15/05/2017 Reporting Scotland


15/05/2017

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On Election Reporting Scotland tonight.

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It's all about Brexit tonight - the SNP say if they win in Scotland

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it'll give them a stronger hand, something the Tories,

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And we'll be in Moray - which was the most divided area

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in last year's EU Referendum - to find out what issues

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It's almost bedtime but not before we take you through Monday's events

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on the election campaign trail in Scotland.

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Today has been all about Brexit after First Minister Nicola Sturgeon

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told BBC Radio Scotland an SNP vote would strengthen her hand

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Our Political Correspondent Glenn Campbell reports.

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In Hamilton, Nicola Sturgeon is reviving an old song

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for this election campaign, renewing an earlier call for the UK

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An election gives an opportunity for people to back those proposals

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so that whether you are for or against leaving the EU,

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you can make sure the way in which we leave the EU doesn't

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crash the Scottish economy and sacrifice thousands of jobs.

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Nicola Sturgeon 's first proposed single market membership

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as her bottom line back in December, when it became clear the UK

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Government wasn't prepared to entertain her ideas she demanded

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the power to hold a second referendum on Scottish independence.

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Theresa May rejected that call and has committed to taking

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all of the UK out of the single market and negotiating

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The Tories are not convinced the SNP wants those talks to succeed.

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Nicola Sturgeon said she wants a place at the table negotiating

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Brexit but she also says she wants to be out of the UK and in the EU

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so it begs the question what side of the table does she want to be on?

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At the weekend the SNP leader said if Scotland became independent

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market as a staging post to getting back into the EU.

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In a Borders butchers, the Liberal Democrats said voters

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would not buy the SNP's approach to Brexit.

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They are now selling out pro-Europeans in order to get

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Brexiteers back on board, watering down the policy on Europe

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Visiting a food bank in Glasgow, the Labour leader said the SNP's

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position on EU relations was far from clear.

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I think it is embarrassing for SNP on the issue of Europe,

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Sometimes they say Scotland would have to apply to Europe,

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sometimes Scotland would automatically stay,

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other days we would go for the Norwegian example.

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This is the First Minister's entire justification for a second

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Today, she says the more immediate priority is getting a Brexit

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deal that keeps Scotland in the single market.

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So Brexit matters to politicians, but is it a major issue in this

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Nowhere in Scotland was more divided on the subject than Moray where less

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than 122 votes separated leave and remain in the EU referendum.

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Our political correspondent Nick Eardley has been

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in the constituency to find out how Brexit might impact

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I am right on the north-east coast of Scotland, still a small

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VOICEOVER: On the Scottish north-east coast, home of a famous

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soup, and electric made up of different political voters.

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Service personnel, agriculture, tourism, like here at the hotel,

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Nobody knows what Brexit will be like.

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Iain Watson voted remain, his view now?

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We have got to make sure that we get the best resolution for everyone.

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It is either going to be me, as MP, or it is going to be a Tory

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who is going to give a blank cheque to Theresa May, I don't think

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Given what the single market means to the economy of Moray.

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We took a Whisky Trail to test the area.

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In many ways, I would naturally support the Conservatives,

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But this is driving me in other directions.

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I was keen on leave, I remember the days when we were not

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in Europe and we seemed to do well then.

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Douglas Ross is campaigning, he will be hoping to appeal

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to voters like Nigel, the SNP has a 9000 majority in 2015,

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the top Tories think their message to voters is getting through.

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We are concerned that the Scottish Nationalists will keep us out

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of Westminster in an independent Scotland will go straight back

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into Europe, majority of people who voted remain are also concerned

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that their vote is taken as a proxy to hold another second divisive

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Along the road, others are vying for Moray's vote as well.

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We will fight this hard Brexit because he think it will be very

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damaging to the economy, especially as Moray relies

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upon exports in his food and drink industry.

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We are the only party that can offer that other opportunity,

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an opportunity to look at how we best fit in Europe long term,

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and how we can remain in Scotland and in the UK.

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And some more views on how Brexit will influence the vote here.

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It is a bit of a mix up here, I have heard positive and negative.

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Or will Moray turned Conservative blue?

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There are five candidates standing in Moray.

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Here they are and you can find details of all the candidates

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standing in the General Election in every constituency

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More from the campaign trail coming up, but first Catriona Shearer

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How to deal with a growing number of elderly and disabled prisoners,

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It's a problem the Scottish Prison Service is now trying

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to address with a report to be published tomorrow.

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One idea could be a secure old people's home where elderly

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and infirm prisoners could be cared for while serving their sentence.

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Our Home Affairs Correspondent, Reevel Alderson reports.

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Behind barbed wire and high fences are those who have

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forfeited their liberty because they have committed crimes,

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This murderer serving 37 news will be 106 before

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The number of older prisoners in Scotland has risen dramatically.

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Most recent figures put it to almost 1,000, up

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down to the increasing historical sex offenders in jail.

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The figure is now 1100, 15% of the total prison population.

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Former Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill says prisons are not

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designed to home older prisoners, he says a secure old folks

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It was never designed for septuagenarians

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or octogenarians, so we need institutions able to look after them

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It is better for them, for the staff and for other prisoners who have

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to have their own challenging needs dealt with.

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This prison has narrow stairs and bunk beds,

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unsuitable for prisoners who would require social care

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packages in the community because of disability or dementia.

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Even modern jails with lifts built in are not geared up to deal

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We have prison staff able to deal with prisoners,

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but there is a gap in the middle for social care, which we

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are currently having to fill with agency staff.

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The cost in the current year for those agency staff something

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The report says there is a case to be made that elderly or disabled

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prisoners can be considered as a distinct population

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After a frantic weekend of work to secure NHS IT systems,

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the Scottish Goverment says it warned Health Boards in February

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11 boards across the country were affected

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One expert has warned the NHS in Scotland is vulnerable to future

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attacks unless it invests far more in updating its systems.

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The Scottish Government says it's looking at what lessons

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A court's heard that a lawyer who handled Craig Whyte's takeover

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of Rangers told him he'd be "mad" to do the deal.

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Gary Withey told the High Court in Glasgow that he advised Mr Whyte

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to walk away after being shocked about how little

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financial information was provided by the sellers.

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Mr Wyte denies acquiring Rangers by fraud in May 2011.

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He denies a second charge under the Companies Act.

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More than 500 people have signed a petition calling on NHS Shetland

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to reverse plans to force patients to travel

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by ferry for hospital appointments in Aberdeen.

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As part of a cost-cutting measure, many patients face a 14-hour

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overnight boat journey, instead of a 50-minute flight.

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NHS Shetland is to hold a special meeting next week to decide

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if the new travel policy should go ahead.

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The number of empty shops in Scotland is at it highest level

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The vacancy rate of 9.2% comes as figures

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from the Scottish Retail Consortium suggest that footfall

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in high streets and retail parks has increased,

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although it has fallen in shopping centres.

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Now to one of the key battlegrounds in the campaign.

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Last week on this programme we heard from the Liberal Democrats,

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who are targeting the constituency of Edinburgh West.

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Today we sent our political correspondent Niall O'Gallagher

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to look at how each of the candidates are doing

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In the capital Scotland's political parties are looking west. The SNP

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won here last time but their MP resigns amid allegations of fraud.

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Michelle Thompson denies wrongdoing. Edinburgh West is now a top target

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for the Liberal Democrats. We feel there is a move towards us and an

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anti-SNP feel about the seat and people see us as the most likely

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threat to the SNP. And they say the bigger issues are at stake. The SNP

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candidate claims only they can stand between Scotland and the

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consequences of leaving the single market. Edinburgh West voted to

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remain in the EU but whether you voted to remain or leave, now it is

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about getting the best deal for Scotland. And who will stand up for

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Scotland in these negotiations with Brussels if not the SNP? Now more

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than ever we need a strong opposition to Theresa May.

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Conservatives seek their opponents have taken a wrong turn. People are

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clearly what a change and the SNP generally is reducing, the on the

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slides and I think that they are not clear of their position on a number

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of questions, not least about the EU and whether we are to go back in or

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not. They are confused on this and people are seeing through them now.

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Legacy it is time to emerge from the constitutional maize and debate

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local issues. That's right Labour say. People in this idiot had been

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badly let down by Michelle Thompson and the SNP and need NNP -- the

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people in this area the meet someone who's interested in jobs, health and

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schools are not somewhat fighting for another independence referendum.

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Margaret Maxie they want to keep the constitutional afloat. -- but the

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group macro. Of Nicola Sturgeon wants to stand up for Scotland in a

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seat the SNP cannot win the SNP must stand down so Scotland's referendum

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party can fight the only viable independence option for this

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election. Whoever is sent to Westminster by voters the winners in

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Edinburgh West will claim a significant victory.

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There are five candidates standing in Edinburgh West Here they are.

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And you can find details of all the candidates standing

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in every constituency on the BBC News website.

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Joining me now is our nightly panel of politicians.

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In Inverness we've got Lib Dem candidate Jean Davis,

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in Dundee is the SNP candidate Stephen Gethins,

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we've got Scottish Conservative candidate Miles Briggs -

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who's also an MSP - in Edinburgh,

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and in Aberdeen is the Scottish Labour MSP

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Thank you for joining me. Let's start with Brexit, Stephen, is

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Theresa May correct when she says a Tory landslide will strengthen her

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hands with negotiations? Absolutely not an one thing the SNP has been

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hands with negotiations? Absolutely doing in opposing the Tories is

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scrutiny and let's not forget over the next parliament it will be

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critically important we have got a strong voice for Scotland when

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critically important we have got a negotiating our food and drink

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industry, research, young person's opportunities and we cannot give the

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Tories a blank cheque. The relationship we have with Europe and

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the future will impact on everyone of us and it looks like she is

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scared of parliamentary scrutiny and it strikes me she does not know what

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scared of parliamentary scrutiny and she is doing.

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If a strong majority does not stress in her hand why should it strengthen

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Nicola Sturgeon's position on Brexit? This is about getting the

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best deal for everybody. That is what Theresa May would also say.

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Bill-mac and when you have been, but Bill-mac and when you have been, but

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-- our European partners have said this election does not make a

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difference to them and the UK Government is in a week situation.

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If you have a Parliament if you bother having a Parliament then you

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want one that questions the Government of the day and puts them

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under scrutiny. That is why the SNP have been described as the effective

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opposition to the Tory Westminster, we are asking difficult questions

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and making proposals and that is something we need is across the UK

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but in Scotland we have the benefit of having that effective opposition

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to the Tories and the people asking the difficult questions of Theresa

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May. Nicola Sturgeon said today voting

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SNP would allow her to argue for a seat at the negotiating table. What

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do she mean by that? If you look at the impact this will have, look at

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universities... But what does she actually mean, does she want a seat

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at the actual negotiating table? We should be part of the formal

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negotiating team. That happens in should be part of the formal

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other European countries when it comes to relationships with Europe.

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That Scotland should have a seat at the negotiating table. Our research

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institutions, food and drink industry, all these areas not a

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priority for Theresa May but are a priority for the SNP.

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What is the most important issue for the Lib Dems and this election? I

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think both wrong hand in hand and side-by-side but instead of talking

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about the Brexit, the SNP talk about a seat at the table but what they

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are actually talking about is independence. We are strongly for

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being in others close to Europe as possible and we are against

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independence. Sort your 42nd Brexit referendum not a second independence

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referendum? -- you are for a second referendum not a second independence

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Brexit referendum. What we're talking about is asking people to

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make a decision when they know what Brexit means. We have heard from

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Theresa May Brexit means Brexit but that is meaningless and we need to

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know what the outcome of the discussions she has with the EU are

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and whether they are reasonable to us. We want to be in the single

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market and in the customs union. But we need to wait and see what she

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says and then people need to look at that and what it means to them and

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their day-to-day lives. Bruce McDonald from the Labour Party, if

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the SNP gets a massive majority McDonald from the Labour Party, if

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Scotland is an Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister would he give her

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that seat? It would certainly beat the nightmare Stephen has conjured

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up. What we would want to see would be Jeremy Corbyn and your staff are

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taking forward the chase for the be Jeremy Corbyn and your staff are

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kind of Brexit that protect Britain's interests... But no seat

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from Nicola Sturgeon in those talks? A Labour Government will engage all

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the regional Government and seek to include them in the process and

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bring them along to ensure what we are doing is negotiating and half of

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the whole country but we can only do that if we win the election -- on

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behalf of the whole country. We can only do that if we win the election.

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What we need is a Government representing the whole country and

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will go into talks with Europe in good faith, not what the SNP is

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proposing what is somebody should be included in the negotiating team at

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the same time they say we should have an independence referendum.

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That makes no sense. The SNP got it wrong when they demanded the right

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to hold another independence referendum because they then cannot

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with any credibility is say they want to be part of the Brexit

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negotiating team. It makes no sense. They should abandon their claim for

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independence referendum if they They should abandon their claim for

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seriously want to engage with an incoming Labour Government.

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Scotland did not vote for Brexit so is it not important for Scotland to

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have a voice protecting our interests and Nicola Sturgeon is

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surely do the person who can deliver that? What I agree with Stephen and

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is what is key is getting the best possible deal for Scotland and the

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whole of the UK and it is clear from what we have heard from the other

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candidates do not they have a programme for how they will do that.

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Theresa May and the UK Government are moving far-off to deliver the

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best possible deal for the whole country -- they are moving forward

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and that is key for growth and future opportunities. Ruth Davidson

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give a speech today emphasised the difference between patriotism and

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nationalism. Is that not seeking to create the kind of divisions you

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have spoken against? I think it was a good speech and what was striking

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was how paratroopers is completely different to nationalism. In what

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way? -- patriotism. You can be both Scottish and British and proud of

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both and that is important and that was her message, people should be

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proud of that and this election for a lot of people who voted no on for

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too long have not been spitting up they will do. Stephen, is there a

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difference between patriotism and nationalism? Ruth Davidson has some

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brass neck, at the time that she's taking away opportunities for young

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people and I were food and drink industry struggling and we do not

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know about our research industry she hits out at the SNP and our

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partnership which is sharing sovereignty over areas like working

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together on climate change and in the single market, they are moving

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away and turning their back on our partners which will have a huge

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impact on jobs and the economy. Argue with the Tories or the SNP,

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patriotism versus nationalism? Certain that neither the Tories nor

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the SNP. We need to get away from all this flag-waving, whether

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British Scottish. Neither makes any sense -- British are Scottish. What

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I believe most people in Scotland voted for is to remain as close

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together as possible and remain in the UK. Flag still not matter,

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policies matter. We need to protect policies matter. We need to protect

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-- we need to protect workers' rates and maintain a close relationship

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with Europe and the idea we do that by having a referendum on leaving

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the UK and casting off is absurd. It is interesting to listen to the SNP

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the UK and casting off is absurd. It because an Edinburgh West they talk

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about rejoining EU... Jean Davidson, one thing to ask you, all the

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parties have done a bad job on one thing and that is getting young

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people the vote, the number of school leavers registered to vote

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has fallen by 35% in the past oh years. They do not seem to be

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interested in anything politicians are offering. -- past four years. I

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believe they have been disenfranchised by changes in the

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voting system and we need to persuade them to go out and vote and

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register. At the moment we have an election which is very important to

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them, 75% of young people voted to stay in the EU, they need to make

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some decisions in this particular election as well. We have to leave

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it there. Thank you for your time. If you still haven't registered

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to vote you have just seven days Just go the website

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on your screen now. And that's Election

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Reporting Scotland. Tomorrow on the campaign trail

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Jeremy Corbyn launches Labour's manifesto, the Lib Dems will

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be discussing business, the Tories will demand an end

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to calls for a second independence referendum and the SNP

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will celebrate 10 years So, join us again tomorrow night

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at 10.30 for all of that Good evening. For most of us it was

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a cloudy day and

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