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Margaret Thatcher was a deeply divisive figure. The very funeral | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
prompted controversy with a towel over its cost and the suspension of | :00:48. | :00:56. | |
Parliament to allow MPs and peers to attend. And in Republican areas of | :00:56. | :01:06. | |
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Northern Ireland, the unbridled hatred was obvious. Maggie's dead. | :01:07. | :01:13. | |
Her death conjured up feelings from more than three decades ago. | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
Republicans blame an uncompromising Margaret Thatcher for the deaths of | :01:19. | :01:27. | |
ten prisoners on hunger strike. For them, she was and is a figure of | :01:27. | :01:35. | |
hate. I viewed Margaret Thatcher as a detestable character. Her whole | :01:35. | :01:43. | |
persona and Outlook towards the hunger strikers. Unionists turned on | :01:43. | :01:52. | |
her too. Burning her effigy in response to an agreement which gave | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
Dublin a role in Northern Ireland's affairs. The unionist people of | :01:58. | :02:08. | |
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northern Ireland, felt totally betrayed by Margaret Thatcher. | :02:10. | :02:20. | |
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hand this woman, Margaret Thatcher, over to the devil. Oh God, take | :02:22. | :02:29. | |
action upon this wicked creature. Over the years many have reconcile | :02:29. | :02:37. | |
their differences for the four Unionists, it was something that | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
goes to the core of the identity of who they are. Despite the | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
Anglo-Irish Agreement, Margaret Thatcher was a leader Unionists | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
could identify with, proudly British and not afraid to stand up for her | :02:52. | :03:02. | |
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country. So why does she so bitterly divide opinion today? Delving into | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
her rarely seen private papers, we uncover fresh insights into the | :03:08. | :03:18. | |
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so-called iron Lady. Now that she is dead, what is her legacy in Northern | :03:21. | :03:29. | |
Ireland? Nobody knew about the explosion. Margaret Thatcher on the | :03:29. | :03:39. | |
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campaign trail in 1979. She was informed about a bomb attack. A rare | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
glimpse of Margaret Thatcher and guarded and shaken. This was the | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
moment when the turbulent and bloody relationship between Margaret | :03:51. | :03:58. | |
Thatcher and Northern Ireland began. The INLA bomb had killed her | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
political friend and adviser Airey Neave. A British war hero who | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
masterminded her rise to the top. Those of us who believe in the | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
things Airey Neave fought for will see however use argument that | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
continue to live on in this country. His murder would hang | :04:19. | :04:27. | |
darkly over the next 11 years of her time in office. Cambridge, it is to | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
this university that Margaret Thatcher bequeathed her personal | :04:30. | :04:36. | |
archive. I have been invited in to see for myself this extraordinary | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
collection. Now revealing the secrets of some of the most | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
controversial moment of our recent history. Andrew Daly is the man who | :04:47. | :04:54. | |
looks after the Thatcher papers. first thing is just the huge scale | :04:54. | :05:01. | |
of paperwork, a huge archive of well over 1 million individual documents. | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
By faith alone it would have a huge importance. The elements of her | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
annotation and the element of things that were private of her rated as | :05:10. | :05:17. | |
highly as any collection in the UK. Inside this collection are official | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
government notes and letters. More of which are released each year. Bit | :05:22. | :05:28. | |
by bit this political and historical treasure is revealing more about the | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
real Mrs Thatcher. Including fresh insights on her thinking of Northern | :05:32. | :05:40. | |
Ireland. And especially striking what the continuing influence of the | :05:40. | :05:49. | |
Airey Neave, long after his murder. Writing to Jim Callaghan just days | :05:49. | :05:56. | |
after the death of Airey Neave, she vowed that the murder would not | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
change her party 's stance on Northern Ireland vote up she also | :05:59. | :06:05. | |
revealed that Airey Neave completed the Eilish section of the | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
Conservative manifesto hours before his death and she was sticking to | :06:07. | :06:17. | |
it. Mrs Thatcher 's papers are littered with reference to Airey | :06:17. | :06:27. | |
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Neave. It is clear what his views -- the effect his views had on her. | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
This is a personal letter to Margaret Thatcher in April 1979 | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
expressing sympathy upon the death of Airey Neave. What is interesting | :06:39. | :06:46. | |
is that it says at a time before either had been made prime minister | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
that he hopes no British government will either have any truck with | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
these people as has happened in the past. He is urging Mrs Thatcher not | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
to talk to terrorists. We brought a copy of this letter and other papers | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
from the archive back to Belfast. The letter is considered highly | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
significant because it appears to mark the beginning of a hugely | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
important personal relationship between her and Fitzgerald. It would | :07:14. | :07:23. | |
have a later impact an Anglo-Irish relations. I think it is one of the | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
most insightful letters we have come across dealing with this whole | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
period of Thatcher and Ireland. Here he has put into Thatcher the prime | :07:33. | :07:42. | |
minister designate. She will have to help someone like him who will no | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
doubt become a display minister in the future to solve this problem. | :07:46. | :07:54. | |
While Mrs Thatcher 's private views were open to some, in Northern | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
Ireland itself, people waited to find out what her approach would be. | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
At that time there was a sense of excitement. People were still | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
looking at it with some sense of curiosity for that I do not think | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
anybody fully realise the extent to which she was expressing the very | :08:13. | :08:20. | |
right-wing views of her party in many instances. Her Majesty the | :08:20. | :08:28. | |
Queen has asked me to form the new administration. At that time we | :08:28. | :08:34. | |
thought it was time for a strong prime minister. She was determined | :08:34. | :08:40. | |
not to let the IRA win and that was reassuring for Unionists. An early | :08:40. | :08:47. | |
test of this result came in August 1979 when the IRA killed soldiers in | :08:47. | :08:54. | |
County Down. She was furious that the bombers were able to detonate | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
the bomb is from the south of the border with the Army could not | :08:57. | :09:04. | |
pursue them. Within 48 hours, Margaret Thatcher was in Belfast, | :09:04. | :09:14. | |
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her first visit as prime minister. Please stand still. Mrs Thatcher's | :09:19. | :09:29. | |
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and trenchant no surrender unionism -- UNIX powered by then was it a | :09:30. | :09:39. | |
step unionist. We concede the background influence of the | :09:39. | :09:47. | |
conservative right wing. Ian Gow kept her in touch with these rather | :09:47. | :09:56. | |
anti-Irish views and refusal of cooperation with the Republic of | :09:56. | :10:06. | |
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Ireland. Time and time again they tried to put their view to Margaret | :10:06. | :10:13. | |
Thatcher by saying it is what Airey Neave would have done. He is | :10:13. | :10:21. | |
informing the debate. On the day of her funeral, a small celebration was | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
organised in Belfast by local Republicans. Here the former pro | :10:25. | :10:35. | |
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minister is reviled. May she roast in hell for what she has done. | :10:35. | :10:43. | |
the gathering is Jared Hodgkins, he was a hunger striker. It is a | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
significant day it marks the final passing of our number one opponent | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
during the hunger strike. It is important to mark the passing of a | :10:53. | :11:02. | |
tyrant. In 1981, Bobby Sands made five demands including the right to | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
wear non-prison uniform. And essentially, to be treated as a | :11:09. | :11:17. | |
political prisoner. Margaret Thatcher refused to negotiate and | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
Bobby Sands and nine others died. Republicans aim -- blame her for the | :11:22. | :11:28. | |
deaths. We will not compromise on this. There will be no political | :11:28. | :11:36. | |
status. But in recent years this image of the unwavering Thatcher has | :11:36. | :11:42. | |
been called into question by the emergence of startling information, | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
proof of a secret back channel between the IRA and the highest | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
levels of government. A means by which the two sides could pass | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
messages, effectively talking to each other. Here is the proof. | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
Documents detailing this secret channel and one government paper | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
apparently willing to consent to three of the hunger striker -- | :12:06. | :12:12. | |
hunger strikers demands. But what is most astonishing about it is that it | :12:13. | :12:19. | |
was amended in Margaret Thatcher 's own hand. She had provisos to the | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
British offer. It is evident that she was sitting at the British end | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
of the back channel. In effect secretly in getting with Republicans | :12:29. | :12:39. | |
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represented by Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness. This man says the | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
handwritten amendments have real significance. She had built up an | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
international reputation by sticking to her arguments, none more so than | :13:00. | :13:09. | |
not talking to terrorists. Margaret Thatcher has significantly edited | :13:09. | :13:15. | |
some of these documents and Gerry Adams is at the other end up these | :13:15. | :13:25. | |
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lines. They refer to private exchanges with the Prime Minister. | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
Some claim that confidential papers show that Mrs Thatcher was more | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
flexible than she portrayed herself. Others believe that there | :13:37. | :13:47. | |
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was in intransigence on both sides. I don't think you can say it was | :13:49. | :13:59. | |
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either side. I think Mrs Thatcher could have refrained from making it | :14:01. | :14:11. | |
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a head-on issue and leaving herself now room to move and I think the | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
Republicans take advantage of that. But I don't think you can blame one | :14:16. | :14:22. | |
side over the other. The political aftermath of the hunger strikes was | :14:22. | :14:29. | |
the rise and rise of Sinn Fein as an electoral force. The man who had to | :14:29. | :14:35. | |
deal with this on behalf of Margaret Thatcher was Jim Prior. Sent to | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
Northern Ireland shortly before the end of the hunger strikes. It had | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
been seven years since there had been any significant attempt at a | :14:44. | :14:51. | |
political resolution. The failed to show work back -- the field | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
power-sharing agreement. That brought them into conflict with | :14:57. | :15:07. | |
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Thatcher's hardliners. Enoch Powell said to me, whatever you do do not | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
use the word reconciliation. I said to him, surely reconciliation is | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
what one has to try to aim to achieve in Northern Ireland | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
otherwise there will never be peace. I knew perfectly well what he meant. | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
He meant that reconciliation, in the eyes of the Unionists, meant a | :15:26. | :15:33. | |
greater agree opportunity between the north and the South. West Ham | :15:33. | :15:43. | |
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and Ian Gow -- with him and Ian Gow constantly speaking in Margaret | :15:48. | :15:58. | |
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notes to the Prime Minister opposing prior's devolution plans. Anyone, he | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
invoked the ghost of Airey Neave in desperation, he wrote, I cannot | :16:13. | :16:23. | |
forget Airey Neave. She did listen to Ian Gow. This was one of the | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
problems. I didn't think he would bring Airey Neave into it as much as | :16:29. | :16:36. | |
he did. I do not think that was very eyes but in other respects one has | :16:36. | :16:46. | |
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to respect that he was a very powerful advocate. But this man | :16:46. | :16:55. | |
believes it reflects a major change in policy. I think we can see in | :16:55. | :17:05. | |
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something like the cri de coeur of Ian Gow, that is recognising that | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
Northern Ireland is different. She doesn't have any great initiative | :17:13. | :17:22. | |
that Prior's initiative will succeed. Opposed by many Unionists, | :17:22. | :17:32. | |
directed by nationalists, Prior's plan for devolution fizzled out. But | :17:32. | :17:38. | |
Margaret Thatcher's next major step took almost everyone by surprise. In | :17:38. | :17:45. | |
November 1985, Britain and Ireland signed the Anglo-Irish Agreement. | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
The Irish state agreed new cross-border security arrangements | :17:50. | :17:57. | |
to defend against the IRA. And the British gave the Irish a role in | :17:57. | :18:05. | |
some of Northern Ireland 's internal affairs. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr | :18:05. | :18:13. | |
Fitzgerald and I have today signed a solemn agreement. It was the end of | :18:13. | :18:23. | |
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three years of intense negotiation and shocked unionism. Some of my | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
children were sitting on the carpet looking at gas and horrified at the | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
television screen and I knew something was wrong. They told me, | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
we have got to get out of Northern Ireland. I ask them what they meant | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
and they said that Mrs Thatcher had been to Hillsborough and she had | :18:42. | :18:49. | |
sold us down the river to Garret FitzGerald in Dublin. Both sides | :18:49. | :18:59. | |
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felt what they had agreed, albeit nervously, was historic. Margaret | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
Thatcher made an opening speech and then Garret made an opening speech | :19:05. | :19:14. | |
and he started off in daylight. That sent a slight chill round the room | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
because we didn't know what was actually being said. But the moment | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
of tension in the room was to prove the least of the government's | :19:23. | :19:33. | |
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worries. We say never, never, never, never! Such was the sense of | :19:40. | :19:50. | |
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rage that unionism rejected Margaret Thatcher. Tom King had to run the | :19:53. | :20:01. | |
gauntlet. That was my concern when I arrived. That it had been negotiated | :20:01. | :20:07. | |
in secret. The Unionist politicians weren't involved in the British | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
side. Seemingly out of the blue, Margaret Thatcher had switched from | :20:13. | :20:20. | |
the position of no Irish involvement in Northern Ireland is to | :20:20. | :20:30. | |
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Anglo-Irish Agreement. The lady was for turning but why? He was really | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
crestfallen, Enoch Powell, he was feeling very down about what had | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
happened. He had put a lot of store by Margaret Thatcher's determination | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
not to give in. He had talked before about the fact that Airey Neave's | :20:49. | :20:59. | |
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tragic death, and that there were other tragic influences being | :21:04. | :21:11. | |
brought to bear. Civil servants in Whitehall simply wanted to be read | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
of the Northern Ireland problem at any cost to the union. But those | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
close to talks say that Cabinet members slowly convinced that a | :21:20. | :21:30. | |
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political solution with Southern Irish involvement was the way to go. | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
There were a lot of people around Mrs Thatcher who knew Garret well | :21:36. | :21:44. | |
and had known him for a long time. People like Geoffrey Howe. People | :21:44. | :21:51. | |
like Jim Prior. Six years previously, Garret FitzGerald had | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
written that personal letter to Margaret Thatcher, telling her that | :21:55. | :22:00. | |
it fell to their generation to resolve the Irish problem. The | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
agreement marked the final political breach with her political friend and | :22:05. | :22:15. | |
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ally, Ian Gow. She disappeared up to her private room to speak to Ian Gow | :22:19. | :22:24. | |
and he announced he would retire from government. She hadn't | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
anticipated he would feel so strongly about it. That was the | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
first sign of strong reactions to come. Despite the intensity of the | :22:33. | :22:43. | |
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Unionist's backlash... The remainder of Premiership was played out | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
against Langston from all sides. That is the anger that injuries. | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
best way to describe it was that Margaret Thatcher was a military | :23:02. | :23:12. | |
leader. She may have been the Prime Minister of Britain but she had a | :23:12. | :23:22. | |
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military approach. She was not up for negotiation, resolution, she was | :23:23. | :23:31. | |
trying to crush republicanism rather than deal with the conflict. | :23:31. | :23:38. | |
Thatcher was the IRA's number one target. The IRA bombed the Grand | :23:38. | :23:47. | |
Hotel in Brighton where a number of conservatives were staying. You feel | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
about these atrocities but you do not expect them to happen to you. | :23:51. | :23:58. | |
But life must go on as usual. Life will go on. The conference will go | :23:58. | :24:08. | |
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with her. It was fantastic. He would have thought that nothing had | :24:32. | :24:40. | |
happened the night before. In later years, she would have admitted to | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
being terrified every time she was in public and yet her rip | :24:43. | :24:51. | |
determination to face down the IRA didn't waver. | :24:51. | :25:01. | |
She agreed to attend a memorial service when asked by Tom King. | :25:01. | :25:08. | |
There was an almost audible gasp when we drove into the square and | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
people realised that Margaret Thatcher had come. It was a very | :25:13. | :25:20. | |
moving moment. Were you disappointed at the time that the IRA weren't | :25:20. | :25:29. | |
able to kill her? You've got to watch what questions you are asking. | :25:29. | :25:36. | |
She was killing her own citizens. Would you ask a British soldier or | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
Margaret Thatcher when she was alive if she was disappointed when an IRA | :25:41. | :25:51. | |
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volunteer did? I don't think so. It was a war. She was a protagonist in | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
the war and she became a target. Margaret Thatcher fought back with | :25:54. | :26:01. | |
equal determination. Reacting to a series of IRA attacks, she | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
considered selective internment but decided to roll back from this and | :26:07. | :26:16. | |
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instead, in 1988, banned Sinn Fein voices from broadcast. If everybody | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
tomorrow voted for Sinn Fein, it wouldn't make a blind bit of | :26:23. | :26:33. | |
difference to the Irish government. She thought she could cut off the | :26:33. | :26:42. | |
oxygen. She was wrong. The violence continued. In July 1990, Ian Gow, | :26:42. | :26:51. | |
thatcher's one-time close confident was killed by an IRA car bomb. Just | :26:51. | :26:58. | |
four months after Ian Gow's murder, she left Downing Street for the last | :26:59. | :27:05. | |
time. I don't think she had the type of understanding of the nuances of | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
the feelings of people, of the attitudes that existed in Northern | :27:11. | :27:16. | |
Ireland. I don't think she ever understood those. I don't think she | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
understood Ireland. I think at times she still thought that there are | :27:20. | :27:28. | |
public of Ireland was a colony and was tempted to treat it as such. -- | :27:28. | :27:36. | |
the Republic of Ireland. Luckily, there were people within her party | :27:36. | :27:43. | |
and the government who don't understand. I think the harsher | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
critics will say that she didn't really have much influence in terms | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
of a legacy for peace in Northern Ireland. I'm not sure that is the | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
case. As much as I despise the Anglo-Irish Agreement and Dublin | :27:55. | :28:04. | |
being given a say in our internal affairs, it was a shock to the union | :28:04. | :28:14. | |
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system. We were going to have to find a new way forward that gave us | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
the control over our own destiny. will be largely left to political | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
historians to make the final assessment of thatcher's legacy and | :28:24. | :28:34. | |
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Ireland. What ever her qualms about the Anglo-Irish Agreement, as a | :28:39. | :28:49. | |
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essential prerequisite to the good fight -- Good Friday Agreement, it | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
was of major importance. Others would build on her foundations and | :28:54. | :29:04. | |
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the Unionists reviled horror -- her in 1985. The two governments would | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
become the honest brokers of an evolving peace process which would | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
give us the institutions people in Northern Ireland enjoyed today. | :29:25. | :29:31. | |
Republicans and many nationalists, Margaret Thatcher was a modern | :29:31. | :29:40. | |
witch. A person they regarded as a criminal, their most detested enemy. | :29:40. | :29:47. | |
And yet the irony of her legacy as the most read, white and blue of | :29:47. | :29:51. |