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With one in five new students reporting sexual harassment

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in their first week of term, universities take steps

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Sexual harassment and abuse on campus.

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Is enough being done to keep students safe?

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Scottish and UK Brexit ministers meet for the first

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And cutting-edge technology that's breaking down

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It's that time of year when tens of thousands of young people

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are embarking on a new chapter as students, often living away

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Freshers' Week is meant to be fun but for a significant minority

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of students the first week of term is marred by sexual harassment

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This year, for the first time, several of Scotland's universities

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are taking steps to tackle the problem.

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This woman says she was sexually assaulted when she was a student.

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The case went to trial but the accused was found not guilty. She

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says the attack had a devastating effect on her and her studies. I

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don't remember agreeing to it or anything like that. And I find

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myself being strangled and raped, basically, and it was a very scary

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experience and I remember running out of the place terrified, running

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into some workers to help me and get me back to my friend who I was out

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with, and he phoned the police. The first week of University is supposed

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to be one of the best times of your life. But one in five students have

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reported experiencing some sort of sexual harassment during the first

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week, according to a report by the NUS. Sexual violence is a problem

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for universities around the country but it is on campus in Glasgow that

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staff and students have decided to take action and do something about

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it. Over the past 18 months the University of Glasgow has been

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working jointly with the University of Glasgow Caledonian and with Rape

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Crisis Scotland and Police Scotland to put into place a strategy to

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raise awareness about sexual violence on campus, to train

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students to recognise and identify and be able to signpost to other

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services when students might report or disclose that they have

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experienced unwanted sexual attention or sexual violence

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perpetrated against them and put into strategies in order to make it

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easier for students to know where to go and where to report and to

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support them if they wish to report. Are you OK? These Freshers' Week

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helpers are on hand to show new students the ropes but this year

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Glasgow University volunteers have been trained in how to give support

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and advice to victims of sexual assault. The initiative is joint

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project with Glasgow Caledonian University, but about their students

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concerned about the scale of the problem. Sexual violence as a prime

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area is chronically underreported so the issue, we're not suggesting

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Glasgow has a huge problem that is not replicated everywhere else, this

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is a problem in society and universities should take the lead.

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What do students think? Tackling it head on and getting people from the

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beginning of University life would be good to raise awareness. We talk

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about rape and hear about that but not the smaller areas of sexual

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harassment, which is a bigger problem, the way people talk to

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women on campus, for example. There is definitely an issue, I have not

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experienced it yet, I hope I don't, but we should try to combat it. Rape

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crisis have developed the training being delivered on campus. Something

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like one in seven women students have experienced physical violence

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and sexual assault whilst at university and something like 68%

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have experienced sexual harassment, a significant number have

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experienced things like unwanted touching or groping on a night out

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and those things are commonly experienced. This is a pilot year

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for the initiative but it is hoped it will be rolled out again next

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year. Well, joining me now to talk

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about all this from London is lawyer and author of the book 'Why Rape

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Culture is a Dangerous Myth', And here in the studio

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is Dr Kallia Manoussaki, psychology lecturer

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at the University of Good evening to both of you. There

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are worrying statistics in the report. If my daughter was going to

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university, I would be pretty worried about that. It is worrying

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but it is not only this year, this year thankfully attention has been

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brought to it, sexual violence has been going on for as long as human

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beings have been living on the earth. It is just that recently we

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have tried to bring about some sort of solution and universities have

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been a little bit slow to deal with this problem but we are doing

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something and we're very proud about that. Your university launched the

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campaign yesterday. What is it you hope to achieve? Well, through

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external partnerships we hope to create spaces for students to learn

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about all sorts of issues relating to sexual violence and were hoping

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they'd teach others, without students will lead workshops and

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focus groups and art projects and help each other because for us, the

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solution lies in changing destructive attitudes because we

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believe that it is the attitudes that actually provide a fertile

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ground for sexual violence to happen in the first place. It informs all

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of our decisions. Luke Gittos, what do you make of initiatives like

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this? These statistics have been around for a long time, we had a

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report from the NHS a few years ago with roughly the same statistic but

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it is worth looking closer at it, the one in five statistic is based

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on a self-selecting survey which means the NUS actively encourage

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people to respond to the survey and deliver reports. That is a classic

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mythological mistake because you encourage people who have something

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to report rather than a sample that is random. I think it is definitely

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overestimating the problem, on a campus context, there is no reliable

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evidence that sexual violence is more prevalent in university or any

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evidence of any epidemic. Throughout the history of rape discussion from

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the 70s onwards universities have always been a site where people

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argue that sexual violence takes place because it is that it was more

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promiscuous place but the evidence tells us that students are far less

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than they were, they are more afraid of going out and being sexually

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liberated and that is the real issue. With all the fear we stoking

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up around sexual violence on campus, students are becoming more worried

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about living a really important aspect of their personal lives,

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their sexual lives, when they meet people, for the love and have

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relationships and we are creating such a toxic environment around the

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discussion, this talk of violence and assaults in nightclubs, all of

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this is still in the minds of students with the idea that anybody

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out there is a potential rapist and that is incredibly problematic. What

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is your response to that? Were actually making students fearful,

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that low-level Everyday Sexism is not the same as being under the

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threat of sexual violence? -- every day sex. This is not about sex at

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universities as such, this is universities recognising that sexual

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assault happens in the world, everywhere, in bedrooms, behind

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alleyways, in front of bins, and it also happens during university life,

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this is not about students, university suddenly terrifying

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students by implying something will happen at university. But there are

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aren't similar campaign starting in work, this is for young people as

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students? This is not just about higher institutions, also secondary

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institutions and primary schools, taking their responsibilities much

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more seriously, we do not want to just teach students about different

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disciplines, we want to encourage them to become socially responsible

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citizens, it is part of our learning programme, not because suddenly

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universities have become a place where rape happens all the time but

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because universities recognise that rape happens in the world at large

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and we want to embed this within our educational programmes, we want to

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change attitudes as part of our educational programmes to prepare

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them for the world, not just university life. What is wrong with

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that? I don't know what it means. Sexual violence is a very public at

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a problem. There is an enormous amount of information but it is

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often difficult to ascertain what the truth is and if you look at the

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statistics, there is a wide range of problems with identifying any clear

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trends. We don't very little about sexual violence perpetrators, we

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know they tend to be repeat offenders, they tend to be targeted

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in what they do and we know that they tend to assault people close to

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them. All of which is counteracted by the student awareness movement

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which seems to encourage the idea that almost anyone you meet in a

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nightclub is liable to take you home and force you to have sex with them.

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The idea that all of this is about making students aware that sexual

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violence exists in the world is counter-productive. Students should

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learn about sexual violence but they should learn about the serious

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academic work that goes on around the topic. There is a vast amount.

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There is all manner of books they can read. That is not what this

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movement is about, it is about stoking fear and panic around an

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issue they don't really need to worry about. You are shaking their

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head? Universities are place of learning and sexual violence is such

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a multifaceted issue. We take our responsibility very seriously, our

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student volunteers, our male student volunteers as well as female

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volunteers would be quite taken aback by the statements because they

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are very proud that universities take a moral education and social

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education as seriously as academic education. In fact, we are looking

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at rape from an academic point of view, we are looking at research and

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we are looking at how attitude changes can make a real difference.

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The World Health Organisation report recently said that one of the most

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important things educational institutions can do is raise

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awareness about how attitudes actually link to sexual violence.

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Very briefly, we're almost out of time... This idea that attitudes

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lead to sexual violence has been debunked. There is a fantastic book,

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a history of rape and sexual violence, there is a chapter

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dedicated to arguments that a particular environments lead to an

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increase in sexual violence, it is used to demonise working-class

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people in the past, people say working-class people are more likely

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to be rapists because they live in a debased culture, they said that

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about black culture. Now, what we have, we have a situation where...

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We have to leave it there. Thank you both for coming in this evening.

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Scotland's Brexit Minister says it's "inconceivable" that the Scottish

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government won't be involved in negotiations on devolved issues.

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Mike Russell held his first meeting with his Westminster counterpart

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David Davis earlier today in Downing Street.

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Afterwards they pledged to establish a "good working relationship".

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Here's our political correspondent, Nick Eardley.

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Trying to find a Brexit approach that satisfies the UK and Scottish

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governments could be a challenge. Today was a first step to trying to

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figure out how that might happen. Two things in particular today were

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important. Firstly, trying to establish a formal process whereby

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Scottish ministers can feed into the UK Brexit strategy. In particular,

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on devolved issues, Mike Russell was keen to say he thinks Scottish

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ministers have to play a pretty crucial role in talks with Europe.

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Secondly, it was a chance for the Scottish government to highlight its

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key interest- the one we have heard a lot about in the last few weeks is

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membership, continued membership of the European single market. After

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the talks in Downing Street today, I caught up with Mike Russell.

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Devolution is clearly massively embedded in the whole of the UK, we

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believe in moving on from that but it would be inconceivable that areas

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of devolved responsibility were negotiated on and away by anybody

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else because they are the responsibility of the Scottish

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government and parliament and we have to make it absolutely clear.

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There are clearly things you think are crucial to Scotland's interest.

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What happens if the UK government does not incorporate these things in

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its overall strategy? Is at the point at which you say we need

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another referendum? We have not even started those discussions, we are in

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the process of setting them up, you can ask me when they are under way

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and the moment I go into those discussions with the positive

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intention of putting a case and the argument. There will be more on the

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formal process of Scottish involvement in the next few weeks.

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That issue of the single market is accommodated one. Scottish ministers

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want continued membership, UK ministers want access but they also

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want to reduce migration from the EU, something seen as a key reason

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for the leave out. Then the European side says you cannot have one or the

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other, you cannot have access to the single market without free movement

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so definitely a square to be circled. David Davis was unable to

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talk to us after those talks with Mike Russell today but we did speak

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to David Mondale, who also spoke to Mike Russell about the Scotland role

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with the UK approach. We could have had pharyngeal

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arrangements in relation to Scotland, where there were specific

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issues that related to Scotland and were not as prevalent in the other

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parts of the UK, but the case needs to be made and the detail needs to

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be brought forward, that is part of what this exercise is about. It is

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important that the negotiation position is based on factual

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analysis, on listening. We are at a very early stage in the process, we

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have to understand how we take forward the respective interests of

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Scotland and other parts of the UK and how the negotiations will be

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struck. Some movement towards a process for

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Scottish involvement. What could be harder is finding the deal that

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satisfies everyone, Scotland, the UK and Europe. The talks will continue

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in the weeks to come. Now, smart glasses that

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recognise your friends and can read you a menu if you're partially

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sighted, goggles that can help someone with no sight loss

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experience a variety Just some of the cutting-edge

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technology on show in Glasgow at a Europe-wide conference

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which got underway today. The TechShare event aims

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to highlight the potential of innovation to transform

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the lives of blind people. What if the world look like this? Or

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like this? That is the reality for 188,000 Scottish people with

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significant side loss. The technology can help. The theme of

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the Europe wide conference that started today in Glasgow. Mainstream

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technology is becoming more accessible, allowing interfaces to

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talk, so we have some songs here showing their smart TVs, allowing

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people to use the interface if they have no useful vision, by navigating

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it with speech. We have the chance to see what is possible to do, not

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necessarily using your vision, but by using speech or tactile access to

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gain the same level of opportunity that other people take for granted.

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One company is exhibiting a smart camera that clips onto glasses. They

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claim it could learn faces and read text. Imagine you enter a

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restaurant, the waiter hands you a menu. If you can't read it with your

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eyes, if you are wearing this, it is simple, you pick up the menu, point

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at it with your finger, the device will start reading it to you. Lentil

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soup served with crusty bread. When you want to stop, give it a stop

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gesture, and it stops reading. It can read text, recognise faces and

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identify products. It is translating visual information into audio for

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people who cannot see or who have sight loss. What technology do

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people actually use and what difference does it make? I use a

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mixture of Braille, tactile, and also audio technology. I have an

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iPhone and iPod that speak to me and screen reader software that reads my

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computer screen, so I'd use that to read e-mails. I use dictation, to

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dictate e-mails and touch type. Loads, I listen to books and radio

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and podcasts and all that, a talking microwave... It breaks down the

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physical barriers that now do not exist. For people who don't have

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experience of blindness or side loss, this can offer a tremendous

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insight into the type of challenges that people with vision loss will

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face, but using digital technology. It is a unique and Judy to explore

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first-hand what the fragility is might be, what the challenges are.

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These goggles are supposed to allow you to experience different sight

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loss conditions, so what IMC aimed at the moment through the goggles

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and you can see on the screen is a sense of what it would be like to

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have cataracts. If I go to the menu and change it to better night as

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pigment hoser, you can see that people with this condition

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effectively experience a tunnel of light in a world which is otherwise

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dark. I suppose the idea is so that product designers and even family

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members get a sense of what different side loss conditions are

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really like. But technology will never replace some things.

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With me now to discuss some of today's news are the journalist

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Anna Burnside and the former Labour MP Tom Harris.

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That begin with the story of a nurse with cancer who wrote to the First

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Minister, asking for reform of drug funding. She was told she will be

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given her medicine on the NHS. Nicola Sturgeon told MSPs that the

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NHS would now provide the prescription.

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Kezia Dugdale had raised the issue. The system has to be reformed so

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that in future cancer patients do not have to hold bake sales to find

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the money they need for the cancer treatment that they need. Can I ask

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the First Minister again, when the review is published, can she assure

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the chamber that cases like this will never happen again? I cannot

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and I will not give an assurance that no patient would ever again

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find that they cannot access a drug that they think they should, because

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in any system that has to assess drugs, there will inevitably be hard

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vision that are difficult for all of us where drugs are not accessible

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for a particular patient. You write for the record, they

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published this powerful story. A fantastic story for us. Do you think

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that Nicola Sturgeon was right to say she could not promise to be able

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to do this in lots of other cases? Unfortunately I do. She cannot be

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writing blank cheques from behind her lectin. It is not appropriate,

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she is not the appropriate person to make blanket statements on who can

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and cannot get certain drugs. Especially as technology has

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progressed, there will always be hard raking stories like this one,

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and our instinct is to want to help everybody. She has two sign off on

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the cheques, she knows that it is not possible. It is ghastly for her

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and it is a political Achilles heel for anyone in that position. Kezia

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Dugdale has the moral high ground, this woman's friends are holding

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bake sales to pay for her treatment, nobody wants that, but she cannot

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just say, everybody, here they are, and throw them out like Smarties.

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The Scottish medicines Consortium have to look at all of the evidence

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and make these difficult decisions. I wonder how helpful if this went it

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is bypassed. Those decisions are better taken not by ministers or

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politicians, who obviously going to more susceptible to newspaper

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headlines. Nicola Sturgeon was right. If Kezia Dugdale found

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herself in Nicola Sturgeon's position, she would have to say the

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same thing. There is a limited amount of money, we cannot start

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doling out life-saving medicines based either on media pressure or

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under political pressure. It has got to be done on the medical evidence.

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In England it is done by NICE, in Scotland we have our own system,

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that is better than it being in ministers' hands. Hillary Clinton

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back on the campaign trail after having pneumonia. Her health has

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become a central issue. She tackled it had on in her first public

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appearance in a few hours ago. As you may know, I recently had a

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cough that turned out to be pneumonia. I tried to power through

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it. Even I had to admit that may be a few days of rest would do me good.

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What do you think of how she has handled this? She has pulled it

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back. She and the team handled that badly, it made them look secretive,

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as if they had something to hide why not fronting it up in the first

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place. I can understand why she did it, if she had not gone to the

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memorial service and she had been in bed, she would have been pelted for

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that. But she got pelted for going and struggling and having to be

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escorted off into a van. That was the right decision now, to front it

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up and make a joke of it. Everybody gets a cold and a cough. I don't

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think anybody should realistically be holding that against her

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suitability to be the president. You will know how carefully

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stage-managed these things have to be, every detail. The background

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music was James Brown, Feeling Good. Talk about protesting too much, they

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don't do subtlety. I am nervous, in a situation where the Republicans

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have got Donald Trump is the nominee, I'd wish the Democrats had

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come up with another candidate who was far more trusted and popular.

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Hillary Clinton is not trusted or popular. If she gets the presidency,

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it will be because she is not dislike quite as much as Donald

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Trump, which is a dangerous situation. There is a danger that

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this plays into the idea that she is not trustworthy, there is a

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cover-up, here we go again with them. The secrecy thing plays badly.

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If Donald Trump wins, it will be the fault of the Democrats and Hillary

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Clinton. Let's move on to the final story, Brexit. We heard that the

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Scottish and UK ministers met for the first time in London today, it

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was all smiles and pledges to work together, do you buy that? No, of

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course not. It is ghastly, difficult and horrible decisions they have to

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make. I see nothing but the debris of crumpled bits of paper and broken

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dreams and promises on the conference table, I don't see this

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going well at all. You led the Leave campaign in Scotland, you argued

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about the positive benefits, are you still so optimistic? Yes. It is

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vital that Mike Russell and the other ministers get closely involved

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in these negotiations. The day after the referendum, David Cameron, the

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first thing he said, before he resigned, was that he wanted all of

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the devolved administrations to get involved in these discussions.

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Fishing, which is already devolved, policy will be decided in Holyrood

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after ten back row, which is really important. We need Scottish

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ministers in there from the start. Arguing for the best possible deal

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for our industry. Are you confident they will be embedded? I think they

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well. The English ministers, the UK ministers, they know that

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politically they need to get the Scottish ministers and the Northern

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Irish and Welsh ministers on board, because there is a lot of talent

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there, and the more they have, the better deal we will get. I wonder

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what room for common ground there is. I hope there is some. We want to

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get the best deal out of this we possibly can. I hope Tom's optimism

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is grounded and that everybody can get over their differences and get

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the best deal possible. You are not unnerved by this uncertainty? Is

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that what you anticipate it would happen if there was a Leave vote? It

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is wrong to say I am not on the, but I am more optimistic than people who

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voted Remain. I think there are some amazing possibilities are potential

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gains, out of this, as long as Scotland is represented at the core

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of these discussions. We can win out of it. We will have to leave it

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there. That's it for tonight

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and for this week. Until then, have a good

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weekend, bye bye. 50 years ago,

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they became superstars in astronomy,

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