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Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source. | :00:11. | :00:13. | |
I'm not in the BBC Newsroom as I normally am. I'm in Johannesburg in | :00:14. | :00:23. | |
South Africa. We have new graphics to allow me to pull together the | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
elements of the main stories of the day. This time we can do it wherever | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
we choose, which is a fantastic new facility we'll be using plenty over | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
the next few months. It's 11. 30pm here. It's a cool evening after a | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
hot afternoon and a furious storm a few hours ago. I was up at the main | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
campus earlier, the main subject of conversation remains student | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
protests, primarily three major ones last week in South Africa, which | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
closed three campuses. Two have re-opened. One has closed | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
indefinitely. This has reignited the questions about why there are so | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
many protests and the degree to which university management and the | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
government will listen. We will cover the other main stories. We | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
look at Super Tuesday, which is playing out in the US in 11 states | :01:16. | :01:23. | |
with massive amounts at stake. We also talk about Calais, the camp | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
there being cleared for the second day by the French | :01:27. | :01:27. | |
thordsment -- French authorities. If you have any questions here BBC | :01:28. | :01:50. | |
OS is the har tag. Or get me at BBC Ross Atkins. Let's show you where we | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
are. Here is Johannesburg, the biggest city by far by altitude. | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
There was nothing here, if you go to the middle of the 19th century. Then | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
gold was discovered. If we drill gold was discovered. If we drill | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
right in, you get the impression of how this university is positioned | :02:11. | :02:18. | |
right in town. We are going to concentrate not so much at what the | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
happening at Wits in the past couple of weeks, but what's happening at | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
three other locations. North Western University in Mahikeng | :02:25. | :02:34. | |
has been closed indefinitely and all students sent home, | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
after several buildings Violent exchanges between Stuart | :02:38. | :02:45. | |
forces and protesters. A number of people were injured in | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
that. That was about the use of Afrikaans | :02:49. | :02:56. | |
in university. That same issue has been playing out in Pretoria. | :02:57. | :03:04. | |
And in Bloemfontein protesters who interrupted a rugby match | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
White student who were watching the game came onto the pitch too. | :03:10. | :03:17. | |
Violent, shocking scenes played out as they did in Bloemfontein in the | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
You look at this and you get the evening as well. | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
You look at this and you get the impression that this is a powder keg | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
that race relations are undermining South Africa's progress. This is | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
interesting. A new survey, conducted bit South African Institute of Race | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
Relations because of these student protests has produced a number of | :03:41. | :03:41. | |
interesting statistics. 76.2% of South Africans feel race | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
relations have stayed the same That's in line with the fact that | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
85.4% of South Africans agree that different race groups | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
need each other. Over 90% of South Africans say they | :03:54. | :04:03. | |
would be happy to have their children taught by someone of a | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
different race. Let's speak to one of the people behind this report. | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
You've been helping me all day gather statistics on this story. | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
Thank you very much indeed. People might be surprise today they look at | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
South Africa from the outside and see the stories that make headlines | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
they might think this was a country with a severe race relations | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
problem. Well, yes. We were surprised ourselves. We commissioned | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
this research through an independent company in December last year. They | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
delivered it to us this year. We took two looks and thought, gosh, | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
because what they found was that your silent majority, the majority | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
of South Africans are more worried about the high unemployment, 65% | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
youth unemployment, they're worried about the economy, that is growing | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
extremely slowly. They're worried about these things long before they | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
worry about race. About 76% of the people asked said they felt race | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
relations had either improved or stayed the same since 1994. Were you | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
surprised by the survey? No, not at all. I think the discussions between | :05:11. | :05:20. | |
- sorry... Go on. I think for me, what becomes important is to | :05:21. | :05:27. | |
understand that their social disposition is a product of South | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
Africa's race relations. For me, the survey itself as an independent | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
researcher myself at Wits is problematic in how it's framed. | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
Because it looks at race as a big elephant, while race is not just | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
skin colour, but it's also determines your social disposition. | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
We were chatting about this before we came on air, that actually we | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
can't talk about race without talking about class in South | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
Africament Very true. -- South Africa. Very true. Having lived | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
abroad, when you come back to South Africa, you see that every facet of | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
societial problem here has a link to race. There are a lot of problems in | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
other countries, particularly in Africa, which are pretty much the | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
same as they are here, but they don't have the apartheid history and | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
therefore there's no racial connotation to it. Our view is that | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
because of our history and our absolutely awful history the prism | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
that people see their frustrations through is one of race. But we've | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
always said that the economy, empowering people we should not lose | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
sight of that either and that people will feel happier if those things | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
improve as well. The point from the EFF was making, was look, I don't | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
want to talk about race all the time but I've got to because this is the | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
reality of South Africa. Would you agree with that? I do agree with | :06:51. | :06:58. | |
that. Often times we tend to look at race exclusively. As it has been | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
stated, race in South Africa cannot be divorced from class. The reason | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
why students are protesting and making it about race issue is | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
because the group of people that are being disenfranchised in South | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
Africa tend to be black people. Because they come from a lower | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
social class. I do tend to get where the race relations is coming from, | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
but you can't say that people tend to think about social matters before | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
they think of race. One last question, there are two types of | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
race relations. There's the race relations where groups of people get | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
along with each other and live in parallel. But there's the race | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
relations where they integrate and interweave their lives. Which are we | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
seeing here in South Africa? There is integration, but we have to agrow | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
there is data that we see, for example, especially in education, | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
where you do see that young black South Africans are still completely | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
disenfranchised. We look at our results and we see that 83% of young | :08:01. | :08:07. | |
white South African that's write maths at A-level, grade 12 will pass | :08:08. | :08:14. | |
at 40%, whereas only about 28. 5% of young black South Africans will pass | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
at over 40%. That doesn't mean they don't have the potential. It means | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
they are disenfranchised. Their schools aren't resourced well enough | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
and so forth. We see race issues there. But we believe that we need | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
to empower educationally and things will get better. Thanks for coming | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
out so late. I know you've had a long day because this report has | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
just come out. We're live in Wits business school. We're in this | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
beautiful courtyard, close to midnight here. We're talking about | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
the student protests. Let's turn away from that and to the biggest | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
story today, super Tuesday. 11 states making their selections on | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
who they want, the Republican and Democratic nominee to be for the | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
presidential election. One of the big states that always goes to the | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
Republicans, Texas is choosing today. Hugely important for Donald | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
Trump, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and James Cook is there. | :09:08. | :09:14. | |
In Houston, it is the biggest show in town, not Super Tuesday | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
but the annual livestock fair and rodeo. | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
They have come to Texas from all over the US for this event | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
and when it comes to politics, folk here like everyone else | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
Donald Trump is stating exactly what this country needs | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
and what this country needs is a leader in business and not | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
I don't really care for Trump because I feel he attacks people | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
I believe he is trying to point out other people's flaws and not focus | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
It's kind of crazy right now, but if I can go ahead and say, | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
I just like Trump and what he stands for. | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
I think he is the best man and whatever he tells you, | :09:52. | :10:03. | |
In 11 states, Democrats and Republicans are doing just that | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
today, picking the person they want to stand for president. | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
Here in Texas there are local elections too, | :10:14. | :10:15. | |
but in the White House race the votes will be counted, | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
shared among the candidates and then turned into delegates | :10:19. | :10:20. | |
who will confirm their choice at party conventions in the summer. | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
For everyone involved in the presidential race, | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
Here in Texas there is particular pressure on Ted Cruz. | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
If he loses here, his campaign will be in real trouble. | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
Polls suggest the Texas senator is on course for victory | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
Almost everywhere else though, Donald Trump is the favourite. | :10:40. | :10:47. | |
Today he campaigned in Ohio, which votes in a fortnight. | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
Believe me, folks, illegal immigration has turned out to be one | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
of the really big factors in this entire campaign. | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
You would not even be talking about it, hearing about it | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
As for the Democrats, Bernie Sanders' left-wing challenge | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
to Hillary Clinton seems to be fading. | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
Secretary Clinton stands out in a very positive way. | :11:13. | :11:14. | |
Mr Trump is an embarrassment to our country. | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
Bernie Sanders makes the most sense and he has the most experience | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
and he is really making a change for America. | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
The presidential election is not even until November, | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
but already it feels like make or break. | :11:29. | :11:38. | |
Welcome back to the Wits business school. We're primarily focussing on | :11:39. | :11:46. | |
the student protests, but we're talking about migration in ten | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
minutes and look at the experience of some of the many people who come | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
to Johannesburg to either escape conflicts or to better themselves | :11:54. | :11:54. | |
economically. One of the main stories here in the | :11:55. | :12:04. | |
UK: The only remaining suspect | :12:05. | :12:11. | |
in the Omagh bombing has been released from jail - | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
just hours after the case Prosecutors said there was no | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
reasonable prospect of convicting Seamus Daly because of | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
inconsistencies in the evidence Mr Daly was successfully sued | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
in a civil case by some relatives of the victims but has always denied | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
any involvement in the Real IRA This summer will mark 18 years since | :12:29. | :12:38. | |
an explosion tore homa and families here apart. It was a bombing that | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
took more lives than any other single attack, during years when | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
violence seemed all too common in Northern Ireland. A time not just of | :12:49. | :13:00. | |
TRBLs, but dreadful -- dreadful grief. | :13:01. | :13:07. | |
court to see the case collapse. court to see the case collapse. | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
In a civil prosecution taken by some of the families, Tess Daley was one | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
-- Sheamus Daly was one of a group of men accused of attack. Today the | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
It is soul destroying. too weak to proceed with trial. | :13:26. | :13:34. | |
You will notice there are not many families. | :13:35. | :13:36. | |
Most families have given up on justice. | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
In preliminary hearings held ahead of trial a witness' evidence was | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
inconsistent. Prosecutors took the decision to drop the casement Our | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
thoughts are obviously with the Omagh families and the 30 people | :13:52. | :13:59. | |
that were murdered in Omagh in 1998. However, the prosecution against the | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
defendant was based on a house of straw. I'd like to ask you some | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
questions please about the Omagh bombing? In 2000, a BBC Panorama | :14:11. | :14:18. | |
programme named Daly as a member of the gang responsible. However he has | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
strongly denied playing any part of the bombing. In Omagh, there is a | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
memorial garden to ensure people don't forget those who died and what | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
happened here. It also serves as a reminder that no-one has ever been | :14:34. | :14:35. | |
convicted of these murders. This is Outside Source live | :14:36. | :14:49. | |
from the BBC newsroom. A few of you have been tweeting | :14:50. | :14:57. | |
going, "Isn't it cold? It's not warm, but compared to London, this | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
is fine. It's not too chilly to be sitting outside. | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
The student protests and the fallout from them. They have happened for | :15:03. | :15:13. | |
diverse reasons. But the core message is that students are not | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
happy with university management and not happy with South Africa's | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
government's approach to education and they want change. South Africa's | :15:21. | :15:23. | |
very much discussing what kind of change the students should be | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
offered. If you're watching outside the UK, | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
after Outside Source, it's World News America and they'll be covering | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
Super Tuesday. There will be coverage of new research into the | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
Zika virus. One of the top scientists in the US says hundreds | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
of thousands of people in Puerto Rico could be infected in the coming | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
months. And the News At Ten is next in the | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
UK. More on Barclays Bank shares which dropped sharply today after it | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
reported a fall in profits. Barclays announced plans, a big story here in | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
South Africa, to sell a controlling stake in the bank's Africa | :16:01. | :16:01. | |
operations. In recent months we've spent so much | :16:02. | :16:13. | |
talking about the number of migrants and refugees coming into Europe and | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
the pressures that creates both on the people involved and on the | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
countries receiving them. This is also a huge issue in a different way | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
for South Africa. If we bring up the map here. South Africa is right at | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
the bottom of the continent, one of the richest countries in Africa. As | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
such it's an attractive destination for some who want to make more money | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
than they're able to at home, but it is also a stable country and as | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
such, it is also attractive for people who are fleeing conflicts. As | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
a consequence, we can move the map on here, countries like Somalia, | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
Malawi, Zimbabwe, and even as far afield as Pakistan see many | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
hundreds, if not thousands, of people moving from their country to | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
South Africa. Here are some of the statistics on migration. | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
Official statistics say two million foreign nationals are living here. | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
If you ask some others with informed opinions they'll say the figure | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
could be as high as five million because many people come in | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
illegally and as such aren't documented. It's worth bearing in | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
mind the history to this story. In 2008, at least 62 people were killed | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
in xenophobic attacks. While last year wasn't as serious as that, | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
there was an uplift in xenophobic attacks in 2015, evidence that it is | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
applying pressure to South African society. We asked the BBC's | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
Christian Parkinson based here in Johannesburg to look into this issue | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
for us. He went to look at the experiences of two people. | :17:46. | :18:01. | |
I came to South Africa in 2001. I was looking for green pastures, | :18:02. | :18:11. | |
because in Zimbabwe it's a credit controller. People started to be cut | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
from the work. South Africa is very easy. You have chances. There's not | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
pressure. It's very easy to make money, it's up to you how you focus | :18:24. | :18:25. | |
the business. The money, it's up to you how you focus | :18:26. | :18:37. | |
the business. most sell commodities which is not perishable. This is | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
pawn shop. I sell anything which I get cheap. Here are tables and big | :18:43. | :18:53. | |
piece of carpet I bring there. In 2008, I do experience. I was | :18:54. | :19:00. | |
running a shop. It was a small shop. People have to get inside that shop. | :19:01. | :19:10. | |
After that, they hate my husband. -- they hit my husband. His face was | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
swollen. Even the child was running away from the father, not knowing it | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
was his father because he was swollen. In 2011 they start shooting | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
on me. They looking some money. Five, six bullets they shoot. Crime | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
is everywhere, but now it's improving, it's better. | :19:30. | :19:40. | |
I work here in South Africa. But my money is at home because I need to | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
pay school fees for my children. This is my daughter. I miss her too | :19:46. | :19:54. | |
much. But she knows that I love her. This is my boy. What I need for my | :19:55. | :20:02. | |
children, it's a better life. Because I don't like them to see | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
them in the streets. Dealing with the drugs. I need them to see them | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
tomorrow being good people, in a good position. That's why I'm | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
working hard so they must go to school in which way ever they like | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
to reach. I find I'm very happy with my life. There's no problem for me. | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
Even I'm here, I'm satisfied. I'm sitting like my own home. In the | :20:30. | :20:37. | |
future, I don't think I've got two years in South Africa, or one year. | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
I'm wishing to go back. What I've done, it's enough. | :20:44. | :20:55. | |
As we've been saying, there are clearly many pressing and serious | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
issues here in South Africa. A bit earlier we invited one of the | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
country's top comedians to come and speak to me. We got caught up in a | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
huge storm will we were talking. I wanted to know if comedy has a place | :21:11. | :21:18. | |
in the national discourse. I think we help the bitter pill down. The | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
way comedy is going right now in the country, shows how desperate people | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
are for a good laugh. For a long time as comedians we got to do a lot | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
of black people, white people that, coloured people, Indian, you know, | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
as our material. Now a lot of our material is quite current. We're | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
talking about the economy. We're talking about the concessions we | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
have to make. We talk about the droughts and the, you know, saving | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
water, versus saving electricity, versus saving the rhino. We're all | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
frustrated. If you think that politics is bad, you're busy trying | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
to save a rhino, you're thirsty but there isn't enough water. Should I | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
get the water or save the rhino first? Poacher is also thirsty. Then | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
let's get water and then we'll continue. Then you're saving | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
electricity. You can't boil your water to clean it, it's very | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
awkward. Are you feeling the pressure to live up to Trevor's | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
spectacular achievements snrchlts not everybody has the American | :22:20. | :22:22. | |
dream. That's true. I want pounds. I want to earn pounds. Pounds are | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
stronger than the dollar any day. Anything other than the rand I will | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
take. It's exciting. What is exciting about what he's done is | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
he's gone - it's possible. He's literally gone, take your craft, | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
you're going to find a niche and go with it. But it's he's a beautiful | :22:40. | :22:48. | |
man. He's a phenomenal. Enom Nan. Women want him, men want him. How do | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
you compete with that. It's exciting because in the world, gets to see | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
that beyond Nelson Mandela there's so much more to South Africa. Thanks | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
very much to her. We survived that storm. I wonder, close to midnight | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
here, you're all involved in campaigning in some ways, are these | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
issues so serious that you can't also laugh about them? To be honest, | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
right now, everything is still fresh. But, I mean, I feel like in | :23:16. | :23:22. | |
our different spaces wherever you are, you will have moments, not | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
actually laughing at the situation, but laughing at certain individuals' | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
reactions. I mean, Education Minister, things that he doesn't | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
want to interact with students and you're like, but you're here to deal | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
with our issues and our demands, hence why are you not dealing with | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
them. I think those situations you then begin to actually laugh, but | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
you laugh on reflecting on them not necessarily the humour of it. For | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
me, I think Winston Churchill said a joke is a very serious thing. For | :23:57. | :24:03. | |
me, that's how I feel about it. I recently wrote a piece to be | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
published about how oppressed people, because of the system, the | :24:09. | :24:15. | |
most depressed human beings on the planet, and therefore, for me, a | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
joke, if someone is making a joke, there has to be issues of | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
positionality as well. Who's making the joke? I cannot have a white | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
comedian making a joke about my poverty, you know? You can't have a | :24:28. | :24:37. | |
heterosexual person mocking queer poddies, positionality, who are you | :24:38. | :24:39. | |
to make the joke, that's very important. We are out of time. To | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
all of you here, other people there coming out, thank you very much. | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
Thanks to all my production here in South Africa and the team back in | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
London as well. OS is back in the BBC Newsroom tomorrow. But from all | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
of us here in South Africa, thanks for staying up late with us. We | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
appreciate your company. Speak to you soon, bye-bye. | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
Hello. What a week it's been so far. We've had some real contrasting | :25:05. | :25:11. | |
weather conditions - cold and frosty on Monday, mild and wet on Tuesday. | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
Snow to come for | :25:16. | :25:16. |