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Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.


On Monday he pulled out of a major international trade deal.


On Tuesday he resurrected plans for two controversial oil pipelines.


He is seeking to fundamentally change Homeric operates and fits


into our world. The still happening. I would say I'm certainly planning


on starting immediately. The President's also said


he approves of waterboarding, that he may send federal agents


into cities that can't control crime, that some federal agencies


can't communicate with the press, that he looks set to severely


restrict immigration There are reports in US media that


the president intends to drastically reduce the role of the US at the UN,


and he supports the creation of safe zones for civilians inside Syria.


They would require someone's troops on the ground.


Plus this is how he'll deal with illegal immigration from Mexico.


We are going to get the bad ones out, the criminals and the drug


dealers and the gangs and gang members and cartel leaders.


Across the hour we will cover every development in the US. If you have


questions and, my goodness, I think we all do, the hashtag is #BBCOS,


you can e-mail or find me on social media. We will answer your questions


across the hour. It is a measure of how extraordinary


today is that when the president of America announces a major


investigation into voter fraud, voter fraud for which there is no


evidence whatsoever, it is ranking about nine four tenths in the most


significant developments of the day. Across the hour, Anthony Zurcher


will be live from Washington, DC. We have not seen many days like this?


It is pretty remarkable and the challenge is to try to draw the line


between what Trump is tweeting, saying during interviews and


speeches and the actual executive action is getting documents on so we


can see what is actually taking place as far as policy. That is the


challenge, you will help us meet it. And Thiney is here, if you have


questions, #BBCOS is the hashtag. We will go through the issues one by


one, starting with immigration. Donald Trump always promised


action on immigration. He's signed an executive


order to build a wall There are elements of a wall on that


border already but he wants one that goes the full distance.


And his plan is that Mexico will pick up the cost.


Here's Donald Trump in an interview he's just done with the ABC News.


Are you going to direct US funds to pay for this wall, with American


taxpayers pay for the wall? Ultimately it will come out of what


has happened with Mexico, we will stop those negotiations relatively


soon and be formally reimbursed by Mexico. They will pay us back? 100%.


Is the American taxpayer will pay out first? We will be reimbursed


later from whatever transaction we make with Mexico. Mexico's president


said that Mexico absolutely will not pay, adding that it goes against our


dignity as a country and as Mexicans. But he has to say that. I


am just telling you there will be a payment, it will be in a form,


perhaps a complicated form, you have to understand that what I am doing


is good for the United States, it will also be good for Mexico. We


want a very stable and solid Mexico. Went as construction begin? Sooner


is we physically can. Within months? I would say so, planning on starting


immediately. Hours later he was at the department of homeland security


outlining his plans in more detail to a packed audience.


The secretary of Homeland Security, working with myself and my stuff,


will begin immediate construction of a border wall. -- working with


myself and my staff. APPLAUSE


We are going to get the bad ones out.


The criminals and the drug dealers and gangs and gang members and


cartel leaders. The day is over when they can stay in our country and


recover, we are going to get them out and get them out fast, and John


Kerry is going to lead that. Let's bring in Anthony in


Washington, presumably the idea is that the war itself will get the bad


ones out, it is part of a broader package of policies? -- the idea is


that the wall itself. The God he talks about ending catch and


release, people come over the border and are not formally deported.


Talking about cracking down on sanctuary cities, US municipalities,


more than 200 of them across the country, major cities like Los


Angeles, Seattle, New York City, Washington and Boston turned --


Boston and Washington, DC, they don't ask for immigration status


from people living within their borders. The Trump administration


says they will deny federal funds to cities with these policies unless


they change, that is a marked change from past president. And boosted


immigration funding or customs and enforcement, the hiring of new


immigration officers, across-the-board spending and focus


on rounding people up along the borders and sending them back and


being more diligent about processing people who have already been brought


into the law enforcement and immigration system.


Lots of questions coming in already, one from if you are in the


Netherlands wanting you to answer what is an executive order and how


much power does it have? An executive order is a unilateral use


of presidential power, they are kept track of by numbers, signed by the


president, printed in the Federal register, they have binding power of


law over executive agencies, they are different than laws passed by


Congress which have more broad powers not just over the way


executive agencies behave but all branches of the federal Government,


there are different levels of presidential authority, a


presidential declaration is the highest, and executive order is


next, a memorandum which does not have to be published if slightly


lower, directives are lower. Lots of it is almost non-mature, a way of


organising them and resolving conflicts between them, but


presidents recently, particularly George Dubya Bush and Barack Obama,


have relied heavily on executive action when trying to get policies


implemented that Congress is not willing to turn into permanent law.


Andreu in the UK says don't executive orders have to be


sanctioned by Congress or the Senate or the judiciary? No. Executive


orders are done by the president and don't require any oversight or


sanctioning from other bodies. Don't go anywhere, you will be with his


across the hour. Keep the questions coming, #BBCOS is the hashtag, the


e-mail is [email protected]. Then asks what the estimated cost of the war


will be, Mr Trump is putting between $8 billion and $10 billion, he says


that Mexico will pay back in time. Absent surprisingly the Mexican


president is not very clean on that idea. -- perhaps not surprisingly.


"It is evident that we have some differences with the new government


of the United States, like the topic of the wall that


We have a corresponding to Mexico City, I spoke to him earlier. In


fact, he is he alive, I thought I was going to be playing one of your


reports, and here you are, that is great. Tellers about how the Mexican


Government is indicating it will play this challenge?


I think you made the point that the Mexican president and his whole


Cabinet, and a very large portion of this country, are on one single


message to Mr Trump, they will not pay for this wall, not at the time


of construction or in the future. There is a very serious conflict to


be resolved. Obviously Mr Trump has suggested that federal funds United


States will be used initially and they will somehow be reimbursed


later, exactly how was still to be defined, whether there is some sort


of border tax or what he has in mind, we do not know. Wherever you


look, the presidential palace, the factory shop floor, workers on the


streets in Mexico City, on the border region itself, people are


really with one voice, as far as I have seen, they reject this policy


not just as aimed towards them and splitting up families and stopping


people coming across the border, but many people going as far as to call


it a racist and xenophobic. We have a question from Lynette


watching on the BBC News Channel, if Mexico was forced to pay for this,


make it pivot away to Russia and China to seek further economic ties,


or are Mexico and the US too closely intertwined? That is interesting,


everything is happening at once, we also have the Nafta trade agreement,


the North American Free Trade Agreement, Mr Trump said he will


effectively rip that up or at the very least we negotiate. Mexico says


they would be prepared to walk away from the agreement if it was no


longer favourable to Mexico's needs and terms. At the same time the


United States is walking away from the transpacific free-trade


agreement which might open up things for China. The whole trade


relationship between Mexico and the United States is sorted up for grabs


at the moment. That said, it is one of the most long-lasting and solid


relationships in Latin America, and what I was gaining in understanding


from what Mr Trump said was that the United States continues to want to


see a strong Mexican economy and that somehow the wall will benefit


Mexico in those terms. It is still very, very early days but there is a


lot to be negotiated. Thank you very much.


One question said perhaps the Mexicans will refuse, what will


happen then, but what Donald Trump has said and what Will was saying is


that he wants to look at the interrogation ship between Mexico


and the US, including trade and the wall, and any cost of the wall will


be built into the negotiations and warned that the deal might be


complicated. The White House also announced today


that they would cut funding These are American cities,


counties or states that protect undocumented immigrants


from deportation by limiting cooperation with federal


immigration authorities. Seattle, Los Angeles and San


Francisco as well as Chicago, Two days after Mr Trump won


the election, New York's Mayor said, "We are not going to sacrifice


a half-million people who live amongst us,


who are part of our communities. We're not going to tear


families apart." Let's bring Anthony Zurcher back-in,


the president said it was not about tearing apart communities but


dealing with illegal immigration, presumably? Two decidedly different


ways of looking at this issue. Republicans in the past and up


through Donald Trump have seen this as major urban cities, often varied


many of them are left-leaning, thumbing their nose at the federal


Government and subverting their efforts at law-enforcement. This


cities look at it as a way of taking care of people within their borders,


if there are people who do not have normalised immigration status does


not mean that they can't get government services or will not


benefit from education, if they somehow just flat-out denied the


services to people within their borders there all sorts of


compensating factors that could make things even more difficult for the


cities to manage. It is setting up a conflict the Trump administration


and some powerful cities throughout the country, and it is helping to


divide this country again on political terms because, as you may


have noticed, lots of the cities in California, New York, Washington and


Illinois, those states went for Hillary Clinton are not Donald


Trump. Two more questions, they'll is in


Kenny and says Canet President Rousseff and the previous executive


order? -- bill is watching in Kenya and says can a president rescinds a


previous executive order. Yes, one of the first things that Donald


Trump reinstated after Obama rescinded it was to do with


educational groups that might mention abortion. The thing about


executive actions as they are only good as long as a president as it is


in power, somebody else can come in and change them, they do not have


the written power of law. There is a real fascination with this issue,


one more tweets coming in from Will watching on the BBC News Channel in


the UK, if the president can sign as many executive orders as he wants,


does this not create a dictatorship and a threat to US democracy? That


was a criticism, ironically enough, launched by conservatives against


Barack Obama. He used executive orders to defer deportation for


children, undocumented children who had come into the country and stayed


here, and lots of Conservatives said it was a broad overreach of


presidential power. Now you see it on the other side, Donald Trump


using his executive authority to change immigration rules and you


hear an outcry from the left. There seems to be a pretty substantial


ground for justification for the president using this power, it has


been challenged in court and a pelt before, but it is an expansion of


presidential power and many are not happy and would much prefer to see


the sorts of policies going through Congress the way they say this


Government was devised. Anthony Zurcher, live with us from the BBC


newsroom in Washington, DC. He will be with this across the hour, we are


spending the whole hour talking about the Trump administration


because it is moving at huge speed and changing facets of how America


operates within its border but also how America fits into the world.


Your questions are very welcome, we will do our best to answer them.


#BBCOS is the hashtag, my social media contacts and I e-mail address


are on screen. Stay with us, I will be back in a moment.


Theresa May says the Government will publish a white paper


on its plans for leaving the European Union.


Some Conservative members had joined Labour in asking her for a detailed


policy document on Brexit after yesterday's Supreme Court


judgment that the Government had to consult parliament before


Mrs May surprised MPs when she made the announcement


at Prime Minister's Questions this afternoon.


We will ensure that Parliament has every opportunity to provide that


scrutiny on this issue as we go through this process, but I


recognise I set out that bold plan for a global Britain last week and


directly lies there is an appetite in this House to see that set out in


a White Paper. The question from my honourable friend the member from


Brock still last week in the same vein, I can confirm to the house


that the plan will be set out in a White Paper published in this House.


This is Outside Source live from the BBC newsroom.


Our lead story is Donald Trump has signed executive orders launching


plans to build a wall on the US-Mexico border and limiting


funds to cities that protect illegal immigrants.


We are talking about a number of stories, there have been a number of


significant developments involving the Trump administration. Earlier we


talked about Mr Trump saying he would get on with building the


border wall between America and US, he has changed the way that


sanctuary cities operate, these are cities that don't necessarily


cooperate with federal agencies looking at immigration, Mr Trump


wants to change that. Then this story which the New York


Times is running, an article that claims, the BBC is not able to


confirm, that the Trump administration is preparing


executive orders that would drastically reduce the US role in


the United Nations and other international organisations.


Let's go back to Anthony live in Washington, DC. Is anybody else


backing up this New York Times article? That is the only report I


have seen at the moment but it doesn't surprise me given the level


of rhetoric coming out of the Trump administration and Trump on the


campaign Trail directed towards international organisations and the


UN, which has attracted a particular amount of scorn from conservative


circles when the Security Council had their resolution condemning


Israel for its involvement in the occupied territories, so I think


this reflects that. Nonetheless, if this happened, and I


don't mean to be melodramatic, it would fundamentally reshape the way


that all the major international bodies in the world work, wouldn't


it? The US is central to them at the moment. UN bashing is nothing new


among Republicans, I remember Ronald Reagan made comments about the UN at


the time, it was not followed by action. We will have to wait and see


exactly what the details, the parameters of what the Trump


administration is proposing, if it is merely reducing US funds going to


the UN that is nothing particularly new, republican governments have


done that before, drastically cutting back support for


environmental issues and various other causes in the UN urges the


overall juice that the US is meant to pay, but if it is something more


than that then it would be a significant change, we have never


seen Republican administrations talked down the North Atlantic


Treaty Organisation in the past, that is definitely knew. Stay with


us, we will play a couple of reports and come back to you, more and more


questions are coming in, if you want to find Anthony Zurcher online, that


is his name on Twitter, and we all using the #BBCOS hashtag if you want


to exchange information and answer questions.


Let's get some more detail now on sanctuary cities.


The BBC's Franz Strasser has been finding out more about them


We will end the sanctuary cities, cities that refuse to cooperate with


federal authorities will not receive taxpayer dollars.


We're not going to be by federal policy that has us compromise values


that we know are very defining for our community.


What is a sanctuary city? All it means is that when a president comes


in contact with local law enforcement, he will not be asked


about his legal status and the local jail won't hold undocumented


immigrants for deportation proceedings unless they regard them


as violent criminals. Despite threats of funding cuts by


Donald Trump, major US cities have already come out in favour of


remaining sanctuaries. They represent a quarter of all


undocumented residents in the US. And if they don't cooperate, it will


be hard for the President-elect to enforce his deportation plan.


I want you to know your city will stand by you and protect you every


step of the way. At the root of this debate are the


values of Santa Fe, they are values that have been in place since the


earliest days more than 400 years ago. With 14% of our population


being made up of immigrants, we can't afford to lose them back into


the shadows all to see them leave our community, because we rely on


them showing up day in, day out, to provide critical services to our


community. My childrens are American citizens,


and I am not. And that worries me a lot because we could be separated.


This woman entered the country illegally with her parents as a


child. An executive order by President Obama in 2012 gave the


temporary legal status, a place in nursing school and a job at the


hospital. Yet, I have a better job, my kids have a better


quality-of-life, we have better quality-of-life. We were thinking


about buying a house. Yeah, because I feel safe, I don't feel a great --


afraid. That executive order, along with city century status, is under


threat. My fear is that I will not feel free any more, I will not feel


confident to buy house, what will happen after that? People will start


working again like back then, cleaning houses, yard work,


construction. Without licence. Critics of sanctuary cities say they


shield criminals from being detected by federal authorities and put


residents in danger. People who are here to work and work


hard, I don't think they will be affected by any of the sweeping


changes, it is more about the drug cartels. We have a massive drug


problem in New Mexico. When it comes to the murder rate, Santa Fe says


quite well against similar sized cities actively cooperating with the


immigration and for Smit agency. Santa Fe's mayor says that while the


city has always pursued violent criminals, it will not use local


police to enforce sweeping deportation plans.


We need law enforcement to focus on combating crime which can be hurtful


to citizens, not being deportation agents of the federal policy seeking


to destroy families and hurt people. We are looking at the Trump


administration today and the many new policies it is bringing in. This


is what has happened to the Dow Jones.


The major business story of the day - the Dow Jones hit 20,000 today.


The Dow Jones had been gaining value since the election of Donald Trump.


It went from just under 18,000 when he was elected to 20,000 today.


Let's get more on this from Samira Hussain.


What should we see the Dow Jones as? What does it represent? It is


looking at a grouping of the biggest US companies and how they are


trading. Really what this signifies is it has crossed this milestone of


going above 20,000 points. Does it really represent something


significant? In a way, not really, it is just a nice really round


number that people can wrap their heads around. It communicates a few


things with regard to investor sentiment and I think you


highlighted that when you mentioned the fact that we have seen markets


skyrocketed since the election of Donald Trump. With a lot of the


executive orders that we have seen Mr Trump signing in the last few


days, it is a sign for Wall Street and investors that he will be making


good on some of the promises he has major in the election campaign. Some


of the things that people on Wall Street are really concerned about


our regulations, and he wants to see the rollback of some of the banking


regulations that have come into place and the reforms of some of


America's tax codes. Based on some of the things we have seen in the


first few days of his administration it seems like there could be likely.


We appreciated. In the second half of the programme we will be live on


the Washington newsroom and the State Department. Keep your


questions coming, we will get you plenty of answers.


Thank you for joining me and welcome to our latest update on a number of


stories from around the world that have caught my eye


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