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Tonight on Panorama we go behind the click to expose what happens when

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you buy from the world's biggest online retailer. The level of

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pressure on people is just incredible. I have never seen

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anything like it. Undercover at Amazon. The job that pushes workers

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to the limit. A job where every second counts. And

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workers racing a computerised clock. Even when the lights don't work. It

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is impossible to try and see in the dark. A workplace that could damage

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your health. The characteristics of this type of job increase the risks

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of mental and physical illness. The big Christmas shop is changing.

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There has been a revolution in the way we buy. Every year we do more

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and more shopping online. Shopping is now something that we can do on

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our own, on our laptops and in our homes. The physical side is done by

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other people. We don't see that anymore. And one company has led the

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way, the biggest online retailer on the planet. How much of your

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Christmas shopping will be done on Amazon? Lots. Probably about 40%. I

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like it because it is quick and easy to do. It is easy. Trustworthy. It

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is exciting having it come to your doorstep as well. Amazon used to

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sell only books but now you can buy virtually anything. Cheap and

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efficient, from click to your door. Who wouldn't want that? Amazon is an

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amazing company from our perspective because despite the fact it turned

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over $61 billion of revenue last year, it is still continuing to grow

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out of revenue last year, it is still continuing to grow at the

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nominal rate. There seems because it has a strong business model and a

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strong customer base. This is where your click becomes real. Most of

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what you choose on the site is stored in a series of warehouses. So

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when you buy on Amazon, it is just one click. But that click ends up

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here, at one of the enormous distribution centres. And inside,

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someone has to go and find the thing you have just bought. There are

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eight of these warehouses across the UK. They cover nearly 5 million

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square feet. At this time of year, Amazon employs around 20,000 people.

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But the unions have been complaining about the working conditions. The

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level of pressure on people is just incredible. I have never seen

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anything like it. Independently we spoke to more than 30 former

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workers. A few were positive but would not be filmed. Most were

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critical. This job does not compare to any other job that I have done,

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to be honest. It is the most depressing place I have ever been

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to. A disgusting place to work. Really quiet, eerie, like a funeral

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most of the time. Really dark. People in lines and lines. The only

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way I would go back to Amazon is if I had nothing left. Amazon says it

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is proud of providing a safe and positive workplace and that these

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descriptions don't reflect the views of the vast majority of its

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employees. We want to find out what it is like inside by going

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undercover. So we took advice. Chris used to work as a security guard for

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Amazon. He has asked us to hide his face and disguise his voice. He says

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getting a hidden camera inside will be hard. To prevent theft, there is

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CCTV, and workers have to regularly walk through their S -- walk-through

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airport style security. Good luck. I doubt that you will get out with any

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footage. I think it will be confiscated quite quickly. Good luck

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with that. This is the man who is going to try to check out Amazon.

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Adam Littler is a 23-year-old graduate. He keeps himself fit and

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he has done manual work before. When I have worked in these factories and

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warehouses doing these manual jobs, I have found that they are

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physically demanding, but it has never been any more than I expected.

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It has not been an issue. He has got a job at Amazon through an agency.

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We think we have found a way to smuggle our secret camera past

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security. We are in. This is the Swansea warehouse. 800,000 square

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feet of storage. His job is as a pickup. He collect is what we buy

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from the miles of shelving. And this bleak controls his working life. --

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this beep. The handset tells him what to collect and put on his

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trolley and gives him a set number of seconds to find each product.

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This green counts him down. -- the screen. For the first few months,

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you worked on the day shift and we gave him a wristband that measures

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his mileage. I have been measuring my walking using the wristband and I

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have walked just short of six miles today. Later Adam gets put on the

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night shift. This means his pay goes up from ?6.50 to ?8.25 per hour. It

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is four shifts a week, each ten and a half hours long with one hour's

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break. The trolley is heavy and he is really feeling the strain. Items

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are stored on four floors. The cart travels in a lift. Adam have to take

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the stairs. And on the night shift, his mileage is increasing. Adam is

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finding it exhausting. I managed to walk, or hobbled, nearly 11 miles.

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Just short of 11 miles last night. I am absolutely shattered. My feet

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other thing that is bothering me the most, to be honest. Today was a bit

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of a struggle, really, because I have another blister or two on my

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feet. Amazon says that new recruits are warned that some jobs are

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physically demanding. They say that some workers seek these positions

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because they enjoy the active nature of the work. There are other issues

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inside. The lights are activated by motion sensors. They don't always

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work. It means that Adam is sometimes working in the dark.

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14 seconds to try and see in the dark. And even in the dark, his

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scanner is still counting down the seconds.

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It happens regularly but Amazon told us there are thousands of lights in

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their centres and occasionally faults developed, which they work

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quickly to fix. I met up with Adam after a shift. He says he is

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exhausted because the work is nonstop. People at home might think

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this is a good system. He has worked every minute of his shift. Obviously

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you expect to work hard and put the effort in. It is just the added

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pressure. There is a lot of walking involved. The cart gets very heavy.

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It is quite gruelling on the body, really. So Adam is finding the ten

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and a half hour night shifts hard. The experts we consulted said he

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should not even be doing them. If the work involves heavy physical or

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mental strain, that might work should not work more than eight

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hours in any 24 hour period. -- the night worker. We have to protect the

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interests of the employees. That could put Amazon in breach of the

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working time regulations, but Amazon told us this was lawful. They sought

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legal advice to make sure the shifts comply with all relevant legal

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requirements. Just down the road in Cardiff, Paul Came runs a very

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different kind of warehouse. He sells books wholesale, online and

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through his own shops. The staff here have a similar job to Adam. And

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Paul have to get the best from them. In a small business everybody pulls

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together. If they are falling behind because we are busy, they just shout

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for help. I would not work them into the ground. This business is

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struggling and that is partly due to the rise of Amazon. Looking at the

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new Alex Ferguson biography, I think it has been the fastest selling

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nonfiction hardback ever. He is now trying to sell his books on Amazon.

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Amazon allows other retailers to sell through their website, giving

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them greater exposure, but they have to pay 15% commission, and Paul says

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that he cannot match Amazon's prices. Amazon on the top selling at

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?12. And how far down are we? Quite away. 13, 14, 15, 16, at ?15.42. If

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you are ?3 more expensive than Amazon at the top of the list, how

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many will you sell? I might not sell any. Amazon has undoubtedly changed

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the industry. They have lowered prices and they are trusted by

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millions of shoppers. It is grim for you but isn't it good for consumers?

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They can get much cheaper books. A lot are probably thinking it is good

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because it has pushed the price down. The British taxpayer has

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helped Amazon build its business in the UK. The Scottish Government

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awarded Amazon a grant of ?6.8 million in return for the promise of

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1700 jobs. And the Welsh Government awarded Amazon a grant of ?8.8

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million towards the warehouse where Adam has been working. And that is

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not all. This road shows how much effort was made to get Amazon to

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come to South Wales. When Amazon were considering this site, they

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said they would need a road. And the Welsh Assembly Government said,

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fine, we will build you one. And ?4.9 million later, trucks are on

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the road which is called Ffordd Amazon in Welsh, which for the rest

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of us is Amazon Way. The Welsh Assembly says the investment was

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worthwhile because it will create 1200 jobs in Swansea. Amazon told us

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it has invested more than ?1 billion and created 5000 permanent jobs

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across the UK. Back in the warehouse, Adam is struggling. His

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target is to pick 110 items per hour, nearly two per minute. His

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scanner shows him how he is getting on.

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He is working hard but he rarely reaches his target.

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I've never done a job like this before.

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Every time Adam scans a wrong item, the handset lets him know. It

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happens regularly. The beeping is starting to get under his skin. Last

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night I had trouble falling asleep because the beeping sounds that the

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scanners make, erm, were, were just going, going off in my head. The

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scanner allows managers to see how fast Adam has been picking over the

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last few weeks. Adam's not the only worker who seems

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to be struggling to meet targets. Amazon says productivity targets are

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set objectively based on previous performance levels achieved by the

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workforce. Most people in the warehouse seem to have targets -

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like this shelf-stacker. For those ten hours, we are

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machines, we are robots, we plug our scanner to... We're holding it, but

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we might as well be plugging it into ourselves. We don't think for

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ourselves, maybe they don't trust us to think for ourselves as human

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beings, I don't know. Hitting targets matters - if you

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miss them you can face disciplinary action Scores - they're a bit down.

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He was picking an item on average every 37 seconds - Amazon want him

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to be four seconds quicker. On another shift, Adam asks a

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different manager what will happen if he doesn't speed up.

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Of course, many companies have performance targets and Amazon says

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only two of its 5,000 permanent employees have been sacked for poor

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productivity this year. But Amazon wouldn't tell us how many temporary

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workers like Adam were affected. He has found it a tough job with tough

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targets, but could it also be bad for Adam's health? Professor Michael

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Marmot is an expert on stress at work.

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I'll pick the item, scan it and then it'll start counting down on the

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screen to get to the next location and pick the item as well. Counting

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down and giving you the timings? Yeah. So you are literally against

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the clock for each stage of the journey? It's telling you how long

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you have to get to the next location and pack the item? Yeah, from...

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From each one. So, it counts down and you scan to pick, pick an item,

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and it resets. So what does Professor Marmot think of what he's

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seen? What we know about work environments

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from a variety of studies around the world in different sort of jobs

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suggest that various dimensions of the work environment are bad for

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health. And it's almost as if what I've just heard has taken them all.

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All of them, and distilled them into a short sharp shock, and said, "Here

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you are, here's all the bad stuff all at once."

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Professor Marmot has no doubt that working like this can be bad for

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your health. A job where you have little control but are under

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pressure can be a dangerous combination. The characteristics of

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this type of job, the evidence shows increased risk of mental illness and

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physical illness. Amazon says staff safety is its

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"number one priority" and official safety inspections have not raised

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concerns. An independent expert appointed by Amazon said the job

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isn't unusual and "does not increase the risk of mental and physical

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illness". But any kind of sickness at Amazon can come at a price. The

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company operate a disciplinary system based on points. Adam was

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told if he got three points he'd be fired. A day off for illness earns

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you one point - even going home sick gets you half a point. It was a

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Friday afternoon, I rang in sick and I got a point straightaway for it. I

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had to go home about half-way through the shift because I'd been

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throwing up, and I got half a point for that. I threw my back out. I

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then received a point for that sickness. Once you build up three

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points you are out of a job. If... Once you hit one point, it's a

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warning, two points it's a final warning and your third point is, get

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out the door. Amazon say only 11 of its permanent

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employees have been dismissed for attendance this year, and the system

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they use is fair and predictable. Back in the warehouse, Adam is

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picking up disciplinary points. Being late costs half a point - and

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Adam has been late twice. But then he is told there's another late he

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didn't know about. So, for being two minutes late, he's

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got another half a point. It's getting more serious, he has

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one-and-a-half points. The points will be cleared from his

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record after three months. But even if Adam doesn't reach three points,

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he might not keep his job. Amazon is taking on 15,000 temporary workers

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for Christmas. Adam's told after the holidays, those with the worst

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records will go. It's organisational injustice. It's

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not, my boss is a rotter and treats me badly and he's unfair to me. It's

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not that. It's the sense that, the way that the organisation is

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structured is unjust and there is injustice.

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Amazon strongly denies exploiting its workers or dismissing them

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without good reason. It says it has created 2,300 new "permanent

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positions" but "simply cannot retain 15,000 seasonal workers".

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Local book trader Paul Came is still struggling to compete. Today, he's

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closing his shop in Monmouth. It's the seventh he has closed in the

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last five years. This shop will close in the next 30 minutes.

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Tonight, we will stock take the shop for the closing down stock, then

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tomorrow I'll have a couple of my lads will be up and we'll pack

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everything away. So, yeah, difficult, emotional - not something

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you want to go through as often as I've had to over the past five

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years. I really, really enjoyed it. It's been lovely. Thanks for all

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support. You know we've tried. So yes, it's a sad day, but thanks

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again for everything. All good things come to an end. Ah!

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Difficult. Back in the warehouse, Adam has told

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his managers about his blisters - he's been moved to a picking job

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that involved less walking. But it's still more than six miles a night.

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On this job, he works a smaller area but has higher targets. He's hitting

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them some of the time. But he always tires as his shift

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wears on. His pick rate falls and the managers can see it.

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On another shift, Adam feels unwell so has to go home. That's another

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disciplinary offence and another half a point. So, when he comes in

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for his next shift, he's up to two points - that means a final warning.

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Adam is now back on the tougher shifts. He's on two points and has a

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final warning. We think he's seen enough, and he resigns. For Adam -

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life behind the click was hard. Like a lot of people, I'm used to

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Amazon as a customer, and it's convenient and bright. So I sort of

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thought if I was going to go and work for the company, it would sort

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of be a happy, positive place. But it seems to be the complete

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opposite, to be honest. You know, it's not - not like any other job

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that I've done before. Paul Came, the Cardiff book trader,

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is trying to fight back. Tonight is the launch party. Paul has his own

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website. Long overdue, a dream of my son's. If you'd like to, Warren, I

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think we should click it together just to launch it and go live. We

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will be able to be more competitive with prices, that is, the 15% that

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we're paying Amazon, we can use to discount books a bit more. I did say

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at the beginning, if you can't beat them, join them.

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There's no doubt Amazon has forced the competition to change. They've

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told us they rely on the good judgment of thousands of

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employees... What's certainly true is that from

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click to delivery, they're cheap and efficient - but does that efficiency

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come at a price for workers? This is happening in our back yard, this is

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happening in this country. And being seduced by getting a couple of

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pounds off a product, you've got to ask yourself what price are we

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paying. Now if you say to me, yeah, but they're always going to be

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menial jobs. Well, of course, but we can make them better or worse. And

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it seems to me the demands of efficiency at the cost of

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individuals' health and wellbeing - it's got to be balanced.

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Millions of us will be buying presents on Amazon over the next

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couple of weeks. The Amazon click has made our Christmas easier and

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given us more time - but the fetching and carrying hasn't gone

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away. It's just being done by someone else - working hard and up

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against the clock. Next week - we investigate the UK

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aid that should be used to save lives that's gone astray.

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