Episode 3 Nolan Live

Tonight on Nolan Live, paramilitary still rule the roost in many

communities. Should we get rid of them? Donald Trump plays down

offensive Roman -- comment about women. Locker room talk or serious

sexism? Ryan Farquhar is our special guest. He is not ruling out road

racing despite the obvious dangers of the sport.

Good evening, packed studio tonight. A very, very important show as well.

There has been controversy this week over ?1.7 million of public money

being given to the community group in East Belfast called Charter NI.

Well, because its Chief Executive, Dee Stitt,

is a convicted armed robber, who has been closely

involved with the UDA going back many years.

And this is our First Minister, Arlene Foster, standing beside him.

Two weeks ago as she announced the award of that public money

And here's the discussion - is paying public money to groups

that are linked to people with paramilitary backgrounds just

Or are we using too much carrot and not enough stick to end

the scourge of terror groups in our communities?

On Spotlight, the First Minister denied that she was turning a blind

eye to the backgroud of people like Dee Stitt.

I'm not turning a blind eye. What I'm doing is trying to encourage

people to move away from their past. For goodness sake, we're any

mandatory coalition with Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein, part of the republican

movement, who were killing people, killing people of my committee for

many, many years. You seriously suggesting that I walk away from the

Loyalist community? And not trying to bring them along, and trying to

get them away from whatever past they've been involved in. Tried to

bring them along from whatever past they've been involved in. Try to get

them to move on. That would suggest, First Minister, you don't think they

already have? Which is the fundamental question for us tonight.

Should you, Arlene Foster, be insisting that before any group and

I'm not talking about Charter NI now, and talking about big picture

stuff. Should you be encouraging people to move on with public money

before they have decided for themselves that they are going to

stop and then give them the money? Or actually, should you be

associating yourselves with groups that maybe haven't totally stopped

violence, whoever the art. Whoever they are, and not having about

Charter NI. And, therefore, the know what's coming? What do you think?

Quite frankly, the only thing I can say about that would be, do you

think Isis should be paid money? Awarded money for anything that they

are doing? Straightforward question. Paramilitaries haven't went away. I

was burnt out of my home for taking a senior Loyalist to court for

assaulting me on a publicly funded office, this office is still being

funded and the amount of money that is being funded is nothing short of

atrocious and it could be put into better places and better help

further kids. It would be a longer programme, getting into the

specifics of individual cases because they would be another side,

I'm sure, to that story. The counter argument to the thrust of what you

are saying is that for those people who haven't stopped violence, let's

encourage them by showing them some of the sugar, by showing them some

of the opportunity, showing them the money. The are being rewarded, the

paramilitaries. They are basically untouchable. Bps and I know what

they are involved in, they know who these people live. They know the

paramilitaries and it's a proven fact they haven't stopped violence,

they haven't stopped crying, they are thugs. All of this is all proof.

It's facts. -- crime. You don't reward bad behaviour by giving

money. That's going to make them never go away, they're never going

to stop. How much money have they had already? There is no

sugar-coating this at all, it's as simple as that. They don't deserve

any more money. It had enough. They had millions. She has her points and

sure she believes what she's saying. Sinn Fein were rewarded massively in

this country for the last 20 to 25 years. That the political party are

talking about. Of course it is. They were previously connected to a

republican movement which cause mayhem in this country. You forgot

to say in your opening statement that she also been stood by --

beside Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and other people like

that who have backgrounds connected to the republican movement and the

IRA. If we are going to talk about being rewarded, get some

investigative journalist to find out how much money has been put into

Nationalist areas and quite rightly so to help them, I have no problems

with that, but all we ever seem to get its programmes about when

Loyalists try to move on and Loyalist try to do things. Let me

finish. You can nudge ahead as much as you like. The point is, Jonathan

Paul was Tony Blairs's aid, he has openly said that loyalism was left

behind by the governments and by other people. We were left in the

hands instead of trying to be politicised and helped. We've had a

struggle for the last 15 to 20 years. Everything in loyalism isn't

right, Tracy is right when she says there's bad things happening but

there is massively good things. What do you mean I don't want to see it?

Don't start that. Part of the reason you on this programme tonight, one

of the most watched shows in Northern Ireland is because I do

want to see it and I want everyone else to hear your voice. That's the

bottom line. Don't start that nonsense. Here's the bottom line.

2015, at the Loyalist community Council launch, the UDA, red hand

commando, logos were up. Does that suggest that the bull disbanded?

That people stopped, stood down, that the committee has been wanting

to do for however many years? Nearly two decades? What community are you

talking to? You think the lawyers community want UBS and UDA? You're

not elected to speak for the communities. Who are you speaking

for? And speaking of Jim Wilson. And speaking for myself. You're not

selected to speak for the people, you're not elected to speak for the

committee. Hold on now. How that they have a mandate for it... Hold

on one second. Was your father paramilitaries? We're here in the

present. This is the present. The thing that goads me is you two

people have been hurt and they understand that and I've tried to

help you. Your wife has never tried to help me, never. I make two

points. I've been told your father was a member of the UDA. What you've

been told and what you know. Here's the point. I am not with all due

respect interested in the specific stories. I am interested in the

broader big picture as to what we are going to do. It is therefore

needed same that are we really still waiting for the UDA and UVF to stop

their drug dealing, their racketeering, their intimidation and

are we really going to have two essentially bribe them to stop

rather than them stopping and then they are rewarded? And then you are

saying to people, you stopped, naked the opportunity. Which way round

should be? I would say ask the PSN I, who we've been sitting with the

decades and ask them to rid the streets of drug dealers and

gangsters. Whether that's part of loyalism are not, I'm constantly

telling you that a real Loyalists cannot be a drug dealer Ari

criminal. Really? My views and a lot of people views out there, that

takes away from it. You're in that game for your own pocket and self

gain. You're not in it for a loyalism, you're in it for yourself.

Our own affairs minister when she was asked about Dee Stitt, she said

that she is trying to move people away from their past. With the

absolute inference in the tenth of that statement from a First Minister

that she is trying to move them away, there are still some part in

their past. Meanwhile, it Dee Stitt said to me this morning he has left

his paramilitary past well behind. I have a statement from Dee Stitt

which I do want to read on his behalf. Gerry Adams would tell you

to. Even before my leave from prison...

He's very much suggesting in that statement... Are we allowed to move

on? Is the IRA allied to metamorphose eyes into Sinn Fein and

loyal lies is not allowed to do that? The IRA has disbanded. Dee

Stitt is seeing that his letters past behind him and Arlene Foster,

when asked about him, is seen she wants to motivate people like him to

move on as if he hasn't moved on already. So wet as it? Issue

standing beside someone who still have connections to his past or

issue standing beside someone who has said it over and that they get

to stand beside our First Minister? Which is it? How do you move those

people from the past of the future? Do you walk away from it or do you

continue to try to get them to do the right things? That's why this

discussion is so interesting tonight. Who blinks first? Do you

say to them, you will not get anywhere close to our First Minister

until you are absolutely distance yourself from the past? Or do you

encourage them... The PSN I and paramilitaries are joined together,

proven fact. Proven fact. What is the steering group? We get lost in

this language. I need to save from the outset that 20 years on after

ceasefires, we should be having a conversation about paramilitaries.

All former paramilitaries is wrong, whatever initial acronym hides

under, it intimidates people, it wrecks lives. It fuels disadvantaged

in Loyalist communities that people are working hard to address. No

government or PSN I should be doing business with anyone who is involved

in paramilitary activity. There should be open transparent processes

for people to apply to. We are not suggesting that Charter NI is

involved in paramilitary activity. However, we are stating as fact that

the chief executive, Dee Stitt, of Charter NI is a convicted armed

robber and has until recently, he says he was, a member of the UDA.

There is our First Minister any photocall with him handing over a

?1.7 million. As I say... And yet the UDA has not disbanded. The

paramilitary report makes it quite clear there are still members of

paramilitary organisations involved in violence. You raise the issue of

the social investment fund and this is the concern. We want open and

transparent processes. How does one person of any member panel, seven

out of eight of which were appointed by the DUP Sinn Fein, and OFM DFM

told the steering group that we could only appoint members of the

steering group to be the managing agents of this fund. That is not an

adequately open and transparent process and that is the argument we

are making. You didn't support the 1.7 million being given to Charter

NI? I didn't... Only members of that steering group could be appointed to

manage this fund. We suggested it should be an open process, anyone

from the committee should be able to apply for that.

That you object? Those are the issues that concern people in our

community. Have you raised concerns about the effectiveness of Charter

NI? Clearly there are people involved in Charter NI that are

involved in positive work, but the process has not been opened, it has

not been effective and concerns have therefore been raised. Have you

raised concerns about a convicted armed robber being the chief

executive of that organisation? BBC Spotlight has made serious

allegations. It is a shame there has been a statement given here tonight

but as far as I am aware that Charter NI have not put themselves

forward to give an interview on these issues. And dealing with OFM

DFM at the police as well. The DUP said there was no one available. Do

you know what? Fair enough. If you want to commend and talk to this

audience, fair enough, your call. To be fair to Charter NI, and you are

saying that you have concerns, you're the same man who supported

Charter NI at the end of 2013? I was glad to support pieces of wall art

that had replaced paramilitary murals, involving community

development organisation Charter NI. I have already said tonight there is

positive work involved with Charter NI, with the reimaging of murals,

bonfire management, but on this process we have seen a lack of

openness and transparency. We have seen on BBC Spotlight previously,

the Minister for employment Stephen Parry asked by the DUP to create a

pilot project worth ?7 million for Charter NI. It is perfectly entitled

to apply in an open and transparent way but there are posters in

place... I'm sorry, Chris, you said that BBC Spotlight had made a series

of allegations in my case on my life and regarding the same subject of

money being funded to paramilitaries, actor

paramilitaries. That is not allegations. That is what happened.

That is what is still happening now. I think your contribution was

extremely courageous. Go ahead. To be honest, no matter what Apollo

Crews get the money, they just take the money and then jump on the

bandwagon off down the road. It would be better to put the money

into communities and bring in the young people in our future together

instead of bringing them up in a country with hatred. Charter NI is a

legitimate organisation with many decent people working in them, but

you often look at the top of an organisation. You often look at who

is the boss. What about the top of Sinn Fein? This is not about Sinn

Fein. You're making this about the Protestants, I am seeing, who is at

the top of Sinn Fein? They have moved on. Of course they have, they

have been given all the help and support to move on. A lot of people

in the UDA have moved on. Has the IRA responded? You're wrong,

Stephen. Stephen, I'm totally in favour of millions of pounds of

public money being spent on loyalist and national communities because we

needed for social housing, health, welfare and education. I oppose the

paramilitaries, no matter what side of the community they come from, as

financial gatekeepers. We are 20 years into the peace process. I have

always been told that wireless power more trees was a reactionary force

against republican violence. The Republicans have gone. It is time

for the loyalist to leave the stage and time for people to stop coming

forward with the begging bowl, with the implication that there will be

violence if we don't get money for our community. It is for jobs for

the boys in the community and it could be argued that that keeps

those structures intact, by giving them public money. Raymond? I agree

with that man, 100%. Sinn Fein is not selling drugs in the unionist

community. They are not extorting money from businessmen. They are not

driving people out of their homes. They are not putting people under

threat, like yourself, because you speak the truth about the UVF. If

you live in the unionist community and you disagree, they see

themselves as loyalist. I have a problem with this idea that the

loyalist have been left behind. It is very simple. If you believe that,

you and the people who see themselves as spokespeople for the

community, unelected people, stand election and get a mandate. We don't

interfere with Chris Liddle's politics. The people calling the

show, the people involved in responding, there are people trying

to tell the audience in the rest of the country, that Dee Stitt is the

best placed person in east Belfast to be a chief executive. The other

point is,... Again, in fairness to Mr Stitt, he was a member of the

UDA, he has left, he said that himself. What if he has, what if he

is trying to use the past connections he has to try to say to

people, it is the way of the past, get out of it, let's look at

law-abiding behaviour, we will try to get you into education and jobs,

we will help sort the social deprivation that there is a new

community? What if that is what someone like Dee Stitt is all about,

is it not brave of the First Minister to stand beside him? Arlene

Foster said that we have come to fork in the road for these people.

20 years, 22 years the so-called ceasefire. 31 Protestants murdered

by the UDA. And one of them was my son. The Good Friday agreement was

18 years ago. They signed up for it, they let the prisoners out, for both

sides. And we thought that was the end of it. It was anything but the

end of it. The loyalist paramilitaries, and use the loyalist

loosely, they use their power to make money. Let's bring it in. I

welcome anyone who has walked away from the paramilitaries, but I make

lots of young people who are under threat from the paramilitaries, and

some of them Mark Allen villages, and they are not allowed to leave.

They say that they have disbanded, they have to show proof that they

have disbanded. You never hear about, on his programme, on this

programme... Let me finish! You never hear on the Sunday papers, and

you know why? Did know why? I'll give you an example. I went to a TV

programme, not stating it was, and one of the producer said Timmy on

the way out, I said, why do we always get negativity about

loyalism, and he said we don't do good news stories about loyalism. It

is the same everywhere you go. There is plenty of good stuff out there. I

am involved in it. I was asked the come in here tonight, not about

Charter NI, but to defend the right of loyalism to get its fair share of

help and support and move on. How do you define loyalism? There was a man

shot dead less than two months ago. Absolute disgrace. Your song, I try

to help you with your son, right or wrong. At the start, and then you

didn't want to know. -- your son. It is not helpful on a light programme

to get involved in the specifics of this. We are painting loyalism the

same. We have two people knew how lost loved ones, which is wrong...

And the other ones that were killed... You should shout at Arlene

Foster on that. You need to let me share this, or it will not work. I

know that you're hurting tonight, I get that, and I understand that.

Jim, I'm not trying to position this as a programme against loyalism. I'm

trying to ask a very genuine question, which is, do we encourage

people who are still involved in violence with money, with jobs, or,

do they have to stop and then they get the rewards? Of course, Stephen.

They have to have mechanisms in place before they get any sort of

money anywhere. They need to be shown in that community that they

are working for the community. Not for themselves but for the

community. And I support anything like that. I would not ask that

money be given to any group anywhere, unless it was bona fides,

it was doing things that were going to make changes in our community. As

soon as money is being handed out in loyalist communities, there was a

big uproar. The point about this is that, Republicans have passed the

same as are people. I have never seen a programme where we are

sitting and talking about Republicans who have got funding.

And they have got mountains more than we have got over the years.

Arlene Foster, the First Minister, has said that we are at a fork in

the road. Let's just have a listen to watches it. I don't want anyone

under any illusion as to what might determine -- the termination is to

deal with these people. There is a fork in the road coming, coming up

very soon. I want to see the police moving in and taking these people

out of society. And those deciding that they want to move away from

violence, intimidation and paramilitaries, then we will work

with them. The thing I find confusing about the First Minister's

contribution there, "There is a fork in the road coming up". Did did not

come up at the Good Friday agreement many years ago, First Minister? Is

there another fork in the road? What kind of statement is that to the

people who did choose after the Good Friday agreement to leave a violence

behind? And you want to see the police moving in, very, very soon?

Should the police not have been living in decades ago? Are the

police not living in right now? What do you mean, Arlene Foster, buy, you

want to see the police moving in, very, very soon? Why didn't they

move in yesterday? Is there some kind of deal, some deadline,

extended time limit when many of us thought it was the Good Friday

agreement? What do you mean, there was a fork in the road coming up?

Have you told the public this? What is the deadline for that fork in the

road? The man in the shirt. The problem is we are focusing on groups

instead of issues. It was international mental health Day

recently. We should be focusing for example on the back that Northern

Ireland has the highest mental health problems and the highest rate

of prescription antidepressants. We should invest in those issues which

rip publicans and loyalist all suffer from, and that would be for

the benefit of Northern Ireland. I was eight when the agreement was

signed, and we need to seriously move on from it. We need to get the

economy going and give people a reason to wake up in the morning and

try to bring some enthusiasm back. But the executive office don't want

to speak to us tonight. APPLAUSE

Let me put it a different way. They have not put somewhere here to speak

for you tonight. I am happy to speak to them tomorrow morning before I go

to work. This is what they said in a statement, the executive office has

committed ?80 million to 69 projects. That is what they have

said. The DUP statement has just come up. The Northern Ireland

executive has... Look at that power and within that.

Can be just bring that up again? Who want to "Transition". Transition is

a keyword in that. Were they not required to do that many years ago?

That is at the heart of debate, tonight. I think the debate has

moved away from where it should be. The money given to transition into

peaceful community, that should be invested in the infrastructure of

integrated education otherwise we will have a generational problem, we

are going to come back to this and every generation will be the same

thing. People need to be better educated to move away from the

violence. That way, we will not have to offer a money as a reward because

they weren't actually needed. A recent report into paramilitaries

basically said, if I read the fresh start independent panel report, it

said none of the groups were prepared to use the word "Disband".

That is from June 20 16. None of the paramilitary groups were prepared to

use the word, this band. -- disband. The great failure of the peace

process, and I think we all have an interest in Stormont working and

government working, but the breakthrough has been that we have

not -- the great failure has been that we have not dealt with the

residual paramilitaries, drug dealing and criminality. The report

called on the police to take a different approach. Yes, and we are

told that there will be an organised crime strategy and we were supposed

to see that in June, and we have not seen it yet, and there was any

organised crime task force, which is funny, because there has been an

organised crime task force for the past 15 years, which seems to have

disappeared. When Arlene Foster talks about the

police moving in very soon? How do you read that? I think the question

is if the police do move and soon, what support either going to have?

This has to be an integrated strategy. There is some force and

what Jim says. You can go across all of Northern Ireland and look at

group the Nationalist unity and there are many community

organisations led by or involved with the paramilitaries who have

changed and moved on and are working for the communities. We do need to

see that in loyalism as well. The problem is, you also have people

currently in loyalism who are actively involved in serious

organised crime, drug dealing and extortion. No matter what you do, in

terms of offering job opportunities are a community groups, you are not

going to replace the amount of money they can make from drug dealing in

any other way. The police are aware of them things. The police have had

evidence, proof and yet still wouldn't name the organisation.

Go-ahead. That's you, go ahead. About the next generations, a

genuine question, do you think there is a responsibility in the media and

the likes of your show, which is very popular, not to disrespect any

of the previous comments, but we are talking about the same thing over

and over again. I queued up for the show tonight. You are certain there

will be chat about paramilitaries. Not to take anything away from the

stuff that has gone in the past, but can we move on and focus on the

positive things, mental illness and things like that? What you think the

responsibility of the media is? I think the media have a huge

responsibility but at the end of the day, this is millions of pounds of

taxpayer's money being handed out and what we are trying to do is

scrutinise where it's going, how effective is that money being spent,

who is spending it. What is the infrastructure around the

appointment of the people who do spend it? Is very interesting point,

Dee Stitt may be the perfect person to head up an organisation handling

millions of pounds. Is he? And just asking those questions. You said

there were 80 million in the social investment fund. You are talking

about 1.7 million. The other 79 million, if you the CEOs of all of

them? Who is in charge? The Good Friday Agreement, that was the

biggest farce we've ever had because at the end of the day, didn't know

about the letters. The Loyalist communities have been left behind.

There are people in Loyalist communities working really hard,

really really hard and if any money goes into it, you're just

continually getting this. You have to remember what is going into the

national communities and the pain getting it for years. They're

getting there, they're getting that. Catch yourself an! See if the

Republicans can get, Martina Anderson, there is another one.

She's an MEP. Recently, she actually said how proud you was to be who she

was and what she did. THEY TALK OVER EACH OTHER

Bye no, no, no! Have you been on the receiving end from the

Loyalist community they deserved to stop torturing people's lives. They

should not be paid and rewarded. Called an! Hold an! Called on one

second. With all of that angle and you have, -- anger, you don't want

drug dealing, racketeering. In your community. There is nothing going

into Loyalist communities. No way do I want drug Finn community. Stop

shouting and let me speak to you, one second. Once the UDA -- when is

the UDA and the UVF owing to disband? I am asking you. The IRA

hasn't disbanded! Rae I've been stoned by so-called Loyalist

paramilitaries. In the last three chief constables, loyalism has asked

them and pleaded with them to take the drug dealers and the scum of the

streets. You check with any of the last chief constables and that's

what's been said constantly by leaders of loyalism. 1000 off the

streets. We don't want them soiling our name. It's a small section of

loyalism, unfortunately with them at... Let me finish, I'm speaking.

You look at the media every Sunday and Stephen's programme, when it

comes to flags, bonfires, it is all, negative stories about loyalism.

There is a massive amount of work being done by Loyalist Outram Street

that has not been talked about are on the media or anything. We are fed

up to the teeth of being criminalised and demonised. It is

the handful of people that are doing it. Why is there a need for the UDA

and the UVF? Why don't they go away, Jim? Look at me and explain to me...

Has republican violence completely stopped? Is there a dissident

element out there? Do you know why it Loyalist groups... Do you know

why Loyalist groups want to defend this country against violent

republicanism? This is an important point. 1000 people, between 2013 and

2014, 1000 people were driven out of their own homes due to paramilitary

intimidation within their own community. 1000 people. Why is it

not happening in Republican areas? 1000 people, Jim. In all areas? So

it's not just Loyalist? I will do whatever I want. Omagh, all my.

You're not such a brave man. You take anybody off the street, the go

to court. If they take anybody off the street, the go to court. What

happens then? Can we get this judiciary that right? There is a lot

of heat investors and I get that. It is a big discussion we need to have

and I hope that we've covered some of it tonight. Get our guests a

round of applause. -- give. My next guest is a road

racer who is a real Ladies and gentlemen,

it's Ryan Farquhar! Come off the back of that, for

goodness sake. You had a major crash this year and you're looking for

healthy after that but it was only a couple of months ago. The 12th of

May, a Thursday night, five months to the day. It was a few months, I

wasn't in a great way whenever I got out of hospital and started eating

my normal food, I've just come on leaps and bounds ever since that.

Were looking at this together now. When you see that now, what's in

your head? It was so worth. -- it was sore. I remember it happening

and I was struggling to breathe and the first thing I want to do was get

the helmet. The marshals wanted to stop me moving Inc is broken neck.

My feet were very sore and my ribs were very sore. I was struggling to

breathe, there was quite a bit of sweat as well. You are literally

struggling to breathe? I was really badly winded at that stage. I

thought, these than I have had here, I'm not too bad. I eventually got

the helmet off and started looking around. At that stage, I wasn't even

aware that I was hit by a bike. I remember losing the front end. The

tyre just lost grip. I remember it sliding along the road and thinking,

this is going to hurt. When I stopped tumbling,... You had a

punctured lung, two broken bones in your food, six broken ribs, internal

bleeding, a cut in your letter. At that stage, I didn't realise... I

almost said paramilitaries. I meant paramedics.

You've been sitting here listening to that for 1520 minutes. Whenever

the paramedics got Toomua... Stick with the paramilitaries, it is the

better story. Whenever they got to me, I was complaining of two release

feet. I was wearing the best possible safety gear that is on the

market but my feet were really sorry and I thought I had smashed my

ankles up. I wasn't aware that I had a serious injury to my liver and

broken ribs. The doctor, as soon as he got to me he knew that there was

a problem. Was there a point during that you had enough awareness of

rain due to think and I going to die or is that not happen to you? At

that stage, I'm on the ground, I've got away with it, I'm so, I bullied

some hospital attention. You were flown on a police helicopter. At

that stage, I didn't realise I had the injuries that I had. Why do this

then? It's the adrenaline. It's an addiction. To me and every other

writer, these things happen. -- writer. I've no regrets. I hope to

do it again. You hope to ride again? The only way I can describe it...

The paramilitaries might not always be available! If you take somebody

that is a smoker, a drinker, that's overweight, they just can't handle

themselves. I'm exactly the same. You've played a blinder at night

with your one-liners, haven't you? This man is the comedienne!

To me, riding a motorbike... A few people in that audience just as fat

as me. I'm looking at them now. Timmy, riding a motorbike is

probably like a bag of prawn cocktail to you! -- to me. You have

an addiction, I have an addiction. Mine is probably a bit more

dangerous than yours. That is the only way I can describe it. I

started riding motorbikes for fun. One of the fortunate ones that has

turned it into an occupation. Motor racing has been good to me. My

family, we have done OK. I haven't made a fortune but I have done OK. I

have tried to learn from this. When we talk about the dangers of the

sport on these programmes, some of the racing fraternity get angry with

me because I don't understand that it is a life obsession with some

people. It is. It's not just me. My whole family. It's a way of life,

it's not a sport. Every other rider out there, like, I know loads of

families that every last penny goes into the bikes. I know one guy that

has built a new house, that couldn't afford to put those in the house

because he would go racing at the weekends. Until you have done it,

you just can't describe what this addiction is like. Somebody that

smokes, I think that they are mad. It is costing them a fortune. What

is your wife seeing? It is fair to say that she would be happy to see

me quitting. But up until tonight she has been 100% behind me in

everything I have done. But at the minute, I am far from being fit to

get on a bike. Would you be happy to see him going back, Karen?

Realistically, with this injury, I didn't think he would be fit to, but

a few years back, he had to quit, then he decided to go back and I

supported him. And I would say if it did come through, I probably would

support him. But I somehow think that with this injury, Ryan was very

ill, and was very, very lucky to be here. Just with the injuries he has,

I don't think he would be able to. Are you going to rule it out or not?

The way I am looking at it at the minute, if I can get my body into

the condition it needs to be, it is one thing getting on a bike and

riding it, the other thing you have to look at, I have to be able to

withstand the crash. There is no way if I had a small crash, it could

kill me, you know? It is hard to say. I don't want to finish my

career off the way it is now. But if my body is in fit enough I will just

have to accept that. I have had a fantastic career. I have no regrets.

I have enjoyed every minute, even through the bad times. We very much

wish you well for the future. It is a serious subject tonight, but

you'll also given as a laugh. So thank you very much indeed.

US presidential hopeful Donald Trump caused an outcry earlier this week

after being caught making remarks about groping women.

The offensive comments were on a 2005 video

Please bear in mind that some viewers may find this offensive.

It was Walker room talk. I am not proud of it. I apologise to my

family and to the American people. -- it was locker room talk.

So are Donald Trump's words a relic of a bygone era,

or do they lift the lid on how many men, and perhaps women,

actually talk about the opposite sex behind closed doors?

It is quite extraordinary, isn't it? It is important that I jumped

straight in and challenge this idea of locker room banter. There are

things that men say about women and vice versa that we don't intend

anybody else to hear. There is absolutely issue, when I am using TV

friendly language, when a guy says that she has got a great body and I

would love to do by, Y and Z two hour, that would not be appropriate

in the workplace, or in front of people who are uncomfortable with

that language. But we're not talking about somebody saying what they

would like to do. We are talking about somebody who said that they

would actively, physically assault somebody without consent. He talked

about consent and said that she said no, therefore he failed. He didn't

force himself upon anyone. He said he just goes and grabs them. And

that is a criminal offence, and a sort, that is not banter. That is a

crime being talked about and we should be very clear about that. You

are a big supporter of Donald Trump, we have brought you in from the

States this evening. When he says locker room talk, does he really

think that decent men talk about that in the locker room? In the

locker room, I don't know, I have never been in one. What I thought

was interesting, if you watch that debate, there were three woman

there, and the other person, the very important person that you need

to know her name was Cathy Shelton. We don't need to know any of their

names, we don't know who they are. Let's cut to the point. Would you

let me make my point? I did not interrupt you. The point is, what he

said was bad but what Helu Clinton did was bad that Cathy Shelton,

because when she was 12 years old, she was a young girl who was raped.

The prosecutor that went after her was a woman by the name of... This

is not where we are going with this. You know the score. Let me anchor of

this tonight. What I want you to talk to me about is whether many

American men and men anywhere in the world actually think that it is the

way we speak? That we say, I am powerful, I can do whatever I want?

Is that acceptable? Again, I look at those women who were the victims.

They were the victims of a powerful man, they could not say anything

because he was so powerful. It happens all the time that you see

that, and it's not right, but the difference between saying words and

doing, the women who were there had been accosted, had been assaulted,

one of them had been raped. It is critical. What Donald Trump said,

actively said that he would go around grabbing women by body parts,

I have a daughter, sister and mother and a wife, and if you said anything

like that about them I would react like Robert De Niro did. We don't

only defend women because they might be your relatives. We should not

assault women because women are human beings, for crying out loud! I

have just agreed with that. That you can ill identify them as woman

because they only belong to you, that is the kind of sexist nonsense

that Donald Trump comes out with and you should be ashamed of yourself!

If that was what he said, of course it is abhorrent. Nobody advocates

violence against women and the body is going to defend what Donald Trump

said, nobody. But let's move this forward to the way that men talk

when they are in... Hold on, this is, Dawan, Marton. I got a taxi here

tonight and I said, what is it like? And they said that the women are

just as bad in Belfast, when they've had a few drinks, what they talk

about in single sex groups. Men talk differently in single sex groups.

Locker room banter is a thing. There is a code of loyalty amongst men.

But what he said was grotesque. You think that women have banter about

what they can do to men if they are so powerful, that they can exploit

them? If you ever overhear a hen party at a bar, like I did at City

Airport on the way out... This is quite frankly sexist and deluded

nonsense that men are predatory sexist rapists and waiting and that

woman are all innocent and pretty. All of us say things in single sex

groups that we might not want to go public like this. It's probably

happen to every single person in this audience, let's be honest. I

have never made any jokes about raping men. Obviously rape is

extreme, and there is nobody that would even remotely tried to defend

it. What we are talking about is... You know what? Shush! What we're

talking about is if women with up to a man in a nightclub and felt his

bum. Is that any less of a lack of respect? She absolutely should not

be doing it. Is that assault? Of course. Anyone you grab without

their permission, that is a form of assault. If a woman says, I would

like to see under your kilt, is that friendly banter or all right because

it is a man? It is rude and it is not acceptable in the wrong

circumstances it is not people that you are sure are comfortable with

that sort of language, but there's quite a big difference between

somebody making a joke and somebody doing that, maybe flirting and being

a bit too forward. It is disappointing to imagine that men in

our society or a woman or anybody doesn't know the difference between

a bit of flirting and sexual assault, and justifying sexual

assault. The overwhelming majority of people do. I have understood that

from your comments already. You are saying something ludicrous and

grotesque. You cannot say that male or female banter is OK, if you

advocate sexual violence. That is preposterous. What Donald Trump is

saying is not banter. It is something completely different. He

is advocating, to a large extent admitting that he openly commits, a

crime. It has nothing to do with banter. He's not saying that he has

admitted to a crime. What he said was, he failed. Grabbing someone

without their permission is definitely a crime in most places.

You need to make this quick. I would like to say what is so sad is that

we have come to a time when people cannot just like each other. Men and

women, remember the old days when men with open doors for women and

women would say thank you, and now we try to be so strong and equal, we

have forgotten how to be nice to each other. What he said was wrong,

he apologised and that was right. But what you are talking about, in a

bar, why cant you flirt with a guide, and why can a girl flirt with

the man? We have to get along with each other. We have forgotten how to

be nice with each other. Stephen... Those remarks were made 11 years

ago, I am sure. He was a young, immature 59-year-old 11 years ago!

APPLAUSE He was not an elected politician

then, but a high-flying businessman. He made flippant remarks in private,

he thought, and your lady friend beside you has exaggerated and the

whole of America and the world is over this story like a rash. What

they have not got over is, more recently, publicly, exaggerated and

threatened that if he got into power, he would ban an entire

religion from entering his country. That story seemed to just fizzle

away like the snows of last winter. Do you not think that some people

are too sensitive? I agree with you. Wendy two sexes get-together, that

is all right, when a group of girls or a group of men get together, they

would say things that they would not say in mixed company. If there are

people, men or women who refuse to admit the culture or harm of

comments like the ones that Donald Trump has made, do you need to say

more rate, someone you know, someone specific, is that how far you would

need to go? This idea that it was ages ago, he still says things like

that. That is all for this week. We will continue this discussion on the

radio. Before we go, we have a treat

for you - local singer, Janet Devlin, with her new single,

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