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This programme contains some scenes Demand for sexual services means | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
that human traffickers the Northern Ireland as a lucrative market. | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
These are very dangerous individuals who see these people as | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
a business commodity. They are shattering the lives of dozens of | :00:20. | :00:26. | |
vulnerable women here. They do not care! It is just about meat, flesh, | :00:26. | :00:32. | |
that is all. But tonight on Spotlight, we examine a | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
controversial new bill that has been proposed to tackle the growing | :00:34. | :00:41. | |
problem. I believe that traffic in this modern-day slavery. It would, | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
for the first time in the UK, making it illegal for a man to buy | :00:46. | :00:55. | |
sex in any circumstances. I work all week, 40 hours. I pay my taxes, | :00:55. | :01:05. | |
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Police! Earlier this year, the PSNI raided suspected brothels right | :01:39. | :01:47. | |
across Northern Ireland. Police! Stand still! What we discovered is | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
that prostitution is occurring in every county in Northern Ireland. | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
We arrested a number of people involved in brothel keeping, and we | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
recovered a number of people that I would consider to be victims of | :01:58. | :02:08. | |
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Estimates from the PSNI indicate that prostitution in Northern | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
Ireland generates �25 million every year, making it one of the largest | :02:14. | :02:24. | |
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But it is one that very few of us ever get to say. You may think just | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
because you do not see sex workers in your town or city, they are not | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
there, but there are various websites offering services of women | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
right across Northern Ireland. So just how easy is it to book one? Of | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
the dozens of women advertised, I spoke to 10, seemingly from various | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
nationalities, all in Belfast, and all available to meet for sex. | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
I just want to know if you are free for a date tonight. How much is it | :02:57. | :03:06. | |
for an hour? 160. Is that everything? OK, so what shall I do? | :03:06. | :03:16. | |
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How does it work? You come to me. I I called earlier, I am near Belfast | :03:21. | :03:28. | |
Telegraph now. OK, my darling. was as straightforward as that. | :03:28. | :03:37. | |
OK, well, I came to where she wanted to meet, she gave me some | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
further directions to where she is now, but obviously that is as far | :03:41. | :03:49. | |
From making the court is standing outside the apartment took no more | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
than 20 minutes. It shows just how quick, simple and easy it is to buy | :03:55. | :04:03. | |
sexier. -- sex here. So profitable is the industry in Northern Ireland | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
that it attracts prostitutes from all over Europe. Tonight we speak | :04:06. | :04:12. | |
to people with very different experiences of the trade. Laura is | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
an independent escort who knows there is big money to be made here. | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
I can only speak from my own experience, and my experience is | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
very positive in the sex industry. It is a buoyant market and there is | :04:25. | :04:35. | |
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That demand is coming from men like Darren. Over the last three years, | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
he has been a regular visitor to prostitutes in County Antrim. | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
work all week, 40 hours. I pay my taxes, I have some money, I treat | :04:48. | :04:55. | |
myself from time to time. Is that how you see it, as a treat that you | :04:55. | :05:04. | |
have learned? Not that I earned, but it is nice. The estimates he | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
has spent over �2,500 on prostitutes. He believes it was | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
money well spent. What is it now that makes you go | :05:13. | :05:22. | |
back again and again? For the bars -- bars, it is a privilege to get | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
to know girls of that high standard, you do not see them type of girls | :05:27. | :05:33. | |
in town much. You'd have to spend �500 wining and dining them. It | :05:33. | :05:40. | |
bypasses that. Because there are so many men like Darren here who are | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
prepared to pay for sex, the PSNI say that Northern Ireland is now a | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
draw for Human Traffic is eager to exploit that buoyant market. -- | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
human traffickers. They have seen there is a demand from the men for | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
sex, and they will supply that demand to their market place. That, | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
to me, it is not a very nice thing to say about our society in | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
Northern Ireland, that there is that supply and demand. I would | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
estimate on any one day that there are probably about 170 people | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
working or advertised as escorts in Northern Ireland, probably | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
somewhere between 50 and 60 of those individuals may display the | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
indicators of being victims of trafficking. In the last three | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
years, there have been over 40 victims of sexual trafficking | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
recovered in Northern Ireland. They are often extremely traumatised by | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
the experiences, and this means that we very rarely get to hear | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
their stories. But tonight we here exclusively from the only victim of | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
sexual trafficking in Northern Ireland to speak publicly. Sarah | :06:48. | :06:55. | |
had moved to the UK, had a job, friends and family. Her hopes and | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
dreams were in front of her. Then one day she was simply taken. | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
just disappear, in one moment, and you find yourself in an airport | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
with people you do not even know and taken, just taken in a car and | :07:09. | :07:17. | |
goodbye for ever. You must have Sarah believes that all prostitutes | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
are effectively victims of rape and feels that the real story must be | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
told. Do you think people in Northern | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
Ireland understand what is really going on? I don't think so. It is | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
very important for people to know what is really happening appear. | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
Probably there are over... I couldn't say a perfect number, but | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
over 500 rapes a day in Belfast. you think that any of the men who | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
came to see you knew that you were traffic? Yes. They knew everything. | :07:50. | :07:56. | |
They knew. They were speaking with them, they knew. Did they care? | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
Who cares? I was beaten because of them. I am sorry to tell it like | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
that, but they knew, they don't care. It is just about meat, flesh, | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
that's all. Sarah's experience is not unique. The PSNI fear that the | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
real level of human trafficking in Northern Ireland could be double | :08:15. | :08:23. | |
the official figures. In an attempt to address this horrific crime, the | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
UK per year and MLA Maurice Morrow has proposed a ground-breaking but | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
controversial new Bill. It is setting out to basically do three | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
things or try to achieve three things. First, more support for | :08:36. | :08:43. | |
victims. Make more robust provision for the conviction of traffickers. | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
And reduce demand for trafficking. And it is his plan through what is | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
called Clause IV to reduce the demand for sex that makes the bill | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
so unique. Almost all of the laws that currently deal with | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
prostitution in the UK, like keeping a brothel or solicitation, | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
targets the seller or the prostitute and not the buyer. | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
Although already illegal to pay for sex with a forced prostitute, the | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
reality is that this law has proved very difficult to enforce, and as | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
yet there has never been a conviction for that crime in | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
Northern Ireland. This Bill is designed to make things much | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
simpler, because of the very first time it makes buying consensual sex | :09:24. | :09:30. | |
also a crime. There is a demand there, so we must tackle the demand, | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
and that is what Clause IV will do. At the moment, there are some | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
people who, perversely, salve their conscience by saying, what I am | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
doing here, and not breaking any law, and I believe that if this was | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
legislation tomorrow, that would right away take out those who have | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
a regard for the law. I believe it is needed, and I believe it is the | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
real way of tackling human trafficking. If the bill goes | :09:59. | :10:07. | |
through, it would make men like If Lord Morrow was sitting here now, | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
saying that he wants to make you a criminal, what would you say to | :10:11. | :10:19. | |
him? Good luck. I have done absolutely nothing wrong, and I | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
will continue to do so, no matter what. Would this not stop you? | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
Absolutely not, no. Sex worker Laura also believes the bill is | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
misguided and will not help those who are victims of trafficking. | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
do away with demand, to do away with trafficking, it is erroneous, | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
completely wrong. You simply cannot do away with demand. It might | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
deplete on a very small level, but in actual fact what will happen is | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
that you will push the women who do so badly need our help further away | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
from those people who can help them. You are targeting the wrong group | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
of people. You are targeting the people who are paying for and then | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
joined consensual sex, when really what we need to do his target the | :11:02. | :11:08. | |
traffickers. But for Maurice Morrow, proved his law would work exists a | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
short plane ride away. -- proof. Stockholm. | :11:14. | :11:24. | |
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In a place where this law has been More than 10 years ago, Sweden | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
became the first country to make the purchasing of sex and illegal | :11:34. | :11:40. | |
act. Ever since then, it has been held up around the world to tackle | :11:40. | :11:50. | |
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the horrors of human trafficking -- an illegal act. The impact of the | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
sex purchase law on trafficking was only realised later. It is a great | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
benchmark to see if this bill in Northern Ireland would work. Helped | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
by a local journalist and interpreter, we hit the streets to | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
try to talk to prostitutes to hear how they think this law has worked. | :12:11. | :12:19. | |
We spoke to a woman in her 30s. She would not do an on-camera interview | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
but did share her views. The traffic in has gone down. Some | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
years ago, the girls could make heaps of money. But people are more | :12:28. | :12:34. | |
cautious now. Demand has dropped but she still believes there are | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
trafficked prostitutes and people from all walks of life still going | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
to the industry. The maybe you are a single parent, a student, need | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
some extra money. Then it is your own choice to come here. Then you | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
go home and lead an ordinary life. We asked her if this was what she | :12:50. | :12:56. | |
wanted to do. Want is perhaps too strong a word. That is what you | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
have chosen to do. No one has forced me to come here. A do you | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
think prostitution will always be in Stockholm? Yes, I think so. | :13:06. | :13:12. | |
it ever go away? I do not think so. I have seen numerous prostitutes | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
here. I have seen them doing business. I have seen users looking | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
for them. I spoke to a prostitute who said that although the demand | :13:20. | :13:30. | |
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has dropped if men want sex they will find it. With demand for sex | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
reduced but evidently still there, how do the police feel the law is | :13:36. | :13:45. | |
working? Detective Inspector is from the Stockholm police | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
prostitution unit. You still have some street prostitution? It has | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
drastically decreased after the law. Before the law, we could have about | :13:54. | :14:02. | |
up to 18 women on an ordinary night -- up to 80. If we go out later | :14:02. | :14:12. | |
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tonight, you would find about 10, 15. More at weekends. He offered to | :14:12. | :14:20. | |
show me where the street prostitutes take their clients. It | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
is not the most likely place I thought we would end up. The reason | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
why we are here is that this church and graveyard is very close to one | :14:29. | :14:35. | |
of our streets with prostitution. What they do is take their clients | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
from the street and go here because this place is dark and shabbily. | :14:40. | :14:50. | |
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They will actually have sex against a tombstoning -- a tombstone or up | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
against the church wall. The street prostitutes, most of them do not | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
have places to have sex. When you deal with people who will go to | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
those extremes, to have sex in a graveyard with a prostitute, is a | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
fine going to be a deterrent? first-time offender, I would say | :15:15. | :15:22. | |
that a find is probably a deterrent. He evidence of sex was everywhere. | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
Used condoms lying all around the church. It makes me think that if | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
you keep coming back and arresting people here, the deterrent is not | :15:30. | :15:36. | |
working because they are still doing it. You have to think of if | :15:36. | :15:42. | |
we were not having this law, what with the situation be like? De you | :15:42. | :15:51. | |
think it would be worse? Probably 10 times worse. 20. 100 times worse. | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
But there are critics here who feel the reduction in its street | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
prostitution owes more to the internet moving the industry | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
indoors than to the introduction of the law. I went to make a writer on | :16:04. | :16:11. | |
the sex industry -- I went to meet. Hello. Come in. Thank you very much. | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
What is it about this nor that does not work? I would turn the question | :16:16. | :16:25. | |
around and ask, what is working? -- what is it about this law. It is | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
claimed that prostitution is lessened but there is no evidence. | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
It is claimed that trafficking is less but there is no evidence. | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
There is no evidence it has deterred men from buying sex. We | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
can go on with a list but there is no proof. Before the law was put in | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
place, I went with some other people -- by voiced concerns with | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
some other people. The live for sex workers marginalised, their lives | :16:53. | :16:59. | |
would be worse. We warned it would be harder to choose what client you | :16:59. | :17:05. | |
would go with. It would be harder to negotiate safer sex practices. | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
We warned that the stigma against sex workers would be raised. Most | :17:10. | :17:20. | |
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This one went saw the effects of the law first time when she was a | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
prostitute. Now I campaigner, she believes laws like this are not | :17:31. | :17:41. | |
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needed. I believe that the law should protect you and me as well. | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
You can point your finger at any problem we have in the sex industry | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
and there will be a law for that already. We have laws against | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
sexual exploitation, slavery, a child labour, forced labour, | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
kidnapping, rape. All of the laws are there. It would be more | :17:57. | :18:07. | |
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effective to use them. But Sweden's leading expert on human trafficking | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
is convinced the law has led to a 75% reduction in that street | :18:12. | :18:19. | |
prostitution. But has it had an impact on traffickers? We can hear | :18:19. | :18:28. | |
it telephone conversations that traffickers speak about Sweden as a | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
bad market. They are afraid of getting caught. She also believes | :18:33. | :18:39. | |
the law has changed the attitudes of the Swedish people. It has a an | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
important impact because legislation communicate its values | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
in society first. The decision... Most people want to stand on the | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
right side of legislation. It works on most people but it does not work | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
100%. We do not have any legislation that works 100%. | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
have heard arguments but these two subjects prostitution and | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
trafficking should not always been mixed, but they are somehow | :19:05. | :19:12. | |
separate things. They are linked. If there were no prostitutes and | :19:12. | :19:17. | |
demand for social services, there would be no trafficking. -- demand | :19:17. | :19:23. | |
for sexual services. The debate in Sweden is still raging as to the | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
real impact this law has had on demand for sexual services. It is | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
an argument that is being echoed back in Northern Ireland. Sex for | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
sale is never going to go away no matter whether we criminalise the | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
client, the sex worker, the advertiser, it is not going to go | :19:41. | :19:47. | |
away. That is not a reason not to try and address demand for some. | :19:47. | :19:55. | |
I would love there to be no murders, no robberies. The real world tells | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
me those things are going to happen. But I am not going to sit back and | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
say, because those things happen, there is nothing we could or should | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
be doing. I am going to try and be the voice of those who have no | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
voice on this issue. I will be speaking out for them. Those who | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
have experienced the pain back the industry can inflict believe that | :20:15. | :20:22. | |
doing nothing is not an option. This trafficking victim endured | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
many months of being moved around locations right across Northern | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
Ireland. She still struggles to overcome the effect of daily abuse. | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
Is there such a thing as a typical day? The number of men, the Times, | :20:34. | :20:44. | |
how would it work? It is at any away in the night because they do | :20:44. | :20:51. | |
not care. You are forced. It means anybody can come there. It means 15 | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
minutes on the clock. It means you cannot stay... Basically, how many | :20:57. | :21:05. | |
people? Between five and 15. Probably more. It depends how you | :21:05. | :21:15. | |
can resist. A day? Yes. That is how it is done. Every day? Yes Foster | :21:15. | :21:21. | |
you cannot walk. - macro yes. You cannot walk. Had I do you survive | :21:21. | :21:27. | |
that? I wished sometimes to be dead. Not to be there. How often way you | :21:27. | :21:35. | |
beaten? Every day. Every day. -- how often were you beaten? For what | :21:35. | :21:43. | |
reason? No reason. Just if I was looking out of the window or | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
probably if I was missing my family or something. They would just be to | :21:48. | :21:57. | |
you for that? One? Because they want to make you we care so that he | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
fell and they create their addiction in you. You do not have | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
food, sleep, freedom. You cannot even watch the window. They saw I | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
was fighting so after a while they plan to kill me. But they did not, | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
they could not, because people were paying money for me. Did you | :22:15. | :22:22. | |
believe they were going to kill you? Yes, are believed it. The PSNI | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
say these fears are well-founded. These are very dangerous | :22:27. | :22:33. | |
individuals. They are serious and organised criminals who exhort and | :22:33. | :22:40. | |
use control on the people that they are moving. They see them as | :22:40. | :22:47. | |
commodities. The people will be moved in to read be used and abused. | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
People that you could be living with in your own street or in a | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
family who are involved in the purchasing of sex. If you could say | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
anything to the guys who come to see you, what would you say? | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
take a second view on what they are doing. If I could scream in this | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
room 10,000 times, do you think somebody would hear me? What is the | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
level of the screen, the sound of it? That is how much they hurt. | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
They were just watching me and saying, you are such a beautiful | :23:17. | :23:24. | |
girl, now get naked. There are impassioned arguments for and | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
against this law. It seems that often the more you have seen all | :23:28. | :23:34. | |
felt the paint the industry can inflict, the more likely you are to | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
believe or hope that the proposed legislation would work and reduce | :23:38. | :23:44. | |
the demand for paid sex -- the more you have felt or seemed the pain | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
the industry can inflict. Drug addiction took this mother from a | :23:48. | :23:54. | |
happy normal life to selling sex on the streets of Dublin. Now drug- | :23:54. | :24:02. | |
free, but she fears she will never be the same again. Sometimes I am | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
scared I will be forever seen as damaged and there has now made | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
myself untouchable -- and I have now made myself untouchable for the | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
rest of my life. There are things that have happened I will never | :24:14. | :24:21. | |
make sense of. A it is clear that the demand is fuelling trafficking | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
needs. Prostitution and trafficking are intrinsically linked. You have | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
more because of the other. Talking about human trafficking and not | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
talking about prostitution is like talking about the slave trade and | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
forgetting to mention the plantation, the sex industry is a | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
vile, sit, twisted world and must be brought in its knees. The only | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
way it can is to cut off what makes it exists and that is the demand | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
for. Men who think they have a right to buy a that human beings. | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
This man says he would never buy sex from an unwilling or trafficked | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
sex worker and does not see anything wrong in what he is doing. | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
I think it is entirely different what we are doing to what they are | :25:06. | :25:12. | |
doing. That is important that we should... I see fully independent | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
escorts. There are criminal gangs who are human trafficking and that | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
is different. How we do know? just know. Their personalities. If | :25:20. | :25:27. | |
they are happy are not. Is there a danger that there is a wilful sort | :25:27. | :25:35. | |
of ignorance in men who biceps? I do not think so. -- in men who | :25:35. | :25:40. | |
buy sex. I know if they are independent and happy. But this | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
woman says there is no such thing as a happy prostitute and all | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
romanticised notions of the sex industry are flawed. I know women | :25:50. | :25:58. | |
on the streets that fantasise about it, they believe their favourite | :25:58. | :26:05. | |
customer will rescue them and save them. But they do not want to. And | :26:05. | :26:12. | |
when we die, they come back the next week. We do die. We die lonely | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
of massive overdoses, poll from the canals stone-cold. Imagine the last | :26:17. | :26:23. | |
thing you do when you're alive is give a bludgeon to a 60 year-old? | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
Women say it provides support and accommodation for victims of | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
trafficking and sexual abuse. They have heard stories like this many | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
times before and back the proposed legislation. I have no | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
understanding of why people would not support this bill. I think | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
morally and as a society, why would we not pass this bill? Why would we | :26:45. | :26:53. | |
not say sexual violence against women is wrong? I have not heard a | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
good argument to change my mind. Many legal experts and law- | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
enforcement bodies remain unconvinced that the Bill would | :27:00. | :27:08. | |
work. This criminologist from Queen's University... The bill | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
conflates two fairly distinct activities. One trafficking and the | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
other prostitution. Some trafficking may involve an element | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
of prostitution but there are lots of trafficking activities that do | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
not necessarily involved prostitution. Prostitution because | :27:23. | :27:30. | |
it is a varied practice can exist in the absence of trafficking. What | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
the Bill is effectively saying is that everyone involved in sex work | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
and prostitution are traffic. There is no evidence that is in fact the | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
case. And the Justice Minister is on record as having concerns that | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
making the purchase of consensual sex a crime risks driving | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
prostitution underground and make it honourable people at greater | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
risk of harm while the PSNI fear the Bill would divert vital police | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
resources away from recovering trafficking victims. My opinion is | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
it may hamper the recovery of human trafficking victims and change the | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
focus from recovery of them on to purely prostitution. Human | :28:12. | :28:21. | |
trafficking is not... We showed what we had discovered in Sweden | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
but he remained convinced the law would pass. Here's a message. | :28:26. | :28:34. | |
can decide that we can play around the edges of this problem or we can | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
take a more positive and robust approach and say that we should | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
tackle this issue. We should not allow a situation to continue to | :28:42. | :28:49. | |
deteriorate whereby you then have this issue of human trafficking | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
escalating year on year. But while lawmakers, legislators and those | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
who work both willingly and unwillingly in the sex industry | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
continued to disagree, one thing will remain certain. Every day and | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
every night in Northern Ireland, the demand for paid sex remains. | :29:08. | :29:16. | |
That means for some so will the pain. These are men far our | :29:16. | :29:23. |