Episode 4 Nolan Live

A new attempt to change abortion law is launched at Stormont.

Will this one succeed where others have failed?

Should kids as young as ten be warned of the dangers of porn -

We are heading live to the States, ahead of the third

presidential debate showdown between Trump and Clinton.

And there is classic rock, from Smokie.

And it is all in front of a live studio audience.

A fresh bid to change abortion law here in Northern Ireland

It comes at day after Amnesty International is claiming that the

majority of people here want to see abortion in days like rape incest

and foetal foetal abnormality. We are going to discuss this in the

studio to. Lots of audience will have differing views. When I was

minister I attempted to introduce abortion in cases of fatal foetal

abnormality were the foetus would either die during pregnancy at birth

or shortly afterwards and no treatment could be offered which

would prolong life for me life meaning. That was something which

arose out of discussions between the Department of Health and justice

when I was just Minister. You are well aware of the way after some of

those discussions were happening the issue was highlighted, when Sarah

highlighted her story. I promised that I would seek to do something

about it. I was blocked as minister and not allowed to take things

forward by the Executive but I am now seeking to take it forward as a

private member. It was blocked before why has that changed now it

was blocked because the Executive is to agree to Executive Bill but they

do not have to agree to private member's bills. It was owed in

February. And they produced lines like that a lot time to the lengthy

consultation by the Department of Justice. There is no excuse for that

now. We will treat it as a separate bill. We will see how it goes. I

believe there is the prospect that we will actually get legislation

through on this narrow area. Well I mean you will have seen this week we

published our survey findings that show that 70 of people in Northern

Ireland do agree that in cases of rape and incest women and girls

should be able to access abortion here nor Northern Ireland. I just

wanted to point out that we worked closely with David on the bill that

he has admitting and while it is fantastic that FFA is on the agenda

I want to impress upon everybody that they key things we are looking

for a Amnesty International are instances of rape and incest. Those

women and girls need to be able to access abortion is Northern Ireland

and a. Let's have a look at your survey statistics. Amnesty

International... What is your reaction first of all

to that, Dawn the first thing I want to say is that there will be women

who are watching this right now who are facing are have faced these

situations. Nothing that I say I want to minimise the pain that they

have felt or our feeling. We need to speak with compassion and

sensitivity because these are real lives these are our family members

and friends. We chose not to use the term fatal foetal abnormality

because it is now recognised medical term let's stick with the statistic

you have just seen. The vast majority of people in that survey by

Amnesty International supporting abortion in those cases. Although

72. Polling is really interesting, it serves a purpose. It depends on

the question that is asked. When we look at those statistics we do not

deny the statistics being offered. What we are seeing is one of are

heard such stories over the past number of years and we hear about

women being in crisis one someone is then told there is a woman in crisis

she is suffering and they answer is abortion then people wanted to fix

the problem. What we are saying is there are other ways to solve this

problem then terminating the life of the number and child. Let's go

straight to your audience. The lady here go ahead. If you're suggesting

that there are other ways to fix something that has been proven to be

on what are your suggestions the child has been diagnosed with a

condition and the international perinatal... This is fatal foetal

abnormality the care Association did not use that term because they say

that you cannot definitively say with one certainty that is not

question is it it? Yes it is. If you're a woman who has been told

that your child has no survivability outside of the womb you are seeing

that she is to carry it tells full term to give birth which is

incredibly dramatic, and then what is your suggestion after that what

she she supposed to do I don't know of you have been in this situation.

I have not but we are also talking to women who have been, and the

majority of women who have faced that situation continue to term and

they are other studies that show their long-term mental health

outcome is better. I think that you're forgetting that abortion is

quite a wide range of issues. You're just focusing on fatal foetal

abnormality that is because I was asked about that. You were asked

about the entire service. The 70 does not refer to fatal foetal

abnormality. Let's have a look at these statistic for that. Slightly

lower. But still a significant majority. 60 according to this

Amnesty International poll saying abortion should be available in

cases again the Rowan centre in the north we support the work that they

do. The rape crisis network in the side did their own statistics, there

are and the majority of women who have become pregnant as rape choose

to carry on and find that I meant a hideout comes sorry can I just ask

what statistics you are going on because they have never seen Amnesty

International takes a human race based approach.

As we do with Oliver other campaigns. It is about the right to

life of the child. One at a time. I think it is it disgrace that in this

country we force women and girls children who are victims of rape to

get on aeroplanes and travel to England to get abortions that the

rest of the country are able to access and we are doing that to

women in Northern Ireland. APPLAUSE there is loads of time

loads of time. There you're just the flight so thank you for joining us

from our studios in in Dublin. Amnesty International saying that

they are taking a human rights approach to this good evening

Stephen. There is nothing human about the destruction of an innocent

unborn child. The child in the womb is a unique individual human being

and what Amnesty are calling for is the killing of innocent human

beings. It is a disgrace that this so-called human rights is at the

killing of little boys little girls in their mother's worm. I find that

quite offensive and inflammatory so I am going to that is a red herring

and a misnomer. What it is because that is not what Amnesty is that

for. What are you advocating? Little women in the womb are not protected

because of Amnesty. Those who have been victims of sexual crime to no

longer have to board aeroplanes and get abortions in England. I wanted

to see women you talk about compassion where is the compassion

and the human rights for the women that we are forcing two go in front

of the court in Belfast on a regular basis in the last ten years 70

people have been prosecuted for abortion related activity. That is

a. If I can just come back and over 90 of abortions performed in the UK

are for social reasons. It is a very rare according to which a survey?

According to Department of Health figures. We see very clearly that

rape incest and fit foetal abnormality are not the highest hold

on, what percentage did you quote 99% of social reasons less than one

are for incest and fatal abnormality.

To social. Steve Mac contraceptive failures failures... . If I contact

the Department of Health tomorrow morning which I will do they will

confirm well that there is a survey saying mentioning percent of those

who leave Northern Ireland for an abortion in England are for social

reasons? The Department of Health figures for the UK state very

clearly that there is less than one of abortions performed for a rape

and incest and fit foetal abnormality. That includes women

from Ireland. That is because a lot of women don't want to disclose the

fact they have been raped because it is a dramatic circumstance to find

yourself in. And killing the child makes it more dramatic for that

matter. A lot of women who have been rooted or do not want her have to

write down on a form that they have been the victim of incest. Then we

should give compassion and support to those women. We have a situation

where that we should have a situation where women can be treated

with the GP the already have. She is fighting for the life of a child in

her view. A human life. We advocate the human rights, and it is not just

on international. We did not decide this on a whim. This is based on the

United Nations making decisions. This is based on the European Court

of Human Rights, based on the Belfast High Court. But you need to

respect the views of people here. I think it is a disgrace that she

thinks that calling it little girls and little boys Europe are basically

guilt tripping the people that basis this decision every day of their

lives. What are they if they are not little boys and girls they are

foetuses that is what they are. Bundles of filth a woman woman. What

are the foetus it is a human being at it earliest stage of development.

The means little one. OK, all right! Second of all I am so happy that

this bill is being passed on at the moment cos it is finally giving

women the right to have control over their body and if you do not like

abortion do not have it. That is my but you are not getting women

control of their bodies. Your killing little babies. There was a

working group an announced by the DUP leader that was asking they help

Minister to set up a working group about something which is actually to

do with criminal justice and there are responsibility of the Minister

of Justice. It is now become a joint working group between the two

departments and we gather it reported to the ministers last week.

Any word on the report? No, I was asking yesterday in the Assembly, as

were others why do would not publish the report. They covered it up with

having to take issues to the Executive. They do have the

Executive is going to take a decision, but is the ministers'

report on the have a right to publish. What was this report

looking into? Below are under abortion in general as I understand

it. And they have it finished it is finished and was presented, as I

understand it to the ministers last week. They have a right to publish

it to inform public thinking in Northern Ireland and they ought to

do it but the Health Minister yesterday was visibly stonewalling.

Maybe they would say that they want time to discuss it in government

before releasing it to the public. No, it an expert report to them.

There is no reason why it cannot be published on the Executive committee

decide what to do but to is clear that the Executive was previously

unknown to do anything which is why have produced my own Private members

Bill. What do you think was going on I think it discuss what is not going

on nearly every week this is just another example. When I was in the

Executive I released report if they came to me there were published

pretty well immediately. They formed public debate. We did genuine

consultations about I was minister and we reacted to them.

The man with the glasses. Who are due did tell women what to do with

her body? The role of the law is to protect life. But you are not taking

into account people having been through traumatic cases. They are

saying Amnesty International are coming from a human rights

perspective. The unborn Child has rates in more and you are talking

about removing laws. If it is not a human life, what is it? It is not

just a collection of sales. By eight weeks, a 16 days, there is a

heartbeat. By eight weeks, everything is fear. Within the first

trimester, nothing else has. Does that not make you think again, when

you hear that as a heartbeat? It because years for my wife to get

pregnant and I do not see how you can vilify a vulnerable women.

Please do not misunderstand me. I am not objectifying women in this. I am

trying to be compassionate, but there are two lives. Why are the

executive blocking this? It is my impression that we are being

governed by a Christian government. Would it not be better to have the

society which is mentally healthy rather than one which is protecting

religious rubbish? Hold on. Would you like to respond to that? I think

it is very clear that the government upholds the rates of the people. We

protect older citizens. Can I tell you, here we are having a discussion

about abortion and you have just mentioned the government. We as the

government to come in. Lot of you have come from all over the country

to sit here and thank you for doing so. We asked the government, all of

those very well paid ministers, for just one to respect you and sit here

and do you know what they said, no. When you ask the question of

government, just know that the said no. They would not sit in front of

you have this discussion. Does that answer your question? It speaks

volumes. Go ahead. When you talk about the government, the government

is very much represented in many of the campaigns that we have launched

recently. 250,000 signatures were taken to the government in the

petition. The government knows the views of the vast majority of the

people of the country. According to this survey, it is not the opinion

of the vast majority of people living here. This is a BBC poll that

we did last year. That is the statistics.

You can see the sample size and the outwardly but the point that that is

just one opinion poll. But when you see the vast majority of people in

Northern Ireland, to of these polls completely contradict what you are

seeing. How can we take these seriously? We talk about abortion,

too many people it is just a warrant. It is the violent

destruction of an unborn child. It destroys women. When you inform

people of the consequences of abortion on the unborn Child and the

women, people show their opposition to it. That is patently incorrect.

It is not. We have very robust figures that show that actually the

vast majority, 72% would allow for actual abortion law reform and I

think that you are totally misrepresenting women's rights and

human rights. You are talking about compassion, but it is not in

existence. The bill was passed around fatal foetal abnormality for,

I would it has for more future relaxation of the all? If the law

was changed, would you feel if supported? I want to be doubt this.

Can you answer the question first? For example, the 1967 law. Would you

support that? As a law-abiding citizen, I would not break the law,

but I would not agree with it. Please do not read paragraphs out.

Off the top of my head, this is not about Christianity. This is not a

made up definition of human life that either of us are stating. The

European Court of Justice, for reasons of patentability, because

you cannot make money off human body parts, have defined life is

beginning at fertilisation and said human dignity is comfort from

fertilisation. If we can do that because of money, surely begin do

that out of compassion? Can I just asked, if you are discussing human

rights, of a woman has been raped, does that mean that you would force

the women to meet the man who raped her? In America, they have brought

in a lot to say that the biological father has no rates on their child

in those circumstances. We are not in America. What does the law here

in the United Kingdom see? The fat that has rates. Yes, the women would

have to face the rapist. That is fundamentally wrong. I am not saying

it this rate are wrong. In America. I am not talking about America, I am

talking about here. What we do surely is look at their reality of

the situation for someone. The majority of women who have become

pregnant in this manner have continued with the pregnancy. But

that is the choice. Structurally and systemically, we do not need to make

changes. Hope traumatic must it be for the example raised by a member

of the audience. The law says the rapist will have access to the

Child. When you talk about the statistics of conception because we

want to cater for both the mother and the Child. Any civilised

society, we provide that key and loving support. But is that support

the support for the women who might want an abortion because she has

been raped. You want the law to force her to have a child. We do not

want the law to force people into anything. When women have conceived,

for them it was because they have raped been all the Child suffering a

life threatening condition. What is the alternative? It is providing

better health and support. What is that actually look like? Kelly you

one serious question, do you genuinely think that by banning

abortion in Northern Ireland, that it stops abortion? As we know, 1000

women a year are travelling over to the United Kingdom to have

abortions. I would like to see, the women on the television, that has a

clear. Hold on, she is not a hussy. Address are properly. It is

traumatic for the women, carrying each child in the instance raped of,

it could affect the mental health, having to raise a baby conceived by

the person who raped her. I want to achieve balance, to anyone people in

the audience wanted to begin defence of the two ladies in the audience.

-- on the panel. In 2013, people made their opinions known. 250,000

people said no to a change in the law here. People should be listened

to. That is a fact. I do not know where the figure comes from. You do

not represent the people. Amnesty International do represent the

people either? Or did you get the petitions from? From the people of

Northern Ireland. You will see the boxes, the role piled up. Go on. Do

that for us. Can I just come in. Are you a member of any campaign group?

I am a member of precious life. We have been campaigning successfully

for 20 years. When were they handed them? 2013. Talking about mental

health and the health of unborn children. Surely that is a health

issue, also a site psychological health issue. The government can or

cannot play God. History shows us what happened when we self

categorise lives as being not one of the protection in the law. In the

documentary last week, the lady talked about her son who had Down's

syndrome about the circle redraw about protecting some lives, is fine

until you are in with the circle. Before we let our guests leave, you

are front-page news in the newspapers after you had been

removed as an elder from your local Presbyterian Church after you spoke

out in favour of gay marriage. How long will you in the church? I put

out a statement about exactly what happened. I support of the Alliance

policy. I thought that should be civil marriage with full protection.

But you are a member of the church for 30 years. I did not want to

discuss me here. Hold on. It appears the audience agrees with me. I am

not trying to entrap you. You are part of a church for 30 years and

what I was going to Askew was doesn't hurt when you are kicked out

of the church that you were part of when all you have done is voice an

opinion? What is Christian about that? What hurts is when we come to

discuss serious issues on the traumas inflicted on women carrying

a foetus with an abnormality when you turn the subject round to what

we are seeking to do. Of course it hurts me, but that is nothing like

the heart which other people have gone through. -- hurt. You are a

prominent politician in the country. EV tiling politician, people keep

telling me. You are still a politician. What you have done. How

much time as you wasted when we should be discussing the issue at

hand? One question and know you keep going? You presented it as if it was

a big surprise. You have at least been public and thank you for doing

that. What I mean to say is, are there some people in society who

will admire you for speaking out in favour of gay marriage and others

will think you are wrong, but there is a question of public interest

with someone like you, simply just by speaking your mind, you have been

thrown out of the church. I guess I am just asking, tell me from the

heart what that means, what that says about the church? See all the

judges fell into that doctrine. Unless you follow our exact way, you

we are going to throw out your friendship. You are gone. You are

out of our lives. That is why my question was relevant. And it is the

same answer. It is the seamers and I gave you in March. I would rather

talk about what we are here to talk about.

It matters more to me that as a public representative I do what I

was elected to do to meet the needs of people in society who have

problems and to seek compassion in public life. I think you have

actually said it. The suffering... I know you knew I was going to ask you

a question about it so thank you for coming in and by you for not ducking

it. I respect you so thank you. Ladies and gentlemen get our guests

the round of applause. CHEERING

Right, America is on ten to. Last Vegas will be rocking. It will be

one of the biggest showdowns in the incidence. The battle who should

become the next president of the United States and just the viewers,

the and final US presidential debate between Donald Trump

and Hillary Clinton will take house similar ID fake candidates on

the television show to the real candidates do you believe you can be

edible devoted president to all the people that is a great question

then. About the inner cities my name is James and I did not ask anything

about the inner cities. Speaking of black men you know who else should

be in jail Hillary Clinton. She has committed so many crimes she is

basically a black. Secretary Clinton do you wish to respond no, I am

cool. Let's also take a look at the club of Hillary Clinton well not

really Hillary Clinton a reaction to the trail of her from an audience

member in the same skit. Hi, Patrice. Let me start by walking

over to you just as I practised. Right left right left plant feed.

The trees you are a teacher you have children? Yes. You like children no.

You have seen children? Yes. We are bonding already Let's go live to the

States to talk to trump supporter and Clinton fan. Karl let start with

you how close is this selection and what is it going to be like to I

don't have to tell you Stephen in the UK satire is a great way of

getting along a political point. Saturday Night Live has been on the

ear for over 30 years in America and they have skewered with some

equality both Republicans and Democrats. I wouldn't go so far as

to say I wouldn't go so far as to the I am a Trump supporter an

anti-Hillary Clinton... What is wrong with her these WikiLeaks

documents have revealed just one position and private and another in

public. She is not trusted. They ball have shown that most Americans

do not believe she is honest and trustworthy and they say the same

about Donald Trump although much higher than Hillary Clinton. I think

there is is cynicism in the united states that is deeper than anything

I have ever seen before. Neither candidate is discussing real issues

that affect real people. It is all about the power and winning the

election. The reason Laura why those that

Saturday night live clips are going around the world as some people are

watching them and thinking that is actually very close to reality! You

know, a few years ago when Sarah Palin was on the ticket she was

betrayed by Tina fey and then in a bowl Katie Couric and they are an in

actual interview with the actual text from the interview. Saturday

Night Live like many said really breaks through. If it gets people to

not and tune into the campaigns I think that is is great. Sometimes it

is much closer to the truth than I think most people would like. Spell

out a world with Donald Trump as the president. Oh, gosh! The Hunger

Games maybe a little bit. Donald Trump as a president I just do not

see a world with Donald Trump as a president. If you were to become

president I see a world development. I see allies is falling apart. I see

the rise of rush I see the United States which consumes five of the

world's a good a loss. So I really prefer not to see a Donald Trump

future! And a world where it woman would be walking down the street and

maybe would get scored between one to! It is not funny. Let me answer

the question Stephen. The reason for the rise of Donald Trump in the

United States is the discussed with the establishment. It was also the

reason for the rise of Bernie Sanders the independent Socialist

senator from Vermont who channelled, challenged Hillary Clinton on the

Democratic side for the nomination. People are fed up with what is going

on in Washington. The see a you are of Donald Trump this guy you were

supporting. They're guy who says if you're theme as you can do whatever

you want! I did not say that Stephen. You're very good at putting

words in other people's lives -- other people's mode. You did not say

it from dead. I am not defending him. The man you are supporting as a

man who said if you are powerful and rich that you can do anything you

want to a woman that is the guy you want to be president Bill Clinton

pretty much practised the same thing did he not and Hillary are covered

for him. But Hillary Clinton is the one running for president. Ever

since those allegations came out you see is numbers going down further

and further and just to to more people came forward to corroborate

the story told in People magazine told by a reporter who said when she

was interviewing Donald Trump with his pregnant wife upstairs he took

her behind the draw and stuck his Don down her throat. He stuck his

what I have not heard that story! -- stuck his tongue. One second, U2,

go! THEY TALK OVER EACH OTHER

I do not know how in America it is founded on liberty and values of

freedom house that man has been allowed to run as a presidential

candidate when he has on insulted every woman on the planet with what

he has done. It makes America look ridiculous because it is such a huge

country but it is an insult to so many people. It is not an insult to

a lot of women because Trump's supporting from woman is very

strong. Here is the key thing. They Wall Street Journal NBC news poll

out yesterday published in that newspapers shows a likely will voter

turnout amongst women among African-Americans and a amongst

those 18 30 and Donald Trump is counting on a high turnout among his

constituents to win the election. I am keen to get as many of our

audience and as possible and I want them to be able to speak to the

audience. This is cool I did not know we had an audience! You didn't

know! It is the biggest show in Northern Ireland. I am a huge Graham

Norton van! BOOING

I am not quite as rich good or prolific! The woman asked behind me

why people are supporting Donald Trump and why he is allowed to run

for president working-class people in the United States have been left

devastated by globalisation over the course of the 19 and 19 all of their

industry has been sent to China and other countries that is why Donald

Trump is running. They working class people in America any serious

situation and want somebody has speaks on their behalf, Clinton does

not. And Hillary is not exactly clean. Just imagine if anybody in

this audience got is the peanut you call it and they were told the

authorities will be coming round to search the house. Imagine if

somebody in the audience then started going around at house

binning any evidence about anything that's the authorities had said they

needed to investigate. What did you candidate do after she got is the

she raised 33,000 e-mails, and she is 20 to tell the air about her

daughter's wedding. 30! I think are different e-mails the personal

nature ones and these are peanuts that word deleted before the Sabena.

She has turned over and unprecedented amount have you ever

deleted 30 e-mails? Why are you delete e-mails -- 32,000 e-mails. I

do it every 30 days. Because at clogs up my inbox and I now I need

to deal with them. It is in box detox is what I call it really?

The point about the working middle class is a very good one and of

Donald Trump and it debate tonight focuses on change he could really

get numbers up a little bit. The problem as he has been stepping out

of message by saying that the voting in America is raped and it is not

correct, there is no example of such rigging. I think that kids suppress

those coming forward. -- the voting is raped. The FBI said it was not

enough evidence to go against Clinton however Donald Trump is up

against a court case in December for the rape of a -year-old. No, he has

not. No he has not. He is a named plaintiff. He is not and we cannot

stand for that. We have not seen it and we cannot stand over that no

years is not. -- he is not. I would just say and very you have an

audience member. Both candidates like Donald Trump speaks for

himself. He is terrible obviously. But we talk so much about the

National Health Service here she doesn't want in national health

service. We talk so much about health care does she want it

National Health Service. We talk so much about health care, does she

wanted? Does she want a Living Wage no. She is terrible. If the US ever

wants to be prosperous they need to get out of the two system. Go green

do it please. ! Third parties have never worked well in America. Final

question I am going to be setting up to watch the string that is what I

am going to be doing in the middle of the night. I will be sitting with

my little ball of prawn cocktail crisps that is another story. You

have to be fresh with your radio show! I would be fresh enough to

take you on any time big boy! I will be over in three weeks. Give them a

round of applause! CHEERING

Now, for our last live debate, how would you feel about being taught

The woman advocating it is a lawyer and will be sitting at this desk in

just a few seconds but first we have a out and about to find out what

people think. I think they should be taught in school. It needs to be

followed but will home but school is the professional fund expertise and

that is where it should start. As a parent I think I would be better

speaking to my children about pornography and sex and the birds

and the bees as they say. I do not really think it is for education. Is

that really a to be taught in school it kind of corrupt and is so I think

it is more or less a personal thing that the parents themselves should

deal with. It is more of the parents, because the school is

really more the physicality is reproduction and all that. I think

people younger and younger are getting more involved watching it

which could be more concerning so if it was more of an open topic in

school because it could be uncomfortable for parents. Out of

school with parents or whatever kids do find it. There is nothing really

anybody can do about it. So, how young is too young to talk

to children in schools How about as young as P7,

kids of 10 or 11? Telling a ten-year-old about

pornography we are telling them about how their brains work. Kids

have got to learn that their brains from the age of about ten or 11

onwards is incredibly susceptible to addiction of all kinds and Internet

pornography is highly addictive. A ten-year-old does not understand sex

and pornography. You would be surprised. They are more interested

in Santa Claus or Xbox. I am sorry this is what all the research is

showing. Children on average, so there are children younger are

already starting to look at pornography. Younger than primary

primary seven? Yes, appearance are getting children's smartphones and

tablet at a very young age. If my child is being taught about

pornography in skill at age ten I would object the and if and when the

time comes for them to be educated about it is not teachers should be

doing it or with huge respect to not people like yourself only parents

can understand whether a child is able to assimilate that kind of

information. It is big stuff big stuff. Only a parent can understand

whether they can take it under understand it whether they can deal

with it or whether it will scare them. With respect, teachers know

what children can as and understand sometimes better than a parent. You

say that but last Ofsted produced a report saying they teachers who

teach sex education had little or no training in how to do that and the

Department for Education said exactly the same thing, that

teachers who teach sex education are war lacking. I use that at age nine

or or ten that he would tell a child there are adults having sex on the

Internet? The children are we already. You are

wrong. No, you are. We are not teaching pornography, we are

teaching them how their brains work. Do you think it is less about

pornography and more about the dangers of the dark side of the

Internet? That is a different subject. Do you not think, you are

talking about ten years old, I know children as young as five or six

years old who are picking up tablets are smartphones. They are not

looking up pornography. They are looking up Thomas the Tank Engine.

Do not upset my view of the world! They are on tablets, just looking at

cartoons for the most part. But she wants to tell them about

pornography. How can you understand about the dangers of pornography at

the age of ten. Kids, when the hat puberty, has been the key stage. Is

that not 1314. Now, it is younger. It was for me. But as people have

better nutrition, the age of puberty is getting lower for boys and girls.

That is why we went wrong. We have been conditioned of millions of

years of biology to be curious about sex. We'll do the 11 about it, on

the Internet? That is a difference about been curious about sex and

giving them details of sex and violence. That is not what we're

doing. One expert said, if you do not conceptualise what children are

seeing, will become the normality. How can you explain pornography to a

nine-year-old child who actually still believes in Santa and the

tooth fairy. I do not teach them a bit pornography. You teach them

about the dangers of it. So far, I have been dealing with children who

are 15, 16 and 17, but the schools I have been going into helping asking

for courses to be developed for the younger age groups. Not all of them.

Some of them steadfastly refused to talk about the dangers of

pornography. Teachers are very uncomfortable about talking about

sex. Parents need to be better educated, as well. What would you be

telling them what would you be telling a pay many sects are primary

seven Child about pornography? We are telling them things about how

the gay appetites for food and how eating too much food is not good for

them. And then, when the hit puberty, they are going to start

being interested in sex. Do you tell them where Sixers? They are learning

about that. They are learning about that from pavements, the school and

by friends. I am talking about a child in primary six. What do you

actually see? So far, we have not been dealing directly with them. I

would tell them their brains are going to be very interested in sex

and it is better to get them from the appearance or the biology

teacher and not from the Internet. If a child said, what is sex? The

north what it is. Children may know about the physical act, but do you

think the understand the difference between sex and love and violence?

Or do you tell a child? I am working with educational experts. I would

see sex is a desire for connection with another human being. Would you

talk to you primary seven child about masturbation. Probably not.

Would you talk about the degradation of women which a lot of pornography

is about? We talk about respect. We talk about how you respect friends.

Would you ask for a photo of them when they are naked? No, you would

not. In your defence, let us look on some of the statistics, which

absolutely shocked me when I saw them. These are according to the

National Society for the protection of children.

Nearly one third of that age group have seen pornography. They may well

have stumbled across it. Many of them. Is that an excuse to open the

door to it, to explain it in graphic detail. They are actively speaking

at. 19% it was shown to them without

their consent. Maybe we have a lack of understanding as to what is

actually going on. Is this pornography we are searching for? It

is someone getting pornography and sent to jail, come and watch this?

No, this is children showing pornography to one another. Then we

boys used to hand out football cards, boys are shearing fails with

wicked pornography. The more crude the better. But you just said, you

would explain it to an 11 or 12-year-old, you said you would do

it in a very simplistic terms. What use is that if that is what they are

looking at? What use is that approach? I am not saying they are

already on it. Some may see it. Some may see it and not be able to sleep

at night and be terrified. Good parents will have to be aware of

what the play. How do they get access to it? Because parents are

giving children tablets and smartphones. If they are not working

on the Internet, the may be looking at a porn stash from a father. Is it

necessarily the case at a child looking at pornography, with the

actually do them any harm? Would actually maybe not do them any harm?

I am not saying it is doing them any good, but what does the research

see? There is ample research. There is more coming out of the day. There

are mental palms. One of the most common things is the body

dysmorphia. Boys seem in with enlarged penises and on all sorts of

drugs to keep them erect. Get also seen women with enhanced breasts and

thinking, I do not match up to that. On that level there is a problem.

The more interest they have, the more it escalates. Once you've seen

something a few teams, like with everything, you escalate to more and

more. So how can schools with no training on the dangers of

pornography, no training on how to confront it, however they going to

actually approach this? I agree. That is why my charity is lobbying

the government. We are trying to get a round table discussion with

education, health and community workers. This is in the next couple

of weeks. We're not talking about any change in the law? Boys shearing

fails to see how gross picture you can look up before you throw up. And

above 60 metres? If you have more kudos, you are a tough guy, you can

look at the really gross stuff. Go ahead. Hold on, we do not have the

microphone. Children for years have been getting sexual education in

primary seven. What is to stop them on the tablets to Google the words.

They are going to do it anyway. We wrap we're running out of time. Go

ahead. Can you not stop them getting access to the Internet? Pavements

can. Children will often access at home, so parents can control that.

Erectile dysfunction is a bad problem for men. 15 years ago, it

was 2-3%. No, we are talking about 30%. It is the major issue. Thank

you very much for joining us, give them a round of applause please.

That is all the talking done for tonight, but before we go,

These guys are set to play Belfast's Waterfront Hall on Sunday.

With their top ten hit, Living Next Door To Alice, it's Smokie!

# Sally called, when she got the word

# So, I rushed to the window and I looked outside

# This big limousine pulled slowly into Alice's drive

# I don't know why she's leaving, or where she's gonna go

# I guess she's got her reasons but I just don't want to know

# Cos for 24 years I've been living next door to Alice

# 24 years, just waitin' for a chance

# To tell her how I'm feeling, maybe get a second glance

# Now I've gotta get used to not living next door to Alice

# Grew up together, two kids in the park

# Carved our initials deep in the bark

# Now she walks to the door, with her head held high

# Just for a moment, I caught her eye

# As the big limousine pulled slowly out of Alice's drive

# I don't know why she's leaving, or where she's gonna go

# I guess she's got her reasons but I just don't want to know

# Cos for 24 years I've been living next door to Alice

# 24 years, just waitin' for a chance

# To tell her how I'm feeling, maybe get a second glance

# Now I've gotta get used to not living next door to Alice

# Sally called back, and asked how I felt

# I know how to help you get over Alice

# She said "Now Alice is gone, but I'm still here"

# "You know I've been waiting 24 years"

# I don't know why she's leaving, or where she's gonna go

# I guess she's got her reasons but I just don't want to know

# Cos for 24 years I've been living next door to Alice

# 24 years, just waitin' for a chance

# To tell her how I'm feeling, maybe get a second glance

# No, I'll never get used to not living next door to Alice. #