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Farming in Crisis

Hard-hitting investigations. Brian Hollywood investigates the crisis facing Northern Ireland's farmers.


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This land provides for �1 billion farming industry that many hope

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will revitalise our economy. But behind that aspiration, the outlook

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is grim. In my 46 years, I have never seen

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it as bad. If we are going to stay the way we

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are, I don't see a bright future for farming.

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Farmers are hurting. Could our demand for cheap food be

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responsible? The cost of food will have to go up.

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Hopefully farmers will get some of that. Otherwise they won't be there.

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They will just disappear. It was one of the wettest summers

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on record, and the economic forecast for farmers is bleaker

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than at any time in decades. With the rural economy at breaking point,

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just what is the future of farming Summer rains this year and

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extraordinary flooding. Four months on, the consequences are still

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being felt on the land. It is early November in County

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Armagh. The sowing season has come and gone. Land like this remains

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unplanted. This field would normally be bursting with vegetable

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ready tobg harvested but because of the atrocious summer it wasn't

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planted in June. The cost of this to farmers is huge and right across

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the countryside fields like this are lying baron.

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Thomas Gilpin has never known things to be as bad as this. He

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provides large quantities of farm produce for supermarkets. But even

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where his farmers have been able to plant fields this year, they have

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had scant return. You see here Brian, there is not

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even tops on these swedes. That's never going to be a swede.

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They are badly under sized? They have plenty of nutrients and plenty

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of anything and because of the lack of sunshine and heat they haven't

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grown. I would give awe fiver if you could find find one...

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that's a descent size? A descend size.

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-- -- a descent size. The supermarkets wouldn't be

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interested in those? People want one you can peel. Those beds are

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sitting up out of the wet and they just haven't grew. In my 46 years,

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I have never seen it as bad and it is just, there is nothing we can do

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about it. Everybody involved in the sector at the moment from the

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grower, right through to the washer and packer like ourselves right

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through to the man making the preparation of it all, nobody is

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making any money. In fact, everybody is losing a bit of money

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at the moment and there is going to have to be something done so people

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can be sustainable for the next year's crop. There is a crisis.

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Thomas says the the outlook is grim and expects many in his sector to

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go out of business this winterment even even potatoes are imported. It

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is not just bad bad weather that brought bad news to an industry

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that's at breaking point. These pigs are all that's left of a

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700 strong herald kept on a once thriving farm outside Cookstown.

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Only these sows remain. They are on a final journey from farm to meat

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processor and for the farmer, it is the end too of a 20-year investment

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in pork production. When you walked up the yard, you heard pigs

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squealing or something, but there will be no more of that for a

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highly anyway. When you look into a house and it is empty, it is

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demoralising. James can no longer afford to feed

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them and feels forced to send these breeding animals to the abattoir.

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He thinks they will ultimately end up on dinner tables in Germany. It

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is a rapid reversal of for ture that led a prize winning pig farmer

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to wind up operations and slaughter his herd.

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Six months ago, I hadn't anticipated this, but it is the way

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the feed prices went up. The price of feed and bread and all those

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things went up. . How much do you get per pig?

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need about �135 per pig and we are only getting �120.

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Every animal going out through the door is losing money and that's why

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I decided to stop rather than keep losing money. If it was profitable,

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at least I'm starting off with a clean sheet, other people have to

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make back what they have lost before they start again.

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High feed costs and poor prices hit pig farming hard, especially since

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the sector is not subsidised. The houses for over 700 animals are

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now empty. James Millar designed and welded each pen himself. Now,

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they are redundant. His entire Even those farmers who do receive

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subsidies are struggling. This is Ray Elkin, a beef farmer who says

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business is more uncertain than ever. Today is the day he has been

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dreading. His cattle are being tested for TB.

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If this vet finds even one of the cattle tests positive, this farm

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will be closed for months. It will mean that the farmer can't sell any

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of them. He will incur all the expense of feeding them for the

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foreseeable future too. It is a nervous time for you?

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Absolutely. It is not only a nervous time, it is a dangerous

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time because we are letting out animals into a yard who are quite

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lively and it is a risk to them, but not only to them, but also to

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the human being. Every time you let an animal into a

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yard, there is another possibility of someone getting hurt.

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The family used to breed pigs, but found it difficult to make a profit.

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Beef was good business, but it is now a question of working just to

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cover costs. It has got worse. It has changed.

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It used to be the pigs and then that went by the way side and it is

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constant hard work for very little reward.

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The possibility of TB is not the biggest worry by any means.

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Prolonged wet weather has forced him to bring his cattle in from the

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fields earlier than usual. They are already fielding on expensive

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winter fodder. Times are difficult, yeah. Times

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are difficult. We hope that next Across the industry costs have gone

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in one direction - upward. And profit has either gone down or

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been wiped out entirely. For farmers who want to sell their

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stock, it is at places like this where the action happens. I have

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come to Ballymena, the biggest auction for live stock in Northern

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Ireland. I have been told that cattle prices

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here don't compare to even 12 months ago. For farmers, returns

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are too low and costs are too high. I think some of the figures we have

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seen would suggest that annually in Northern Ireland we would use about

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two million tonnes of feed and when you consider the increase in feed

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costs, that will equate to �160 million and �160 million is just

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about the net farm income here in Northern Ireland. So you know,

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there is a lot of concern out there. I think the farmers are a resilient

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bunch but they can only take so much, and it is a very sad

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reflection on the industry that the profitability isn't there.

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High costs hurt, but it is a series of factors that are hitting farming

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hard. You get -- it has been a horrendous

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year for weather as far as prices are concerned. They have stayed

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static throughout most of the year and their costs are rising. They

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are in a real classic income squeeze. So no, I don't think this

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time they are crying wolf, they are in a genuine crisis.

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And the crisis threatens to keep the next generation of farmers off

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the land. The Taylors' farmed outside

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Coleraine for generations. Denis wants to follow his father into

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farming. Hi Denis. How are you? Well what

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happened today? Oh just general feeding and get the houses cleared

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for cattle. Are these for market soon?

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Hopefully for market around Christmas time. Denis says the

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returns from the land aren't enough. At the minute there is nothing to

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encourage young people into farming and if things stay the way they are,

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I will not be at it in a year's time or maybe two years time, I

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can't justify it anymore and I have my family to think of. We are not

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getting what it is costing us to produce the food. It is very hard

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to explain how it feels to be in a downward industry at the minute.

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People don't see the downs, it is a heartbreaking job at times too.

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Nobody else would work for less than the cost of production. So why

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should we? While the industry is frequently

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referred to as a billion pound success story, farms here only see

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a tinly fraction of this. A few months ago, Ulster Farmers' Union

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members took their grievances to the consumer. They staged a protest

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and opened a farm stall for the public, selling food at the price

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they would get from supermarkets. It costs you �4.50. We only get

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�1.50 for it. Farm Farmers say prices don't cover

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their costs. A chicken at �1.15. That's terrible. It is disgraceful.

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Absolutely disgraceful in this day and age. I love getting paid for my

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job. They should be able to get paid for their job.

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Derry farmers protested in England and Wales at the low prices

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supermarkets and their suppliers were paying them for their milk.

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Some big named store stores upped prices for farmers. Recent figures

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show milk prices have risen here too, but for cattle farmers like

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Ray Elkin, covering his annual costs remains a struggle, farmers

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like him are clear on where the problem lies. They say relailers

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simply -- retailers simply aren't paying enough.

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The big retailers tell us they are buying X number of tonnes of

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produce from Northern Ireland, why wouldn't they? It is below the cost

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of production. This complaint is echoed across

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Northern Ireland. Many farmers say they have been disregarded by the

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retailer. It is a view shared by Sean McCauley who farms outside

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Ballymoneyy. We are working below cost of

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production figures. It is not sustainable. An industry that

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provides one vital item that people need on a regular basis and that's

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food. But quality food produced to the highest standards and the

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producer on the ground is not getting paid for what he is

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producing. Like others we have spoken to, Sean

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believes that supermarket chains can afford to pay farmers like him

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more, without adding to their customer's shopping bills. But

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representatives for the supermarkets say the consumer comes

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first. Retailers like those you represent

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are making gigantic profits, billions of pounds a year, surely

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they could give a little more to ensure the the of the agriculture

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sector? As far as the market that we have here in Northern Ireland,

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yes we work a lot with our suppliers. Yes, we do buy a huge

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amount in Northern Ireland, but what we are trying to do is bring

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that to a wider market. What we are trying to do is make sure that

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there is a sustainable supply chain and we are trying to make sure

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there is an affordable quality produce there for the consumer in

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Northern Ireland. I have been doing a round of

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meetings with the supermarkets and we are doing all we can to support

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farmers. Are you talking to the supermarkets in such a way to get

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them to give a fairer price? the farming minister and that's my

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job. That's my role. We will continue to engage with them

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because it is important we emphasise the smaller pricing they

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are giving to farmers, it is important we highlight that issue

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and how it is impacting on farmers income.

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We asked the biggest supermarkets here why farmers weren't getting a

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better deal? They said they were giving a fair price and they did

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all they could to support the local farming industry. They pointed out

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that farmers deal directly with processors. Are they keeping down

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the prices? The processors said they were finding it difficult in

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the current economic climate. In an industry where official figures

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suggest an average of one farm closure every day in recent years,

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they said more could be done on price by the supermarkets.

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Well, our friends in the supermarket and I call them our

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friends because we have to work with them, is going to have to

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lower their expectations of their margin and give a little more as

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one of the leading supermarkets say, "Every little helps." Is going to

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have a little more to the people like ourselves who can give their

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growers more or a lot of growers will not be here for next year.

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Other processors say the market is ruled by the demand for cheap food.

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It is easy to have a go at supermarkets in any discussion like

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this. For the Northern Ireland industry, they are amongst the best

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customers that we have. Yes, we would love them to pay for more but

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they will be the ones who will tell us the implications from the point

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of view of their customers. Supermarkets and processors told us

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that it is the market that decides, that means you, the consumer. Do

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you think that you would be willing to pay more at supermarkets to

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support local farmers? Yes. If it was a Northern Ireland product I

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would. Would you be willing to pay more if

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you thought it would help the farmers? Of course, because I'm

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from a rural area so the farmers deserve to get more money. They are

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not getting enough. The supermarkets are doing the

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farmers damage. People are looking for cheaper

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prices, but it is unfortunate the farmers are suffering because of it.

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Farmers protested across the UK, but our local meat producers get

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less than our counterparts in Great Britain a and are losing up to �120

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to �140 per animal. Would you say you got a different

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price than the farmers in England, Scotland and Wales might might get?

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We are producing to the same standard, in fact we hit those

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standards before anyone else and the sister plants here and across

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the water are buying the same kind of animals are are going to markets

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at reduced prices, it is making life difficult.

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Again, responsibility for this is unclear.

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When we meet the processor, they blame the retailer. When we meet

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the retailer, they say they are giving the same price to somewhere.

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Somewhere along the line, somebody is telling porkies.

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We put this to our main supermarkets, they declined to

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speak to Spotlight. Some later told us they couldn't go into detail for

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commercial reasons. We aren't the only ones wanting to

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get to the bottom of price. Next year, Westminster will appoint a

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grocery adjudicator charged with with investigating complaints about

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prices paid in the sectorment until recently, the creation of this role

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had been resisted by almost all of the UK supermarkets.

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Why did the supermarkets resist the adjudicator for so long? I think

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like all of these regulatory issues it is not a case of resisting, it

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is a case of making sure what is put in place is the best for

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everyone concerned. That it is a case that it is not regulation for

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the sake of regulation. That it is not doubling up on regulation that

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already exists and that it is fair and open.

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We also asked the meat processors about the price difference. We have

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a seasonal nature to our business as they have south of the border

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which doesn't exist across the water in GB. That Seasonal side of

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the business means for the past number of weeks we have seen prices

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here weaker than they have been in So farmers are getting less money

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here? At this moment in time in the autumn of the year whenever we are

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in pig slaughter season, the reality is when cattle numbers are

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at their highest, you will find our prices are weaker than they are for

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the rest of the year. The farming union says this affects

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us all, with Northern Ireland losing out to the tune of millions

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of pounds a year, they say more should be done.

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I think supermarkets need to appreciate the farmer more. Some of

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our processors need to appreciate the farmer more. This summer,

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within the beef sector, we have seen a price difference of about 40

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pence per kilo between here and mainland UK and you know that

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equates to about �140 an animal. It is about �1 million a week is being

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lost to the Northern Ireland economy.

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What is clear is that Northern Ireland and the businesses within

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it, including farming, are part of a global picture now as never

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before. Nick Price is one of Belfast's most established chefs

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and restaurant owners. He has represented the food sector

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publicly for several years and feels our relationship with farming

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and the food it produces has to change.

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We have had cheap food for a very long time. I think in the economy

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that we are in the world at the moment, the cost of food will have

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to go up. Hopefully farmers will get some of that. Otherwise, they

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won't be there. They will just disappear.

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Nick is one of those who argues that innovation is critical if

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farms here are to survive. I don't think just because you grew

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cows and sent them to slaughter, it is enough for you to grow cows and

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send them to slaughter. That is not being anti-farming, moving forward,

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we want a vibrant, profitable farming industry.

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But it is the lifeline of European subsidies that keeps farming alive

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here. Most of the aid, �0.25 billion arrives in the form of the

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single farm payment.. People say it is unfair that farmer are

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subsidised. You either pay the subsidy and you get cheap food or

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you don't pay the subsidy and you have to pay a higher price for food

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in the shops. But That subsidy is vital to farmers here and this will

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be one of them and it is likely to be more than the total income from

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farming. Many new farmers came into the business only after the

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qualifying period for subsidies ended. As a result, they get

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nothing. Sure the first thing the bank would ask me is how much is my

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single farm payment for paying it back, so it was no benefit to me.

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You don't get any payment? I don't get any payment. It is the first

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thing the bank wants to know because it is the only sure money

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you have. Three generations of Taylors have

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worked the land here. The family isn't certain that a fourth

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generation will follow. Until he can afford to move out, Denis lives

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with his wife and children on his father, William's farm. William is

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calling for action. Farmers like him propose that Europe can slash

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subsidies in exchange for minimum price guarantees. We need a line in

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the sand which gives the farmer a safety net, a safety net income

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guarantee for his produce and until this is in place, we are not going

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to win the battle with the large supermarkets. Thisser too big and

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too powerful when they face against individual family farmers. We do

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need this line in the sand and that line in the sand, we think, needs

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to come from Brussels. Any solution to the big problems

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with farming here rests with the EU. Reform to subsidised farming is

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pending as nearly everyone agrees the current system is unsustainable.

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It is the nature of the system that we live in where we want to support

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farmers, to make them have viable businesses and also to keep the

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price of food down. That's why we do it. But we now have, we have got

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to the situation where the agriculture budget is half of the

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total EU budget. A massive amount of money and and because of the

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financial situation we are in there is pressure to produce that budget.

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And in changing times, there will be those who get left behind.

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farming industry is so vital to the many of our rural communities that

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its survival is crucial, but that cannot let us be distracted from

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the fact that in its current guise many of the farms are not viable.

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Farming of tomorrow will not look like the farming of yesterday.

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That reality is sinkinging in. The mood in the countryside appears to

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be one of resignation, that for many their way of life no longer

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seems viable. Sean McCauley, bleaches not enough is being done

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by our politicians. The Admiral Turner mrtion at -- the

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administration at Stormont could do more. The big question is are we

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going to let agriculture go? Our agricultural colleges are full of

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students at the moment, highest grades needed to get into them. Are

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we we going to have an industry fit for purpose when they qualify?

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People don't realise the pressure that some people are under.

:25:57.:26:01.

Those trying to support farming communities have noticed a rise in

:26:01.:26:07.

calls for help. Farmers are under a lot of pressure

:26:07.:26:10.

at the moment, not only the weather situation, but financial

:26:10.:26:15.

difficulties, issues around debt, mental health issues are also a

:26:15.:26:20.

significant problem. We need to remember that the agricultural food

:26:20.:26:23.

sector in Northern Ireland is vital to the Northern Ireland economy and

:26:23.:26:27.

we need to provide support to farmers and to people involved in

:26:27.:26:30.

the industry to ensure that it continues.

:26:30.:26:35.

Stormont has created a Strategy Board to help develop the

:26:35.:26:41.

agricultural food sector at home while promoting it abroad. The

:26:41.:26:45.

Minister for Agriculture was in China last week in search of new

:26:45.:26:48.

export opportunities. However, this Strategy Board has stated that it

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will not address the vexed question of pricing. The main issue for many

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farmers. Pricing and those issues are in the mix. They are all being

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discussed and everything is on the table.

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But pricing isn't discussed because you have said it is beyond your

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remit? It is beyond my my remit m is there any way they can drive out

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the costs we have? We have to look at those things and then farmers

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will be producing in the most efficient manner which they can.

:27:24.:27:30.

Others see real change on the horizon.

:27:30.:27:34.

Many farms will close. We need to learn the lessons of those that

:27:34.:27:39.

closed and look at those in existence and ask what changes

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maybe required and that may mean mergers of farms. Co-operatives

:27:49.:27:52.

forming. The financial difficulties in the

:27:52.:27:57.

countryside are at at odds with the expectation and hope for the

:27:57.:28:00.

agricultural food sector. How it can grow and develop when farmers

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are clearly facing the most difficult of circumstances is a

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mystery to many. At Ray Elkin's farm, the TB test

:28:10.:28:13.

proved negative. His farm will remain open over the

:28:13.:28:19.

coming winter months. Like many, he is determined to hold on, come what

:28:19.:28:25.

may. When I met Ray, he wasn't going to do anything else. That was

:28:25.:28:28.

him. He never wanted to do anything else. He had other opportunities

:28:28.:28:33.

when he was younger, but he wanted to be a farmer and that was that. I

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would say there is still people like that. We hope that we will

:28:37.:28:39.

carry on. But what will the industry look

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like in the next few years? One phrase I kept hearing was that

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