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Is this the most grotesquely sexist
charity event anywhere? | 0:00:06 | 0:00:13 | |
The business dinner where
some of the rich guests | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
grope hostesses, and
an auction prize is plastic | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
surgery for the wife. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
Stag night type shenanigans,
at the Dorchester Hotel, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
raising money for Great Ormond
Street among others. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
We'll hear the details of what went
on at the Presidents Club dinner | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
from the FT's undercover reporter
who was there. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
Are we surprised that this goes on? | 0:00:36 | 0:00:37 | |
Should we be outraged? | 0:00:37 | 0:00:43 | |
Also tonight, this is
how you mine diamonds. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
And this is how you mine Bitcoins. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
Why are huge numbers
of supercomputers now being used | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
to conjure up cryptocurrency
from thin air? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:59 | |
Your running costs are 25% of
revenue which makes net profit 75%, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
which is a very high margin. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
Leaving home for the first time. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
It's not always easy
being a student. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:11 | |
With the suicide rate rising,
should we worry more | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
about their mental health? | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
If you're paying so much and you're
kind of getting little back, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
you should think that all the extra
stuff around that, all the support | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
and all the pastoral care that
you can get, should be | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
at least adequate. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
Hello. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
It's not how you'd expect
charities to make money. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
A dinner for some top business names
at the Dorchester Hotel last | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Thursday - a men only event -
at which the rich get | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
drunk and are then turned
on by attractive young hostesses, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
who have to put up from some
of the guests with groping | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
and from a minority worse. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
A kind of raunchy stag
night, in black tie. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
We can only bring you fleeting
pictures from inside, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
as the hostesses' mobile phones
were locked away beforehand. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
The women also had to sign
non-disclosure agreements. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
But what we have, we can report
as the Financial Times sent two | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
women in as hostesses,
in an undercover investigation | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
published tonight. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
Now the event does raise money
by the way, a couple of million. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
And it is an annual bash that has
been going for many years. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
But in the wake of the Harvey
Weinstein revelations, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
the dinner seems like a piece
of the worst of the 1980s - | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
or 50s even - crashing
into the modern era. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
Is this the night that
unreconstructed attitudes | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
in the city and at the top level
of business are exposed? | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
Our business editor,
Helen Thomas, reports. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:38 | |
A 5-star London location. The guest
list scattered with big names and | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
big wallets. And innocuous billing,
the President's club charity dinner. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:49 | |
This was a charity auction like no
other. Last week, according to the | 0:02:49 | 0:02:55 | |
Financial Times, 360 men from
British business, politics and | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
finance came to a black-tie event
here. 360 men but no women except | 0:02:59 | 0:03:05 | |
they were joined by 130 hostesses.
Young women, reportedly chosen for | 0:03:05 | 0:03:12 | |
their looks, who are given short,
tight dresses to wear. The women, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
who were paid £150, were paraded in
and distributed around the table. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:24 | |
Later in the evening, the paper
says, hostesses were groped, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
harassed or propositioned. The
Financial Times had two women under | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
cover at the event. According to
them, hostesses reported men | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
repeatedly putting hands up their
skirts. One said an | 0:03:37 | 0:03:46 | |
skirts. One said an attendee had
exposed his Venus to her. According | 0:03:46 | 0:03:47 | |
to the charitable trust's last set
of accounts for 2016, the Presidents | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
Club received donations and income
from an annual event... | 0:03:51 | 0:03:59 | |
And it raises a lot of money. In
2016, the charity pulled on an | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
income from its dinner and donations
of over £2 million. It donates to | 0:04:04 | 0:04:15 | |
various charities involving children
and children's health. Its chairman, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
Bruce Ritchie, and businessman David
Meller, who sits on the board of | 0:04:19 | 0:04:25 | |
education and the Mayors fund the
London. Mr Ritchie said tonight... | 0:04:25 | 0:04:34 | |
The organisers are appalled by
allegations of bad behaviour. Such | 0:04:36 | 0:04:42 | |
behaviour is totally unacceptable.
The allegations will be investigated | 0:04:42 | 0:04:49 | |
fully and appropriate action taken.
The Presidents Club hostesses had | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
been selected by an agency. It was
compared by David Walliams. There | 0:04:54 | 0:05:00 | |
were tabled by WPP, property company
Frogmore. Among those listed as | 0:05:00 | 0:05:09 | |
attending were British business
figures like Peter Jones and Tim | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
Steiner was a bit is not clear if
all the men listed attended on the | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
night. Also the newly appointed
education minister. The founder of | 0:05:18 | 0:05:24 | |
artistic events said this is a
really important charity fundraising | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
event. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:30 | |
The newly appointed education
minister said he did not stay long | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
enough to comment on the occasion.
Others declined did not respond to | 0:05:52 | 0:05:58 | |
request for comment. This is an
outdated event which raises money | 0:05:58 | 0:06:06 | |
for good causes for that many of the
men may not have been aware of the | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
particular characteristics. Some
expressed dismay. Still, a secretive | 0:06:09 | 0:06:15 | |
men only event feels unusual in
today's modern environment. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:25 | |
today's modern environment. Throw in
the hostesses who reportedly had to | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
sign nondisclosure and agreements
and allegations of Miss behaviour | 0:06:27 | 0:06:33 | |
and it feels very odd indeed. Big
names and big money gives the | 0:06:33 | 0:06:39 | |
Presidents Club mask of
responsibility. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
Helen Thomas there. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
We should say that there's no
suggestion any of the men named | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
engaged in inappropriate behaviour. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
Certainly, now we all know
about the dinner, we can expect | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
a debate about what it tells us. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
But let's hear from the FT reporter
who acted as a hostess that night. | 0:06:54 | 0:07:02 | |
Earlier I spoke to Madison Marriage. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
I asked her what the atmosphere was
like. Incredibly loud. Huge amount | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
of testosterone in the room. 130
women hired as hostesses and you | 0:07:13 | 0:07:19 | |
could have a drink or two on the
night. You could have a drink on the | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
night. I am not an experienced
hostess I have spoken to several who | 0:07:24 | 0:07:30 | |
say that is very usual. Did they
tell you there would be some | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
groping? How reasonable would it be
that women expected what was going | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
to happen? I was warned that people
might be annoying. What was your | 0:07:40 | 0:07:47 | |
experience of the physicality? I was
groped several times. I know | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
numerous other hostesses said the
same thing had happened to them. It | 0:07:51 | 0:07:57 | |
is hands on skirts, hands on hips,
on stomachs of arms going around | 0:07:57 | 0:08:04 | |
your waist unexpectedly. Not
high-level groping. One of the | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
strangest things you could be
talking to a man and he would | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
suddenly start to hold your hand.
Where you surprised by what you | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
found that you were told they might
be annoying and you are paid a | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
couple of hundred quid for this was
updated not think that is what you | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
would get? This event has been
running for 33 years. We knew such | 0:08:25 | 0:08:32 | |
things went on which is why we
wanted to go in there and see it for | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
ourselves. I knew stuff like that
might happen on the night but I was | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
not 100% sure. There are plenty of
other women who have no idea that | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
was the kind of event it would be.
One woman told me that she was | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
shocked. She was asked if she was a
prostitute on the night. Who were | 0:08:51 | 0:08:57 | |
the other women? What are the
others? Aspiring lawyers, marketing | 0:08:57 | 0:09:05 | |
executives, film producers,
ambitious young women. You had the | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
students and you also have models,
actresses and dancers who do a lot | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
of hostess in work on the time to
make ends meet because their work is | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
not very regular. Your behaviour was
controlled by your side of it, the | 0:09:17 | 0:09:24 | |
agency. For example, at the toilet.
I was followed and asked, where are | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
you going and when will you be back?
The quick. At three in the morning I | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
had done a ten hour shift and worked
in an office beforehand. I was | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
exhausted. Depressed but I had a
long day ahead of me on Friday. What | 0:09:38 | 0:09:45 | |
was the worst you saw on that night?
Clearly there was a lot of grabbing | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
and groping going on. The worst I
was told by a host Tess was a man | 0:09:50 | 0:09:56 | |
taking his Venus out in the course
of the dinner. The other one was | 0:09:56 | 0:10:03 | |
another man telling hostess to down
her glass of champagne, rip off her | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
knickers and dance on the table. I
cannot believe it still goes on in | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
dazzling 18th of it is shocking.
Eye-macro some people would say, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
women go for it. Sam go back time
after time. -- Sam go back. Some | 0:10:18 | 0:10:31 | |
women find it is fun and receive job
offers. That said, I spoke to | 0:10:31 | 0:10:44 | |
several women... Today I spoke to a
woman who said it was the worst job | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
she had ever done in her life. If
you want to run an event where women | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
are voluntarily walking in in
knowledge they will be groped, Vine, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:59 | |
make that clear in the hiring
process. That was not made clear. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
Many women did not have a clue what
they were letting themselves in for. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:11 | |
The Dorchester hotel said it had a
zero tolerance policy over groping | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
of any employees. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
Veteran businesswoman
Nicola Horlick is the Chief | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
Executive of Money and Co. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:25 | |
She worked in senior city
jobs for many years. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
Are you surprised at this? I am
seldom speechless but when I read | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
that article I was somewhat
speechless. I felt I was reading | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
about something that happened 40 or
50 years ago. The Lap dancing | 0:11:34 | 0:11:40 | |
culture in which you might see this
as on that kind of spectrum. Does | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
that still go one? Occasionally you
read about Christmas parties where | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
they have ended up in a lap dancing
club but not on the scale it used to | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
happen in the 80s and early 90s. I
thought we had moved on from this. | 0:11:53 | 0:12:00 | |
WPP, their biggest communications
company in the country have said | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
they will not be having any
association with this event in the | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
future and they did not know about
what went on. What is your | 0:12:07 | 0:12:14 | |
impression of the clients? How do
you think they justified to | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
themselves sitting in something so
obviously not? Their host says it is | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
the most un-PC event in the year.
What do you think about them? I | 0:12:21 | 0:12:27 | |
don't know how anyone can justify
it. Can you imagine a group of women | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
getting together and hosting a
dinner getting some young guys | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
around? You could not imagine a
Chippendales type thing on the | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
stage. I don't think so but it is
highly and rightly we would organise | 0:12:39 | 0:12:45 | |
such a thing. It seems so weird, so
out of keeping with the present day. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
The Hollywood thing a slightly
different. Hollywood is not | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
organised in the way that large
companies are. It does not have HR | 0:12:54 | 0:12:59 | |
departments. Lots of producers are
acting on their own good you can see | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
how that could have happened in
2017/ 18. With this site you have | 0:13:04 | 0:13:12 | |
major companies, highly regarded
business people. What about their | 0:13:12 | 0:13:18 | |
wives? What will I think now they
have seen this footage? This has | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
divided viewers to women. I bet HR
departments all have very good | 0:13:23 | 0:13:29 | |
policies, written policies on
employment and equal pay and then | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
they go off and do a night like
that. It is very hard to understand. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:39 | |
One of the interesting aspects is
the nondisclosure agreement. The | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
other thing is the contracts of the
hostesses saying the club should not | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
be held liable for any actions of
members, staff or attendees that | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
amounts to harassment. Can you say
they have no responsibility for | 0:13:52 | 0:14:01 | |
whatever anyone does? You cannot
sign away your rights in a contract. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:07 | |
What does the city need to do now?
For a lot of people it will be a bit | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
of a shock. Not a shock that it was
happening, the shock that it is | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
happening. A big shock. Also that it
was in aid of charity and charities | 0:14:17 | 0:14:23 | |
like when Tallman Street and St
Thomas 's Hospital are recipients of | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
this money. -- great Ormond. They
must be wondering whether their name | 0:14:26 | 0:14:33 | |
should be associated with it. I hope
this event will not be happening | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
next year. Let's put it this way. It
is 35 years since I went into the | 0:14:37 | 0:14:43 | |
city and I am a little bit sad that
things have not really changed that | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
much. I was also interested that
some women said they got some job | 0:14:46 | 0:14:52 | |
offers from people. What is going on
there? That is also quite curious. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
It is a strange way to go about it.
Nowadays is it is terribly rigid. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:03 | |
You cannot say I met an attractive
young woman and have offered her a | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
PA job. That sounds highly strange
was even graduate recruitment is | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
very orchestrated and it is very
hard for a senior executive did | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
tenor others here want this goal to
work with me. In your junior days, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:24 | |
sexism was rife. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:30 | |
No, I was fortunate, I worked for a
bank in the City that was a | 0:15:32 | 0:15:38 | |
fantastic organisation, a true
meritocracy, and I was made a | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
director in my 20s and because I
reach that at an early age after | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
that people respected and
fortunately I have never been put in | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
that position but I am concerned
about girls put in that position at | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
this event. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:02 | |
this event. Nicola thank you. We
have to say they're meant who did | 0:16:02 | 0:16:12 | |
not know what was on the agenda. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:21 | |
not know what was on the agenda. I
understand Nadhim Zahawi. Was | 0:16:21 | 0:16:27 | |
invited by David Meller, the
businessman, not the former | 0:16:27 | 0:16:33 | |
Conservative Cabinet minister. This
David Meller is the director of | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
Department for Education where
Nadhim Zahawi. Was appointed | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
minister. I understand they left
this event early because they felt | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
it was a bizarre and uncomfortable
event. It was worth pointing out he | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
has been to the event before. That
is before he was elected an MP in | 0:16:50 | 0:16:56 | |
2010 but as I understand it he felt
the event was completely different | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
to the event he attended last week.
I was told a senior member of David | 0:17:01 | 0:17:09 | |
Cameron's cabinet did attend this
event whilst they were a member of | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
David Cameron's cabinet. I have to
say I have not been able to verify | 0:17:13 | 0:17:21 | |
that. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:22 | |
It's been a funny old
few days in politics. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
Just when Theresa May's
position was looking stable, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
there was sudden backbench chatter
that she was lacking | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
"Dull, dull, dull", said
one, Nicholas Soames. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:36 | |
And then a sudden Boris
Johnson initiative - | 0:17:36 | 0:17:44 | |
How did his demands go down? Asking
for extra money for the NHS and then | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
Downing Street keen to say no member
of the Cabinet mentioned any bigger. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
This was not a great day for Boris
Johnson and indeed Theresa May led | 0:17:54 | 0:18:00 | |
to the isolation of Boris Johnson at
this cabinet when she opened it by | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
saying it is an important discussion
by the NHS and we need to have these | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
discussions in private and we around
this Cabinet table want to be able | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
to spend the additional money the UK
can spend after it leaves | 0:18:11 | 0:18:19 | |
can spend after it leaves the EU on
the NHS but now is not the time to | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
do that and she was supported by
almost every member of the Cabinet | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
apart from Michael Gove, still there
with Boris Johnson and I understand | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
there was a very strong
intervention, pointed intervention, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
by Amber Rudd, singling out Boris
Johnson. What did Boris Johnson's | 0:18:35 | 0:18:41 | |
team said? It would be fair to say
he is chastened this evening. He | 0:18:41 | 0:18:50 | |
said to his friends he was mocked | 0:18:50 | 0:18:59 | |
said to his friends he was mocked up
-- mucked up. His frustrations with | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
Brexit and the way it has been
negotiated are well known and he has | 0:19:01 | 0:19:06 | |
concerns about the Prime Minister's
overall timidity. But he is | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
admitting the Cabinet gave him a
kicking. I am told he regarded Amber | 0:19:10 | 0:19:16 | |
Rudd's intervention as personally
offensive but there is one silver | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
lining. He believes Philip Hammond's
robotic response, I gave the NHS 5 | 0:19:20 | 0:19:28 | |
billion, means people who want in
the Conservative Party to protect | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
the NHS might be thinking of turning
to Boris Johnson rather than the | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
Chancellor. Thank you. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
Too many students are
taking their own lives, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
while at university. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:40 | |
We know it can be hard for some
young people to cope, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
a long way from home
for the first time. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
And it is hard for family
and old friends to spot what's | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
going on from miles away. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
The numbers have been rising
shockingly over the last decade. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
In 2016, 146 full-time students
killed themselves in England | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
and Wales, almost a 60% rise over
the ten years before. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
In a few moments,
we'll ask the big question - | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
how can universities help students
cope with the stress | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
of self-discovery,
and any associated confusion, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
loneliness or depression? | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
But first, let's hear from Bristol,
a city that has experienced the pain | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
of several student suicides
in the last 18 months. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
James Clayton has been there today. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:21 | |
Earlier this month, a third-year law
student studying at Bristol was | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
found dead. The university has said
it was a suspected suicide. In the | 0:20:27 | 0:20:33 | |
last 18 months, seven students are
believed to have taken their lives | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
at the University and the deaths
have put the spotlight on how | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
universities can help students with
mental-health problems. Numerous | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
studies have found that students are
increasingly reporting mental health | 0:20:46 | 0:20:51 | |
illness in further education. One
study by the Institute for Public | 0:20:51 | 0:20:56 | |
Policy Research found students are
at risk in a unique way, a cocktail | 0:20:56 | 0:21:04 | |
of stressful factors including
financial, social and academic | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
pressures. There is a toxic mix of
things impacting on this generation. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:13 | |
That includes unrealistic
expectations they have of | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
themselves. This can be compounded
by the fact with the advent of | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
social media, students never have
any downtime, and often feeling | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
inadequate because what they see is
the highlights of each other's | 0:21:27 | 0:21:32 | |
lives. Universities have a duty of
care towards students but what that | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
duty in tales is not clear. I think
our duty of care as a university is | 0:21:36 | 0:21:43 | |
to be alert to the fact we have
increasing numbers of students with | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
additional support needs. And to aim
to support those students in order | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
that they are able to engage with
their studies and make the most of | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
their time at university and also to
recognise we are not a health | 0:21:56 | 0:22:02 | |
service, as the question indicates,
it can be a grey area. The | 0:22:02 | 0:22:08 | |
university says it is improving
pastoral care, investing in £1 | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
million additionally annually in a
student well-being service but not | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
everybody is impressed. This is the
well-being editor at the Bristol | 0:22:17 | 0:22:23 | |
student newspaper. Is there an
expectation students should expect | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
better services including mental
health services? Definitely, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
students pay so much for academic
help and get their degrees so | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
especially if you pay so much anger
little back, you should think the | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
extra staff, the support and
pastoral care should be at least | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
adequate. For students to feel they
have somewhere safe to go. Are they | 0:22:44 | 0:22:53 | |
adequate here? At Bristol, no. I do
not think... I think they recognise | 0:22:53 | 0:23:01 | |
things need to change but they are
scrambling after the rise in mental | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
health issues and it should be the
other way round. University students | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
ultimately fall into a grey area.
Legally adults but often only just. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:17 | |
As the mental health needs of young
people are changing, some are | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
increasingly looking at how
universities can meet the needs of | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
students. The question is, how big a
role can they should they be | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
playing? | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
With me in the studio
is graduate Vivienne Isebor, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
who spent months looking for mental
health support at her university. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
And joining us from Bristol
is Professor Steve West, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
chair of Universities UK's
Working Group on Mental Health | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
in Higher Education and
Vice-Chancellor of the University | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
of the West of England. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:54 | |
Your experience, you had a bad time
in your final year, and was being at | 0:23:54 | 0:24:00 | |
university, did it make it more
difficult than being at home? Was it | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
different being a student? The fact
you are away from home, especially | 0:24:04 | 0:24:11 | |
staying on campus, and everybody is
busy, so even having friends on | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
campus does not necessarily mean
someone is checking up on you, but | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
the stress of deadlines and trying
to stay on top of things it is hard | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
to feel connected and part of
something and if you are struggling | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
you can fall through the net and
nobody realises. You can retreat and | 0:24:27 | 0:24:32 | |
people notice you are not around as
much that they do not know something | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
is wrong? You can go under the radar
and because you are busy and your | 0:24:36 | 0:24:43 | |
parents are not able to see. The
number of suicides and other | 0:24:43 | 0:24:51 | |
mental-health problems seem to be
rising faster than student numbers. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
Is there an easy answer to what is
going on or is it just diagnosis and | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
reporting? I do not think it is
diagnosis and reporting, although | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
that is getting better. 50% of
school leavers go to university, a | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
massive increase in numbers coming
into universities. The social | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
constructs they are leaving and
going into adds pressure. I think | 0:25:16 | 0:25:22 | |
universities are beginning to
recognise that we need to do more | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
than just is what required in terms
of statutory responsibilities. We | 0:25:25 | 0:25:31 | |
need students to flourish and we
need to do more work. Is it your | 0:25:31 | 0:25:36 | |
contention the rise is mainly just
because many more people are going | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
to university and you expect more to
have problems, or is there something | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
else going on? There is something
else going on because what we see is | 0:25:44 | 0:25:50 | |
more people entering university
declaring they have mental | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
ill-health as they arrive at
university. As they transition into | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
the University through it, we see
increasing demand as they go through | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
the transition. They are vulnerable
young people experiencing a | 0:26:03 | 0:26:10 | |
continuum of ill-health as part of
their overall mental health. Let's | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
talk about treatment. You knew
something was wrong and wanted help. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:22 | |
You had to wait ages? It was
constantly signposted. My GP | 0:26:22 | 0:26:30 | |
signposted me back to university and
they signposted me to a counsellor | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
and a signpost is me on again and it
was a cycle and when I got help it | 0:26:35 | 0:26:41 | |
was three months after I first went
to see the GP. By that time, you got | 0:26:41 | 0:26:47 | |
help in the end, is that right? In
the end I got CBT off-campus but it | 0:26:47 | 0:26:53 | |
was a referral through the
counsellor at the University. During | 0:26:53 | 0:26:59 | |
those three months, how serious was
your condition? It was pretty bad. I | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
was missing lectures and seminars. I
was missing deadlines. I had friends | 0:27:03 | 0:27:09 | |
able to help me through and get on
top of a few things but I was not | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
able to do my degree. When you got
help, the waiting time was so long | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
you had to skip a year and do it
again? They gave me an extension is | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
part of the circumstances but it was
quite squashed so I could not hit | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
the grade I wanted. Professor, has
treatment kept up with student | 0:27:28 | 0:27:36 | |
numbers of the provision of services
with the numbers who have problems | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
when they arrived? We have seen
massive increases and there is | 0:27:39 | 0:27:45 | |
variability in the sector. The
project we are running, the step | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
change project, it tries to identify
best practice in universities and | 0:27:49 | 0:27:56 | |
evidence -based soup to support
interventions. What would be your | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
best practice? To create an
environment where students feel | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
empowered to seek help, and an
entire community of staff and | 0:28:04 | 0:28:10 | |
students working together to support
each other. Having permission to | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
have conversations and to say it is
OK to not be OK is an important | 0:28:14 | 0:28:20 | |
step. We can start to target
resources in an appropriate way. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
That has a prevention effect as much
as a curative one? Absolutely, we | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
need to get to the point where we
are working with students and staff. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:37 | |
We all have mental health and have
periods where our mental health is | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
poorer in other periods. We need to
be on to work with that as well as | 0:28:41 | 0:28:46 | |
provide treatment with services and
charities when people are falling | 0:28:46 | 0:28:52 | |
into mental ill-health. There is a
continuing but we need to engage | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
with the entire community. To work
with schools and parents as well as | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
students. Thank you both. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
If you are feeling emotionally
distressed, and would like details | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
of organisations which offer advice
and support, go online to | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
bbc.co.uk/actionline. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:18 | |
Or you can call for free,
at any time, to hear recorded | 0:29:18 | 0:29:19 | |
information - 0800 066 066. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:27 | |
Whatever happens to the prices
of Bitcoin and its many derivatives | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
over the next few months,
and they've been volatile to say | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
the least over the lsat few,
the consensus is that the technology | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
underlying Bitcoin -
called blockchain - | 0:29:35 | 0:29:36 | |
is highly valuable. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
It is the security of
the system, and it manages | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
the supply of Bitcoin. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:41 | |
And one of the clever
things about blockchain, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
is that it is made to work
by a disparate set of self-appointed | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
custodians, called miners. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
The whole brilliance of blockchain
is how it creates scarcity | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
and security of Bitcoin,
while managing to reward miners | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
for making it all hold it together. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
The miners don't even have to go
underground or dirty their hands. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
Our technology editor, David
Grossman, has been looking more | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
closely at what they do. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:11 | |
Lost in a cryptocurrency maze,
which is pretty fitting, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
because cryptocurrencies,
like their most famous incarnation | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
Bitcoin, are based on extremely
complicated puzzles. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:34 | |
These puzzles are programmed
into the source code for Bitcoin. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
Roughly every ten minutes or so,
a new puzzle is released | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
and computers all over the world
race to solve it. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
Because the value of Bitcoin has
gone up so markedly over | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
the last year or so,
well, this activity has become | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
more and more popular. | 0:30:53 | 0:31:01 | |
It can be fabulously lucrative. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
It's called Bitcoin mining. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:05 | |
Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin don't
have a central register. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
Their strength comes from having
what is called a distributed ledger. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
It's a blockchain. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:12 | |
The blocks on the blockchain contain
details of every transaction | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
in the currency's history. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:16 | |
As new transactions happen,
they have to be placed in blocks | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
and added to the change. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:27 | |
-- the chain. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
A new block contains roughly 2500
new transactions and, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
to validate the new block,
each one contains the answer | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
to the puzzle from the last block. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:41 | |
Success. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
This is the work the Bitcoin miners
are doing and if they, like me, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:51 | |
succeed and solve the puzzle first,
well, their reward is 12 and a half | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
freshly released Bitcoin. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:56 | |
And then, well the whole process
starts again with a new puzzle. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:03 | |
The more computers and more
computing power that is actually | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
mining Bitcoin, the more secure
the network is from some type | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
of cyber attack or attempted theft. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
The Bitcoin miners are also
processing the transaction, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
so if I were to send a Bitcoin
to you, a miner would actually | 0:32:16 | 0:32:24 | |
verify that that transaction
was legitimate before it was added | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
to the blockchain, which is simply
a ledger of all the Bitcoin | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
transactions in existence. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
# Working in a coal mine,
going on down, down # | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
Working in a coal mine,
oops about to slip down.# | 0:32:37 | 0:32:43 | |
So what does Bitcoin mining
actually looked like? | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
Well, it is taking place
through those doors. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
I'm in a facility somewhere near
London, that's all I can tell you. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
We're not allowed to give
its precise location. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
You may be able to detect already
something about Bitcoin mining. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:04 | |
It's incredibly noisy and it's
about to get a whole lot noisier | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
when we go in there,
so we need these. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:14 | |
And the first thing you notice
in here is it's not only | 0:33:16 | 0:33:23 | |
extremely noisy, it's
extremely hot, as well. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:31 | |
Today's miners aren't
the grimy-faced men | 0:33:34 | 0:33:35 | |
of granite of the past. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
Today, they have
silk pocket squares. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
They produce around 100 decibels. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
It is basically like a jet
getting off the ground. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
Can you open it up
and we can have a look? | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
Absolutely, yes. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:53 | |
Don't show the combination! | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
So these are Bitcoin miners? | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
Vlad runs 63 mining computers. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:02 | |
It is like a hairdryer, isn't it? | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
This is, he says, a spectacularly
profitable enterprise. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
But... | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
Of course, there is no
guarantee in anything, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
even if you buy dollars or the euro,
there is no guarantee, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
because the price keeps
changing - its volatility. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:23 | |
You can guarantee your
result in Bitcoins. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
Basically you already know
the network difficulty. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:28 | |
You can keep track of it. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
You know the performance
of the miners and you know | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
your running costs,
so it is quite easy to calculate | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
your net profit in Bitcoin. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
What you don't know is the Bitcoin
exchange rate at any given time. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
So you of course depend
on Bitcoin's volatility. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
What is the profit
margin in an industry | 0:34:44 | 0:34:45 | |
like Bitcoin mining, now? | 0:34:45 | 0:34:46 | |
The profit margin, it doesn't really
matter where you are, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
you can be in the UK,
China, Iceland and other countries. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
But roughly, usually, your running
costs are about 25% of your revenue. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
Which makes a net profit of around
75%, which is a very high margin. | 0:34:54 | 0:35:00 | |
That's why lots of
people are in it now? | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
Yes, I think so. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:04 | |
There is huge concern
about how much energy is now | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
being spent Bitcoin mining. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:07 | |
All those computers churning
away all over the world. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
Estimates vary about how much
power they are using. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
Some say it's as much
as Monaco uses annually. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:20 | |
Others say it is the same
as Ireland's annual consumption. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
I think what gets missed off in this
conversation is that the costs | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
of other aspects of our financial
system - the mining of the metals | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
that go in into our coins. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
The operations of payment centres
and bank branches and ATMs, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
paper currency and shipping all this
around, is also consuming | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
a lot of electricity. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:39 | |
It has a pretty big
carbon footprint as well. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
When you compare Bitcoin's carbon
footprint to our current financial | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
system's carbon footprint,
it doesn't look quite as bad. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
The amount of energy used by Bitcoin
is going up and up - | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
partly because people are using more
and more powerful | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
computers for mining. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
The Bitcoin algorithm actually
adjusts the difficulty | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
of the problem to make sure it only
gets solved every ten minutes. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:05 | |
As the total computing power
engaged in mining goes up, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
so does the difficulty. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:15 | |
Nobody really expected it
would become such a big thing. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
So in the beginning you just had
people mining Bitcoin | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
with their laptops and computers,
so it was relatively | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
easy to get one. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
Mostly people are using Antminers,
which come from China. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:34 | |
They are kind of very optimised,
very powerful graphics cards, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
but only can do one task. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
They can only mine Bitcoins,
so you can't use them | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
for any other currencies,
apart from Bitcoin cash. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
So which direction is this
currency going now? | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
The only thing we can say for sure
is the Bitcoin mines | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
will fall silent one day. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:54 | |
Bitcoin source code only allows
the creation of 21 million Bitcoin, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
which, at the rate the puzzle
is being solved every ten | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
minutes, will hit in 2140. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
What a Bitcoin will be worth next
week is hard enough to predict, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
so who knows what the economics
of this cryptocurrency | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
will be by then? | 0:37:09 | 0:37:16 | |
South Africa is mourning
the death of Hugh Masekela. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
He was not just one of the old guard
of anti-apartheid campaigners who, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
exiled in 1990, stuck with the cause
and saw his homeland transformed. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:30 | |
He was also a legendary jazz
trumpeter who used his music to make | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
a political point. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:36 | |
Known as Bra Hugh in his home
country, he was 78 and died | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
of prostate cancer. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:41 | |
He'd been diagnosed in 2008,
and had been campaigning for men | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
to get regular check ups. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
So, we thought we'd close
the programme today by hearing | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
British jazz saxophonist and Radio 3
presenter, Soweto Kinch - | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
a friend, collaborator
and admirer of Masekele - | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
play out with a jazz tribute to him. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
But before we do, let's talk to him. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:02 | |
He was, I got muddled in my dates.
He was excised in 1960, all the way | 0:38:02 | 0:38:10 | |
through to 1990. An extraordinary
long time. He really was out of the | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
country. He actually managed to be a
very effective anti-apartheid | 0:38:14 | 0:38:20 | |
campaigner from outside. You have to
remember there were thousands of | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
X-Files just like him, not just
musicians but mechanics, lawyers and | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
doctors who cast away from their
native land and had to make do in | 0:38:28 | 0:38:33 | |
Mozambique, Nigeria. One thing that
struck me in the few shows I played | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
with him whether of former X | 0:38:37 | 0:38:43 | |
with him whether of former X --
exiles who had come to remember. The | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
story was he was using politically
charged music to motivate. What was | 0:38:50 | 0:38:57 | |
he doing? A lot has been spoken
about his political fight and being | 0:38:57 | 0:39:02 | |
an agitator. In my personal
interaction with him he was calm and | 0:39:02 | 0:39:08 | |
charming. There was a real fire
between his eyes but an ability to | 0:39:08 | 0:39:15 | |
galvanise people through sometimes
Joy and celebration is quite a | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
revolutionary act. I remember there
was a time when very ambivalent | 0:39:17 | 0:39:25 | |
attitudes towards the ANC existed in
the West and whether it was a good | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
force or a terrorist force. Maybe it
was that you were talking about. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:36 | |
Absolutely. I don't think the same
tension between terrorist and read | 0:39:36 | 0:39:41 | |
fight was there with people in the
diaspora. He was instrumental, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:49 | |
particularly in the song, Soweto
Blues, which was recorded to | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
commemorate what happened in 1976.
Instrumental in getting the story | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
out there. That is what I owe my
name to. The musical legacy, their | 0:39:57 | 0:40:04 | |
musical style, how would you
characterise it? He managed to | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
embody something we all strive for
as jazz musicians. It is about | 0:40:09 | 0:40:17 | |
finding their own voice and
articulating their own culture and | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
background. That is what he did. He
revolutionised the way phrasing was | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
done with the trumpet. Township jazz
is the phrase. You have been to | 0:40:25 | 0:40:33 | |
South Africa so many times they
named the township after you. True | 0:40:33 | 0:40:39 | |
story! You are going to play for us
now. Thank you for that. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:46 | |
That's it then for tonight. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:47 | |
Emily is here tomorrow
but here to play us out | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
with Hugh Masekela's Grazing
in the Grass, here's Soweto Kinch. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
Good night. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 |