02/03/2018 Newsnight


02/03/2018

With Emily Maitlis. Theresa May's speech sets out the government's Brexit vision. Plus why can't we build a proper snowman out of the snow covering the UK at the moment?


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I want to be straight with people.

Life is going to be different. We

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all need to face up to some hard

facts. We are leaving the single

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market.

Oh my god, oh my god, oh my

God! No!

Some of these ideas depend

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on technology. Robust systems to

ensure trust and confidence as well

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as goodwill. As frictionless a

border as possible. If this is

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cherry picking, then every trade

arrangement is cherry picking.

Are

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we there yet? Is a seeking a new

path through the Brexit blizzard. We

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dedicate to Mike's programme to

asking if she is on the right track.

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Good evening.

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A few hard facts.

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A bit of soft fudge.

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And a warning to everyone

they would have to compromise.

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Theresa May was speaking

today to her own sceptics

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as much as she was speaking

to the naysayers of Europe.

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If everyone or no-one ends up happy,

then perhaps her job is done.

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The tone today was markedly

different from a year ago.

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Then, she promised us

the same benefits in terms

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of free access to trade.

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Today, she warned starkly that

life after the single

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market would be different.

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Less sunlit upland, more hard graft.

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The cake has not so much been eaten,

as ground up into crumbs.

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And now we're just trying to squeeze

them back together into something

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that resembles an offering.

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As for the Ireland question,

Theresa May suggested

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the border would be

as frictionless as possible.

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We'll explore what that means later.

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The PM offered herself today

as a pragmatist putting

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options on the table.

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Will Europe's negotiators bite?

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Here's our political

editor, Nick Watt.

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August, thoughtful, though at times

perhaps a little intimidating.

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Peering down at Theresa May were

grand figures from the ancient

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world, a reminder if one were needed

that the stakes are high. Today,

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Theresa May set out her vision for

the UK's future relationship with

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the EU at the Mansion house in the

City of London. Criticised for

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indulging Brexit supporters, the

Prime Minister issued a warning that

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they may not be entirely happy.

I

want to be straight with people

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because the reality is that we all

need to face up to some hard facts.

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We are leaving the single market.

Life is going to be different.

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Life is going to be different. In

certain ways our access to each

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other's markets will be less than it

is now. How could the EU structure

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of rights and obligations be

sustained if the UK or any country

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were allowed to enjoy all the

benefits without all of the

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obligations?

APPLAUSE

So a warm reception for Theresa May

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from the city

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from the city elite who just sat

through a speech which did mark a

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marked change in tone from the Prime

Minister. Four months she's tiptoed

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around Brexit supporters are gently

suggesting there will be challenges

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they'll need to accept over Brexit.

But today she set out what she

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described as a series of hard facts

they will have to accept as she

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negotiates Britain's exit from the

EU. Those hard facts about Brexit

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are... European law will still have

an effect in the UK. Leaving the

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single market will have an impact on

the economy. No take it or leave it

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approach on the Irish border. And

making binding commitments to remain

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in step with the EU in some areas.

David Davis Kumar you going to have

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to use all your renowned skills as a

diplomat to sell these hard facts to

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your fellow Brexiteers?

I don't

think so. The simple fact is, go ask

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Boris, ask the other Brexiteers the

Cabinet if you like. What the centre

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of this is is parliament will always

have a say. Today the rules come

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down

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down through the European

Parliament, doesn't really have a

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proper site. This time I'll have a

say, and they will exercise that say

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in the knowledge and the consequent

is one way or another. Will it give

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us access or not.

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us access or not. That is what every

country will do, that's what will

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deliver the best outcome for Britain

in the long run.

Lest any Brexit

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support of year-to-date marks

betrayal, the Prime Minister warned

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the EU that it, too, needs to hard

facts. Her fundamental vision for

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Brexit remains unchanged. After the

single market and Customs union. No

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direct save for the European Court

of Justice over the UK. These are

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balanced by a call for the UK to

forge the deepest possible

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partnership with the EU, possibly

including associate membership of

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some of its regulatory bodies.

Brexit supporters gave the speech a

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guarded welcome. Anne-Marie

Trevelyan, if you were Prime

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Minister is this the speech he would

have given?

It was a very aromatic

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speech. I'm not try would have given

it, I'm not in that position, I had

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to plough through these incredibly

complex sort of departmental

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de-radicalise to see where we sit

and what it looks like. It was a

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very pragmatic speech talking to our

European partners.

Remain supporters

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were unimpressed.

What strikes me as

we are almost two for years on from

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the European referendum on the Prime

Minister is still trying to hammer

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out the details about what leaving

the European Union means. What

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struck me today was the focus wasn't

on negotiations with the commission,

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wasn't with getting the best deal or

protecting public services, it was

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trying to hold that fragile

coalition together in the

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Conservative Party, which is being

led around by the hard right.

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Sparse, that has been the EU

complaint until now, about Britain's

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vision for its future relationship

with Brussels. Today, Theresa May

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fill that space.

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Well, we did ask the government

for a minister to evangelise

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for Theresa May's speech,

but nobody was available.

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Brussels was rather more forthcoming

- Vice President of the European

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Parliament Mairead Macguinnes

joins me now.

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Thanks very much for your time this

evening, Mairead Macguinnes. This

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was quite conciliatory, did you find

it a reasonable pitch that you could

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work with?

Well I think I'm glad the

speech was made.

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speech was made. It's a lengthy

speech that needs to be studied but

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it had many audiences and I think

that is perhaps the most interesting

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point of this. Much of it I think

towards the Conservative Party. I'm

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glad there is some reality dawning

the Brexiteers and indeed within the

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Cabinet. As to what leaving the

single market and Customs union

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actually means. I think it needs

further analysis but on balance I'm

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happy the speech is made. There are

many areas I remain very concerned

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about. I do worry that the United

Kingdom wants to jump ahead of

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further negotiations of where they

are at. Of course we need to know

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what framework of relationship we

will have, but I'm also concerned we

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haven't agreed a withdrawal text at

this stage. Nor a transition period.

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We now have this speech. I've always

been minded to say that while

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speeches are important particularly

in terms of the political climate in

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the United Kingdom, they are not

negotiating documents. They don't

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match what we have at EU level. We

will need a document.

I want to get

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out of the specifics of the speech,

she talked in detail about the

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Northern Ireland border, wanting to

make it as frictionless as possible

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with technology and goodwill. Does

it ring the right chord for you?

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Well I don't see much strange

really. I do welcome the

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acknowledgement there will be no

hard border, I think that was very

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important. I regret it's necessary

that this has to be said but I would

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add concerned this is not just a

transactional issue on the border.

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We're not dealing with a normal

border if you like, this is a border

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that has history and geography and

politics behind it. There is a peace

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agreement that is international. I

would be concerned about the idea we

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can have small firms, trade as they

are today... That misses the point

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why we in the Republic of Ireland,

this is shared by our EU partners,

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are so concerned there will not be a

difference to the relationship we

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have today.

What is wrong with it?

I

would like Theresa May to think

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little more deeply, to think more

deeply about the consequences. Our

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shared membership of the European

Union has facilitated a situation

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where even the nationalist community

can accept they are part of the

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United Kingdom because they're free,

we are all within the same space,

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single market Customs union. Even

with what is in the speech today,

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for somebody like me who travels

through Northern Ireland all the

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time, there could be an impact

because objects that may happen

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along the way. I'm trying to move

beyond the idea this is just an

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infrastructure or lack of issue.

It's about the psychological issue.

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Let me take you on. We don't have

long. Some of the other things she

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was talking about, the associate

membership. Some of the EU agencies.

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Is it something the European

Parliament, that the EU, would

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welcome?

I think that is being

pushed by industry in the United

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Kingdom and I'm very glad to see for

the first time very concrete

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realities again dawning in the

United Kingdom, that leading

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regulatory agencies will impact on

business in the United Kingdom and

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patients. While there are people

like Norway part of many of our

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agencies and our value -- are

valued. If the United Kingdom wants

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that there is a price to be paid and

the Prime Minister has acknowledged

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that. And value to be gained from

that as well. I would hope on those

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issues we could make progress but it

would be part of an overall package.

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And remember that the red lines are

still very heavily red, leaving the

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single market and Customs union.

There is then a sense, adding laid

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out those red lines, of saying, on

the other hand we like what the EU

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has created in a whole range of

issues. As I read this its a bit

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like saying, look, we want to be

part of the European Union but don't

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want to be called part of the

European Union.

On that note we'll

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leave it.

Let's hope it move things

forward and if it does I welcome

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that.

Thank you, appreciate your

time, sorry to squeeze you.

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Joining me now, cmmitted

Conservative Brexiteer,

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John Redwood.

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It feels like we're saying we want

to be part of the EU but don't want

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to call it the EU, it's everything

but in name.

I don't think she is

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understood the speech and I think

the speech was primarily aimed at

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the European Union Prime Minister

rightly ended by saying, let's get

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on with it, a message to the

European Union. One of the problems

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is this ridiculous idea that you

have to negotiate something called a

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withdrawal agreement first. Before

you can go on to discuss your future

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partnership.

Let me bring you onto

the vision in this speech. This was

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a very different vision, to become

associate member of agencies, to

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carry on paying into those parts

that wants to belong. Having to have

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a relationship with the ECJ. Does

that work for you?

I don't think

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it's new at all, it was there in the

Lancaster house speech when the

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original ideas Brexiteers had.

Not

the idea we be associated with all

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the different bodies of agencies,

medicine, chemistry, aviation.

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During the referendum campaign we

often said something like Erasmus,

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which is a programme for students

that goes beyond the EU anyway, is

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the kind of thing which, if they

were sensible terms for doing it,

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why wouldn't we carry on?

Regulatory

agency, a sort of exchange

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programme. I'm asking whether you

find that contradictory to what you

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felt you were getting.

Not at all.

It would have to be very clear that

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it doesn't put us under the control

of the EU and if there is any

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payment, it's a proportionate

payment to the cost, it would save

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us money setting up our own body

because the other option is to set

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up our own body to do exactly the

same thing. We would need to

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evaluate one against the other. Very

third order issue. You're trying to

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make problems where there aren't

problems. The problem the EU now has

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its every time the UK Government

puts forward something decent, often

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very generous, they throw it back in

our face. They have no serious

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interest, it seems, in negotiating

free trade agreement or a

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wide-ranging economic partnership.

The British people are getting

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mighty fed up with this. Why would

we want to be at all generous over

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their so-called withdrawal agreement

if there is absolutely nothing

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forthcoming. I hope for the sake of

the country on the Prime Minister

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they read the speech again, realise

it was asking them to engage

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seriously now to have a

comprehensive agreement.

They think

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she's got her head in the sand.

There is no way the British

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Parliament people will sign up to

their withdrawal agreement, that

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dreadful draft they sent us, without

there being something really good on

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the end of it.

You say there is no

way, you think there is still a no

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Deal option on the table. A lot of

people thought she was moving

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towards compromise, she was saying,

it's going to be tough. It wasn't

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the speech she made a year ago in

March when she said, we'll have that

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continued...

The EU is moving very

strongly to no Deal. As you just

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heard it's very representative of EU

responses, everything the Prime

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Minister has generously put forward

his two little or they don't agree.

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You think no Deal is most likely.

If

they change their attitude of course

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we end up with no Deal.

You wouldn't

mind that.

I've always thought no

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Deal gives me four of the five

things as a Brexiteer I want, we

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don't pay them any money, we can

spend it all on our priorities, we

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can have our own trade policy and do

our own trade deals.

Is she wasting

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her time?

Do you not want to hear

all the advantages?

I understand...

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We can make our own laws and control

our own borders.

I've heard the

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argument before. Would we like free

trade agreement? Yes, it might be in

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their interest as well. A deal that

is better than no Deal is of course

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possible. But if the EU is not

prepared at any point to say, yes,

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we want a free trade deal, then

these talks are going to be very

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difficult. Do you think Theresa

May's red lights have gone now?

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Which talks about the need for

compromise and hard facts and

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choices, do you think those red

lines have been eroded now and it's

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up to the EU to start moving towards

us?

I think the Prime Minister has

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been extremely friendly and generous

and positive towards the EU and she

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wants now some response from the

country, the country needs a

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response from them. Otherwise there

won't be a deal. I don't think she

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has eroded the key red lines, she's

made very clear, as the EU used to

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be very clear, you can't stay in the

customs union and single market if

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you are leaving the EU. She's made

it very clear we want our own

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independent trade policy which you

can't have in the or a customs

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union. I don't think the customs

union exists. All the things Mr

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Corbyn wants are clearly

non-negotiable and the EU will say

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no.

John Redwood thank you very much

indeed for coming in.

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Of course the speech Theresa May

made this afternoon had an eye

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on her European audience,

reminding those we're leaving

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that its also in Europe's best

interest to keep relations as smooth

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and as close as possible.

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Is that how Europe sees it?

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The first tweeted responses from EU

negotiators suggested not -

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and as Mark Urban explains,

the response is unlikely

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to be unified.

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I am afraid that the UK position

today is based on pure illusion.

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It looks like the cake

fillers of a still life.

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The warning was clear enough -

don't try to cherry pick.

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Yet that is exactly

what Theresa May did today.

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Why?

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Because many in Whitehall don't

quite believe the EU's rhetoric,

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thinking it's a negotiating stance,

and that some countries want to put

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business ahead of dogma.

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Those closest have the most

integrated economies with the UK,

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but for the moment, France

and Ireland in particular,

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are taking a tough

line on Brexit issues.

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Further afield, the V4

or Visegrad Group -

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Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic

and Slovakia - are critical

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of the Commission and favour

a softer line on Brexit.

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Some of the Scandinavians also

favour a conciliatory approach,

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but who to lead this block

of moderates when Germany

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in particular argues that the EU's

rules must be defended vigorously?

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Quite a lot of member states

to a greater or lesser extent

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would like a broader relationship,

a deeper relationship involving

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more economic activity,

more trade investment between the EU

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and the UK.

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However the British should not

in my view get too excited

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about these nuances around the 27,

because although a lot

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of Governments as I said

would like a broader relationship

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than that which Barnier

seems to be pushing for,

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the French and Germans

and the Commission are very

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powerful, very dominant.

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So what are the chances

of a champion emerging,

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to challenge the Germans,

in the interests of keeping

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trade with the UK sweet?

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Probably quite slim.

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Why indeed should any country

want to organise others

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in the UK's interests?

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But if there is one possible

pragmatist in chief, it's

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Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte,

who has today questioned

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the federalist ambitions

of some in Europe.

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The European Union is not

many my view an unstoppable train,

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speeding towards federalism.

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Brexit shows that EU is not

an irreversible certainty.

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In many member states,

political parties at the centre,

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the centre-left, the centre-right,

parties with a long-standing

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European tradition

are under pressure.

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The European Commission tonight

praised Theresa May for at least

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making clear she wanted a free trade

agreement, rather than a version

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of single market membership.

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Now, the work will begin on seeing

just how ambitious they can be

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about that trade deal.

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With me in the studio the finest

Brexit panel you can imagine -

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Iain Dale, Nina Schick,

Paul Mason and Suzanne Evans -

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to chew over the stuff

we haven't yet tackled.

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Brexit, Remainers Right and Left.

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Very nice of you to come to over and

chew up the stuff we haven't

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tackled.

I will give the first panelist the

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response, who tells me tonight, they

do not feel compromised by what has

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been offered today?

I don't feel

compromised by it.

Took a pause, but

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go on.

I only paused because when I

watched the speech, I am going to be

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honest I found it difficult to

follow. It was very come expression,

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every detailed, lots more than any

of her other speeches and it's a

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speech you have to read a couple of

times before you get it. And I think

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when you have, the Irish Government,

Barnier, Rees-Mogg and Chuka Umunna

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finding something positive, she has

probably done something right.

You

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fit yourself in the frame of mind

that says yes she has ticked the

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right boxes?

I am not a dogma test.

I have believed in any negotiation

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there has to be cop promises, today

she has said yes, up to now it has

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been we will be able to get

everything we want. It will be the

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same.

Are you there Nina

This is the

most interesting thing, is that

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reality is hitting the Government in

the face really hard, if you look at

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Theresa May's first speech at

Conservative Party Conference in

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2016, the famous citizens of nowhere

speech then Lancaster House and

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Florence, when she asked for a

transition at Lancaster House she

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said the UK would be leaving the

customs union and the single market.

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Today she admitted for the first

time, this is something I have been

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saying since 2016, there have to be

trade off, there have to be

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compromise, the magical dream...

You

were glad she said that?

Yes, the EU

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will welcome that, nonetheless,

there are still problems, the most

0:20:540:20:58

fundamental issue in my view is that

the issue of the Irish border has

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not been resome evidence. We have

seen the massive kick back in this

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country to the draft withdrawal

agreement. That the EU laid out,

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because they suggested that the fall

back option for Northern Ireland,

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which has to be under pinned in law,

because the EU is an international

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treaty organisation, under pinned by

a rule book, would be that Northern

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Ireland remains in the customs union

or the single market. Of course the

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UK said that is not possible, I

completely understand why, Theresa

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May said that, but what is the

solution? So this customs

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partnership that she put today, what

does that mean? We don't have enough

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detail on that.

I want to spend time

on the Irish board e before we do

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that, Suzanne, do you hear a woman

or a leader who has had to

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compromise, get rid of her red line,

is it the Brexit you want?

Some of

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it is. We had a clear commitment to

leaving the single market, we had a

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clear commitment to leaving the

customs union and a customs union in

0:21:510:21:56

a snub to Jeremy Corbyn rightly, we

also heard strong commentments on an

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end to free. Only do of movement,

other thing she didn't lay down

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strongly enough, the idea we could

walk away with no deal, that seems

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to be off the table, she talked

strongly about the European Court of

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Justice, in a way that was almost

treating it like a grandfather,

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saying we needed to listen to it, we

would take advice from it. That is

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not the position we wanted

eitherment I am particularly worried

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about what she said about fishing,

because for us in Ukip, fishing was

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one of the red lines, fishing

industry is the one that has been

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absolutely destroyed perhaps more

than any other by our membership of

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the European Union, and to hear her

talk today about our shared stocks,

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was a massive indication, I think

she is going to use perhaps fishing

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as a bargaining chip with the

European Union so our fishermen will

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not get the rights they would have

under international law which would

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be a disgrace, really.

Paul?

Theresa

May just effectively applied for

0:22:500:22:56

off-peak membership of the European

jib, so she was to pay for the

0:22:560:23:01

treadmill and the sort of skipping

rope but not the weights and the

0:23:010:23:07

spinning class, and remains, they

are glam she has made an application

0:23:070:23:10

-- glad, and we will find out what

they think about it. John Redwood is

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De Leeuwed, to be honest, I wish he

was still sitting here because the

0:23:150:23:19

point I I would make to hick him, is

that the fantasy of hard Brexit

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evaporated, number one, forget, an

independent fishing industry, we

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will give Europe full access.

We

should not.

That is what she has

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offered. And to be honest, he talks

about the will of the people and

0:23:340:23:38

what the British people will put up,

with there is no majority in the UK

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Parliament for a customs union, and

the moment they put that vote to a

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vote, I think we will find out she

has actually negotiating from a weak

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and non-representative position.

You

are cheering that are you?

I think

0:23:530:23:58

we should do a job for the viewer to

explain what has happened before we

0:23:580:24:03

unleash our own prejudice on it.

Yes, I am against a hard Brexit, I

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want the softest possibly Brexit. I

want customs union, I am glad core

0:24:080:24:12

Bishop has gone in the direction of

trying to negotiate closeness to the

0:24:120:24:16

single market. The other thing that

evaporated the David Davis's promise

0:24:160:24:21

that we would get the exact same

trade deals. That has been shown to

0:24:210:24:26

be a fantasy. That is very powerful

people like me.

What would you say

0:24:260:24:33

that? This idea that everything that

was promised, the trade benefits

0:24:330:24:37

would be the same, the up land were

going to be there,

They will be

0:24:370:24:42

there. To say the idea of a hard

Brexit, which I think is actually

0:24:420:24:48

Brexit has evaporated is ridiculous,

we are going to leave the single

0:24:480:24:51

market and the customs union, those

were war the soft Brexiteers used to

0:24:510:24:55

describe as a hard Brexit but no

longer do. I think it is a great

0:24:550:25:00

thing that we now have another

divide in British politic, between

0:25:000:25:04

the Conservative Party and the

Labour Party and we heard from

0:25:040:25:06

Jeremy Corbyn on Monday, and he

outlined very clearly what he wans

0:25:060:25:09

to do but he knows he can't deliver

it because the EU will never accept

0:25:090:25:13

Britain at the negotiating table for

new trade deals if we are still in a

0:25:130:25:17

customs union.

Are you closer to the

Corbyn view?

No, absolutely not. It

0:25:170:25:23

is a fudge, it is completely

unachievable.

Why is it any

0:25:230:25:27

different? Why is this union

different to an arrangement or...

0:25:270:25:34

Theresa May spelled out clearly in

her speech why Jeremy Corbyn's

0:25:340:25:36

version of a customs union won't

work. I think the problem that we

0:25:360:25:41

have got, is that Theresa May is

still in a sense negotiating from a

0:25:410:25:44

point of weakness, she is still

listening to too closely to her

0:25:440:25:53

advisers, who are really don't want

to come out of the European Union at

0:25:530:25:55

all. Expert remain aers, and she is

not actually telling the EU strongly

0:25:550:26:00

enough what we want. The end of her

speech today she started to sound

0:26:000:26:04

like she was a woman who believed in

Britain, who believed in the Brexit

0:26:040:26:08

cause...

It kind of backtracked on

that they agreed at Chequers were

0:26:080:26:14

the politicians said we would have

divergence and all she talked about

0:26:140:26:19

was more alignment. The other point

is I think there is a mood in the

0:26:190:26:22

country for people to just get on

with this and get it over with, and

0:26:220:26:26

I think I had a lot of people on my

phone in today saying look, give the

0:26:260:26:31

woman a chance, we like the speech.

I might have voted remain but give

0:26:310:26:35

her a chance.ment so we are talking

as if it is up to us now, it is down

0:26:350:26:41

to European Europe and what the

divided voices say.

We are still a

0:26:410:26:45

long away away from the future

trading relationship. We first of

0:26:450:26:48

all have to get that draft

withdrawal text agreed and the UK by

0:26:480:26:52

the way despite all the anger at the

EU's draft agreement, hasn't put

0:26:520:26:56

forward their own. Then we have the

issue of the transition, know that

0:26:560:27:00

Theresa May has sold this as an

implementation phase, but that is of

0:27:000:27:04

course not the case, because the

idea by March 2019 that you can have

0:27:040:27:10

an TFA ready to go is De Leeuwed.

The next question is, can hard

0:27:100:27:15

Brexiteers accept, and what I found

interesting, is that given that what

0:27:150:27:19

was promised and what Theresa May

said today, everyone seems to think

0:27:190:27:23

there were good parts in that, it is

not what was promised. Jurisdiction

0:27:230:27:27

of the ECJ or whether or not direct,

and the same will be the case for

0:27:270:27:31

transition.

My point now, is that if

there is at least some overlap

0:27:310:27:37

between what people broadly want,

does the EU hear it in that way? You

0:27:370:27:41

have heard from Barnier, we have

heard from people saying she has her

0:27:410:27:46

head in the stand, people saying it

is vague.

They are going to say

0:27:460:27:49

that. They are the two most

Europhile politicians in Europe.

0:27:490:27:55

They are because they are fully

bought into the project. What I

0:27:550:27:58

would say federalism or not, the

centre in Europe knows it is in

0:27:580:28:03

trouble. What this, I read this as a

gamble by the British Foreign

0:28:030:28:07

Office, I see the Foreign Office

hands on this as well as Olly rob

0:28:070:28:10

Bishops because they have been doing

a lot of bilateral talking to

0:28:100:28:15

European capital, they see, the

gamble is, the European project is

0:28:150:28:20

in so much trouble they will allow

what Britain has asked for, which is

0:28:200:28:26

a specific despoke free trade deal

and go round the Commission

0:28:260:28:29

position, which is to offer us

Canada or Norway. I think the

0:28:290:28:34

problem is, we perhaps in the vote

Leave campaign underestimated the

0:28:340:28:39

ability of Brexit and the Civil

Service, the Government and Civil

0:28:390:28:41

Service to deliver the Brexit that

the people voted for. And I think

0:28:410:28:45

what will ultimately come out of

this today, I think the EU will see

0:28:450:28:48

Theresa May as another bit of a push

over and they will push back harder.

0:28:480:28:52

Thank you all very much.

0:28:520:28:56

Thank you all very much.

0:28:560:28:57

Eskimos, they say,

have 50 words for snow.

0:28:570:28:59

The Inuits of Canada's Nunuvik

region actually do have 53.

0:28:590:29:01

The Sami people of Russia have 180.

0:29:010:29:03

The Inupiaks of Alaska do justice

to ice with another 70 of their own.

0:29:030:29:06

It seems only right,

since we have embraced -

0:29:060:29:08

albeit temporarily -

the beast from the east -

0:29:080:29:11

to come up with one of our own.

0:29:110:29:13

The stuff that's covering

Britain right now -

0:29:130:29:14

making many lives a misery -

is, experts tell us,

0:29:140:29:17

known as Champagne Powder.

0:29:170:29:18

It's too refined to build a snowman.

0:29:180:29:20

It doesn't mould

easily into snowballs.

0:29:200:29:21

At the end of a week of the white

stuff we sent John Sweeney out

0:29:210:29:25

to get the scientific low

down on why.

0:29:250:29:29

Government and Civil Service

0:29:290:29:36

Something has gone horribly wrong

with the great British snow man. The

0:29:360:29:42

snowmageddon has produced no the fat

dough boys of yesteryear by a series

0:29:420:29:49

of weird shrunken mutants.

What do these snowball engineers

0:29:490:29:54

make of it on Primrose Hill? What is

the problem with the snow?

It's too

0:29:540:30:00

soft.

Doesn't stick.

No.

It is a

work of art this.

0:30:000:30:11

Time to call in an expert.

0:30:110:30:17

Time to call in an expert. This

woman is a Professor of

0:30:170:30:20

snowflakology. There is a problem

with our snow man, what is the

0:30:200:30:23

problem?

Well, first thing we don't

want to discriminate because our

0:30:230:30:27

snow man is tiny, but there is a bit

of a damage challenge in making a

0:30:270:30:31

bigger snow man using this kind of

snow, the reason being that the snow

0:30:310:30:35

we have add the moment is very dry.

And it is the liquid part that makes

0:30:350:30:39

snow stick together. So if we are

missing that, the snow just can't

0:30:390:30:43

pack together very well, so it has

been incredibly cold because it is

0:30:430:30:47

coming from the east. It hit

cyberian temperatures, I don't know

0:30:470:30:52

if you have noticed six sided

snowflakes we are getting, they are

0:30:520:30:57

tiny, because of the fact it has

been so cold, the water vapour has

0:30:570:31:04

frozen to make this small crystal,

very powdery snow.

It is the wrong

0:31:040:31:09

kind of snow.

It Tees wrong kind of

snow.

0:31:090:31:14

The big fat flake at the top is the

perfect building block for a good

0:31:140:31:18

snow man. The stuff at the bottom is

too dry makes rubbish snowmen.

0:31:180:31:30

Bad for snowmen, but this kind of

powdery snow is seriously good for

0:31:300:31:36

St Legers, and skiers too.

The science behind the wrong kind of

0:31:360:31:46

snow is so compelling. Other life

forms were drawn ircystibly to the

0:31:460:31:53

Newsnight snow man.

That just John Sweeney.

0:31:530:32:03

That's all we have

time for this evening.

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