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Fire and fury in America,

as an explosive war of words erupts

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between Donald Trump and his former

soulmate, Steve Bannon.

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Could this be the spat that drives

Trump's electoral base away?

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We'll ask Bannon's right-hand man,

and a woman from Team Trump 2020.

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Another winter, another crisis.

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As the NHS postpones thousands

of routine operations,

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is the system itself

in a critical condition?

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We have been planning

most of the year now

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for the challenges of winter.

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We had a very challenging

winter last year as well.

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And actually, the NHS is better

prepared than it's been

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for very many years.

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As violence escalates in yet another

of Syria's so-called

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"de-escalation zones",

we'll hear from inside Idlib,

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the last rebel-held

province in the county.

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And is there a way of making

the cinema work better

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for those with dementia?

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We speak to the actress

Carey Mulligan.

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Yeah, I do fear it, and I think

we all should fear it, you know.

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And I think that's

what we need to, er...

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We need to turn that fear

into action, you know,

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this is a global issue.

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One in three people will develop

dementia of some kind.

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Good evening.

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Even for a man as combative

as Donald Trump, today's statement

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left little to the imagination.

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He denounced his former

White House Strategist,

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Steve Bannon, as a man who had

lost his mind, who had nothing to do

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with Trump or his presidency.

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The President may be

playing with fire.

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Steve Bannon knows things

about him very few others do,

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and he has a powerful base

on the right in which to relay them.

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The statement came from

the President after the release

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of extracts from a new book -

'Fire and Fury', by Michael Wolff.

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In it, Bannon describes a meeting

between Donald Trump Junior

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and a Russian lawyer during the 2016

campaign as treasonous

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and unpatriotic.

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It looks and sounds like an ordinary

Trump spat, but it raises questions

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of whom the Republican base now see

as their leader.

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And this in a midterm election year.

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The relationship between

Donald Trump and Steve Bannon is one

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of the most curious in modern

America.

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If Donald Trump made

winning the presidency look

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easy, Steve Bannon -

some will tell you -

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was the strategic brain

behind the campaign.

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He was also the ideological rump

of Trump's 'Make America

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Great Again' strategy,

introducing him to those

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on the right who would become

a proud and vocal base

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amongst his supporters.

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Like many of Trump's advisers,

he didn't last the course

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of the transition to power.

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If Bannon was the one person who,

rumour had it, was allowed

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in the Oval Office without a tie,

he was nevertheless

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unceremoniously fired from his job

in the White House last autumn.

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But anyone who thought Bannon

would go quietly couldn't have been

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further from the truth.

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He backed Roy Moore

for the Alabama Senate race last

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December and is encouraging

hard-right candidates to take

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on sitting Republican senators

in almost every seat that's up

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for the mid-term elections this

November - part of what he sees

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as his broader populist war

against the Republican

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establishment.

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Bannon remains a powerful

force in the alt-right

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news site Breitbart,

which could yet turn its editorial

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power against the President.

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The bigger question

this schism raises is,

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what happens now to the base?

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Do they stick loyally

with their leader, Trump himself,

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or realign with the ideology that

brought them to him in the first

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place, the now free agent

that is Steve Bannon?

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The spectacular breakdown

of communications between the two

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men was inevitably the focus

of questions at the daily White

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House press briefing this evening.

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Here's Press Secretary Sarah

Elizabeth Huckabee Sanders

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responding to a question

about whether Donald Trump Junior

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had committed treason.

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Er, I think that is a ridiculous

accusation and one that I'm pretty

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sure we've addressed many times

from here before.

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And if that's in reference

to comments made by Mr Bannon,

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I'd refer you back to the ones

that he made previously on 60

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Minutes, where he called

the collusion with Russia about this

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President a "total farce".

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So I think I would

look back at that.

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If anybody's been

inconsistent, it's been him.

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It certainly hasn't

been the President,

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or this administration.

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It's been reported that he was

furious when these reports first

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came out about what Bannon

was quoted as saying.

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Is that an accurate depiction?

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Er, I think, erm, furious,

disgusted would probably certainly

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fit when you make such outrageous

claims and completely false claims

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against the President,

er, his administration.

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So what's going on here,

and where does this

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leave the President?

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Raheem Kassam is a close advisor

to Steve Bannon and the UK Editor

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of his Breitbart news.

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Mica Mosbacher is a campaigner

for President Trump who works

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on the Trump 2020 Advisory

Committee.

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First of all, Raheem, take is inside

Steve Bannon's mind. You know him

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well, does Bannon really believe

that Don Junior's meeting with a

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Russia -- Russian lawyer was

treasonous?

I think when you look at

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how this book was written, really

how any book like this is written,

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the author will have posed certain

questions to the interview subjects.

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The interview subject will give

answers and some of those questions

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are hypothetical. For instance, with

a context such as, if this was

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discussed in that meeting at this

time and it went on to do this, does

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it mean it is treasonous and what

have you? And people will give

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honest answers to those things. I

think that is what happened here, I

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am not sure you're getting the

entire context of the conversation.

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But I will say this, Steve Bannon

was in the Pentagon during the

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Reagan administration, he is a naval

officer, he understands what the

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Russian threat really is. Outside of

the sort of media obsession over how

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many Facebook adverts they took out

and so on. He understands the Geo

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political threat and he takes that

very seriously. So when he remarks

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that these people should not

probably have been in Trump Tower

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taking meetings with campaign,

senior campaign staff without

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lawyers in the room, Edwards said

that that I would say that is a bad

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thing to say.

Did he say that the

Trump and his son?

I wasn't privy to

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what was going on in John Tower at

the time, I don't know who learned

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what, when -- Trump Tower. I cannot

imagine he would stay silent if he

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knew that was going on. But again,

go ahead.

A couple of other things

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that would Korea said which you

might shed some light on although

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you were not with him throughout the

campaign. He said Trump's ultimate

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goal was never to win, was that your

understanding? He calls him

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befuddled and horrified, quoting

Bannon each time.

Yes, I think there

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was a point at which the campaign

advisers had sort of conditioned the

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candidate, Trump, to think and

believe that he was not going to

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win, he did not have a path to

victory. One story that is

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well-known over here is on the

weekend of the Billy Bush tape

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weekend, you had the entire team sat

around in Trump Tower and the

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President, the candidate back then

went around the room saying, what my

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chances? Everybody said, zero, zero,

zero.

Access Hollywood take?

That is

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correct. Bannon said 100% certitude

you are going to win. And the

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President did not believe him.

Candidate Trump did not believe

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Steve at that time. I think the

President has been conditioned

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especially because people were

jumping off the boat. The RNC was

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condemning him, Paul Ryan, Chris

Christie. Everybody was looping off

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the ship. There was any one person

that stood by him and that was Steve

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Bannon.

One more on that line, this

is out in the book, that Trump never

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wanted to finance his own campaign,

that it was Steve Bannon who

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encouraged him to do so and Trump

merely loaned money to it, $10

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million, which he then got straight

back, is that right?

I don't know if

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he got it straight back, I would

imagine nobody really wants to

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finance their own campaign. Going

into situations where Steve Bannon

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during the campaign, they would

double digits down in the battle

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ground states. They knew that they

need to spend money, well that, from

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fastest? Going round the country

doing big meetings or asking the

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candidate to put his hands and his

deep pockets and stump the money up

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himself? I think that is privately

reasonable. And it is also

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reasonable way you might not want to

do that as a candidate if you been

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convinced by so many people around

you you are onto a loser. The good

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thing is, he was convinced to do it,

he did spend the money comes Steve

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did work on the campaign and they

did when!

Thank you for being so

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patient, Mica. I want to to the

bottom" from Steve Bannon. What you

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make of some of these quotes that

Trump never wanted to win, that he

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was horrified when he did. That

Bannon called it broke dipped

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campaign. This man never thought he

could be the President.

I disagree

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totally. First of all, anointing

Steve Bannon at the King's make it

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is a gross over exaggeration. If

anything, Trump won because he

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outperformed and outworked 17

candidates. He did over 200 -- 250

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rallies and I have been part of by

political campaigns and most

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candidates are very scripted and

kept in a bubble. Taiwan has some of

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the best political instincts I have

ever seen. He was off script. --

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President Trump has some of the

best. Like all campaigns, they're

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what advisers that came and went and

they had certain roles at certain

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times. Trump would not have one

without Steve Bannon, absolutely.

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You are on the 2020 campaign and

before that, you have the midterms.

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Are you worried that Bannon and

Breitbart will pit itself against

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Trump now, putting up candidates at

the hard right which may make it

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difficult for him to keep the

Senate?

I don't think Breitbart

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wants to get labelled break news

like CNN. The RNC has raised over

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the $130 million in a nonelection

year and 70% from small donors. That

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tells me the base is sticking with

him. Look at the rally on the Eve of

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the Alabama elections. He had over

thousands of people and several

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waited outside in the rain. Steve

Bannon had broken with the President

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of the Roy Moore because the

President initially supported Luther

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Strange. We were already seeing a

slight braking that relationship.

Do

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you think the base now goes with

Bannon or does stick with Trump?

I

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think it sticks altogether and I

think Mica is mischaracterising

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this. If you look at Steve Bannon

and bright spot news, it is still

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the only new state into the world

and United States that endorses --

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at Breitbart. It only endorses the

agenda, and it does not need to be

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an either or situation. You are

right when Donald Trump is himself

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on the stump, he has the best

political instincts of anybody in

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the best couple of decades, at least

to build that base and get those

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people are voting and to the

rallies. I don't think you need to

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worry about that. Throwing threats

around, calling Breitbart fake news

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if we do not toe the line is silly.

We are not on different sides.

This

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man has accused the President's son

of treason.

And the treason, it is

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outrageous. I agree with Sarah

Huckabee Sanders.

That was not a

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report on Breitbart, that is a

comments made by a private

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individual, it you cannot inflate

the two.

Thank you both very much

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indeed.

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At least 17 hospital

trusts are on the highest

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state of alert tonight,

as well as two ambulance

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services in England.

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NHS doctors, consultants,

emergency practitioners and nurses

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have spoken of the impossible

conditions in which they're

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being asked to work -

some have called it the most intense

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strain in their professional lives.

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We'll hear later from

the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt,

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and Chris Cook is here to help

explain why the service is coming

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under such pressure.

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First, let's hear from those

on the front line themselves.

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When patients have their

appointments or their operation

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cancelled, they may

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come back into the surgery a few

weeks later because their symptoms

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have gone worse so they may be

asking us for additional pain relief

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or some other way of helping them to

manage their symptoms until they are

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rebooked.

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Another thing that we see

is that the hospital administration

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teams are so thinly staffed now that

patients are told they'll receive

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another appointment in the post

and then that may not happen.

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So they quite often have

to try and phone the

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hospital, they leave phone messages,

they may leave two or three phone

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messages, but not have a reply back,

so they come to us to ask us to help

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them reschedule their appointment.

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We are also getting

an increase in winter

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viruses in children,

we are

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just starting to see an increase

in people with flu so there are many

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different ways in which the winter

pressures do affect us in general

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practice.

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It means a complete loss

of dignity for patients.

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I think that is the most

striking thing that

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I have seen.

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Right at this moment there will be

hundreds of patients

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being cared for in corridors.

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That means makeshift

screens being pulled

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around them for them

to try

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and go to the toilet, their results,

the screaming, their pain, tears,

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all being heard by

everyone around them.

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It's just an impossible place

and way to treat patients and look

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after people.

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Mistakes are going to happen.

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People are going to be treated

inadequately and all we can

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do is just say sorry and apologise,

and that's not good enough.

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Between the Christmas

and New Year period,

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during an emergency surgery,

I saw a very elderly lady who I felt

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that we could not manage

in general practice,

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so I felt that she

needed to go to A & E.

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And so instantly the anxiety

within myself starts,

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because the patient maybe doesn't

want to go into A & E, which you can

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understand.

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And you don't want this elderly

person to potentially go

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on their own up to a very

busy A & E department.

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I know they are always

busy and overstretched.

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And then the ongoing

consequence of whether she's

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admitted and the pressure that

adds on to the hospital,

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or whether she is maybe given some

treatment and then

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sent home, but she is home alone,

and therefore is she going to get

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any temporary services

while she recuperates at home?

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So it's one of the dilemmas

we face on a daily

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basis, not just over the winter

periods, where obviously the demand

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increases, but I think

throughout the year.

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When an elective operation

is cancelled it has

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a lot of implications

on

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everyone.

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In a hospital environment,

a person going in for an elective

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operation will probably have

to have a preoperative assessment.

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They will need to have a preplanned

programme if they need to be got fit

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before an operation.

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And so therefore,

cancelling an operation

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means that everything will have

to be repeated, but it also has

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significant impact

on the individual.

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So taking a young person

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for example, who say,

has a scar that needs

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revising, and also has

a

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lot of psycho-social effects related

to that scar, it therefore

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means that they will have to put

their life on hold most probably

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for 1-2 months.

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Because they had planned

for their life to move on

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after they had their operation, and

that has an impact for both young

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and old.

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Just some of those working

with patients in the NHS every day.

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And for transparency we should

mention that alongside his day job

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one of the contributors -

Dr Amar Mashru - has previously

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campaigned against the government

on health matters and is a member

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of the Labour party.

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Now - Chris Cook is our policy

editor, and he has charts to explain

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why the service is under

such a strain now.

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Give us the big picture first of

all?

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The thing to get your head around is

this not about the NHS doing less

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than it used to, it is doing more

than ever yet not keeping up with a

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wave of demand. This graph shows

hospital admissions going back to

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the late to thousands. About 1

million per quarter to about 4

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million per quarter. That's the gap

you can see, a rise of roughly 40%

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since Gordon Brown left office.

Hospitals, and not just hospitals,

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social care systems and GPs, haven't

been able to keep up in recent years

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with this rising tide. They have not

been able to build in the capacity

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they need. And for example, another

graph showing you why, if you look

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at the amount hospital has been

spending in the last four years on

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things like new buildings,

renovating existing buildings and

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new equipment, there have been big

declines in the last four years. 10%

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down on new-builds, 20% down on

improving buildings, 50% down on new

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equipment. We are not putting money

into expanding the pipeline, not in

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hospitals, not in social care, not

in GPs so we can cope with this ever

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rising demand.

When you put it like

this it looks like it is all about

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money. Is it?

Money is a necessary

but not sufficient part of the

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answer to the problems in the NHS.

You must remember that there are

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things like recruitment which have

lead times. We have a problem at the

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moment getting and keeping staff,

not just because of the referendum

0:19:160:19:19

result which means it will be hard

to recruit people from the EU, but

0:19:190:19:22

if you put many, capital into

equipment and all that stuff you

0:19:220:19:26

also have to fund the people to work

on it. You can't just build the kit

0:19:260:19:30

and not stuff it. So you must have

the money in the right places. As

0:19:300:19:35

well. That's the challenge, it means

having lead times.

Thank you Chris.

0:19:350:19:42

Well, earlier, I spoke to

the Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt,

0:19:420:19:45

and asked him if he recognised

a National Health System in crisis.

0:19:450:19:49

I think a crisis is

when you have adverse

0:19:490:19:51

circumstances and you don't

have a plan to deal with those

0:19:510:19:54

challenges, and that's not the case.

0:19:540:19:55

In fact the opposite.

0:19:550:19:56

We have been planning most

of the year now for the challenges

0:19:560:19:59

of winter.

0:19:590:20:02

We had a very challenging

winter last year as well.

0:20:020:20:08

But are there highly challenging

circumstances on the

0:20:080:20:10

front line?

0:20:100:20:11

Absolutely.

0:20:110:20:20

And I think, the thing I'd

like to say is, a very

0:20:200:20:23

very big thank you to all NHS staff.

0:20:230:20:25

Not just from me but from the whole

country because I think we are

0:20:250:20:28

incredibly proud of the efforts they

are going to to keep patients safe,

0:20:280:20:31

working well beyond

the call of duty.

0:20:310:20:33

You are saying a big

thank you to NHS staff.

0:20:330:20:37

They are saying, I will read out

the following, Richard

0:20:370:20:40

Fawcett, senior doctor

in emergency medicine,"

0:20:400:20:41

I personally apologise

to

0:20:410:20:42

the people of Stoke

for the third World conditions."

0:20:420:20:44

Dr Taj Hassan, president

of the Royal College of emergency

0:20:440:20:47

medicine: "We are seeing conditions

people have not experienced in their

0:20:470:20:49

working lives."

0:20:490:20:50

Doctor Nick Scriven,

president of the society of

0:20:500:20:52

acute medicine "The position

is as bad as I have ever known."

0:20:520:20:55

Tracey Bullock, another

one, chief executive,

0:20:550:20:57

Tracey Bullock, another one,

chief executive, mid-

0:20:570:20:58

Cheshire hospitals, who says,

I am 34 years in, and I

0:20:580:21:01

have never seen anything like this.

0:21:010:21:02

Shall I ask that again.

0:21:020:21:04

Is this a crisis?

0:21:040:21:05

Well, as I say, I don't

dispute their experiences.

0:21:050:21:07

It is very, very tough

on the front line.

0:21:070:21:09

But if you just look

at what we are coping with this

0:21:090:21:12

year, compared to one year ago,

around 3000 more

0:21:120:21:14

people going every single day

to our A & E departments...

0:21:140:21:17

You are happy to say

that we planned to

0:21:170:21:24

cancel 55,000 operations

or postpone, you are

0:21:240:21:26

happy to say that that

was part of the plan?

0:21:260:21:28

Let me explain exactly

what the plan was.

0:21:280:21:30

So this time last year,

what we ended up

0:21:300:21:32

doing because we had extreme

pressures, is cancelling a lot of

0:21:320:21:35

operations the day before.

0:21:350:21:36

But just because you're

not cancelling them

0:21:360:21:40

with 24 hours' notice doesn't mean

that this is a step in the right

0:21:400:21:44

direction, this means

you have a systemic crisis,

0:21:440:21:46

you have a massive chronic gap

between your needs and

0:21:460:21:48

your resources.

0:21:480:21:49

You recognise that, don't you?

0:21:490:21:53

Well I think there is a resources

issue, which we can talk

0:21:530:21:57

about, but it is really important

to recognise that this time of year,

0:21:570:22:03

creates pressures in health

systems all over the world.

0:22:030:22:05

So they had a terrible

winter in Australia.

0:22:050:22:07

Which was our summer...

0:22:070:22:08

But it's not just about this

time of year, Health

0:22:080:22:10

Secretary.

0:22:100:22:12

Three years ago as you know,

in October 2014 200,000 people

0:22:120:22:20

were in that group category waiting

more than 18 weeks for

0:22:200:22:23

treatment.

0:22:230:22:24

You will know well that by the end

of last year, that number

0:22:240:22:27

had doubled, 400,000 people.

0:22:270:22:28

So this is not something

that just happens

0:22:280:22:30

over Christmas or over winter.

0:22:300:22:31

This is the direction

the NHS is heading

0:22:310:22:33

in.

0:22:330:22:34

Well, let's look at

the longer-term performance.

0:22:340:22:36

Because in the five

years that I have been

0:22:360:22:41

Health Secretary, we have an NHS

that is doing 5,000 more operations

0:22:410:22:44

every single day.

0:22:440:22:45

The accident and emergency

departments in our country

0:22:450:22:52

are seeing 2,000 more people every

single day within the four-hour

0:22:520:22:55

target.

0:22:550:22:56

We have more doctors, or nurses,

and an independent report

0:22:560:22:58

published in the middle of last year

said that in most major disease

0:22:580:23:04

categories outcomes have

dramatically improved.

0:23:040:23:05

You were hitting your A & E

targets in July of 2015.

0:23:050:23:08

95% of patients dealt

with within four

0:23:080:23:09

hours.

0:23:090:23:11

You haven't met that

target since 2015.

0:23:110:23:12

Is that wrong?

0:23:120:23:13

No, that is correct.

0:23:130:23:14

But that is not the entire measure

of the performance of

0:23:140:23:22

the healthcare system...

0:23:220:23:23

Does the target not matter,

tell me if these targets

0:23:230:23:26

are out of date and we

can get rid of them.

0:23:260:23:28

Of course it matters but in that

period there are 7000 people

0:23:280:23:31

alive today who would not be alive

if we had had the cancer survival

0:23:310:23:34

rates of 2012.

0:23:340:23:36

You set these targets

and you are missing them.

0:23:360:23:40

If that's the last

time you reached the

0:23:400:23:42

target which was July 2015,

where are we now with that?

0:23:420:23:45

Well I will tell you

exactly where we are.

0:23:450:23:49

We are treating more people

than we ever have in our history

0:23:490:23:53

within the four-hour target.

0:23:530:23:55

But with the 95%, because you used

to publish this on

0:23:550:23:58

a weekly basis and now

we don't see it.

0:23:580:24:00

You will know that figure.

0:24:000:24:06

What is that figure

now as a percentage.

0:24:060:24:08

No, we published it

on a monthly basis.

0:24:080:24:10

But let's just look

at the last published data.

0:24:100:24:12

Next week we will

have the data for the

0:24:120:24:15

whole of December but if you

look at the November

0:24:150:24:17

data let's just look

at

0:24:170:24:18

specifically the issue

you raise of A & E.

0:24:180:24:20

The data from November shows that

every day in fact the number of

0:24:200:24:24

people we are treating compared

to seven years earlier is 5000 more,

0:24:240:24:26

within the four-hour target.

0:24:260:24:27

It also shows that

more than half the

0:24:270:24:29

hospitals in the NHS are performing

better on A & E than one year

0:24:290:24:33

previously.

0:24:330:24:34

It also shows...

0:24:340:24:36

Those numbers don't

match, I'm just asking

0:24:360:24:37

you for a percentage so we can let

the public understand how they

0:24:370:24:41

compare.

0:24:410:24:44

Why won't you tell me

what the percentage is?

0:24:440:24:47

And is not my target,

it is your target.

0:24:470:24:50

Because we don't have

a number to publish.

0:24:500:24:56

There is no number that

I'm sitting on but

0:24:560:24:58

I'm not telling you, as you know

what happens is the data is

0:24:580:25:01

collected across the system once

a month, and that data is then

0:25:010:25:04

validated and it will be published

next week and I don't know what that

0:25:040:25:07

number will be, just

as you don't know.

0:25:070:25:09

So are you happy for me to tell

these people, whether it is

0:25:090:25:12

Richard Fawcett, Taj Hassan,

Nick Scriven, Tracey Bullock, chief

0:25:120:25:15

executives, experts in their field,

that everything is going according

0:25:150:25:17

to plan?

0:25:170:25:18

That you are reaching targets,

that there isn't a crisis,

0:25:180:25:20

that there is no systemic

problem with the way

0:25:200:25:22

the NHS is funded or

is

0:25:220:25:24

working right now?

0:25:240:25:25

Can you tell that

to front line staff?

0:25:250:25:27

You're putting words into my mouth.

0:25:270:25:28

I'm asking you a question.

0:25:280:25:30

Well you are putting

words into my mouth.

0:25:300:25:32

What I am telling you

is, there is extreme

0:25:320:25:34

pressure on the front line.

0:25:340:25:35

We are incredibly

grateful for the hard

0:25:350:25:37

work that those doctors and nurses

and many other people are doing.

0:25:370:25:39

And you are asking

for that money from

0:25:390:25:41

the Prime Minister,

from the Chancellor, are you?

0:25:410:25:43

I am asking for money

and I've been given money.

0:25:430:25:46

That is why in the last budget I got

an extra £2.8 billion.

0:25:460:25:49

We are going to need more

money going forward of

0:25:490:25:51

course, but let me say this.

0:25:510:25:53

It isn't just about money.

0:25:530:25:54

It's also about manpower.

0:25:540:25:55

You won't have the manpower

if people think that they

0:25:550:25:57

are in a crisis and they are not

able to work in the conditions that

0:25:570:26:01

they are being given.

0:26:010:26:02

Well I'll tell you how we get

the manpower, Emily,

0:26:020:26:04

we get the manpower by training

more doctors and nurses.

0:26:040:26:07

It is going to take time,

it takes seven years to

0:26:070:26:09

train a doctor, three

years to train a nurse...

0:26:090:26:11

You've got somebody who said they've

been working on this

0:26:110:26:14

for 34 years.

0:26:140:26:15

What do you say, Bye bye to them

because they say it's

0:26:150:26:18

the worst crisis

they have ever seen?

0:26:180:26:20

I say to them thank you for

the amazing work you are doing.

0:26:200:26:23

Please bear with us.

0:26:230:26:24

We are trying as hard

as we can to train up more

0:26:240:26:27

doctors and nurses to

get into the system.

0:26:270:26:29

And if voters in England

or patients who have had their

0:26:290:26:31

operations put back, or front line

staff who have expressed their

0:26:310:26:34

frustrations need to find somebody

accountable for what they are facing

0:26:340:26:36

right now, who is that person?

0:26:360:26:38

Is it you, or is it

Simon Stevens of NHS

0:26:380:26:40

England?

0:26:400:26:42

Well, ultimately I am accountable

for the treatment of

0:26:420:26:45

every patient in the NHS.

0:26:450:26:46

I am the Health Secretary.

0:26:460:26:49

And to people who have

had their operations delayed,

0:26:490:26:57

because of the winter pressures

that we are now facing, I apologise,

0:26:570:27:00

because I recognise

that it is a very, very

0:27:000:27:02

big deal if you need

a

0:27:020:27:04

hip replaced and you are

happy to wait longer.

0:27:040:27:07

Jeremy Hunt, thank you.

0:27:070:27:11

The war in Syria is heading

towards its eighth year with no

0:27:110:27:14

definite end in sight -

though some believe the government's

0:27:140:27:17

new assault on the last entirely

rebel-held province in the country

0:27:170:27:19

could prove the

beginning of the end.

0:27:190:27:21

Idlib, in north west Syria,

has been in the hands of rebel

0:27:210:27:24

groups since near the beginning

of the conflict.

0:27:240:27:26

Tens of thousands of civilians

and fighters from former rebel

0:27:260:27:28

strongholds including Aleppo,

Homs and Daraya

0:27:280:27:30

were evacuated there.

0:27:300:27:31

But an attack in the far

south of the province

0:27:310:27:36

by government forces,

backed by Russian planes,

0:27:360:27:38

could suggest the regime has fresh

aspirations to reclaim control.

0:27:380:27:40

Here's Mike Thomson.

0:27:400:27:41

And I should warn you that his film

contains distressing scenes.

0:27:410:27:46

This has been life for the past two

weeks for the people of Southern

0:27:460:27:55

Idlib.

0:27:550:27:56

And the bombing by Syrian government

forces is carrying on.

0:27:560:28:03

Today marks the 15th day

of the continuous onslaught

0:28:030:28:05

by Syrian warplanes,

mainly against the

0:28:050:28:09

southern and eastern

Idlib countryside.

0:28:090:28:14

We've had more than

250 aerial raids.

0:28:140:28:17

So far, 57 people have died

and 200 civilians have been

0:28:170:28:20

injured.

0:28:200:28:21

I can distinctly hear the buzzing

of the regime's aeroplanes

0:28:210:28:24

pounding the area with bombs

while doing this interview

0:28:240:28:26

with you at this very moment.

0:28:260:28:31

And it seems it's the very young

who are suffering the

0:28:310:28:34

most.

0:28:340:28:40

The majority of those casualties

are innocent civilians.

0:28:400:28:49

Just yesterday, a massacre committed

saw more than 12 civilians killed,

0:28:490:28:51

the majority of which were children.

0:28:510:28:57

Hunger and cold compete with bombs

and bullets as causes of misery

0:28:570:29:00

here in this hugely

overcrowded province.

0:29:000:29:10

We fled the heavy bombardment

in Aleppo, leaving our

0:29:110:29:14

homes behind,

0:29:140:29:15

only to face the same

terrible scene here in Idlib

0:29:150:29:17

of bombardment and destruction.

0:29:170:29:18

Where else can we go?

0:29:180:29:19

We're living the same nightmare each

day, alone and scared

0:29:190:29:22

for our children.

0:29:220:29:31

Idlib's population has been

swelled by the arrival

0:29:310:29:33

of thousands of civilians and

fighters from other areas of Syria,

0:29:330:29:38

as more and more rebel territory has

fallen to Government forces.

0:29:380:29:41

Now, Idlib is in the firing line.

0:29:410:29:42

Idlib is in a strategic

location that's on

0:29:420:29:45

the border with Turkey.

0:29:450:29:53

It is the main area

that supplies coming

0:29:530:29:55

through Turkey pass

through in order to be

0:29:550:29:57

deployed in the rest

of

0:29:570:29:58

the rebel-held areas in Syria.

0:29:580:30:02

And therefore, if the

regime cuts off the

0:30:020:30:04

supply lines through Idlib, then

it can significantly weaken rebels

0:30:040:30:06

across Syria.

0:30:060:30:07

Infighting between rebel

groups, some of whom are

0:30:070:30:09

extremists, has

weakened them further.

0:30:090:30:14

After a long struggle, an alliance

led by the formerly Al-Qaeda

0:30:140:30:17

linked Tahrir al-Sham,

or HTS, now dominates.

0:30:170:30:24

It is accused of carrying

out the numerous

0:30:240:30:26

war crimes.

0:30:260:30:30

These war crimes include the summary

killings of civilians,

0:30:300:30:32

especially activists.

0:30:320:30:39

Human rights defenders.

0:30:390:30:40

Beheading and the stoning of women.

0:30:400:30:44

And also, basically

passing unlawful sentences

0:30:440:30:50

throught their courts,

that do not need any

0:30:500:30:52

international standards.

0:30:520:30:53

Idlib's civilians haven't

taken this lying down.

0:30:530:30:55

Over the last year, there have

been street protests

0:30:550:30:57

against HTS's diktats.

0:30:570:31:03

Local radio station

Fresh FM has joined the

0:31:030:31:05

rebellion against HTS's rule,

defying their ban on playing music

0:31:050:31:07

and using women presenters.

0:31:070:31:15

But the station's

founder fears that if

0:31:150:31:17

President Assad's forces succeed

in overrunning the province,

0:31:170:31:19

his rule might be even worse

than that of the

0:31:190:31:22

extremists.

0:31:220:31:27

If Assad's forces take over

all of Idlib, will your radio

0:31:470:31:49

station keep broadcasting?

0:31:490:31:54

No, no.

0:31:540:31:55

With the nearby Turkish

border currently

0:32:000:32:01

closed to refugees,

the

0:32:010:32:06

burning question facing civilians

desperate to escape Idlib is, where

0:32:060:32:11

to go?

0:32:110:32:13

If there was an attack on civilians,

they have nowhere to

0:32:130:32:16

flee.

0:32:160:32:23

They can't go to

government-controlled

0:32:230:32:24

areas out of fear of

0:32:240:32:25

reprisals and attacks against them.

0:32:250:32:27

At the same time, they can't

cross into Turkey.

0:32:270:32:29

So this would be another

humanitarian disaster.

0:32:290:32:30

If it reaches that

point, Turkey must open

0:32:300:32:32

its borders to these refugees,

or people fleeing the violence.

0:32:320:32:35

Yesterday, two hospitals in the far

south of Idlib were hit by air

0:32:350:32:38

strikes, further

hampering the ability

0:32:380:32:39

of doctors to cope with

the

0:32:390:32:41

growing number of casualties.

0:32:410:32:46

A shortage of staff and medicines

compounds problems caused by damage

0:32:460:32:49

to equipment and buildings.

0:32:490:32:53

But it's what might happen

if government forces

0:32:530:33:01

overrun the province

that

0:33:010:33:02

worries some even more.

0:33:020:33:03

This is a real source of concern

for the entire world.

0:33:030:33:06

Because if the regime

succeeds in its sinister

0:33:060:33:08

offensive, it will commit crimes

against humanity in Idlib.

0:33:080:33:13

Even worse, if the borders

are sealed, there

0:33:130:33:18

will be a total annihilation of more

than two million people living here.

0:33:180:33:22

It's yet unclear whether

President Assad has

0:33:220:33:24

the strength to retake

the

0:33:240:33:29

whole of this last rebel-held

bastian, though even if he does,

0:33:290:33:31

many years of insurgency

involving various rebel

0:33:310:33:41

looks likely to follow,

Before rebuilding this shattered

0:33:410:33:44

country can truly begin.

0:33:440:33:46

Carey Mulligan has told

Newsnight about her fear

0:33:460:33:48

of developing dementia in old age

after she lost her

0:33:480:33:50

grandmother to the illness.

0:33:500:33:51

The actress is a spokesperson

for the Alzheimer's Society

0:33:510:33:54

and was speaking as a number

of cinemas have started welcoming

0:33:540:33:56

dementia patients and their carers

to separate screenings.

0:33:560:34:00

Staff are specially trained,

and cinemas keep the house lights

0:34:000:34:03

up, and the volume low,

for the benefit of the audience.

0:34:030:34:06

Will this tempt an often immobile

section of the community

0:34:060:34:08

to get more out of life?

0:34:080:34:10

Or is there a danger it might

marginalise them even more?

0:34:100:34:13

Stephen Smith went to the movies.

0:34:130:34:16

Welcome, everybody,

to East Dulwich Picture House

0:34:220:34:24

and to Alzheimer's Society

and Southwark Dementia Action

0:34:240:34:30

Alliance dementia-friendly

screening today.

0:34:300:34:32

Today, we have White

Christmas, which is very

0:34:320:34:34

appropriate for this time.

0:34:340:34:35

And we hope you're really

going to enjoy it.

0:34:350:34:38

We've got the wonderful Bing Crosby

and some lovely other amazing actors

0:34:380:34:41

to entertain us today.

0:34:410:34:46

You may have had your fill of mince

pies and musicals by now,

0:34:460:34:50

dear viewer, but an outing

to the pictures like this can be

0:34:500:34:52

a rare treat for elderly people

with mental health issues.

0:34:520:34:57

So Bing Crosby, Danny Kaye

and friends are top of the bill

0:34:570:35:00

for this screening,

which is especially for those

0:35:000:35:02

with dementia and their carers.

0:35:020:35:07

Here, they have the house lights up

a little for their audience.

0:35:070:35:09

The volume, not too high.

0:35:090:35:12

And a break for refreshments halfway

through the main attraction.

0:35:120:35:16

Would you like a mince pie, sir?

0:35:160:35:21

Do you like the film today?

0:35:210:35:24

Yes, I didn't mind it but, er,

I've got my mind working on some

0:35:240:35:27

stuff I've got to do at home

when I get back.

0:35:270:35:30

You liked the dancing,

didn't you, Betty?

0:35:300:35:32

Eh?

0:35:320:35:33

You liked the dancing on the film.

0:35:330:35:34

Oh, yes.

0:35:340:35:36

Dancing's dancing, isn't it?

0:35:360:35:41

You used to like to do ice-skating.

0:35:410:35:44

I used to do a lot of it,

ice-skating and everything.

0:35:440:35:47

Well, it's our first outing

out to the cinema...

0:35:470:35:49

Pardon?

0:35:490:35:50

It was the first time we've come out

to the cinema, isn't it,

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together, for a few years?

0:35:530:35:54

So we're sort of seeing how it goes.

0:35:540:35:56

We're hoping everything

is going to be good and that Mum

0:35:560:35:59

will enjoy coming and singing

the songs from back then.

0:35:590:36:01

I remember.

0:36:010:36:02

Someone with plenty of experience

of the movies, and a family

0:36:020:36:05

connection to dementia,

is the actor Carey Mulligan.

0:36:050:36:07

What does she make

of these screenings?

0:36:070:36:08

I think it's amazing.

0:36:080:36:10

I think, you know,

the Alzheimer's Society did a survey

0:36:100:36:13

recently and found that 67%

of the people who were surveyed said

0:36:130:36:16

they didn't feel part

of their community any more

0:36:160:36:18

when they had dementia.

0:36:180:36:19

And I think, you know,

there's no reason for these lovely

0:36:190:36:22

pleasures to be taken away

when you have dementia.

0:36:220:36:24

It can be a very safe,

lovely environment, and a very

0:36:240:36:26

stimulating environment for someone

who has dementia.

0:36:260:36:29

So being able to come to a cinema,

and for carers to be able

0:36:290:36:32

to bring their loved-ones

to the cinema, is

0:36:320:36:34

a really great thing.

0:36:340:36:35

The actor lost a beloved

grandmother to the illness.

0:36:350:36:39

Does she fear for her own

health in the long term?

0:36:390:36:42

Yeah, I do fear it.

0:36:420:36:45

And I think we all should

fear it, you know.

0:36:450:36:47

And I think that's

what we need to...

0:36:470:36:50

Er, we need to turn that fear

into action, you know,

0:36:500:36:52

this is a global issue.

0:36:520:36:55

One in three people will develop

dementia of some kind.

0:36:550:36:58

In our country, one...

0:36:580:37:00

every three minutes,

one person develops dementia.

0:37:000:37:04

There's over 850,000 people

in our country living with it.

0:37:040:37:07

And everyone knows someone

who's going through that.

0:37:070:37:10

And so I think we should

all be aware of it.

0:37:100:37:13

We should all be thinking

about how we can conquer it.

0:37:130:37:15

And that's sort of how I see it.

0:37:150:37:17

I am afraid of it, and that's why

I want to do something about it.

0:37:170:37:21

Back in South-East London,

is there a risk that screenings

0:37:210:37:24

like this one could actually

intensify the isolation of elderly

0:37:240:37:26

people with mental illness?

0:37:260:37:31

The cinema should be a part

of the local community and people

0:37:310:37:34

living with dementia are part

of that community, and there should

0:37:340:37:36

be an offer for them.

0:37:360:37:37

People don't have to come

to those screenings.

0:37:370:37:40

We've had some people that have come

to the dementia-friendly screenings

0:37:400:37:42

and then felt perfectly comfortable

in the cinema environment.

0:37:420:37:44

They know the staff and they'll come

to other screenings.

0:37:440:37:47

And equally, anyone can come

to the dementia-friendly screenings,

0:37:470:37:49

you don't have to be living

with dementia to do so.

0:37:490:37:52

But those adaptations

are there in place,

0:37:520:37:59

and there's the cheaper ticket

price, free carer places, and free

0:37:590:38:01

coffee and biscuits,

to kind of hopefully help encourage

0:38:010:38:04

a bit of social interaction

before and after the film.

0:38:040:38:06

Taking her mum to the screening,

Em is grateful that the staff

0:38:060:38:09

and other patrons are more patient

than they might be

0:38:090:38:11

at a regular showing.

0:38:110:38:16

We've been to Jailhouse Rock,

which she really loved, like Elvis.

0:38:160:38:18

She knew the songs.

0:38:180:38:19

Did she join in?

0:38:190:38:20

Yeah, yeah.

0:38:200:38:22

And her favourite was Singin'

in the Rain, it has been.

0:38:220:38:24

And then whenever she brings it up

that we went there and we saw

0:38:240:38:27

Singin' in the Rain,

that's the one...

0:38:270:38:29

Oh, she remembers that?

0:38:290:38:31

Yeah, she always tells people

that she went to a place and she saw

0:38:310:38:34

Singin' in the Rain.

0:38:340:38:36

We're scrupulously nonjudgemental,

of course, but films that get people

0:38:360:38:39

with dementia and their carers out

of the house, it might

0:38:390:38:42

just be a feel-good hit.

0:38:420:38:50

Steve Smith. Let's take you through

the front pages. The Times has that

0:38:500:38:57

same book extracts that we started

with, Tony Blair warned Trump that

0:38:570:39:02

the UK may have spied on him and a

suggestion by Michael Wolff Mr Blair

0:39:020:39:07

might have been angling as an

adviser to Mr Trump in the Middle

0:39:070:39:12

East in the White House

administration.

0:39:120:39:13

The Daily Telegraph has farmers to

be paid for improving public access.

0:39:130:39:17

And the financial Times has a

picture of the leaders of Hungary

0:39:170:39:23

and Poland, defiant amid EU

sanctions threat on immigration

0:39:230:39:27

policies. That is almost it for

tonight.

0:39:270:39:30

Given recent precedent,

who would dare predict

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what 2018 has in store?

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But one thing we can say with happy

certainty is that it

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will give us a Royal wedding.

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Harry and Meghan, take note.

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The best wedding photos of 2017 have

just been announced -

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at least, according to the wedding

planners Junebug Weddings.

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Over 9,000 pictures from around

the world were entered

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into the competition,

and we leave you tonight

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with the pick of the lot.

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Goodnight.

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