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Hello, I'm Ros Atkins,

this is Outside Source.

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Theresa May isn't backing down

after Donald Trump attacked.

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The issue is him sharing

far-right videos.

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The President said don't focus

on me, focus on the Uk's problems -

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to which the Prime Minister replied.

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I'm very clear that

retweeting from Britain First

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was the wrong thing to do.

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Let's be clear - none of this

normal between the leaders

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of the US and the UK -

we'll be live in Washington DC.

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Multiple reports America's top

diplomat Rex Tillerson is facing

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the sack, here's what the President

had to say about it.

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He's here.

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Rex is here.

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Thank you very much, everybody.

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Don't hold your breath for a unified

response to North Korea.

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Russia is accusing America

of provoking Kim Jung Un.

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And China is ignoring

an America plan to cut

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of North Korea's oil supplies.

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And we'll be at the border

between Northern Ireland

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and the Republic of Ireland -

to look in detail at why this issue

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has become so central

to the Brexit talks.

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You don't criticise Donald Trump

and expect to be ignored.

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So it's proved for Theresa May

and her Number ten colleagues.

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The issue at stake is

the President's retweets of videos

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from a British far right group.

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Earlier Donald Trump

took aim on Twitter.

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This was Theresa May's

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response during a press conference

in Jordan.

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The fact that we work together does

not mean that we are afraid to say

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when we think United States have got

it wrong. I am very clear, that

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re-tweeting from Britain First was

the wrong thing to do.

The leader of

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the Conservative Party. Now the

Mayor of London.

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This is Sajid Javid, a minister in

the government, representing the

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Conservative Party.

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This is unprecedented for so many

senior British politicians to be

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openly attacking the American

President.

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It's worth noting Donald initially

tweeted the wrong Theresa May.

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Rather than the Prime Minister,

he'd targeted a woman who lives

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in Bognor on the south

coast of England.

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Not necessarily the attention

to detail you'd be looking

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for from the man in charge

of the largest nuclear

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arsenal in the world.

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Anyhow, his tweet has brought this

controversy to the boil.

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This was earlier in

the House of Commons.

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Action is needed now, not a slap on

the wrist. Cancel the state visit.

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If he is allowed to come to this

country now, you should be treated

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as anyone else who breaks the law

and charged with inciting racial

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hatred. The Government should

withdraw the invitation.

Right wing

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extremism or the sort we have seen

in National Action, which means we

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have prescribed it, is just as

hateful and dangerous as any radical

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Islamic extremism.

Help engage the

degree to which this is real

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political pressure on Theresa May?

I

think there has been widespread

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anger. We heard it in the clips you

played. The debate in Westminster

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was pretty extraordinary in terms of

the language that's what the

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politicians were using about the

American President. He was called

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stupid, racist, others said he was

evil. As we heard, President Trump

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was accused of being pandering to

the far right. There has been quite

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a lot of pressure on Theresa May. I

think we can be in no doubt about

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the anger that there is among some

politicians. Politicians from the

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Labour Party, in opposition, the

Scottish National Party, the Liberal

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Democrats. As you showed, some of

the tweets have been from

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conservatives, and senior

Conservatives. In that sense,

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Theresa May was left with no choice

to come out and speak publicly. She

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said President Trump was wrong to

have retweeted the posts. But she

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stressed the bigger picture, the

special relationship and how the

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special relationship is important

for both countries. It is in both

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countries' interests and should

continue.

Given the emphasis from

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the Prime Minister, is it really

possible she could withdraw the

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offer of a state visit?

To be

honest, I think no. Let's look at

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the real politics of this. Right

now, in the post-Brexit world, if

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you like. The UK needs that

relationship with the US, especially

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if it is going to get the trade deal

that Britain so desperately wants

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after we leave the EU. I don't think

the invitation is going to be taken

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away. Having said that, I don't

think that the state visit is going

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to happen any time soon. Theresa May

said the invitation had been

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accepted and she said it had been

extended and accepted, but she also

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said that the date had not been set.

While I think the state visit will

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happen one day, Downing Street

sources, government sources, also

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confirming that we might not see it

happening in the foreseeable future.

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Thank you very much, very

interesting to hear from

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Westminster. I doubt Donald Trump is

losing any sleep about the idea that

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people in the UK are getting upset

about this. I tested my theory with

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Laura Trevelyan in Washington.

None

at all. In fact, he is consumed with

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two other dramas. One is the Senate,

he is due to vote on what would be

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the first big legislative win for

him. Tax cuts, and also rumours

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flying around Washington that the

White House is trying to get rid of

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the Secretary of State, Rex

Tillerson, that is what the

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President has had to field questions

on today from reporters. No, this is

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Donald Trump playing to his base,

via the re-tweeting strategy.

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Remember the video of him slamming

CNN to the floor? That was a retweet

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as well. Two stages removed, it is

not me, it is just the idea that I

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am endorsing. This is an

extraordinary scene. Think of it,

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the British ambassador had to convey

to the White House yesterday that

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the British people reject the

prejudice rhetoric of the far right,

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something you would think is so

obvious that it didn't need saying.

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But this is what has been stirred

up. The British have been treated

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like almost a hostile power by the

President of the United States, who

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has been rude about the Prime

Minister and tweeted inflammatory

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material. It's pretty extraordinary.

Really, officials on both sides are

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pointing out the enduring special

relationship will also endure this.

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The issue of the state visit is

potent in the UK at the moment. Do

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you think Donald Trump puts much

store in how he greeted one way or

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another abroad?

He does, he cares a

lot about it. You need to make a big

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fuss about him. The Saudis did a

good job, there were posters of him

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on the way to the airport, which he

liked very much. He cares a lot

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about the luck of the formal visit,

but whether the British sit on this

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and don't invite him until the end

of next year, it is not a state

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visit, it is just going to the

opening of the new US embassy, I

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don't think that will bother him. It

is consuming the British more than

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him, a classic Donald Trump tactic,

you stoked outrage and move on to

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the next drama. The fate of the

state visit is a bigger drama than

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it is here. Lawmakers asking if it

will go ahead, more out of curiosity

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than anything else.

Let's pick up on

one of the things Laura mentioned,

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multiple reports that Rex Tillerson,

the US Secretary of State, will be

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sacked soon. The White House says it

is not true. If you read the New

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York Times, it is reporting Mr

Tillerson will be replaced by Mike

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Pompeo, currently the CIA director.

Vanity fair has a story quoting

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stories saying it is all but eight

done deal. The Associated Press also

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has the story. Here is Donald Trump,

answering a question about it.

He is

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here. Rex is here. Thank you very

much, everybody.

Not really a

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ringing endorsement.

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The White House expanded on that.

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A White House spokesperson said,

"As the President just

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said, "Rex is here."

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There are no personnel

announcements at this time."

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As you'll have noted,

that's not a denial.

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And this the latest instalment

in a long-running story.

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In October NBC reported

that the Vice President had had

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to stop Mr Tillerson from resigning.

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This was Mr Tillerson's

response to that.

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The Vice President has never had to

persuade me to remain as Secretary

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of State because I have never

considered leaving this post.

Lets

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talk to Barbara Plett-Usher. We had

a briefing in the last hour from the

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State Department. Any clues?

Well,

the message is that it is business

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as usual. The secretary has had a

busy day, didn't give any indication

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during the day he was about to lose

his job. Lots of meetings, lots of

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phone calls, twice to the White

House. The spokesperson here also

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said that General Kelly, the chief

of staff, and who has been reported

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as being behind the plan to oust

him, he called the State Department

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and said there was no such plan. The

secretary saves at the pleasure of

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the President, but he has been given

no indication that will change. His

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feathers do not get easily ruffled,

that is how the spokesperson put it.

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He has heard these stories before

and who will keep doing his job

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until he hears otherwise.

How do we

gauge the stories? The New York

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Times, Vanity fair, reputable

sources in the US media, but sources

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that have been critical of Mr Trump.

Is there anyway of dissecting what

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they are telling us?

It seems pretty

clear that there are elements in the

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White House that want there to be a

shift, who want Mr Tillerson out and

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they want the CIA director, Mike

Pompeo, to replace. The idea has

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been around for a time. Well,

months. We have been hearing the

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rumours for months.

That is a long

time in Mr Trump's administration!

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Yes, perhaps that is true. Perhaps

the question is how much Mr Trump

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wants that to happen. We have heard

multiple reports of strained

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relations between the men, public

signs of disagreement over policy.

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Mr Trump, undermining his secretary

with his tweets. We know it is not

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an easy relationship. The question

is, how much does this plan, which

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seems to be supported by elements

within the White House, how much it

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is something that Mr Trump wants to

happen and will see carried through?

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The senator that is probably Mr

Tillerson's strongest ally in

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Congress said he thought there was a

plan afoot to undermine him from the

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White House, but he could not say

who it was. He was distancing it

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from Mr Trump himself. We don't

really know how exactly it will turn

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out. We do know this is not the only

pressure on Mr Tillerson. He is not

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very popular in the State

Department. He has come under a lot

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of criticism.

Assuming he is in the

job, he will be travelling again

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soon. Tell us about his plans.

He is

travelling to Europe, to a number of

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European capitals. He is going to be

going to Nato. He had a speech this

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week, previewing the trip. It was

the least America First speech I

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have heard from this administration.

He talked about the shared history,

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the need for the Allies to cooperate

personally on security, he talked

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about America's strong commitment to

Europe. So, stronger than things

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that Mr Trump has said publicly.

That was a very strong message that

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many people wanted to hear, that was

the message he said he wanted to

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carry to Europe. Will he be able to

deliver that convincingly, given the

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questions over his position back

here? That is an important question

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to ask. According to the State

Department did his job, it is his

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position and will carry it through.

In a few minutes we will report from

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the border between Northern Ireland

and the Republic of Ireland. This

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issue is becoming absolutely central

to whether the Brexit talks can move

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onto the next phase.

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More than 8 million people suffer

from migraines every year.

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The headaches can be

completely debilitating.

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In two clinical trials

new drugs have been tested

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which appear to help people

who suffer from migraines.

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The new approach uses anti-bodies

which shield the nervous

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system from the headaches.

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The research found that the drugs

helped to prevent the number

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and severity of attacks.

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Dr Fayyaz Ahmed, a consultant

neurologist explained why this drug

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was so significant for migraine

sufferers.

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I think this is the first drug that

is migraine specific, not developed

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for blood pressure, epilepsy or

other things, it is a migraine drug.

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We have never had a preventive

treatment for migraine. We have had

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acute treatment, that was migraine

specific, but this would prevent it.

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In the long run, this would be

injectable by the patients

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themselves. It is a huge

development, as such.

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The lead story is that Theresa May

has repeated her criticism of Donald

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Trump re-tweeting extremist

anti-Muslim videos on Twitter. But

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she says it will not harm the

relationship between the US and the

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UK.

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Other stories being covered

by our language services...

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Aid workers in Syria say 500

people need urgent medical

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evacuation from a besieged,

rebel-held enclave

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on the outskirts of Damascus.

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A ceasefire is supposed

to be in place.

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Angela Merkel is holding talks

with leader of the social democrats

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Martin Schulz to see if they can

thrash out a deal

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to form a government.

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Mr Schulz has previously ruled this

out - but he's back at the table.

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No government will mean

another election next year.

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As we often talk about,

there are three issues that need

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to be resolved for Brexit talks

to progress - citizens'

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rights, the divorce bill,

and the Irish border.

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On that last issue, the Times

reports the UK will give extra

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powers to Northern Ireland that

might enable its customs set up to

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be close to that of the Republic's.

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The border is between Northern

Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

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It's the UK's only land

border with the EU -

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so after Brexit, customs posts

and security checks could

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in theory be necessary.

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A hard border would mean goods

and services couldn't cross freely -

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nor could the 30,000 people who do

so to travel to work.

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Chris Buckler has been

speaking to some of them.

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Marry Lindsey lives in County Durham

Donegal and crosses the border to go

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to her job as principal of a school.

This is the old customs post. That

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was the place where you were

stamped.

It is a 15 minute Drive and

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her concerns about a hard border go

beyond potential traffic delays.

The

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communities are quite seamless now,

but there has been a lot of talk

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about the economy and what impact it

would have, much less so about the

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social fabric of a society of a

border people.

The UK and Irish

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governments say they don't want a

hard border.

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But the complication is that the UK

wants to leave the customs union

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and single market of the EU.

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First, here's the UK's

Northern Ireland Secretary.

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As we leave the European Union, we

leave the single market and we leave

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the customs union. But we know that

there needs to be specific outcomes

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to meet the unique circumstances of

Northern Ireland and the island of

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Ireland as a whole.

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Now remember all 27 EU countries

need to agree before Brexit talks

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can progress to the next phase.

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So Ireland could, in theory,

stop that happening.

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Here's the Irish Foreign Minister

with the Chris Buckler.

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This is an historic moment and we're

not going to allow the re-emergence

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of a physical border on this island.

The European Union will support us

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on that. There will be no need to

use a veto.

It sounds like if you

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did have to do, you would be

prepared to use it?

The EU side, in

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my view, will extend phase one and

not progress phase two unless we

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make sufficient progress in all

three areas.

And it is the border

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that is the sticking point?

The

border is the sticking point and we

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need a credible site of parameters

in which we can solve the border

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issues.

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You can imagine how keen people

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on both sides of the border

are to see this resolved.

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Chris Page has spent

the day right beside it.

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I spent the day here, travelling the

full length of the Irish border. It

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is nearly 300 miles long. Behind me,

that bridge, it is one of almost

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three Hundred Rd crossings that

pretty much less trade is why this

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is such a difficult problem. There

are no customs checks or anything

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like that. Anybody can walk or drive

across. You hardly know you are

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passing from one country into

another. On the other side of the

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river, Northern Ireland, the UK. I

am standing over the border in the

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Republic of Ireland. How do you

resolve this? As we have heard,

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there is a bit of disagreement

between Britain and the Irish

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government. The Irish government,

one of the 27 EU states that will be

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negotiating with Britain. The

British Government say you can avoid

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physical checks on the border if you

employ some kind of technology, some

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kind of electronic monitoring system

for declaring goods even if you have

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the UK outside the customs union and

the Republic of Ireland inside it.

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The Irish government say that is not

going to work, they would like a

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situation where Northern Ireland

continues to follow the rules of the

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European Union on customs, even if

the rest of the UK doesn't. The

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problem with is that would mean

checks between Northern Ireland and

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the rest of the UK. Unionists, the

political group that wanted to

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protect Northern Ireland's position

in the UK, they are not happy about

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that. They are suspicious of

anything that might be playing into

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the hands of Irish nationalists, who

want Northern Ireland to become part

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of the Republic of Ireland. So for

Unionists, it might feel like

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Northern Ireland is being cut off

from the UK. Unionists are in a

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particularly influential position in

UK politics because the main party,

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the Democratic Unionist Party, is

holding the balance of power in

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London, propping up the minority

government led by Theresa May and

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the Democratic Unionist Party have

made it clear they would not stand

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for the arrangement where Northern

Ireland continues to follow European

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rules, when the rest of the UK

doesn't.

On Monday, with the help of

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Chris Morris, we are going to be

spending the whole programme looking

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at Brexit and the many elements of

it. Do tune in for that and we will

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be taking your questions through the

hour. Time for the business.

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US stocks hit fresh

all-time highs today -

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the Dow opened above 24,000

for the first time ever.

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Has been going on not just for the

last year, but over the last few

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months it has been steeper.

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The boost came as US lawmakers

neared a vote on tax reform.

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One of the last remaining

senators holding out,

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Republican senator John McCain,

said he'll back the bill,

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increasing its chances of passing.

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Samira Hussein is here. Specific

around the music around the tax

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reform and the hike?

US markets out

downright euphoric of the prospect

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of any major tax reform happening.

The holdout senators, like Senator

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John McCain, they are saying that

this bill has got its problems, but,

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overall, I think it does the job,

therefore I am going to support it,

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that has US markets shooting past

the 24,000 mark. During today's

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trading it was up some 350 points.

One thing I do want to mention, an

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anecdote, I was on the floor of the

New York Stock Exchange this morning

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when it opened. When it crossed the

24,000 mark. Pask milestones on the

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New York Stock Exchange, you saw

that everyone was walking around

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with a lot of hats. I really didn't

see that many hats. It signals to

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me, goodness, we are just coming

across these milestones so often

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that they can't even make the hats

fast enough.

Donald Trump likes

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pointing out to the strength of the

Dow and saying it is evidence that

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the US economy is doing well, but it

is not quite as simple as that. The

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height of the stock market doesn't

necessarily equal economic strength?

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No, there are a few reasons why we

could be seeing these big market

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highs. One of them is of course that

we are still in an era of

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accommodative easing. We have an

easy-going monetary policy. That is

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really done by the US central bank.

Interest rates are really low,

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people have a lot of capital

swooshing around. They need to

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invest it somewhere. That is why you

are seeing some of these big highs.

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Thank you very much indeed.

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The cartel of major oil producers,

OPEC, has agreed to continue

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to extend production cuts

until the end of next year.

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The deal was struck at a meeting

in Vienna, and pushed the price

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of oil slightly higher.

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The BBC's Bethany Bell

was at the meeting and

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the news conference.

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It has been on the cards for a while

now. There was the understanding

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here among the Opec and the non-Opec

producers that they say their

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strategy to try to boost prices by

cutting production has worked. They

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say that there is further work to be

done in terms of rebalancing the

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market. That is why they have agreed

to extend the cuts until the end of

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2018. There is, of course, a little

bit of nervousness. Some people fear

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that by continuing to cut production

they open the door to other

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producers, notably US shale

producers.

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Google is being sued in the UK,

accused of collecting the personal

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data of millions of users,

in the first mass legal action

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of its kind in Britain.

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The action group -

called Google You Owe Us - claims

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Google unlawfully took information

from 5.4 million UK users

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by bypassing privacy

settings on their iPhones.

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We spoke to the head of the action

group, Richard Lloyd.

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At the time, they said to everybody

if you have an iPhone don't worry,

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we cannot take your personal

information when you use it, it's

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impossible, the default security

settings will not allow us. Apple

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confirmed that. At the same time,

Google were secretly placing cookies

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on iPhones and taking personal data,

regardless. This is the Data

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Protection Act, companies can't take

their personal data. In Google's

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case, they can use it for enormous

profit. They didn't have our

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consent, and bakes the city said at

the time, don't worry, we're not

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doing this. That is why they were

getting a record fine in the United

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States. We think this was a global

problem and I was in contact with a

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lot of consumer organisations around

the world, thinking that there may

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be millions of people in my country

for whom Google ripped off their

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data without consent. They need to

be held to account in my country as

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well.

I will see you in a

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