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This is Outside Source. The world is trying to agree how to respond to

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North Korea using this hydrogen bomb. There has been condemnation

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from all sides, but compare and contrast these two statements. When

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a rogue regime has a nuclear weapons and an ICBM pointed at you, you do

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not take steps to lower your guard. The peninsular issue must be

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resolved peacefully. China will never allow chaos and war on the

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peninsular. My Amartey is also receiving international criticism

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for its treatment of Muslims. Just four days ago there was nothing here

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and now look at it. It is a vast settlement, a temporary home for

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refugees who have come over from Myanmar and have nowhere to go. Plus

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BBC Arabic on the Islamic State group under pressure in Syria and

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the beer that -- BBC investigation into IS recruitment in the UK.

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I want to begin with the American statement at an emergency session of

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the UN Security Council earlier. To the members of the Security Council,

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I must say, enough is enough. We have taken an incremental approach

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and despite the best of intentions, it has not worked. Members of this

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council will no doubt urge negotiations and a return to talks.

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But as I have just outlined, we have engaged in numerous direct and

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multilateral talks with the North Korean regime, and time after time,

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they have not worked. The time for half measures in the Security

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Council is over. The time has come to exhaust all of our diplomatic

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means before it is too late. We must now adopt the strongest possible

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measures. Kim Jong-un's action cannot be seen as defensive. He

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wants to be acknowledged as a nuclear power. But being a nuclear

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power is not about using those terrible weapons to threaten others.

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Nuclear powers understand their responsibilities. Kim Jong-un shows

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no such understanding. His abusive use of missiles and his nuclear

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threats show that he is begging for war. All of those on the Security

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Council know that agreeing to condemn is easy but agreeing on what

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to do next is not. America and others want more sanctions. China

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and Russia don't. They are suggesting an exchange. North Korea

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stops the nuclear programme, the US and South Korea stopped their

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military drills. But Nikki Haley was not going to that today. She said

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when a rogue regime with a nuclear weapons which as intercontinental

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ballistic missiles is pointed at you, you do not take steps to lower

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your guard. This is the American position. This is what the Chinese

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said in the same meeting. The situation on the peninsular is

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deteriorating constantly, as we speak, falling into a vicious

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circle. The peninsular issue must be resolved peacefully. China will

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never allow chaos and war on the peninsula. The parties concerned

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must strengthen their sense of urgency, take due responsibilities,

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play their jewel rolls, take practical measures, make joint

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efforts together to ease the situation, restart the dialogue and

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talks, and prevent further deterioration of the situation on

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the peninsula. So China is being explicit, saying it will not allow

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war on the peninsula, do we go back 24 hours President Trump was saying

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he will be meeting his generals and other leaders to discuss North

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Korea. Thank you, says the president. That is the Chinese on

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the Americans. This is part of the South Korean response. They have

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been carrying out missile tests and live fire drills as well as

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reinforcing the new missile defence system. South Korea says it also

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believes that the North is preparing for more missile tests and that that

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matches what the North is saying. One other update to show you, some

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copy coming into the newsroom in the last few minutes with Donald Trump

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providing conceptual approval for South Korea to purchase many

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billions of dollars worth from the US. More copy here, they both

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agreed, the two presidents, to maximise pressure on North Korea

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using all means at their disposal. Earlier I spoke to Richard Lister in

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Washington to get more on America's position and their options as it

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faces this crisis. I think the United States except now that there

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are no good military options that it has at its disposal when it comes to

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North Korea. After all, successive American governments have been

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looking at the issue. President Clinton came quite close in 1994 to

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assessing whether or not to launch a military attack against North Korea

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and decided ultimately it was not worth the cost and that has been the

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assessment made by every president who has come along since, that if

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you do strike North Korea, it will inevitably strike the capital of

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South Korea, which is close to the border of North Korea and tens of

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thousands of people will almost certainly be killed and many more

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injured. The assessment is, for the moment, at least, there are no good

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military options facing the United States, but the calculation is also

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this. There is increasing concern about this and that the moment, if

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the US struck North Korea, yes, you would still have that level of

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casualties in South Korea but if you waited a couple of years and gave

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North Korea time to perfect and refine. Then it could be that the

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counter attack involves city in the US. So then what do you do? Let's

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also took about sanctions. The Americans pushing for more. Can you

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explain to viewers who might be confused that we have already had

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years of condemnation and sanctions. Why are the Americans convinced that

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more than this can make a difference? It's certainly true that

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North Korea relies on getting hard foreign currency to fund the missile

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and nuclear development programmes we have seen so much of over recent

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months. And it is clear that it needs a level of foreign funding to

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do that by selling products abroad. The seventh and the most recent

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round of sanctions were aimed at stopping the exports of coal and

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iron, for example, but not all of the North Korean exports were

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affected and targeted. It also exports a lot of textiles, mostly to

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China but also other countries and gets a lot of money from that. And

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it has foreign workers, North Korean workers in Russia and China and they

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are also able to earn a lot of foreign current -- currency. Here is

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Vincent from BBC Chinese. First of all, the Chinese approach has always

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been very consistent. It wants a diplomatic solution rather than a

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military one. In this case China might call for the resumption of the

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long collapsed six party talks. China wants to bring everybody to

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the table to talk about solving the North Korean issues, but the

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Americans are not keen. Nicky Hayley has objected to this approach with

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the UN Security Council meeting today. But I suppose China would

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insist on this because eventually China does not want to see a war on

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the Korean peninsula and on its doorstep. The Chinese could do more

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economically. They could stop oil being imported from China into North

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Korea. They could not buy products from North Korea. Why are they not

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doing it? China can do more. 80 or 90% of trade from North Korea is

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with the Chinese but if you talk to Chinese diplomats as well as the

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analysts, they feel that North Korea is such a regime that it can do what

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ever it takes to pursue the ideological goal, so even though

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China might be able to suspend the trade with North Korea, it is still

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going to pursue its nuclear facility. It is no touristy

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difficult to gauge public opinion in China on any issue, but as far as we

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can go, do we know what the people of China would like the government

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to do? -- no Torea sleep difficult. If you look at the response over the

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weekend to the test, the Chinese public are very worried about the

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approach. We have seen that people are questioning whether the

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traditional approach and whether that approach has been successful,

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and the Russian commentators will tell you that there are traumas

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following the nuclear test. , and some residents fear that any problem

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in North Korea must spill to China. For more cry on the North Korea

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crisis you can get it on the BBC News website -- for more background.

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Let's talk about the increase of Myanmar the criticism of and its

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treatment of the Rohingya minorities. They are calling for an

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end to the government military campaign. On top of that, Indonesia,

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which has the largest population of Muslims in the world -- in the

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region, is calling for action. Here is the president speaking earlier.

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Myself and the people of Indonesia, will we regret and condemn the

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violence that took place in Myanmar. There needs to be real action and

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not just criticism. The story is made all more, located by fact that

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the de facto leader of Myanmar is the Nobel Peace Prize winner and

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former political prisoner, someone fated around the world but not so

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much now. She has made no public comment since this began. This is

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what the UN thinks of this --. On top of that we have had this

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statement. All of this is happening while

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people are fleeing Myanmar at an extraordinary rate. It is estimated

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that 87,000 people have left their homes in the last ten days, most of

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them having gone to neighbouring Bangladesh. This is where we're at

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the meeting some of them. She is two days old, born inside a refugee

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camp. Her parents are Rohingyas -

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ethnic Muslims from Myanmar, denied citizenship and now fleeing

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persecution. The baby's mother says they left

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after their village was attacked, TRANSLATION: We fled

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and crossed the river We were very scared about

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what the military would do to us. After coming here, we heard

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that our house has been burnt down. Do you think you'll ever be able

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to take your baby back Their home is now a vast refugee

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camp, along with tens of Rohingyas now living

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in these squalid conditions. Many of them eating their first

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proper meal in days. Just four days ago,

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there was nothing here. It was just a side a hill

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with a clump of trees on it. It's a vast settlement, a temporary

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home for all the Rohingya refugees who've come over from Myanmar

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and have nowhere to go. Even this place is going to reach

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its limit in a few days. Bangladesh is now struggling to cope

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with the growing numbers Especially as many more

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are waiting at the border. The mask -- the vast majority of

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Rohingya Muslims live here, and these are the latest pictures we

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have from there, and the army and the confidence are blaming each

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other. Both are saying they are acting to pretend -- protect

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civilians, which leaves us with the challenge of trying to decide who to

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believe. I have turned for help to the south Asia editor of the BBC

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newsroom. It's really hard to verify, not least because

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international journalists are basically not able to get into that

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state at the moment and even some of the aid agency workers who have been

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based in the area are being blocked from entering, so it's very

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difficult. We know from some satellite imagery that the burn-outs

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are taking place and they seem to be targeting villages and houses. It is

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monsoon season so it's not a time you would expect natural fires to

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occur. And we are getting the testimony from people who are

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fleeing into Bangladeshi were talking about attacks on their home

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and villages, mostly by the Bernie 's military but also by what they

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call Buddhist militant gangs, local people who seem to be attacking

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them. We turn to Germany, just three weeks

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away from the election. Angela Merkel and Martin Schultz went live

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on TV to thrash out the main -- issues and we will hear how it went.

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In Northern Ireland, the Secretary of State has said the government

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will be forced to legislate for a budget if a storm on executive

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cannot be re-established. James Brokenshire was talking after

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meetings with the five main parties to try and resolve

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an eight-month impasse. I cannot ignore the impact that the current

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impasse is having on the local economy and the delivery of key

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public services. The window of opportunity to restore devolution

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and to form an executive is closing rapidly as we move further into the

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autumn. And with pressures in public services already evident, most

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particularly in the health service, the need for intervention is

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becoming increasingly clear. This is Outside Source and the world

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is trying to decide how to react to the latest North Korean nuclear

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test, but China and the US have very different ideas on how to handle the

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situation. So, in under three weeks, it will be the German election. Last

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night voters in their millions sat down to watch this, Angela Merkel

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taking on her main rival, Martin Schultz in a live TV with debate.

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Immigration was the central issue and there was also agreement that

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Turkey should not join the European union. Here is the thought is on how

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it went. In general, the economy keeps growing, so it's in a positive

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situation, and she is happy with her own economic situation that makes it

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difficult that anyone to really challenge Angela Merkel, especially

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when coming from a rather similar political direction. So the general

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consensus was that Angela Merkel won the debate. You did not expect

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Martin Schultz to agree with that. I think the TV debate has shown that

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there are two candidates running in this election who are capable of

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leading the country. Angela Merkel has done this for 12 years already

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and I think I have shown to the general public and Germany that I

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have a better plan for the future of the country, for a European journey

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that is strong within Europe. Let's talk to our chief European

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correspondent for Politico. Thank you for your time, Matthew. Added to

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see the debate last night? -- how did you see? It was a bit boring and

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disappointing for many of us who were hoping to see a real exchange

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between the candidates. It is the only debate that they will be having

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in the campaign season and really the only opportunity that Martin

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Schultz had to make up a lot of the ground he had lost to Angela Merkel

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over the last few months. He is about 15 points behind now so this

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really was his 1-shot to convince German voters that he is the man who

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should be running the country and, by all accounts, he failed in that

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task. I mention in my introduction that immigration came up again and

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again during the debate. Had you explain to viewers around the world

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that immigration has not become more of a problem for Angela Merkel after

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the decision she took in 2015? The reason that is simple. Over the past

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year and a half, her government has really brought that problem under

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control together with some of other European countries. They really

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stemmed the flow of new migrants into Germany and they managed to

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deal with many of those who are here, so you have about 1 million

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people who came in in 2015 and by most estimation, they are doing OK.

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You don't have people living in gymnasiums and the kind of things

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that were very unnerving to a lot of Germans at the time. Yes, you have

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problems with terrorist attacks, but the refugees don't tend to get

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blamed. Most Germans are now looking at other issues, more future

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orientated issues in terms of income, housing, internal security

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is a big topic, but also things like taxation, digitalisation and these

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things. All of which got short shrift in the debate last night.

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From what you are saying, it is less about whether Angela Merkel wins,

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but more about the size of the victory and the coalition she has to

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perform? I think at this stage it is about third place. There was another

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debate tonight between the smaller parties, several of them on German

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public television and it was a much livelier debate with actual

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differences and candidates clashing with one another and it sort of

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revived a lot of people's hopes about Germany's political culture

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because you had actual debate taking place which we did not see last

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night. So this third place question will be absolutely central when it

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comes to the coalition building that will happen after September the

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24th. Matthew, thank you very much. On Wednesday I will travel to

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Germany and we will be live on Thursday to covering the election

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campaign in Germany. This is not a planned double plug for Politico,

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but thank you to Matthew, and this is in an article they are running

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about the Brexit talks. UK seeks continuous talks to propel Brexit

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resolution. It quotes a senior UK Government officials saying they

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want a change to the current one week a month format that the warm is

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taking and they want more talks to resolve the major issues. Another

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thing to talk about is that on Tuesday the British Parliament

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begins debating the EU withdrawal bill which, if it is passed, will

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transfer relevant EU law on to the UK statute books. Chris Mason is

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here. Good to see you. What you make of the Politico story? Visit ring

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true that there is frustration at the speed? -- does it ring true?

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Yes, the British government is very keen to make progress. The European

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Union said it wanted three things resolved in the negotiations before

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a discussion starts about the future relationship in trade. They want to

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resolve the issue of the Irish border, what will be the frontier

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between the UK and the European Union, the frontier border between

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Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. The whole issue of citizens

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rights, so people from elsewhere in the EU living in the UK and British

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people living elsewhere in the EU, and then crucially the whole issue

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of what is described as the divorce payment, in other words, money. The

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progress up to those now on those three things has been pretty slow,

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to the frustration of both sides. What the British government is

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saying in a briefing at Westminster today is that they want to step up

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the frequency of the negotiations and instead of meeting one week in

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four, they want to step that up. Last week, Michel Barnier also

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entertained the idea of meeting more frequently. So while that is not

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nailed down, I think it will be quickly agreed. I guess the debate

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in the Commons later this week will be the latest test for the small

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majority that Theresa May has in the Commons. Theresa May's Parliamentary

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predicament is precarious and that is the reality she will have to live

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with. In all likelihood for as long as she is Prime Minister. There is

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this big slab of legislation that will dominate the work of the

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British Parliament for months, the European Union withdrawal bill that

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will unpick the membership of the European Union and bring back power

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to Westminster which will prove controversial and with her small

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majority it will make it all the harder for her to navigate it onto

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the statute book. Chris, good to see you. We must switch from Westminster

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to Texas, because the cost of rebuilding of the hurricane Harvey

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is climbing and the Texas governor is now saying that the damage is

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worse than hurricane Katrina in 2005. He is putting the potential

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bill at 180 billion dollars, and bear in mind that 43,000 people are

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being housed in shelters. Let's bring in Michelle, who is normally

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in New York, but she is in Dickerson, Texas. Tell us about

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Dickinson. Where I am standing right now is half an hour south of

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Houston. What happened here is that many of the streets found that,

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overnight, on Saturday when the hurricane passed through, the water

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levels, the local by you -- Bayview, started to rise on the water kept

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climbing, first a foot, then a second thought. People were in their

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homes not sure what to do. Would they need to flee? People were

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worried. Did everybody get out? As you can see now the sun is shining

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and the clean-up has begun. I don't know if you can see over my shoulder

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but a car is being towed away and many vehicles were lost. It wasn't

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just homes damaged as people are starting to clean up. The shift is

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moving from rescue to recovery. Michelle, thank you very much for

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that update. A developing story here in the BBC newsroom, because the

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UK's public relations and communications Association has

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expelled the firm Bell Pottinger, aspera it was revealed that it was

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involved in the South African campaign that fuelled Rachel

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tensions. Here is the background to the story, which involves a family,

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a powerful family. There is a hugely controversial

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set of South African They hail from India and,

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over 25 years, they have amassed phenomenal power and influence

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in South Africa. They have a conglomerate that

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spreads from mining to media. They have some problems

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with a reputation, because they are accused of rampant

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corruption, allegations they deny. They hired a British PR firm to look

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after their reputation. They did so through a firm called

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Oakbay, which they own. It seems that Bell Pottinger have

:25:30.:25:32.

been up to some mischief, basically, where they have been using some very

:25:33.:25:35.

modern methods to try to improve They are allegations that

:25:36.:25:38.

Bell Pottinger tonight, about the use of fake Twitter

:25:39.:25:41.

accounts, about spreading this very poisonous term

:25:42.:25:44.

about white monopoly capital, which is obviously toxic

:25:45.:25:45.

in a country that is riven There is more background on the

:25:46.:25:55.

story. I'll be back with you for more of the main global stories in a

:25:56.:25:56.

couple of minutes. Weather is making headlines across

:25:57.:26:12.

the world at the moment, and you can bet that when I say that, it's not

:26:13.:26:16.

going to be for the best of reasons. Let me take you into the

:26:17.:26:19.

mid-Atlantic where this particular weather system has not even made

:26:20.:26:23.

headlines yet, but as it continues to strengthen with regards to the

:26:24.:26:27.

wind, so it will turn eventually into hurricane Irma and we think it

:26:28.:26:36.

will go close to the top of the Leeward Islands in the Caribbean,

:26:37.:26:39.

and from thereon is there is a greater degree of uncertainty about

:26:40.:26:43.

its track but what I'm about to show you is a code of uncertainty. The

:26:44.:26:47.

track, we suspect will lie in that. The storm is not getting bigger,

:26:48.:26:52.

it's just that over time you can well imagine that the variables

:26:53.:26:57.

increase, and then it could go further north or south, but I am

:26:58.:27:01.

certain the Saint -- system is strengthening and the rainfall will

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be extraordinary and the wind strength will be damaging at over

:27:05.:27:10.

200 kilometres per hour. Going further west, in British Columbia,

:27:11.:27:14.

the fire season has been the worst on record with 1 million hectares

:27:15.:27:18.

burnt out and some 50,000 people since mid-July have had to leave

:27:19.:27:22.

their home at some time or another. That is not the only area on the

:27:23.:27:26.

western side of the Americas badly affected by fires. You might have

:27:27.:27:30.

seen the headlines from the weekends which suggested that the fire in the

:27:31.:27:34.

vicinity of LA was the worst in the city's history. Thankfully over the

:27:35.:27:38.

next couple of days the temperatures are set to fall and some of the

:27:39.:27:41.

winds are set to ease down, but it is relative. Let me take you to

:27:42.:27:47.

South Asia, and this story has been making the headlines because the

:27:48.:27:52.

floods have been the worst in deck dies -- decades, with 1.7 million

:27:53.:27:57.

homes destroyed in Nepal, Bangladesh and the northern states of India.

:27:58.:28:01.

The great clouds we expect to see in the monsoon are there to be had, but

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through Tuesday some of the heaviest rain might be found across some of

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the southern states of India where there has been a drought in some

:28:09.:28:13.

areas and again in Assam in north-east area -- India they have

:28:14.:28:17.

seen their fair share. This is not the only game in town because we had

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a tropical depression moving towards the southern provinces of China and

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we have another potential area for development to the north of the

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Philippines and as far ahead as Wednesday and Thursday we noticed

:28:30.:28:32.

that the islands of Japan might get more than their fair share of

:28:33.:28:36.

rainfall as well. Any good news to report on the weather front? There

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is. Still some summer heat to be had across the southern areas of Europe.

:28:42.:28:46.

Further north, low-pressure providing wet and windy fair, but if

:28:47.:28:50.

you want some really wet and windy weather, come a bit closer to home

:28:51.:28:55.

and I will leave Louise to tell you the details of all of that.

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Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

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The world is trying to agree how to respond to North Korea

:30:09.:30:11.

There's condemnation from all sides - but compare and contrast

:30:12.:30:16.

When a rogue regime has a nuclear weapons and an ICBM pointed at you,

:30:17.:30:34.

you do not take steps to lower your guard. TRANSLATION: The peninsular

:30:35.:30:39.

issue must be resolved peacefully. China will never allow chaos and war

:30:40.:30:41.

on the peninsula. And the transgender model dropped

:30:42.:30:43.

by L'Oreal for saying "all white people benefit from racism"

:30:44.:30:48.

has spoken to the BBC. I did write two bookends to the

:30:49.:30:56.

quote, talking about what people can do if they want to help, if they

:30:57.:31:00.

want to help end racism. Obviously it was taken out of context. All

:31:01.:31:02.

people saw was the angry middle bit. Plus BBC Arabic on the Islamic State

:31:03.:31:04.

Group under pressure in Syria - and a BBC investigation

:31:05.:31:08.

into IS recruitment in the UK. The American ambassador

:31:09.:31:27.

to the United Nations, has urged fellow members

:31:28.:31:29.

of the security council to take the strongest possible measures

:31:30.:31:31.

against North Korea. China took a different view,

:31:32.:31:33.

saying that it would "never allow A day after North Korea's most

:31:34.:31:56.

powerful nuclear tests, the South displayed it might. Missiles were

:31:57.:32:03.

launched from the ground and the air. It was a test run. South Korea

:32:04.:32:08.

showing off how it could attack Pyongyang's nuclear site. This is a

:32:09.:32:14.

strong reaction from a country that for months now has been desperately

:32:15.:32:17.

trying to avoid conflict in the Korean peninsula. Across the sea in

:32:18.:32:24.

Japan, the government gave worrying details about North Korea's latest

:32:25.:32:25.

test. TRANSLATION: The evidence suggests

:32:26.:32:35.

that the North conducted a hydrogen bomb test. The government had to

:32:36.:32:39.

conclude the test was a success, considering the huge power is

:32:40.:32:41.

generated. Pyongyang has successfully tested a weapon that

:32:42.:32:45.

poses a grave threat to Japan's security. A hydrogen bomb is vastly

:32:46.:32:52.

more powerful than the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima, and North Korea

:32:53.:32:57.

says that is what its leader is looking at here. The country has

:32:58.:33:04.

conducted six nuclear tests so far. But the pace has really accelerated

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since Kim Jong-un came to power. In New York, at an emergency UN

:33:11.:33:13.

Security Council meeting, the US lashed out at the North Korean

:33:14.:33:19.

leader. Nuclear powers understand the responsibilities. Kim Jong-un

:33:20.:33:24.

shows no such understanding. His abusive use of missiles and his

:33:25.:33:30.

nuclear threats show he is begging for war. The people in South Korea

:33:31.:33:34.

have dealt with the threat from the North for a long time now. But

:33:35.:33:39.

perhaps never before has a nuclear test and multiple missile tests come

:33:40.:33:43.

in such quick succession. Really ratcheting up the pressure on the

:33:44.:33:49.

government here in Seoul and it's allies. This is America's latest

:33:50.:33:53.

anti-missile system, designed to shoot down enemy rockets. It has now

:33:54.:33:59.

been deployed in South Korea. The Allies might be able to defend

:34:00.:34:04.

themselves against an attack. But no matter how much North Korea provokes

:34:05.:34:08.

them, striking the country's nuclear base is not an easy option. This is

:34:09.:34:16.

very important. North Korea will certainly retaliate and South Korea

:34:17.:34:20.

will be the main victim of being sandwiched between the hardline

:34:21.:34:29.

United States and North Korea. And so, for now, South Korea continues

:34:30.:34:32.

to build up its arsenal, while hoping never to use it.

:34:33.:34:38.

In the last couple of weeks we have talked a great deal about the Iraqi

:34:39.:34:43.

government's efforts to reclaim the town of Tal Afar in the north-west

:34:44.:34:49.

of the country, reclaim it from the Islamic State group. Last week they

:34:50.:34:58.

said they had done that, and now we must turn attention to Syria.

:34:59.:34:59.

This week in Syria, government forces there say they're closing

:35:00.:35:02.

Half of it and much of the surrounding province

:35:03.:35:06.

It's particular important to the group because its de facto

:35:07.:35:09.

For more on this I've been speaking to Rasha Qandeel from BBC Arabic.

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The Deir al-Zour battle is most probably more important than Raqqa,

:35:19.:35:25.

because basically the SDF is closing the ammunition line on the way

:35:26.:35:28.

The SDF being the Syrian Defence Force?

:35:29.:35:31.

And it's closing the ammunition line in front of so-called Islamic State.

:35:32.:35:40.

So if the battle is basically for the American forces

:35:41.:35:42.

and the Syrian regime forces, and most probably the Syrian

:35:43.:35:49.

opposition forces, that means that Islamic State,

:35:50.:35:53.

so-called Islamic State, is defeated in Raqqa as well.

:35:54.:35:58.

As we know, it is the capital for the caliphate of this organisation.

:35:59.:36:03.

So the Deir al-Zour battle is essential for the organisation,

:36:04.:36:07.

So we are in a strange situation where different countries

:36:08.:36:13.

and different groups, who don't agree on lots of things,

:36:14.:36:16.

And Deir al-Zour specifically is very important for all priorities.

:36:17.:36:25.

From the West, for example, it's very important for the Syrian

:36:26.:36:33.

regime, from the east it is important for the backed

:36:34.:36:35.

opposition, by the umbrella of the American air force.

:36:36.:36:47.

So they say, other people that are watching over this battle,

:36:48.:36:51.

they say it is part of the bigger arrangements between

:36:52.:36:54.

So, for example, if the Syrian regime is coming over the parts

:36:55.:37:02.

the United States doesn't want the Syrian regime to come,

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And if the opposition is going a little bit towards the west,

:37:07.:37:12.

where it becomes the south of Syria, where it becomes Daraa,

:37:13.:37:18.

it belongs a little bit to the territories where Jordan

:37:19.:37:21.

and the South is affected, they might actually

:37:22.:37:23.

Do you remember when we were talking about parts of the Madaya siege?

:37:24.:37:36.

The humanitarian situation was catastrophic.

:37:37.:37:40.

A few months ago we were saying that if the arrangement

:37:41.:37:44.

between the United States and Russia is becoming complicated

:37:45.:37:46.

in the south, this is actually the south-east.

:37:47.:37:51.

So this is when you and I were talking a few months ago and saying

:37:52.:37:54.

there might be a situation where it is going to become very

:37:55.:37:57.

crowded on the ground, as it was crowded in the air,

:37:58.:37:59.

and it is happening now in Deir al-Zour.

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That have been a number of deadly terror attacks in the UK this year.

:38:08.:38:13.

All of them have been claimed by the Islamic State group. This was the

:38:14.:38:17.

Westminster attack when a car was driven into pedestrians. These are

:38:18.:38:21.

pictures that came in on the evening of the London Bridge attack, when a

:38:22.:38:23.

number of people were stabbed and a van was used as a weapon. A BBC

:38:24.:38:29.

investigation has found that IS was trying to recruit people for attacks

:38:30.:38:34.

in the same locations, and they were doing this back in 2016. This is

:38:35.:38:40.

part of a report by the BBC London team, Inside Out. Reporters, posing

:38:41.:38:49.

as teenagers, contacted recruiters and passed the information to

:38:50.:38:52.

security forces as it was received. Here is a clip about a reporter

:38:53.:38:57.

talking to a recruiter trying to convince into to attack London

:38:58.:38:58.

Bridge in 2016. He was trying to persuade me to

:38:59.:39:27.

carry out some attacks. He also gave me the option of doing it alone or

:39:28.:39:35.

along with 18. -- along with a team. In December of last year, the same

:39:36.:39:40.

recruiter directed our journalist to view explicit terrorist tutorials on

:39:41.:39:45.

the Dark Web. One showed how to use a vehicle how to kill people. The

:39:46.:39:49.

other showed how to use knives and home-made bombs for maximum impact

:39:50.:39:54.

on people. Finally, there was a description of how to create a fake

:39:55.:40:00.

suicide vest, and how it can be used to stop the police from attacking

:40:01.:40:02.

you if you are standing next to civilians.

:40:03.:40:06.

That clip was from BBC London Inside Out's investigation -

:40:07.:40:09.

you can see bits of it online or the whole piece

:40:10.:40:12.

Zack Adesina is from the team, earlier I asked him how hard

:40:13.:40:21.

It was actually very easy at the time.

:40:22.:40:29.

What they were doing was advertising themselves on Twitter and Facebook.

:40:30.:40:34.

Once they had made contact with someone, or someone had

:40:35.:40:37.

made contact with them, they then introduce

:40:38.:40:38.

How quickly does the conversation escalate from general discussions

:40:39.:40:52.

around Islamic State and its beliefs to the specifics of

:40:53.:40:55.

Well, the longest time was four weeks.

:40:56.:41:03.

What you have to realise is that they are texting insistently.

:41:04.:41:06.

One of our reporters was receiving up to 24 messages a day.

:41:07.:41:11.

Do you have any indication as to where these recruiters were?

:41:12.:41:18.

We are aware that they were in Syria.

:41:19.:41:20.

Some of them, in their attempts to groom our undercover reporters,

:41:21.:41:25.

So they would film themselves in Syria.

:41:26.:41:31.

We also know from other sources that they were in Syria.

:41:32.:41:37.

Presumably, what we are learning here is that multiple attempts

:41:38.:41:39.

were made to find people who would carry out the kind

:41:40.:41:42.

Think you have hit it on the nail, that is exactly what the plans are.

:41:43.:41:48.

What we have discovered is that they attempt to groom

:41:49.:41:50.

several people at any time online, on social media sites.

:41:51.:41:57.

We've also discovered from a psychologist that they use

:41:58.:41:59.

So they have a certain trope, a way of pulling people in,

:42:00.:42:11.

and it is a method they use almost like they shoot several places

:42:12.:42:14.

and they only need one hits to get someone to carry out their acts.

:42:15.:42:18.

I must ask, because people will be wondering.

:42:19.:42:20.

Once you start engaging with people that are planning terrorism?

:42:21.:42:24.

The law is that you should not engage, and anyone that does

:42:25.:42:27.

is breaking the law and is breaking terrorism laws specifically.

:42:28.:42:29.

We were in contact with the security services right from the beginning

:42:30.:42:32.

and every single exchange we had with them was passed

:42:33.:42:35.

Of course, the problem for them is how to identify one item as a red

:42:36.:42:42.

alert as opposed to one that is a dud.

:42:43.:42:45.

That is the difficulty that they have.

:42:46.:42:55.

In a few minutes, I will play you how one transgender model who was

:42:56.:43:01.

dropped by L'Oreal for saying all white people benefit from racism has

:43:02.:43:02.

had to say about that decision. The policing Minister has told

:43:03.:43:13.

the Police Superintendents conference that the Government

:43:14.:43:15.

'is not deaf' to their concerns over Nick Hurd said in the light

:43:16.:43:18.

of recent budget cuts he realised there was a limit to how much more

:43:19.:43:22.

officers could do. A survey of superintendents found

:43:23.:43:28.

half were suffering from work related anxiety and a quarter had

:43:29.:43:30.

signs of depression. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

:43:31.:43:35.

have announced they're The Duchess is again

:43:36.:43:37.

suffering from a severe form of morning sickness -

:43:38.:43:40.

as she has done with her previous pregnancies -

:43:41.:43:43.

which meant she had to cancel Our royal correspondent

:43:44.:43:45.

Nicholas Witchell reports. The Duchess of Cambridge last week,

:43:46.:43:51.

with her husband and Prince Harry. No hint then of the announcement

:43:52.:43:54.

of a third baby for Kensington Palace was forced

:43:55.:43:57.

to disclose the pregnancy this morning because the Duchess had had

:43:58.:44:02.

to pull out of a public engagement because of acute morning sickness,

:44:03.:44:05.

the condition she experienced She's now resting

:44:06.:44:07.

at Kensington Palace. According to the statement,

:44:08.:44:14.

the Queen - opening the Queensferry Crossing

:44:15.:44:16.

near Edinburgh this morning - and other members of

:44:17.:44:18.

the Royal Family are The baby will be the Queen's sixth

:44:19.:44:20.

great-grandchild and will be fifth It's more than four years

:44:21.:44:24.

now since the birth This is an important week for him -

:44:25.:44:32.

he is due to start at his new school in London, something his mother

:44:33.:44:39.

certainly won't want to miss. The couple's second child,

:44:40.:44:42.

Princess Charlotte, She's fourth in the line

:44:43.:44:43.

of succession and she will retain that position even if the new baby

:44:44.:44:50.

is a boy. On a visit by the Cambridges

:44:51.:44:54.

to Poland a few weeks ago, Catherine joked about having another

:44:55.:44:57.

baby when she was presented It didn't seem

:44:58.:44:59.

significant at the time. Today, Prince Harry said

:45:00.:45:05.

he was delighted at the prospect I haven't seen her for a while,

:45:06.:45:08.

but I think she's OK. The news that there's to be a third

:45:09.:45:20.

child for the Cambridges comes just as William is beginning full-time

:45:21.:45:23.

Royal duties. Soon, the team of four

:45:24.:45:25.

will become five. Kensington Palace hasn't said

:45:26.:45:30.

when the new baby is due, but it must be assumed that it

:45:31.:45:34.

will be around March of next year. The lead story is that the world is

:45:35.:45:58.

continuing to try to fashion a response to North Korea's latest

:45:59.:46:02.

nuclear test, but China and the US have very different ideas of how to

:46:03.:46:03.

go about that. Colombia now -

:46:04.:46:07.

and another significant step A rebel group called

:46:08.:46:09.

the National Liberation Army or ELN We thank all of those

:46:10.:46:12.

who backed our efforts to reach this This is the first time ELN

:46:13.:46:23.

and the government have agreed It starts on October

:46:24.:46:28.

1st and was announced TRANSLATION: It will come into

:46:29.:46:38.

effect on October the 1st, initially That is to say until January

:46:39.:46:42.

the 12th of next year. And it will be renewed,

:46:43.:46:48.

depending on how the negotiations over the other

:46:49.:46:51.

points continue and are fulfilled. That's why, during this period,

:46:52.:46:55.

kidnappings, oil pipeline attacks and other hostilities

:46:56.:47:02.

against the civilian There will be some people watching

:47:03.:47:27.

that will know all about the FARC rebels, but not this group. Can you

:47:28.:47:33.

tell us about them? Yes, ELN was formed at about the same time as the

:47:34.:47:39.

FARC, strongly inspired by the Cuban revolution and they are strongly

:47:40.:47:43.

Marxist. Another element that differentiates them from FARC is

:47:44.:47:47.

that ELN has very close sympathies to the Catholic Church, because

:47:48.:47:50.

Catholic priests were members of the group some time ago. That is the

:47:51.:47:55.

difference between the two groups. What was it hoping to achieve, and

:47:56.:47:59.

can we say it has achieved any of its goals? Well, the ELN has

:48:00.:48:06.

achieved territorial control in some parts of the country. I have a map

:48:07.:48:10.

behind me of the country. This area on the Pacific post has been in

:48:11.:48:17.

control of ELN for quite some time. The area behind my head, the border

:48:18.:48:21.

with Venezuela, has also been in their control. It is not full

:48:22.:48:24.

control, they are constantly fighting with state forces, but they

:48:25.:48:29.

are very strong in the area and they profit, or used to profit, until

:48:30.:48:34.

this truce, from kidnapping, extortion and other means. So means

:48:35.:48:41.

they say they don't use, but the government accuses them of using,

:48:42.:48:45.

also profiting from drug trafficking and other illegal businesses such as

:48:46.:48:52.

illegal gold mining. It is no confidence we have this announcement

:48:53.:48:56.

just before the Pope arrives? That is exactly right. The visit has been

:48:57.:49:01.

crucial. The ELN and the government have been pushing very hard to try

:49:02.:49:05.

to figure out a way of reaching disagreement, this ceasefire, so

:49:06.:49:10.

that they could announce it in the context of the Pope's visit. As I

:49:11.:49:16.

said earlier, one key element is the close relationship and sympathy

:49:17.:49:20.

between the ELN and the Catholic Church. Thank you very much for

:49:21.:49:25.

taking us through that. We will be keeping a close eye on the Pope's

:49:26.:49:30.

visit to Colombia. We have had live reports from Colombia, Texas and

:49:31.:49:33.

also from Bangladesh. Next we are going to the BBC sports centre, to

:49:34.:49:40.

speak to Nick. Lots of World Cup qualifiers going on ahead of Russia

:49:41.:49:47.

next year. Over to you. Their goals flying in quick and fast. Germany

:49:48.:49:57.

have thrashed Norway 6-0, although certainly guaranteeing top spot.

:49:58.:50:06.

Azerbaijan out of it, the -- they showed real class to beat San

:50:07.:50:18.

Marino. Top played bottom as Poland beat Khalistan 3-0. Lewandowski got

:50:19.:50:26.

their third. They lost 4-0 to Denmark just days ago. There is a

:50:27.:50:29.

real battle for second. England top their group by five

:50:30.:50:45.

points after a 2-1 win over Slovakia at Wembley. Eric Dier and Marcus

:50:46.:50:52.

Rashford with the goals. It leaves them within touching distance of

:50:53.:50:57.

next year's World Cup. Slovakia stay in second spot. Scotland and

:50:58.:51:01.

Slovenia also won and are locked on 14 points, each in third and fourth

:51:02.:51:03.

respectively. Rafael Nadal made it through to the

:51:04.:51:09.

US open quarterfinals for the seventh time in his career by

:51:10.:51:14.

defeating his Ukrainian opponent. It was fast, just one hour and 41

:51:15.:51:19.

minutes from first serve to match point. The Spaniard won 6-2, 6-4,

:51:20.:51:28.

6-1. He hasn't made the US open last eight since capturing the 2013

:51:29.:51:35.

title. Christina Pliskova and last year's runner-up, she needed just 60

:51:36.:51:41.

minutes to sweep past Jennifer Brodie. It is her third slam

:51:42.:51:52.

quarterfinal. Star India has won the digital rights for the Indian

:51:53.:51:55.

Premier League, paying $2.5 billion for a five-year deal. Sony was the

:51:56.:52:03.

only other bidder. Facebook tried to pay $600 million for a five-year

:52:04.:52:07.

deal to stream the matches online to India and other surrounding

:52:08.:52:12.

countries, but missed out to Star. 14 companies made bids for different

:52:13.:52:19.

elements, but the consolidated offer won all. The Mumbai Indians won the

:52:20.:52:26.

2017 competition. Dave -- big-money flying around.

:52:27.:52:30.

There is much more on the BBC sport app if you want it.

:52:31.:52:35.

You may well have read about Munroe Bergdorf

:52:36.:52:37.

She was was the first transgender model to appear in a cosmetics

:52:38.:52:46.

But then she wrote a Facebook post where she argued that "all white

:52:47.:52:50.

Once I posted it, it was drenched with alt-right

:52:51.:53:02.

supporters, just people going at each other.

:53:03.:53:04.

In the post I was extremely angry and frustrated.

:53:05.:53:08.

I think we all were, about the Charlottesville attacks.

:53:09.:53:10.

About Heather dying, and just the fact

:53:11.:53:12.

that racism exists and we are not really doing anything to counter it.

:53:13.:53:20.

I don't think people really understand what

:53:21.:53:21.

I'm talking about all white people benefit from white privilege.

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It stems from a society that was put in place

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and built to benefit white people above any other race.

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Race doesn't actually exist, it's a made up thing.

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But the lighter your skin tone, the more privileges you will

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For instance, if I'm a light skinned woman, I will have a

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lot more social privilege and a dark skinned, black woman.

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I did write two bookends to that original quote,

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which actually talked about what people can do

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if they want to help, if they want to help end racism.

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But obviously it was taken out of context.

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All people saw was the angry middle bit.

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I think they have the opportunity to actually talk about

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why we need diversity and talk about why

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racism actually exists in the first place.

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They can't hire somebody and expect them to keep their mouth shut

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when it comes to inconvenient truths.

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One bit of copy to show you before we end the programme, the National

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hurricane Centre in the US says that Hurricane Irma has been upgraded to

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a category four storm and is heading towards the Caribbean.

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Hello. Mature logically speaking, the beginning of September is the

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beginning of autumn. But it did not feel like

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