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On Election Reporting Scotland tonight.

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Labour launch their UK Manifesto but what does it mean for Scotland?

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The SNP celebrate 10 years in power at Holyrood.

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Plus we're on the campaign trail with the Liberal Democrats

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Bedtime soon but not before your nightly guide

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We're here until 8th of June covering the campaign

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Today felt a bit like Groundhog Day with the official launch

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Thanks to last week's leak it sounded a bit familiar.

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And in case you hadn't noticed, today also marked

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Here's our Political Editor Brian Taylor.

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One among many, crazier Dugdale joined Jeremy Corbyn to launch the

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Labour manifesto. On stage the court tax-and-spend offer plus the public

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ownership of real and Royal Mail and renews trident and supports gas and

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ownership of real and Royal Mail and constitutional Convention for the

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UK. Jeremy Corbyn stands firmly against independence because of the

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yesterday it would bring. 15,000,000,000 lb of additional

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cuts. We stand against austerity and understand the damage it can do.

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Nicola Sturgeon rejects that forecast.

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Today marking a decade in devolved power.

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Today is a very special day for the SNP.

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She says Scotland needs the SNP again at Westminster to counter

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Conservative austerity and die-hard Brexit.

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She says Labour has lifted policies like free tuition fees from the SNP,

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I don't think anyone believes Labour is going to be in government

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and so the question for Scotland is how to best protect Scotland

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against an increasingly hardline Tory government at Westminster

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that we know would like to impose more cuts and more austerity

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and we can only do that by sending strong SNP MPs to Westminster

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In Dumfries Ruth Davidson decries Labour's recipe.

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She says the financial plans would leave a bad taste and she says

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Labour is still not firm enough on the Union.

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People across Scotland know that the party that will stand up

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for the decision that we made as a country and that will tell

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Nicola Sturgeon to think again is the Scottish Conservatives.

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Cheery fun here, but he reckons that Labour's offer is simply a mess.

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Labour are not capable of providing a competent opposition in this

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country and that is very clear from the performance

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of Jeremy Corbyn and he doesn't seem to know his positions on Brexit

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What we need is a clear and a compassionate and fair voice,

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a competent voice for our country and the Liberal Democrats

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Labour will launch the Scottish manifesto next week.

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We've got a panel of top pundits tonight to discuss

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I'm joined in the studio by Paul McNamee - the UK Editor

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of the Big Issue and the SNP activist Suzanne McLaughlin.

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In Edinburgh tonight is Duncan Hothersall,

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here is the Labour manifesto. A traditional fixture of the campaign

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and the matter to the politicians and the media, the public here?

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Absolutely. I think it is always a mistake to underestimate voters.

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They are not stupid. They absolutely care and I actually think this is an

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interesting manifesto. It has people talking. Is this the recognisable to

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people in Scotland because they already have most of these policies

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in Scotland. Put in place by the Scottish Government. I think people

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care about is when you are on the doorsteps and talking to people and

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meetings, the care about a way out poverty and austerity, that is what

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they want. The people of Scotland are lucky enough that there is hope

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and a way out. I think this is a step forward for people and the rest

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of the UK. It was Jeremy Corbyn's big moment to sign after the leak

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last week Digital out of? I thought it was very competent and he spoke

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without tripping up and he got through all the policies that we

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knew were coming. It's not a ringing endorsement. The thing with Jeremy

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Corbyn is that today there are a lot of policies that people like. Nobody

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is going to argue about trying to do more for the health service or

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education, or workers in low income. Nobody is going to argue with any of

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that. There might be an appetite for higher taxes for higher earners and

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that agenda but the bottom line is it doesn't matter. He is not good to

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get elected. There is a certain amount of a dance going on here and

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I think it is fascinating because Jeremy Corbyn obviously at some

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place in his heart of hearts I am guessing knows he is not good to be

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prime ministers saw what he is doing essentially a sitting at an agenda

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for the next people coming along seeing as you go to be this labour

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that people want even if they didn't want me? That is the crucial

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question, can you believe in this manner as prime ministers? Did he at

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least close the credibility gap? I think he has had a terrific few

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least close the credibility gap? I weeks in the campaign. I think he

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has presented a very solid and strong Labour set of policies and I

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think probably for people in Scotland the critical statement in

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that manifesto is the clear opposition to independence as to a

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second referendum. We have a situation in Scotland and the

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general election the Conservatives and the S are essentially

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polarising the country. We have to move past constitutional politics

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and reset that line, we have had the referendum and you move onto other

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things. Applicant a really strong set of Labour policies. He has

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clarified the constitutional question, Labour opposes a second

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referendum, it is unwanted and unnecessary. A clear no to that of

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its also a promise to set up a People's Constitutional Convention

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its also a promise to set up a to consider the option of a more

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federal UK. Is that kicking devolution powers into the long

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grass? Let's be clear, policies are all one thing but you have to enact

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them and you have to be empowered to do that. This federalism issue, we

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have Jamie Cobham pondering it and people don't believe Labour any

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more. Didn't believe Jeremy Corbyn to be any position to enact any

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progressive policies. The people in Scotland want that they have one

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choice and that is SNP. Stronger for Scotland or the way. Jeremy Corbyn

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is a Democrat and he is playing the game to a certain degree, she has to

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say this to pander to middle England but the subtle fact of the matter is

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that she is a Democrat and he is not to ignore the will of the Scottish

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climate. She also has to walk a taken on Trident, renewal supported

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by the National manifesto but still opposed by the party in Scotland.

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And also it was a slightly wishy-washy approval because he also

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said he wants to talk about some kind of talks for multilateral

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said he wants to talk about some disarmament globally so it is

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something he has never quite got hold of because of his past and this

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is the problem with the credibility of Jeremy Corbyn that has passed

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each coming back or just on one point there, the idea that the only

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alternative at the SNP, I think that is slightly troublesome because we

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need a full rainbow of approach and ideas rather than just one kind of a

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monolithic organisation. Duncan, the ideas rather than just one kind of a

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Trident issue, how are they going to ground this problem with London and

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the Labour manifesto? People and the labour movement have always had a

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range of views on this issue, and I think what is interesting in the

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discussion is this criticism that if you do take the view that Labour

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can't win the election, not a view I take, you can then put against

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Labour the option of an SNP that is only standing and 59 out of 650

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seats. Literally standing in 600 plus seats and could form a

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Government. SNP isn't even trying to plus seats and could form a

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form a Government so adamant that Labour mini couldn't win if you hold

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that view, it was the S out of the water. Like very much.

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More from the campaign trail coming up, but first Suzanne Allen has

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After the longest trial in UK criminal history, a husband and wife

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Edwin McLaren from Renfrewshire was found guilty of property fraud

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His wife Lorraine was convicted of mortgage fraud.

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Some knew him as Adrian, David or Evan, his real

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name is Edwin McLaren, and today he became

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The homeowner thinks that he is paying money into her account.

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But the court found he had sold her house -

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little did she know he was not putting money in,

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helping himself to the proceeds of the house sale.

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This was an advert he put in the paper but he didn't

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Instead of a loan until the house was sold in the future,

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the court heard he had the trust of vulnerable people and told

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them to sign documents and the house was his.

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This woman said her father had a heart attack when he found out.

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He just wants to curl up into a ball and die after what Edwin McLaren has

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effectively done to him and as far as the family is concerned

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Edwin McLaren is scum who basically preys on people

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In the case of one couple Edwin McLaren turned up here,

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at the cancer centre to get a document signed, the homeowner

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said he was so weakened by his cancer treatment

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that he did not even know what the document was.

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It turns out that he and his wife were signing over their house.

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Of the cases that made it to court, there were more than 30 victims,

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the length of Scotland and one in England.

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This is Edwin McLaren's own home with a yellow Bentley in the garage,

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he lived there with his wife Lorraine who was also found guilty

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of one count of fraud, both husband and wife

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We had over 200 people involved in the investigation

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and in my experience this is one of the most complex property

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When this woman made an agreement with Edwin McLaren he called himself

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Evan and she said she was struggling financially and also

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As I say, I was really unwell, suicidal.

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And then he came forward as quite a nice person.

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And not this animal that he turned out to be.

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Text messages between the conman and the homeowners are evidence

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of how they had to beg for the money he hadn't paid them.

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And today's verdict is not the end for the victims,

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many have got to go to the civil court to try to get

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Edwin and Lorraine McLaren now wait to hear their sentences.

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Fiona Walker, reporting from Glasgow.

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The Stone Roses frontman Ian Brown has told a court that former TV

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weatherman Fred Talbot tried to sexually abuse his

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friend on a camping trip to Scotland in the 1970s.

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Mr Talbot denies assaulting several boys in Moffat

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in Dumfries and Galloway and on the Caledonian

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Edinburgh council has denied bullying property owners to recover

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debts arising from the capital's controversial system

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A number of owners claim officials have repeatedly brushed aside

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concerns about work - typically worth hundreds

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But the council say difficult cases have been independently reviewed

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and insist their approach is reasonable.

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in order, to suddenly receive a bill for ?24,000 was frightening.

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In tennis, Andy Murray is out of the Italian Open

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He lost 6-2, 6-4 to Italian player Fabio Fognini

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The world number one has struggled in form since topping the rankings

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He keeps his number one status despite being knocked out

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That's all for now - back to Stephen.

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As we saw earlier, the First Minister has been

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marking a decade of SNP in power at Holyrood.

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If a year is long time in politics, an awful lot can

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Alex Salmond let out of his helicopter and into power. A

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surprise result after years of Labour dominance in Scottish

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politics, the SNP had a lot to prove. That is the end of. Meanwhile

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at Westminster there was another changing of the guard as Tony Blair

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stood down as Labour leader, to be succeeded by Gordon Brown. The

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Liberal Democrats are elected a freshfaced young MP, Nick Clegg as

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party leader. The day of the Scottish elections was also the D3

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three-year-old Madeleine McCann was reported missing while on holiday in

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Portugal. Ten years on, what happened to her remains a mystery.

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The biggest news story of the year in Scotland was the failed terrorist

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attack on Glasgow airport. A flaming car was driven into the terminal

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entrance, five people were injured and the attacker died. It made a

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tabloid star of John Smeaton. I personally ran up and attacked him

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along with five people. And on television, we said goodbye to Jack

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and Victor as the last series of still game was broadcast. Or was it?

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That was then but this is no. -- now.

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With me now our nightly political panel, this evening its Labour MSP

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James Kelly and Lib Dem candidate Alan Reid, in Dundee

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tonight Stewart Hosie - who's a candidate for the SNP -

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and Conservative candidate and MSP Ross Thomson is in Aberdeen.

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Welcome to you all, thank you for joining me. A big day for the SNP,

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ten years in power. The Tories say you have peaked and the only way is

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down, how will you prove them wrong and what will be the measure of your

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success? We set out in 2015 to win the UK election in Scotland. We set

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out in 2017 to win the UK election in Scotland. We are campaigning very

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hard in every seat, the manifesto has not been launched yet but when

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you see it it will be an exciting and vibrant proposition, a real

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opposition to the deep austerity, more cuts and hard Tore Brexit

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promised by to leave me and the Conservatives. More seats on the 8th

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of June? I won up put a limit on it. I am convinced we will do very well

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indeed. According to traditional political wisdom, the SNP should be

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in decline after ten years and the opposition in ascendancy, instead of

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that, you have collapsed as a party, quite a turnaround? After ten years

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of the SNP in power, people will reflect on the division and the

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obsession with the independence reflect on the division and the

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referendum... How come they are doing so well and you are doing so

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badly? There has been ?1.5 billion of SNP cuts, 4000 less teachers and

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education, 1000 less support staff. People are fed up with the effing

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Tories... We are sending a message to the SNP. -- fed up with the SN

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PE. Even the gloomiest predictions suggest they are by far the biggest

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party at the general election. The SNP no doubt will amend a good

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number of seats but there is an opportunity across Scotland to send

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a clear message to the First Minister that there are things to be

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getting on with such as her so-called priority of education when

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we have children leaving school who cannot do the basics of reading and

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writing. The economy is on the brink of recession. The waiting time

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targets forced hospitals are being breached. But Conservative to send a

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message to the First Minister, ditch the referendum, forget the

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divisiveness of the referendum. You are accepting there will be an SNP

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landslide on the 8th of June? I think there will be a good number of

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colleagues who will be joining David Mundell on the benches. Labour

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collapse should leave space for effective opposition and that should

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be you but it has turned out to be the Tories and said, what have you

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done wrong? That is definitely an effective opposition in Scotland but

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that is a large number of seats where the Liberal Democrats are

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second to the SNP and we are confident that those people are fed

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up with a second independence referendum and will vote for a

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Liberal Democrat candidate... What are you basing that on because the

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tide seems to be turning towards the Tories and not to you? Time after

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time that people are saying they want to stop the SNP and the second

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independence referendum and I am confident they will vote for the

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candidate best placed to defeat the SNP and in several constituencies

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that is the Liberal Democrats. Let us talk about the approach in

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that is the Liberal Democrats. Let general terms, Bank of Scotland

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growth showed a slight improvement but we remain behind the UK in terms

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of business growth. Increasing corporation tax, hammering their

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higher paid, how will that encourage their Scottish economy? Because the

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central theme of the very successful man of Haass talks launched today is

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the promotion of public services. -- successful man of five -- manifesto

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launched today. There will be extra money for the Scottish project.

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Every programme for education, reversing the cuts the SNP have made

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we will produce skilled students who will contribute to a growing

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Scottish economy. That is a positive action from a positive Labour

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message today. You have considerable powers of attacks which you choose

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not to use, is it time to use them? You heard the Finance Secretary this

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week talking about the tax rates for future budgets. All this talk of

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independence, the second independence rather ignores the fact

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that this is a UK election. On the point of the labour kept -- launch

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is that those in -- earning over ?50,000 should pay a tax of 50%

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rather than 45%. I have never heard an argument to half the threshold so

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that someone would be paying a tax rate design for multimillionaires. I

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think Labour have got this wrong and I would like to see the back of the

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cigarette packets on which the analysis which gives them a 6

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million spent in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. He bundled them

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altogether which shows the paucity of ambition Labour have for this

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country. The top rate of tax used to be higher than what Labour are

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proposing. Margaret Thatcher was prime minister then. Is there

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anything wrong in principle with increasing tax when it is required?

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I actually wasn't born in 1979 so I cannot remember those days. Take my

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word for it. Jeremy Corbyn is bringing forward plans for 48

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billion more in spending and the people will be paying for that and

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that is the ordinary hard-working people and businesses in terms of

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the huge hike in corporation tax which will put businesses of

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investing and cost jobs. The very people Jeremy Corbyn says it wants

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to help other ones he will hurt, ordinary hard-working people in

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Aberdeen. You want to end the ordinary hard-working people in

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sector pay cap, how much of the tax increase will go towards meeting

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this pay cap? In Scotland, where income tax is devolved to the

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Scottish Parliament, our policy is to spend it on education and mental

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health because education standards have fallen badly in Scotland and

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people, children for example are waiting 600 days for a mental health

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assessment which is completely unacceptable so more money has to go

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into education and mental health which is why we believe the Scottish

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Parliament should increase tax. We're out of time no, thank you very

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much for joining us today. -- time now.

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Now just before we go, our image of the day.

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It's not nice to laugh at a colleague so that's

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This is the BBC's Ben Brown keeping viewers abreast of the situation

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and getting a bit of a slap for his trouble.

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And that's Election Reporting Scotland.

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Tomorrow on the campaign trail Kezia Dugdale takes listeners

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questions on BBC Radio Scotland and the Lib Dems launch their UK

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Manifesto, plus there's childcare and ice cream.

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Laura McIver is here tomorrow at 10.30 for all of that.

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Good evening. The week ahead is fairly unsettled. Low pressure is

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whirling around us at times. Longer spells of rain and breezy but

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equally some sunshine, May sunshine is quite strong when it comes out.

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To end the day, dry and cleared and chilly overnight. Much cooler than

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my site. A dry and bright day. A few showers across the Hebrides with a

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breeze. Around eight in the morning, temperatures are around ten or 11

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Celsius, colder than this morning. Largely dry and bright but there

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will be a few showers across the west coast but mainly in the

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Hebrides. Winds generally light. Through the course of the day, it

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will remain la -- largely dry and bright. The showers holdall in the

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south-west, edging inland. A different story south of the border,

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they have a lot of rain and it will be a wet day through the wheels, the

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Midlands and Central and southern England. Humid temperatures in the

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south-east. That rain will be with them for most of the day. For us and

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for Northern Ireland it is a case of sunshine and showers. Showers are

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few and far between tomorrow, focused on the north and north-west.

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Temperatures down from today but pleasant with light winds. The rest

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of the afternoon into the evening, little change for us but downsize

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the rain remains, quite heavy in the Home Counties and East Anglia. Come

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Thursday, sunshine across the board with

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