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What a special night. We are talking about immigration. Louis Walsh is on | :00:00. | :00:18. | |
the show. But here's what is taking this show off the roof tonight, | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
Ladies and gentlemen, let's get ready to rock this studio! | :00:23. | :00:41. | |
It's with great pride and pleasure I welcome to this fabulous venue. | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
The IBF Super Bantamweight Champion of the World, and on a hugely | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
successful and historical occasion last Saturday, | :00:49. | :00:55. | |
in Manchester, England, he also became the NEW WBA | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
Super Bantamweight Champion of the World! | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
Hailing from Tiger's Bay, Belfast, I give you Carl "The Jackal" | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
I think we should do it again, ladies and gentlemen, Carl Frampton | :01:02. | :01:52. | |
in the studio! World champion. What does it feel | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
like? It feels great. It was a huge fight, | :01:57. | :02:06. | |
we have had a long rivalry, me and Quigg. I just wanted to beat him, I | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
wanted to prove it. Very, very happy. | :02:13. | :02:22. | |
It's not that often a crowd in this studio gets on their feet for | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
somebody, how studio gets on their feet for | :02:25. | :02:25. | |
local support? studio gets on their feet for | :02:26. | :02:34. | |
Honestly, it's unbelievable. Even here tonight it was incredible, but | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
in Manchester it sounded like here tonight it was incredible, but | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
Belfast, it didn't feel like Manchester. And Quigg is from | :02:42. | :02:50. | |
Belfast, it didn't feel like miles outside Manchester. I | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
genuinely believe I am one of the best supported fighters in world | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
boxing. I am very grateful. best supported fighters in world | :02:56. | :03:02. | |
of them sound like 20,000. Is it starting to hit you? | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
I don't know. He hardly hit you! | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
I don't know. It was a bit of a boring fight | :03:13. | :03:13. | |
especially the first half. But It was a bit of a boring fight | :03:14. | :03:23. | |
I hit him with a solid jab and his eyes lit up. He didn't want to fight | :03:24. | :03:24. | |
for six eyes lit up. He didn't want to fight | :03:25. | :03:34. | |
The support that there eyes lit up. He didn't want to fight | :03:35. | :03:42. | |
was some famous support as well, some sober. Who could we possibly be | :03:43. | :03:53. | |
talking about? They said you can't wear a football | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
shirt, but I thought I might be on the telly. | :03:59. | :04:00. | |
shirt, but I thought I might be on He is doing a lot for Northern | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
Ireland, Carl from town. -- car Frampton. -- Carl Frampton. | :04:05. | :04:17. | |
We love Jimmy. But he had had a couple, more than a couple. But when | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
he sobered up, said -- he sent you a message. | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
Greetings from a very hot but very beautiful botanic gardens in | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
Singapore. It was the farthest place I could get away to after Saturday | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
night. What a performance, and you weren't bad either. I was hoping to | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
congratulate you, what I was sort of unable to speak. -- but I was. We | :04:44. | :04:51. | |
are incredibly proud of you. On Sunday morning it felt like I had | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
been through 12 gruelling rounds also. Northern Ireland's very own | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
Carl Frampton, everyone is so proud. I believe Wayne Rooney was in your | :05:01. | :05:15. | |
dressing room? He was in Quigg's dressing room. | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
He was supporting Quigg and he was a bit absurd. | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
He had a bet with Michael Wright, so he lost. | :05:28. | :05:37. | |
-- he had a bet with Rory McIlroy. I think we should welcome your | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
partner in crime, another local hero, ladies and gentlemen, Barry | :05:44. | :05:44. | |
McGuigan! I remember you telling me on the | :05:45. | :06:04. | |
radio show quite a long time ago, you knew this guy. | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
Yes, I have been telling everybody for years, people told me to shut | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
up. But he is an exceptional talent and he proved on Saturday night. It | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
was a cagey affair for the first 68 rounds, but we wanted people to buy | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
all the pay-per-view, but we knew it was going to be cagey. The idea was, | :06:28. | :06:37. | |
the strategic land was Carl would get out in front, get a good, decent | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
lead, and make him panic and make him come to you. I was watching the | :06:43. | :06:50. | |
show back on Sunday night quite late, and I listened to it and the | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
Mike went into their corner and at the end of the seventh round he said | :06:57. | :07:05. | |
sky have got us 61 down! -- Sky Sports 4. I thought, these guys are | :07:06. | :07:13. | |
idiots. We were way in front. That was the plan, and Carl knew it would | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
be a matter of coming to him and tried to pick him off. But he had | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
already broken his jaw and that stage. But it was a fantastic | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
performance, and we knew it would be a tactical battle, we knew it would | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
not be an all out war until the latter stages. And I think because | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
of the damage to his chin, he wasn't willing to commit. So Carl could not | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
nail him with the right punches, but he dominated him. | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
Did you know he had -- you had broken his jaw? | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
No, it was the end of possibly the eighth round or the sixth, but not | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
as early as the fourth as they were saying. | :07:58. | :08:11. | |
These two are a couple of really good fighters. | :08:12. | :08:32. | |
Everywhere we go, everywhere we go! Making all that noise, everywhere we | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
go. Tell you what, I am glad you can box | :08:40. | :08:54. | |
better than you can sing! He's actually got a good voice. | :08:55. | :09:02. | |
There's hardly a mark on you. If we put the camera up, the top of | :09:03. | :09:11. | |
the left ear. His left eye. There's just a little mark there, if we can | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
see that. It's that small, it's really hard to see. And that's it. | :09:18. | :09:28. | |
That wasn't even from the fight! I got a cut eye, it was a kid from | :09:29. | :09:34. | |
Belfast. Very last spark of the camp, he clipped me and my eyes | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
split. I thought initially, fights off. But it healed, but that wasn't | :09:40. | :09:49. | |
Quigg. That was actually... | :09:50. | :09:56. | |
He was dealt somebody blows though. As Carl said, it wasn't the fourth | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
round, it was more like the sixth round when he broke his jaw, but he | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
fought six rounds with a damaged jaw. But that was partly the reason | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
why he kept his hands up. We knew he was not going to take his hands in | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
an exchange with them. He goes blocked and then responds, but he | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
was blocking when he was responding. It was carried out to perfection. | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
Before the fight I heard you say it would be life changing. Life | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
changing for you and your family. How? | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
I don't know yet, because the money is not yet in my bank account! It | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
just takes about a week or so to come in. | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
It takes about a month or so. Look, it is obviously... | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
What type of money's involved? We don't know yet, we don't know... | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
Is it millions? . Ask questions like that. -- don't | :10:56. | :11:06. | |
ask questions like that. But we won't know until the | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
pay-per-view comes in in about a month. | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
One of them is mine. One of them is mine as well. | :11:19. | :11:27. | |
What's next for him, can you bring him, obviously he is on the world | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
stage. How about Windsor Park, how about here in Northern Ireland so | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
that these people who love you can do it on the home -- on your home | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
turf? Would you like that, ladies and gentlemen? | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
We would love to do that. We are obligated to make, it is a difficult | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
situation because in order for Kyle to fight for the WBA title they had | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
to make a mandatory 90 days after that that he would defend against | :11:58. | :11:59. | |
the super champion. The that that he would defend against | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
also given us 90 days to defend against another fighter, so we are | :12:06. | :12:18. | |
in a different -- difficult spot... Anywhere, the fact is we are | :12:19. | :12:20. | |
obligated. Anywhere, the fact is we are | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
champion we are more inclined to go down that route. But several guys | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
are interested in fighting down that route. But several guys | :12:29. | :12:37. | |
but we have to sit down, he is not making any decisions until | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
but we have to sit down, he is not chance to look at all the possible | :12:43. | :12:42. | |
opportunities and There is a certain amount of scandal | :12:43. | :12:50. | |
associated with you, because of course the last time you were in the | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
associated with you, because of studio we had rehearsed our fight in | :12:54. | :12:55. | |
the boxing ring, you witnessed studio we had rehearsed our fight in | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
Barry, and it was important you didn't touch a BBC presenter. What | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
happened is that didn't touch a BBC presenter. What | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
flying around the Internet now, let's remind us where the contact | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
happened here if we look at this freaky... -- VAT. -- if we look at | :13:14. | :13:21. | |
this clip. LAUGHTER Sorry, it was only a small | :13:22. | :13:36. | |
touch. I think you hit me harder than Quigg. What about your family? | :13:37. | :13:44. | |
It must be special? Great to see them, and... I saw your luck and by | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
getting his first haircut on Twitter. He is a bit of a rascal. | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
But he sat on ice and it was good to be home, great to be home with the | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
family. -- but he sat down nicely. What is your dream? To keep winning, | :14:04. | :14:11. | |
in Madison Square Garden is, in the MGM in Las Vegas. It is incredible, | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
I go there once a year, I would love to see you there. I would love to | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
get out there, but Windsor Park, above all, I would love to defend my | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
world title in front of home fans and repay them for what they have | :14:27. | :14:35. | |
done for me and show them I want to be at home, a Belfast boy, let's do | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
some fights from here. be at home, a Belfast boy, let's do | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
from a little boy aged seven, fighting in North Belfast, there you | :14:45. | :14:46. | |
are, where was that? fighting in North Belfast, there you | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
ABC in Tigers Bay. There is Joe fighting in North Belfast, there you | :14:51. | :14:58. | |
in the corner, who has sadly passed away, but well-known around that | :14:59. | :15:09. | |
area. -- Joe Farrell. Well, from that little boy, to someone we are | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
so proud of. Thank you. Carl Frampton! CHEERING Right, good | :15:15. | :15:24. | |
stuff. Give them a round of applause! | :15:25. | :15:26. | |
CHEERING The migrant crisis, | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
one of the biggest The UN warned this week about | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
a looming humanitarian disaster. Or imposing stricter | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
limits on who can come in? What is the answer to this? George | :15:41. | :15:58. | |
Galloway is joining us this evening. He should be on the line. Set this | :15:59. | :16:06. | |
out for us? That is a tidal wave of refugees arriving in Europe, more | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
than 1 million arrived last summer, and far more than 1 million will | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
arrive this summer, just in the first six weeks of this year 150,000 | :16:15. | :16:24. | |
people arrived from the Middle East, and those travelled through the | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
worst of weather conditions. So, as the weather improves, more people | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
will take to the seas, and walking across Europe, cascading from one | :16:36. | :16:43. | |
end to the other end. And this, on top of austerity throughout most of | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
Europe, with more of that to come, because Greece seems to be about to | :16:49. | :16:55. | |
default on its payments, on its loans it got after the long-running | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
crisis. So do you think we should have an open door policy on | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
immigrants? No. So what should we do? I hope you did not bring me on | :17:06. | :17:12. | |
thinking I did. Every country should have control of its own borders and | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
there is no such thing as unlimited immigration, or ought to be, there | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
is nothing left wing about mass immigration, mass immigration | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
decapitates the countries from which they come and, when they arrive, it | :17:27. | :17:35. | |
drives down wages and conditions as unscrupulous lawyers take advantage | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
of new Labour. What should we do? Stop fuelling the wars that said | :17:41. | :17:47. | |
these people off in the first place. And I'm sorry if I sound like a | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
broken record... And we are where we are now. What should we do with the | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
present problem? Not to go back in time but agree with me that we need | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
to stop what we are doing right now, such as in Syria, our government and | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
others, the usual suspects I'm afraid, are continuing to fuel the | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
so-called rebellion in Syria, which has set the place on fire, saying | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
the destruction, not least amongst Christian communities, and holy | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
places. That might of course stop the father in flux, but there are | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
people right now, we can see them on television. -- further influx. We | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
have to show them out fairly, you cannot have Greece, such as nearby | :18:36. | :18:42. | |
Macedonian government trapping hundreds of thousands of people in | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
Greece, which will cause chaos. We will come back to you in a second. | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
David McNarry, we have to share the load, help people as much as they | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
can, against that? I am not, the United Kingdom government is doing | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
the right thing, if only people would listen, I welcome the 100 or | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
families that came from the Syrian camps to Northern Ireland and they | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
are being looked after, and I am aware of that, and I know more are | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
coming in, but the answer is why are people going on these horrendous | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
journeys, putting their lives and their children's lies at this, when | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
they are not going anywhere better? Some people may say it is better | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
than bombs, of course it is, but there are camps set up to facilitate | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
them close to their own homes from whence they should be returning | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
properly. Widening this out beyond Syria, what is wrong with an | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
economic migrant? Let me just tell you. This is my British passport. | :19:48. | :19:55. | |
What it says at the top... It so happens you brought it with you! | :19:56. | :20:02. | |
LAUGHTER Purposely, it says European Union at the top. Angela Merkel as | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
offered and brought in 1 million people, right? In not too long time, | :20:08. | :20:15. | |
they will get the same passport, the same rights, benefits. But people | :20:16. | :20:22. | |
have travelled to find work for centuries. We will find the | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
countries that put up the barbed wire, the people going with Angela | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
Merkel... Didn't your ancestors emigrated here from Scotland? No. | :20:33. | :20:44. | |
You are Irish? Yes. And resist the right for others to come here for a | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
better life? I understand it is highly emotional. You would not have | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
a hard if you did not feel for some of those scenes we see on television | :20:54. | :21:00. | |
but we don't have room, and not have an economy that can uphold this, 1 | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
million people leaving other countries, turned into European | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
citizens, meaning the same rate this passport, and I do not believe they | :21:11. | :21:18. | |
should using that. This lady? What about what America, Australia, | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
Canada has done, if you do not come in with enough money, they will not | :21:23. | :21:25. | |
give you social security. Our problem is people come to this | :21:26. | :21:32. | |
country are coming for a better life, to get money out of our | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
government, that we have to pay in. They | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
government, that we have to pay in. all of them! Some people came to me | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
when I worked in the boot, and asking about | :21:47. | :21:56. | |
when I worked in the boot, and given it. Quite a sweeping | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
statement! It isn't. A lot are claiming for children not here in | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
this country. They are claiming for everything. I don't agree, to be | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
honest, some of what you have said is very sad. We have a lot of people | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
who will think some of the migrants with the same brush. You made a good | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
point we with the same brush. You made a good | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
around immigration, and separate and economic migrant and refugee. These | :22:27. | :22:36. | |
people are fleeing death, if there were bombs that were dropping and | :22:37. | :22:37. | |
leaving us destitute, in every were bombs that were dropping and | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
of their country... There are facilities close to their land, that | :22:44. | :22:50. | |
they want to go back to. I am father and grandfather and I would not take | :22:51. | :22:52. | |
my wife and children on and grandfather and I would not take | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
miles of track... It you had no other choice. But they have the | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
choice of camps. But you have never had your life on | :23:03. | :23:04. | |
the line to that But you have never had your life on | :23:05. | :23:05. | |
know what it is like? The IRA put But you have never had your life on | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
life on the line of occasions. But you have never had your life on | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
many people left Northern Ireland for the United States and Australia | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
and were accepted. On the condition they will make a contribution. | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
The man in the glasses? they will make a contribution. | :23:27. | :23:34. | |
consider these people are coming to they will make a contribution. | :23:35. | :23:43. | |
the UK because of UK foreign policy has driven their country into the | :23:44. | :23:43. | |
situation where they have no has driven their country into the | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
but to move from their home. has driven their country into the | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
problem with this has driven their country into the | :23:50. | :24:04. | |
but did not bring it on. I brought it on to make | :24:05. | :24:05. | |
but did not bring it on. I brought here at you at length! Thank | :24:06. | :24:15. | |
but did not bring it on. I brought you doing his job now? Most people | :24:16. | :24:17. | |
preface remarks with, I am not a racist, or I am the daughter or | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
granddaughter of immigrants, either occupying the moral high ground. I | :24:24. | :24:25. | |
am the occupying the moral high ground. I | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
were fleeing persecution in Russia, I am also not a racist, but, always | :24:31. | :24:37. | |
this but, we have to unpack the arguments and move away from the | :24:38. | :24:39. | |
this but, we have to unpack the emotional, where is your heart, here | :24:40. | :24:46. | |
is my passport, and save... But it is about sovereignty. And he talks | :24:47. | :24:54. | |
about his Britishness threatened. And I respect his opinion. I also | :24:55. | :24:56. | |
agree that while we are genes to And I respect his opinion. I also | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
Human Rights Act, part of the EU, and I support leaving the EU, we | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
will have uncontrolled Labour moving in and around Europe, and there is a | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
massive difference between an asylum seeker who needs surgery from war | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
and someone who just thinks Britain is a soft option. -- sanctuary from | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
what stop George Galloway, I would you respond to David McNarry? I am | :25:24. | :25:30. | |
glad I could not see that, probably not a pretty sight. America would be | :25:31. | :25:38. | |
the Buddhas country in the world and Bangladesh the richest because | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
everyone emigrates to union the United States, and nobody emigrates | :25:43. | :25:53. | |
to Bangladesh. Immigrants generate economic activity and more wealth | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
for all of us. Do you agree with that, David McNarry? George, let | :26:00. | :26:07. | |
David respond. Your point is? I will go on to make it, ?5 billion surplus | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
was contributed to the British economy I immigrants last year, | :26:13. | :26:20. | |
compounded each year there is a surplus of a great deal of money. | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
There may be the odd person turning up at the blue asking for ?3000 for | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
a car, though I am sure they were given short shrift from the | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
warm-hearted person that spoke, a former civil servant. -- brew. She | :26:37. | :26:48. | |
wants to despond. They got handed it, they were not given short | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
shrift, ?2000 for a car to get to work. Well, I demand an enquiry, | :26:55. | :27:04. | |
because for nearly 30 years as an MP, I never had of anyone getting | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
?3000 for a car, let alone someone who arrived as a refugee or economic | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
migrant. Go ahead. I coach load of refugees were brought into my area | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
and put up in a Hotel, all women and kids, we have nothing against them, | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
but we were not told about it, they were sneaked in, I live in a nice | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
area and if we were told refugees were coming with women and kids we | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
would have welcomed them, but the children to the community centres. | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
Why should you be told? Why do they need your permission? Because people | :27:44. | :27:50. | |
have the wrong issues about them, going against them because | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
politicians from other areas were treating these people, coming into | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
our area, we would like to know ourselves. But this is what is | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
wrong, people saying things like our area! But we have to live the, and | :28:03. | :28:10. | |
they could break into our houses. -- we have to live there. I do not | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
believe anyone is bad, I did tell people, it is women and kids, look | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
what they have went through, welcome them with open arms. Maybe they | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
could have made our kids. But that would have been the nice thing but | :28:27. | :28:28. | |
no one was talking were coming in. This lady is entitled to feel some | :28:29. | :28:55. | |
ownership of her area. The fact is, why don't we... | :28:56. | :29:09. | |
I would love to do things like that. How much money, let's be practical, | :29:10. | :29:19. | |
how much money has it cost to get all these people over to these | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
different areas? What are we spending our foreign aid on, to fund | :29:23. | :29:29. | |
I's space programme? Why aren't we spending it on enabling people to | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
stay in their indigenous -- indigenous areas and have a better | :29:36. | :29:47. | |
life? People want to be where they are more culturally at home, why not | :29:48. | :29:58. | |
help them? The UK is the second biggest donor | :29:59. | :30:10. | |
to foreign aid. They want to help people in their own country first. | :30:11. | :30:17. | |
Like you said, it hasn't worked. So we will try to help settle them | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
around their country. But it is not always working. We have a moral | :30:22. | :30:27. | |
obligation to help bring them here, because we do have room. We have a | :30:28. | :30:34. | |
moral and an international legal operation to help people who are | :30:35. | :30:35. | |
fleeing from their lands. Young lady up here. | :30:36. | :30:54. | |
What if these people just demand even more of our services such as | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
NHS and our education systems? We are already struggling. The majority | :31:00. | :31:05. | |
of them are coming to work. Including in the NHS, by the way. | :31:06. | :31:12. | |
Many experts say the NHS could not function if we did not have people | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
from other places in the world coming to work here. We have to look | :31:16. | :31:22. | |
after our own before we take in even more people. Go ahead. Do you not | :31:23. | :31:38. | |
think you should put refugees on the back burner with all the | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
homelessness in the United Kingdom? Look after people on our own | :31:45. | :31:52. | |
streets? The North of Ireland is famously a Christian part of the | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
world, but I'm not hearing much Christian charity from your studio | :31:57. | :32:06. | |
discussion tonight. Of course we are a Christian country. Well, | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
discussion tonight. Of course we are hear some... Do you | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
discussion tonight. Of course we are everybody or is it just me? At the | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
moment is that -- it is just you, George. Well, kindly let me speak. | :32:20. | :32:29. | |
These people, and it is really important to unbundle the economic | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
migrant from the refugee. The economic migrant, | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
migrant from the refugee. The right to control their numbers. One | :32:38. | :32:38. | |
of the reasons why I right to control their numbers. One | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
the EU. But the refugee, the wretched, the | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
the EU. But the refugee, the to be free from hell on earth, | :32:48. | :32:49. | |
the EU. But the refugee, the really have to find some Christian | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
the EU. But the refugee, the are fleeing not just bombs, they are | :32:56. | :32:56. | |
fleeing Isis and Al-Qaeda, who are fleeing not just bombs, they are | :32:57. | :33:04. | |
cut your head off. Now frankly, so, you would take your wife | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
cut your head off. Now frankly, so, would take them away if Isis with | :33:10. | :33:10. | |
their sharp would take them away if Isis with | :33:11. | :33:18. | |
people's hearts... There is not much difference between them and the IRA | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
and I never took by family anywhere, I stood my ground and I stood with | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
my own people. We are a Christian nation and that comes through all | :33:28. | :33:35. | |
the time, George. That is not coming across from what you are saying. | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
However bad the Troubles were in the North of Ireland... But | :33:41. | :33:47. | |
However bad the Troubles were in the completely untrue. It is completely | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
untrue. But however bad the situation was, in the north of | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
Ireland, people were not getting their heads cut off, the heights | :33:59. | :34:08. | |
eaten, crucified... -- hearts. They were getting bombed to pieces. | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
eaten, crucified... -- hearts. They going to pay you a compliment of | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
imagining you don't know what you are talking about. If you did know, | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
what kind of hell it is in Iraq and Syria, thanks to us and George Bush, | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
you would not have the hard faced hard hearted attitude all the while. | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
You are a hypocrite. Clutching your Bible, whilst slamming the door on | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
people who are fleeing from the most horrific hell on earth. | :34:41. | :34:49. | |
people who are fleeing from the most David respond. Do not accept, David, | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
but the extent of the devastation in Syria -- do not accept, but the | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
extent of the devastation and bloodshed is far beyond what | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
happened here? No, what I have got to say is in response to questions I | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
have -- I was asking of the police quite recently, Isis threat in the | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
city of Belfast has gone from moderate to serious in a matter of | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
weeks. This is our capital city, and the police themselves have upgraded | :35:19. | :35:24. | |
the threat from Isis. That is concerning. Go ahead, sir, with your | :35:25. | :35:34. | |
hand up. Do not think this is something Stormont should have been | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
dealing with long before it got out of hand? Rather than the usual | :35:38. | :35:46. | |
political point scoring. The UN's International Labour Organisation | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
has stated that the migrants have a positive economic contribution in | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
terms of paying more taxes and social contribution than they | :35:56. | :36:05. | |
actually take out of the economy. What do you think about this, you | :36:06. | :36:12. | |
had to seek asylum in 1979. 1975. We were sent to the UK, Manchester, to | :36:13. | :36:21. | |
study, and then in 1980 when the revolution happened in Iran, there | :36:22. | :36:30. | |
was persecution obviously and then in 1981 my parents came to visit us, | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
and my father could never go back. And because of that, he sought | :36:37. | :36:44. | |
asylum, and all the children, my siblings, we got asylum and we | :36:45. | :36:51. | |
remain in the UK. So how do you feel about what you have heard tonight? | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
It is just a matter of looking at the situation, it is a matter of | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
chance where you are born, whether you are born in Northern Ireland or | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
Kuwait or Iran. It is privileged that you are born in a country that | :37:07. | :37:14. | |
you can leave and be free. I was not free in Iran. David, if you believe | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
the EU is far too lax on immigration, that we need to leave | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
it to control our on-board is, therefore it follows that you must | :37:25. | :37:30. | |
want border controls and checkpoints back on the Irish border. -- control | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
at own borders. The Republic of Ireland is not in Schengen, and | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
neither is the United Kingdom, thank goodness. The relationship we have | :37:43. | :37:45. | |
in terms of trading with the Republic of Ireland is one that will | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
continue. I cannot see any great difference with the United Kingdom | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
out of Europe. But if we want to control our borders against | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
immigration from Europe, you have to control but border between here and | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
the South. I want to control our borders right this moment, between | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
this little part of the United Kingdom and the Irish Republic, | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
because it is a porous border, and because... So you would put border | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
controls back on the border here? Yes, because right this moment... | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
Illegal immigrant sigh crossing the border. Would you put checkpoints | :38:27. | :38:35. | |
back? Are you trying to scare us? Isis terrorists are coming from | :38:36. | :38:49. | |
Dublin to Belfast? Yes? How do we know? Go and ask the Chief | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
Constable. Isis terrorists are coming from Dublin to Belfast. There | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
was a statement three weeks ago which said the police are more | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
concerned about young jihadist militant Islamic people than they | :39:08. | :39:15. | |
are about dissident IRA. So Ukip once border controls and checkpoints | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
on the border. No, we won't border controls, we want -- we need border | :39:21. | :39:28. | |
controls... And checkpoints as well? The checkpoints on going to be able | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
to be done, how on earth do you do that, the IRA crossed every day and | :39:35. | :39:42. | |
every night. The British Government's foreign policy is | :39:43. | :39:44. | |
making it worse. We can afford to bomb countries that aren't our | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
business, but we can't afford to fund the welfare system or invest in | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
people who need our help. Part of the problem I think also with this | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
debate is that first of all we haven't really looked at the issue | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
of radicalised Islam, which is sprouting on our campuses and in | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
different areas of our communities, and that has propagated this idea | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
that immigration is a bad thing. Everything's and thrown into one | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
pot. But this issue that George gave us, a very vivid description of the | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
kind of things that people are suffering terrible hell in Syria. | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
When you run, I would have thought you run to the first safe place you | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
get to. Just spill back to the rise of the Nazis in the Second World | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
War. People left Germany and fled for example to Holland, as Anne | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
Frank's family famously did. Her father thought the family would be | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
safe there, he couldn't see how far the Nazi tentacles would stretch. He | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
didn't think, we will press on to Britain. As a family, when you run, | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
and thank God I have never been in that position but my family have, | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
generations before, you stop when you come to the place you feel safe. | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
And this is part of the issue now. Either you run to get to safety, or | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
you run because you want to get to Britain. The two are not mutually | :41:10. | :41:16. | |
exclusive. The debt she added to the Newsletter. -- deputy editor. I used | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
to be quite tough on immigration. England is one of the most densely | :41:22. | :41:29. | |
populated countries in the world. Look at the catastrophic rise in | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
house prices in London that kind of things. But I travelled down via | :41:34. | :41:44. | |
Belgrade, and saw the beginning of this human chain, and Lesbos, they | :41:45. | :41:53. | |
spoke English, almost all of them, and aside from the human tragedy of | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
these and aside from the human tragedy of | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
wondering around, I thought we could benefit from the resourcefulness. So | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
that maybe we should actually a Northern Ireland, take some more. | :42:05. | :42:11. | |
However, there comes a point, very clearly, when you have to say, no. | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
Look what happened when Angela Merkel sent out the signal and many | :42:16. | :42:23. | |
more people came. When is the point to say no? I don't know, but I think | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
this is just the beginning. Because of the exploding world population, I | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
don't think it is just about Syria. I am from Dungannon, and we have | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
loads of industries dependent on migrant workers, similar because we | :42:39. | :42:41. | |
are not willing to do the job ourselves. And the man in the | :42:42. | :42:49. | |
glasses. Do think that our jobs and our school places for example would | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
be put under even more stress, especially with part-time jobs, as a | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
student myself surely that is relevant. We have so many empty | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
school desks in Northern Ireland so I don't think we will run out of | :43:04. | :43:06. | |
schools. I think whenever we use this issue of taking our jobs, we | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
have to look at why there is no investment in the neighbourhoods. | :43:11. | :43:13. | |
have to look at why there is no That is part down to Stormont and | :43:14. | :43:14. | |
have to look at why there is no part down to the UK Government. It | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
is not about putting local against migrant. Final word George Galloway. | :43:20. | :43:27. | |
The vast majority of refugees that arrived in Europe last summer came | :43:28. | :43:33. | |
from Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. You don't have to be Einstein to | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
work out what these three countries have in common. So a bit of | :43:40. | :43:42. | |
Christian charity. We have in common. So a bit of | :43:43. | :43:43. | |
create this disastrous problem, have in common. So a bit of | :43:44. | :43:52. | |
people in both Syria and Iraq, in fact more than 1 million people, and | :43:53. | :43:59. | |
so to hear people, you know, as we come up to Easter time, to | :44:00. | :44:02. | |
so to hear people, you know, as we people slamming stable doors and | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
saying, six refugees per constituency is more than enough, it | :44:08. | :44:16. | |
is frankly and unedifying spectacle. George, thank you. Give our guests a | :44:17. | :44:23. | |
I very important debate which will be happening right up until the | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
referendum on June 23. Right, let's lighten the mood now, | :44:30. | :44:32. | |
and our next guest is a man who is never short of something | :44:33. | :44:35. | |
to say and knows all The former X Factor judge | :44:36. | :44:39. | |
is the best-known pop boss MUSIC: Sound Of The Underground | :44:40. | :44:51. | |
by Girls Aloud Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome | :44:52. | :45:21. | |
Louis Walsh! CHEERING How are you? Good to see you! It is always good | :45:22. | :45:31. | |
for you to pop in to see us. It is. And the showbiz gossip, cut to the | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
chase, will you go back into X Factor? Honestly, I don't know. | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
Nothing is signed. Do you want to go back in? I would like to. Have you | :45:42. | :45:51. | |
been approached? Simon would like the back. | :45:52. | :45:54. | |
So if the man in charge once you back, and you want to go back, what | :45:55. | :46:01. | |
is stopping it? Lots of politics at ITV and Fremantle, and I would want | :46:02. | :46:04. | |
to go back if it is the same as the old days, fun. Do you dig ITV would | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
like you back? The ratings were down. Why? There was no fun to it. I | :46:11. | :46:21. | |
would love Sharon Osbourne back, I would love Nicol, like it was all | :46:22. | :46:27. | |
those years ago. Do you think the show has lost some of its audience | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
because you were not there? Not because of me, but it has definitely | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
lost some audience. RB at the stage of talking money? No, but I don't do | :46:38. | :46:45. | |
it for the money, I love working with Simon, we are best friends. We | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
are really good friends. But wasn't it Simon who don't you? Indirectly, | :46:52. | :46:58. | |
yes, trying to improve the shore. But you say you are best friends the | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
Simon Cowell, but by which he dumped you? I was there for 11 years, a | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
long time. I thought I was going to miss it, but I would watch TV on | :47:09. | :47:21. | |
Saturday. But I did not miss it. Was it Simon that told you? He said, | :47:22. | :47:28. | |
darling, we are making changes. And that did not change things? No, we | :47:29. | :47:36. | |
managed Westlife together. I was offered a lot more to go back. But I | :47:37. | :47:44. | |
did not want to do it. Tell him I will do it for 50 grand! Do you know | :47:45. | :47:50. | |
who talk the height of not doing it, Simon, he called me and said, do not | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
do it, darling, he calls everyone darling. What will you offer to go | :47:56. | :48:02. | |
into the jungle? Big rowing figures. You said you would tell me. Probably | :48:03. | :48:10. | |
around 1 million. You turn down a million quid? You would eat a | :48:11. | :48:17. | |
cockroach for ?1 million? I tell it like it is. I am a bit of a loose | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
cannon. I say things I shouldn't. That is what would have happened on | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
the shore. But Simon said not to do it. Maybe he will have me back. So | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
people will need to be dumped if you are going back. Were they right to | :48:33. | :48:39. | |
get rid of neck grip shop -- Nick Grimshaw? Yes, she wasn't right. | :48:40. | :48:50. | |
What about Dermot O'Leary? I have a feeling he will come back. As Simon | :48:51. | :48:57. | |
spoken to you about him coming back? I have heard good rumours and I have | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
a good source. What about this lady here? | :49:02. | :49:08. | |
It is Cheryl. You give her this silly song! It was a throwaway | :49:09. | :49:14. | |
performance. She is so much better than this. This could be your last | :49:15. | :49:24. | |
week and it is her fault it! What is it like in real life between | :49:25. | :49:32. | |
you two? Do you like her? Yes, I like her, I don't love her, but I | :49:33. | :49:40. | |
prefer Sharon Osbourne and Nicole. And I think Liam is really talented. | :49:41. | :49:45. | |
He is the one person in the band that will make a great career. There | :49:46. | :49:52. | |
have been rumours, but do you know for a fight? I have only heard | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
rumours. I think Liam will be good for her, he is really musical comedy | :50:00. | :50:05. | |
Gary Barlow of that band. I know you say you are good friends but Simon | :50:06. | :50:13. | |
Cowell. I am. Do you think you will wobble over the ratings? I think | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
that is why he will make changes. He needs to bring it back to what it | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
used to be. But is he warbling, losing confidence if he is not | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
always successful? The always wants to be top dog. She is in America at | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
the moment, doing talent shows on both sides of the Atlantic. May be X | :50:35. | :50:44. | |
Factor should be rested? No. And who cares about The Voice? It has not | :50:45. | :50:51. | |
been successful in the UK. Do you think ITV can have The Voice and X | :50:52. | :51:00. | |
Factor on the same schedule? I think The Voice will follow on from X | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
Factor. The Voice has never had a star, tell me one who has had a head | :51:07. | :51:14. | |
from that anywhere? Tell me! For goodness sake! X Factor as that hat | :51:15. | :51:20. | |
every year. Then eight months later, Simon drops them. -- X Factor has | :51:21. | :51:28. | |
had hits every year. You have had lots of people who have had careers | :51:29. | :51:34. | |
because of the X Factor. Let's talk about you personally. I read you | :51:35. | :51:37. | |
have been losing your hearing, right? I thought I was, because on | :51:38. | :51:44. | |
the auditions two years ago, I could not hear everything. It was because | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
of the live audience. Which I think they should bring back. You need the | :51:49. | :51:54. | |
live audience, you want to get more out of the contestants. My hearing | :51:55. | :52:01. | |
is lucky, and I did and it -- I did an advertisement about hearing aids. | :52:02. | :52:11. | |
Does anyone have a question? Come on! No questions for Louis Walsh? | :52:12. | :52:21. | |
Isn't that really... You ask me a question. What about Boyzlife? There | :52:22. | :52:39. | |
was a rumour about that, but it will never, ever happen! Why? The boys | :52:40. | :52:49. | |
don't want it, and I don't want it. Westlife don't need anybody. | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
don't want it, and I don't want it. and Ronan Keating get on? | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
don't want it, and I don't want it. really. Why? We have moved on to | :53:00. | :53:04. | |
different things. But no, I don't really like him. LAUGHTER | :53:05. | :53:13. | |
different things. But no, I don't at one stage. Yes, I got him off the | :53:14. | :53:15. | |
hits. What happened? We don't agree at one stage. Yes, I got him off the | :53:16. | :53:22. | |
with each other. And my earpiece has gone! Did he not appreciate the work | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
you did for him? A lot of people are ungrateful | :53:29. | :53:29. | |
you saw him in a restaurant which you speak to him? Of course, I would | :53:30. | :53:41. | |
give them the bill! LAUGHTER But life is good. I love the band you | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
have on tonight. They have a good future. They are absolutely class. | :53:47. | :53:56. | |
And now plans to retire? I did a show for ITV called Drive recently. | :53:57. | :54:02. | |
And I am useless. This is the new Top Gear for ITV. And Top Gear and | :54:03. | :54:08. | |
Chris Evans will blow you out of the water! | :54:09. | :54:14. | |
Chris Evans will blow you out of the driving show and you can't drive and | :54:15. | :54:18. | |
you are in it? But the other people are much better. I make do I shall | :54:19. | :54:31. | |
for RTE, an Irish talent show. Why are you laughing? Because you are | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
everywhere. I cannot believe the man who turned down ?1 million for the | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
jungle. It is always good to have you here. Thank you. Dave Louis | :54:42. | :54:44. | |
Walsh around of applause. Well, that's it for another | :54:45. | :54:51. | |
action-packed Nolan Live. Remember, you can continue | :54:52. | :54:53. | |
the conversation with me after the show on Facebook | :54:54. | :54:55. | |
live and on Twitter. We will end the shore with some | :54:56. | :55:05. | |
fantastic live music. Have a look at this. -- the show. | :55:06. | :55:12. | |
# So if I stand in front of a speeding car. | :55:13. | :55:15. | |
# Would you tell me who you are, what you like? | :55:16. | :55:18. | |
# And the secrets are all that we've got so far. | :55:19. | :55:24. | |
# Even the half smile would help slow down the time. | :55:25. | :55:35. | |
# Maybe this is the safest way to go. | :55:36. | :55:41. | |
# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya. | :55:42. | :55:43. | |
# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya. | :55:44. | :55:55. | |
# You go back to him and then I'll go back to her. | :55:56. | :56:02. | |
# So if I stand in front of a speeding car. | :56:03. | :56:05. | |
# Cos the secrets are all that we've got so far. | :56:06. | :56:16. | |
# Even the half smile would help slow down the time. | :56:17. | :56:28. | |
# Maybe this is the safest way to go. | :56:29. | :56:34. | |
# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya. | :56:35. | :56:37. | |
# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya. | :56:38. | :56:48. | |
# You go back to him and then I'll go back to her. | :56:49. | :56:55. | |
# So if I stand in front of a speeding car. | :56:56. | :56:58. | |
# Would you tell me who you are, what you like? | :56:59. | :57:01. | |
# These secrets are all that we've got so far. | :57:02. | :57:09. | |
# So advertise my, advertise my secret. | :57:10. | :57:58. | |
# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya. | :57:59. | :58:02. | |
# We're singing Heya, heya, heya, heya. | :58:03. | :58:12. | |
# You go back to him and then I'll go back to her. | :58:13. | :58:37. | |
# You go back to him and then I'll go back to her.# | :58:38. | :58:54. |