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As we seek each other's help and
resolve, to build on our hopes for
the future in which the tragedy that
struck Grenfell Tower will never
Tonight, an emotional service
at St Paul's to remember
Grenfell six months on.
We'll speak to one of those
who escaped the blaze that night.
And we spend time at a school
in the shadow of the tower
to find out how staff
and students are coping.
I've had children during my PE
"Oh, look, that's
where my bedroom was".
It's in their view at playtime.
The one time that they are meant
to be coming out to play,
there's a juxtaposition there,
because we've got the
tower being a shadow.
We'll ask a leading
child psychologist just
what can be done to help.
A warning about bitcoin
from one of Britain's top
"Don't buy it", he says, "unless
you're prepared to lose your shirt".
If you want to invest in bitcoin, be
prepared to lose all your money,
that would be my serious warning.
And is a white journalist asking
a black journalist for contacts,
quotes or information
simply "good research"?
Or is it the culturally
of intellectual property?
They came to St Paul's Cathedral,
1500 people of all faiths
and none, to remember.
Six months ago, 71 people
died in Grenfell Tower,
an event that shocked so many not
simply because of the horror
but because of what it revealed
about how many people live
today in this rich country,
seemingly out of sight and out
of hearing of so many of us.
Joined by members of the royal
family and the Prime Minister,
survivors and the family and friends
of those who died honoured loved
ones and gave thanks
to the emergency services
who risked their lives
on that fateful June night.
We pray for those who have
offered their support,
for all who sustain us
with their care and friendship.
So now, together, we
remember and reflect.
# Insha Allah, insha Allah
# You'll find your way.#
For a moment, we all lost
our fear of each other.
We lost our obsession
with ourselves, and we reached out
across the city in love
for our neighbour.
# Every time you take one look
# You then remember that
they're really gone.#
With me now is Mohammed Rasoul
who escaped from the fifth floor
of Grenfell tower with his wife,
father and two young children.
He was at the service today.
Thanks very much for joining us. A
difficult day, I am sure, but maybe
uplifting in some senses.
definitely. It was a very emotional
day but at the same time deeply
meaningful. It was a day we came
together as a local community and as
a nation, to remember those we lost
in that tragic fire, who were
victims of a gross injustice. To see
people turn up today from our local
community, all around the country,
our country's leaders, it was deeply
significant. And to have it in such
an iconic national landmark, to me,
shows that when that fire happened
and those people lost their lives,
innocent people lost their lives,
men, women and children, that the
country felt our pain and felt the
pain of everyone who was bereaved,
and felt the pain of the survivors
and the whole community.
obviously been a lot of mistrust. Do
you feel that an event like today
helped start to build some trust
between the different groups? The
Prime Minister was there,
representatives of those in
authority. Is there a way of this
being at least part of some of the
healing process and building some
Well, we are hopeful of that,
but there is still a long way to go.
You still have four out of five
families, survivors, still not
re-homed. You have some people that
arboretum that are still waiting to
bury their loved ones. But we are
hopeful -- some people that are
bereaved are still waiting to bury
their loved ones. But we are hopeful
that the Prime Minister and others
will listen to our concerns and
amend the mistakes of the
establishment, the system that
failed those people and caused them
to die. There is a petition going on
at the moment which was presented to
the Prime Minister, and we are
optimistic that she will consider
and pay attention to the voices of
the bereaved and survivors, and
allow their to be a panel of experts
alongside the judge that will report
back to her.
What is your situation?
I know you have been rehoused in a
hotel and moved at least once. Where
are you living now?
In a family with
-- in a hotel with my family, my
86-year-old father, the oldest
surviving resident, my wife and two
children. My son is five and a half,
and my daughter just turned two at
the beginning of this month. She has
spent a court of her life in hotels.
What do you feel about the fact that
you are still in a hotel six months
I try not to think about it. If
I let concepts like that... If I
internalised it too much, I believe
I will break down. I just get on
with my daily life. I go off to
work, soldier on. My family and my
wife is a big support in that.
have touched on the enquiry, do you
think it is moving quickly enough,
and do you think it will ultimately
answer all the questions you have?
think it is early days but we are
hopeful. I think our community
recovered from what happened, and
because of the neglect we were shown
before the fire, the blatant
disregard and indifference from the
council's side to residents concerns
about health and say the, to the
refurbishment, the community and
people lost a lot of faith in the
justice system. But it's never too
late to build bridges, and it's
never too late for myself or anyone
from the community to be proven
wrong. I am hopeful that, I try to
be optimistic. And today was a day
of immensely deep sadness, but with
everything that has gone on in the
last six months, the public response
has been amazing and deeply moving
at times. We have witnessed beauty
that has moved us to tears, people
from all around the country,
different backgrounds, different
ethnicities, with their differences,
coming to help us and transcending
their differences and coming to help
us and offer us clothes and food and
opening up their hearts and their
homes to us. That has renewed my
confidence in humanity. So for me,
there is a lot of hope there, a lot
Thank you so much for
coming and sharing your thoughts.
Hopefully that hope will be
rewarded. Thank you very much.
On the morning of the tragedy,
Oxford Gardens Primary School, just
half a mile from Grenfell Tower,
opened its gates not
knowing what to expect.
The school wanted to offer sanctuary
to children who might
have lost everything.
It later emerged that a third
of the children at the school had
witnessed the fire or been
evacuated, some had lost
friends or relatives
or knew people in hospital.
And, though it couldn't be
officially confirmed for weeks, one
of the school's own eight-year-old
pupils died that night
with his family.
For the last six months,
staff have been much more
than everyday teachers.
They've had to counsel children
through their grief,
while also dealing with their own.
And all in the shadow
of the burnt out shell
that is all that is left of Grenfell
Last week, Newsnight spent time
at Oxford Gardens Primary School.
I am from this community, I am born
and bred from this community.
It is a very warm community,
it is a very diverse community.
I love the energy,
I love the enthusiasm.
It is a little different
from most areas.
We have got politicians living
right beside immigrants,
David Cameron lives across the road
for example, so such
a melting pot of different
personalities and cultures.
I definitely think that this school
is a microscopic look at the larger
community that we are surrounded by.
At 6am I made a phone call
to my headteacher to say it looks
like there is a very serious
incident on our doorsteps.
They never teach you how to deal
with these things and I just
remember just looking at it and not
believing what I was seeing at all.
I have never seen so much stuff
all over the school.
These grounds, all the three
playgrounds, they were just
Black ash, chunks of it.
And I just thought, how
are we going to clear this up?
My first thoughts were with my
friends that were in the tower
and then it dawned on me
the children that we
teach at school.
We decided that we wanted to open.
We knew that this terrible,
terrible, tragic disaster had
happened and we wanted to make sure
that the school was a safe place
for children to come
if they were able to.
We were very aware that we would
have a lot of children
who would not be able to come.
This was done after we found out
Mehdi had passed away.
Some children wanted to say goodbye,
other children just wanted to write
as though he was still here.
We had lost somebody,
he was a member of our class
who was there all year,
he was a beautiful, lovely boy.
He was there one day
and he was gone the next.
Having to explain to a class
of children that somebody has died
and in quite a horrific way was very
sad and quite traumatic.
There is a sense of shock
and disbelief, there is a sense
of anger and outrage.
There is the loss, the anxiety.
You cannot underestimate
the enormity, I think,
for a child to go to sleep and come
in the next day and a whole
family has been wiped out.
I would say it has been very
At times I felt like a counsellor,
not just a teacher.
I have had to drop particular
sessions to talk about how
they are feeling, how we should deal
with our emotions.
Some of the questions they had
were truly horrific.
How could this happen?
Why has it happened?
How did some people
get out and he didn't?
Really tricky questions and I don't
have all the answers.
I have had children during my PE
lesson saying, "Look,
that is where my bedroom was."
It is in their view at playtime.
The one time they come out to play
there is a juxtaposition
there because we have got the tower
and we are in the shadow.
Move your feet quickly.
We have had children saying
they wished they were in
the tower rather than Mehdi.
And when a child says that
to you what can you say?
Do you know what you are
going to do tomorrow?
I knew you would be happy.
There are lots of different
ways that children want
to share their story.
I have had children who want to draw
the tower again and again and again.
What they saw that night,
what they felt that night.
I have got children who wanted
to make the tower, I have got
children who wanted to decorate
the tower with beautiful stars
and to shroud it in something lovely
because it is so ugly for them
at the moment.
I have had people wanting to be
firefighters and save
the people in the tower.
Everybody's story is so different
and everybody needs a different
kind of way through.
What shall we put there?
It is a huge thing to take
in for an adult, let alone a child,
but I do feel like they have been
amazing at handling it.
They have given me strength
because they have just been
so honest and they have
just been themselves.
Morning, boys, morning.
Six months on it is still
fresh because families
still talk about it.
There are still some
who haven't been re-homed yet,
they are still in hotels.
Cabs every day coming to school.
I never imagined that when Christmas
came we would still have
families who were displaced.
We had no idea that it was going
to really impact for this long.
We have a lot of children in this
year group who were not only
there and saw it but were evacuated
and are still in
That is just a constant reminder
of what has happened to them.
Their routine has been
spoiled for six months.
In counselling what we want to do
first of all is make sure that
people's basic needs are met,
so to try and work with their
well-being and emotional health
when they still don't have a home
I think is really hard.
It is only natural that people
want to understand why it happened.
Why in 2017 a modern tower block can
burn from bottom to top.
It has been the most traumatic event
that our community has had to deal
with and it is really
just relief now.
For us it is about bringing
our community back,
uplifting people's spirits,
and we owe that to the
families that we lost.
The things that they have written
in here really show how
they are feeling about it.
It makes you remember that, well,
not that we don't already know it,
but we have got a long way to go,
we know that.
And we will get there.
Through all this terrible mess
and all this sadness we are looking
at how strong we are now.
People have stood together
and people have united
and that is how we move forward.
We all share this grief
and it is a little bit
like losing a family member.
I think it is hard for people to
understand that you were with them
9 to 3:30 every day.
He was a beautiful member
of our class and we do miss him,
we miss him every day, we do.
We should not be saying goodbye
because he should still be here.
Oxford Gardens school,
six months on.
And our thanks to their staff
and students for helping us make
that piece by Sara Moralioglu
and Katie Razzall.
Well, dealing with a community-wide
emergency of this scale demands
a huge amount of those involved.
With me now is Laverne Antrobus,
a child psychologist
from the Tavistock Clinic
who offered support to some
of the first people to respond
to events that night.
Thank you very much for joining us.
What is remarkable that comes out
from the film we have just seen that
teachers changed literally overnight
from worrying about the everyday
things they are teaching like maths
and PE kits who suddenly caring
about the emotional well-being of
the children they were looking after
and teaching. What kind of advice do
you give to people in that type of
As you say it was very
complicated. It was unprecedented
and it was an event nobody could
imagine happening. What the teachers
were saying was they had to change,
they had to start responding to the
needs of the children and I think
that is exactly what you would want.
Children have lots of questions but
I think as adults we can imagine
that we have got to give them much
more information than they are
seeking. It sounds to me as if the
teachers in the school were able to
take their time, slow things down.
We know clear facts about what has
happened, so there are some things
children are able to answer
themselves, but I am never so sure
we need to go into a huge amount of
detail. We need to listen to primary
age children to hear what they think
about what has happened, but also to
build on that.
It must be true that
children react in different ways and
you are teaching may be 25 children
in a class and some children may be
do not want to talk about it, they
want to escape a bit, some children
wanted to draw the tower every day.
How do you help each child with
their different responses? Some may
be want to hide away and others want
to really engage.
It really is about
watching. The curious thing about
young people is they are very
watchful themselves and they are
looking to see what the adults are
making of their behaviours and
emotional states. Children find it
important to draw and talk about the
things they would like to do when
they are older because that would
help them think about looking after
people. Those are important things.
I thought it was interesting that
the teacher acknowledged that
teachers spend most of their time
with these young people, more than
parents sometimes, and being aware
of the difficulties they find
themselves in is important, but also
keeping things going is also
It is a huge
relief for a lot of children who do
not find themselves in the same
situation, we are going to do our
English lesson today, that gives me
structure and comfort. It would be
quite comforting in and of itself.
What is striking, and this is not
true of all tragedies, is that the
tower is there, very much a monument
as to what has happened, a reminder,
what difficulties can that create
when you are everyday literally
walking to school or playing in the
playground as the teacher said? It
is standing there are always
It becomes part of
the community presence. I imagine
for some children there are moments
when they forget about what has
happened for a little bit, but
suddenly the reminder is there. That
is quite tricky. How do you go on?
How do you live your life and move
on and have hope as we heard in that
film? That things can change and
feel a bit better? But also that the
community can feel a bit better. I
am sure a lot of the children are
responsive to the fact that the
community must feel very sad. How do
you go about your ordinary, everyday
business and be happy in the
playground and play games with your
best friend and suddenly be reminded
that something truly terrible
happened? I think it is a really
difficult time for a lot of people,
but you have got to keep sight of
the fact that life does move forward
and children should be allowed to
catch themselves being a little bit
happy and hopeful.
Thank you for
Thank you for coming in.
The Prime Minister, Theresa May,
arrived in Brussels this afternoon
for yet another crucial summit,
where she's hoping that the other 27
countries of the EU will decide
to move forward to those
all-important trade talks.
She admitted she was disappointed
by last night's House
of Commons defeat, but insisted
that the necessary legislation
is making "good progress".
Our Political Editor,
Nick Watt, is there.
Nick, how was the atmosphere today
with the EU 27? A little bit chilly
over there there are lots of warm
We had a rare sight this
evening over dinner with a 28
leaders including Theresa May which
was a UK Prime Minister being
praised by fellow EU leaders. I have
covered more of these summits than I
care to remember and I cannot think
of a president of having a UK Prime
Minister being praised like that.
Tony Blair, the most pro-EU Prime
Minister since Ted Heath, had
stand-up rows with Jacques Chirac
and Gerhard Schroeder. What is going
on? The EU are impressed with
Theresa May's message which is she
was an orderly Brexit, it is a
difficult journey, but she praised
EU leaders for working with her. The
other message was she wants in the
future for the UK and the EU to be
close friends and allies. But these
EU leaders are also making a raw
calculation. They believe Theresa
May is gritty, they quite respect
her and they think she would be far
better than the alternative and that
alternative they believed would be
Boris Johnson. Another point is the
vote in parliament last night and
they have knowledge that and they
have said we are negotiating with
you, Prime Minister, and not your
Any more news on the
timetable about the all-important
transition phase or implementation
phase, whatever we call it, and the
trade talks themselves? The really
Well, Theresa May
made clear this evening she would
very much like to move onto the next
stage and particular urgency on
transitional arrangements as the EU
calls them. The problem for her is
the draft Council conclusions are
saying in the two-year period the
entire body of EU law would apply to
the UK and any new regulations
introduced, they were also applied
to the UK and the UK would not have
any votes. That crosses a Boris
Johnson red line. On the future
trade arrangements there will be
guidelines published tomorrow and
the UK is very hopeful that they
will be quite vague and that will
give the Prime Minister Time to talk
to a cabinet next week, to talk
about the future, and not have her
padlocks into a definitive EU
position on that just yet.
Watt, thank you very much. It is the
gift that does not seem to stop
giving. Bitcoin is a so-called
currency created by Bocelli, we are
not quite sure who. A year ago one
bitcoin was worth a measly £5.80.
Then it rose up and suddenly in the
last few months it's spiked up to
£12,400, something of a one-way bet
one might think, despite its extreme
volatility and links to the criminal
underworld. And this week more mania
as people who want to speculate on
the future value were allowed to do
so on the first regulated platform
in Chicago. I spoke to the chief
executive of the Chicago board
options exchange and asked him if
this was another gamble.
options exchange and asked him
if this was another gamble.
We're not endorsing bitcoin
but what we wanted to do was bring
transparency to a commodity
where there was interest.
And your only choice before
we launched on Sunday
was to represent that interest
on a crypto exchange
somewhere around the globe,
one without the oversight that
we're used to.
from Ed Tilly there.
But on this side of the Atlantic
tonight, a warning,
and a pretty strong one.
I spoke to Andrew Bailey,
Chief Executive of the
Financial Conduct Authority,
an important regulator.
I asked him how concerned
he is about bitcoin's
meteoric rise in value.
It's actually not regulated by us
in its bitcoin form.
Where we come in is where there
are instruments that
are referenced to bitcoin.
It's a very volatile commodity
in terms of its pricing,
if you look at what's
happened this year.
And I would caution to people,
we know relatively little
about what, in a sense,
forms the price of bitcoin.
It's an odd commodity as well
because the eventual
supply is fixed.
If you want to invest in bitcoin,
be prepared to lose all your money.
That would be my serious warning.
What evidence do you have
at the FCA about who is
actually buying bitcoin?
We don't regulate bitcoin, as such.
Isn't that the problem, Mr Bailey,
that you don't regulate?
The technology is ahead of you.
Well, I'll come back to that.
I think the decision
on what we regulate is appropriately
for government and Parliament.
And we don't regulate commodities.
We regulate instruments that
are referenced to commodities.
So if you buy a future or an option,
then we do come into the picture.
But we don't regulate
commodities per se.
And that's clear.
It would be for Parliament,
ultimately, to make that choice
if it wished to do so.
I don't press for that, providing
people understand very clearly this
is a very volatile commodity.
What evidence do you have,
or do you have any intelligence,
on who actually is buying bitcoin
itself, rather than the instruments
referenced to bitcoin?
Well, we have no evidence, as such,
because one of the features
of bitcoin is the anonymity
of who the recorded owners are.
And that emanates from
the technology that supports it.
You can't go somewhere and look up
the record of who owns bitcoin.
The fact that it's called
a currency, the fact
that there are ATMs,
do you think that people actually
realise that they are not investing
in something like the pound
or the dollar?
Well, I think there's
a risk to that.
You're right that by adopting
the name crypto currency,
there is a risk that some people
regard it as the same
as what in an economist's world
you call a fiat currency.
A fiat currency
is backed by a state.
That's what keeps the value,
preserves the value
of fiat currency,
through the actions
central banks take.
Bitcoin is not that.
It's a commodity,
it's not a currency.
Would it make your regulating
of financial stability,
protecting consumers, easier,
if you had more powers in this area?
I don't think bitcoin is prevalent
enough at the moment to be
a systemic threat in the way that
we've experienced obviously
during the financial
crisis other threats.
It needs watching carefully, but I
don't think it's at that point.
If I thought there was evidence that
people are saying,
"You know what I'm going to put my
pension into, Bitcoin",
I would be very concerned.
Now, we don't see
that at the moment.
Maybe it's part of the big
portfolio, but again, if it is,
it should be done by people who say,
"I don't mind losing all the value
of that piece".
Some people might say the technology
is leaving the regulators behind,
that you're racing to catch up
and you simply don't understand how
that market working.
So there's a whole new technology
which is really about the bitcoin
production and sort
of maintenance process.
Yeah, I mean they are mined.
My understanding is I think
21 million can ever be mined,
and I think possibly something
like 17 odd million have been mined.
So that makes it unusual.
And we'd like to understand that,
so that if it does begin to get
widely used, we've got greater
familiarity with it.
Andrew Bailey, thank you very much.
Thank you, Kamal.
For weeks, the United Nations has
been calling on the Syrian
government to allow those urgently
in need of medical help to leave
the besieged, rebel-held,
strategically important enclave
of Eastern Ghouta near Damascus.
More than 100 of those needing
evacuation are children.
But so far those calls have fallen
on deaf ears and some of those
waiting to leave have now died.
Newsnight has been reporting
on the situation in Eastern Ghouta,
which is growing worse by the day.
Here's Mike Thomson,
and a warning there are distressing
pictures in his piece.
After four years of siege
Eastern Ghouta's health care system
is close to collapse.
And it's the young,
like eight-year-old Rowan,
who are suffering the most.
She was born
as a perfectly healthy
child who could walk.
Suddenly, she complained of eye pain
and we rushed her to the doctor.
Doctors took biopsies from her head
and then she fell ill.
Now she's completely paralysed.
Little Rowan has kidney failure,
and cirrhosis of the liver.
Like nearly 12% of other
children here she also has
Yet treatment is out of reach.
The road was blocked
and I could no longer
provide her with any medical help.
It all stopped.
Her medical condition
is constantly deteriorating
and she's going from bad to worse.
Starved of medicines and equipment
doctors in Eastern Ghouta can't
treat complex cases.
Yet such care is available,
just a stone's throw away.
15 people have died and more
are dying on a daily basis.
People have tumours,
heart deformities and others
Their lives could have been saved
had they been given medical help.
We only ask for safe passage
to treat them in Damascus,
which is only a few miles away.
Rama has a very serious condition -
she's unlikely to survive for much
longer but if we had more medical
supplies, drips and pain
killers, we could at least
alleviate her pain.
Four year-old Rama has
cancer of the throat.
Her desperate mother
knows that evacuation
is her daughter's only hope.
Yet the Syrian government
still refuses to allow it.
with all humanitarian organisations
and the entire world,
and anyone who's listening
to us for help.
Help Rama by either allowing us
safe passage to Damascus
or by letting medical aid in.
Some in Eastern Ghouta blame
the outside world for not putting
enough pressure on the Syrian
government, saying organisations
like the UN are more talk
than action, an allegation
that the UN children's charity,
UNICEF, strongly refutes.
We are lobbying very heavily
on the ground on all sides.
We talk to all parties
in order to get access, and
we are preparing.
We have the materials
there, in order to be to
get in and to get
these children out.
But unless we are given
humanitarian access, unless all
sides give us a corridor,
it's going to very difficult for us.
The lives of 137 severely
injured or ill children,
as well as more than 400 adults,
continue to hang in the balance
as they wait, so far
in vain, for evacuation.
And as the bombardments continue,
their numbers look likely to grow.
12-year-old Mukdeen was leaving his
school when a mortar struck,
throwing him to the ground.
Several of his friends were killed
and many more injured.
Young Galeb survived, but only just.
Today's peace talks in Geneva
haven't helped morale.
They ended in failure.
Leaving the lives of those
urgently needing evacuation
in continuing, agonising limbo.
Yesterday an Evening Standard
journalist contacted gal-dem,
an online magazine for black
and Asian women, to ask for help
on writing an article about how
to have a "woke" Christmas.
The word "woke" originates
from African American
and the Oxford English Dictionary
defines it as "alert
to racial or social
discrimination and injustice".
The magazine called
the Evening Standard's request
"a classic case of women of colour
being asked to provide their input
and knowledge for free".
But does this argument mean
journalists should be stopped
from asking questions from specific
groups of people?
And should any form of knowledge be
considered intellectual property
that one group owns?
Joining me now are
deputy editor of gal-dem,
and Kenan Malik, contributing
opinion editor at the
International New York Times.
Welcome, both of you. What brought
the response when the e-mail arrived
from the Evening Standard journalist
asking about, he wanted to write
about a woke Christmas? What sparked
The context is that
gal-dem is an online and print
magazine which is hoping to
challenge the homogenous white media
landscape, because we think it's
important that lots of different
voices and narratives are heard. The
problem with the e-mail is that for
the editor in chief, it was a
tipping point for her. We get asked
to do things like this all the time,
and people use us in a very
tokenistic way, as a voice of
diversity. And I think she just had
enough, really. And she was upset
with the fact that instead of
leading the narrative, we were just
being commentators. We want to be
the people running the show, running
things like Newsnight in future.
are quite welcome to do that! Wasn't
he just a journalist trying to find
things out, which is what
Yes, I appreciate
that, but I think you have to look
at the context in which he was
finding it out. This is a white male
journalist writing about a topic he
is not comfortable on. I don't know
whether he challenged his editors on
whether or not he should be writing
the piece, but a lot of the time
people don't. It's important to
remember sometimes that a writer
from gal-dem might be better writing
on a specific topic than the
features writer at the Evening
We throw around the words
cultural appropriation. Is a
journalist asking for help from a
group of people to write about it
himself, if he is not of that group,
is that cultural appropriation?
And I am not sure that Charlie is
saying that. We all get these kind
of requests, journalists who want to
use your knowledge for their ends.
Sometimes it is a genuine request
for information, sometimes lazy
journalism from people who can't be
bothered to do the research
themselves. It's not necessarily a
racial thing. I had a senior BBC
News journalist, non-white, I will
not say more than that, whose
researcher phoned me and said he is
writing a book about
multiculturalism and once a chapter
about Bradford. He doesn't know much
about the place. Can I interview you
to get information? So it is not a
racial or a cultural issue, it's a
question of lazy journalism,
sometimes unethical journalism.
is cultural appropriation? Is there
an issue there, which maybe this was
not a reflection of, with people
writing about groups they are not
I think the problem is to see
some of these issues as cultural
appropriation is usually defined as
the use of cultural forms from other
cultures without permission. I think
that is problematic the two reasons.
One, because there is no such as
cultural ownership. None of us has
ownership of particular cultural
forms. The second question is, who
gives permission, who is it that
licenses someone from one culture to
use in whatever way cultural forms
from another culture? So the notion
of cultural appropriation is
You wrote in the
Guardian that white people should
leave writing about issues of being
woke to black people. Is there a way
that non-lack or Asian journalists
can write about issues that are
about black and Asian people?
think that might have been the
headline, which I didn't write,
actually. I trust that a lot of
journalists out there do their
research and are well versed in
issues around being woke and other
things. In this specific incident,
this journalist did not feel
comfortable writing on this topic
and so should not have been doing
it, or else why did he reach out to
us in the way that he did?
the gatekeepers of a group's
identity and who can write about it?
People who license themselves to be
gatekeepers, who licensed themselves
to say that certain things are
allowed and certain cultural forms
can be used in certain ways by other
people. It is deeply problematic.
Certain people license themselves to
be the arbiter of the good use of
cultural forms. They then get the
power. What is being appropriated is
not culture but their rights to
police cultural forms.
That's all for this evening.
Kirsty's here tomorrow.
But before we go, Charlie Chaplin's
family have written an open letter
asking for London's Cinema Museum
to be saved.
It's in the former Lambeth workhouse
where the great man once lived.
They argue that it was
an inspiration to his genius.
And what genius it was.
Here's his first film appearance
as "the little tramp" in 1914.
MUSIC: The Entertainer
by Scott Joplin