News stories with Kirsty Wark. Including the Finsbury Park attacker jailed, the Ofsted chief on her Islam comments, the Tory Brexit row and will boxing ring girls be next to go?
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EDL founder Tommy Robinson's
writings were found
in Osborne's possession -
we'll ask him if he bears any
responsibility for the killing.
And we'll ask
if we are witnessing
a resurgence of the far right
Also tonight, religion in schools,
Ofsted chief Amanda Spielman's
comments have sparked
an angry debate.
She is playing divide and rule
politics with different faiths.
We'll talk to Ms Spielman
and discuss whether extremism has
spun out of control in some areas.
Also tonight - darts, Formula One.
Will the boxing ring
girls be the next to go?
We'll debate whether
women should fight
for their right to bare arms
and legs and the rest.
Darren Osborne was convicted of
murder and attempted murder today,
after deliberately driving a van
at a group of Muslim men
near Finsbury Park mosque
in London last June,
killing father-of-six Makram Ali
and injuring nine others.
The CPS prosecuted the case
as a terrorist offence
because Osborne's actions
were in order to advance
a political purpose.
Commander Dean Haydon,
head of Scotland Yard's
said the internet had played
a significant role in in fuelling
Osborne's "hate-filled agenda".
The trial heard that far-right
material online played a key part
in his radicalisation and,
in the lead-up to the June
attack, Osborne had searched online
for English Defence League founder
Tommy Robinson, and Britain First's
Jayda Fransen and Paul Golding.
I'll be talking to Robinson
in a moment or two, but first
here is John Sweeney.
The final murder of the summer had
echoes of the other attacks. A
killer radicalised online. A vehicle
marooned on pedestrians. And,
driving it all, hate. This attack
was by a far right fanatic out to
kill Muslims. -- vehicle knocked
down pedestrians. Darren Osborne
appears to have found hate after
watching this, a BBC miniseries
about systematic child abuse in
Rochdale. He went on-line searching
for far right website and followed,
amongst others, Tommy Robinson,
former leader of the English Defence
League. In this pub, the night
before the attack, he wrote a note
condemning men hunt in packs preying
on our children. The court heard
evidence he had become brainwashed.
Darren Osborne, over four weeks in
the lead up to the attack, became,
in my mind, radicalised. It started
with him watching a TV documentary
drama in relation to six abuse in
Rochdale. That, we believe, was the
catalyst for the start of his
radicalisation. -- sex abuse in
His plan was to kill the
Labour Party leader at a
demonstration. The QC questioned,
were you hoping that you would have
an opportunity to attack Jeremy
Corbyn and kill him?
He could not get close to the
demonstration and drove around
London until he found another
target. This is the moment of
impact, when he drove into a crowd
near the Finsbury Park mosque.
Darren Osborne has been convicted of
murder and attempted murder. Nine
people were injured in the attack.
Seven months on it is worth noting
one other commonality between the
fanatics of so-called Islamic State
and the far right, in their goal of
turning Britain apart they have
failed. -- caring Britain apart.
As you heard there, police have
commented on the speed
at which Osborne was radicalised.
The court heard he had been seeking
out far-right material online
in the weeks before he carried
out his attack.
Among the material he read and saved
were tweets from the man
known as Tommy Robinson -
the former leader of
the English Defence League.
I spoke to Robinson
earlier and I asked him
if he accepted any responsibility
for the radicalisation
of Darren Osborne.
No, of course I don't. I'm insulted
you asking me that. What I cannot
understand is the narrative in the
media this week, every headline has
a picture of me. I did not know this
man, I don't know this man, I did
not direct message him, which is a
lie that has been put out on social
Not the BBC.
Yes, on the BBC.
All of the media said I said Tim
direct messages on Twitter. That is
a lie. -- sent him direct messages.
I work for a media company in
Canada. The problem I have is that
when we are talking about what has
radicalised this man, we had 512
people injured and children blown to
pieces. 48 injured, nine murdered.
49 injured and eight people
murdered. We had all of this in a
five-week barrier. You'd think what
everybody is trying to do is to make
it to the Mac that he was invited to
a silent march.
There is evidence he
was looking you up a lot on the
Internet. -- make it down to the
fact he was. You tweeted, where was
the day of rage after terrorist
attacks, all I saw was lighted
candles. Emerson bombed our kids, we
were told not to look back in anger.
-- a Muslim bombed.
Will you put a
screen shot of that? You have taken
it out of context. After Grenfell
Tower happened far left
organisations had a day of rage
planned. They had leaflets for it.
You have that leaflet. But you have
purposely left it out of it and you
are making it sound like I said
that. I was showing the hypocrisy in
this country. Would you have done is
misrepresent the truth of the tweet.
When a Muslim bombed our
kids we were told not to look back
in anger, what was the purpose of
that? That was on the dashboard of
Darren Osborne's van when he
He wrote the reasons why
he done this. Why aren't we talking
about that? I'll tell you why.
obsessively look you up online. That
is all I am saying.
terrorists marched through our
country today. There was a march.
You are the BBC News. You didn't
report on that March.
Do you accept
there is a lot of hate speech about
Chris you didn't report
Do you take any responsibility for
that being hate speech?
Do you think
I'm asking you.
Muslims in this country calling for
the death of homosexuals. That is
hate speech. Me saying don't look
back in anger is not hate speech.
Why do you think that he obsessively
looked for you online? It is the
case that you were presenting in a
way that encouraged him to take
action against people.
unbelievable you are saying that. 49
million people watched that video.
The reason why people were searching
for me is because I give them the
truth. Unlike you.
truth. Unlike you.
Fact is, after he
attacked outside Finsbury Mosque. He
wrote a letter. In that letter he
quoted your tweet.
No he didn't.
was heard in court.
viewers, read what he said. He
quoted Sadiq Khan. He is a part and
parcel of living in a big city. He
quoted Jeremy Corbyn.
He quoted you
in his letter.
No, he didn't.
were told not to look back in anger.
He said don't look back in anger.
The front page of the sun newspaper,
after the Manchester attack, was
don't look back in anger. He quoted
a national newspaper.
Do you deny he
quoted you in anyway?
quote me. Why are you not looking at
the reasons. Why are you not looking
at the fact we have three massive
That is not what
this is about.
This is the reason
why he has done it.
It is about the
rise of far right mainstream.
He was radicalised
in four weeks.
I'm embarrassed for
the BBC. We have three terrorist
attacks in quick succession. Rather
than talking about those and why he
reacted he told you why he reacted,
you want to put it on the fact that
I report the truth.
attacks are appalling.
You do not
think they are anything to do with
the reason why he done this? You
think it is because I said don't
look back in anger?
there are contributing factors, he
was radicalised online.
The police said that he
obsessively looked at your, looked
for you online and quoted your
tweets. That's a fact.
His wife said
he was radicalised after that BBC
documentary. Why don't you sit the
producer of that documentary down
and ask if he feels responsible? You
Is what Darren Osborne did
appalling and reprehensible?
course, what sort of silly question
is that? He has knocked down in the
street. It also would the BBC is BBC
is doing is disgusting and
irresponsible as a media outlet.
Thanks very much.
Joining me now is Fiyaz Mughal,
who founded Measuring
Anti-Muslim Attacks -
a group which monitors anti-muslim
activity and supports
those affected by it.
Good evening. Do you think there is
growing concern about aggression on
the far right?
Absolutely. Over the
last five years my group has been
clearly making the case that there
has been an enormous amount of
anti-Muslim hatred and anti-Muslim
material being pumped out by groups
and individuals, which has been on
the online space and easy to find.
Much of this rhetoric, the issue of
calling Muslims generally
paedophiles, people who prey on
women, this generalisation, creates
mindsets which sadly we have seen
today to kill in our streets.
these are put up online. And clearly
offensive. How quickly can you get
We cannot get them down.
We've been having these discussions
with social media outlets for six
years. There is a lazy approach by
these agencies to remove materials.
They say free speech means counter
speech will flood out the negative
messages. They give this grandiose
view which is unrealistic.
is... If you want to call it on both
sides of this divide, and it's a
horrible thing to say, but it isn't
all one-way traffic.
It isn't. Tommy
Robinson is a result of anti-Muslim
extremism. He promotes division in
this country. He has the gall to sit
here and says he has nothing to do
with issues is a problem.
you see it? On the online space,
posters, do you hear it on the
streets? Where do you think it is
In the online space.
Less so on the streets. The EDL's
back has been broken. That was
evident in 2012 when they fractured
and fragmented 2013. The online
space is toxic. Social media
companies are not providing
resources for counter speech. And
they are not listening. If they do
not take off material that is
causing fractures in our community
then there needs to be some redress
and measure to make them change
their macro behaviour.
you say it has been six years since
you have been trying to have some
degree of responsibility with online
providers. -- change their
behaviour. What else can you do to
alter the atmosphere?
To alter it we
need positive messaging. We need
good role models. We need positive
images of Muslims playing a positive
role in our country consistently. We
need fewer voices and less oxygen
given to people like Robinson and
his ilk who pour out of these
messages and take no responsibility
for the fractures and divisions they
Those fractions and deep --
fractures and deep divisions, you
get them from all sectors of
society. How do you count it from
not just the far right, but the far
left, and different religious
Lots of work has been
done on the Islamist side. We tackle
this issue daily. What we are saying
is that what people like Robinson
and the fractures he creates.
very much indeed.
Theresa May met China's President Xi
today on the latest
stage of her trip.
Certain corners of the UK were
celebrating after the Prime Minister
used the trip to secure the Scotch
whisky trademark for another decade.
But away from trade,
it's been a week of politics
dominated by Brexit.
Today, battle lines were drawn
between London and Brussels
when Mrs May announced she would be
tough on migrants entering Britain
during the transition period.
But, tonight, the battle was closer
to home, as a row exploded
with her government.
Our political editor
Nick Watt is here.
Yet another round.
story in the EFTA saying Theresa
May's advisers are looking into
whether the UK could work up a
customs deal with the European Union
that would cover goods -- financial
Times. Downing Street saying this is
not going on. I spoke to a Brexit
Minister, Brexit leading minister
who said if you do that it is not a
coherent trade policy because you
could not sign your own trade deals
and this plays into the row about
the customs union and the fear among
Brexiteers that civil servants are
skewing evidence and reports to walk
ministers towards one conclusion
which is we have to stay in the
customs union. Brexit Minister Steve
Baker appeared in the Commons to
give some support to that view and
around the time he was speaking, Sir
Jeremy Heywood, the Cabinet
Secretary, popped up on Twitter and
looks like he was responding to
something Steve Baker said when he
said civil servants are always
wrong. He said...
Steve Baker apologised this evening
for his comments in the House of
Commons today and indicated he had
sort of misquoted Charles Grant, the
director of the Centre For European
Reform who he said had given the
impression civil servants were
skewing things in the direction of
the customs union.
This is what we
think is going on but what else is
happening behind the scenes?
is real concern among Brexit
backbenchers and leaning ministers
that that leaked a BuzzFeed that
says UK civil servants as every
option in Brexit makes us poor, they
have two fears, one Eurosceptic Tory
said the civil service out of
control and doing their own thing or
has Theresa May given the authority
to do this and not telling anyone,
and this is what the Eurosceptic
Tory said, if this is what the Prime
Minister is doing, this is how you
kick off a civil war in one easy
Today, Ofsted's Chief Inspector
threw her full weight behind
the head teacher of a predominantly
Muslim state primary school
in London who banned the hijab
for girls under the age of eight -
a move that resulted
in the resignation of the chair
of governors who had originally
supported the ban.
Today in a speech at a Church
of England conference,
Amanda Spielman said that schools
had to pursue "muscular liberalism,"
and that inspectors
are increasingly brought
into contact with those
who want to actively pervert
the purpose of education.
Strong words - but strong words too
from the Muslim Council
of Great Britain who called the ban
"appalling" and discriminatory.
Here's our political
editor Nick Watt.
It is one of the great European
debates. Just where should religion
and fit in our public spaces? The
secular state of France has a simple
view. No religious symbols in any
area associated with the state.
Across the channel and on the other
side of the spectrum Britain has
traditionally allowed religion a
place at the heart of its public
sphere, generally on its terms.
Close to one of England's grandest
cathedral is the Chief Inspector of
Schools declared neither view is
right today. Amanda Spielman hailed
the role of faith schools at a
tolerant society but told her
audience in London that those values
of respect and tolerance cannot be
used to place all belief beyond
Ofsted inspectors are
increasingly brought into contact
with those who want to actively
perverts the purpose of education
under the pretext of religious
belief they use education
institutions to narrow young
people'shorizons, and in the worst
cases to indoctrinate impressionable
minds with extremist ideology.
She added... The chief Inspector's
mornings were mainly aimed at
Islamic extremists although she has
concerns about intolerance in other
faiths. In her mind she believes it
is important to tackle extremist
ideology as well as extremist
violence. She has some sympathy for
Michael Gove's phrase about the
importance of draining the swamp and
not just beating back the crocodiles
that come close to the boat. The
former Education Secretary was
speaking in 2014 at the height of a
dispute with the Home Office in the
wake of the so-called Trojan horse
row about extremism in Birmingham
schools. Today Amanda Spielman
praised a London headteacher who try
to stop young girls from wearing the
hijab and she spoke of reticence
among some church schools to
challenge fundamentalist practices,
as she cited a Tower Hamlets school
that lost its outstanding rating in
2014 after failing to respond
adequately to warnings about
It means by making sure
being anxious to do the right thing
we do not do the wrong thing. We
have to make sure we have tolerance
and respect for all faiths in
schools but we can accidentally go
so far we find ourselves bringing
community tensions into schools.
is recklessly playing divide and
rule politics with different faiths.
There are big questions. Also, it is
not just the divide and rule but the
singling out and demonisation of
Muslim communities that most of
third sector organisations are
of all faiths and none will be
skipping, walking or dragging their
feet to school in the morning.
Little do they know they lie at the
heart of a passionate debate about
the values of their country.
Amanda Speilman is with me now.
Can I quote something from your
speech today, you said Ofsted
inspectors of increasingly brought
into contact with those who actively
perverts the purpose of education.
What do you mean? There are schools
in the state sector and independent
schools, where we find
unsatisfactory things being taught.
I have talked before about the kinds
of books, not just in libraries but
being taught from, encouraging
husbands to beat their wives. Those
things are simply not compatible.
They are presumably a minority of
schools? Quite a small minority but
we are also coming across evidence
there are tensions in communities,
often between different parts of the
same faith, for example, tensions
between those Muslims who like very
young girls to wear their hijab and
those who do not and we see the
tensions imported into schools so
part of our responsibility is to
make sure all children have the
right educational experience.
make it clear we are not just
talking about the Muslim faith but
unfortunately, are there more issues
there than for example in Anglican
schools, civic schools?
It is very
hard, I do not have numbers but we
see it in schools of all faiths.
There are fantastic schools of every
faith and no face and there are
schools that cause concern in every
We can turn to the primary
school in new in east London. You
talk about what is happening and the
response to the hijab ban as a
matter of regret and what you said
in your speech today was this school
introduced a ban on young girls
under eight wearing the hijab and
you strongly supported the
headteacher in her freedom to do
This is the kind of thing I
was warning about last year, which
got attention at the time. It was
represented as being Islamophobic
but it is not. This is concern about
bringing adult pressures and
disagreements to bear on young
children in primary schools.
interested because this new primary
School is outstanding academically
and presuming it had an outstanding
report before you brought inspectors
in yesterday and has achieved a lot.
If that is the case, why do you
think you have to step in and say
what this teacher is doing is
correct if the school is thriving?
We look not just at educational
outcome, we have to look at the
personal development and welfare of
children and if we see things that
suggest any kind of bullying, that
is what inspectors look at. They
talk to children and get a sense of
whether the culture, pressures in
the school are as they should be.
suppose you could say that if you
have said in a major speech you back
the teacher because wearing the
hijab for under eightis wrong for
the school, is this something you
think you could say wearing the
hijab after puberty is right. I
think I support the idea that no
child under eight should wear the
hijab, or is it simply this school?
The point is that the headteacher
made a decision. On what basis? On
the basis it is the responsibility
of the head to set uniform policy.
What was her reason for not allowing
kids under eight to wear the hijab?
That is before puberty and there is
no religious requirement, it is a
So that school
is one thing, and another another
thing. Taking a position on this,
are you stepping into an area where
actually you would rather was
devolved to headteachers in the
This is our concern.
When we see a school is being
bullied. The school took the
decision some months ago. The policy
has been running for a while but
when it attracted media attention
great pressure was brought to bear,
not in the immediate community.
put inspectors in yesterday. I
wonder if the outcome could be
anti-theft local to a lot of Muslims
who would say we would rather we
have this policy. You could conflate
what could be seen as conservatism
On the contrary.
There are different issues. It is so
important that schools... Schools
have a responsibility to promote
cohesion in a diverse world. They
can never give every parent exactly
what they want but they have to take
sensible decisions for the benefit
of all children. I am concerned when
I see the schools losing authority
to take the right decisions.
a new Education Secretary. I wonder
if you would like to see that
Education Secretary press ahead with
a revived grammar School programme
given it was in the Conservative
That is something that
was in the manifesto. It is not
something I have taken a position
on. My job is to inspect schools.
you think the addition of grammar
schools would be valuable?
not something I have expressed an
opinion on before and I'm not going
We can discuss this further.
I'm joined here in the studio
by Gita Sahgal, founder
of the center for Secular Space
and Sajid Gulzar -
chief executive and executive head
of Prince Albert Community Trust,
which currently runs three
schools in Birmingham.
Good evening. What message do you
think Amanda Spielman is giving by
I think any school
needs to be free to set its own
uniform policy. There is no
requirement for Muslim girls of the
age of eight and below to wear the
hijab, but equally, I am not sure
how the banning of the hijab fits in
with the British value of mutual
respect and tolerance for all
In your school, would girls
of any age be allowed to wear the
hijab, would anyone who wants to
wear something of a religious nature
a cross or what ever, be allowed to
Within reason. We have
many Muslim girls who wear the hijab
and many who do not. In my almost 20
years in education I have not come
across any community tensions
between those who do or do not. We
have families where you might have
sisters who send their children to
the school, one wearing the hijab,
one not. It has never been a
Do you think mutual tolerance,
allowing people to wear what they
wish and when, is a good thing for
I think we are
confusing the issue of growing
fundamentalism with tolerance.
Amanda Spielman, when she gave the
speech in front of the Church of
England audience in considered
words, did suggest faith schools are
not talking to each other
necessarily, the church is not
fundamentalists in their midst and
that the church is hindering the
registration of the inspection of
unregistered schools. So this
problem is wider than that of
Muslims. When we look at the issue
of tolerance, we cannot narrow it to
the issue of the hijab. I think the
promotion of the hijab, and this has
not just happened because of
individual choices, there has been a
policy led by the Muslim Council of
Britain to promote the hijab in
mainstream schools. Many schools
have adopted it as a policy when it
has been completely unrecognised in
traditional Muslim culture.
traditional Muslim culture.
talking about freedom to choose?
There is a freedom to choose, and
often within families girls dress
There may be a
difference in families. What we are
seeing in the promotion of very
young children, not only wearing the
hijab, but the promotion of fasting.
St school under fire, the school in
Newham, they had not banned fasting.
Children were fainting in school,
sometimes staff were, that is a
health and safety issue.
have any proof for that. -- the
school under fire, the school in
I don't think he was lying
when he made that claim.
certain things within your school
that you say are not acceptable?
Would fasting be acceptable? Are
there other things that you say,
this is the curriculum, this is the
way I run my school, this is what I
The point is one of dialogue and
working with the community you
serve, regardless of what faith
background, or cultural persuasion
that community is. We take a stance
on fasting. We strongly discourage
children to fast, particularly if it
is very long, which it has been in
recent years. We have asked the
imams to come in and discuss it with
the parents. When there is
discussion it is OK. The discussion
of the hijab, that is certainly
outside my experience of being a
head teacher responsible for several
schools in Birmingham. It is not
something I have come across in
Birmingham. I do not know of any
promotion of the hijab in that
respect at all.
respect at all.
The trust, the one
that was responsible for the mixed
sex school, it was a body that
actually wrote regulations for it.
It is only fair to put it to you.
What you say about that?
right. I didn't catch your name. You
absolutely use your role as they
head to decide what is and isn't
acceptable. And to set boundaries.
You discourage fasting. That's your
responsibility as they head to make
Are the decisions
of head teachers being eroded?
is what we saw at Saint Stephens. A
policy which had been put in place
for some months. Not liked by all
parents but accepted. Outside groups
came in and put pressure on the
school to reverse the policy. They
were not part of the school
Will you be on their
macro case? Are you going to follow
this through to get a good
atmosphere in the school? -- will
you be on their case?
All we can do
is report on what we find. That is
why we visited the school, so that
we can report.
Thanks very much
Should young women be employed
in the service of a sport
to promote and enhance
the atmosphere around
Until recently the answer was yes -
for Formula One and darts amongst
But the mood has changed in light
of the me too campaign
and the Presidents Club.
Such is the furore around
yesterday's announcement that F1's
"grid girls" will go,
and this debate has gained currency
in a whole host of sports
and encompasses everything
from banner waving to
counting out the rounds
in boxing, to cheerleading.
So what next?
I'm joined in the studio
by former Formula 1
journalist Beverley Turner.
And in Glasgow by Victoria Obahor,
who works in the boxing
world as a "ring girl"
and is worried her job might
be under threat.
Good evening. Victoria, do you think
boxing is about to ban ring girls?
hope not. The opinions of people
saying it should be banned is
diabolical. It is absurd.
you do as a ring girl?
I scored the
boxes into the ring. I tell the
audience what the next round is...
It is fun, it is part of the show,
exciting, glamorous. -- I escort the
boxs into the ring.
Do you think it
is part of the entertainment?
This is somebody earning a living,
doing what she wants to do. Why do
you have such a problem with that?
It is not that I necessarily have a
problem with it. We must remember
that the girls in Formula 1 have not
been banned. The Formula 1
organisation has decided that that
image of women as the
image of women as the totty no
longer represents the brand. And
quite right. Long gone are the days
of the women being the icing. It
sends a powerful message to the next
But these are women who
are earning a living, doing what
they enjoy coming you might say the
same of any other entertainer.
an entertainment business. And in
entertainment no job is secure. This
isn't about feminism, taking these
women's jobs away from them.
To some extent but it is about the
owners of Formula 1 who are
conspicuous by their macro -- by
their absence in this debate.
Ecclestone said it was a ridiculous
thing. That might be a generational
thing. The conversation started with
Formula 1. What do you think of the
idea that there will be no more
I think it is a shame.
-- no more grid girls. I think it is
political correctness gone mad.
you ever had inappropriate behaviour
towards you or any of the other
women who work with you?
whatsoever. It is fun. Everybody is
there for a good show that the
boxers put on and ourselves walking
in the ring. We are not doing any
harm to anybody. People have their
opinions, but it's me, it's my
income, and I love doing it and I
want to keep doing it.
Do you get
power from doing it?
that it is degrading. It isn't. I
have worked hard for the way I look,
my body, and if I want to express
myself in that way then fair enough.
She's right, isn't she?
think so. I'm not saying that she
couldn't do any other job. I'm quite
surprised by the outpouring of
sympathy from a lot of middle-aged
men who have clearly been worried
about the long-term career prospects
of these girls. Strangely they are
not interested in the long term
career prospects of female drivers,
of which there are none.
are female boxers. You are saying
women shouldn't be there for the
entertainment purposes of
essentially a male sport. NFL is
about to kick off. All of the
adverts have the cheerleaders.
Cheerleaders are completely
gymnasts. You and I couldn't do what
they do. You and I could hold a
number up in a boxing ring. -- they
What you think about
That's ridiculous. We are all
doing a job. Whether we are athletic
or not. I'm doing a job as well as
them. I do not get your views on
that at all.
Do you think male
attitudes are changing? Men are now
saying for themselves, actually,
this is not to do with the sport any
more, maybe they have daughters,
It is totally that. We
have so many images of women in the
palms of our hand. You no longer
have to go to a Formula 1 race to
get a glimpse of a woman on the
tarmac. Those days are gone.
asking... Women are patronising
other women about the decisions and
choices they make.
It's not about
patronising other women. I want my
daughters and my son to grow up with
a very good view of what it is to be
a woman. I don't want them to grow
up thinking we only judge women by
what they look like. In Formula 1
and boxing, the women...
What do you
That's my prerogative. You
don't want your children, for
instance your daughter, to do that
then that is up to you. But my
mother is proud of me when I go up
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