Results Part 1 Northern Ireland Elections


Results Part 1

Mark Carruthers and Tara Mills present live coverage and analysis of the Westminster election results as they come in from the 18 constituencies across Northern Ireland.


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We don't know what it is yet but we're here to find out.

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We're with you right through the day here on BBC1 bringing you each

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and every result as it happens in what's shaping up

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to ba a remarkable Assembly election battle.

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The outcome will determine the path of our politics

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Will it be deal or deadlock; devolution or direct rule?

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Results are already starting to come in.

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The story we'll be bringing you today is not only about how

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the parties may or may not be able to work together on the other

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side of the election, it's also about the impact

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of the reduction in the system of Assembly seats from 108 to 90.

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It means a day of drama for all of us, as some big names

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face the prospect of falling foul of that significant change.

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Before we head off out and about to hear from our team

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of reporters and correspondents across all the count centres,

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let's bring you the very latest news with Donna Traynor.

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The official turnout figure for the Assembly election is 64.78%.

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That's up about 10% on the election last May.

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The first declarations are expected this afternoon,

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although the final make-up of the new Assembly

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is unlikely to be clear until tomorrow afternoon.

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I am joined from the Belfast count centre at Titanic by our political

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A significant increase in turnout. Take us through the figures. Well,

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it feels as if we have turned the clock back here in Northern Ireland

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in terms of interest in this particular election because as you

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say the 64% turnout is a full 10% higher than the Assembly election

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ten months ago. There are striking figures across the constituencies,

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if we look at them. My shell O'Neill's constituency in Mid Ulster

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-- Michelle. 13% increase from the last time around. It was the same

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story in West Tyrone, 13%. And there's been similar increases as

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well across what we perceive to be Unionist constituencies. Strangford

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where there is a great interest with seven MLAs vying for five seats,

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there was 11% increase there in Strangford. Arlene Foster's

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constituency, 9% point increase there, as well. You can see across

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the board, across all the constituencies it looks as if voters

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were mobilised to vote this time. What impact that will have in the

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final shake down it's too early to say, but it adds that

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unpredictability factor that was already there with the fewer number

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of seats available. We are at an early stage. What are you hearing

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about party representation? Well, if you look across the constituency

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turnout, Sinn Fein, for instance, would say they're bullish about

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their party's performance. The crucial factor is there are 18 fewer

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seats to fill. For the parties it's about damage limitation. They're not

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going to be banking gains here, it's about managing losses and Sinn Fein

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say they're in a good position right now to ensure they keep their losses

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to a minimum. The DUP, we can see they're starting to struggle in a

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number of constituencies, which is to be expected, of course, the

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larger party is going to lose more in the final shake down. Key for

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them is going to stay above 30 seats, 31. If they do that they'll

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consider it a pretty successful election. The SDLP vote it seems is

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holding out but not so for the Ulster Unionists. It's very early

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but the indications are it looks as if the Ulster Unionist vote might be

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down. There is a lot at stake, not least for some high profile

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candidates. Yes, there is 11 sitting MLAs standing in the election who

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are guaranteed to lose seats. There is great drama, we know we will get

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that, some names to look out, Nelson McCausland is in for a fight in

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North Belfast to retain his seat. Emma Little-Pengelly in South

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Belfast is goes to face a battle because we have had the tally

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figures through and it looks as if her party colleague Christopher

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Stalford has polled ahead of her and that could be crucial. We know for

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Sinn Fein in East Antrim, Oliver McMullen. Jonathan Bell of course

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the man who was central to the whole RHI crisis, looks as if he hasn't

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polled very well in Strangford. He may well also lose his seat. There

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is certain for Philip Smith in terms of whether or not he is going to

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retain his seat. It looks as if there is going to be pain as we

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expected shared among all the parties in this election. But we are

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only five hours into the count, so a long way to go. The final make-up

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won't be known until tomorrow afternoon.

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Thank you. A man wanted over the murder

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of the prison officer David Black Damien McLaughlin, who had failed

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to answer to his bail in Northern Ireland,

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was arrested yesterday I'm joined by our Dublin

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correspondent Shane Harrison. Remind us about the background to

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this case. In November 2012 David Black, a prison officer was ambushed

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on his way to Maghaberry prison. He was the first prison officer to be

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murdered in 20 years. A few days later a group calling itself the New

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IRA said it was responsible. Damien McLaughlin was charged with aiding

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and abetting that murder. He was on remand for a period but was given

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bail in May 2014 and was due to stand trial last month but a court

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hearing in January heard that he wasn't residing at the address he

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was supposed to, under the terms of his bail conditions. Yesterday he

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was arrested in County Donegal under the terms of a European arrest

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warrant designed to make extradition easier in a joint Garda-PSNI

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operation that was intelligence-led. What was said in court about the

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circumstances surrounding his arrest? Well, a detective Garda

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sergeant gave evidence that they did not know when they were arresting

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him whether he was armed or not so he was handcuffed, he was dragged

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from the car, he had his jumper pulled over him and he was

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cable-tied. The same sergeant said that he was a flight risk and a

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terrorist on the run. He was remanded in custody until March 20th

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but he can apply for bail on March 13th.

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. Significant quantities of human

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remains have been discovered at the site of a former

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mother-and-baby home in Tuam, County Galway.

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Test excavations are being carried out by

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a Commission of Investigation. It was set up following allegations

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about the deaths of 800 babies It's believed the remains that have

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been found range from those of unborn foetuses to infants aged

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two to three years. A judge has ruled that the Northern

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Ireland Executive has failed in its legal duty to adopt

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an Irish language strategy. The group Conradh na Gaeilge had

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challenged the Executive saying that a pledge made in the 2006

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St Andrew's Agreement and plans laid out last March should have

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been adopted by now. This was a significant victory for

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supporters of the Irish language. Today the judge ruled that the

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Executive was in breach of a requirement imposed a decade ago.

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The judge said the Executive had failed to adopt a strategy setting

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out how it proposes to enhance and protect the Irish language in

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Northern Ireland. He said it cannot have been the intention of

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parliament that after nearly ten years from the coming into force of

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the act in 2007 that this obligation should remain unfulfilled. He said

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the required outcome is an adoption of the plans laid out. The Irish

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language group which challenged the Executive Conradh Na Gaeilge said it

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is historic. This obligation falls on somebody, it was on the Executive

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primarily. Whether we go to direct rule or have a joint kind of

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agreement between direct rule and the Assembly but the judge has

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demanded of the parties that are responsible here they must bring

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forward this Executive. As per their legal obligation. A a barrister

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representing the Executive counted there had been inertia on the issue

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and rejected any suggestion of a sham process. The judge says the

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Executive remains the key body which has been at the centre of delivery

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of Government in Northern Ireland and it can in the simply avoid doing

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what the law requires. The biggest gas supplier

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in Northern Ireland has Customers of SSE Airtricity

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will see their bills go up by just over 7.5% from the end

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of this month. Our economics and business editor

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John Campbell is in the newsroom. This is all about the price of

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energy on the global markets. For the past four or five years we have

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been living through a period where energy prices have been flat or

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falling. That's been reflected in people's bills. But over the last

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year or so prices have been rising. I was checking this morning one of

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those global indexes for gas prices and it shows they've risen more than

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70% in the last year. For that reason SSE said they've had to

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react. They're putting prices up by over 7. 5%. That will add about ?36

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a year to the typical household energy bill bringing the total bill

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to around ?500 a year. They're emphasising that really this was

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done because of the rising global prices and it's the first increase

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they've had in four years but it is another sign as we look at the

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general economy that inflation is returning. The prices of goods and

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services are heading up and that's likely to be a trend that will

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continue throughout this year. A High Court judge has ruled

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that the PSNI lacks the necessary independence to oversee further

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investigations into an alleged army killing in West Belfast

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nearly 45 years ago. Jean Smyth was shot as she sat in

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a car on the Glen Road in June 1972. Lawyers acting for the family

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of Jean Smyth had claimed that documents uncovered

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at the National Archives in London pointed towards undercover

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soldiers from the army's Military Reaction Force

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carrying out the shooting. Today a judge ruled that a proposed

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investigation by the PSNI's Legacy Investigations Branch

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would breach human Absolutely delighted. At least Jean

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has some justice now. The family is just delighted. In respect of Jean's

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family, we would say now that there are steps that have to be taken by

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the PSNI to recluse themselves of any further involvement in the case

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and steps need to be taken in terms of who is going - a decision about

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who's going to investigate this murder.

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Geoff Maskell has a weather forecast for us.

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It is a wet day in a run of wet days at the Met Office has issued a

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severe weather warning for rain coming into force from six o'clock

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and it is not because it is terribly heavy, it will just go on for a long

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time. This is the picture this afternoon, grey clouds, a very dull

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end to the working week. Temperatures between six and 7

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degrees at best but a pretty miserable day. Through this even

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England overnight, the rain is driven by low pressure sitting in

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the Irish Sea, that will work northwards but the rain stays with

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us overnight. Not as cold tonight as last night because of the cloud

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cover but the weekend has a soggy start, the rain with us through the

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morning. As that tracks north, we should see brighter and drier spells

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in the East but we then open the door to the next area on Monday and

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on Tuesday another low-pressure front bringing more rain. Sunday is

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looking like the best of the next few days, still rain in the forecast

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but between those showers, at least there will be brighter weather so a

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chance to get outside on Sunday and on Monday, starting reasonably dry,

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but not long before the rain threatens from the West. It is a

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pretty soggy outlook for the next few days. That's it, back to Mark

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Carruthers. Ten months ago, no one

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could have predicted this. Last year's election came

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after a political agreement But this election comes

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after political disagreement, a fracture so big at Stormont,

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in fact, that no one is quite sure Our reporters are live at every

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count centre across Northern Ireland and as the day unfolds they'll be

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bringing us all the developments as they happen and we'll hear

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from them in a moment. And pulling together the results,

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analysis and interviews with me is Tara Mills,

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who's at the biggest count at the Titanic

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Exhibition Centre in There was drama in how the election

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was called and the campaign and the outcome will be on a knife edge for

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many because the deal last time around was to cut the number of MLAs

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in every constituency from six to only five.

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That means some big names could have a very sudden retirement

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We'll be down on the floor of the count centre to grab those

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Our commentators will also be on hand with their take

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and our resident election cartoonist Brian John Spencer returns with his

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We have our panel here, of course, some may be quite glad they're

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in the studio rather than waiting to hear their fate

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There's so much to discuss, not only the strengths of the parties,

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It's all about the numbers game, though, and keeping a close eye

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as they come in is our political editor Mark Devenport.

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This election is also about turnout and transfers.

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As you have no doubt already heard, there's been quite an increase

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Nicholas Whyte is our elections expert.

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What do you make of this rise? Very interesting, turning out

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consistently across the country, most in East Belfast, most in

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Ulster. -- least in East Belfast. The one thing that is certain is if

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there are more votes, it will take longer to kind. -- kind.

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And transfers, they've always been a part of elections to the Assembly

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but what about Mike Nesbitt's decision to give his

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How many voters followed his lead to give a second

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We'll examine each stage of the vote in every constituency.

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This is what it is all about, seats in the chamber and here is a

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reminder of how things looked at the last election when 108 MLAs were

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elected. This is smaller with only 90 seats up for grabs and some

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politicians are going to be very disappointed. Who will fill these

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empty benches? Any party, if they get more than 30 seats, and will

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watch closely as the new chamber takes place. -- takes shape.

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So, let's get down to the individual constituencies.

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There are 18 of them and Strangford is normally one

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We'll be hearing a lot from our political correspondent

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Stephen Walker today, I imagine.

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There is a lot of big beasts going for those five seats. We have seven

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sitting MLAs and just five seats, they cannot all win? No, obviously

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seven trying to get in with only five seats and DUP are looking the

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happiest because it looks like Michelle McIlveen and Simon Hamilton

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will get in and Mike Nesbitt for the Ulster Unionists and Paul Wells of

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the Alliance, it is a battle for the fifth seed, between Philip Smith and

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Peter Weir, with Peter Weir in the ascendancy and Jonathan Bell has not

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done enough, so the DUP look happiest in Strangford and in terms

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of North Down, we have had some results. Alan Chambers has been

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collected, Stephen Farry and Alex Easton elected. Three from those

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five, no great surprises from North Down but the big story will be in

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Strangford and we know can go to Keiron Tourish. The big story at the

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foil arena is the turnout. Turnout here is 10% and East Londonderry up

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by 12% so that is quite significant. How can that play out in the

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election? The big news is that the outgoing Deputy First Minister

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Martin McGuinness is not standing due to ill-health but he will hope

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that his two party colleagues retain those seats for Sinn Fein and the

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SDLP leader Colum Eastwood will be fairly confident they can retain

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their two seats and the most impressive -- and present unionist

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showing has been Gary Middleton for the DUP and he will be hopeful of

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keeping his seat. Where does that leave Eamonn McCann? It just goes to

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prove that the last seat here in Foyle will be a very big scramble

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for the last seat. And people in the Eamonn McCann camp are worried. It

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is early days. In East Londonderry, again, all to play for, three DUP

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MLA 's have those seats, one each for the SDLP and Sinn Fein and the

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outgoing Justice Minister Claire Sugden will hope to get re-elected

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and finish the job. We will have to watch those final two seats in those

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constituencies. Over two David Maxwell in Titanic. Welcome to the

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Titanic Exhibition Centre, only one announcement, cheering in West

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Belfast or the election of order he flown. I knew candidate, she

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replaced Jennifer McCann. Sinn Fein say that they took more first

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preference votes for all four candidates than People Before

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Profit's Gerry Campbell, who topped the poll last time, he is confident

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and time will tell. Alex Attwood of the SDLP is very vulnerable in that

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constituency. Interesting stories, South Belfast is just behind me. We

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thought that would be a run-off between the DUP's Christopher

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Stalford and Clare Bailey from the Green Party but a lot of people are

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saying that Emma Little-Pengelly is vulnerable. And Belfast East, strong

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DUP constituency. It is thought that one of those seats will go, senior

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sources indicate that it could be Robin Newton. And looking to North

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Belfast, everything to play for here. Nichola Mallon and Caral Ni

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Chuillin vulnerable but very interestingly, we think that Nelson

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McCausland could also be vulnerable. Time will tell, it took 11 stages

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for the final result last time so we could be here for a very long time

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indeed. Julian Fowler is in Omagh. In the west the turnout was highest

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once again, Fermanagh and South go in at 73% and West Tyrone at 70%,

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the DUP leader Arlene Foster recently arrived and is hoping to

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retain her strong personal vote. She topped the poll in Fermanagh-South

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Tyrone last time around and that was enough to get Maurice Morrow across

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the line. With two DUP candidates. Both DUP and Sinn Fein say they have

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been polling strongly in East constituency, Sinn Fein hoping to

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win three seats in each and that could be bad news for the Ulster

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Unionists, they are the most nervous party here. They could lose both

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seats in Fermanagh South Tyrone held by Rosemary Barton and the seat in

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West Tyrone also. An interesting point about the increased turnout,

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the quotas are also up, the amount of votes needed for the candidates

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to get over the line, by around 2000 in each constituency which means

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transfers will come into play. In West Tyrone there are 18 candidates

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standing and last year we took until Saturday before we got the first

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result so it looks like another long kind is on the cards in Omagh. Thank

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you. Welcome to what we refer to as the big table in the studio. And let

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me introduce the guests. The first set of guests throughout this

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marathon date of broadcasting is Tom Elliott, the former Ulster Unionist

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Party leader and MP for Fermanagh-South Tyrone, Jeffrey

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Donaldson, DUP MP for Lagan Valley, Stephen grimacing, former director

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of Communications for the Executive and in a previous life was Political

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Editor here in BBC Northern Ireland. We have had many conversations! And

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we also have Catriona Ruane, who did not stand again for election but was

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the Sinn Fein MLA for South Down. Welcome. You have been looking at

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their tablets and films and checking out the results and talking to

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friends and colleagues on the ground. Jeffrey Donaldson, picking

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up on what we heard from some of my colleagues, these are straws in the

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wind. I make no bones. Maybe Nelson McCausland is not doing as well as

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some people thought? Emma Little-Pengelly, perhaps in a bit of

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trouble in South Belfast. What is your general reading of where we are

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at this stage? Firstly, we must recall the number of seats are

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reducing so with the DUP holding three seats in a constituency, it

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becomes a mountain to climb to hold three seats and inevitably there are

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casualties. South Belfast, we took for the first time two seats last

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year so it was always going to be difficult to hold those with the

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reduction and overall the voters holding well. I think it is going to

:23:38.:23:45.

be tight between the DUP and Sinn Fein as to who emerges as the

:23:46.:23:49.

largest party, no doubt Sinn Fein are polling well in the

:23:50.:23:52.

constituencies where they are strong and the DUP vote is holding up in

:23:53.:23:56.

constituencies where we are strong and that is borne out by the early

:23:57.:24:06.

declarations. Jim Wells, standing in South Down, says that he believes

:24:07.:24:10.

the DUP will end up under the magic number of 30 and this will not

:24:11.:24:15.

surprise you, that is the fault of the media? Do you agree? The media

:24:16.:24:24.

do not vote. We do have a vote. We have been listening carefully to

:24:25.:24:27.

what people have been saying on the doorsteps and there is no doubt

:24:28.:24:31.

there is a lot of anger and the one thing I will say very clearly that

:24:32.:24:37.

has come across to me is the body is voting for the collapse of Stormont,

:24:38.:24:43.

everybody I spoke to, whatever their political persuasion, they want

:24:44.:24:45.

Stormont up and running quickly, they realise there are big decisions

:24:46.:24:50.

coming to be taken, not least in relation to Brexit, the economy and

:24:51.:24:55.

dealing with the legacy of the troubled past. They want the parties

:24:56.:25:04.

back, sorting these issues out. Whatever the political integration

:25:05.:25:08.

of the results, I have no doubt that what people are voting for is for

:25:09.:25:13.

Stormont to work. Catriona Ruane, at this stage, just a couple of

:25:14.:25:19.

results. Or he Flynn in West Belfast. -- or a Flynn. And with

:25:20.:25:26.

three candidates, second, third and fourth. And you have more Gilles in

:25:27.:25:34.

South Belfast. I don't have the raw numbers. -- Mairtin O'Muilleoir. He

:25:35.:25:46.

is past the quarter, just over 7000. Perhaps not quite the weight you are

:25:47.:25:50.

expected to be? This is obviously a good election for Sinn Fein. You can

:25:51.:25:58.

say that already? I was doing the South Down tally earlier on today

:25:59.:26:04.

and I can see there has been an increased turnout and I can see from

:26:05.:26:08.

particular constituencies that we are doing well and the interesting

:26:09.:26:13.

thing is Lord of the women are doing very well. Topping the poll, as we

:26:14.:26:18.

know, is not what Sinn Fein is about, it is vote management and

:26:19.:26:21.

every party is not looking at topping the poll, it is managing the

:26:22.:26:25.

vote. Mairtin O'Muilleoir must be happy he topped the poll? You manage

:26:26.:26:32.

that vote very well in West Belfast? The key thing is managing the vote.

:26:33.:26:37.

Can I just say, as we sit here, all of us, one of our colleagues, PJ

:26:38.:26:44.

Bradley, is being buried this morning and we all want to give our

:26:45.:26:52.

condolences to the family. It has been a difficult time for Sinead

:26:53.:26:56.

Bradley, who has been a candidate and colour, and I want to say that

:26:57.:26:59.

and I am sure everybody else will join me.

:27:00.:27:02.

I am sure people would echo those sentiments it is a difficult time

:27:03.:27:09.

for Sinead Bradley. You will know her well. She must have mixed

:27:10.:27:12.

emotions today hoping she will be returned into the seat that was her

:27:13.:27:16.

father's seat in the past. And she's had to lay him to rest this morning.

:27:17.:27:21.

Yesterday she went to vote in the polling station. But getting back to

:27:22.:27:25.

the results. I think we will have a good election today. I think it's

:27:26.:27:29.

because of hard work, it's because of focussing on what needs to be

:27:30.:27:34.

done. Tom Elliott, I suspect you are going to have to take a slightly

:27:35.:27:39.

different tack. We were hearing from Enda Mc Clafferty again. It's early

:27:40.:27:43.

to be definitive about this but it looks like it might be the day your

:27:44.:27:48.

party leader Mike Nesbitt and Steve akin the other day on BBC Radio

:27:49.:27:53.

Ulster was predicting would be a red letter day for the Ulster Unionist

:27:54.:27:56.

party, you would be the main unionist party and would have more

:27:57.:27:59.

seats than Sinn Fein. Can you say at this stage that isn't going to

:28:00.:28:04.

happen? Well, obviously the mist is still there, Mark in almost all the

:28:05.:28:08.

areas we have early results in, as you highlighted. But yes, it's

:28:09.:28:12.

unlikely we are going to be the largest party. That's quite clear.

:28:13.:28:17.

But obviously during an election campaign you battle for every vote

:28:18.:28:20.

you can get. It's unfortunate we had to have this election at this time.

:28:21.:28:26.

I think it has been a diversion from the situation. I have no idea why

:28:27.:28:31.

Sinn Fein actually put it to the test at this time simply because at

:28:32.:28:35.

an early stage in December they didn't appear to want to pressurise

:28:36.:28:40.

the matter at now. All of a sudden, whether it was from pressure from

:28:41.:28:44.

their own back bench people or whether they had done private

:28:45.:28:47.

polling, I have no idea, but they obviously pushed a button to have

:28:48.:28:55.

the election. OK. We want to hear from our reporters out on the

:28:56.:29:00.

ground. Two interesting counts happening, Mid Ulster and North

:29:01.:29:08.

Antrim. Our reporter is at the In Ballymena for us. What can you tell

:29:09.:29:15.

us? Yes, they're trying to announce the quota here. This is Mid Ulster,

:29:16.:29:20.

it's a strong republican nationalist area. The vote was a huge jump of

:29:21.:29:27.

14% this time. Sinn Fein's leader in storm, Michelle O'Neill, is based

:29:28.:29:33.

here and she arrived here to great applause from supporters. It

:29:34.:29:40.

stretches from Maghera. In May all four nationalists in this

:29:41.:29:45.

Three Sinn Fein, one sdlapd, one DUP, and one U. P. Now Sinn Fein say

:29:46.:29:51.

they're managing their vote very well so they hope to get those three

:29:52.:29:56.

Sinn Fein candidates back again. Patsy McGloen seems to be in a

:29:57.:30:00.

strong position. That leaves a problem between the two unionists,

:30:01.:30:04.

the one DUP and one UUP. We are hearing that the DUP's Keith

:30:05.:30:09.

Buchanan looks in a strong position so that could leave the UUP Sandra

:30:10.:30:18.

Overend in a vulnerable position. North Antrim, which is a mirror

:30:19.:30:24.

image of Mid Ulster, because it is a strong DUP stronghold. Three DUP,

:30:25.:30:30.

one UUP, one TUV. One Sinn Fein here. 10% rise in the turnout here.

:30:31.:30:39.

It's a Paisley heartland. Ian Paisley skaup junior has

:30:40.:30:42.

Last time it elected all five unionists including the TUV leader

:30:43.:30:56.

Jim Allister. Jim Allister looks pretty strong. He has decided to run

:30:57.:31:02.

with his colleague this time Timothy Gaston. It may have reduced his vote

:31:03.:31:15.

this time. One Sinn Fein seat was drafted in after Daithi McKay. He

:31:16.:31:20.

still has a strong vote here in the North Antrim constituency. Over now

:31:21.:31:26.

to Lisburn. Two counts taking place here in

:31:27.:31:32.

Lisburn. One predominantly unionist Lagan valley, the other nationalist

:31:33.:31:35.

South Down. The indications are it will be the same story in respect of

:31:36.:31:39.

the losers in each constituency, all the pointers being it will be the

:31:40.:31:43.

Ulster Unionists who will lose the 6th seat in each of those

:31:44.:31:48.

constituencies. First to Lagan valley, the DUP are confident of

:31:49.:31:54.

returning three MLAs with Paul Givan, as last time, likely to top

:31:55.:32:02.

the poll here. Robbie Butler of the Ulster Unionists looks like he is

:32:03.:32:06.

polling better than Jenny Palmer, it could be her that loses the 6th seat

:32:07.:32:11.

with alliance taking the other seat. In South Down, it looks like two

:32:12.:32:17.

Sinn Fein, two SDLPed and Jim Wells of the DUP, again the Ulster

:32:18.:32:21.

Unionists tipped to lose a seat there. Harald McKee could be out the

:32:22.:32:27.

door rather quickly. We are about 30 minutes away from official first

:32:28.:32:30.

preference vote declarations here but that is the mood music coming

:32:31.:32:34.

out of Lisburn. Over to my colleague now in Banbridge.

:32:35.:32:42.

Well, two constituencies counted here, Upper Bann and Newry and

:32:43.:32:46.

Armagh. The turnout figures are both well up. Upper Bann at 62%. Up 8%

:32:47.:32:52.

points. Newry and Armagh 69%, up 10%. The quotas will be roughly

:32:53.:32:57.

around the 9,000 mark. Give or take a couple of hundred votes. Last time

:32:58.:33:02.

this was two DUP, two UUP and two Sinn Fein. If the DUP can hold both

:33:03.:33:07.

of their seats and they seem confident they can, then it looks

:33:08.:33:11.

like one of those Ulster Unionist seats will very much be in jeopardy.

:33:12.:33:15.

On the nationalist side a lot of interest here on whether or not

:33:16.:33:21.

Dolores Kelly can take back a seat she lost to Sinn Fein by 168 votes.

:33:22.:33:25.

There had been vote management issues for Sinn Fein in this

:33:26.:33:29.

constituency, John O Dowd polling stronger in areas where Sinn Fein

:33:30.:33:32.

would have preferred to see his running mate coming through. In

:33:33.:33:39.

Newry and Armagh, it was three Sinn Fein last time. People may think

:33:40.:33:43.

Sinn Fein holding three, given the reconfiguration of the seats, might

:33:44.:33:46.

be a big ask. But it seems to be on. They seem to be confident. If that

:33:47.:33:52.

happens, it looks like Danny Kennedy could be in big trouble here

:33:53.:33:57.

potentially because looking at the other unionist candidate of the DUP,

:33:58.:34:02.

he is all thumbs up and big smiles, he seems to think that he over now

:34:03.:34:13.

to Ita. Turnout in South and East Antrim up

:34:14.:34:23.

around 10 Persian too. -- The question this time around is can the

:34:24.:34:29.

DUP hold on to three? The first count is in. David Hild was elected

:34:30.:34:38.

after the first count last year. The Ulster Unionist Roy Beggs is doing

:34:39.:34:42.

very well. The alliance Stuart Dickson is hoping that his name is

:34:43.:34:48.

on his seat again. It could be two DUP and one UUP battling out for two

:34:49.:34:54.

seats here. Sinn Fein's Oliver McMullin may well be vulnerable.

:34:55.:35:00.

Over to South Antrim and all six winners in the 2016 elections are

:35:01.:35:05.

standing again. It could be said can the DUP hold on to three? The first

:35:06.:35:11.

count is in here again. But no one past the quota. It looks like Paul

:35:12.:35:19.

Girvam and Trevor Clarke will be battling for those seats. Sinn

:35:20.:35:23.

Fein's Declan Kearney lacks like he will be the republican

:35:24.:35:27.

representative in this constituency. The Ulster Unionist receive aKen has

:35:28.:35:32.

his eye on a seat, as well. And the former justice Minister David Ford

:35:33.:35:36.

has done very well this time around on first preferences. That's it for

:35:37.:35:40.

South and East Antrim, back to the studio.

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Thank you very much. Let's hear more from my panel here. I want to bring

:35:45.:35:48.

in Stephen, former political editor for BBC Northern Ireland. A word

:35:49.:35:53.

about turnout, first of all. I wonder what you make of that. 65%,

:35:54.:35:59.

it was 55%, ten months ago, last May. That's a 10% point increase,

:36:00.:36:04.

although in raw percentage terms it's an increase of a whopping 18%,

:36:05.:36:10.

18% more people came out to vote now than voted last May. It's a very

:36:11.:36:16.

significant figure. We have some sense of what's happening on the

:36:17.:36:19.

ground in some constituencies, but what's your reading of what might be

:36:20.:36:24.

about to unfold today and tomorrow? The question is where do those

:36:25.:36:28.

people come from and have they been scared out or have they been

:36:29.:36:34.

aggravated out? If you think of it, the early hints we are getting and

:36:35.:36:39.

it's early stages is that Sinn Fein's vote has come up, so there is

:36:40.:36:44.

an aggravation factor Sinn Fein have tapped into. Also we are hearing

:36:45.:36:49.

that while the Ulster Unionists will struggle here, the Alliance Party

:36:50.:36:52.

have polled strongly. David Ford there doing very well. He was not in

:36:53.:36:57.

that position a year ago at the early stages. So, it's a question,

:36:58.:37:03.

the dynamics of this election, RHI, respect, all that sort of stuff, is

:37:04.:37:07.

coming out now in the vote, I suspect. That engagement, if you

:37:08.:37:13.

look at what happened with the viewing figures for the debates,

:37:14.:37:18.

they were hugely up, there is some sense of engagement. An appetite for

:37:19.:37:22.

it? An interesting in politics, whether it is because in terms of

:37:23.:37:27.

the DUP were very much putting out the bogeyman of Gerry Adams, but by

:37:28.:37:30.

the same token Sinn Fein were saying this is about giving us equality and

:37:31.:37:34.

respect and we need to move on with that agenda. We have some winners of

:37:35.:37:44.

course already at this early stage. Elisha McCallion has got in on the

:37:45.:37:50.

first count. Does that surprise you? Well, Elisha is very popular. A

:37:51.:37:56.

former mayor. Mayor of Derry. Also I think, I mean, right across the

:37:57.:38:00.

north of Ireland, indeed across the island of Ireland, huge support and

:38:01.:38:04.

sympathy for mar begin McGuinness. -- Martin. Emwere just saying he had

:38:05.:38:10.

given so much, such a states person. I just think a lot of people, you

:38:11.:38:15.

were saying about aggravation, what I got on the doors and I was at

:38:16.:38:20.

thousands of them, just the lack of respect for things, it's not even

:38:21.:38:24.

just the Irish language, the way it was talked about. The lack of

:38:25.:38:27.

respect for in many cases rights for people. The lack of respect for the

:38:28.:38:34.

LGBT community, that lack of respect was an issue that came up time and

:38:35.:38:41.

again on the doors. The other thing I think, there is a reignition of

:38:42.:38:44.

people interested in politics. I think it's because we have more

:38:45.:38:49.

diversity in politics. We have women leaders, it's not male, pale and

:38:50.:38:55.

grey like the past. We have women of all ages. It's really exciting time

:38:56.:39:00.

in politics. You mentioned that a number of women had been successful.

:39:01.:39:04.

A number of Sinn Fein women candidates, in particular. We were

:39:05.:39:10.

talking about Elisha McCallion. I am glad to say she can join us now from

:39:11.:39:16.

the count in Derry. Can you hear us? Congratulations. No, she can't hear

:39:17.:39:20.

us. Looks like she's having a conversation with one of our team

:39:21.:39:27.

there. OK. We will leave that. When we manage to establish contact we

:39:28.:39:31.

will hear from her. She's obviously almost ready to talk to us but not

:39:32.:39:36.

quite ready. A quick thought from Tom Elliott

:39:37.:39:40.

maybe. We often think during election campaigns it is nationalism

:39:41.:39:43.

versus unionism. When you break it down it can be a battle within

:39:44.:39:47.

nationalism and within unionism, isn't that right? There are

:39:48.:39:50.

different elections happening at the one time. There are and it's the

:39:51.:39:55.

same all over, it's been the same forever and a day in Northern

:39:56.:39:57.

Ireland, it's not going to change quickly. There is a battle within

:39:58.:40:00.

unionism and a battle within nationalism but then you have the

:40:01.:40:03.

broader battle and constitutional issue that we always had,

:40:04.:40:08.

constitutional battle between unionism and nationalism. But, maybe

:40:09.:40:11.

slowly we are moving away from that because we have our own Assembly,

:40:12.:40:15.

because we have our own Executive people are more focussed on

:40:16.:40:19.

day-to-day issues now. Health, education and it is interesting one

:40:20.:40:23.

of the biggest aspects that we got around the doors was health. Major

:40:24.:40:26.

health issues, long waiting lists, but it doesn't seem to have

:40:27.:40:30.

resonated into the votes. There is a gap there. OK. We will come back to

:40:31.:40:40.

pick up on that. I think Elisha can now hear us. Congratulations. Thank

:40:41.:40:46.

you very much, Mark. I am looking at the figures, you topped the poll.

:40:47.:40:52.

9205 first preferences, how much of that was down to former mayor of

:40:53.:40:57.

Derry, very well known in your own right and some people are saying the

:40:58.:41:03.

fact that you are taking over where Martin McGuinness left off? Well, I

:41:04.:41:08.

think the politics of the day was the winner and very clearly what we

:41:09.:41:12.

heard on the door of the entire campaign is that people understood

:41:13.:41:15.

our politics and accepted it and appreciated it. Whilst there may be

:41:16.:41:21.

an element of individualism, I think on the whole the party and its

:41:22.:41:25.

stance and stand up against corruption and integrity and indeed

:41:26.:41:28.

the stand that Martin McGuinness took in January has fed us well.

:41:29.:41:33.

When you look at the numbers does it look like you will hold your two

:41:34.:41:37.

seats, the SDLP will hold two, and the DUP will get one, so the loser

:41:38.:41:43.

would be Eamoning man, is that how you read it. ?

:41:44.:41:48.

It is hard to say, it is fair to say that it is likely that ourselves and

:41:49.:41:56.

the SDLP will have two seats and for the final set, but remains to be

:41:57.:42:01.

seen and I would not want to call Matt. We're fairly confident that

:42:02.:42:05.

Raymond McCartney and myself will be elected shortly. You broke your arm?

:42:06.:42:13.

What were you doing? I was running after my children and I have been

:42:14.:42:17.

running around on the campaign for five days with a broken arm

:42:18.:42:23.

unbeknownst to myself. Make sure you don't leave that count centre

:42:24.:42:28.

without Eamonn McCann signing it! We will talk to you later. Thank you

:42:29.:42:34.

for that. We can crunch the numbers, they are coming in and we need some

:42:35.:42:38.

number crunching. Analysis from Mark Devenport. This increased turnout,

:42:39.:42:46.

there is a mixture of factors that might have built into this but

:42:47.:42:49.

clearly one of those was the Renewable Heat Incentive saga and if

:42:50.:42:55.

we look at one constituency where there are many personalities

:42:56.:43:00.

involved and that, it has to be Strangford, where Jonathan Bell, the

:43:01.:43:03.

former DUP minister who gave that remarkable interview on the BBC, was

:43:04.:43:07.

standing and the place were Simon Hamilton while standing and the

:43:08.:43:12.

Ulster Unionist leader Mike Nesbitt. Let us look at the figures in

:43:13.:43:18.

Strangford. It always was a DUP stronghold and they remain at the

:43:19.:43:24.

top with nearly 40% but we can look at what has happened on the change.

:43:25.:43:31.

What do you make of that? The DUP vote is down and the Alliance vote

:43:32.:43:36.

is up, this is what we have seen in all of the declared constituencies,

:43:37.:43:41.

the DUP have taken a small head over recent issues but not as big as some

:43:42.:43:46.

thought and a vote for independence -- independence is down. And in

:43:47.:43:51.

terms of personalities. Simon Hamilton topping the poll,

:43:52.:43:56.

previously he was not a great vote getter for the DUP but whether they

:43:57.:44:00.

have changed territorially or something has happened, he was

:44:01.:44:04.

associated with the recent develops -- developments in relation to RHI.

:44:05.:44:13.

Not all news is bad news. His increased public profile has helped

:44:14.:44:17.

and interesting we have three DUP in the top five with only five being

:44:18.:44:22.

elected and in sixth place, perennial runner-up Joe Boyle, SDLP

:44:23.:44:27.

runners-up in every Assembly election in Strangford since 98 and

:44:28.:44:30.

this will be no exception. Is it fair to say that four of these are

:44:31.:44:38.

certain, Michelle Michael Flynn, Kellie Armstrong and Mike Nesbitt

:44:39.:44:42.

and the fifth place, can we call that? Nobody can catch Phil -- Peter

:44:43.:44:50.

Weir? The loss of Philip Smith? He would need to make 1000 votes and I

:44:51.:44:59.

do not see that happening. West Belfast, we have an early

:45:00.:45:03.

declaration of Orlaithi Flynn, the new MLA, elected. This has been a

:45:04.:45:11.

case where Sinn Fein has energised the vote, people dressed up in

:45:12.:45:15.

crocodile uniforms going to the polls and Arlene Foster has been a

:45:16.:45:18.

good recruiting sergeant in these areas for Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein

:45:19.:45:27.

nearly 62% and what has happened... People Before Profit did very well

:45:28.:45:30.

last time around in this constituency. Any thoughts on that?

:45:31.:45:38.

Massive increase for Sinn Fein, the vote is up across the board, in all

:45:39.:45:42.

seven constituencies we have seen, as with the Alliance. People Before

:45:43.:45:50.

Profit, supporters said they would get a second MLA in West Belfast?

:45:51.:45:54.

They would need a lot more votes. And the personalities... They have

:45:55.:46:00.

managed to balance the vote, Sinn Fein. Will they get all four? More

:46:01.:46:07.

likely than not and the alternative would be if enough transfers go to

:46:08.:46:09.

Alex Attwood from the smaller parties to pull ahead of the DUP. I

:46:10.:46:18.

cannot see it, DUP runners up every election except for 2003 with Diane

:46:19.:46:23.

Dodds. Gerry Carroll hit with the fact he has a running mate and the

:46:24.:46:28.

People Before Profit vote dropped, can he hold onto the fifth seed?

:46:29.:46:36.

Solid performance, nearly 6000, it would be surprising if they did not

:46:37.:46:43.

pick up the extra 700. Alex Attwood, beaten by the DUP, this is a

:46:44.:46:48.

constituency where in the 1990s the SDLP held the Westminster seat, the

:46:49.:46:53.

entire seed? It shows how the map has changed and next-door the Ulster

:46:54.:46:58.

Unionists eliminated, they held that seat until even more recently. Over

:46:59.:47:03.

to Tara Mills in the Titanic counting centre. Welcome back to the

:47:04.:47:11.

Exhibition Centre, the Belfast counts are taking place and I have

:47:12.:47:14.

Mairtin O'Muilleoir, Alice Morris from the Irish news and Professor

:47:15.:47:19.

John Tong, who has written a book on the DUP. 2000 votes, adding to your

:47:20.:47:27.

performance from last year? I think this an astounding performance by

:47:28.:47:31.

the electorate because they are ahead of the politicians and when it

:47:32.:47:36.

comes to issues of equality in South Belfast, crucially important and

:47:37.:47:40.

issues of respect for all people, diversity, but also against Brexit,

:47:41.:47:46.

ordinary people voted against Brexit and I can see the vote that I got as

:47:47.:47:51.

a republican vote, it was for equality and liberty and the DUP

:47:52.:47:56.

were about arrogance and this respect and scandals and we have an

:47:57.:48:01.

opportunity to have a true fresh start and that is a mandate I will

:48:02.:48:06.

bring with me in the days ahead. The election result is not about those

:48:07.:48:11.

things, it is about Arlene Foster and comments about crocodiles? The

:48:12.:48:18.

DUP have helped you? I was at the holy Rosary polling station and a

:48:19.:48:25.

lady said, I was married here and my brother had to emigrate to London

:48:26.:48:31.

because he is gay. Some of the Roma have been exploited terribly by

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landlords in the holy lands, working in my part, not treated fairly. And

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an Irish language school in the heart of South Belfast, a pupil's

:48:43.:48:48.

mother said that he not be a first-class citizen like everyone

:48:49.:48:52.

else? Without this rioting at the back of the bus? Let us have

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integrity in the institutions and proper equality in institutions. We

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have a declaration from Banbridge. This is the deputy returning officer

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in Banbridge leisure centre, we will hear something about Upper Bann or

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Newry and Armagh. Both of which should be interesting. Conor

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Macauley is there. We will hear from him in due course. We will get some

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numbers. We will stay with this and hear them. Upper Bann was the last

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constituency to make its final declaration in May. Lots of people

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saying that Doug Beattie from the Ulster Unionist Party looks

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vulnerable there and Newry and Armagh, all six outgoing MLAs...

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They are standing again. Let us listen.

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Each stage announcement will include the outcome of the stage and the

:50:31.:50:36.

details of the next stage. The declaration of the result will take

:50:37.:50:42.

place after five candidates have been deemed carded. There will be

:50:43.:50:47.

speeches until after the declaration. This is the outcome of

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the first stage of the Newry and Armagh constituency. The total

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number of ballot papers counted was 55,000 625. There were 707 rejected

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papers. The number of ballot papers was 54,000 918. The quota is 9154.

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The number of first preference votes given for each candidate was as

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follows... Cathal Boylan, Sinn Fein, 9197. Jackie Coade, Alliance Party,

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1418. Emmet Crossan, independent social thought, 704. Megan Fearon,

:51:36.:51:48.

Sinn Fein, 8881. William Urban, DUP, 9760. Danny Kennedy, Ulster Unionist

:51:49.:52:01.

Party, 7256. Justin McNulty, SDLP, 8983. Conor Murphy, Sinn Fein, 8454.

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Rowan Tunnicliffe, Green Party, 265. William Irwin and Cathal Boylan have

:52:19.:52:22.

reached the quota and are deemed elected, the next stage will involve

:52:23.:52:25.

the transfer of their surplus votes in accordance with the preferences

:52:26.:52:30.

shown. If the total surplus of the candidates deemed elected was

:52:31.:52:33.

transferred to the three candidates with the lowest votes, it will not

:52:34.:52:36.

change the order of the remaining candidates. The next age is to

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therefore be the exclusion of the three candidates with the lowest

:52:41.:52:45.

votes. Rowan Tunnicliffe... Confirmation that Cathal Boylan Sinn

:52:46.:52:49.

Fein and William Irwin from the DUP have been elected, deemed elected in

:52:50.:52:58.

Newry and Armagh. And the last of the bunch, Megan Fearon, Danny

:52:59.:53:01.

Kennedy, Justin McNulty and Conor Murphy, that'll be interesting

:53:02.:53:05.

tussle for the three remaining seats. Back to Tara Mills at the

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Titanic Exhibition Centre. We can go back to Mairtin O'Muilleoir, were

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interrupted briefly. When it comes to the future, what are you going

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into? What can you guarantee for the Sinn Fein electorate?

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Congratulations to this long, wonderful result, being returned on

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the first count. -- to Naomi Long. In East Belfast! Secondly, great to

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talk about the future because the talk in government with the former

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partners has always been about the past and dragging us back. On the

:53:47.:53:50.

doorsteps, people talk about the future. People insisted that they

:53:51.:53:57.

wanted to be represented by people who work for a progressive Belfast

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and a united Belfast and that is a mandate we bring with us. You are

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congratulating Naomi Long. Alison, while things shaping up? An amazing

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collection for Sinn Fein, they have got their vote out, the increased

:54:15.:54:20.

vote has benefited them. In nationalist strongholds, West

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Belfast is looking like four Sinn Fein and People Before Profit. That

:54:25.:54:28.

is being played out across the North. The story will also be East

:54:29.:54:32.

Belfast and Naomi Long and the Alliance Party's massive success

:54:33.:54:39.

because with the DUP, they look to be punished by the unionist

:54:40.:54:43.

electorate for RHI and other scandals, those votes are not

:54:44.:54:47.

transferring to other unionist parties, the UUP, we're going

:54:48.:54:53.

towards moderate parties. That happened in Stratford with Kellie

:54:54.:54:58.

Armstrong being 500 votes ahead. That'll be very interesting,

:54:59.:55:02.

especially in East Belfast, that is such a unionist stronghold, with

:55:03.:55:06.

votes going towards Lyons, that will trouble DUP greatly in that area. We

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have seen that this was the election they said nobody wanted, people were

:55:12.:55:16.

meant to be tired having gone to the polls 7.5 months ago but we wonder

:55:17.:55:22.

if anybody is listening and you can see the electorate are very engaged

:55:23.:55:25.

and they have made their voice heard. When we come to analyse this

:55:26.:55:31.

in the days to come, we will have a feeling of how people feel and what

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their opinions where given the recent political scandals with

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greater numbers to analyse. Early days in terms of the DUP picture but

:55:39.:55:42.

you see this move with Alliance coming through, what do you think

:55:43.:55:48.

will be the postmortem the DUP will have? The Alliance Party are having

:55:49.:55:54.

a good election, they are putting on votes as a consequence of the

:55:55.:55:59.

increased turnout, and this is only anecdotally, amongst younger people,

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they are least likely to adopt unionist or nationalised labels so

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the Alliance Party is a natural. The DUP are taking a hit but it does not

:56:09.:56:15.

quite seem to be huge at this stage, remember of the high watermark of

:56:16.:56:19.

the DUP last time in 2016 and 2011, that would never be repeated, even

:56:20.:56:26.

with RHI. The DUP got 86% of their candidates elected in 2016 and it

:56:27.:56:30.

would always take a head today and the problem is on the side of the

:56:31.:56:36.

UUP, the Ulster Unionists, they are not in significantly stronger

:56:37.:56:39.

position to make the advances they should be making at the expense of

:56:40.:56:45.

the DUP and that is where the real story and potentially -- story

:56:46.:56:50.

potentially lies. Ulster Unionists is littered with people who

:56:51.:56:56.

advocated compromise, Trimble, Mike Nesbitt, it was laudable in some

:56:57.:57:00.

ways what Mike Nesbitt did, urging cross community transfers. Has that

:57:01.:57:06.

gone against the UUP? Or generally Mike Nesbitt?

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If you look at the level of cross-community transfers from

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unionist parties it's low, less than 2% of U. P voters last time went to

:57:16.:57:21.

the SDLP. So it was in many ways it was a laudable call but it was full

:57:22.:57:25.

of political risk and I think that's why the DUP will probably, their

:57:26.:57:29.

vote will probably hold up by default because of the weaknesses of

:57:30.:57:32.

the Ulster Unionist party. In terms of the big parties then, it's

:57:33.:57:36.

probably likely it will still be Sinn Fein and the DUP, so what hope

:57:37.:57:39.

is there that there will be agreement? Well, there is always

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hope and I take great hope from the remarkable result I have received in

:57:45.:57:51.

South Belfast, my colleague Orlaithi Flynn has been returned and I hope

:57:52.:57:55.

the Tories are listening and the DUP, because this election really is

:57:56.:57:59.

about implementing previous agreements, previous Solemn

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agreements, Maze, Long Kesh and the DUP went back on their word, Irish

:58:05.:58:09.

language act, the Tories went back on their word and blocking equal

:58:10.:58:12.

rights for Irish speakers and dealing with the past. So, we

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actually have a difficult period ahead but it's about implementing

:58:17.:58:20.

previous agreements and I am hopeful because the ordinary people have

:58:21.:58:23.

spoken just as they spoke against Brexit and I hope the Tories turn

:58:24.:58:30.

away from the lunancy of Brexit. They voted against it again today we

:58:31.:58:34.

should hope the DUP is listening in terms of disrespect and arrogance

:58:35.:58:37.

and their wish to drag us back to the past about I hope the Tories are

:58:38.:58:40.

listening too because they've a part to play in making sure we make

:58:41.:58:45.

progress. Alison, is it a wasted vote for alliance in a sense that if

:58:46.:58:50.

they're not within the Executive then what real change can they make

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to some of the issues that Martin is talking about? I don't think so, it

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gives out a clear message, the DUP are likely to be returned as the

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largest party, they're going to have to reflect on the election and the

:59:04.:59:07.

hit they've taken to the Alliance Party and maybe reflect especially

:59:08.:59:11.

on some social issues where they've used petition of concern to block

:59:12.:59:13.

progress on things like same-sex marriage. I don't think that the

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Tory Government will be listening, I think Theresa May has other things

:59:18.:59:21.

on her mind with regards to Brexit. I think they'll be keen for the

:59:22.:59:24.

parties to get some resolution in the next few weeks, I don't think

:59:25.:59:28.

there is appetite for direct rule from Westminster. They've enough on

:59:29.:59:31.

their plate, the last thing weigh want to do is take over control of

:59:32.:59:34.

Northern Ireland. At the same time, we have seen a reduced number, we

:59:35.:59:39.

will see a reduced number of DUP MLAs returned, that doesn't mean

:59:40.:59:43.

there is massive change in the demographic of the coalition

:59:44.:59:45.

Government. Let's face it, it's going to be a Sinn Fein and DUP

:59:46.:59:48.

coalition. Before we leave it there, did you vote any unionist down your

:59:49.:59:55.

ticket? No, I didn't... Have you ever, I wonder about that? I told

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Stephen Nolan maybe if I live to be 105. At this stage I was really in

:00:02.:00:05.

favour of progressive candidates and those against Brexit, those who were

:00:06.:00:10.

for Irish uniteny and that's back on the agenda as part of my vote in

:00:11.:00:13.

South Belfast, as well. Thank you. Back to you, Mark.

:00:14.:00:18.

OK. Let me bring you up to speed with who has been returned at this

:00:19.:00:22.

stage. We have had a little bit of a rush there. Naomi Long is returned

:00:23.:00:29.

on the first count in East Belfast with over 7500. Elisha McCallion.

:00:30.:00:39.

Michelle O'Neill in Mid Ulster topped the poll there. Also home

:00:40.:00:46.

Keith bu Khan nan of the DUP with 9,000. William Irwin of the DUP

:00:47.:00:51.

returned on the first count in their constituencies. And Danny Kennedy,

:00:52.:00:59.

that's - Danny Kennedy is in trouble in Newry and Armagh. Mairtin

:01:00.:01:03.

O'Muilleoir topped the poll in South Belfast. Orlaithi Flynn in West

:01:04.:01:08.

Belfast, both Father Sinn Fein. Let's look at North Down. Alain

:01:09.:01:12.

chambers and Steven Farry, deputy leader of the Alliance Party

:01:13.:01:16.

returned in North Down on the first count and Steven Farry joins me now

:01:17.:01:20.

from the count centre. Congratulations. Are you relieved?

:01:21.:01:27.

Well, thanks, Mark. Certainly I am pleased in a personal capacity and

:01:28.:01:31.

also pleased for the party in that it does seem we are set to hold all

:01:32.:01:37.

eight of our current outgoing MLAs. And our votes will be up across

:01:38.:01:41.

Northern Ireland as a whole. At the same time, I am certainly

:01:42.:01:44.

apprehensive about the future. We are in extremely uncertain times.

:01:45.:01:48.

People have come out and are more energised about our politics but

:01:49.:01:52.

that happens in the context where we don't have a functioning Assembly or

:01:53.:01:57.

Executive and there are challenges ranging from a budget through to how

:01:58.:02:02.

we manage the implications on Brexit we have to get to grips with over

:02:03.:02:07.

the weeks. Any sign of growth for alliance, it's difficult in a

:02:08.:02:11.

shrinking Assembly but you are confident you will hold eight seats,

:02:12.:02:15.

do you see anywhere you might seek a 9th or 10th? In the context of a a

:02:16.:02:22.

shrinking Assembly holding all eight is a gain in terms of the

:02:23.:02:28.

proportionate seats we have, so Alliance is on the March. On the one

:02:29.:02:32.

hand you are seeing the centre ground with Alliance at the heart of

:02:33.:02:35.

that exerting itself, particularly in the greater Belfast area and

:02:36.:02:38.

across the other constituencies too. At the same time, we still have a

:02:39.:02:42.

pollerised electorate with the DUP and Sinn Fein set to be returned as

:02:43.:02:48.

the two largest parties. Outside of the current eight we are seeing

:02:49.:02:51.

strong performances, for example, in West Belfast, one of our best

:02:52.:02:55.

results for several years and that's a good sign as a fact of we are

:02:56.:02:59.

being taken as a much more serious player across Northern Ireland. I

:03:00.:03:04.

hear also in South Down we are outpolling the Ulster Unionist party

:03:05.:03:08.

and no one saw that one coming. Congratulations again, thank you. No

:03:09.:03:14.

doubt we will speak to you again. Let's come back to the panel.

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Stephen, just to pick up, contradictory trends he talked about

:03:22.:03:24.

and Alliance looks as if it will hold firm in the middle ground but

:03:25.:03:30.

opposite ends of the political spectrum appear to be doing well.

:03:31.:03:35.

Yes, differentential turnout, west and east of the Bann, which has

:03:36.:03:40.

always been the case here, it requires more nationalists to get a

:03:41.:03:46.

seat in the Assembly than it does in the east of the province where

:03:47.:03:50.

unionists are in the majority. So, it is, I think it's going to take us

:03:51.:03:54.

quite a while. The broad sweep is there. But it's going to take a

:03:55.:03:59.

while before we can establish exactly what has happened here. Are

:04:00.:04:05.

you concerned that Danny Kennedy could be in difficulty in his count?

:04:06.:04:09.

Clearly Danny has been a long-term representative there and hopefully

:04:10.:04:13.

will be returned again. It's going to be hard for him, he is in 6th

:04:14.:04:19.

place fighting for five seats. It is hard to see where he will pick

:04:20.:04:24.

transfers up from. Given those figures clearly it is difficult. I

:04:25.:04:26.

am still confident there are a number of transfers still to come

:04:27.:04:30.

and I think from memory the Alliance Party had a number of transfers to

:04:31.:04:36.

come there. Look, it is unfortunate, as Stephen indicated, there seems to

:04:37.:04:42.

be a pollerisation that's certainly increased the vote in Northern

:04:43.:04:45.

Ireland and many people were predicting last week that the vote

:04:46.:04:49.

would decrease in Northern Ireland. But against all the odds and the

:04:50.:04:53.

same as in many other cases this last 12 months, you know, the

:04:54.:04:57.

predictions have been wrong and the vote has increased and there is that

:04:58.:05:01.

pollerisation. Thank you. I will come back to the rest of you.

:05:02.:05:06.

Michelle O'Neill, Sinn Fein's leader in Stormont, has joined us now from

:05:07.:05:10.

Ballymena. First of all, congratulations to

:05:11.:05:15.

you. You topped the poll with 10258 first preferences. No huge surprise.

:05:16.:05:21.

I think you are the first person to be returned with a vote over 10,000

:05:22.:05:25.

first preferences, is that right? I am not sure. I have been here all

:05:26.:05:28.

morning, but obviously I am delighted to receive the vote which

:05:29.:05:32.

I have. I am also delighted that the people of Mid Ulster put their faith

:05:33.:05:38.

in Sinn Fein. 26207 people send their best wishes to Martin

:05:39.:05:42.

McGuinness today in the vote they've returned. We are date our other two

:05:43.:05:46.

candidates will be returned. We fought a positive campaign. The

:05:47.:05:49.

public have responded well. Here in Mid Ulster we have seen a 14%

:05:50.:05:53.

increase which is significant given that the average across the North

:05:54.:05:57.

has been a 10% increase. I think that sends a strong signal that the

:05:58.:06:01.

campaign we fought, people were motivated to vote because they

:06:02.:06:04.

understood the message, they understood the need for this

:06:05.:06:07.

election. It's a good day for Sinn Fein in Mid Ulster and obviously a

:06:08.:06:10.

good day across the board, some other counts are coming in. It is

:06:11.:06:16.

hard to read at this stage, we were just hearing from Stephen Farry and

:06:17.:06:20.

one of our guests in the studio saying there are contradictory

:06:21.:06:24.

trends and appears to be pollerisation, Alliance seems to be

:06:25.:06:28.

doing well in the middle ground. The DUP is also performing well in, so

:06:29.:06:33.

far as we know at this stage, you clearly have had some successes. So,

:06:34.:06:37.

one end of the spectrum, the other end and the middle ground all seem

:06:38.:06:41.

to be claiming some degree of success at this stage. I think it is

:06:42.:06:45.

a very interesting election. We have always said it would be a watershed

:06:46.:06:48.

election and it is early days so it's hard to predict the full

:06:49.:06:53.

outcome at the end of tomorrow. For me it's about now making sure the -

:06:54.:06:57.

when the votes are counted that my team's organised and will be over

:06:58.:07:00.

the weekend that we are ready to deal with the issues that need to be

:07:01.:07:04.

dealt with. There clearly are problems and I think particularly

:07:05.:07:07.

here in Mid Ulster and I can speak for the electoral who returned us

:07:08.:07:13.

and we are very grateful, I said it throughout the election campaign,

:07:14.:07:16.

when Sinn Fein wins, we win for all. We have a job to do to restore

:07:17.:07:20.

integrity and respect in the institutions, that's what I am up

:07:21.:07:23.

for and our team will be up for, we have a job ahead in the next three

:07:24.:07:26.

weeks. Sinn Fein will be at Stormont on Monday, we will be dealing with

:07:27.:07:31.

all the issues and we need to get down to trying to restore the lack

:07:32.:07:34.

of public confidence there has been in the institutions and trying to

:07:35.:07:38.

get to the bottom of all those serious issues, we don't need a new

:07:39.:07:41.

negotiation, we don't need a new agreement. We need implementation of

:07:42.:07:45.

what's been outstanding. Just to be clear, what does this mandate, if it

:07:46.:07:49.

ends up being as strong a mandate as you are suggesting it could be, what

:07:50.:07:54.

does that mandate give you you the right to demand, what will you do

:07:55.:07:57.

with it next week and the week after? It's not about demands, it's

:07:58.:08:01.

about people's rights, it's about the public having faith in the

:08:02.:08:03.

institutions and those people that govern. It's about making sure that

:08:04.:08:07.

we deliver for all citizens on the basis of equality and respect.

:08:08.:08:10.

That's what my mandate will do, that's what the Sinn Fein mandate

:08:11.:08:13.

will do, we will fight for the rights of all citizens, not just

:08:14.:08:16.

those people that elect Sinn Fein but those people in society. We need

:08:17.:08:20.

to have a society based on rights that people feel valued and

:08:21.:08:23.

respected and that's what we will go into the negotiation to secure for

:08:24.:08:26.

all those people that have come out in their numbers to vote in this

:08:27.:08:31.

election. Whenever you and I had a conversation on The View before the

:08:32.:08:33.

election you were clear about this and you said, I can't be any

:08:34.:08:39.

clearer, you will not go back into an Executive if Arlene Foster is the

:08:40.:08:43.

nominee of the DUP. You will not work with her on this side of a

:08:44.:08:47.

public inquiry into RHI. If you go back with a strong hand the DUP also

:08:48.:08:51.

has a strong enough hand and it says we are backing Arlene Foster to

:08:52.:08:56.

continue as our leader, and nominating her we are stuck. We are

:08:57.:09:00.

on a hook or have you thought of a way now on this side of the election

:09:01.:09:04.

that you can share with us to get us off that hook? Well, obviously I

:09:05.:09:08.

have said and it remains my position that we couldn't go into Government

:09:09.:09:12.

with Arlene foser in the position of first or Deputy First Minister

:09:13.:09:14.

whilst there is a cloud hanging over her, that remains the position. If

:09:15.:09:16.

people are serious about making the institutions work, if people are

:09:17.:09:20.

serious about power sharing, genuine power sharing, if people are serious

:09:21.:09:23.

about equality and respect, then whilst we might have a difficult

:09:24.:09:28.

period ahead in the next few weeks nothing that is unachievable if

:09:29.:09:31.

people come with the right attitude. It does not mean an Executive cannot

:09:32.:09:35.

be formed. You know Arlene Foster would say there is no cloud over

:09:36.:09:39.

her, she was a Minister, she did nothing wrong. She acted on the

:09:40.:09:44.

instructions or advice of her civil servants and the RHI public inquiry

:09:45.:09:50.

will get to grips with what did and did not happen. Some of the claims

:09:51.:09:54.

she says don't stack up. It's up to the DUP to decide what they do in

:09:55.:09:59.

terms of their personnel. It's not up to Sinn Fein. It's not up to you.

:10:00.:10:06.

I have always said it's not for me to dictate who leads the DUP. I am

:10:07.:10:09.

only interested in Government and institution that is deliver for all

:10:10.:10:13.

citizens. We can't be one-sided, we need to make sure we show

:10:14.:10:16.

leadership. The office of first and Deputy First Minister needs to do

:10:17.:10:21.

more, they need to step outside their comfort zone and through to

:10:22.:10:23.

the principles of power sharing and make sure the Executive works on the

:10:24.:10:27.

basis of equality. That's what our team are interested in. While we

:10:28.:10:30.

have a difficult period ahead we can achieve a way forward if people come

:10:31.:10:34.

at it with the right attitude, that's what Sinn Fein will do and

:10:35.:10:37.

that's what I will lead my negotiating team in to do. We are

:10:38.:10:41.

look to look at pictures of Gerry Kelly who topped the poll in North

:10:42.:10:46.

Belfast. I haven't the data for North Belfast at this stage. Maybe

:10:47.:10:50.

it's just... No, hasn't come in at the moment. He has been successful

:10:51.:10:59.

as far as your party is concerned. Also Elisha McCallion and Orlaithi

:11:00.:11:01.

Flynn, Mairtin O'Muilleoir, so a good day at the office from Sinn

:11:02.:11:05.

Fein's point of view. Yes, it has and it's great to see those

:11:06.:11:08.

candidates, first-class people who will work for all our citizens. We

:11:09.:11:12.

have said throughout this campaign a very positive message, we want to

:11:13.:11:14.

deliver for all citizens on the basis of equality and respect.

:11:15.:11:17.

That's what all those people have received a mandate for. I am

:11:18.:11:19.

delighted and proud of our team. I look forward to the rest of the

:11:20.:11:23.

results coming in it throughout day and tomorrow.

:11:24.:11:24.

Thank you very much. We can hear from Simon Hamilton, the

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DUP, successful DUP candidate in Strangford, topping the poll.

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Congratulations. Thank you. Was that a relief? Strangford was trailed as

:11:46.:11:55.

the real impossible constituency to call because unique, you had seven

:11:56.:12:01.

outgoing MLAs looking for only five seats. I am pleased with my personal

:12:02.:12:08.

result but this is a good result for the party in Strangford, our hard

:12:09.:12:14.

work through the years has been awarded once again by the electorate

:12:15.:12:18.

and the vote has held up and myself and Michelle McIlveen have very high

:12:19.:12:23.

first preference totals and I am glad that Peter Weir is polling

:12:24.:12:27.

exceptionally well and we will wait for the later stages but we are

:12:28.:12:33.

hopeful of holding onto three seats. Doesn't look like Philip Smith will

:12:34.:12:37.

lose out at Jonathan Bell is pretty much already out? That is pretty

:12:38.:12:45.

clear. Philip Smith is trailing by around 1100 votes so we will have to

:12:46.:12:50.

go through some stages but we will be hopeful that Peter -- Philip will

:12:51.:12:59.

join us. You have known Jonathan Bell for a very long time,

:13:00.:13:03.

constituency and party colleague and Executive colour, he has been

:13:04.:13:09.

suspended from the DUP, and he is still technically a member. Do you

:13:10.:13:13.

shed any tears at the end of his political career? You will remember

:13:14.:13:22.

before Christmas he predicted the end of his career and we will see

:13:23.:13:29.

whether the result today is the end, I am disappointed with what Jonathan

:13:30.:13:33.

did before Christmas, he took that decision for his own reasons and he

:13:34.:13:36.

has put himself forward to the electorate in Strangford who have

:13:37.:13:41.

not endorsed him in the way he thought. I am glad the people in

:13:42.:13:45.

Strangford held faith with the DUP and have held up the vote and were

:13:46.:13:52.

on course to hold onto three seats. Where have you been for the past six

:13:53.:13:58.

weeks? You have been remarkably low-profile for a man who was put

:13:59.:14:01.

forward at every opportunity by the DUP as a front-line spokesperson. I

:14:02.:14:07.

have not seen you in weeks, since before Christmas. I don't think you

:14:08.:14:12.

are vote in the Strangford constituency, I have been here

:14:13.:14:17.

working hard and that has paid off in the election, working hard to not

:14:18.:14:21.

just hold onto my own seat but also to help and ensure we get three

:14:22.:14:25.

seats in this constituency and that is hopefully but we will do. How do

:14:26.:14:30.

you read the overall picture in all seriousness? The contradictory

:14:31.:14:35.

nature of the figures at this early stage, what do you think is

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happening? More people voted this time than ten months ago. I think it

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is very encouraging that there was an increased turnout, Strangford,

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along with North Down, traditionally has had a very low turnout and it is

:14:53.:14:56.

good to see more people participating in the democratic

:14:57.:15:00.

process and the selection has engaged people and the issues have

:15:01.:15:04.

been important and I have had a consistent message around the doors,

:15:05.:15:09.

particularly yesterday, was people coming through the gates and they

:15:10.:15:14.

want the institutions at Stormont to be up and running, the Executive to

:15:15.:15:18.

be formed and the Assembly working on their behalf on the issues that

:15:19.:15:22.

matter to them in health and education and jobs and we have work

:15:23.:15:26.

to do over the next couple of weeks to ensure that this desire which was

:15:27.:15:31.

uniform across the board over the election campaign is something that

:15:32.:15:35.

we can deliver on. We get the Executive running again and the

:15:36.:15:38.

Assembly working and we have an Executive delivering for people and

:15:39.:15:42.

we continue the good work that was taking place with the new Executive

:15:43.:15:48.

until December. Congratulations again, we will maybe talk again.

:15:49.:15:54.

Simon Hamilton, thank you. We can go back to Tara Mills in Titanic. Naomi

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Long is here. An increased turnout has helped you. It seems so. We had

:16:03.:16:08.

a very good election, particularly in East Belfast, and a credible

:16:09.:16:13.

election for us. We have polled based on what we have seen with the

:16:14.:16:18.

best ever election result in East Belfast and beyond that, Stephen

:16:19.:16:23.

Farry polling very strongly with the vote up in North Down and the same

:16:24.:16:27.

with Kellie Armstrong, who was second in the poll, beating the

:16:28.:16:30.

Ulster Unionist leader into third place. This has been a good day for

:16:31.:16:38.

Alliance, and in constituencies where we traditionally have been

:16:39.:16:41.

week we have seen the effort we have put into building the vote paying

:16:42.:16:46.

off. In terms of the vote share. Very positive and I hope this

:16:47.:16:49.

translates into something positive when it comes to what starts night,

:16:50.:16:55.

getting devolution be established. So many interesting facets to that.

:16:56.:17:00.

In terms of the vote, who has come out, why has your vote increased?

:17:01.:17:07.

People who wanted to punish the DUP, instead of voting for the UUP have

:17:08.:17:11.

voted for Alliance? We did not set out to be the protest vote, we were

:17:12.:17:16.

clear that we wanted to offer a positive alternative and that is

:17:17.:17:20.

what we did. We talked about what we would do differently and how we can

:17:21.:17:24.

try to re-establish the Assembly on a sustainable footing that can

:17:25.:17:28.

deliver for people and people responded and connected with that.

:17:29.:17:33.

Rather than simply voting in protest or out of anger, they wanted to hear

:17:34.:17:38.

the alternative because was a degree of despair when we ended up at the

:17:39.:17:40.

election so quickly after the last one and people felt we had given up

:17:41.:17:46.

and people said that the high turnout could be good news for some

:17:47.:17:51.

of the established parties. We have found that lots of people turning

:17:52.:17:55.

out had never voted before or have not voted for a very long time but

:17:56.:17:58.

they were motivated because they were frustrated over what has

:17:59.:18:01.

happened over the last eight months and that has benefited Alliance.

:18:02.:18:05.

What guarantees can you give those people who are putting their faith

:18:06.:18:11.

in you? What position can you have? This time, not going into

:18:12.:18:16.

opposition, we will take one of those ministerial seats? We were

:18:17.:18:22.

very clear. Whether we would be government or opposition and this is

:18:23.:18:25.

about the quality of government and if there are other parties willing

:18:26.:18:29.

to work with us and if there is an opportunity to be in government, but

:18:30.:18:32.

if that government is open and accountable and delivering for the

:18:33.:18:37.

people and dealing with issues like division in society and other

:18:38.:18:41.

priorities, that we talked about in this election, we want to be part of

:18:42.:18:46.

making that work. If other parties do not want to do with those issues,

:18:47.:18:51.

we will go into opposition and hold them to account. We need to sit down

:18:52.:18:55.

with other parties at the end of this and start to talk about what

:18:56.:19:00.

we're going to do next week because we have a challenge. People want

:19:01.:19:03.

devolution restored. They want to see the Assembly working. With the

:19:04.:19:09.

obstacles that are in the way around Sinn Fein and the DUP, do you think

:19:10.:19:16.

direct rule is inevitable? I do not, it would be disastrous for Northern

:19:17.:19:20.

Ireland, a major step backwards. People were elected today to do the

:19:21.:19:25.

job, to deliver government, they have the responsibility and other

:19:26.:19:30.

roadblocks in the way, people need to remove them, to do what they have

:19:31.:19:34.

been tasked with, to get around the table and get devolution restored

:19:35.:19:38.

and start delivering for the people who voted. I am grateful to the

:19:39.:19:42.

people who came out yesterday, particularly last night in some of

:19:43.:19:46.

the worst weather of this campaign, and they were queueing up outside

:19:47.:19:49.

polling stations to give us a mandate, a mandate to govern. It is

:19:50.:19:55.

our responsibility to do that job and that goes double for those with

:19:56.:20:00.

larger mandates than ours. John Tong, do you think direct rule is

:20:01.:20:05.

inevitable? More probable than not, I cannot see any deal between the

:20:06.:20:09.

DUP and Sinn Fein, Michelle O'Neill could not have been clearer, she

:20:10.:20:14.

will not work with Arlene Foster, whether Sinn Fein is the largest

:20:15.:20:19.

party, they will not accept Arlene Foster as Deputy First Minister or

:20:20.:20:23.

as First Minister. There was no wriggle room. The DUP are likely to

:20:24.:20:30.

put anybody else in? That would be Sinn Fein choosing a leader of the

:20:31.:20:34.

DUP and it is possible they can temporarily put somebody else

:20:35.:20:37.

forward but this campaign has been about the DUP arguing that the

:20:38.:20:42.

sequencing was wrong, let us have the enquiry into RHI and if the

:20:43.:20:46.

enquiry is damning of Arlene Foster, there is case for her to go. I do

:20:47.:20:52.

not see any ground for movement on that. What you are looking at

:20:53.:21:00.

potentially is an Assembly sitting but basically scrutinising the

:21:01.:21:04.

decisions of James Brokenshire. 90 people will be places but in effect

:21:05.:21:09.

James Brokenshire has been elected because he will be the person making

:21:10.:21:14.

key decisions for the next nine months. I am also concerned that the

:21:15.:21:19.

enquiry, people assume that will clear the air, I would not expect

:21:20.:21:23.

the parties to cherry pick the findings down the line so we might

:21:24.:21:31.

have this hiatus after that. Sorry to be gloomy but this is not the

:21:32.:21:35.

road back to full blown devolution. In 2003 I was here electing to a

:21:36.:21:41.

government that did not actually exist. Naomi Long has shown that

:21:42.:21:50.

East Belfast is always seen as this loyalist citadel but that has not

:21:51.:21:53.

been the case for a very long time. Two Westminster elections with only

:21:54.:21:58.

a minority of people voting for the DUP and you are seeing today the

:21:59.:22:02.

Alliance Party performing strongly so the nature of that constituency

:22:03.:22:08.

is changing but the narrative today will be Alliance doing very well but

:22:09.:22:11.

the major narrative is the onward march of Sinn Fein. Glutton for

:22:12.:22:16.

punishment! Always coming back! Back to the studio. As John Tong said, we

:22:17.:22:24.

may not be electing an Assembly but just negotiators in the talks but

:22:25.:22:28.

nevertheless it is important to see what the strengths of the parties

:22:29.:22:31.

will be because that will determine what the bargaining power is. We are

:22:32.:22:38.

looking at a couple of swing constituencies, first of all, South

:22:39.:22:44.

Belfast. Many moons ago was an Ulster Unionist stronghold, hard to

:22:45.:22:49.

imagine that right now! The DUP topping the poll in South Belfast,

:22:50.:22:53.

closely followed by the SDLP but I very even spread. What has happened

:22:54.:22:58.

to the share? Just above the quarter. I was fast, there. We shot

:22:59.:23:08.

past Mairtin O'Muilleoir. One of the reasons he got elected so quickly

:23:09.:23:16.

was Sinn Fein added 3.5%. We're still waiting for any constituency

:23:17.:23:20.

where Sinn Fein or Alliance have a drop in their vote share. Mairtin

:23:21.:23:23.

O'Muilleoir at the top in South Belfast. Lots of talk about Emma

:23:24.:23:29.

Little-Pengelly. Possibly not making it. She is in fifth place. Why are

:23:30.:23:35.

people thinking she might not be the fifth MLA? Going back one step,

:23:36.:23:43.

there might be only one DUP MLA because Clare Bailey of the Green

:23:44.:23:49.

Party, less than 200 votes behind. She has a lot of potential votes

:23:50.:23:53.

that will come to her before they go to the DUP. Hoovering up from

:23:54.:23:57.

Alliance and People Before Profit. Does Emma Little-Pengelly stay

:23:58.:24:05.

behind Christopher Stalford? One of them is more transfer toxic and

:24:06.:24:13.

which one is more friendly? The last seat could be between both DUP

:24:14.:24:17.

councillors. Sinn Fein, SDLP, Alliance Party, pretty much home.

:24:18.:24:25.

Which DUP candidate comes through? And the Green Party might have a

:24:26.:24:32.

seat. And in Foyle. Elisha McCallion, elected on the first

:24:33.:24:36.

card. Impressive given that Martin McGuinness was not in the fray. We

:24:37.:24:42.

can see that Sinn Fein maintain dominance over the SDLP. The first

:24:43.:24:49.

time they have beaten the SDLP. Despite the fact that the SDLP have

:24:50.:24:54.

a party leader and the Minister and this is the change. Enormous rise in

:24:55.:25:04.

the Sinn Fein vote? Here we go. This is that swing. More than 3% from the

:25:05.:25:12.

SDLP to Sinn Fein. Pretty drastic and Sinn Fein is out polling the

:25:13.:25:19.

SDLP in South Down, that was the other remaining stronghold. Elisha

:25:20.:25:24.

McCallion is already there. Raymond McCartney will come through and both

:25:25.:25:28.

SDLP candidates but what about the fifth set? It is likely that Gary

:25:29.:25:34.

Middleton will keep that for the DUP, there are enough unionist votes

:25:35.:25:39.

in the Ulster Unionists and the Conservatives that I think will

:25:40.:25:44.

prove sufficient. That means Eamonn McCann, after decades of getting

:25:45.:25:48.

elected, trying to get elected, this could be a very truncated medical

:25:49.:25:55.

career? He has had a very early -- long career outside of the Assembly,

:25:56.:25:59.

it is too early to say goodbye to him! Eamonn McCann is not the driver

:26:00.:26:07.

and he won't have to wait for all of those lifts and trains and buses to

:26:08.:26:14.

take him back to Derry! Thank you. I want to speak to Paul Givan of the

:26:15.:26:19.

DUP, topping the poll in Lagan Valley. And he joins us. From the

:26:20.:26:23.

count centre. Congratulations, well done. 8035

:26:24.:26:35.

first preference votes, are you a relieved man this mid-afternoon?

:26:36.:26:38.

Well, obviously, I am personally delighted with the vote that I

:26:39.:26:42.

received, to get over 8,000 votes is obviously an endorsement from my own

:26:43.:26:46.

constituency. I am more interested in obviously the final tally when it

:26:47.:26:49.

comes to the end of the day as to how many seats the party gets and I

:26:50.:26:52.

will be watching as the count proceeds. We are clearly getting two

:26:53.:26:56.

seats comfortably in Lagan Valley, the last seat here will go down to

:26:57.:27:00.

the wire. It's between us, the Ulster Unionists and the SDLP. There

:27:01.:27:04.

has been an increased turnout amongst the nationalist voting base

:27:05.:27:07.

here in the constituency and that's going to make for an interesting and

:27:08.:27:11.

possibly protracted number of stages here in Lisburn. If you lose one of

:27:12.:27:21.

your three seats it would be Brenda Hale on the face of it. Pat Catney

:27:22.:27:27.

is a bit behind but it depends, as it will in many constituencies, it

:27:28.:27:33.

will come down to the transfers and who could Hoover them up? It will.

:27:34.:27:38.

It is Brenda, Jenny and Pat I think will be the last three candidates

:27:39.:27:43.

vying for that last seat. There is a Sinn Fein vote there, obviously to

:27:44.:27:46.

transfer to Pat Catney and that's going to increase his first

:27:47.:27:50.

preference tally. So, this one we will have to wait and see. They're

:27:51.:27:57.

redistributing my surplus, there is a TUV vote, we expect to benefit

:27:58.:28:01.

through those stages and other independents, I would anticipate

:28:02.:28:04.

some parties will benefit from. That's obviously the way the PR

:28:05.:28:07.

system works, it's too close to call here in Lagan Valley. We fought a

:28:08.:28:11.

tough campaign. We increased our vote in the last election. Other

:28:12.:28:14.

parties were able to increase the turnout in their areas, as well.

:28:15.:28:17.

That's obviously now made that last seat something that I think everyone

:28:18.:28:21.

will be watching closely. Obviously we fought a hard campaign over the

:28:22.:28:24.

last four weeks. There are a range of issues that were brought up.

:28:25.:28:28.

Undoubtedly, people consolidated here around the DUP, they recognised

:28:29.:28:32.

that we were the party that they wanted to vote for. We need to have

:28:33.:28:37.

a strong party and today it's very clear we will be easily the largest

:28:38.:28:41.

unionist party in Northern Ireland and obviously the challenge now

:28:42.:28:45.

rests with us to find a way through the difficulties that exist at

:28:46.:28:48.

Stormont, people need to respect our mandate and we need to respect the

:28:49.:28:51.

mandate other parties are going to be receiving in this election.

:28:52.:28:53.

Ultimately, I do believe that we have to find a solution, that's what

:28:54.:28:58.

the people expect us to do. Good to talk to you,

:28:59.:29:02.

congratulations, thank you very much indeed for having a word with us.

:29:03.:29:06.

Paul Givan has been successful there. Topped the poll with over

:29:07.:29:10.

8,000 first preference votes. We have refreshed our panel. Good to

:29:11.:29:15.

see some new faces. Sir Jeffrey Donaldson is staying with us, we

:29:16.:29:20.

have been joined by the Sinn Fein MEP Martin in a Anderson. Professor

:29:21.:29:35.

Rick Wilford. No stranger to our output and also Newton Emerson.

:29:36.:29:40.

Martin in a, first of all, you clearly within Sinn Fein have had

:29:41.:29:43.

some strong performances, you have had a few poll toppers, we were

:29:44.:29:51.

talking to your party leader here, Michelle O'Neill, and she was saying

:29:52.:29:54.

she was pleased with how things are going but there is a long way to go.

:29:55.:29:58.

Without doubt there is a long way to go. When you consider Elisha

:29:59.:30:02.

McCallion has topped the poll in Derry, first time out, a magnificent

:30:03.:30:07.

performance. Not just for Elisha but all of the candidates that were

:30:08.:30:12.

involved across the north, but her and Raymond, our vote is up, 16300

:30:13.:30:17.

in the Foyle constituency, that's the highest vote I think that Sinn

:30:18.:30:23.

Fein has ever received since we went out, Mitchell McLawing cane came

:30:24.:30:27.

close to that at one time or another. Here is good news, in South

:30:28.:30:40.

Down, 10256 first preferences for Sinead and Chris Hazard 8827. I know

:30:41.:30:53.

that Catriona Ruane was pleased, she was her election agent. She has been

:30:54.:31:00.

fantastic, Sinead. We have - there is a trend and a pattern across the

:31:01.:31:05.

north where young republican women are topping the poll and I think

:31:06.:31:09.

that's something we have seen as a trend the last time around, as well.

:31:10.:31:13.

We had a leader in Michelle O'Neill that has led from the front. People

:31:14.:31:17.

have said about this election and what it was all about. The election

:31:18.:31:22.

was about equality and respect and integrity at the heart of the

:31:23.:31:27.

political institutions. And that message resonated across, not just

:31:28.:31:31.

the city of Derry, but across the north. It is also to be fair, it's

:31:32.:31:35.

also the case that a lot of unionists have come out. The centre

:31:36.:31:41.

ground has held up well, the DUP has had good successes so far. We have

:31:42.:31:45.

spoken to some of the successful candidates. They were presumably

:31:46.:31:49.

voting for different reasons for a different agenda, for a different

:31:50.:31:52.

manifesto than Sinn Fein. You can't say the election was just about Sinn

:31:53.:31:57.

Fein's agenda. Jeffrey has a different agenda. Of course. I think

:31:58.:32:00.

that's going to be the story of the election. Martin McGuinness left a

:32:01.:32:07.

sick hospital bed to go up to the Assembly to say to Arlene Foster, to

:32:08.:32:12.

try to get her to try to instill a bit of humanity into that lady. And

:32:13.:32:19.

when you consider that Martin McGuinness faced down arrogance and

:32:20.:32:24.

disrespect, I can tell you across the North that was felt in a lot of

:32:25.:32:30.

republican nationalist homes. Jeffrey, I will give you an

:32:31.:32:33.

opportunity to respond. Presumably you would see things very

:32:34.:32:40.

differently. I do. And I think a lot of people, Martina, out there, will

:32:41.:32:44.

just think a little about what you have just said about humanity and

:32:45.:32:52.

Sinn Fein lecturing anyone on humanity when your leader stood and

:32:53.:32:58.

exonerated and eulogised members of the IRA who did a lot of... And you

:32:59.:33:02.

were a member of the UDR, you are not the person to be sitting there

:33:03.:33:07.

lecturing me about the whataboutery about the IRA. With all due respect

:33:08.:33:10.

to you... I didn't interrupt you. You are not the person to be

:33:11.:33:15.

lecturing republicans about the role of the UDR and the conflict. Hang

:33:16.:33:19.

on, let Jeffrey make his point. Respect means you let the other

:33:20.:33:24.

person speak. It means freedom of speech. I listened to you and didn't

:33:25.:33:28.

interrupt. Show this unionist a little bit of respect. I know it's

:33:29.:33:32.

really difficult for Sinn Fein to show any unionist respect. That's

:33:33.:33:37.

not true. You can't even use the term Northern Ireland, the very

:33:38.:33:41.

country you want to aspire to govern. You don't respect the

:33:42.:33:44.

country you are supposed to be governing. This does not augur well

:33:45.:33:47.

for partnership Government on the other side of the election. Let's be

:33:48.:33:51.

honest. Sometimes, Mark, you have to cut across the can't of Sinn Fein.

:33:52.:33:57.

Let's deal with the results. Martina is sitting here and it's almost as

:33:58.:34:00.

if everybody out there agrees with the Sinn Fein agenda. I have to

:34:01.:34:05.

challenge that. The DUP vote has held up well, despite the difficult

:34:06.:34:10.

circumstances that we are in, in the Foyle constituency the DUP vote is

:34:11.:34:14.

up. We have had some incredible results, in mid always, for example,

:34:15.:34:18.

our candidate there got over 2,000 more votes in this election. So, you

:34:19.:34:24.

know, Martina with the greatest of respect, I think Sinn Fein need to

:34:25.:34:28.

understand that there are still many people out there who do not accept

:34:29.:34:32.

the kind of agenda that you are talking about, Irish unity, Mairtin

:34:33.:34:36.

O'Muilleoir talked about, in South Belfast, the DUP beat you, the DUP

:34:37.:34:40.

is the largest party in South Belfast. People who voted for the

:34:41.:34:44.

DUP were not voting for Irish unity, they want a stable Northern Ireland,

:34:45.:34:47.

they want a Northern Ireland that works. They don't want, with

:34:48.:34:51.

respect, Martina, people setting preconditions, they voted, they

:34:52.:34:54.

voted for people to go back into Government. They voted for people to

:34:55.:34:58.

make Northern Ireland work. They want to see that happening. Remember

:34:59.:35:01.

that in the next three weeks, the DUP stands ready to go into

:35:02.:35:05.

Government. We will not be setting preconditions. So do we. We stand

:35:06.:35:12.

ready. We will not be going back to the status quo, that's something to

:35:13.:35:14.

be very mindful and clear about as we go forward. We need to treat each

:35:15.:35:19.

other and our constituencies with respect. And that means the DUP

:35:20.:35:26.

reaching out to the nationalist community, the Irish language

:35:27.:35:30.

speakers, Irish culture, changing names on boats, lifting Irish

:35:31.:35:34.

bursaries, the things that the DUP has done to Irish language speakers

:35:35.:35:40.

and our culture, that needs to stop. On this side of the election, the

:35:41.:35:43.

campaign is now over. We have fought the campaign. People have voted. We

:35:44.:35:47.

are now assessing what those votes mean. Somehow or other we have to

:35:48.:35:50.

put the pieces back together. Of course. And it's a question of

:35:51.:35:54.

whether the will is there on the part of the DUP and Sinn Fein, if

:35:55.:35:57.

they are returned as the two big he is parties t looks like they're

:35:58.:36:01.

going to be, is the will there to put the pieces back together?

:36:02.:36:07.

Absolutely, the will is there. Based on a political institution that's

:36:08.:36:13.

based on equality, it's based on respect and based on integrity. I

:36:14.:36:17.

need to pause there. The political will is definitely there from Sinn

:36:18.:36:22.

Fein. I will come back, we have breaking news in West Belfast.

:36:23.:36:28.

Let's hear from David Maxwell. Yes, welcome back to the Titanic

:36:29.:36:30.

Exhibition Centre. We have just heard in the last few minutes that

:36:31.:36:35.

Alex Attwood has been eliminated in West Belfast. That's a huge day for

:36:36.:36:42.

the SDLP, the SDLP represented in West Belfast for decades. That is

:36:43.:36:46.

now it appears at an end. We haven't seen Alex Attwood here in the hall

:36:47.:36:49.

today. We are trying to find members of the SDLP to get some reaction

:36:50.:36:54.

from them on it. But that appears to be it. We have it there. There it is

:36:55.:37:00.

in black and white, Alex Attwood, he got 4,000 total votes. But now

:37:01.:37:05.

excluded. We expect in that constituency that Sinn Fein will

:37:06.:37:08.

return all four of the candidates they put up, they spread their vote

:37:09.:37:12.

very evenly. Gerry Carroll is confident that he will take a seat

:37:13.:37:16.

there, as well. A remarkable day and remarkable news here.

:37:17.:37:20.

Thank you very much. We did predict there would be big name casualties

:37:21.:37:24.

in there, and there is a big name, Alex Attwood, definitely out, not in

:37:25.:37:29.

the next Assembly. It looks like there are interesting things

:37:30.:37:37.

happening in Newry and Armagh. Danny Kennedy is having a tough

:37:38.:37:43.

fight on his hands to hang on. Yeah, it's a torrid time for him at the

:37:44.:37:51.

moment. We have had two elected, William Irwin and Cathal Boylan also

:37:52.:38:02.

elected. A quota of 9154. Conor Murphy and Megan Fearon are close to

:38:03.:38:06.

the quota. Justin McNulty is just shy of it. They were doing a line-up

:38:07.:38:12.

and cheer in the media room, he said he wasn't celebrating prematurely

:38:13.:38:14.

but it looked like it to me. That means is that clearly it looks like

:38:15.:38:19.

Danny Kennedy is very much in the drop zone at the moment. He is on

:38:20.:38:28.

7256 first preferences, the foet at that is 9154. He would have to catch

:38:29.:38:35.

Connor Murphy, but he is around about 1200 votes ahead. It's quite

:38:36.:38:39.

hard to see where the transfers might be for Danny Kennedy at this

:38:40.:38:44.

moment in time now, we are dividing up - redistributing the votes of

:38:45.:38:50.

three candidates who have been excluded, the Green candidate, and

:38:51.:38:56.

the Alliance candidate, again as I said talking to people they can't

:38:57.:38:59.

see a way back for Danny Kennedy at this particular time.

:39:00.:39:05.

Thank you very much. That's interesting, if Danny Kennedy

:39:06.:39:10.

goes out, he is a former deputy leader of the Ulster Unionists

:39:11.:39:14.

party, at Stormont. He is a former Minister in the Executive, he would

:39:15.:39:18.

be another big name casualty. We will hear from Rick and Newton and

:39:19.:39:23.

also Jeffrey and Martina again shortly and get their thoughts on

:39:24.:39:26.

what's been happening. Let's look at some results so far from Mark

:39:27.:39:29.

Simpson. Sglp

:39:30.:39:32.

What we have done is squeezed the 18 constituencies together. Made them

:39:33.:39:37.

all the same size. And made up kind of our own virtual map.

:39:38.:39:42.

We can see from some of the colours spread around most of the

:39:43.:39:44.

constituencies have at least some of the seats filled.

:39:45.:39:48.

They're marked on the floor. Red is the DUP. Let's take a closer

:39:49.:39:54.

look and look at North Down. As you can see, three seats filled there so

:39:55.:39:58.

far. We can take a closer look and see who the three new MLAs are.

:39:59.:40:11.

No big surprises there. Let's look elsewhere on our virtual map. Let's

:40:12.:40:15.

look at Mid Ulster. Of course that's Michelle O'Neill's constituency.

:40:16.:40:21.

Is she back in? Yes, we heard from her earlier, back along with the

:40:22.:40:25.

DUP's Keith Buchanan, Sinn Fein and the DUP together. We haven't seen

:40:26.:40:29.

that often in recent weeks but we saw it in the studio a short time

:40:30.:40:32.

ago. Let's move on, let's have a quick

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look elsewhere. Let's look maybe at Newry and Armagh. There it is.

:40:39.:40:44.

Finding my bearings! Two seats filled so far. One for the DUP and

:40:45.:40:49.

one for Sinn Fein. That's really been the pattern so far. The DUP and

:40:50.:40:54.

Sinn Fein neck-and-neck, more or less, across the 18 constituencies.

:40:55.:41:00.

But it's early days. As the day unfolds, you heard Jeffrey Donaldson

:41:01.:41:03.

say that, they're hoping that the DUP are hoping that more of this map

:41:04.:41:06.

will turn red. That's the situation so far.

:41:07.:41:10.

The new political map is starting to take shape.

:41:11.:41:17.

And it is absolutely fascinating, I can confirm that Michaella Boyle and

:41:18.:41:22.

Eric McElduff have been elected in West Tyrone. Colum Eastwood, the

:41:23.:41:31.

SDLP leader, joins us from his constituency in Derry. You did not

:41:32.:41:37.

top the poll but you came in a couple of thousand first preference

:41:38.:41:42.

votes behind Elisha McCallion, you will hang onto that seat. Any idea

:41:43.:41:47.

how soon that announcement will be made? We're not sure, we're going

:41:48.:41:54.

through a number of counts, we have increased our vote in this

:41:55.:41:59.

constituency and are very happy, two elected, Sinn Fein have had a

:42:00.:42:02.

fantastic result and across the North. Coming in ahead of us but the

:42:03.:42:08.

SDLP vote has held up and is going up and were very content. Confident

:42:09.:42:15.

that Mark H Durkan will be successful? Two Sinn Fein and SDLP

:42:16.:42:20.

and the fifth seed going to Gary Middleton, that would be the end of

:42:21.:42:24.

Eamonn McCann? That is most likely but I would not count out Eamonn

:42:25.:42:30.

McCann, there are a lot of transfers yet but Gary Middleton is the

:42:31.:42:37.

favourite. As far as the SDLP is concerned, the headline bad news is

:42:38.:42:42.

Alex Attwood, the very high-profile member of the party, first elected

:42:43.:42:48.

to the Assembly in 1998, has been eliminated? Were very sorry about

:42:49.:42:57.

that, Alex was in a very uphill battle and he has given his life to

:42:58.:43:01.

Ireland and the party and the peace process and was so involved in

:43:02.:43:04.

bringing about many important changes that we have seen in the

:43:05.:43:09.

country and we can be very proud of him and we will miss him very much

:43:10.:43:15.

in the Assembly team. He understood himself he was in a battle with

:43:16.:43:20.

proceeds going down to only five and the obvious Sinn Fein surge and the

:43:21.:43:25.

polarised nature of this election but Alex has been a true and good

:43:26.:43:30.

servant to the people of this country for many years and the SDLP

:43:31.:43:33.

in terms of the Assembly team will miss him. I wonder what he will do?

:43:34.:43:40.

It is very tough somebody to find the door closed on a pretty

:43:41.:43:45.

successful career. He was the minister in the Executive and a

:43:46.:43:51.

significant backroom tactician. What does the future hold for somebody

:43:52.:43:58.

like him? It has just happened, he will have time to think about what

:43:59.:44:02.

he will do next and Alex was a fantastic minister and very

:44:03.:44:07.

important to us in the Assembly team, I relied very heavily on him

:44:08.:44:11.

and if you think back to the years of service he gave through very

:44:12.:44:16.

difficult times in that tough constituency, and he also was at the

:44:17.:44:19.

forefront of turning around the policing structures in the north to

:44:20.:44:24.

make it easier for people from my community to join the police or

:44:25.:44:27.

easier for us to see change in the policing service and he has done so

:44:28.:44:33.

many things to be proud of in his record of delivery for people across

:44:34.:44:37.

this country and he should be very proud of himself. If you are looking

:44:38.:44:42.

for shafts of light, not many for the SDLP at the moment, Joe Boyle in

:44:43.:44:47.

Strangford is still in the mix for that fifth seat? The best

:44:48.:44:51.

performance by a national list there. He was almost there last May,

:44:52.:44:57.

there has never been a nationalist member returned in that

:44:58.:45:00.

constituency. He might just be able to sneak in? Yes, go has had a poor

:45:01.:45:10.

-- a fantastic performance, and all of our candidates across the North

:45:11.:45:16.

have been putting up our votes and I have been in this game too long to

:45:17.:45:20.

make any predictions, we are in the hunt for a lot of those fifth seats.

:45:21.:45:25.

The public have voted, but let the counters do their job and we will

:45:26.:45:31.

not make any predictions! I have got that wrong before. Many of our

:45:32.:45:37.

people are in the hunt for those seats and it is clear this has been

:45:38.:45:42.

utterly polarising election and nationalists have been so angry and

:45:43.:45:46.

they have come out in big numbers and Sinn Fein have the beneficiary.

:45:47.:45:52.

Thank you for giving us your time. We will talk to you when you are

:45:53.:45:56.

returned later on in the day. Thank you. SDLP leader Colum Eastwood at

:45:57.:46:05.

the Foyle College. We can hear from Newton Emerson and Professor Rick

:46:06.:46:13.

Wilford. -- Foyle count. The mixed message across the board, the Ulster

:46:14.:46:21.

Unionists for the SDLP are squeezed, the Allianz seem pretty happy, you

:46:22.:46:25.

would wonder how all of those things are possible at the same time? --

:46:26.:46:31.

the Alliance Party. The combined nationalist vote over the last cycle

:46:32.:46:38.

has fallen and this time it has uplifted considerably and Sinn Fein

:46:39.:46:44.

by the net beneficiary. You might argue this is an indication of the

:46:45.:46:47.

decision to trigger the election by Martin McGuinness but you could

:46:48.:46:52.

argue that was because the Sinn Fein leadership were pretty slow

:46:53.:46:57.

learners, it took them a number of months to gauge the antipathy felt

:46:58.:47:03.

within heartland areas in terms of their general distaste with the way

:47:04.:47:08.

in which the last ten months had gone prior to this election. It

:47:09.:47:13.

looks to me like Sinn Fein proportionately, their vote is

:47:14.:47:17.

increased in terms of the relative number of seats they will win. The

:47:18.:47:22.

DUP have gone down a little and the bad news is for the Ulster Unionists

:47:23.:47:27.

and the SDLP, I am not sure they will reach double figures. That is

:47:28.:47:33.

bad news for Mike Nesbitt and Danny Kennedy, unsuccessful in Newry and

:47:34.:47:37.

Armagh, there is no obvious successor to Mike Nesbitt because he

:47:38.:47:42.

cannot survive that count of hit he might get from the voters. The

:47:43.:47:46.

Alliance vote has held up because they are much more transfer friendly

:47:47.:47:51.

compared to other parties. Mike Nesbitt, that strategy of voting for

:47:52.:47:59.

me has not worked. That has not chimed with the voters. The DUP

:48:00.:48:05.

played that old trick, if you don't want a Sinn Fein First Minister, you

:48:06.:48:10.

must back the DUP and it has worked again. They are safe in terms of

:48:11.:48:16.

getting beyond the 30 mark. I think they will sneak over that line.

:48:17.:48:22.

Just. Sinn Fein will be very close on their tail and not very far

:48:23.:48:28.

behind the 28 seats they had in me. It is obvious but in our model of

:48:29.:48:33.

devolution there is only room for three parties- unionist,

:48:34.:48:35.

nationalists and other and if devolution is going to come back

:48:36.:48:39.

under this model, which is dubious in the short term, the long-term

:48:40.:48:43.

lesson is that going into opposition was toxic for the UUP and the SDLP,

:48:44.:48:50.

they are about to be crushed out of existence and that three party era

:48:51.:48:56.

has arrived. West Tyrone, Thomas Buchanan of the DUP topping the poll

:48:57.:49:02.

with over 9000 first preferences and Michaella Boyle and Barry McElduff

:49:03.:49:05.

aren't Sinn Fein in second and third. That personifies this, these

:49:06.:49:13.

big beasts, Sinn Fein and the DUP, slugging thing site in West Tyrone

:49:14.:49:16.

and they are at the top of the leaderboard. The story of the

:49:17.:49:19.

election and the anger that Colum Eastwood referred to at Martina

:49:20.:49:23.

Anderson talked about in the nationalist community is what this

:49:24.:49:28.

mandate for Fein means? To go back into Stormont reject Stormont? This

:49:29.:49:34.

was a campaign fought on anger at Stormont politics. What is the Sinn

:49:35.:49:37.

Fein message to take from the voters? Stay away or go storming

:49:38.:49:45.

back in? I have not done countless doors and have spoken to thousands

:49:46.:49:50.

of people over the past number of weeks through talking to people on

:49:51.:49:55.

the phone and at the doorstep and there is a genuine hunger and thirst

:49:56.:50:00.

for a political institution that is based on equality and respect and

:50:01.:50:06.

integrity. Is that Stormont? That is Stormont. You think Sinn Fein voters

:50:07.:50:12.

want Stormont to work? Based on the principles of the Good Friday

:50:13.:50:17.

Agreement. Based on what people voted for. For instance, you cannot

:50:18.:50:21.

ignore this, in the middle of this election we had this tsunami of

:50:22.:50:26.

Brexit coming down the line and there was debate within

:50:27.:50:32.

republicanism about consent but as stated in the Good Friday Agreement,

:50:33.:50:37.

an international agreement, it was lodged at the United Nations, which

:50:38.:50:43.

Jeffrey left his party over, it stated that the constitutional

:50:44.:50:46.

position of the North would not change without the consent of the

:50:47.:50:50.

people. Not exactly, that Northern Ireland would cease to become of the

:50:51.:50:56.

UK and become part of Ireland. There is no legal breach of the agreement

:50:57.:51:00.

and if there is any political bridge, that is a political issue.

:51:01.:51:08.

It does not have to be... I sat on the constitutional committee in

:51:09.:51:15.

Brussels and we commissioned legal advice and searched... I read that

:51:16.:51:22.

advice. Not in relation to the Human Rights Act, entrance of this advice,

:51:23.:51:27.

the committee report states clearly that Brexit will require an

:51:28.:51:33.

alteration to the Good Friday Agreement. There are to be no

:51:34.:51:38.

alterations to the agreement without the consent of the people. In this

:51:39.:51:46.

60 page report, one unreferenced line mentions that as an aside. It

:51:47.:51:51.

is more than one mentioned, there is a paragraph. Here is the issue. We

:51:52.:51:58.

are where we are and there are elements of that which you do not

:51:59.:52:02.

like and we have to move forward and the Supreme Court has made its

:52:03.:52:05.

ruling in London and whether people like this or not, Brexit is

:52:06.:52:10.

happening. There might be flexibility on precisely what that

:52:11.:52:13.

means but nobody is realistically suggesting that this will not

:52:14.:52:18.

happen? There is a lot of goodwill in Europe for the case we have made

:52:19.:52:25.

for designated special status, there are 25 overseas territories in

:52:26.:52:28.

Europe who don't have the starters were looking for because that is

:52:29.:52:31.

something additional but there is political will and I have met with

:52:32.:52:39.

the negotiator, I am one of those negotiators in the parliament on

:52:40.:52:42.

Brexit, we have met with commissioners and talked to parties

:52:43.:52:46.

whose government is around the council table and we have talked to

:52:47.:52:51.

hundreds of MEPs and they are all willing to assist us. In not

:52:52.:52:56.

wrecking the peace process and having a hard border in the middle

:52:57.:53:01.

of Ireland. Don't make problems when do not exist. Where does that leave

:53:02.:53:08.

the DUP? I have not met anybody talking about the need for a hard

:53:09.:53:13.

border. If Martina is going to get what she is aiming for, some count

:53:14.:53:18.

of special arrangement, she is going to have to get the agreement of the

:53:19.:53:23.

DUP for that. And we don't have any government here, we don't have a

:53:24.:53:29.

chance of achieving any of the things that Martina is talking

:53:30.:53:34.

about. Because the decision will be made by James Brokenshire and his

:53:35.:53:39.

team? Exactly right, we have three weeks from this election, it looks

:53:40.:53:44.

like the DUP and Sinn Fein as the largest parties, the people voted

:53:45.:53:46.

for us to get back into government and the challenge is... This is why

:53:47.:53:52.

I think it is incredibly counter-productive for Sinn Fein to

:53:53.:53:57.

be talking about preconditions and red lines, the people have voted,

:53:58.:54:01.

they want a government formed and they wanted formed right now. Is the

:54:02.:54:08.

flexibility going to be there on the part of the DUP over the next few

:54:09.:54:13.

weeks to make this happen? Clearly you will have a mandate but

:54:14.:54:18.

Martina's party will also have a real, fresh mandate for people who

:54:19.:54:21.

took the time to vote in considerable numbers? And we respect

:54:22.:54:26.

that mandate and we ask that Sinn Fein respect the DUP mandate. What

:54:27.:54:32.

people voted for with the DUP is something different to people who

:54:33.:54:37.

voted for Sinn Fein and we have to agree a programme for government and

:54:38.:54:42.

get the budget agreed and move forward. I am saying that we can

:54:43.:54:46.

only do that with the government, we have three weeks to form a

:54:47.:54:49.

government and the DUP is ready to do that. We are not setting

:54:50.:54:55.

preconditions or any red lines, get the government running and deal with

:54:56.:55:00.

these issues, including how we handle the question of Brexit. I

:55:01.:55:04.

want to let people know that Carla Lockhart topped the poll in Upper

:55:05.:55:07.

Bann. We have some pictures of her at the count centre. Professionally,

:55:08.:55:14.

you spend a lot of time looking at this. How do you square that circle?

:55:15.:55:20.

It seems that there is not a lot of common ground between Martina and

:55:21.:55:25.

Jeffrey on this subject? Big picture politics but this will influence

:55:26.:55:31.

what happens in the coming months? And on Brexit, squaring the circle

:55:32.:55:35.

will be difficult. The default position is that Sinn Fein will rely

:55:36.:55:39.

on primarily the Irish government and other friendly voices in the EU

:55:40.:55:44.

and Jeffrey Donaldson must be prepared to rely on the proxy of

:55:45.:55:51.

James Brokenshire to conduct Brexit negotiations for us. Jeffrey says

:55:52.:55:54.

there is no red line but there is one. You will not let Sinn Fein

:55:55.:56:00.

determine who will be First Minister if the DUP emerges as the single

:56:01.:56:04.

largest party. Sinn Fein say it cannot be Arlene Foster until a

:56:05.:56:09.

report exonerates her and that could take another year. In the interim,

:56:10.:56:14.

the risk is that on Brexit in particular and closer to home, the

:56:15.:56:18.

absence of any budget or a programme for government, we will have to rely

:56:19.:56:25.

on others to act on our behalf. In a part of the UK which is deeply

:56:26.:56:29.

divided over the issue of Brexit. I cannot see at the moment, given the

:56:30.:56:36.

clear antipathy is between Sinn Fein and the DUP that we will see any

:56:37.:56:39.

Executive in the next few weeks. What might happen is it might be

:56:40.:56:46.

like the wake of the 2003 election with the transition Assembly, bodies

:56:47.:56:54.

being given work to do to prepare for government and agree a

:56:55.:56:57.

programme, I can see the Assembly sitting but I cannot see at the

:56:58.:57:05.

moment there being any Executive. Plus OFMDFM. That comes back to the

:57:06.:57:10.

point that Newton Emerson made, what is Sinn Fein going to do? Where do

:57:11.:57:17.

they think the most political leverage they can exercise is, this

:57:18.:57:24.

is an existential issue, Brexit, and on this island. Where are they going

:57:25.:57:31.

to have any agreed plan from where our own Executive is about the

:57:32.:57:36.

Brexit position is going to be? We must rely on proxy.

:57:37.:57:40.

We can continue that conversation in due course. I want to give you all

:57:41.:57:46.

an update on numbers. I mentioned that car la Lockhart topped the poll

:57:47.:57:51.

in Upper Bann. Doug Beattie outpolled Joanne Dobson, that's not

:57:52.:57:58.

what happened last May. The raw figures, Doug Beattie 5467. Joanne

:57:59.:58:04.

Dobson 5132. Then Dolores Kelly. It's interesting down there. People

:58:05.:58:11.

thought based on last May Doug Beattie could be in trouble. Fill

:58:12.:58:19.

Lib Mc Guigan of Sinn Fein is not elected yet but probably will be

:58:20.:58:27.

soon. We have got... Deputy leader of Sinn Fein arriving at the Belfast

:58:28.:58:33.

count centre. There she is. Being embraced by party workers. There is

:58:34.:58:38.

Pat Sheehan. Alex Maskey, who else, Gerry Kelly there, as well. Fra

:58:39.:58:45.

McCann. Getting a warm welcome. A short time ago in Belfast at the

:58:46.:58:51.

Titanic Exhibition Centre our reporter spoke to people before -

:58:52.:58:56.

spoke to People Before Profit Gerry Carroll and asked if Sinn Fein had

:58:57.:59:01.

taken the wind out of their sails. As the campaign went on it didn't

:59:02.:59:08.

really feel - it felt more like the last stand, the establishment

:59:09.:59:10.

parties in West Belfast threw a hell of a lot of resources against People

:59:11.:59:18.

Before Profit and they misrepresented our critique and

:59:19.:59:21.

tried to put us in a box with the DUP, which is ironic because they

:59:22.:59:24.

were in power with the DUP for ten years. I think also there is an

:59:25.:59:30.

element of people thinking the best way to stand against Arlene Foster

:59:31.:59:35.

and her arrogance and her refusal to support equal marriage, there was an

:59:36.:59:38.

idea that people thought initially the best way was to vote Sinn Fein.

:59:39.:59:43.

But the question for Sinn Fein now is are they going to go into a

:59:44.:59:53.

Government without... Were they trying to steal your... They were

:59:54.:59:57.

talking about equality, our politics is red, our material is red, there

:59:58.:00:01.

was an element of that. It's worth saying that Sinn Fein in terms of

:00:02.:00:05.

RHI had their hands all over it. They were very late in the day to

:00:06.:00:09.

have any action and to call action and to do something concrete about

:00:10.:00:14.

RHI. I felt pressure on parties like People Before Profit in West Belfast

:00:15.:00:19.

and Derry. To what extent did your stand on Brexit have an impact? I

:00:20.:00:24.

think it had an impact because like I said it was all over West Belfast,

:00:25.:00:29.

there was posters put up misrepresenting People Before

:00:30.:00:31.

Profit's left-wing socialist critique of the EU, there were

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posters put up saying hard border wraut to you by People Before

:00:37.:00:39.

Profit, it's worth saying nobody is calling for a hard border.

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That was Gerry Carroll talking to our reporter David Maxwell at the

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Titanic Exhibition Centre. He didn't do as well this time as last May.

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Although he should, it looks like he should keep his seat. Let's hear

:00:55.:00:59.

more from the panel. Martina, Rick was putting forward a question to

:01:00.:01:04.

you, which is what precisely does Sinn Fein do next? You have raised

:01:05.:01:07.

your concerns, raised the issues, Jeffrey has talked about them, as

:01:08.:01:11.

well, we heard from Newton and from Rick. But what happens next? When

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you are faced with a possibility of either making Stormont work again or

:01:15.:01:20.

direct rule, which do you go for? Well, it's obviously about making

:01:21.:01:25.

Stormont work, based on the principles of equality, respect and

:01:26.:01:31.

integrity. I don't know what Jeffrey finds offensive about any of those

:01:32.:01:34.

words. I would actually conclude, dare I speak for the DUP voters, I

:01:35.:01:38.

wouldn't attempt to do that, we actually do respect the fact that

:01:39.:01:43.

you have got a mandate, but I do believe that for the few unionists

:01:44.:01:49.

that I have spoken to, I have heard comments made to me personally and

:01:50.:01:57.

on programmes that people found Arlene Foster's arrogance as

:01:58.:02:01.

offensive in that community as it was deeply offensive in my own. With

:02:02.:02:06.

respect, republicans don't have a monopoly on respect. Absolutely. And

:02:07.:02:09.

equality and integrity. Those are words. God bless us, we want...

:02:10.:02:14.

Sure, we want everyone, we would love everyone to use them, if

:02:15.:02:17.

everyone would use them and we would all start to apply them. It's

:02:18.:02:20.

practising them that counts. Exactly. The Good Friday Agreement

:02:21.:02:25.

promised 20 years ago a bill of rights for people in your community

:02:26.:02:29.

that would be able to have rights in addition to the European convention

:02:30.:02:33.

of human rights. What's offensive about that, Jeffrey? That's about

:02:34.:02:38.

your constituency and my constituency and all of the people

:02:39.:02:42.

benefitting regardless of what political party they vote for or

:02:43.:02:49.

what tradition they come from. Is that not an oversimplification of

:02:50.:02:52.

it? It's not. There is no such things for rights for one

:02:53.:02:55.

constituency. Of course it is. I am not going to repeat and get into the

:02:56.:03:01.

whataboutery, I could go on all day about Sinn Fein's lack of respect

:03:02.:03:05.

for Northern Ireland's identity, for the British identity of the unionist

:03:06.:03:11.

community. You know, but let's look ahead. Our colleagues here have made

:03:12.:03:20.

some very I think important points. The greatest issue here is where is

:03:21.:03:23.

Northern Ireland going in the wake of Brexit, in the wake of all of the

:03:24.:03:26.

big things that are happening out in the world? Northern Ireland is not

:03:27.:03:29.

immune from what's happening in the wider world. We need a Government to

:03:30.:03:34.

sort that out. Do you want to work together, can Sinn Fein and the DUP

:03:35.:03:37.

work together on a common goal of avoiding direct rule? I suppose

:03:38.:03:40.

that's the question people would like an answer to. It's a question

:03:41.:03:44.

we want an answer to. Let me be clear, I can only speak for the DUP.

:03:45.:03:50.

You are part of this conversation. I am going to speak... Absolutely, I

:03:51.:03:54.

am going to speak for the DUP. We want this to work. We are up for it.

:03:55.:03:59.

We stand ready. We will be at the door of Stormont on Monday ready

:04:00.:04:02.

within the next three weeks to form a Government. We will not be setting

:04:03.:04:06.

preconditions. We want to get, because we believe that you have to

:04:07.:04:10.

be in the Government to take the decisions to enable Northern Ireland

:04:11.:04:13.

to move forward. Now the question for Sinn Fein is will they be there,

:04:14.:04:17.

are they ready to be in Government? Are they prepared to take that step?

:04:18.:04:23.

OK. Newton, quick thought? The red line on the First Minister does

:04:24.:04:26.

appear to be the only red line Sinn Fein has drawn, does appear to be a

:04:27.:04:30.

stalling motion for at least six months to a year, presumably to see

:04:31.:04:34.

how Brexit works out, it appears so obvious that Gerry Adams is kicking

:04:35.:04:38.

the ball up in the air to see where it lands. I agree, I think we will

:04:39.:04:43.

get an Assembly all right, we won't get an Executive. If Brokenshire

:04:44.:04:48.

takes over what kind of direct rule are we going to get? Is it going to

:04:49.:04:56.

be a hard Brexit approach or not? What would it take to lever Sinn

:04:57.:05:02.

Fein into an Executive if the DUP then insist as they - would be

:05:03.:05:06.

appropriate for them to do, to insist that Arlene Foster is their

:05:07.:05:10.

nominee for First Minister. We will give people time to think about

:05:11.:05:12.

that. We will leave that question hanging in the air and come back and

:05:13.:05:16.

hear what people think about it. I want to go back to Tara. We have

:05:17.:05:22.

been on air, I thought it was three hours, it's a couple of hours on

:05:23.:05:29.

air. We have a few results. . How would sum up the mood where you are

:05:30.:05:35.

at the Titanic Exhibition Centre? Lots of issues to discuss. Mary Lou

:05:36.:05:40.

McDonald just arrived to a rapturous welcome as you saw earlier on. Let's

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talk about some stories now with Chris Donnelly, political

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commentator and Michael Mc Gipsey. You would be best known as health

:05:53.:05:54.

Minister. What's the story today, can you give a sense of what numbers

:05:55.:05:58.

you think it's going to be, do you think around ten? I think it's very

:05:59.:06:04.

hard to tell. We have a long way to go. It's fair to say we haven't done

:06:05.:06:08.

as well as we had hoped and there would be a measure of disappointment

:06:09.:06:13.

in the number. I think probably ten is on the low side. Ten to 12, but

:06:14.:06:17.

it's not the breakthrough we were hoping for. I have to be honest and

:06:18.:06:21.

admit that. What do you think that is down to? Well, I think we got

:06:22.:06:27.

caught between the two big parties. It's like a tribal vote. A tribal

:06:28.:06:35.

class. Sinn Fein galvanised their vote and at the same time the DUP to

:06:36.:06:38.

an extent got their vote out, as well. There is very little room left

:06:39.:06:42.

for manoeuvre for ourselves and the SDLP. Was it down to Mike's comments

:06:43.:06:47.

about transferring to the SDLP? I think there is a lot more to it than

:06:48.:06:50.

that. Certainly if you want to win elections and do well you have to

:06:51.:06:53.

have a clear message, you have to sell that message with sincerity and

:06:54.:06:58.

you must not make mistakes. I think we would look at that and in terms

:06:59.:07:02.

of our organisation and in terms of the way we go forward perhaps there

:07:03.:07:07.

are lessons to be learned. I think it's early days yet. There will be a

:07:08.:07:12.

few surprises left in this count before it's all over. If it is

:07:13.:07:16.

around ten or 11 do you think Mike's leadership is in question? I think

:07:17.:07:20.

the fact is we are a Democratic Party. We have an election for

:07:21.:07:26.

leader every year. Our AGM is at the end of March so you will not have

:07:27.:07:30.

long to wait to get the answer to that question. You have to say who

:07:31.:07:36.

else is standing in the wings looking to carry the gauntlet, carry

:07:37.:07:41.

the torch? I would have thought that - I would be surprised if we saw a

:07:42.:07:47.

challenge to Mike's leadership at the current moment and time. When

:07:48.:07:53.

you are looking at our performance at council and at Westminster, we

:07:54.:07:57.

have a very big membership, it hasn't worked on this occasion,

:07:58.:08:02.

perhaps the way we wanted it to. We will look at that and we will look

:08:03.:08:05.

at how we could have done things better. Really in this election this

:08:06.:08:09.

was the time you should have been able to capitalise on the anger that

:08:10.:08:13.

people feet about RHI. They should have been switching to the Ulster

:08:14.:08:16.

Unionist party, but in some cases it looks as if they were switching to

:08:17.:08:24.

the Alliance Party. I think that's certainly in Belfast, that appears

:08:25.:08:27.

to be the case. At the same time we have done well in North Down and in

:08:28.:08:33.

East Belfast. It looks like it was a swing to Alliance Party in

:08:34.:08:38.

Strangford. In Strangford, they have one MLA. In Strangford, so it's by

:08:39.:08:43.

no means the breakthrough, they already had an MLA. Although the

:08:44.:08:47.

vote increased and she outpolled Mike Nesbitt who topped the poll

:08:48.:08:51.

last time. That's true, but it didn't affect the seats. We have to

:08:52.:08:55.

wait and look at how we do overall. We will be looking carefully at all

:08:56.:09:00.

of those seats, and those constituencies where the DUP hold

:09:01.:09:05.

three seats and how well those three seats or DUP constituencies will

:09:06.:09:09.

survive and we will look at it again, coming from 108 to 90 is

:09:10.:09:14.

always difficult, the quota going up to over 7,000, it's difficult for

:09:15.:09:19.

us. We will analyse it better once we get the full result. Chris, a

:09:20.:09:24.

quick word on the nationalist story. Obviously, big gains for Sinn Fein,

:09:25.:09:27.

they've got the vote out, they've done well. Some could argue it

:09:28.:09:30.

wasn't that difficult given some ammunition they were given from the

:09:31.:09:33.

other side. Yes, I think that's true, Tara. The main story of this

:09:34.:09:38.

election is the reawakening of nationalism from a slumber which had

:09:39.:09:41.

been a theme over the last four or five elections. Just thinking last

:09:42.:09:46.

year, the 2016 election, the nationalist party, Sinn Fein, the

:09:47.:09:51.

SDLP, only managed to Garner 36% of the vote between them. There are -

:09:52.:09:55.

overall share of seats fell to 40. Sinn Fein are on course to perhaps

:09:56.:10:00.

at the minimum get 26 seats now, they could even match the 28 seats

:10:01.:10:04.

they had in the Assembly chamber last year when there was 108 seats

:10:05.:10:09.

overall. Right across the north we are seeing nationalists coming out

:10:10.:10:13.

and crucially in a number of constituencies the turnout with

:10:14.:10:15.

nationalism and unionism is such that the likes of Newry and Armagh,

:10:16.:10:25.

west Tyrone, Mid Ulster, and even in North Belfast which is in a

:10:26.:10:27.

psychologically sense a significant development there could be three

:10:28.:10:29.

nationalists and two unionists elected. We will hear more from you

:10:30.:10:33.

later. For now, Michael and Chris, thank you very much.

:10:34.:10:39.

Thank you very much. Interesting battle is developing in East

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Londonderry. I am pleased to say we are joined about by the independent

:10:45.:10:50.

candidate Clare Sugden. Nobody returned as yet but you have a

:10:51.:10:55.

decent vote just under 5,000 first preferences, you are in 4th place in

:10:56.:10:59.

a five-seater at the moment. Are you quietly confident?

:11:00.:11:04.

Yes, I am quietly confident, increasing my vote by over 1,500

:11:05.:11:10.

votes as of last year. So delighted with the turn out and the people

:11:11.:11:13.

that came out to vote for me yesterday.

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Talk me through the numbers, Keith arch I bald, 5800, and then the

:11:21.:11:25.

second Sinn Fein candidate and yourself and George Robinson and

:11:26.:11:29.

Caral Ni Chuilin of the DUP, does it look like the DUP will lose a seat

:11:30.:11:35.

and the SDLP will lose a seat as there was a split there? No.

:11:36.:11:40.

Certainly I think that the third DUP seed is vulnerable, as is the SDLP

:11:41.:11:45.

seat. We are in a position where there will be transfers before

:11:46.:11:50.

anyone is elected. I am transfer friendly, being independent so I

:11:51.:11:55.

hope to put up my numbers up to get to the quota, hopefully today but

:11:56.:12:01.

maybe Saturday. There is a changing representation in East Londonderry,

:12:02.:12:04.

with the turnout, I'm delighted to see so many voting. The people have

:12:05.:12:08.

spoken and when the political parties are negotiating post

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election, I hope that they take it into account.

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Turnout in the constituency is up 11.9 percentage points. And broadly

:12:19.:12:22.

in line with what is happening elsewhere. Claire, transfers, you

:12:23.:12:31.

are hoping to pick up transfers, maybe even from Gerry mull yen,

:12:32.:12:38.

former SDLP, now Independent, so you should hoover up. I wonder what your

:12:39.:12:42.

reading is across Northern Ireland, though? It looks like the DUP has

:12:43.:12:47.

done well. Like Sinn Fein has done very well it looks like Alliance has

:12:48.:12:55.

held on. The opposite ends of the spectrum doing well, the middle

:12:56.:12:59.

ground doing well but a squeeze on the Ulster Unionist Party and the

:13:00.:13:04.

SDLP? I'm not surprised. It is all very well, saying we must change the

:13:05.:13:08.

status quo but there must be an alternative. The SDLP and the Ulster

:13:09.:13:15.

Unionist Party have been jumping on the coat tails of the RHI scandal.

:13:16.:13:20.

Not taking leadership. It disheartens me as well.

:13:21.:13:26.

I would be a moderate candidate. I would like to see progressive

:13:27.:13:29.

politics moving forward. Hopefully there can be a solution to get back

:13:30.:13:32.

up and running. OK. We will see. Those are the

:13:33.:13:38.

numbers for a while today and maybe tomorrow.

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Claire Sugden joining us there from the Foyle arena in Derry.

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Now to the Aaura Leisure Centre in Bangor.

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And Steven Warren has a guest. The only Ulster Unionist Party with a

:13:57.:13:59.

success so far is that right? That's right.

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There is a successful candidate with me, Alan Sheamus, congratulations.

:14:08.:14:10.

The sole Ulster Unionist Party in Northern Ireland going to the

:14:11.:14:14.

Assembly. How does it feel? A huge responsibility. But I'm up for it.

:14:15.:14:19.

A bad day for the party? Well it is not looking good in some areas at

:14:20.:14:23.

the moment. But with the way that PR elections have gone, I've been

:14:24.:14:28.

around elections in Northern Ireland for 25 years, I've seen people

:14:29.:14:33.

salvage seats in the last-minute in the last count. So imoptimistic.

:14:34.:14:39.

Your party could be down to single figures? It's been put forward but

:14:40.:14:44.

the sad thing is that some of the people we may lose them but I hope

:14:45.:14:50.

not. They are good people. I'ved worked with them in Stormont. They

:14:51.:14:53.

are making a contribution to Northern Ireland.

:14:54.:14:58.

It would be sad to lose them. Why couldn't you make a break

:14:59.:15:01.

through? We hope that Northern Ireland will have elections on bread

:15:02.:15:06.

and butter issues but it keeps getting caught back to the orange

:15:07.:15:09.

and green election it is really very sad. You wonder when will we ever

:15:10.:15:15.

have normal politics? What about the comments to the vote transfers? The

:15:16.:15:22.

comments resonated positively for me as can be seen from my personal

:15:23.:15:26.

vote. It went up from 3,000 to almost 7,000.

:15:27.:15:30.

But it is not the same story in Strangford? I'm not so sure. But we

:15:31.:15:36.

will wait and see at the final count. I don't see the difference in

:15:37.:15:43.

Strangford until it was in May? Confident of the leader. I am.

:15:44.:15:47.

Thank you very much. Back to Belfast.

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Stephen, thank you very much. Let's get another story from one of our

:15:52.:16:00.

correspondents, Julian Fowler is giving us the story at Fermanagh

:16:01.:16:05.

South Tyrone. Arlene Foster top the poll but not

:16:06.:16:12.

elected yet? No. A different to last year, Arlene Foster polled 8101

:16:13.:16:19.

votes. But this time the quota increased with the higher turnout.

:16:20.:16:25.

It would have been enough to get her elected but she polled 8479 first

:16:26.:16:35.

preference votes, leaving her 232 votes short of the quota. Her

:16:36.:16:40.

running mate has increased his vote on the last time. In real terms, the

:16:41.:16:46.

DUP vote is slightly up on last year. The other interesting story

:16:47.:16:52.

here is in the Sinn Fein vote. No surprise Michelle Gildernew is the

:16:53.:16:56.

top of the three candidates there but in second place for Sinn Fein is

:16:57.:17:04.

the new young candidate, Gemma Dolan, 1,500 votes ahead of Shaun

:17:05.:17:12.

Lynch outgoing from the MLA. We have been talking about the Ulster

:17:13.:17:17.

Unionist Party lagging behind and rosemary Barton is 200 votes behind

:17:18.:17:22.

Shaun Lynch. But looking at the transfers and it came down to that

:17:23.:17:27.

the last time, she could pick up from the Air lines and the SDLP and

:17:28.:17:32.

she does have the fifth seat in her sights. So don't write off the

:17:33.:17:40.

Ulster Unionist Party yet. So, a lot of big names chasing the

:17:41.:17:46.

five seats down there. Big name casualties but let's drill

:17:47.:17:50.

to the numbers. So many numbers, not enough time. Before we get on to a

:17:51.:17:56.

couple of constituencies and do the number drilling, a word about the

:17:57.:17:59.

overall picture here. We have been hearing about

:18:00.:18:05.

Fermanagh, a constituency where it looks like the Ulster Unionist Party

:18:06.:18:09.

and the SDLP could take a hit. It is the picture of the election. In

:18:10.:18:13.

terms of the strength of the party groups, how is that looking? The DUP

:18:14.:18:22.

have a maximum of 32 seats to win, the Ulster Unionists, a maximum of

:18:23.:18:28.

11. Throwing in Claire Sugden, that adds up to 45. That is half of the

:18:29.:18:33.

seats in the Assembly. Some of the seats are marginal. So we can

:18:34.:18:37.

definitely say that there will not be as many as 45 unionists in the

:18:38.:18:45.

new assembly. Maybe 44 or 43. That is a contrast to the old

:18:46.:18:49.

assembly where 52% were unionists? That's right.

:18:50.:18:58.

56 out of 108. To 44. And the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist

:18:59.:19:03.

Party could shrink? They are going down badly. The Ulster Unionists

:19:04.:19:09.

could go down to eight. The SDLP could go down to six. An awful

:19:10.:19:14.

decline from where they were. We heard about West Belfast, where

:19:15.:19:19.

Alex Howard has been eliminated now to Newry Armagh. There is a

:19:20.:19:22.

veteran of Northern Ireland politics who may be in trouble. William Irwin

:19:23.:19:29.

of the DUP came up. And Boylan as we can see. Here is

:19:30.:19:34.

the share of the vote. Sinn Fein is dominant in the constituency. Let's

:19:35.:19:38.

have a look at how it worked out. There were fears on the part of Sinn

:19:39.:19:43.

Fein that they might lose the third seat but not on that 7% rise.

:19:44.:19:52.

No. Sinn Fein was vulnerable earlier but it has stayed the same if not

:19:53.:19:57.

increased. And firstly, let's have a look a the

:19:58.:20:03.

swing between Sinn Fein and the SDLP, Sinn Fein putting on 4.5%age

:20:04.:20:08.

points. Let's have a look at the personalities. Cathal OhOisin and

:20:09.:20:15.

Megan Fearon, they are keeping their noses ahead of Danny Kennedy. Is he

:20:16.:20:21.

in trouble? Worse so. I don't think he will be elected. 600 transfers

:20:22.:20:28.

coming from surplus. No unionist transfers coming to take Danny

:20:29.:20:33.

Kennedy to take him to less than half the distance. I don't think he

:20:34.:20:42.

will keep a seat. He was saying there are just not the

:20:43.:20:48.

votes for him? Yes. Now, South Down. Some extraordinary

:20:49.:20:55.

individual performances, especially from Sinead Ennis. But Sinn Fein, we

:20:56.:21:02.

can see there, oops, we have shifted through. Sinn Fein putting on more

:21:03.:21:11.

than 7.5%. And this is an in area that was historic SDLP stronghold?

:21:12.:21:15.

Yes, and Sinn Fein is now in the lead.

:21:16.:21:19.

And a quick look at the swing. There is Sinn Fein, 7% swing. That is

:21:20.:21:25.

remarkable. Margaret Richie is in trouble? She

:21:26.:21:31.

may have to rely on the unionist voting? That is the case.

:21:32.:21:38.

And if we look at who could lose out, and pointing out that Sinead

:21:39.:21:48.

Ennis is well connected. And Jim Wells is looking well.

:21:49.:21:54.

Are they safe, or is there a way that Patrick Brown could make a

:21:55.:21:58.

break for the Alliance? It is possible. Looking at where the votes

:21:59.:22:05.

are going to go, 4,000 could go to Jim Wells.

:22:06.:22:10.

There could be 3500 transfer votes to Jim Wells, which it depends on

:22:11.:22:16.

whether or not they follow Mike Nesbitt's advice and transfer to the

:22:17.:22:22.

SDLP or the Alliance. It could be tight for them for the final seat.

:22:23.:22:29.

And Carroll McKee, he will not have a seat for very long. It looks like

:22:30.:22:35.

he is well and truly out. An interesting situation.

:22:36.:22:39.

There have been surprises. I suspect that throughout the rest of the

:22:40.:22:42.

today, tonight and tomorrow there will be a few more as well. Martina,

:22:43.:22:48.

Jeffrey, Newton and are Rick are with me. We were looking at

:22:49.:22:54.

the numbers, having a conversation. Gives your thoughts on where you

:22:55.:22:59.

think we are now after a few hours of detailed results coming in? The

:23:00.:23:03.

story of the election is the huge rise in the Sinn Fein vote a small

:23:04.:23:10.

rise in the DUP vote and the centre degree is fated parties being

:23:11.:23:17.

crushed. The story being missed is Allianced a the Greens having a

:23:18.:23:23.

large rise. The Alliance up 4%. It fits in with the model. The future

:23:24.:23:28.

at Stormont is a three party system, unionists, nationalists and other.

:23:29.:23:34.

That is the only space that is left. Pictures of Alex Attwood coming into

:23:35.:23:46.

the Titanic Exhibition Centre. And it doesn't matter who or how

:23:47.:23:50.

important you are, you have to get a wrist band. Alex Attwood will be

:23:51.:23:56.

disappointed. If you are joining us he lost his seat in West Belfast, he

:23:57.:24:05.

has been an SDLP, MLA there since 1998. He will be gutted.

:24:06.:24:10.

He will. But a question mark as to who would survive. The story is what

:24:11.:24:16.

has opposition gained the SDLP? They have not had much time to develop

:24:17.:24:23.

but they have been destroyed. Claire Sugden has risen her votes,

:24:24.:24:30.

becoming the only successful independent MLA, elected because of

:24:31.:24:35.

personal appeal. Doing it by being transfer friendly and also by going

:24:36.:24:39.

on to the executive. She went into office, that is how she grew her

:24:40.:24:43.

professional. Operation risky but it paid off? It

:24:44.:24:47.

worked and proved that opposition in our system does not work.

:24:48.:24:55.

And a quick word, Nicola Manageon from the SDLP there giving moral

:24:56.:25:00.

support to Alex, Jeffrey, how do you feel looking at the pictures? You

:25:01.:25:06.

will know Alex well. You can't be involved in politics foe in Northern

:25:07.:25:10.

Ireland for 20-plus years without having fairly close relationships

:25:11.:25:13.

with people. Do you feel sorry for him on a day like today? I do. Alex

:25:14.:25:19.

is a decent colleague, one of the most decent I have worked with over

:25:20.:25:23.

the years. We have shared many experiences in political terms. My

:25:24.:25:27.

heart goes out to all of the candidates who are feeling as Alex

:25:28.:25:31.

does. Alex has been around a long time in a major contribution to the

:25:32.:25:36.

political negotiations and the peace process.

:25:37.:25:40.

You know, it must be really tough to take that walk that he's taking now.

:25:41.:25:44.

Yes, because there is no question about it, we were saying earlier, it

:25:45.:25:49.

will be interesting to see when Alex Attwood appears, if so, what he will

:25:50.:25:54.

say but there is a huge media interest in him being there. It

:25:55.:25:59.

takes guts to do what he is doing in the full glare of the public? Yes. I

:26:00.:26:06.

think that any candidate and let's face it, there will be 18 MLAs that

:26:07.:26:13.

will be subjected to that scrutiny, and human beings being what we are,

:26:14.:26:19.

you know, we would all feel that for any individual. I certainly feel it

:26:20.:26:24.

for Alex and for any... On a personal level are you happy to see

:26:25.:26:30.

the SDLP wiped out in we have Belfast by your party? What I am

:26:31.:26:37.

happy about in West Belfast, we look like we are getting four Sinn Fein

:26:38.:26:44.

MLAs. That is important. I would say as an observer, and it is not

:26:45.:26:49.

something that the SDLP will listen to what I would say but I would

:26:50.:26:55.

detect that there is a lot of negativity that sounds the

:26:56.:27:00.

commentary of the SDLP. It doesn't sit well within our constituency. I

:27:01.:27:04.

think, you know, there are a number... Negative commentary from

:27:05.:27:11.

where? From individuals, within the SDLP, that the focus, the attack is

:27:12.:27:16.

on Sinn Fein. Well, they are political opponents?

:27:17.:27:20.

Of course, we have broad shoulders and can take it but being in

:27:21.:27:26.

opposition, I don't think listening to Sorcha Eastwood, there today, I

:27:27.:27:30.

found him subdued, I think we have to listen to the mood of the people.

:27:31.:27:34.

There are things where we have common ground and there are issues

:27:35.:27:37.

we could engage. It is easy to say that after the

:27:38.:27:41.

election, you would not say that a week ago? We are trying to get the

:27:42.:27:48.

SDLP not to support this going through... Let's not go back.

:27:49.:27:57.

To be honest, with all due respect to you all, sometimes you are

:27:58.:28:05.

attacking, you are who you are. That's like a get out of trouble,

:28:06.:28:10.

let's not face the reality charge. We have to deal with the things that

:28:11.:28:16.

impact on our constituents. That was my point. Rick, you know Alex well.

:28:17.:28:22.

How will he be feeling? He is a gentleman. I'm sure his departure

:28:23.:28:25.

will mark the character of the moment. It will be a graceful

:28:26.:28:30.

departure, you will be graceful leaving the stage. Yes, one can't

:28:31.:28:34.

help but feel something for him. I would like to come back to the point

:28:35.:28:39.

made earlier about opposition and whether it's a vindication to go

:28:40.:28:45.

into the executive, where is the Ulster Unionists and SDLP chose to

:28:46.:28:50.

go into opposition. Strategically, in a sense, it wasn't necessarily a

:28:51.:28:55.

mistake. I think the mistake was, you have to you will burn in. So

:28:56.:29:02.

what the SDLP failed to do, I think, is articulate a coherent opposition

:29:03.:29:07.

programme. I don't think they ever got that together. Certainly when

:29:08.:29:11.

Mike said, vote for me and get Colin and so on, that was met not only

:29:12.:29:18.

with antipathy among his own party, I think the initial response from

:29:19.:29:25.

the SDLP was rather less fulsome. The logic of that announcement was,

:29:26.:29:29.

both those parties effectively become a split Alliance party. We

:29:30.:29:40.

have just a confirmation that in Newry and Armagh the SDLP have an

:29:41.:29:50.

MLA returned at this stage. What the election has done in terms of Sinn

:29:51.:29:54.

Fein, it's reverse a trend in terms of the downward share of the

:29:55.:29:59.

nationalist vote. The SDLP is continuing a serial decline. I think

:30:00.:30:03.

for the SDLP it's a really existential moment. What do they do

:30:04.:30:07.

now? They could be less than double figures. The irony is, when you look

:30:08.:30:12.

at the coverage after the BBC lead a debate on Tuesday, just about

:30:13.:30:15.

everybody I saw on Twitter and social media and in the newspapers

:30:16.:30:20.

said that very possibly Colin eastward was... It proves the total

:30:21.:30:29.

irrelevance of social media. Also the newspapers, established

:30:30.:30:31.

newspapers, where saying the same thing. He wanted debate, but the

:30:32.:30:39.

debate itself will not influence a significant number of voters. People

:30:40.:30:41.

cheer on their own side in those debates and that's the extent of it.

:30:42.:30:47.

If you look at the polling after the leaders debates, and look at the

:30:48.:30:50.

actual results, and we now have the first preference results all in. The

:30:51.:30:56.

DUP is the largest party followed closely, and it's very tight,

:30:57.:30:59.

followed closely by Sinn Fein. That could be significant. The fact that

:31:00.:31:06.

DUP have edged ahead on first preference votes could be

:31:07.:31:09.

significant when it comes to the final seat tally. Just to make the

:31:10.:31:13.

point, the results, the actual voting results are the mirror

:31:14.:31:18.

opposite of the polling after the Leaders' Debate. It goes to show

:31:19.:31:21.

that in the end people vote for parties. That's what's been

:31:22.:31:27.

happening here. The DUP, and I'm bound to say to the voters out

:31:28.:31:32.

there, thank you for sticking with the DUP in what were very difficult

:31:33.:31:36.

circumstances and returning us as the largest party in vote terms.

:31:37.:31:41.

That's a remarkable achievement. I want to break in. It almost sounded

:31:42.:31:49.

like a party election broadcast even know the election is over. Speaking

:31:50.:31:53.

to Steven Agnew, the Green party leader at North Down in his count at

:31:54.:31:57.

the aurora leisure Centre. I think you are still in the hunt, hopefully

:31:58.:32:01.

you will get the fifth seat. But it's tight. No, it's not tight in

:32:02.:32:07.

North Down, there is a huge gap between myself, over 5000 votes, and

:32:08.:32:13.

the sixth candidate who is on just over 1000. It's fairly comfortable

:32:14.:32:18.

but it could still be a long wait thanks to the vagaries of STV. Four

:32:19.:32:26.

people already returned. Looking for the fifth seat, you are streets

:32:27.:32:30.

ahead of everyone else. Are you hoping to pick up transfers from

:32:31.:32:33.

people as they are eliminated. You might be returned under the quota,

:32:34.:32:37.

that's possible, but whatever happens, it will take time. I will

:32:38.:32:43.

achieve the quota again. I'm confident of that, I'm looking at

:32:44.:32:46.

the parties that will be eliminated and votes will come my way. It's a

:32:47.:32:52.

matter of when rather than if. I'm pleased that in North Down our vote

:32:53.:32:58.

is up approximately 25%. It's been a very good election here. We had a

:32:59.:33:04.

bit of a situation whereby the DUP stud two instead of three, almost

:33:05.:33:08.

accepting they would be the party to lose the sixth seat, and the rest of

:33:09.:33:14.

us would remain as we were. It was almost a case of, who would get

:33:15.:33:18.

elected where rather than who would get elected. The ranking doesn't

:33:19.:33:22.

really matter at the end of the day from your point of view, as long as

:33:23.:33:26.

you are one of the five, that's all that matters. Thank you to Steven

:33:27.:33:31.

Agnew. We will keep a close eye on it, and we will chat when there is

:33:32.:33:34.

some movement and the numbers become clear. We can go back to the Titanic

:33:35.:33:39.

exhibition Centre, joined by the man of the moment Alex Attwood. I'm sure

:33:40.:33:51.

you are disappointed, but put into words what you feel about it. I'm

:33:52.:33:57.

bitterly disappointed, but more disappointed for the party in west

:33:58.:34:01.

Belfast and very disappointed for SDLP supporters in west Belfast. I

:34:02.:34:05.

feel much more for the party and people in the constituency than I do

:34:06.:34:12.

for myself. It's disappointing, the outcome of the election after so

:34:13.:34:16.

many elections and so many close calls. Last year it was described as

:34:17.:34:19.

the great escape, but it wasn't to be this time. It wasn't. As an Irish

:34:20.:34:24.

Democrat I live with the will and wishes of the people, even if on the

:34:25.:34:29.

far side of this election there might be outcome is that I don't

:34:30.:34:33.

think are good for the future of our country, nonetheless as an Irish

:34:34.:34:38.

Democrat I accept that. I have always accepted that, that's part of

:34:39.:34:42.

the calibre of the SDLP, its culture and ethic. It always will be. The

:34:43.:34:48.

SDLP held the MP seat, the Westminster seat 20 years ago. You

:34:49.:34:53.

have previously had two MLAs in the assembly. In terms of the narrative,

:34:54.:34:57.

what went wrong. Even when there was a bit of a protest last year towards

:34:58.:35:02.

Gerry Carroll from Sinn Fein, should that have been yet still be that

:35:03.:35:07.

capitalised on that? I think there was a surge towards a radical

:35:08.:35:12.

alternative, and maybe that surge in respect to Gerry Carroll has been

:35:13.:35:15.

brought back a bit in respect of this election. But yes, there was

:35:16.:35:20.

ground the SDLP could have better occupied. If there are any failings

:35:21.:35:25.

in that regard them first and foremost they fall to me. I have

:35:26.:35:30.

never been one in politics, be it in government or policing or in the

:35:31.:35:34.

constituency that has walked away from what I failed to contribute and

:35:35.:35:39.

what was primarily my responsibility. That's the way I

:35:40.:35:45.

feel about it. Yes, we should have occupied more ground. Gerry Adams is

:35:46.:35:53.

just arriving at the Titanic. It has been a good election for Sinn Fein

:35:54.:35:57.

so far. People have come out and the protest has gone their way. What is

:35:58.:36:02.

next for you personally? Will you stay in the party or go elsewhere

:36:03.:36:09.

for a career in a different field? I have been a political activist since

:36:10.:36:13.

my teenage years. I don't think political activism will go away.

:36:14.:36:21.

Really what's not important is who wins and loses today. It is, is our

:36:22.:36:29.

country winning or losing today? How do we now work through a pathway to

:36:30.:36:33.

get through where we want to be. We will hear from Gerry Adams. I want

:36:34.:36:40.

to thank all of those who voted for Sinn Fein. I want to commend a very

:36:41.:36:47.

positive campaign. This is a huge vote of thanks to Martin McGuinness

:36:48.:36:51.

and his family. It's a vote and a mandate that will have to be

:36:52.:36:55.

respected by the two governments, by all the other parties, for a step

:36:56.:37:00.

change, an end to the old status quo and a new beginning to how we do our

:37:01.:37:05.

business here. It's also a reassertion of our position on

:37:06.:37:11.

Brexit, that this part of Ireland should have special designated

:37:12.:37:14.

status. Whatever your issue with the constitutional staters, the only way

:37:15.:37:20.

to stop a land frontier between the European state and the British state

:37:21.:37:25.

on this island is to make sure there is a special designated status

:37:26.:37:28.

within the European Union for this part of the island. And finally it's

:37:29.:37:33.

a vote for Irish unity, for us to gather as a people, as Ian Paisley

:37:34.:37:37.

famously told Martin McGuinness, we don't need in this meant to govern

:37:38.:37:42.

us. Will your politicians take this in the next few weeks? Michelle has

:37:43.:37:50.

already indicted all the parties and the two governments to talk. We will

:37:51.:37:55.

do it this evening, tomorrow, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. We are

:37:56.:37:58.

there to do the business and we have a mandate to do that. We stood with

:37:59.:38:03.

a very positive agenda and we are clear on what we need. Essentially,

:38:04.:38:07.

what it is about, it's about agreements that have already been

:38:08.:38:11.

made being implemented. That's essentially what it's about. You

:38:12.:38:19.

probably can't legislate for this, a wee bit of manners, respect,

:38:20.:38:24.

treating other people the way you want to be treated yourself. There

:38:25.:38:29.

has been a lot of talk about red lines, what are those now the

:38:30.:38:33.

election is over? We have stayed away from putting out any red lines

:38:34.:38:38.

publicly. That's the way you do your business. That's not true, one of

:38:39.:38:42.

your candidate is talked about the Irish line which act as a public red

:38:43.:38:47.

line. If you knew that, why did you ask me the question? You said there

:38:48.:38:52.

were no red lines but a candidate standing beside you said there were.

:38:53.:38:57.

I said there were not any red lines clearly in terms of the all the

:38:58.:39:01.

issues that are agreements not delivered on, that are huge issues.

:39:02.:39:05.

What I am making as a clear point is, we don't need a really big

:39:06.:39:08.

renegotiation of what has already been agreed. Let's talk about

:39:09.:39:16.

delivery of what has been agreed. That includes the language act, a

:39:17.:39:21.

bill of rights, the proper working of the power-sharing core and the

:39:22.:39:28.

allied nature of this agreement. Has this strengthened your hand at storm

:39:29.:39:33.

at? It's a matter of us wisely using the mandate we have used. We would

:39:34.:39:38.

argue very clearly that we have done that so far and we will continue to

:39:39.:39:44.

do that. I suppose that is best personified by Martin McGuinness's

:39:45.:39:47.

commitment as our leader at that time to the process. As I said

:39:48.:39:51.

earlier to your college, I think it's also a huge vote of thanks to

:39:52.:39:57.

Martin and the whole McGuinness clan. Gerry Adams just finishing his

:39:58.:40:04.

comments in the media scrum at the front of the Titanic exhibition

:40:05.:40:08.

Centre. We will hopefully get him to the platform and drill down into

:40:09.:40:13.

some of the comments he made there to find out what his voters can

:40:14.:40:18.

expect after this election. Alex Attwood is still here. You were

:40:19.:40:22.

saying you have been a party political activist since your

:40:23.:40:25.

teenaged years. Can you imagine a role within the party that isn't

:40:26.:40:28.

unelected one? That's for another day. Given what I think of eastward

:40:29.:40:39.

and the new SDLP leadership, I will do whatever I can and whatever I am

:40:40.:40:44.

asked. If that is much or little, that's the approach I will adopt.

:40:45.:40:50.

Because the great project of the Good Friday Agreement, the concept

:40:51.:40:58.

of the accommodation of unionists and nationalists, the comments that

:40:59.:41:00.

have informed the democratic struggle over 60 years and the

:41:01.:41:04.

Democratic negotiation and agreement, those remain and must

:41:05.:41:10.

endure. Questions must be asked over the next while over whether all are

:41:11.:41:16.

going to ensure that they prevail and endure in our politics. We are

:41:17.:41:21.

now in a volatile situation. Hydro you see at playing out? I could give

:41:22.:41:25.

you four or five different answers do that. -- how do you see it planed

:41:26.:41:31.

out. British government might want to go in One Direction. Other

:41:32.:41:38.

parties might want to go in another. Are you worried about direct rule.

:41:39.:41:45.

Is that the worst-case scenario? We said in the STL P, especially in the

:41:46.:41:49.

latter days of the campaign, because red lines have been created with one

:41:50.:41:52.

side against the other, that trying to emerge from that with a fully

:41:53.:41:57.

functioning devolution that lives up to all the requirements of the Good

:41:58.:42:01.

Friday Agreement and all its strands, was problematic, and

:42:02.:42:04.

therefore there was a risk we were digging ourselves into a hole that

:42:05.:42:08.

would lead to direct rule, the end of evolution for now, and a hard

:42:09.:42:14.

unionist, hard Tory and hard government in London running the

:42:15.:42:15.

place. east Does it frustrate you are no

:42:16.:42:28.

longer involved with the system that was part of the Good Friday

:42:29.:42:35.

Agreement? Well, hopefully, I will have made some difference to many

:42:36.:42:38.

people, a large number of people in Northern Ireland.

:42:39.:42:42.

So, we haven't seen the last of you? Look, I'm not going to brow phrases

:42:43.:42:47.

like that from somebody else. All right, Alex. Commiserations to

:42:48.:42:50.

you. Thank you very much, Tara. Instead

:42:51.:42:55.

of drilling down to a constituency, let's have a look at the overall

:42:56.:43:01.

picture as it is emerging. This is the state of the parties in the new

:43:02.:43:05.

assembly. We should bear in mind there have been 24 of the 94 seats

:43:06.:43:11.

declared. So a long way to go. Sinn Fein are topping the table with 11

:43:12.:43:16.

MLAs voted for. They have done well. In every

:43:17.:43:21.

constituency the vote has gone up and good at dividing the votes

:43:22.:43:26.

between the candidates. And symbolic of how bad it has been

:43:27.:43:36.

for the official parties? OK, let's go on to the share of the vote. We

:43:37.:43:41.

have that. This is the first preference votes for the parties.

:43:42.:43:46.

Here we see that the DUP, even though under pressure, they just

:43:47.:43:50.

marginally are still the largest party in terms of first preference

:43:51.:43:57.

votes? Yes. And not totally unprecedented for Sinn Fein to be

:43:58.:44:02.

one of the biggest parties. But this would have been, they are

:44:03.:44:06.

close to being the first party in the assembly election for the first

:44:07.:44:10.

time. And the two big power brokers, the

:44:11.:44:18.

Sinn Fein and the DUP. Let's have a look at the movement.

:44:19.:44:24.

The DUP under pressure in the campaign. In relation to the

:44:25.:44:28.

Renewable Heat Incentive saga. Do you think that they will be happy

:44:29.:44:32.

with the drop? I think that they will and expect it to go down

:44:33.:44:37.

further. The opinion polls suggested it would be worse. It increased

:44:38.:44:45.

although in South Down and in Upper Bann, up 7%. So chinks in the light.

:44:46.:44:51.

But Sinn Fein are the big winners so far in the election. At one point

:44:52.:44:56.

considered the mud guards to the executive but their decision to cut

:44:57.:45:00.

loose and allow the people to have their say seems to have paid off? It

:45:01.:45:06.

seems to have justified a strategy, if it was, of course.

:45:07.:45:12.

We will be hearing where the unionists and the SDLP got it wrong.

:45:13.:45:20.

But the SDLP have just dropped marginally, and the DUP put on in

:45:21.:45:29.

some circumstances? Well, there was a shift from two/five to six and

:45:30.:45:34.

what it would mean. But thoufr is the worth result for the SDLP. The

:45:35.:45:40.

worst ever result for the party. So, clinging tonne the seats.

:45:41.:45:46.

They needed to do more. And the Alliance doing well in percentage

:45:47.:45:50.

terms? A good result in share increase and a good result in terms

:45:51.:45:57.

of keeping seats. All eight of their seats are safe and a chance of a

:45:58.:46:03.

gain in South Down. My reading of the maths of the new assembly, is

:46:04.:46:08.

that under the rules you must have 8% of the new assembly to qualify

:46:09.:46:14.

being in the same position? So by staying the same they should

:46:15.:46:19.

qualify? Indeed, and the SDLP may not.

:46:20.:46:21.

Thank you very much. There we leave it on that note. Back

:46:22.:46:25.

to you, Mark. Thank you very much. Interesting to

:46:26.:46:33.

see the overall picture in and it's facts, counterfacts and

:46:34.:46:35.

contradictions. I want to go to Stephen Walker,

:46:36.:46:41.

following the counts in North Down and Strangford. Kelly Armstrong of

:46:42.:46:47.

Alliance has been returned. What is the Ulster Unionist Party

:46:48.:46:51.

picture in Strangford? Have you worked it out yet? Just before you

:46:52.:46:57.

came to me, I had a word with Mike Nesbitt, below me in the counting

:46:58.:47:02.

hall. I asked if he would be talking to the media. He said not today. The

:47:03.:47:08.

body language was not very good. He looked despondent. The camp here has

:47:09.:47:15.

looked gloomiment the biggest smiles on the faces of the DUP activist

:47:16.:47:20.

supporters. So a bad day for the Ulster Unionist Party in Strangford.

:47:21.:47:24.

Hoping to get the fifth seat with Phillip Smith. As the numbers are

:47:25.:47:30.

being crunched it looks like Peter Weir is in the driving seat for the

:47:31.:47:35.

fifth seat in Strangford. Mike Nesbitt will hold on to his

:47:36.:47:41.

seat, though, he will be disappointed that Phillip Smith may

:47:42.:47:44.

lose out, he will be back but not clear how many he will have with

:47:45.:47:49.

him? That's right. There is no confirmation that Mike Nesbitt is

:47:50.:47:52.

home and dry but the expectation is that he will take the seat. He was

:47:53.:47:58.

hoping to bring his running mate, Phillip Smith along with him. In the

:47:59.:48:02.

last election, Smith did not poll well. But there were transfers. That

:48:03.:48:10.

may not happen as much as last time Mike Nesbitt topped the poll but on

:48:11.:48:16.

this occasion, it didn't happen, Simon Hamilton did.

:48:17.:48:24.

In North Down, Allen Chambers polled well but in terms of Strangford,

:48:25.:48:29.

they had high hopes to bring in Phillip Smith as the second

:48:30.:48:31.

candidate. As we are going from six seats to

:48:32.:48:36.

five seats, we made the point earlier, the quota is up from 14.3%

:48:37.:48:42.

2016.7%. So a bigger ask to win a seat this time around. And the

:48:43.:48:49.

complicating factors of the other issues in the election.

:48:50.:48:58.

Let's have a chat with Eida Duncan. What is happening where you are? The

:48:59.:49:10.

first headline we have heard about is that Declan Kurney has been

:49:11.:49:15.

elected with more than 7,000 votes. But things are happening differently

:49:16.:49:21.

here. We are not getting the declarations with everybody gathered

:49:22.:49:25.

around. There is a clap from below and we are handed a piece of paper

:49:26.:49:30.

that says somebody has been elected. Declan concerny is the first elected

:49:31.:49:37.

in South Antrim. In the east we have had David hilled itch and the

:49:38.:49:41.

electorate officer spoke to the candidates and agreed that they will

:49:42.:49:44.

not have individual declarations after each person that has been

:49:45.:49:49.

elected. They are to wait until the end and then announce all five

:49:50.:49:52.

together. So we will have to wait and see and we'll get all of the

:49:53.:49:57.

applause all in one go. They say it's an attempt to speed things up.

:49:58.:50:05.

But we have had one person elected in South Antrim and one person

:50:06.:50:11.

elected in East Antrim. In the south, Declan concerny has topped

:50:12.:50:19.

the vote. David Ford is doing well. The DUP, Paul Girvan is polling

:50:20.:50:28.

well. There is Pam Cameron and Trevor Clark also from the DUP it

:50:29.:50:32.

looks like they are battling it out for the seats.

:50:33.:50:37.

Thank you very much. We will stay in touch as the afternoon unfolds.

:50:38.:50:42.

Let's go to Foyle. Let's join my colleague there with

:50:43.:50:47.

Raymond McCarthy. He just held on to his seat, Kieron? That's right.

:50:48.:50:52.

Stephen Walker was talking about body language. I think that the body

:50:53.:50:56.

language of Sinn Fein in Foyle is one of jubilation.

:50:57.:51:01.

Your party delivered on the two seats here in Foyle? We have fought

:51:02.:51:08.

an energy gettic campaign. To set the target to return two MLAs back

:51:09.:51:13.

to the assembly. We have seen on the doors, the mood of the people. I

:51:14.:51:18.

think most people understood Martin McGuinness and how he was very much

:51:19.:51:23.

a matter part of the campaign, even if he was not on the campaign trail,

:51:24.:51:30.

he was a great motivating factor. Yesterday we knew early on that the

:51:31.:51:35.

vote was responding. Today with the size of the vote, I think it is the

:51:36.:51:40.

highest total that Sinn Fein has gotten in Foyle. So it sent a clear

:51:41.:51:45.

message in terms of whether or not the right decision was made to

:51:46.:51:49.

collapse the executive. A day of mixed emotions but also for

:51:50.:51:55.

the republicans here? Absolutely. The Sinn Fein in the city were

:51:56.:52:01.

outstanding. Martin was at each of the collections, and told people

:52:02.:52:08.

that it broke his heart he could not stand in the election. I have no

:52:09.:52:12.

doubt he will be watching the programme and will have a smile on

:52:13.:52:18.

his face. He mows what the average was put on Derry but looking at the

:52:19.:52:23.

rums, he will be saying job well done.

:52:24.:52:28.

I know that health is a private matter but a lot of people are

:52:29.:52:32.

wanting to know, how is Martin McGuinness? Well, he is a private

:52:33.:52:39.

family, and we respect that. He is going through his treatment. We hope

:52:40.:52:43.

he will be well soon and that we see him again.

:52:44.:52:47.

On Monday, when the dust settles, what happens then? We have to see

:52:48.:52:51.

how the results pan out today and tomorrow. The electorate will have

:52:52.:52:56.

sent a clear message to us. That we did the right thing. And we are

:52:57.:53:01.

going back to the negotiations, to be saying clearly, that there are

:53:02.:53:06.

agreements previously made. We must treat people with dignity and

:53:07.:53:09.

respect, that is the basis on the assembly and how it functions. So

:53:10.:53:14.

that is how we are talking with our negotiations with any party.

:53:15.:53:20.

Do you think that there could be an executive, given the level of

:53:21.:53:24.

insults that that you your party has traded with the DUP and the poisoned

:53:25.:53:27.

atmosphere that is there at the moment? Absolutely. We told it as we

:53:28.:53:35.

see it. That is our duty. We make pledges to people when we stand in

:53:36.:53:40.

elections. So therefore, if we say we are standing up for citizens'

:53:41.:53:45.

rights, that is not insulting language. If we stand for the Irish

:53:46.:53:50.

language, the gay community, any of those citizens that feel left out,

:53:51.:53:56.

who are telling us clearly, that they are not trading insults, that

:53:57.:54:01.

is telling it as it is. That is what Palestinianings is about.

:54:02.:54:08.

You are confident about that? There is no disagreement. If the

:54:09.:54:13.

electorate is responding to us, we should listen to the electorate.

:54:14.:54:18.

Thank you very much for that, Kieron. Now to the Lagan Valley

:54:19.:54:33.

Centre in Lisburn. I'm sure you have looked at the 23478s, and Sinead has

:54:34.:54:38.

but it looks like Sinead is second in the leaderboard two votes behind

:54:39.:54:44.

Sinn Fein's Stormont leader, Michelle O'Neill? I wonder if she

:54:45.:54:48.

would have been pleased if she had been knocked off the top spot? I

:54:49.:54:52.

don't know about that but I'm sure that Sinn Fein are delighted with

:54:53.:54:56.

the performance in South Down. Chris has been elected as well. Topping

:54:57.:55:05.

the poll, Sinead Ennis, and Sinn Fein overtaking the SDLP. Do you

:55:06.:55:09.

think that was inevitable in this election? I think it was. It has

:55:10.:55:15.

been on the cards for a number of elections. I'm delighted to have

:55:16.:55:19.

done it in spectacular fashion this time around.

:55:20.:55:25.

Does it matter who tops the poll from the party's perspective?

:55:26.:55:29.

Topping the poll is not what we go into the election to achieve. We

:55:30.:55:34.

want to increase the mandate. I am glad we've been able to play a part

:55:35.:55:37.

in that. How much are you looking forward to

:55:38.:55:41.

serving in an assembly? You come from the council. But there is a

:55:42.:55:46.

doubt as to when we will have an executive and an assembly? As I

:55:47.:55:51.

said, we are going to let the results sink in. Going into the next

:55:52.:55:57.

few weeks with an open mind and hearts. We want to see the executive

:55:58.:56:02.

up and running. Obviously I'm a councillor, it is a step up but

:56:03.:56:06.

ready for the job and excited to see the assembly up and running.

:56:07.:56:12.

Talking to Jim Wells earlier, he said that RHI was no the an issue in

:56:13.:56:19.

South Down, was he rapping the wrong doors? What were you hearing? It was

:56:20.:56:27.

a huge issue for people. People wanted to engage like never before.

:56:28.:56:34.

I was commented, that this election is not about street lights but civil

:56:35.:56:39.

rights. So I don't know what doors he was knocking. They were not the

:56:40.:56:42.

same as ours. What will Sinn Fein do with the

:56:43.:56:48.

mandate it gets? What will it deliver? We said it was about

:56:49.:56:55.

fighting Brexit, returning integrity to Government. They want the

:56:56.:56:59.

executive to work. So that's the priority, to deliver for people.

:57:00.:57:03.

That is what we are going into the negotiations to achieve.

:57:04.:57:07.

Are you intimidated by going to the assembly from the council. Many have

:57:08.:57:13.

done it before but no apprehension there? Och, no. Obviously it is a

:57:14.:57:20.

big step up. But Chris is a seasoned politicians, and he was with the

:57:21.:57:23.

minister for infrastructure last time. So I have lots of help and

:57:24.:57:27.

support. Chris and I are a team. We'll do the job together.

:57:28.:57:35.

And briefly, the DUP will poll strongly, one assumes, we don't have

:57:36.:57:41.

the final figures, will that make reaching an agreement more difficult

:57:42.:57:45.

to make with both parties potentially coming from a position

:57:46.:57:49.

of strength? It is early days. We have to see the final count. But I

:57:50.:57:54.

can only speak for ourselves. We're getting into this to make sure that

:57:55.:57:58.

the institutions are back up and running and delivering. I hope that

:57:59.:58:02.

the DUP approach it from the same perspective as well.

:58:03.:58:06.

Thank you very much for joining us. With that from the Lagan Valley, it

:58:07.:58:13.

is back it you in the studio. A few more results to share with

:58:14.:58:18.

you. Sinn Fein has secured his seat and

:58:19.:58:26.

from Ulster, we have been joined by Michelle O'Neill, in as well. So

:58:27.:58:32.

three seats there. It looks like the Ulster Unionist parties could

:58:33.:58:35.

anybody difficulty there. I will keep you up-to-date with the

:58:36.:58:39.

developments as they happen. Let's go back to my panel.

:58:40.:58:43.

We will consider some of what we have been listening to.

:58:44.:58:47.

Rick, no huge changes. It is pretty much as we were in terms of the

:58:48.:58:53.

direction of travel. I wanted to ask you about what Newton was saying

:58:54.:58:58.

earlier on, if we can deduce anything it may be that the decision

:58:59.:59:04.

to move into opposition by the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist Party was a

:59:05.:59:06.

big mistake? It was because I don't think they

:59:07.:59:13.

made a good fist of it. It was a hard thing to do. And they haven't

:59:14.:59:18.

had much time, to be fair, only eight months before the election was

:59:19.:59:22.

called. Nevertheless, one would expect to see some coherence evident

:59:23.:59:26.

as they approach the election campaign proper. It really wasn't

:59:27.:59:31.

there. The spirit was willing, but the flesh was decidedly weak. Many

:59:32.:59:40.

in the STL P were rather about the idea anyway. They're bigger battle

:59:41.:59:43.

was with Sinn Fein and they have clearly lost that battle. I don't

:59:44.:59:48.

know if the SDLP will get enough seats to go into opposition in this

:59:49.:59:52.

coming Assembly. A formal opposition as it were. We talked about this

:59:53.:00:00.

earlier and they said eastward did well in the debates, there was an

:00:01.:00:04.

appetite for change and people came out to vote because they were

:00:05.:00:07.

energised in a way they were not ten months ago. You think that might

:00:08.:00:13.

have percolated through in a way that the SDLP might have done

:00:14.:00:20.

better. -- Colum Eastwood. Looking back, the trajectory of vote share

:00:21.:00:25.

of the both DUP and Sinn Fein, they virtually run in parallel. This time

:00:26.:00:30.

they have almost converged. I think the DUP is just 0.2% in terms of

:00:31.:00:35.

vote share ahead. They are converging the electorate. There is

:00:36.:00:40.

a sense now that Northern Ireland, as Newton hinted at earlier, it's

:00:41.:00:44.

now a 2.5 party system we have. The two big parties in our alliance, I

:00:45.:00:52.

think quite frankly the one party leader who will not survive this is

:00:53.:00:57.

a Mike Nesbitt. I think he will be gone and if BT is elected back to

:00:58.:01:01.

the assembly I think he can be brought in. Why would he go? Has he

:01:02.:01:10.

over claimed? He over claimed, overpromised, and the delivery of

:01:11.:01:14.

vote transfers between the UUP and SDLP doesn't look like it has

:01:15.:01:17.

materialised. To the extent it has, it doesn't matter because the SDLP

:01:18.:01:22.

have taken a hammering. The UUP have not done at all well and have lost

:01:23.:01:28.

key figures, looks like Sandra Irving will lose her seat as well. I

:01:29.:01:32.

think Nicholas Whyte made the point earlier that this is the first

:01:33.:01:34.

devolution assembly we have had where there will not be a unionist

:01:35.:01:43.

majority. I want to talk about mandates again. Arlene Foster said,

:01:44.:01:50.

vote for the DUP on Thursday because you need to stand up against Sinn

:01:51.:01:56.

Fein's radical republican agenda. That's how she characterised it. You

:01:57.:02:00.

are going to have a good mandate, so if Sinn Fein. Is the DUP's mandates

:02:01.:02:04.

to work with Sinn Fein and make storm on tap in, or is the DUP's

:02:05.:02:12.

mandate is not to work the mandate and not operate alongside Sinn

:02:13.:02:14.

Fein's radical Republican agenda. It can be both -- it can't be both. And

:02:15.:02:21.

out on the doorsteps it was absolutely clear across the

:02:22.:02:25.

political spectrum, regardless of who people were voting for, they

:02:26.:02:28.

were voting for the parties to come back in and make storm at work.

:02:29.:02:31.

That's clear, and we are committed to doing that. -- and make Stormont

:02:32.:02:41.

work. We don't elect Sinn Fein, it's the nationalist community that

:02:42.:02:44.

elects Sinn Fein and we recognise that's what's happening again. Sinn

:02:45.:02:49.

Fein and the DUP are neck and neck, that's what we predicted, and that

:02:50.:02:53.

the outcome. In the end, Sinn Fein have a mandate, and we have a

:02:54.:02:58.

mandate, and there has to be respect for both of those mandates and we

:02:59.:03:01.

have to get a government formed in the next three weeks. That's what we

:03:02.:03:06.

want to achieve. The answer to that question is very clear, yes, we're

:03:07.:03:10.

up for doing this. Just to pick up on that specific point. Martina made

:03:11.:03:17.

it very clear earlier, and Michelle O'Neill made it clear earlier, what

:03:18.:03:22.

she said to me today and a couple of weeks ago, she said Sinn Fein will

:03:23.:03:25.

not work in the executive with Arlene Foster. This side of the RHI

:03:26.:03:33.

public enquiry reporting. Is there flexibility within that as far as

:03:34.:03:37.

the DUP is concerned? Can you find a creative way to not dance to Sinn

:03:38.:03:42.

Fein's tune, but still not stop storm aren't getting up and running

:03:43.:03:50.

again. I hope the Sinn Fein will draw back from setting preconditions

:03:51.:03:53.

and red lines. We could take a view, and could have taken the view a long

:03:54.:03:57.

time ago that until we deal with the legacy of our troubled past, we are

:03:58.:04:01.

not prepared to go into government with Sinn Fein or with anyone in

:04:02.:04:04.

Sinn Fein who has been associated with that troubled past. We didn't

:04:05.:04:08.

do that because people have voted for us to get into government and

:04:09.:04:13.

make this work. I would say to Sinn Fein, that's what their mandate is

:04:14.:04:16.

for. It's not about bringing Stormont down, it's about relaxing

:04:17.:04:21.

the government at a time when big decisions are being made about our

:04:22.:04:27.

future. Let's take a look at some pictures of Mike Nesbitt, I think

:04:28.:04:30.

he's walking across the car park at the aurora leisure Centre in Bangor.

:04:31.:04:38.

There's an Ulster Rugby top he has on. Apparently, according to my

:04:39.:04:43.

colleagues, that's a pretty rare sighting of Mike Nesbitt today.

:04:44.:04:48.

Stephen Walker told us, down at the count, he talked to Mike Nesbitt,

:04:49.:04:51.

and Mike Nesbitt said he wasn't prepared to do interviews today.

:04:52.:04:55.

Holding fire until tomorrow. We will see what he has to say in due

:04:56.:04:59.

course, but everyone will say is not a great day for the UUP just yet.

:05:00.:05:11.

Not a great day for Eamon McCann. The outgoing candidate of the people

:05:12.:05:16.

before profit party. Your share has gone up a little bit. Your vote

:05:17.:05:20.

tally has gone up a little bit. But the chance of you holding onto that

:05:21.:05:29.

seat are a bit less than 50-50. You were searching for the phrase there,

:05:30.:05:33.

went to! Chances are less than 50-50. Looking at the figures,

:05:34.:05:39.

there's no point in trying to blind oneself with some imagined silver

:05:40.:05:44.

lining. The fact is, the seat is going to go unless something

:05:45.:05:47.

extraordinary happens in the pattern of transfers. The last seat will go

:05:48.:05:53.

to the DUP. That's regrettable, obviously, from our point of view,

:05:54.:05:56.

but we have to be realistic, that's the way to looks and I think that's

:05:57.:06:00.

how it will be. The whole thing at this stage is to pick up transfers

:06:01.:06:04.

as others are eliminated, but you are chasing a quota of about 7500,

:06:05.:06:11.

nearly 2000 up on what it was last year in May. The DUP candidate, Gary

:06:12.:06:23.

Middleton, he's moving candidate. The target is disappearing out of

:06:24.:06:27.

sight. But I'm just repeating myself. Just looking at the figures,

:06:28.:06:33.

everybody knows people before profit are realistic enough to know that

:06:34.:06:36.

it's very unlikely to hold the seat here. That's the reality of the

:06:37.:06:42.

situation. We have to look to the future. My voice will not be heard

:06:43.:06:48.

in the Assembly in the next session, but my voice will be heard clearly

:06:49.:06:52.

around Derry and the north generally because there are a lot of things to

:06:53.:06:57.

speak loudly about. If you don't hold onto the seat, how will you

:06:58.:07:01.

feel about that? You and I have had many conversations over the years.

:07:02.:07:06.

The first entered the political race in 1969 when some of us were still

:07:07.:07:10.

in nappies. You are very successful last year. People who didn't

:07:11.:07:14.

necessarily share your worldview were pleased for you that you had

:07:15.:07:17.

secured that seat. But you didn't really like Stormont, you weren't

:07:18.:07:23.

sure it was doing what it should be doing to the best of its ability. Do

:07:24.:07:27.

you have a mixed view of not being back there? Personally, I might have

:07:28.:07:34.

a view about how enjoyable Stormont was or wasn't. Not very, presumably.

:07:35.:07:44.

But there was a job to do. You have lost me a little... You are saying

:07:45.:07:49.

we might wonder about your view of how enjoyable Stormont was, and I'm

:07:50.:07:56.

saying, presumably not very. To be honest, it wasn't me, it's not my

:07:57.:08:05.

style, the constrictions and the limits one has to operate in at

:08:06.:08:09.

Stormont. But all that said, lots of people go to work every day, and it

:08:10.:08:14.

doesn't mean I have to work into work with a lilt in their step all

:08:15.:08:18.

the time. I was very pleased to do the job. What was interesting,

:08:19.:08:23.

fascinating, and I wouldn't miss the experience for the world. That

:08:24.:08:27.

doesn't mean I have to regard it as a laugh a line during my time at

:08:28.:08:35.

Stormont, and it certainly wasn't. My main feeling, despite my own

:08:36.:08:39.

personal views might be about being in Stormont, is one of great

:08:40.:08:44.

disappointment we haven't held onto the seat. That overwhelms any

:08:45.:08:47.

personal feelings I might have. There is a delay on the line but I

:08:48.:08:51.

will ask one final question. Do you think the people before profit's

:08:52.:08:57.

position on Brexit has been a problem because the ground has moved

:08:58.:09:00.

from under you on that issue. Maybe the people who lent you a vote last

:09:01.:09:04.

time round might have been supportive this time, but couldn't

:09:05.:09:07.

bring themselves to do it because they don't like where you stand on

:09:08.:09:12.

the prospect of Brexit? It would be idle for me to deny that Brexit

:09:13.:09:17.

didn't do us any favours. It was certainly a negative factor as far

:09:18.:09:20.

as we were concerned in the campaign. We took a stand, we didn't

:09:21.:09:27.

flip-flopped on the issue of Europe. It's a position we have held for 30

:09:28.:09:32.

years, we stood by it and there are times in politics that even though

:09:33.:09:35.

you know something is proving unpopular, you have to take your

:09:36.:09:38.

stand and say what you really believe. I think people will agree

:09:39.:09:43.

you have certainly done that over the years. Great to talk to you.

:09:44.:09:48.

We'll keep an eye on that and see how the numbers shake down in the

:09:49.:09:52.

final analysis. Thank you for talking to us. Eamonn McCann there,

:09:53.:09:55.

the people before profit candidate who admits he is unlikely to hold

:09:56.:10:02.

onto his in foil. Let's look at some of the numbers, the bigger picture.

:10:03.:10:08.

Mark Sampson in our future virtual Stormont chamber. A quarter of the

:10:09.:10:13.

seats being filled, let's look at the early state of play. The largest

:10:14.:10:18.

party so far is Sinn Fein with 14 seats. 14 out of 27. If my maths

:10:19.:10:24.

teacher is watching, she will be proud of me because I think it's

:10:25.:10:28.

more than half of the seats so far settled. A good day for Sinn Fein is

:10:29.:10:33.

so far and the new leader Michelle O'Neill. No Martin McGuinness, but

:10:34.:10:39.

no problems so far. The DUP got 38 seats last time. It's early days,

:10:40.:10:46.

have eight. No way they will get 38, but they still want 30. The third

:10:47.:10:52.

biggest party at the moment, the Alliance party, good collection so

:10:53.:10:59.

far for Naomi Long. She has five already so far. One Ulster Unionists

:11:00.:11:07.

so far. Sneaking in there, a blue looking Alan Chambers in North Down.

:11:08.:11:13.

Not good news for Mike Nesbitt. The SDLP, looking at the other side of

:11:14.:11:20.

the chamber. They also have only one MLA re-elected so far. That's the

:11:21.:11:24.

state of play so far in the chamber. The big picture is, the DUP have a

:11:25.:11:29.

lot of work to do, not just to get past the magic 30 number to give

:11:30.:11:33.

Arlene Foster a petition of concern, but would be a satisfactory result

:11:34.:11:37.

for her as party leader, they also want to catch up with Sinn Fein. The

:11:38.:11:41.

number of seats could be very close. As things stand at the moment, it

:11:42.:11:49.

doesn't look like any party will get past 30 seats, but it's early days,

:11:50.:11:52.

we are only about a quarter of the way through. Thank you to mark.

:11:53.:11:56.

Feels like we should be a bit further on many quarter, but there

:11:57.:12:00.

you go. Gives you a good sense of how the numbers are stacking up. As

:12:01.:12:06.

Mark said, heavily caveat it with the reminder that it's extremely

:12:07.:12:12.

early and we can't draw any huge conclusions. Back to the panel.

:12:13.:12:17.

Martina, we touched earlier on the idea of direct rule as an option if

:12:18.:12:23.

the two main parties don't manage to agree to resurrect Stormont, or how

:12:24.:12:27.

it can be resurrected in the short term. Are there any circumstances in

:12:28.:12:32.

which direct rule is an attractive option for Sinn Fein, the most

:12:33.:12:36.

attractive option for Sinn Fein? I want to say to Rick and two other

:12:37.:12:40.

commentators that I have listened to over the last few weeks, sometimes

:12:41.:12:47.

when we go over the negotiations that have been made and the

:12:48.:12:50.

commitments that have been made and not honoured, you seem to get a bit

:12:51.:12:57.

defensive or dismissive. I'm not saying you personally, but that

:12:58.:13:01.

seems to be the category. The Saint Andrews agreement had a joint

:13:02.:13:06.

statement from the two governments, British and Irish, and it said,

:13:07.:13:11.

never again will there be direct rule from London only. That's a

:13:12.:13:18.

quote from the joint statement from the two governments. Sometimes I

:13:19.:13:26.

find, Rick, that is dismissed. By me bust in yellow not you generally, --

:13:27.:13:39.

by me? Not you generally. They talked about joint authority. It

:13:40.:13:43.

could be a greener form of direct rule. It could be joint authority

:13:44.:13:47.

and we don't know the form of that. I'm not saying that's the direction

:13:48.:13:51.

of travel, but I want to put it on the table. Let's see what Rick has

:13:52.:13:56.

to say. Is that actually on the table? There is no textual warrant

:13:57.:14:00.

for joint authority over Northern Ireland. What is, if you remember,

:14:01.:14:08.

it was floated by both Tony Blair and Bertie Ahern, there could have

:14:09.:14:12.

been devolution, what they referred to as a form of joint stewardship. I

:14:13.:14:19.

remember speaking to senior officials at the time who did use

:14:20.:14:23.

the phrase, a greener form of direct rule, but it was never pinned down

:14:24.:14:28.

and there is no legal or textual warrant for joint authority, none.

:14:29.:14:32.

That would be a breach of UK sovereignty if that was to be the

:14:33.:14:37.

case, but it's not provided for in the Saint Andrews agreement, or in

:14:38.:14:41.

the subsequent Saint Andrew's act. What we were left with was a

:14:42.:14:45.

beguiling prospect of joint stewardship, but it was never pinned

:14:46.:14:51.

down. Newton is nodding. You just have to listen to what Gerry Adams

:14:52.:14:54.

is saying if you want to know what's going on. Earlier in the broadcast

:14:55.:14:58.

at the election count he said he wanted to focus on outstanding

:14:59.:15:01.

commitments. He said he wanted the executive restored, and has listed

:15:02.:15:06.

nine of them previously. All bar one were at British and Irish government

:15:07.:15:10.

level. In fact, the executive is rather irrelevant to the Sinn Fein

:15:11.:15:14.

process now. They want agreements delivered by the British and Irish

:15:15.:15:18.

governments. A dispute over whether its outstanding comedy bill of

:15:19.:15:21.

rights for example. The text or process was met but didn't produce a

:15:22.:15:29.

bill. The Irish language act was to be delivered by Britain but it was

:15:30.:15:32.

then devolved by virtue of the St Andrews agreement so handed back to

:15:33.:15:35.

the DUP, a negotiating mistake at best. All of these things to be

:15:36.:15:41.

resolved. When promised that the executive by passing it. It's a

:15:42.:15:42.

mixed message. You were taking issue with what

:15:43.:15:56.

Martina Anderson was suggesting. But can you see what she was suggesting,

:15:57.:16:01.

it is not in the letter but part of a wider conversation that clearly

:16:02.:16:06.

Martina would like to see resurrected? And no doubt Sinn Fein

:16:07.:16:12.

would like to see it resurrected but it is going nowhere, and it has been

:16:13.:16:16.

said that joint authority is not on the table. The idea that is

:16:17.:16:23.

catastrophe Conservative government, that is unionist, looking to fight a

:16:24.:16:29.

battle, possibly in a referendum, would all of a sudden turn union is

:16:30.:16:35.

bizarre. At a time when they are focussing on Brexit and the

:16:36.:16:40.

negotiations with the European Union, that they would introduce

:16:41.:16:43.

constitutional calamity in Northern Ireland is unthinkable. So I would

:16:44.:16:48.

say to Sinn Fein, you have been given a mandate, the mandate given

:16:49.:16:53.

is to get back to government. People elected you to be in government.

:16:54.:16:57.

Elected the DUP to be in government. They want to see a Government

:16:58.:17:01.

formed. They want to see the government taking decisions, getting

:17:02.:17:04.

on with governing Northern Ireland. They want to see that government

:17:05.:17:09.

setting out its plan for how we handing Brexit. If we have direct

:17:10.:17:14.

rule, and the irony is, the direct rule suits the DUP more than Sinn

:17:15.:17:17.

Fein, we have a government that relies on our votes on a significant

:17:18.:17:23.

number of occasions, I could make an argument for direct rule but it is

:17:24.:17:28.

not the mandate we sought. We want a government in Stormont.

:17:29.:17:34.

But it was said that this is a vote for the united Northern Ireland. But

:17:35.:17:38.

the hope is to have these arguments and keep the ball in the air.

:17:39.:17:44.

We will come back to this, you both seem to like the direct rule but not

:17:45.:17:49.

agree on the circumstances of that. And I want to talk with Ian Paisley,

:17:50.:17:59.

at the North Antrim and Mid Ulster count in Ballymena. Good afternoon.

:18:00.:18:05.

The DUP has held on to its seat. It looks like you might lose a seat is

:18:06.:18:13.

that a possibility? Well, Mid Ulster has been an excellent result. 10,000

:18:14.:18:19.

votes, probably the strongest voice west of the position for us as a

:18:20.:18:25.

Unionist Party and a voice for the community west of the ban. And it is

:18:26.:18:30.

difficult for us to secure three seats on 40% of the votes. I think

:18:31.:18:36.

we have to recognise it is probably beyond reach with about 3 or 400

:18:37.:18:42.

votes short. But the election was about resetting the clock. Sinn Fein

:18:43.:18:48.

did not like that the DUP had ten seats ahead of them. A lot of things

:18:49.:18:54.

were put into the mix, pressing the reboot button and seeing if Sinn

:18:55.:18:57.

Fein can get close to us. That possibly and more than likely has

:18:58.:19:00.

happened. Are you confident that the DUP will

:19:01.:19:05.

be coming out on top? If you have not seen it, you will have heard

:19:06.:19:12.

from the comments on The View, David McIlveen said a couple of things,

:19:13.:19:18.

much about charisma, and predicted that Arlene Foster would not be the

:19:19.:19:23.

leader of the DUP by Monday. His dad and your dad are big friends. A huge

:19:24.:19:29.

fan of your father's legacy, as you are, how many people in the DUP does

:19:30.:19:37.

David McIlveen speak for? Well, I must say, I personally rent people

:19:38.:19:42.

popping up now, claiming the mantle of my father, claiming that they

:19:43.:19:45.

speak for him and know what his mind would have been. Frankly, that is an

:19:46.:19:52.

insult to him. I resent it, my mother resents it, my family resents

:19:53.:19:55.

it, stop doing it. A number of people have been doing it. Stop

:19:56.:19:59.

doing it. You are obviously angry about that.

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Will you have words with David about what he said last night? Honestly,

:20:04.:20:09.

for people to start name calling, saying this person is not

:20:10.:20:14.

charismatic, when perhaps it is not the word you associate with the

:20:15.:20:18.

person making the comments, I would have liked David to continue to be a

:20:19.:20:23.

strong voice for the DUP policies on the ground here in north Antrim. He

:20:24.:20:28.

came close to holding his seat. That is what he should have focussed on.

:20:29.:20:33.

But what has been said has been said. Our party is always good at

:20:34.:20:38.

this. Discipline internally, and if there are issues we wish to say to

:20:39.:20:44.

each other, we say them behind closed doors, man to man, face to

:20:45.:20:50.

face. But the clock was reset in terms of trying to get more people

:20:51.:20:55.

over the line for Sinn Fein in terms of the assembly seats

:20:56.:20:58.

proportionately seeking, and that is what they are trying to achieve.

:20:59.:21:03.

This is a tight election. It will throw up big issues. I believe in

:21:04.:21:10.

taking the issues a step at a time. No knee-jerk reactions but crossing

:21:11.:21:16.

the badges as we come to them. And Gerry Adams said there was no need

:21:17.:21:22.

for any big renegotiation. A couple of things needed sorting out.

:21:23.:21:27.

Everyone knows in this room, in your studio, across Northern Ireland that

:21:28.:21:30.

the ordinary man and woman in Northern Ireland wants an assembly

:21:31.:21:34.

up and running and working for them. They want my party and the other

:21:35.:21:39.

parties playing that role. We are up for that. We are calling for the

:21:40.:21:45.

other parties to do that, and stop wrecking the devolution and the

:21:46.:21:50.

hopes and the aspirations of the entire party.

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Thank you for that. He did not know what was coming next

:21:55.:22:00.

but he has set it up perfectly, that is Tara the Titanic Exhibition

:22:01.:22:03.

Centre, I understand she has been joined by the Sinn Fein President,

:22:04.:22:06.

Gerry Adams. Tara? You are at a disadvantage as

:22:07.:22:14.

you didn't know what was said there. But he said he was fed up at Sinn

:22:15.:22:19.

Fein, directing the remarks playing about with the assembly, with

:22:20.:22:23.

devolution, that people want an assembly and want it up and running

:22:24.:22:28.

soon. If that is the case, I take him at his word. We have invited the

:22:29.:22:35.

DUP to talks. And all of the other parties of course and the two

:22:36.:22:38.

governments. But not with Arlene Foster? No. Of

:22:39.:22:42.

course we will deal with Arlene Foster. She is the leader of the

:22:43.:22:45.

DUP. But you are not going to an

:22:46.:22:51.

executive with force Foster? We need an agreement on the terms, firstly,

:22:52.:22:55.

for the executive to run. Let's recap that. That is what the vote is

:22:56.:23:01.

about. It's about the political institutions being run based on the

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agreements that they were founded on. It is not a matter of having a

:23:05.:23:08.

big negotiation about issues which have been agreed. It is a matter

:23:09.:23:13.

about agreeing how they could implement it in terms of Arlene,

:23:14.:23:18.

look, she needs the party, these accusations have been made against

:23:19.:23:22.

her. We have not pronounced nor judged on that. She says she is

:23:23.:23:27.

innocent. I hope that she is. She needs to get it cleared up. That's

:23:28.:23:31.

what we are saying. Get it cleared up.

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Do you not realise from a DUP point of view you are putting her in an

:23:35.:23:40.

impossible position. If she says OK, put somebody else in as the joint

:23:41.:23:44.

First Minister or First Minister or whatever it turns tout be that is at

:23:45.:23:50.

Sinn Fein's behest? You asked me the question. We have not been making a

:23:51.:23:55.

headline of this. Martin McGuinness went and privately spoke to Arlene

:23:56.:24:00.

Foster and said to her, allegations have been made by Jonathan Bell that

:24:01.:24:04.

puts a different complex on what we are doing here. We need an inquiry,

:24:05.:24:12.

to stand aside without prejudice temporarily. She said no. That

:24:13.:24:16.

became the issue of contention between us. Let's take our foot off

:24:17.:24:21.

that peddle for the moment. That can't be sorted out. She's the

:24:22.:24:25.

leader of the DUP, I'm the leader of Sinn Fein. I didn't nominate myself

:24:26.:24:32.

to be the deputy, or the First Minister First Minister. I nominated

:24:33.:24:37.

Martin McGuinness and incidentally, this vote for Sinn Fein is a huge

:24:38.:24:43.

vote of thanks to Martin McGuinness and to the McGuinness family. This

:24:44.:24:48.

time around, if we have the opportunity I will nominate Michelle

:24:49.:24:54.

O'Neill for the position of deputy or First Minister First Minister. As

:24:55.:24:58.

Arlene says she is innocent of the charges so let's go it cleared up

:24:59.:25:02.

and move forward. So when it comes to the gamble to

:25:03.:25:06.

bring the assembly down, has it paid off? It is not about that, with

:25:07.:25:14.

respect. If you read Martin McGuinness's letter, he was a

:25:15.:25:20.

reluctant reseenee. Making it clear that the position was untenable. If

:25:21.:25:25.

we had been hammered in the elections, Martin McGuinness's

:25:26.:25:27.

action would still have been the right reaction. As it is, people

:25:28.:25:34.

responded. I want to commend Michelle O'Neill for the positive

:25:35.:25:41.

campaign she led. I wanted to thank the members, the families, the

:25:42.:25:44.

people that travelled from the south to work with us in the north and all

:25:45.:25:49.

of those that voted. On the collapse of the Assembly, did

:25:50.:25:54.

you force his hand? Were you part of that? The belligerent element that

:25:55.:26:04.

Peter Robinson referred to? I have worked with Peter. He knows I am the

:26:05.:26:11.

least most belligerent person in Sinn Fein. Peter should know, better

:26:12.:26:15.

than most felt, that the position was untenable. And by the way, why

:26:16.:26:20.

did he do that? So that the people should have their say and the people

:26:21.:26:25.

have had their say. And in terms of the increase and the turnout, that

:26:26.:26:30.

is vindication of. Did the DUP make the selection easy,

:26:31.:26:36.

with some of the things that were said, the crocodiles, the social

:26:37.:26:40.

media hype. Did they help you gain the results you had? I think that

:26:41.:26:45.

they made it more difficult for themselves to resolve those issues

:26:46.:26:50.

in terms of agreements that were already made. I mean an Irish

:26:51.:26:56.

Language Act is in place now for Gaelic speakers in Scotland. They

:26:57.:27:02.

have their Scots Gaelic Act, the same with Welsh speakers in Wales.

:27:03.:27:09.

So why can't it have the same status as other parts of the United

:27:10.:27:13.

Kingdom? I think this is an important point, some members of my

:27:14.:27:20.

family are Irish speakers from birth, some kids in my street have

:27:21.:27:25.

never spoken English to me. I can tell you that the DUP have done more

:27:26.:27:32.

to radicalise and to politicise those very intelligent, wonderful

:27:33.:27:37.

young people with a great deal of potential and have done more to

:27:38.:27:41.

radicalise and politicise those young people than I could ever have

:27:42.:27:45.

done as all that they wanted was to be treated with respect.

:27:46.:27:49.

When it comes to going forward, can you guarantee the people that voted

:27:50.:27:54.

for you and came out in the numbers yesterday, that there will be no

:27:55.:27:58.

return to direct rule? We can't guarantee that but what we can

:27:59.:28:02.

guarantee is that Sinn Fein wants to see an end of any sort of English

:28:03.:28:09.

interference and I refer to the late Ian Paisley and the statement he

:28:10.:28:14.

made to Martin McGuinness, he said Martin, we don't need English men to

:28:15.:28:20.

govern us and we don't. That is what may be around the corner? Not if the

:28:21.:28:26.

parties take the mandates that they have been given, or has been art I

:28:27.:28:30.

can lated that they want back into the institution. And when dealing

:28:31.:28:35.

with jobs, so on, that there is a basis of doing that, it is scald

:28:36.:28:40.

equality, it is called honouring agreements made and doing what many

:28:41.:28:45.

of us were taught when we were kids, treating people the way that we want

:28:46.:28:48.

to be treated ourselves. Thank you very much. We refreshed

:28:49.:28:55.

the panel, Sir Jeffrey Donald left us to be replaced by Sammy Wilson,

:28:56.:29:01.

the DUP for East Antrim. How are you? Fine, thank you.

:29:02.:29:09.

It's good of you to spare as some of your time on a busy day. The mood

:29:10.:29:15.

where I have been as being very good as far as our boat was concerned,

:29:16.:29:22.

despite all the efforts from the BBC over the last four months, our vote

:29:23.:29:26.

has held up very well. What efforts are those? I think anybody who has

:29:27.:29:35.

watched and listened to the BBC and the four months of attacks on Arlene

:29:36.:29:41.

Foster, the four months on attacks on the DUP, rolling out every

:29:42.:29:45.

commentator you could, packing audiences with people who were

:29:46.:29:50.

opposed to Arlene Foster, you have used every programme, good morning

:29:51.:29:56.

Ulster, evening extra, the view, Spotlight, the Nolan show, Talkback,

:29:57.:30:02.

for four months it has been incessant bombardment against the

:30:03.:30:05.

party. Despite that, we held our vote. I thought he told me you

:30:06.:30:10.

haven't watched TV and don't listen to the radio. I do not, but I have

:30:11.:30:18.

got very good informants who tell me all the time. BBC's Northern Ireland

:30:19.:30:26.

briefing of Radio 4, I assume that's where Northern Ireland got their

:30:27.:30:31.

briefing from, even they had the skewed view that Arlene Foster had

:30:32.:30:35.

had to resign because of a financial scandal caused by the RHI scandal. I

:30:36.:30:42.

wonder where that came from. I suspect it came from a briefing they

:30:43.:30:46.

got from BBC Northern Ireland. But that spider by. I've no idea where

:30:47.:30:51.

came from. You must be feeling better now you've got that off your

:30:52.:30:55.

chest. I've been waiting all day to say that! The rotten old BBC never

:30:56.:31:03.

let you have your say! You looked the better for it. You look like a

:31:04.:31:07.

great pressure has lifted off your shoulders. I'm glad I got it off my

:31:08.:31:13.

chest. Are you ready to answer my questions, give me straight answers

:31:14.:31:17.

to my questions. I always give you straight answers. That's very

:31:18.:31:23.

decent. Out of curiosity, you probably think that I dream to this

:31:24.:31:29.

up in advance, but do you recognise the broad media coverage, skewed in

:31:30.:31:36.

one particular direction, Martina? I think what Sammy has done here today

:31:37.:31:39.

epitomises what Arlene Foster and the DUP have been doing for weeks,

:31:40.:31:45.

they are in denial. Not listening to the mood of the wider constituency,

:31:46.:31:49.

about the arguments in the DUP, and they will blame it on everybody, the

:31:50.:31:55.

world and its mother is to blame here. It's... Sammy, there was a

:31:56.:32:03.

problem with relation to a scheme that the First Minister designed and

:32:04.:32:08.

stripped out 17 words from a renewable heating scheme that were

:32:09.:32:12.

about cost controls. Which is now the subject of a public enquiry

:32:13.:32:16.

Reece Topley and by meeting with the Commissioner next month, the

:32:17.:32:22.

competition commissioner with regards to it. -- and -- which is

:32:23.:32:30.

now the subject of a public enquiry. And I am meeting with the

:32:31.:32:37.

competition Commissioner next month. Everybody else created the

:32:38.:32:40.

environment that got us to where we are today. I say to Sammy, that

:32:41.:32:44.

yourself, your leader, and a number of others have been in denial.

:32:45.:32:50.

Martina... You are the party that cost this country ?174 million

:32:51.:32:58.

because you would not accept the changes in welfare reform. I am

:32:59.:33:06.

proud of what we did, we are protecting the most vulnerable in

:33:07.:33:11.

society. As a result you deny people the opportunity to have the changes

:33:12.:33:15.

that were agreed by the executive and the government in the United

:33:16.:33:23.

Kingdom. And austerity driven government. You promised you would

:33:24.:33:27.

stand up for those people by handing it back to Westminster. Don't talk

:33:28.:33:34.

about arrogance or wasting money. Here is the point. Even know Sammy

:33:35.:33:38.

was kicking my shins, I will be fair to Sammy because I have broad enough

:33:39.:33:42.

shoulders, and I think the BBC has the broad shoulders to take the

:33:43.:33:45.

criticism he wants to throw in my direction or in our direction. That

:33:46.:33:51.

is fine. To be fair to Sammy Wilson, his party has actually performed

:33:52.:33:55.

pretty well so far. We are far enough away from knowing the final

:33:56.:33:59.

tally, but it's a pretty creditable performance so far and it looks like

:34:00.:34:03.

they might go back with 30 seats, they could reach the magic number.

:34:04.:34:07.

If they dipped below, it will only be by a little bit. You talk about

:34:08.:34:13.

this about being some sort of referendum or plebiscite on

:34:14.:34:17.

integrity and equality and so far. The DUP have done well so far. In

:34:18.:34:29.

the republican and nationalist community it was. Arlene Foster's

:34:30.:34:32.

so-called comments about so-called crocodiles and so on. It wasn't just

:34:33.:34:39.

republicans voting in this election. I'm talking about a constituency I

:34:40.:34:42.

am in contact with an engaging with the most. We take a read from the

:34:43.:34:49.

people we talk to. We have to translate that and feed it back. Our

:34:50.:34:53.

constituents are saying to us that this is not a Sinn Fein just demand.

:34:54.:35:00.

Constituents are saying we cannot go back into government unless we have

:35:01.:35:06.

a situation where the leader of the DUP is not tarnished in the way that

:35:07.:35:11.

she currently is. I will put it to Sammy because Gerry Adams just made

:35:12.:35:14.

that point as well. Two bits of news. Simon Hamilton has just been

:35:15.:35:20.

returned in his constituency of Strangford. He topped the poll in

:35:21.:35:26.

there. Danny Kennedy, the Ulster Unionists, is out in Newry and

:35:27.:35:31.

Armagh. Looking at pictures of Simon Hamilton, I think that's Jim Sharman

:35:32.:35:34.

and Peter Weir, Michelle McIlveen as well. Not the end of his political

:35:35.:35:41.

career necessarily, but it is for today, hitting the buffers. He was

:35:42.:35:46.

in a fight, and a lot of people thought he would probably prevail at

:35:47.:35:49.

the end of the day. I certainly thought he would. I didn't think he

:35:50.:35:54.

would be eliminated. For him and the DUP, this is a real blow. All three

:35:55.:35:59.

Sinn Fein candidates got in in Newry and Armagh. Reign this is, I

:36:00.:36:10.

suspect, another nail in his Coffin. This might be over egging the

:36:11.:36:15.

pudding, but Mike Nesbitt said in the week he would transfer to the

:36:16.:36:19.

SDLP. Almost immediately Danny Kennedy said he would certainly not

:36:20.:36:23.

follow his lead in my constituency. We had that slightly awkward moment

:36:24.:36:28.

where Mike Nesbitt said that's what he would be doing, and Danny Kennedy

:36:29.:36:33.

was over his shoulder smiling. It was awkward. It was very awkward.

:36:34.:36:40.

This is where the DUP and Sinn Fein, it's where I think they are

:36:41.:36:43.

incredibly strong, they gave every appearance, at least on the surface,

:36:44.:36:49.

of being united and strong parties, the DUP in particular. Occasionally

:36:50.:36:52.

you looked a bit more like the Osmonds and the Bogrias. But the UUP

:36:53.:37:03.

have never looked like that. There are enormous tensions in that party.

:37:04.:37:11.

There is something about Mike Nesbitt's leadership that has come

:37:12.:37:14.

to the fore. People have spoken to me about it. I think Danny Kennedy

:37:15.:37:20.

going is symptomatic of a party that is divided. Some people said in

:37:21.:37:24.

advance, if you talked to them quietly, if Mike was to go after a

:37:25.:37:29.

bad election, who would be the characters to take over, and Danny

:37:30.:37:33.

Kennedy's name was in the mix. Not any more it's not. There was the

:37:34.:37:39.

view he would take on it had he had thrown his hat in the ring. Had he

:37:40.:37:46.

had known. I suspect if Mike Nesbitt does go, although I suspect he will

:37:47.:37:50.

be re-elected in Strangford, but my money would be on Doug Beattie. The

:37:51.:37:56.

Ulster Unionist Party is quite unusual in that it's leadership

:37:57.:38:00.

election selector at who vote for the leader is the members, like

:38:01.:38:06.

Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party. If you have somebody like Doug Beattie who

:38:07.:38:09.

is personally very popular with members, then he has a very good

:38:10.:38:12.

chance to break through the Parliamentary politics. Stephen

:38:13.:38:17.

Aitken is another. You tend to analyse leadership party elections

:38:18.:38:25.

in terms of their party politics, but somebody like Doug Beattie could

:38:26.:38:29.

rise to the ranks overnight in a party like the UUP. Perhaps because

:38:30.:38:33.

he was a very well-known figure after his time as a high-profile

:38:34.:38:37.

television journalist. There was a familiarity death and people felt if

:38:38.:38:42.

he was successful... It was actually because he had an argument about

:38:43.:38:45.

going into opposition with the other candidate Jim McAllister and he

:38:46.:38:53.

argued against it. Another irony. A supreme irony. We will hear from Jim

:38:54.:38:57.

Mackay star later. You must have got to know Danny Kennedy pretty well

:38:58.:39:05.

down the years. I'm sorry to be, because Danny was a good, strong

:39:06.:39:10.

unionist representative, he held unionist views that I would be

:39:11.:39:13.

comfortable with. I think you'll be a great loss to the community there.

:39:14.:39:21.

I will also say that it will increase the sense of isolation from

:39:22.:39:27.

any unionists along the border, that a unionist has been replaced by a

:39:28.:39:31.

Sinn Fein representative. That's what people voted for, that's

:39:32.:39:35.

democracy. Yes, it's what people voted for, but I believe the

:39:36.:39:39.

unionist community at the border will feel more isolated now as a

:39:40.:39:43.

result of the emergence of more Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein has adopted this

:39:44.:39:48.

harder line and, despite all their talk about respect and everything

:39:49.:39:51.

else, they have shown little or no respect to the people who have been

:39:52.:39:55.

the victims of IRA terrorism along the border. One of the first things

:39:56.:40:00.

Michelle O'Neill did was honour people who went out to murder

:40:01.:40:03.

policemen. I thing it will increase a sense of isolation and anger

:40:04.:40:08.

amongst the unionist population. I'm sorry to see Danny go on a personal

:40:09.:40:11.

level because I got on very well with him. During my time in the

:40:12.:40:18.

Assembly we were able to work together on a number of things. A

:40:19.:40:22.

little update, we referenced earlier, Sinead Bradley in the

:40:23.:40:26.

neighbouring consistency of Southdown, the SDLP candidate, has

:40:27.:40:30.

been returned. Good news for her, but a bittersweet day because she

:40:31.:40:35.

buried her father today, PJ Bradley, who formerly served as an MLA for

:40:36.:40:38.

that constituency for the same party, and a lot of people had a

:40:39.:40:43.

great fondness for him. Again, PJ Bradley was in the Assembly from

:40:44.:40:46.

when I was there at the very start. He was a real gentleman. A lot of

:40:47.:40:52.

people have said that, and a lot of people have said Sinead Bradley was

:40:53.:40:56.

an impressive MLA for the eight months she was in the chamber. And

:40:57.:41:01.

her media performances. I want a very short answer to tee up a

:41:02.:41:05.

discussion we will have later, but how do you respond to Martina

:41:06.:41:10.

Anderson and how do you respond to Gerry Adams speaking to Tara there

:41:11.:41:14.

whenever he said that the DUP are not going to be back in government

:41:15.:41:19.

with us if Arlene Foster is their nominee for first or Deputy First

:41:20.:41:23.

Minister. Is there a way of squaring circle? A very simple answer to him,

:41:24.:41:27.

we will choose who will be our leader, we will choose who we

:41:28.:41:31.

nominate as First Minister and Arlene Foster, if there is this

:41:32.:41:35.

cloud which he says hangs over her head, it's only there because Sinn

:41:36.:41:41.

Fein delayed and deliberately delayed any investigation in the RHI

:41:42.:41:45.

scheme so that it would not be resolved before this election, and,

:41:46.:41:49.

indeed, they were the people who insisted that could be an inter-rim

:41:50.:41:52.

report. They were the people who insisted it had to be a six-month

:41:53.:41:57.

investigation by the judge. If there is any delay in finding out what

:41:58.:42:01.

role Arlene Foster and other ministers, because don't forget Sinn

:42:02.:42:05.

Fein ministers were involved. Michelle O'Neill was involved. She

:42:06.:42:11.

is as culpable as Arlene Foster. There are questions about the role

:42:12.:42:15.

of other Sinn Fein members who asked for this. It will all be

:42:16.:42:19.

investigated during the public enquiry. All I am saying is we will

:42:20.:42:24.

not let Sinn Fein tell us who our leader will be. Just to clarify,

:42:25.:42:28.

even if that means storm at doesn't get back up and running again? --

:42:29.:42:36.

Stormont doesn't get up and running again. Michelle O'Neill and her

:42:37.:42:43.

department ran exercises at the time when it was known RHI was being

:42:44.:42:48.

overspent. We haven't insisted she stand aside. We didn't at insist

:42:49.:42:54.

Michelle O'Neill stand aside because she commended IRA murderers who were

:42:55.:42:58.

trying to kill policeman. We will not dictate their lead and they

:42:59.:42:59.

shouldn't dictate hours. Now to let you know about, we have a

:43:00.:43:15.

re-count from Fermanagh South. Nobody elected, so, Stuart Dixon,

:43:16.:43:21.

the Alliance candidate is in East Antrim and South Antrim.

:43:22.:43:30.

And David Ford looking comfortable with 5278, first preferences. Declan

:43:31.:43:36.

concerny has been returned. He is the only person that is in. David

:43:37.:43:42.

Ford looking likely to get in there, maybe not immediately but a bit of

:43:43.:43:46.

redistribution going on there. When we hear more we will bring you up to

:43:47.:43:52.

speed. But let's go and crunch a few more numbers with mark.

:43:53.:43:59.

The purists tell you that single transferrable voting elections are

:44:00.:44:03.

not about counting up big piles of numbers but the clever party

:44:04.:44:07.

balances the votes between a number of candidates. Clever strategies.

:44:08.:44:12.

Not a beauty contest but in defiance of that, let's have a beauty contest

:44:13.:44:16.

and look at who has been piling up the votes! Let's have a look at the

:44:17.:44:22.

top ten vote-getters in the election and the five in contention for the

:44:23.:44:26.

wooden spoon. So, no question about it, Sinn Fein

:44:27.:44:30.

has done well in the election. And the Sinn Fein leader in Stormont,

:44:31.:44:34.

Michelle O'Neill topping the pile there.

:44:35.:44:39.

It is well to say you must balance the votes to maximise your chance of

:44:40.:44:44.

winning seats but if the vote share is up overall you don't have to

:44:45.:44:48.

worry so much. So here are the beneficiaries. Last night figures of

:44:49.:44:56.

80% vote in Michelle O'Neill's home tricked area, or where the ballot

:44:57.:45:05.

boxes were. So more than 10,000. And a remarkable vote for Sinead Ennis.

:45:06.:45:15.

In South Down. That was remarkable. And in Foyle in fifth place there,

:45:16.:45:20.

the new candidate. The DUP we knew that they would take

:45:21.:45:25.

hits but to the west, the candidates are putting in credible

:45:26.:45:30.

performances. William Irwin, and Keith but Canaan.

:45:31.:45:35.

Those are the seats where the Mike Nesbitt transfer will have had the

:45:36.:45:39.

worst reception. That's the top five. Let's have a

:45:40.:45:44.

look at the next set of vote-getters. One politicians that

:45:45.:45:52.

keeps in, Justin McNulty. And he is from Newry Armagh.

:45:53.:46:07.

He is the only non-non-candidate. And let's turn, by definition rather

:46:08.:46:14.

less well known characters. We don't have photographs of all of them.

:46:15.:46:19.

This is the lowest five vote-getters in Northern Ireland.

:46:20.:46:25.

So we'll move from this end where we have Adam Millar standing in North

:46:26.:46:30.

Belfast. He came from a family in the Shankill. He said he had family

:46:31.:46:37.

involvement, his father with the paramilitaries, helping those who

:46:38.:46:41.

had similar experiences to move away from them.

:46:42.:46:45.

Involved in social media but it does not get you votes.

:46:46.:46:51.

Arthur McGuinness. He has stood in Donegal. He lives across the border.

:46:52.:47:03.

Susan White. Well known. A strong Christian with fundamentalist views.

:47:04.:47:07.

Yes, and rather fewer people than last time. Those perhaps moving on.

:47:08.:47:23.

And there another candidate, and the ultimate wooden spoon going to Roger

:47:24.:47:33.

Lomas. And this is actually a worse

:47:34.:47:36.

performance than the Conservatives had in West Belfast in the

:47:37.:47:40.

Westminster election two years ago, that itself was the worst

:47:41.:47:45.

performance on record by a Conservative candidate in any main

:47:46.:47:48.

stream election. So, Roger Lomas, not a happy man

:47:49.:47:51.

tonight. Thank you very much. Not a great day

:47:52.:47:57.

at the office for Roger Lomas. The Conservative candidate. Interesting

:47:58.:48:04.

things happening in Fermanagh South Tyrone. What is happening

:48:05.:48:10.

Julian? Well, an announcement was made that a re-count is under way in

:48:11.:48:16.

Fermanagh South Tyrone. I suppose it would not be an election here

:48:17.:48:20.

without a re-count. We are used to this. But no reason has been given.

:48:21.:48:26.

This is the sec stage of transfers. Nobody deemed elected on the first

:48:27.:48:30.

preference votes. So a number of candidates eliminated. The Alliance

:48:31.:48:38.

candidate, the Conservatives, TUV, Green and the Labour Alliance. So

:48:39.:48:45.

3480 votes being redistributed. Arlene Foster topped the poll but

:48:46.:48:49.

didn't get enough to get over the quota. She was 232 votes short. Her

:48:50.:48:56.

personal vote dropped slightly on the election last year. If she had

:48:57.:49:01.

maintained the vote she received last year it would have been enough

:49:02.:49:10.

to get across the increased quota. Interestingly, Lord Morrows vote

:49:11.:49:14.

went up and the DUP vote increased slightly. So it seems there was some

:49:15.:49:20.

vote management to play here. Not just Arlene Foster's vote dropping

:49:21.:49:24.

from the last election. The other thing to keep an eye on is

:49:25.:49:33.

Sinn Fein. The former MLA, Shaun Lynch is sitting third out of the

:49:34.:49:39.

three candidates. He is some 1700 votes behind and the Ulster Unionist

:49:40.:49:43.

is hoping that they can pick up some of the transfers and they may secure

:49:44.:49:48.

the final seat. At the moment they are breaking open the votes again

:49:49.:49:51.

and going through the transfers. If I find out more as to why they are

:49:52.:49:56.

re-counting, I will let you know. Julian, thank you very much.

:49:57.:50:01.

Julian Fowler at the firm firm re-count.

:50:02.:50:07.

We saw shots of the DUP leader, Arlene Foster reading the Daily

:50:08.:50:14.

Telegraph alongside Lord Morrow. They seem to have done well. Any

:50:15.:50:19.

thoughts as to what may be going on there? A total re-count or just at

:50:20.:50:25.

this stage? Probably of the stage. They can do that rather than a full

:50:26.:50:30.

re-count. You would re-count a full at the end of stage one.

:50:31.:50:37.

Who gets the re-counted distributors? Yes.

:50:38.:50:41.

It makes a difference? Yes. You can't make or break who makes it

:50:42.:50:46.

through. I didn't introduce you, welcome,

:50:47.:50:52.

Stephen Farry, of the Alliance. Yes.

:50:53.:50:58.

We spoke to you earlier, basking in the glory of your re-election to

:50:59.:51:04.

what, precisely? Indeed. That is the issue that we are tempered by.

:51:05.:51:07.

Exactly what we are getting ourselves into. Obviously the party

:51:08.:51:11.

is having a good day. Our best result in terms of the number of

:51:12.:51:17.

votes achieved for 30 years and also in terms of the share vote as well.

:51:18.:51:23.

But the rest of the middle ground is falling away. Claire Sugden has had

:51:24.:51:27.

a good day. We have spoken to her. She's not secured the seat. But is

:51:28.:51:33.

on course to holding on to the seat. That is great for an Independent.

:51:34.:51:38.

Not easy to do. You have done well in the Alliance Party. It looks like

:51:39.:51:43.

you can hold on to the eight seats but not good for the Ulster Unionist

:51:44.:51:52.

Party? Looking at my constituency, 40% of the votes were cast away from

:51:53.:51:57.

the two main unionist parties. In what was a traditional unionist

:51:58.:52:02.

bastion. So there is a difference in how people are viewing politics. The

:52:03.:52:05.

party is growing across Northern Ireland. We are up in almost every,

:52:06.:52:11.

or all 18 of the constituencies and well up in some places.

:52:12.:52:16.

Somebody said to me last night the first turn out figures were coming

:52:17.:52:21.

in, we were getting ready to go on air, with a view, it was said, if

:52:22.:52:28.

the figures go up, this group here are back out, it could be a good day

:52:29.:52:33.

for the Alliance Party and for the Ulster Unionist Party but clearly it

:52:34.:52:38.

was not the case, it was not Garden Centre Unionists? Clearly no. There

:52:39.:52:44.

is a rise in the Sinn Fein that vote has been mobilised more than in the

:52:45.:52:51.

past. There was an association that the nonvoters are more centrally

:52:52.:52:56.

minded on the hole. That may be true on the margins. So it is very much a

:52:57.:53:04.

mixed factor. What I believe is significant is an evolution in terms

:53:05.:53:09.

of sections of the electorate away from the traditional unionist and

:53:10.:53:15.

nationalist politics. In the election campaigns we have spoken

:53:16.:53:22.

about the battle for the unionism and for the nationalism, and now

:53:23.:53:28.

that is changing. The aligns is now at the heart.

:53:29.:53:34.

But the DUP vote was strong last May. It is only down 1.1 verse. The

:53:35.:53:40.

Sinn Fein vote was not out in the number it is is now. It is up 3.9%.

:53:41.:53:46.

It may have held solid in the middle. But it is doing well at

:53:47.:53:51.

opposite ends of the spectrum as far as the DUP and Sinn Fein are

:53:52.:53:57.

concerned? Indeed. And we have a clearly dominant unionist and

:53:58.:54:06.

nationalist party. The aft and the -- the unionist and the nationalist

:54:07.:54:11.

parties are strong but the bottom line is that the DUP cannot govern

:54:12.:54:16.

Northern Ireland alone, the Sinn Fein cannot govern Northern Ireland

:54:17.:54:21.

alone. We are seeing that the DUP cannot govern Northern Ireland

:54:22.:54:27.

alone. We must work together on the mandates for the common good. If we

:54:28.:54:31.

are just looking after our own interests, it is the road to

:54:32.:54:34.

nowhere. Does that mean if you are in a

:54:35.:54:38.

position to take the seat in the executive, if the Assembly is up and

:54:39.:54:42.

running that the Alliance will do that? We don't run to be in

:54:43.:54:47.

opposition. We want the maximum influence. We can have it on the

:54:48.:54:52.

floor of the Assembly and the executive but the decision is taken

:54:53.:54:58.

based on policy and how the executive works and our bill is to

:54:59.:55:02.

deliver on our mandate and to see the seed of the common good in

:55:03.:55:05.

Northern Ireland reflected in the way that the party is working.

:55:06.:55:10.

So we are up for discussion. I want to look in detail about the

:55:11.:55:15.

unfolding situation in Newry Armagh. A short time ago we heard

:55:16.:55:22.

Danny Kennedy, the Ulster Unionist candidate, the former Deputy Leader

:55:23.:55:26.

had lost his seat in Newry Armagh. He gave his reaction to our

:55:27.:55:29.

reporter. It hurts, and it hurts a lot. I have

:55:30.:55:35.

had the honour to represent this constituency since 1998. It's been a

:55:36.:55:39.

huge honour and a responsibility to me.

:55:40.:55:43.

I want to thank those who supported me down through the years and the

:55:44.:55:47.

party election team and my wife and family.

:55:48.:55:52.

Yes, it is disappointing but these things happen in politics.

:55:53.:55:59.

Enoch Powell said all political careers end in tears but I prefer

:56:00.:56:04.

Adelaide Stephenson who said when he was defeated he said he was too

:56:05.:56:11.

tired to laugh and too old to cry... What do you think were the factors

:56:12.:56:17.

that went against you in this fight? I think there was clearly a surge

:56:18.:56:22.

from the Sinn Fein and we always knew that was possible. I had

:56:23.:56:29.

warned, with that, through the campaign and sometimes when that

:56:30.:56:35.

tide comes in it simply washed us away. I am disappointed from a

:56:36.:56:41.

pro-union point of view. Because 17,000 unionist votes to have only

:56:42.:56:46.

one seat I think is not a fair representation for the constituency.

:56:47.:56:52.

There was controversy in the campaign when Mike Nesbitt said he

:56:53.:56:56.

was giving his number two to the SDLP and you wanted to vote down the

:56:57.:57:01.

unionist ticket, did that work against you? And perhaps the

:57:02.:57:05.

nationalists who may have given a number two decide not to do so in

:57:06.:57:11.

the context of that? I think that the welcome Twort tide produced by

:57:12.:57:16.

the Sinn Fein swept everyonels away, and the second unionist seat. It was

:57:17.:57:21.

always possible no matter who said what.

:57:22.:57:25.

What is the future for you now Mr Kennedy? I will have to look at

:57:26.:57:30.

that. I'm a grandfather. There is more to life than politics.

:57:31.:57:36.

There are people facing serious issues in their personal life. This

:57:37.:57:41.

is a disappointing and a political setback. Yes, it is fair to say that

:57:42.:57:46.

I'm very disappointed. But there are other things there.

:57:47.:57:51.

I have the support of a wife and family and we'll look to a better

:57:52.:57:55.

day. No surprise that Danny Kennedy

:57:56.:57:58.

should be bitterly disappointed. He said he was too tired to laugh,

:57:59.:58:04.

and too old to cry at the news that he has lost his seat in Newry

:58:05.:58:08.

Armagh. That will be a bitter blow to him. He was the deputy speaker in

:58:09.:58:15.

the last Assembly. Confirmation that in West Belfast, Alex Maskey of Sinn

:58:16.:58:20.

Fein and Jerry Carol of People Before Profit Alliance have been

:58:21.:58:26.

returned. There is Jerry Carrol with his supporters. Basking in the glory

:58:27.:58:31.

of holding on to his seat. There is Alex Maskey and the Sinn Fein

:58:32.:58:34.

supporters pleased with that result from his point of view.

:58:35.:58:42.

No representation from the SDLP any more in west Belfast. Once upon a

:58:43.:58:48.

time the SDLP held the Westminster seat in west Belfast. Let's take a

:58:49.:58:54.

look at the Newry and Armagh result in full. I have it here. Taking a

:58:55.:59:02.

look. That's the result after three stages. William Irwin, Cathal

:59:03.:59:09.

Boylan, Justin McNulty and Conor Murphy returned. The turnout was

:59:10.:59:15.

69.4%. It pretty impressive turnout by any standard. That's with five of

:59:16.:59:21.

the five seats returned. There is the share. 48.3% for Sinn Fein. Way

:59:22.:59:28.

ahead of everybody else. DUP at 17.8%.

:59:29.:59:39.

The interesting one, there should be change, from last May, the Sinn Fein

:59:40.:59:52.

vote is up 7.4%. The DUP up a little bit, SDLP and UUP down a little bit,

:59:53.:00:01.

and Alliance up a little bit. There you go, that's the picture in Newry

:00:02.:00:05.

and Armagh, the first completed a result that I have worked my way

:00:06.:00:10.

through. David Ford, the former Alliance party leader is joining me

:00:11.:00:15.

from his count, the South Antrim count. David Ford, good afternoon,

:00:16.:00:20.

thank you for joining us. We saw a picture of you earlier talking to

:00:21.:00:24.

your party colleague Stewart Dickson, a life link has been

:00:25.:00:29.

returned in East Antrim. -- who I think has been returned. That's

:00:30.:00:34.

confirmed, Stewart Dickson has taken a second seat in East Antrim. And

:00:35.:00:42.

you are pretty confident, in third position at the moment. I have been

:00:43.:00:47.

third all the way through and will almost certainly when that third

:00:48.:00:51.

seat in South Antrim, yes. It was not possible to be sure quite what

:00:52.:00:56.

would happen here. Some said you needed to watch yourself, there was

:00:57.:00:59.

a possibility in a certain scenario you could lose that's it. Were you

:01:00.:01:03.

concerned that could be the case? The reality is last year I was

:01:04.:01:12.

fairly busy as a minister of justice leading up to the election. But I've

:01:13.:01:16.

had more time to concentrate on the constituency recently. That has been

:01:17.:01:21.

part of the fact, as well as a wider swing to Alliance across Northern

:01:22.:01:24.

Ireland, so I'm pleased to see that. When you start in third and know you

:01:25.:01:28.

will finish third, it's very satisfactory compared to a bit of

:01:29.:01:32.

concern last year. What's your reading, and we have heard from

:01:33.:01:35.

Stephen Farry, who has shared his thoughts with us, what's your

:01:36.:01:39.

assessment? You like the numbers as well of precisely what we are

:01:40.:01:48.

witnessing here. The centre ground around Alliance has held firm but

:01:49.:01:51.

fallen away for the UUP and SDLP. But Sinn Fein looks to have had a

:01:52.:01:54.

great election and DUP has held firm. Make of that what you can.

:01:55.:01:57.

There has clearly been a differential turnout that has

:01:58.:02:01.

increased the Sinn Fein vote significantly. One of the funny

:02:02.:02:04.

things about being at an election count is that you get so wrapped up

:02:05.:02:07.

with your own constituency you forget about the whole. You in the

:02:08.:02:11.

studio get a better picture of the whole of Northern Ireland. It's

:02:12.:02:16.

clear that significantly our vote has gone up percentage wise and

:02:17.:02:21.

overall terms. It's very encouraging, and in areas where we

:02:22.:02:26.

have not previously done well, we have respectable votes in areas like

:02:27.:02:29.

Southdown and North Antrim, as well as into the West. What do you

:02:30.:02:34.

attribute that to? There has been a change of leadership. You were busy

:02:35.:02:39.

doing the Justice job and handed on the baton of leadership to Naomi

:02:40.:02:44.

Long. People said she put in strong performances leading up to the

:02:45.:02:48.

election. Your share of the vote is up 2.1%, 7% last time to 9.1%.

:02:49.:02:54.

That's not insignificant under the circumstances. What do you think the

:02:55.:03:00.

reason for that is? Faced with the fact four parties are going through

:03:01.:03:04.

difficulties because of the reduction in a number of seats, to

:03:05.:03:09.

see Alliance holding solid on eight, and at other couple of

:03:10.:03:19.

constituencies as well, and Naomi Long has looked strong on

:03:20.:03:22.

television. We have heard positive things on the doorstep in South

:03:23.:03:30.

Antrim about the Alliance leadership. It's clear we are seen

:03:31.:03:34.

as representing something different. An entirely different set of values

:03:35.:03:38.

from the slightly more moderate unionism nationalist sentiment.

:03:39.:03:50.

Eight out of 90 is a significantly higher proportion than eight out of

:03:51.:03:54.

108. Thank you for sparing us a few minutes at this stage. We will no

:03:55.:04:00.

doubt talk later tonight or tomorrow. Let's hear from Julian

:04:01.:04:08.

Fowler. We were talking about the recount in Fermanagh and South

:04:09.:04:11.

Tyrone. Do you have more information on what is happening? I have been

:04:12.:04:15.

told the recount was requested by the SDLP because they are currently

:04:16.:04:22.

lying in last place. 48 votes behind Sinn Fein's Sean Lynch, following

:04:23.:04:29.

the redistribution of the votes of five candidates, following the first

:04:30.:04:33.

preference votes. That amounts to some 3480 votes that they are

:04:34.:04:39.

redistributing. They say they want to go through them again and make

:04:40.:04:43.

sure no mistakes have been made. If Richie McPhillips is in last place,

:04:44.:04:47.

he would be eliminated at this stage. I am also hearing that

:04:48.:04:52.

following the redistribution of those votes, Arlene Foster would be

:04:53.:04:55.

deemed elected, but we have to wait for the outcome of this recount

:04:56.:04:59.

before we know for sure what the state of play is. Just to be clear,

:05:00.:05:04.

who would be in contention for the fifth and final seat? The fifth and

:05:05.:05:10.

final seat will come down to Sean Lynch from the Sinn Fein, former

:05:11.:05:18.

MLA, and also the Ulster Unionists' Rosemary Barton. It seems she might

:05:19.:05:22.

have leapfrogged Sean Lynch following the redistribution of the

:05:23.:05:25.

first preference votes. But it will then come down to where the SDLP

:05:26.:05:31.

votes will be transferred. Will they be cross community transfers as

:05:32.:05:35.

happened last week? Richie McPhillips won the sixth seat last

:05:36.:05:40.

year by getting UUP votes, but this time will be is SDLP votes go to

:05:41.:05:44.

Sinn Fein to help Sean Lynch or will they help Rosemary Barton?

:05:45.:05:48.

Fascinating, because we know Richie McPhillips picked up a lot more

:05:49.:05:52.

transfers than he needed to secure the sixth seat last May. We also

:05:53.:05:56.

know Sinn Fein isn't necessarily terribly transfer friendly. It will

:05:57.:06:00.

be a very interesting one to keep an eye on. Thanks for keeping us up to

:06:01.:06:08.

speed. We can go to Tara who I think has been joined by Gerry Carroll,

:06:09.:06:11.

who has been celebrating his success, returned as an MLA for West

:06:12.:06:19.

Belfast. Congratulations to Gerry Carroll. Not taking away from your

:06:20.:06:23.

victory, but it's not the one it was last year. It was a smaller

:06:24.:06:28.

constituency, five seats. We had two candidates, myself and the excellent

:06:29.:06:34.

candidate, Michael Collins. It's been an excellent campaign. It's a

:06:35.:06:44.

great result for People Before Profit in west Belfast. It's fair to

:06:45.:06:48.

say the establishment parties threw everything at us. Sinn Fein and the

:06:49.:06:51.

DUP, and on the ground in west Belfast it became about throwing

:06:52.:06:57.

everything against People Before Profit. To get 6000 votes in West

:06:58.:07:02.

Belfast in that context is a good result for People Before Profit. Do

:07:03.:07:06.

you think the drop in your personal vote, you are spreading it between

:07:07.:07:10.

two candidates, but is there still a Brexit element, people who are

:07:11.:07:16.

unhappy with you, who don't agree with your views on Brexit. Brexit is

:07:17.:07:23.

a media creation. We opposed the EU on a left-wing, socialists and

:07:24.:07:31.

point. Look at what the EU has demanded of the people on the south

:07:32.:07:38.

of Ireland. Demanding water charges. People in Greece said no to

:07:39.:07:42.

austerity and the EU said you have to do have austerity whatever what.

:07:43.:07:50.

The EU represents austerity. People Before Profit opposes the EU on

:07:51.:07:55.

those terms. There was a lot of scaremongering, particularly in West

:07:56.:07:58.

Belfast, by establishment parties. And also people voted Sinn Fein,

:07:59.:08:02.

there was an increase across the North because people thought that by

:08:03.:08:04.

voting for Sinn Fein it would be the best way to stand up against

:08:05.:08:08.

corruption as they see it and stand up against the DUP. If they call for

:08:09.:08:18.

the books to be opened on things like RHI among others. Performing

:08:19.:08:24.

well in West Belfast but not so good elsewhere. Your colleague has

:08:25.:08:27.

conceded in foil, is that right? The latest I have heard is that a has

:08:28.:08:39.

conceded in Foyle it was always going to be a tough seat. But the

:08:40.:08:43.

team did a great job in Derry. They put everything into it and is vote

:08:44.:08:46.

went up in the end but it doesn't much like it went up enough for

:08:47.:08:50.

Eamon to retain the seat. What can you do going back in if the Assembly

:08:51.:08:57.

gets up and running again? We will have two feet in Stormont but we

:08:58.:09:00.

will have thousands of feet in the streets. Around 6000 people behind

:09:01.:09:05.

us in West Belfast. The vote overall in other areas went up overall. Even

:09:06.:09:12.

in Derry it went up. The campaign in South Antrim, we got more than 500

:09:13.:09:19.

votes there. South Belfast as well, more than 500 votes. The vote has

:09:20.:09:24.

gone up and we have a bigger mandate across. For ourselves in Stormont,

:09:25.:09:28.

it will be a voice for people power, against cutbacks, and a voice

:09:29.:09:31.

encouraging people to stand up and fight back against the

:09:32.:09:36.

establishment, be it Brussels, London or Stormont itself. Gerry

:09:37.:09:41.

Carroll, thank you and well done in your election. We have refreshed the

:09:42.:09:49.

table once again. Speaking about South down first where you were an

:09:50.:09:58.

MLA. Sinead Ennis replaced you, got 10,256, and she is the

:09:59.:10:02.

second-highest first preference vote getter, two votes behind Michelle

:10:03.:10:05.

O'Neill. How embarrassing would it have been for her to beat Michelle

:10:06.:10:09.

O'Neill at the top table? It wouldn't have been embarrassing I

:10:10.:10:16.

was Sinead's election agent. I am delighted that we have a woman

:10:17.:10:20.

replacing me. I'm the chair of the woman's caucus in Stormont and I

:10:21.:10:24.

want to see good and radical women in politics. Here is the ultimate

:10:25.:10:29.

young radical woman as far as your party is concerned, Michelle

:10:30.:10:32.

O'Neill, live pictures of her arriving at the Titanic exhibition

:10:33.:10:35.

Centre. Let's see if we can hear what she is saying. Archibald,

:10:36.:10:40.

Sinead Ennis, it's an amazing day and thank you so much to the Electra

:10:41.:10:44.

two came out in strong numbers. The vote has increased and I think

:10:45.:10:46.

that's because people knew action had to be taken. They have had their

:10:47.:10:50.

say and we need to get down to the business of fixing what is wrong and

:10:51.:10:57.

do well for all citizens because we are against inequality. Michelle

:10:58.:11:00.

O'Neill's comments to the media as she makes her way through the scrum

:11:01.:11:04.

surrounded by significant figures in Sinn Fein. Some of them you will

:11:05.:11:07.

know, some of them you probably won't recognise. They are backroom

:11:08.:11:13.

staff at Stormont. It's a good day for her, she's obviously pleased to

:11:14.:11:19.

be returning. Just to finish on South down, what is significant in

:11:20.:11:22.

Foyle and South down, for the first time ever Sinn Fein have

:11:23.:11:26.

significantly outpolled the SDLP. I think that's very significant.

:11:27.:11:31.

Sinead Ennis has done marvellously, as has Chris Hazard. We saw Flynn

:11:32.:11:40.

alongside Michelle O'Neill as well. It's something parties need to look

:11:41.:11:45.

at, young women, it's what the electorate want, a diversity of

:11:46.:11:47.

candidates, and they want women candidates. We are seeing more and

:11:48.:11:52.

more young female candidates doing very well. There are other women

:11:53.:11:56.

doing well in other parties as well. I am talking about all parties. I do

:11:57.:12:02.

want to see young women in all parties doing well. I have friends

:12:03.:12:05.

in every single party and I want to see them doing well because there

:12:06.:12:09.

are far too few women in politics. I hope this is the beginning of change

:12:10.:12:13.

in that. Do you look forward to the time when we don't even have to make

:12:14.:12:17.

that point, it's not a conversation piece? But we still do have to make

:12:18.:12:23.

it. When you look at the figures in terms of the last Assembly, the

:12:24.:12:27.

number of women LMA 's was significantly. We don't know what it

:12:28.:12:33.

will be at this stage, in the south of Ireland it went up. I see there

:12:34.:12:38.

are a couple of women in trouble and I am sad to see that. I don't like

:12:39.:12:43.

to see Sandra in trouble. I don't know what the situation is in

:12:44.:12:47.

relation to that now. I hope Paula Bradley does well in north Belfast.

:12:48.:12:51.

I hope women from all across the political spectrum do well. Alliance

:12:52.:12:53.

have some very strong women. In second place was Carol McKinnon

:12:54.:13:08.

but pretty comfortable, I would have thought with 5900. Nuala McAllister

:13:09.:13:15.

looks like she will not make it for the Alliance Party. And many doing

:13:16.:13:20.

well. Carla Lockhart is doing well in her constituency.

:13:21.:13:25.

There is a sea change. Where does Arlene Foster fit into

:13:26.:13:29.

the sisterhood here? What I would like to see Newton, what I think is

:13:30.:13:34.

important is that women are represented at all levels of the

:13:35.:13:37.

political level. Arlene Foster is not somebody with the same opinions

:13:38.:13:40.

as I. I think we can safely say that is

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true, Nuala! But I believe in quotas, I'm a feminist but I

:13:48.:13:51.

welcomed the fact that Arlene Foster was elected the leader.

:13:52.:13:57.

Arlene Foster said she was a feminist because she didn't believe

:13:58.:14:02.

in quotas? I believe we need quotas. If you look at over the decades, in

:14:03.:14:08.

the north and the south, we've got some of the worst records in Europe

:14:09.:14:16.

in the world. And so has ngland because of their first-past-the-post

:14:17.:14:19.

system. I want to see a range of women. What is fascinating about

:14:20.:14:23.

this Assembly is the number of pregnant women getting elected. That

:14:24.:14:29.

shows that no longer is the preserve, one of men and two, of

:14:30.:14:33.

maybe older women, who have raced their families, like me, I am on the

:14:34.:14:38.

second generation of grandchildren, as in the past that has happened.

:14:39.:14:42.

It is good. That number is two? It is more than

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two. It is three. Two that we know of? Three that we

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know of. Well I know of two.

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It is better to see women making it and I'm pleased for the women fwh

:14:56.:15:00.

our party who have done well and added to our vote, I believe, as we

:15:01.:15:06.

did have them but they have done it on their merit. They did not do it

:15:07.:15:11.

because of a quota, there was a special place held for them, they

:15:12.:15:16.

did it as they competed with men, they were the better candidate, they

:15:17.:15:21.

were chosen by the electorate. I love the way merit comes up when

:15:22.:15:25.

women start doing well. Fair play to them.

:15:26.:15:30.

Let's pause for a second or two. There are many more numbers to be

:15:31.:15:35.

crunched. The man to be doing that on our behalf is of course Mark

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Davenport. One constituency where we reported

:15:41.:15:46.

last year on the loss of a most long standing women politicians was Upper

:15:47.:15:50.

Bann, when Dolores Kelly lost out. But look at what's happening here

:15:51.:15:54.

right now. This could be a long and a complex count. Carla Lockhart, who

:15:55.:16:00.

we were talking about got a good personal vote. She has been elected.

:16:01.:16:07.

That was on the basis of the DUP again topping the poll for vote

:16:08.:16:11.

share. Let's have a look at how things were changing. A very good

:16:12.:16:15.

result for the DUP and Sinn Fein. That's right. The Sinn Fein vote is

:16:16.:16:23.

up and the SDLP up is up as well. The Ulster Unionist Party defending

:16:24.:16:27.

two seats, looking likely to be voted down.

:16:28.:16:32.

Let's have a look at the count. Kara Lockhart at the top of the pile is

:16:33.:16:38.

elected. Doll are yes, sir Kelly is down there in sixth position --

:16:39.:16:46.

DDolores Kelly is down in seventh position, looking like she will miss

:16:47.:16:51.

out in stage one. But let's hop through it is interesting now on

:16:52.:16:56.

stage two isn't it? We are getting to a point where Tara Doyle, the

:16:57.:17:03.

Alliance candidate will be eliminated. 3,000 votes. Who will

:17:04.:17:09.

they go to? There are three unionist and three nationalist candidates.

:17:10.:17:14.

The nationalist candidates 2.2 quotas between them, the unionist,

:17:15.:17:21.

2.3 quotes between them. So, the two nationalist seats, the two unionist

:17:22.:17:28.

seats but which will they be? At the moment, Dobson and Kelly are behind

:17:29.:17:38.

but Tara Doyle could transform that. They could pull ahead. This is a

:17:39.:17:41.

seat where there is still a lot to play for.

:17:42.:17:46.

Not a done deal. And another area where it is not a done deal is north

:17:47.:17:51.

Belfast. Here is the DUP the top of the pile. Sinn Fein is close behind.

:17:52.:17:57.

Let's have a look at how it changed. A drop for the DUP.

:17:58.:18:03.

Absolutely, two quote Cold Wars. But both nationalist parties put on

:18:04.:18:08.

votes? There was a sense that they had underperformed but this cowl be

:18:09.:18:12.

a reverse to the mean. And hopping ahead to see how the

:18:13.:18:16.

personalities are doing, Sinn Fein are the top two. But Nichola mallion

:18:17.:18:25.

also doing well. Is there a possible three nationalist quotas? Yes, and

:18:26.:18:31.

also a possible three unionist quotas.

:18:32.:18:35.

We are to hop a stage to hurry this up. Here we can see potentially

:18:36.:18:42.

there will be unionist eliminated from the bottom. This will be pull

:18:43.:18:48.

the DUP candidates up. Indeed, and adding the votes

:18:49.:18:53.

together, there are 277 quotas for the nationalist candidates and 2.6

:18:54.:18:59.

quotas for the unionist candidates. Not counting the Alliance, 0.6,

:19:00.:19:04.

which is to decide if they are a nationalist or a unionist? So we

:19:05.:19:12.

cannot count Nichola mallion out. But it is remarkable we are talking

:19:13.:19:16.

about the possibility of three DUP to be elected when they have less

:19:17.:19:22.

than two Croatars to begin with. Thank you very much -- less than two

:19:23.:19:31.

quotas to begin with. So, let's clarify what is going on.

:19:32.:19:43.

Not too many candidates, or nonsnapping at heels for Mr Crawford

:19:44.:19:49.

but the situation in Strangford, Stephen, what can you tells about

:19:50.:19:53.

the situation in Strangford, is it becoming clearer? It will be clearer

:19:54.:20:02.

as the minutes tick by the situation is that Kelly Armstrong Alliance has

:20:03.:20:09.

been elected. And Simon Hamilton so two for DUP. They think also that

:20:10.:20:16.

mish I will McIlveen will be elected soon and the fifth seat, could be a

:20:17.:20:21.

battle. The Ulster Unionist Party are confident that Mike Nesbitt will

:20:22.:20:25.

be elected. So the way that the breakdown could go in Strangford is

:20:26.:20:31.

three for the DUP, one for the Ulster Unionists and one for

:20:32.:20:38.

Alliance and the challenge from Jonathan Bell did not really come.

:20:39.:20:44.

Thank you very much. I think I'm in serious need of some more numbers

:20:45.:20:49.

and graphics. Can you help us Mark? I have lots of them. 35 seats

:20:50.:20:55.

filled. You can stheem spread around our virtual map. The 18

:20:56.:21:00.

constituencies have squeezed together. Let's drill down the

:21:01.:21:05.

numbers. West to West Tyrone to see who is in there. Three seats filled.

:21:06.:21:11.

The best known figures is the one at the bottom, Barry McIll duff. So

:21:12.:21:20.

from West of the Bann to the east to Roy Beggs. I think he is in. Roy

:21:21.:21:27.

Beggs Junior keeping the flag flying for his dad. And well known face,

:21:28.:21:33.

David hilled itch and Stuart Dickson of the Alliance Party.

:21:34.:21:39.

Let's have a look at south down to see what is happening there. This in

:21:40.:21:44.

terms of nationalismcism the story of the election. Sinn Fein are doing

:21:45.:21:49.

well. Two people in so far, including the former minister, Chris

:21:50.:21:54.

Hazard. So far, so good, for Sinn Fein! OK. Thank you very much Mark

:21:55.:22:03.

for that. Very helpful indeed. Interesting pictures unfolding

:22:04.:22:05.

across the constituencies and on the bigger picture as well. As far as

:22:06.:22:14.

the parties are concerned we have in a couple of minutes before we hit

:22:15.:22:20.

the 6.00pm news, folks, let's talk overview. Sammy, the thoughts of

:22:21.:22:24.

where we are at this point in the day? We are pleased as a party that

:22:25.:22:30.

the overall vote held up. Despite all of the difficulties we faced

:22:31.:22:35.

during the election. It now faces a challenge, of course, after the

:22:36.:22:39.

election as to whether or not Sinn Fein dig their heels in and don't

:22:40.:22:43.

show the kind of respect that they have talked about, wishing to have

:22:44.:22:50.

shown to them. Katrina? Sinn Fein are pleased with

:22:51.:22:56.

their result. What is significant is the number of new people voting. And

:22:57.:23:02.

Brexit was obviously such a key issue, some of the new people are

:23:03.:23:07.

the ethnic minorities. I hope we get more.

:23:08.:23:12.

Stephen? People are in touch with the politics, that is a good sign

:23:13.:23:19.

but we need to keep them remaining to be engaged. We need to do a

:23:20.:23:24.

massive job in the weeks ahead to keep a stable government in place.

:23:25.:23:28.

We have seen some remarkable developments. It is clear that the

:23:29.:23:33.

DUP and the Sinn Fein will be returning to Stormont as the largest

:23:34.:23:39.

parties but it is not clear how many seats they will fill. Not a good day

:23:40.:23:47.

for the SDLP and the Democratic Unionist Party both losing high

:23:48.:23:51.

professional names. It looks likely to hold on to its

:23:52.:24:00.

seats, the Alliance Party. Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neill topped

:24:01.:24:08.

the polls in their constituencies and the DUP, kept ahead by 1100

:24:09.:24:13.

votes. There is lots nor play throughout the evening. BBC Newsline

:24:14.:24:24.

is back before 6.30pm. And we are back with full coverage later. It

:24:25.:24:29.

will be a very interesting evening. Stay tuned. We are with the count on

:24:30.:24:35.

through to midnight. From then, from all of us. Thank you for your time.

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We will have a panel of guests. There will be other politicians a

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joining us. We are talking to the experts from the various centres and

:24:50.:24:55.

a panel of experts and Mark Davenport and his guests, Nicholas

:24:56.:24:59.

White and others crunching the numbers for us. Until then, from all

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of us.

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An election programme special presented by Mark Carruthers and Tara Mills, with reporters at every count centre across Northern Ireland and experts on hand to analyse the latest assembly election results.