25/01/2017 Outside Source


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Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

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On Monday he pulled out of a major international trade deal.

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On Tuesday he resurrected plans for two controversial oil pipelines.

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He is seeking to fundamentally change Homeric operates and fits

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into our world. The still happening. I would say I'm certainly planning

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on starting immediately. The President's also said

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he approves of waterboarding, that he may send federal agents

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into cities that can't control crime, that some federal agencies

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can't communicate with the press, that he looks set to severely

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restrict immigration There are reports in US media that

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the president intends to drastically reduce the role of the US at the UN,

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and he supports the creation of safe zones for civilians inside Syria.

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They would require someone's troops on the ground.

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Plus this is how he'll deal with illegal immigration from Mexico.

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We are going to get the bad ones out, the criminals and the drug

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dealers and the gangs and gang members and cartel leaders.

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Across the hour we will cover every development in the US. If you have

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questions and, my goodness, I think we all do, the hashtag is #BBCOS,

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you can e-mail or find me on social media. We will answer your questions

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across the hour. It is a measure of how extraordinary

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today is that when the president of America announces a major

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investigation into voter fraud, voter fraud for which there is no

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evidence whatsoever, it is ranking about nine four tenths in the most

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significant developments of the day. Across the hour, Anthony Zurcher

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will be live from Washington, DC. We have not seen many days like this?

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It is pretty remarkable and the challenge is to try to draw the line

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between what Trump is tweeting, saying during interviews and

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speeches and the actual executive action is getting documents on so we

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can see what is actually taking place as far as policy. That is the

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challenge, you will help us meet it. And Thiney is here, if you have

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questions, #BBCOS is the hashtag. We will go through the issues one by

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one, starting with immigration. Donald Trump always promised

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action on immigration. He's signed an executive

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order to build a wall There are elements of a wall on that

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border already but he wants one that goes the full distance.

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And his plan is that Mexico will pick up the cost.

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Here's Donald Trump in an interview he's just done with the ABC News.

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Are you going to direct US funds to pay for this wall, with American

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taxpayers pay for the wall? Ultimately it will come out of what

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has happened with Mexico, we will stop those negotiations relatively

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soon and be formally reimbursed by Mexico. They will pay us back? 100%.

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Is the American taxpayer will pay out first? We will be reimbursed

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later from whatever transaction we make with Mexico. Mexico's president

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said that Mexico absolutely will not pay, adding that it goes against our

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dignity as a country and as Mexicans. But he has to say that. I

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am just telling you there will be a payment, it will be in a form,

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perhaps a complicated form, you have to understand that what I am doing

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is good for the United States, it will also be good for Mexico. We

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want a very stable and solid Mexico. Went as construction begin? Sooner

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is we physically can. Within months? I would say so, planning on starting

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immediately. Hours later he was at the department of homeland security

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outlining his plans in more detail to a packed audience.

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The secretary of Homeland Security, working with myself and my stuff,

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will begin immediate construction of a border wall. -- working with

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myself and my staff. APPLAUSE

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We are going to get the bad ones out.

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The criminals and the drug dealers and gangs and gang members and

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cartel leaders. The day is over when they can stay in our country and

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recover, we are going to get them out and get them out fast, and John

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Kerry is going to lead that. Let's bring in Anthony in

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Washington, presumably the idea is that the war itself will get the bad

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ones out, it is part of a broader package of policies? -- the idea is

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that the wall itself. The God he talks about ending catch and

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release, people come over the border and are not formally deported.

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Talking about cracking down on sanctuary cities, US municipalities,

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more than 200 of them across the country, major cities like Los

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Angeles, Seattle, New York City, Washington and Boston turned --

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Boston and Washington, DC, they don't ask for immigration status

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from people living within their borders. The Trump administration

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says they will deny federal funds to cities with these policies unless

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they change, that is a marked change from past president. And boosted

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immigration funding or customs and enforcement, the hiring of new

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immigration officers, across-the-board spending and focus

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on rounding people up along the borders and sending them back and

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being more diligent about processing people who have already been brought

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into the law enforcement and immigration system.

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Lots of questions coming in already, one from if you are in the

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Netherlands wanting you to answer what is an executive order and how

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much power does it have? An executive order is a unilateral use

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of presidential power, they are kept track of by numbers, signed by the

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president, printed in the Federal register, they have binding power of

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law over executive agencies, they are different than laws passed by

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Congress which have more broad powers not just over the way

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executive agencies behave but all branches of the federal Government,

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there are different levels of presidential authority, a

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presidential declaration is the highest, and executive order is

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next, a memorandum which does not have to be published if slightly

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lower, directives are lower. Lots of it is almost non-mature, a way of

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organising them and resolving conflicts between them, but

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presidents recently, particularly George Dubya Bush and Barack Obama,

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have relied heavily on executive action when trying to get policies

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implemented that Congress is not willing to turn into permanent law.

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Andreu in the UK says don't executive orders have to be

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sanctioned by Congress or the Senate or the judiciary? No. Executive

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orders are done by the president and don't require any oversight or

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sanctioning from other bodies. Don't go anywhere, you will be with his

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across the hour. Keep the questions coming, #BBCOS is the hashtag, the

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e-mail is os@bbc.co.uk. Then asks what the estimated cost of the war

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will be, Mr Trump is putting between $8 billion and $10 billion, he says

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that Mexico will pay back in time. Absent surprisingly the Mexican

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president is not very clean on that idea. -- perhaps not surprisingly.

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"It is evident that we have some differences with the new government

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of the United States, like the topic of the wall that

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We have a corresponding to Mexico City, I spoke to him earlier. In

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fact, he is he alive, I thought I was going to be playing one of your

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reports, and here you are, that is great. Tellers about how the Mexican

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Government is indicating it will play this challenge?

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I think you made the point that the Mexican president and his whole

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Cabinet, and a very large portion of this country, are on one single

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message to Mr Trump, they will not pay for this wall, not at the time

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of construction or in the future. There is a very serious conflict to

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be resolved. Obviously Mr Trump has suggested that federal funds United

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States will be used initially and they will somehow be reimbursed

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later, exactly how was still to be defined, whether there is some sort

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of border tax or what he has in mind, we do not know. Wherever you

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look, the presidential palace, the factory shop floor, workers on the

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streets in Mexico City, on the border region itself, people are

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really with one voice, as far as I have seen, they reject this policy

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not just as aimed towards them and splitting up families and stopping

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people coming across the border, but many people going as far as to call

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it a racist and xenophobic. We have a question from Lynette

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watching on the BBC News Channel, if Mexico was forced to pay for this,

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make it pivot away to Russia and China to seek further economic ties,

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or are Mexico and the US too closely intertwined? That is interesting,

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everything is happening at once, we also have the Nafta trade agreement,

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the North American Free Trade Agreement, Mr Trump said he will

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effectively rip that up or at the very least we negotiate. Mexico says

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they would be prepared to walk away from the agreement if it was no

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longer favourable to Mexico's needs and terms. At the same time the

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United States is walking away from the transpacific free-trade

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agreement which might open up things for China. The whole trade

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relationship between Mexico and the United States is sorted up for grabs

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at the moment. That said, it is one of the most long-lasting and solid

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relationships in Latin America, and what I was gaining in understanding

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from what Mr Trump said was that the United States continues to want to

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see a strong Mexican economy and that somehow the wall will benefit

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Mexico in those terms. It is still very, very early days but there is a

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lot to be negotiated. Thank you very much.

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One question said perhaps the Mexicans will refuse, what will

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happen then, but what Donald Trump has said and what Will was saying is

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that he wants to look at the interrogation ship between Mexico

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and the US, including trade and the wall, and any cost of the wall will

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be built into the negotiations and warned that the deal might be

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complicated. The White House also announced today

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that they would cut funding These are American cities,

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counties or states that protect undocumented immigrants

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from deportation by limiting cooperation with federal

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immigration authorities. Seattle, Los Angeles and San

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Francisco as well as Chicago, Two days after Mr Trump won

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the election, New York's Mayor said, "We are not going to sacrifice

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a half-million people who live amongst us,

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who are part of our communities. We're not going to tear

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families apart." Let's bring Anthony Zurcher back-in,

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the president said it was not about tearing apart communities but

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dealing with illegal immigration, presumably? Two decidedly different

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ways of looking at this issue. Republicans in the past and up

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through Donald Trump have seen this as major urban cities, often varied

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many of them are left-leaning, thumbing their nose at the federal

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Government and subverting their efforts at law-enforcement. This

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cities look at it as a way of taking care of people within their borders,

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if there are people who do not have normalised immigration status does

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not mean that they can't get government services or will not

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benefit from education, if they somehow just flat-out denied the

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services to people within their borders there all sorts of

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compensating factors that could make things even more difficult for the

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cities to manage. It is setting up a conflict the Trump administration

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and some powerful cities throughout the country, and it is helping to

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divide this country again on political terms because, as you may

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have noticed, lots of the cities in California, New York, Washington and

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Illinois, those states went for Hillary Clinton are not Donald

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Trump. Two more questions, they'll is in

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Kenny and says Canet President Rousseff and the previous executive

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order? -- bill is watching in Kenya and says can a president rescinds a

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previous executive order. Yes, one of the first things that Donald

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Trump reinstated after Obama rescinded it was to do with

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educational groups that might mention abortion. The thing about

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executive actions as they are only good as long as a president as it is

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in power, somebody else can come in and change them, they do not have

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the written power of law. There is a real fascination with this issue,

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one more tweets coming in from Will watching on the BBC News Channel in

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the UK, if the president can sign as many executive orders as he wants,

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does this not create a dictatorship and a threat to US democracy? That

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was a criticism, ironically enough, launched by conservatives against

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Barack Obama. He used executive orders to defer deportation for

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children, undocumented children who had come into the country and stayed

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here, and lots of Conservatives said it was a broad overreach of

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presidential power. Now you see it on the other side, Donald Trump

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using his executive authority to change immigration rules and you

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hear an outcry from the left. There seems to be a pretty substantial

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ground for justification for the president using this power, it has

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been challenged in court and a pelt before, but it is an expansion of

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presidential power and many are not happy and would much prefer to see

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the sorts of policies going through Congress the way they say this

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Government was devised. Anthony Zurcher, live with us from the BBC

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newsroom in Washington, DC. He will be with this across the hour, we are

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spending the whole hour talking about the Trump administration

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because it is moving at huge speed and changing facets of how America

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operates within its border but also how America fits into the world.

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Your questions are very welcome, we will do our best to answer them.

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#BBCOS is the hashtag, my social media contacts and I e-mail address

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are on screen. Stay with us, I will be back in a moment.

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Theresa May says the Government will publish a white paper

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on its plans for leaving the European Union.

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Some Conservative members had joined Labour in asking her for a detailed

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policy document on Brexit after yesterday's Supreme Court

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judgment that the Government had to consult parliament before

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Mrs May surprised MPs when she made the announcement

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at Prime Minister's Questions this afternoon.

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We will ensure that Parliament has every opportunity to provide that

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scrutiny on this issue as we go through this process, but I

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recognise I set out that bold plan for a global Britain last week and

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directly lies there is an appetite in this House to see that set out in

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a White Paper. The question from my honourable friend the member from

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Brock still last week in the same vein, I can confirm to the house

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that the plan will be set out in a White Paper published in this House.

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This is Outside Source live from the BBC newsroom.

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Our lead story is Donald Trump has signed executive orders launching

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plans to build a wall on the US-Mexico border and limiting

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funds to cities that protect illegal immigrants.

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We are talking about a number of stories, there have been a number of

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significant developments involving the Trump administration. Earlier we

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talked about Mr Trump saying he would get on with building the

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border wall between America and US, he has changed the way that

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sanctuary cities operate, these are cities that don't necessarily

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cooperate with federal agencies looking at immigration, Mr Trump

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wants to change that. Then this story which the New York

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Times is running, an article that claims, the BBC is not able to

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confirm, that the Trump administration is preparing

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executive orders that would drastically reduce the US role in

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the United Nations and other international organisations.

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Let's go back to Anthony live in Washington, DC. Is anybody else

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backing up this New York Times article? That is the only report I

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have seen at the moment but it doesn't surprise me given the level

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of rhetoric coming out of the Trump administration and Trump on the

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campaign Trail directed towards international organisations and the

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UN, which has attracted a particular amount of scorn from conservative

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circles when the Security Council had their resolution condemning

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Israel for its involvement in the occupied territories, so I think

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this reflects that. Nonetheless, if this happened, and I

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don't mean to be melodramatic, it would fundamentally reshape the way

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that all the major international bodies in the world work, wouldn't

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it? The US is central to them at the moment. UN bashing is nothing new

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among Republicans, I remember Ronald Reagan made comments about the UN at

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the time, it was not followed by action. We will have to wait and see

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exactly what the details, the parameters of what the Trump

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administration is proposing, if it is merely reducing US funds going to

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the UN that is nothing particularly new, republican governments have

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done that before, drastically cutting back support for

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environmental issues and various other causes in the UN urges the

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overall juice that the US is meant to pay, but if it is something more

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than that then it would be a significant change, we have never

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seen Republican administrations talked down the North Atlantic

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Treaty Organisation in the past, that is definitely knew. Stay with

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us, we will play a couple of reports and come back to you, more and more

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questions are coming in, if you want to find Anthony Zurcher online, that

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is his name on Twitter, and we all using the #BBCOS hashtag if you want

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to exchange information and answer questions.

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Let's get some more detail now on sanctuary cities.

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The BBC's Franz Strasser has been finding out more about them

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We will end the sanctuary cities, cities that refuse to cooperate with

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federal authorities will not receive taxpayer dollars.

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We're not going to be by federal policy that has us compromise values

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that we know are very defining for our community.

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What is a sanctuary city? All it means is that when a president comes

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in contact with local law enforcement, he will not be asked

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about his legal status and the local jail won't hold undocumented

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immigrants for deportation proceedings unless they regard them

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as violent criminals. Despite threats of funding cuts by

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Donald Trump, major US cities have already come out in favour of

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remaining sanctuaries. They represent a quarter of all

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undocumented residents in the US. And if they don't cooperate, it will

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be hard for the President-elect to enforce his deportation plan.

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I want you to know your city will stand by you and protect you every

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step of the way. At the root of this debate are the

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values of Santa Fe, they are values that have been in place since the

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earliest days more than 400 years ago. With 14% of our population

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being made up of immigrants, we can't afford to lose them back into

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the shadows all to see them leave our community, because we rely on

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them showing up day in, day out, to provide critical services to our

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community. My childrens are American citizens,

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and I am not. And that worries me a lot because we could be separated.

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This woman entered the country illegally with her parents as a

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child. An executive order by President Obama in 2012 gave the

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temporary legal status, a place in nursing school and a job at the

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hospital. Yet, I have a better job, my kids have a better

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quality-of-life, we have better quality-of-life. We were thinking

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about buying a house. Yeah, because I feel safe, I don't feel a great --

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afraid. That executive order, along with city century status, is under

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threat. My fear is that I will not feel free any more, I will not feel

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confident to buy house, what will happen after that? People will start

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working again like back then, cleaning houses, yard work,

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construction. Without licence. Critics of sanctuary cities say they

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shield criminals from being detected by federal authorities and put

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residents in danger. People who are here to work and work

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hard, I don't think they will be affected by any of the sweeping

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changes, it is more about the drug cartels. We have a massive drug

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problem in New Mexico. When it comes to the murder rate, Santa Fe says

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quite well against similar sized cities actively cooperating with the

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immigration and for Smit agency. Santa Fe's mayor says that while the

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city has always pursued violent criminals, it will not use local

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police to enforce sweeping deportation plans.

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We need law enforcement to focus on combating crime which can be hurtful

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to citizens, not being deportation agents of the federal policy seeking

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to destroy families and hurt people. We are looking at the Trump

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administration today and the many new policies it is bringing in. This

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is what has happened to the Dow Jones.

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The major business story of the day - the Dow Jones hit 20,000 today.

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The Dow Jones had been gaining value since the election of Donald Trump.

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It went from just under 18,000 when he was elected to 20,000 today.

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Let's get more on this from Samira Hussain.

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What should we see the Dow Jones as? What does it represent? It is

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looking at a grouping of the biggest US companies and how they are

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trading. Really what this signifies is it has crossed this milestone of

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going above 20,000 points. Does it really represent something

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significant? In a way, not really, it is just a nice really round

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number that people can wrap their heads around. It communicates a few

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things with regard to investor sentiment and I think you

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highlighted that when you mentioned the fact that we have seen markets

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skyrocketed since the election of Donald Trump. With a lot of the

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executive orders that we have seen Mr Trump signing in the last few

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days, it is a sign for Wall Street and investors that he will be making

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good on some of the promises he has major in the election campaign. Some

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of the things that people on Wall Street are really concerned about

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our regulations, and he wants to see the rollback of some of the banking

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regulations that have come into place and the reforms of some of

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America's tax codes. Based on some of the things we have seen in the

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first few days of his administration it seems like there could be likely.

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We appreciated. In the second half of the programme we will be live on

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the Washington newsroom and the State Department. Keep your

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questions coming, we will get you plenty of answers.

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Thank you for joining me and welcome to our latest update on a number of

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stories from around the world that have caught my eye

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