25/01/2017 Outside Source

Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

On Monday he pulled out of a major international trade deal.

On Tuesday he resurrected plans for two controversial oil pipelines.

He is seeking to fundamentally change Homeric operates and fits

into our world. The still happening. I would say I'm certainly planning

on starting immediately. The President's also said

he approves of waterboarding, that he may send federal agents

into cities that can't control crime, that some federal agencies

can't communicate with the press, that he looks set to severely

restrict immigration There are reports in US media that

the president intends to drastically reduce the role of the US at the UN,

and he supports the creation of safe zones for civilians inside Syria.

They would require someone's troops on the ground.

Plus this is how he'll deal with illegal immigration from Mexico.

We are going to get the bad ones out, the criminals and the drug

dealers and the gangs and gang members and cartel leaders.

Across the hour we will cover every development in the US. If you have

questions and, my goodness, I think we all do, the hashtag is #BBCOS,

you can e-mail or find me on social media. We will answer your questions

across the hour. It is a measure of how extraordinary

today is that when the president of America announces a major

investigation into voter fraud, voter fraud for which there is no

evidence whatsoever, it is ranking about nine four tenths in the most

significant developments of the day. Across the hour, Anthony Zurcher

will be live from Washington, DC. We have not seen many days like this?

It is pretty remarkable and the challenge is to try to draw the line

between what Trump is tweeting, saying during interviews and

speeches and the actual executive action is getting documents on so we

can see what is actually taking place as far as policy. That is the

challenge, you will help us meet it. And Thiney is here, if you have

questions, #BBCOS is the hashtag. We will go through the issues one by

one, starting with immigration. Donald Trump always promised

action on immigration. He's signed an executive

order to build a wall There are elements of a wall on that

border already but he wants one that goes the full distance.

And his plan is that Mexico will pick up the cost.

Here's Donald Trump in an interview he's just done with the ABC News.

Are you going to direct US funds to pay for this wall, with American

taxpayers pay for the wall? Ultimately it will come out of what

has happened with Mexico, we will stop those negotiations relatively

soon and be formally reimbursed by Mexico. They will pay us back? 100%.

Is the American taxpayer will pay out first? We will be reimbursed

later from whatever transaction we make with Mexico. Mexico's president

said that Mexico absolutely will not pay, adding that it goes against our

dignity as a country and as Mexicans. But he has to say that. I

am just telling you there will be a payment, it will be in a form,

perhaps a complicated form, you have to understand that what I am doing

is good for the United States, it will also be good for Mexico. We

want a very stable and solid Mexico. Went as construction begin? Sooner

is we physically can. Within months? I would say so, planning on starting

immediately. Hours later he was at the department of homeland security

outlining his plans in more detail to a packed audience.

The secretary of Homeland Security, working with myself and my stuff,

will begin immediate construction of a border wall. -- working with

myself and my staff. APPLAUSE

We are going to get the bad ones out.

The criminals and the drug dealers and gangs and gang members and

cartel leaders. The day is over when they can stay in our country and

recover, we are going to get them out and get them out fast, and John

Kerry is going to lead that. Let's bring in Anthony in

Washington, presumably the idea is that the war itself will get the bad

ones out, it is part of a broader package of policies? -- the idea is

that the wall itself. The God he talks about ending catch and

release, people come over the border and are not formally deported.

Talking about cracking down on sanctuary cities, US municipalities,

more than 200 of them across the country, major cities like Los

Angeles, Seattle, New York City, Washington and Boston turned --

Boston and Washington, DC, they don't ask for immigration status

from people living within their borders. The Trump administration

says they will deny federal funds to cities with these policies unless

they change, that is a marked change from past president. And boosted

immigration funding or customs and enforcement, the hiring of new

immigration officers, across-the-board spending and focus

on rounding people up along the borders and sending them back and

being more diligent about processing people who have already been brought

into the law enforcement and immigration system.

Lots of questions coming in already, one from if you are in the

Netherlands wanting you to answer what is an executive order and how

much power does it have? An executive order is a unilateral use

of presidential power, they are kept track of by numbers, signed by the

president, printed in the Federal register, they have binding power of

law over executive agencies, they are different than laws passed by

Congress which have more broad powers not just over the way

executive agencies behave but all branches of the federal Government,

there are different levels of presidential authority, a

presidential declaration is the highest, and executive order is

next, a memorandum which does not have to be published if slightly

lower, directives are lower. Lots of it is almost non-mature, a way of

organising them and resolving conflicts between them, but

presidents recently, particularly George Dubya Bush and Barack Obama,

have relied heavily on executive action when trying to get policies

implemented that Congress is not willing to turn into permanent law.

Andreu in the UK says don't executive orders have to be

sanctioned by Congress or the Senate or the judiciary? No. Executive

orders are done by the president and don't require any oversight or

sanctioning from other bodies. Don't go anywhere, you will be with his

across the hour. Keep the questions coming, #BBCOS is the hashtag, the

e-mail is [email protected]. Then asks what the estimated cost of the war

will be, Mr Trump is putting between $8 billion and $10 billion, he says

that Mexico will pay back in time. Absent surprisingly the Mexican

president is not very clean on that idea. -- perhaps not surprisingly.

"It is evident that we have some differences with the new government

of the United States, like the topic of the wall that

We have a corresponding to Mexico City, I spoke to him earlier. In

fact, he is he alive, I thought I was going to be playing one of your

reports, and here you are, that is great. Tellers about how the Mexican

Government is indicating it will play this challenge?

I think you made the point that the Mexican president and his whole

Cabinet, and a very large portion of this country, are on one single

message to Mr Trump, they will not pay for this wall, not at the time

of construction or in the future. There is a very serious conflict to

be resolved. Obviously Mr Trump has suggested that federal funds United

States will be used initially and they will somehow be reimbursed

later, exactly how was still to be defined, whether there is some sort

of border tax or what he has in mind, we do not know. Wherever you

look, the presidential palace, the factory shop floor, workers on the

streets in Mexico City, on the border region itself, people are

really with one voice, as far as I have seen, they reject this policy

not just as aimed towards them and splitting up families and stopping

people coming across the border, but many people going as far as to call

it a racist and xenophobic. We have a question from Lynette

watching on the BBC News Channel, if Mexico was forced to pay for this,

make it pivot away to Russia and China to seek further economic ties,

or are Mexico and the US too closely intertwined? That is interesting,

everything is happening at once, we also have the Nafta trade agreement,

the North American Free Trade Agreement, Mr Trump said he will

effectively rip that up or at the very least we negotiate. Mexico says

they would be prepared to walk away from the agreement if it was no

longer favourable to Mexico's needs and terms. At the same time the

United States is walking away from the transpacific free-trade

agreement which might open up things for China. The whole trade

relationship between Mexico and the United States is sorted up for grabs

at the moment. That said, it is one of the most long-lasting and solid

relationships in Latin America, and what I was gaining in understanding

from what Mr Trump said was that the United States continues to want to

see a strong Mexican economy and that somehow the wall will benefit

Mexico in those terms. It is still very, very early days but there is a

lot to be negotiated. Thank you very much.

One question said perhaps the Mexicans will refuse, what will

happen then, but what Donald Trump has said and what Will was saying is

that he wants to look at the interrogation ship between Mexico

and the US, including trade and the wall, and any cost of the wall will

be built into the negotiations and warned that the deal might be

complicated. The White House also announced today

that they would cut funding These are American cities,

counties or states that protect undocumented immigrants

from deportation by limiting cooperation with federal

immigration authorities. Seattle, Los Angeles and San

Francisco as well as Chicago, Two days after Mr Trump won

the election, New York's Mayor said, "We are not going to sacrifice

a half-million people who live amongst us,

who are part of our communities. We're not going to tear

families apart." Let's bring Anthony Zurcher back-in,

the president said it was not about tearing apart communities but

dealing with illegal immigration, presumably? Two decidedly different

ways of looking at this issue. Republicans in the past and up

through Donald Trump have seen this as major urban cities, often varied

many of them are left-leaning, thumbing their nose at the federal

Government and subverting their efforts at law-enforcement. This

cities look at it as a way of taking care of people within their borders,

if there are people who do not have normalised immigration status does

not mean that they can't get government services or will not

benefit from education, if they somehow just flat-out denied the

services to people within their borders there all sorts of

compensating factors that could make things even more difficult for the

cities to manage. It is setting up a conflict the Trump administration

and some powerful cities throughout the country, and it is helping to

divide this country again on political terms because, as you may

have noticed, lots of the cities in California, New York, Washington and

Illinois, those states went for Hillary Clinton are not Donald

Trump. Two more questions, they'll is in

Kenny and says Canet President Rousseff and the previous executive

order? -- bill is watching in Kenya and says can a president rescinds a

previous executive order. Yes, one of the first things that Donald

Trump reinstated after Obama rescinded it was to do with

educational groups that might mention abortion. The thing about

executive actions as they are only good as long as a president as it is

in power, somebody else can come in and change them, they do not have

the written power of law. There is a real fascination with this issue,

one more tweets coming in from Will watching on the BBC News Channel in

the UK, if the president can sign as many executive orders as he wants,

does this not create a dictatorship and a threat to US democracy? That

was a criticism, ironically enough, launched by conservatives against

Barack Obama. He used executive orders to defer deportation for

children, undocumented children who had come into the country and stayed

here, and lots of Conservatives said it was a broad overreach of

presidential power. Now you see it on the other side, Donald Trump

using his executive authority to change immigration rules and you

hear an outcry from the left. There seems to be a pretty substantial

ground for justification for the president using this power, it has

been challenged in court and a pelt before, but it is an expansion of

presidential power and many are not happy and would much prefer to see

the sorts of policies going through Congress the way they say this

Government was devised. Anthony Zurcher, live with us from the BBC

newsroom in Washington, DC. He will be with this across the hour, we are

spending the whole hour talking about the Trump administration

because it is moving at huge speed and changing facets of how America

operates within its border but also how America fits into the world.

Your questions are very welcome, we will do our best to answer them.

#BBCOS is the hashtag, my social media contacts and I e-mail address

are on screen. Stay with us, I will be back in a moment.

Theresa May says the Government will publish a white paper

on its plans for leaving the European Union.

Some Conservative members had joined Labour in asking her for a detailed

policy document on Brexit after yesterday's Supreme Court

judgment that the Government had to consult parliament before

Mrs May surprised MPs when she made the announcement

at Prime Minister's Questions this afternoon.

We will ensure that Parliament has every opportunity to provide that

scrutiny on this issue as we go through this process, but I

recognise I set out that bold plan for a global Britain last week and

directly lies there is an appetite in this House to see that set out in

a White Paper. The question from my honourable friend the member from

Brock still last week in the same vein, I can confirm to the house

that the plan will be set out in a White Paper published in this House.

This is Outside Source live from the BBC newsroom.

Our lead story is Donald Trump has signed executive orders launching

plans to build a wall on the US-Mexico border and limiting

funds to cities that protect illegal immigrants.

We are talking about a number of stories, there have been a number of

significant developments involving the Trump administration. Earlier we

talked about Mr Trump saying he would get on with building the

border wall between America and US, he has changed the way that

sanctuary cities operate, these are cities that don't necessarily

cooperate with federal agencies looking at immigration, Mr Trump

wants to change that. Then this story which the New York

Times is running, an article that claims, the BBC is not able to

confirm, that the Trump administration is preparing

executive orders that would drastically reduce the US role in

the United Nations and other international organisations.

Let's go back to Anthony live in Washington, DC. Is anybody else

backing up this New York Times article? That is the only report I

have seen at the moment but it doesn't surprise me given the level

of rhetoric coming out of the Trump administration and Trump on the

campaign Trail directed towards international organisations and the

UN, which has attracted a particular amount of scorn from conservative

circles when the Security Council had their resolution condemning

Israel for its involvement in the occupied territories, so I think

this reflects that. Nonetheless, if this happened, and I

don't mean to be melodramatic, it would fundamentally reshape the way

that all the major international bodies in the world work, wouldn't

it? The US is central to them at the moment. UN bashing is nothing new

among Republicans, I remember Ronald Reagan made comments about the UN at

the time, it was not followed by action. We will have to wait and see

exactly what the details, the parameters of what the Trump

administration is proposing, if it is merely reducing US funds going to

the UN that is nothing particularly new, republican governments have

done that before, drastically cutting back support for

environmental issues and various other causes in the UN urges the

overall juice that the US is meant to pay, but if it is something more

than that then it would be a significant change, we have never

seen Republican administrations talked down the North Atlantic

Treaty Organisation in the past, that is definitely knew. Stay with

us, we will play a couple of reports and come back to you, more and more

questions are coming in, if you want to find Anthony Zurcher online, that

is his name on Twitter, and we all using the #BBCOS hashtag if you want

to exchange information and answer questions.

Let's get some more detail now on sanctuary cities.

The BBC's Franz Strasser has been finding out more about them

We will end the sanctuary cities, cities that refuse to cooperate with

federal authorities will not receive taxpayer dollars.

We're not going to be by federal policy that has us compromise values

that we know are very defining for our community.

What is a sanctuary city? All it means is that when a president comes

in contact with local law enforcement, he will not be asked

about his legal status and the local jail won't hold undocumented

immigrants for deportation proceedings unless they regard them

as violent criminals. Despite threats of funding cuts by

Donald Trump, major US cities have already come out in favour of

remaining sanctuaries. They represent a quarter of all

undocumented residents in the US. And if they don't cooperate, it will

be hard for the President-elect to enforce his deportation plan.

I want you to know your city will stand by you and protect you every

step of the way. At the root of this debate are the

values of Santa Fe, they are values that have been in place since the

earliest days more than 400 years ago. With 14% of our population

being made up of immigrants, we can't afford to lose them back into

the shadows all to see them leave our community, because we rely on

them showing up day in, day out, to provide critical services to our

community. My childrens are American citizens,

and I am not. And that worries me a lot because we could be separated.

This woman entered the country illegally with her parents as a

child. An executive order by President Obama in 2012 gave the

temporary legal status, a place in nursing school and a job at the

hospital. Yet, I have a better job, my kids have a better

quality-of-life, we have better quality-of-life. We were thinking

about buying a house. Yeah, because I feel safe, I don't feel a great --

afraid. That executive order, along with city century status, is under

threat. My fear is that I will not feel free any more, I will not feel

confident to buy house, what will happen after that? People will start

working again like back then, cleaning houses, yard work,

construction. Without licence. Critics of sanctuary cities say they

shield criminals from being detected by federal authorities and put

residents in danger. People who are here to work and work

hard, I don't think they will be affected by any of the sweeping

changes, it is more about the drug cartels. We have a massive drug

problem in New Mexico. When it comes to the murder rate, Santa Fe says

quite well against similar sized cities actively cooperating with the

immigration and for Smit agency. Santa Fe's mayor says that while the

city has always pursued violent criminals, it will not use local

police to enforce sweeping deportation plans.

We need law enforcement to focus on combating crime which can be hurtful

to citizens, not being deportation agents of the federal policy seeking

to destroy families and hurt people. We are looking at the Trump

administration today and the many new policies it is bringing in. This

is what has happened to the Dow Jones.

The major business story of the day - the Dow Jones hit 20,000 today.

The Dow Jones had been gaining value since the election of Donald Trump.

It went from just under 18,000 when he was elected to 20,000 today.

Let's get more on this from Samira Hussain.

What should we see the Dow Jones as? What does it represent? It is

looking at a grouping of the biggest US companies and how they are

trading. Really what this signifies is it has crossed this milestone of

going above 20,000 points. Does it really represent something

significant? In a way, not really, it is just a nice really round

number that people can wrap their heads around. It communicates a few

things with regard to investor sentiment and I think you

highlighted that when you mentioned the fact that we have seen markets

skyrocketed since the election of Donald Trump. With a lot of the

executive orders that we have seen Mr Trump signing in the last few

days, it is a sign for Wall Street and investors that he will be making

good on some of the promises he has major in the election campaign. Some

of the things that people on Wall Street are really concerned about

our regulations, and he wants to see the rollback of some of the banking

regulations that have come into place and the reforms of some of

America's tax codes. Based on some of the things we have seen in the

first few days of his administration it seems like there could be likely.

We appreciated. In the second half of the programme we will be live on

the Washington newsroom and the State Department. Keep your

questions coming, we will get you plenty of answers.

Thank you for joining me and welcome to our latest update on a number of

stories from around the world that have caught my eye