04/09/2014 Scotland Decides

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Two weeks until referendum day and the battle for traditional

Ed Miliband hits the campaign trail in Glasgow urging

If you want social justice, Labour values, I urge people to vote no.

We get a flavour of the referendum debate in London

Thousands of campaign leaflets through voters letterboxes,

It's two weeks exactly until the referendum vote and both

sides are trying to win over undecided traditional Labour voters,

Ed Miliband says Scots should vote No to independence and vote for

Labour at the next General Election if they want a more equal Scotland.

But the SNP leader, Alex Salmond, claims Labour supporters

across Scotland are "turning their back on Westminster".

Here's our Scotland Political Editor, Brian Taylor.

Centre stage, the key player is mobbed in a search for selfies.

In the wings, noises from better together at the best.

Ed Miliband on the Scottish campaign trail.

Today's topic, social justice, how to spread wealth.

He challenges claims that that is best achieved through independence.

They are not matching us on the 50p tax rate.

They will continue Tory policies if they have independence.

If you want social justice, vote No.

You can't guarantee a Labour government.

Scotland has voted Labour for decades and repeatedly received

We will have a Labour government in my view in May 2015.

But the people in Scotland cannot will that.

They vote but get a Conservative government.

We have to look at the alternative. It is a con from the SNP to say

somehow if you vote yes, you will get rid of Tory values. If you want

social justice, if you want Labour values, I strongly urge people to

vote No and I can assure people I am planning for a Labour government

across the UK. The SNP leaders say they oppose

the scrapping of the 50p tax rate. They questioned

the energy price freeze saying they Day back the living wage and

corporation tax cuts? We would do that

because it will create more jobs It will mean

the economy will grow faster. It is about the right

of Scotland to have a government That is why

so many people who normally vote Today, Alex Salmond and

Nicola Sturgeon were celebrating ten They say the next decade is

focused firmly on Scotland. Well, during his walkabout in

Glasgow city centre today the First Minister insisted he would not

resign in the event of a No vote. Mr Salmond told reporters he will

not hand over to Deputy First Minister,

Nicola Sturgeon, saying his mandate is to lead Scotland until

the next Scottish election in 2016. Let's have a quick reminder

of Labour's recent dominance The party won the largest share

of the vote in every General Election since the 1960s `

it still holds 41 of 59 Scottish Labour was the largest party

in the first two terms of the Scottish Parliament, ruling

in coalition administrations, but It now has 37 of the 129 Holyrood

seats. Recent polls have shown support for

independence growing among Labour voters ` some 30% said they would

vote Yes in a recent YouGov poll. That's up from 18% at the start

of August. With me now is the former

Special Adviser to Also here is Jeane Freeman,

from Women for Independence. She's a former adviser to

Jack McConnell. Ed Miliband said that people should

vote No because is on its way and that will bring genuine social

justice. He cannot guarantee there will be

a Labour government in 2015. You can understand why Scottish

voters would be sceptical. You can't guarantee that any

particular person will be in number ten, but that looks good

for him at the moment. The wind seems to be in

Ed Miliband's sales. Scots have lots of experience

of voting Labour but getting The SNP says that voting

for independence. I don't think people ever thought

that nationalism was preferable to the social values of the

Labour Party. If you are in the Labour Party

you don't think that social Ed Miliband was attacking the SNP's

track record on social justice, saying it would not be

a socially just government that came Ed Miliband wants to be prime

minister and that is set fair enough ambition for him

to have. But he is conflating the idea of a political debate

between the Labour Party and the SNP It is not about Alex Salmond or

Ed Miliband, it is about the people of Scotland deciding

if they believe that the best decisions about Scotland are made

by people who live and work here. The parties political backwards

and forwards is neither here nor there because the first vote that

people will have to make is whether The debate

about policies comes after that. We will see what Labour

and the others will offer He was attacking the Conservatives

quite strongly today, gearing up for a general election

in 2015 in the UK. Has it been a mistake to be

campaigning with the Conservatives and being accused of being

in bed with the Tories of the time? I think it is unfortunate to be

accused of being I don't think there was anything

wrong with standing beside people I can understand why Jean said what

she did, but I think it is against an argument between Labour

values or nationalism. There has been a history in this

country of the nationalists opposing When Ed Miliband talks

about the minimum wage, the nationalists in the House

of Commons didn't vote for it. When she was putting progressive

policies through the Parliament, They didn't very often think

it was more important to make this Parliament work

than try to be separate. Is there a difference between the

Labour Party values and SNP values? There is a difference between Labour

Party values and the wider independence campaign. Labour is

still committed to welfare cuts as the Conservatives are in Scotland.

We cannot reduce this referendum debate as a spat between Labour and

the SNP. Some people, like myself, have never been involved in any

activity and we do not do people are serviced by reducing it to political

personalities or a debate between parties. They can have that in 2016.

The most important choice is weather people believe the right people to

make decisions are the people living and working in Scotland. That is my

belief and growing numbers of Labour supporters are coming to that. Does

it come down to traditional Labour photos? Are we turning to the yes

side? If the SNP or nationalists are going to win, they will have to get

people who voted Labour or Conservative in the past, because at

the 2011 election, the SNP only 125% of the Scottish vote. `` only won

25%. The SNP need folks from somewhere. Thank you both very much.

Goldman Sachs says independence could have severe consequences in

the short`term for the Scottish economy and rest of the UK, that the

uncertainty I get bored could cause a run `` that the uncertainty voting

for years could cause a run on some banks. But they say there is no

reason why an independent Scotland could not prosper in the long run.

The Canadian prime ministers has given his support for Scotland

remaining part of the UK, seeing greater global interests would not

be served by a yes vote, but he says it stays with the Scottish people.

How would London be affected by a yes vote?

There is a corner of the capital that is forever Scottish London

Scottish. But across town, there seems to be an appetite for things

north of the border, you do not need to look far in London for a Scottish

influence and this woman has made the capital for home, with a

business went to her roots. She believes in independence. I do not

think there is enough information about how I could buy from Scotland.

Will there be imported taxation, different BET? I will need more

information. Back at the rugby, London Scottish gets beaten by their

rivals north of the border with some strong opinions. I think it is to do

with Westminster and probably London in general, where a lot of people

feel there is a lot of greed, arrogance and nothing to do with the

rest of England, a lot of the rest of England would not mind being

independent from London. What we are doing in London could be done in

Scotland. So I am thinking to myself why am I having to work away from

home in London and this could be done in Edinburgh? Nearer where I

want to live. Opinions are split in London, like in Scotland, the

referendum watched by the political classes. It could affect London. If

the Scots fought to stay in the UK, and get extra tax raising powers,

you could imagine lots of London politicians asking for similar. If

the vote to go, that would leave Britain as potentially more right

leaning and conservative, the remainder of Britain, whereas London

has tilted left, creating a bigger gap between London and UK politics.

With two weeks left, still all to play for, with polls suggesting the

divide is shrinking. Scots in London will be watching closely.

Hundreds of thousands of election leaflets have been put through

letter boxes across Scotland, but do voters consider the points put

forward or is it another barrage of claim and counterclaim and send it

straight to the recycling? Before the Internet, leaflets were

important, but what about now? These may have appeared through your

letterbox, campaign leaflets, designed to give the facts to help

you make up your mind, but there are facts according to yes, and fight

according to better together. So I have come to this broad in urban to

see if I can find anyone who could unscramble these facts. Have you had

these? Yes, both bits of literature. What did you think? I

find it confusing, I do not know where I stand. I do not know who is

telling the truth. The information Alex Salmond is giving are not

factual as far as I am concerned. They are presenting them as

definite. But so do the other side. Yes, why fix something that is not

broken? Do you think these facts are correct? I do not think they are. I

do not believe anything the yes campaign says. So it does not

matter, it will not change your mind? No, I am still voting yes. It

would be good to see something not produced by either campaign. Most

people did not have recycling bins in 1979, when these leaflets were

put in letterbox is ahead of the referendum about Scotland having its

own assembly. Leaflets are an established form of political

campaigning, but how have they changed? If politicians were accused

today of scaremongering, look at this, warning a referendum is

dangerous. And another one, the menace of separation. And of

Scotland says no, we will never be taken seriously again, Scotland will

be universally ridiculed, laughing stock. Since the invention of the

printing press, leaflets have been used to get political messages

across, but have they lost their relevance since the development of

social media? This was done by my father's company. In 1979,

multicoloured printing was considered extravagant. This one,

that would have been a standard layout for the technology of the

time. We're as the other one, with the fill colour images, the time and

cost involved at that point in time would have been astronomical. So are

much more expensive and bigger printing budget? Definitely. And it

may have paid off, Scotland did not get its assembly. But leaflets are

cheap to run off Beasley, which is lucky if they end up the recycling

bin. Have you made up your mind? Not as yet. Maybe you should be reading

these? Maybe I should. Ultimately, two`day's points are similar to

those on the 1979 leaflets and history has not told us whose fights

are more factual than the others. Fiona Walker reporting. The latest

on the Scottish referendum on BBC News. With the winter to list season

closer, Jane Hill will be live in Aviemore to find out what impact

independence could have there. Get the latest online, including a

personal reflection on how Scotland has changed from Alan Little. That

is at this website. And tomorrow afternoon, live from Shetland, The

Film Review. James Cook will be here tomorrow with a round`up, and I will

be back at 7:30pm and 9:30pm on Monday evening. Until then, goodbye.

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