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now, many of us are bust. Homes bought at the peak of lost more than | :00:10. | :00:17. | |
50% of their value. The middle-class is bust. | :00:17. | :00:23. | |
Five years ago, people here broke off �8 million in bankruptcies. In | :00:24. | :00:31. | |
2012 it was closer to 1 billion. I don't want to go bankrupt. | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
Record numbers are filing for insolvency and the rate here is | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
writing faster than anywhere else in the UK. | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
You've got just over �11,000 worth of debt and that will take you nine | :00:43. | :00:50. | |
years to pay off. But not everyone is facing live in. | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
They are finding the banks can shrink their debt. | :00:54. | :01:00. | |
If you are running a bank, you are not going to be advertising it. | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
Our finance minister says Northern Ireland's biggest bank is making it | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
worse. Unless we are going to do something | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
radical, we are going to be completely inadequate. The debts we | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
have racked up are strangling our economy and there could be worse to | :01:14. | :01:24. | |
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self-employed plumber, trying to make ends meet. He's got a big | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
mortgage but little work. This year is slow. I'm pricing a lot | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
of work but there are so many boys pressing against you and its | :01:54. | :02:04. | |
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Like many people, Gary and his wife Louise bought a house at the height | :02:05. | :02:14. | |
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of the boom in 2007. What is the job today? Power flush.They took out a | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
massive interest only mortgage. That has become a problem because work is | :02:18. | :02:24. | |
scarce. Everyone has been led to believe that you have to have a | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
house and this didn't happen overnight. I think it is British | :02:27. | :02:34. | |
culture. We were taught that you can't lose rix and water -- bricks | :02:34. | :02:40. | |
and mortar. Gary's problems are to do with his mortgage problems. He | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
hasn't wrapped up debts through credit cards or other loans. He is | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
trapped. He can't sell his house because it is worth less than he | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
paid for its mortgage. He is in negative equity. Just to put it in | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
perspective for us, roughly how much did it cost when you bought it. | :02:57. | :03:05. | |
has cost 240 and we took a mortgage for 190. So you have a mortgage for | :03:05. | :03:15. | |
190. 190 plus arrears so we are not far off 200. What is the latest | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
estimate of what the house is worth? One of the houses in the | :03:20. | :03:27. | |
street sold for 115 recently. that is �75,000 negative equity. | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
His problems began when his wife had to leave work after developing | :03:31. | :03:40. | |
breast cancer and had to leave. It meant the family income was cut. | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
thought, everyone told me we'd be OK and we would a payment break will | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
stop it was in the contract. She was seven months out of work before she | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
went back to work. They just said no because of the negative equity. | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
loss of income coupled with the downturn in Gary's business has | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
meant the family couldn't cope with the mortgage and they have given up | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
even trying to make their monthly payments. You have gone into | :04:06. | :04:14. | |
arrears? I am baked into arrears.It means the company that gave him the | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
mortgage could repossess Gary's home but that wouldn't mean he would be | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
free of the debt. If there was repossessed, he would still owe what | :04:22. | :04:29. | |
was left on the mortgage she took out. Gary doesn't know what to do. | :04:29. | :04:36. | |
It does get on top of you. Does. We are in the position to move and we | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
have done it. We didn't know this would happen. | :04:41. | :04:48. | |
Gary's situation is the story of Northern Ireland in 20 2013. Houses | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
have plummeted in value. There is a lot of water and of the bridge since | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
then. As prices have fallen further than anywhere else in the UK. Down | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
over 50% from the peak. It has been up to charity workers to deal with | :05:01. | :05:07. | |
the pain that it has caused. This is the man on the street, this | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
is every third person you meet. Depending on what their | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
circumstances are, what they were working at when things were good and | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
there was a lot of money and a lot of jobs and overtime, people did | :05:19. | :05:25. | |
chase the dream. With the collapse of the economy in recent times, in | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
the recession, a lot of people are left very overcommitted. | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
Gerard shares his workplace with citizens advice, which has seen | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
rises in people seeking help for debts. This is one of Northern | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
Ireland's debt hotspots. The number of people coming through its doors | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
have quadrupled over the last four years. | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
Probably the biggest amount of debt back then would have been 3000 or | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
�4000. We would have seen debt rise from the average amount of debt | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
could be �100,000 per person. Especially if you see people with | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
maybe two cars, a home and perhaps a second home they are renting out. We | :06:06. | :06:13. | |
have found where many have gone from thousand pounds income a week to | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
just a couple of hundred pounds. What is your reaction to people | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
saying they are �100 in debt? Typically, it doesn't raise and | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
eyebrow. They are recommending in many cases | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
that people declare themselves insolvent. Over 3200 people declared | :06:34. | :06:44. | |
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themselves officially broke last access to the figures that show the | :06:46. | :06:52. | |
true extent of this problem. In the last two years, just under �1.7 | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
billion has been written off in personal bankruptcies in Northern | :06:56. | :07:04. | |
Ireland. There are a handful of big visual losses in there but to put it | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
in perspective, the figure 2008 was �8 million will stop for years | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
later, it was almost one billion and at the heart of it is property gone | :07:13. | :07:20. | |
badly wrong. Across the border, a colossal amount of property debt is | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
being shouldered by ordinary borrowers. Is the story of | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
Ireland's economic collapse. But even in that context, one leading | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
economist there says the debt weighing on people in the Ireland is | :07:33. | :07:41. | |
shocking. The scale of the personal debt problem in Northern Ireland is | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
surprising. It is �1 billion of write-offs. It is without a shadow | :07:46. | :07:52. | |
of a doubt the single biggest financial issue facing the North. | :07:52. | :07:58. | |
How do you deal with the fact that you have almost �1 billion already | :07:58. | :08:04. | |
of debt written off? This is out of control. | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
It was a lending and spending spree that got us here but now properties | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
bought at the height of the market are worth nothing like they were. | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
Northern Ireland has seen the value of some homes cut in half. | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
The middle-class is bust and by that I mean it is the same in the North | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
as well, if you look at the balance sheet the middle-class. On one side, | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
the assets are houses which have collapsed in value and the liability | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
side of the debts of which remain fixed. And that is the personal | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
insolvency nightmare here. As with many in Northern Ireland, it | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
is a nightmare which Gary knows only too well. It has bought into the | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
brink bankruptcy. He is trying to negotiate with his mortgage provider | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
but said it is no use. Just before Christmas I realise I | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
had to do something done about this stop I type 2% to negotiate with me | :08:59. | :09:07. | |
but I am dealing with a call centre and they are just reading a script. | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
They can only answer using the script. | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
There are few answers. Financial advisers tell him to get himself | :09:15. | :09:21. | |
insolvent but he still doesn't want to do it. | :09:21. | :09:28. | |
Three financial advisers told me to walk away. What does that mean? Hand | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
the keys in and start again. I want to still do a deal. I want to keep | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
the house. I don't want to go bankrupt. That is the last thing I | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
want to do. For the majority, bankruptcy is a | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
life changing event. Being insolvent ribbons people's ability should | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
borrow and fewer people can spend. That hits the economy. It is a debt | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
spiral and is wobbly our finance minister. -- worrying our finance | :09:55. | :10:01. | |
minister. It depresses the economy further and | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
the more you do that the more people lose their jobs and are more likely | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
to become in solvent and the less money is spent so businesses find it | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
more difficult. And that is what is happening. | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
Advice worker Rosemary McDonald is finding increasing number of small | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
businesses going to the wall. These are people who might own the | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
local newsagents, a cafe, a small restaurant. They are the hardware | :10:29. | :10:35. | |
shop owners. The ideology is a after a year we are all right. These | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
people were never set up the game because they have been so battered | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
into the ground and they will not set up again. | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
Banks are now coming under scrutiny for the role they are playing in the | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
debts nightmare. There is concern that heavily indebted banks are | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
calling in what is into them at a time when they are supposed to be | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
lending will stop our finance minister believes Northern | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
Ireland's display is especially aggressive in trying to balance its | :11:00. | :11:06. | |
books. In some circumstances, in order to | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
try and repair the balance sheet, they were going after those | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
companies who were most likely to be able to work their way out of debt | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
if they were given time and saying, we want it from you now. There is an | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
asset which is earning you money at present. So it and get rid of it. If | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
us the money for it. Ulster bank says it can't lend | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
indefinitely to businesses which it believes aren't viable. However, our | :11:36. | :11:41. | |
finance minister has a radical suggestion for Ulster bank. He wants | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
it to be broken up and its bad debt - off to stop it squeezing hard up | :11:46. | :11:56. | |
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clients for cash. They do have bad property loans. If you want to have | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
a being able to operate as a viable bank then you have got to somehow | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
separate out these bad property loans which strike their profits | :12:08. | :12:17. | |
down every year. It is a radical solution. Unless we do something | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
fairly radical we are going to stumble along with a banking system | :12:20. | :12:30. | |
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which is totally inadequate. Given the importance of Ulster Bank to the | :12:30. | :12:37. | |
economy, that is going to curtail economic growth in the private | :12:37. | :12:46. | |
sector very badly in the future. future is a long way off for the | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
many people struggling with debt in Northern Ireland. They want rid of | :12:49. | :12:59. | |
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it. The cleanest break is often to just go bankrupt. | :13:01. | :13:10. | |
Good morning. This person works for a charity | :13:10. | :13:17. | |
which shows people what to do when they get over their heads in debt. | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
There is not a typical person. she has agreed to bring us on a | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
visit to a client who has racked up a serious amount of debt, not | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
through property, but through credit cards and payday loans and has | :13:32. | :13:40. | |
decided to declare herself insolvent. | :13:40. | :13:50. | |
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I had to give everything up. I have had to sell things. I had to pawn my | :13:51. | :14:01. | |
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camera. How much did you get for it? �50. You had to pawn your camera to | :14:01. | :14:11. | |
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buy food? Yes, but you have to eat. Her situation means she must hear | :14:16. | :14:22. | |
stark advice. You have got �11,000 worth of debt. That will take you | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
nine years to pay off. We do not believe that is a realistic time to | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
live on a tight budget. Our advice is contained in this letter. We | :14:34. | :14:42. | |
suggest our debt relief order. Uptake of debt relief orders is | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
rocketing. It is a new kind of mini bankruptcy. There are strict | :14:47. | :14:57. | |
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conditions. It is for people who get off under �15,000. It is quite a | :15:00. | :15:10. | |
quick way to become debt free. It works very well. This person says | :15:10. | :15:17. | |
her debt relief order means she can pick up her life the past it. - - | :15:17. | :15:27. | |
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free from past debt will stop - -. can start living again. I will feel | :15:32. | :15:42. | |
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better about myself. I hear, and a meal. I do not want at things. - - a | :15:52. | :16:01. | |
haircut. But these arrangements are not suitable for bigger debts such | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
as mortgages. This adviser says he has never been easier. He aims to | :16:06. | :16:16. | |
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keep people out of bankruptcy. typical client will have �30,000 or | :16:17. | :16:23. | |
�40,000 of debt. We will look at the income and the expenditure. We will | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
look to see if they have something available to offer to creditors, | :16:28. | :16:37. | |
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should it be �200 per month. They pay at over five years. That is used | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
in full and final settlement of their debt. I have come to meet one | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
person who says he found life like this and tolerable. - - | :16:45. | :16:55. | |
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intolerable. He was advised to take the IVA route. He wants to remain | :16:59. | :17:06. | |
anonymous. It sounded good at the time. After I year it was very | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
difficult to maintain the payments every month with the constant Big | :17:10. | :17:18. | |
Brother approach. Some of the questions went down to what you | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
spent on your lunch on a daily basis, what it costs to capture | :17:22. | :17:30. | |
here. - - what it costs to cut your ear. What pocket money you give to | :17:30. | :17:37. | |
your children. He said the payments were so demanding that he could not | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
afford them. They fell into arrears. As a consequence he was made | :17:41. | :17:48. | |
bankrupt a few weeks ago - the thing he tried to avoid. I spent two and a | :17:48. | :17:54. | |
half years in insolvency, culminating in bankruptcy. I would | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
never want to relive those years again. I have been declared | :17:57. | :18:06. | |
bankrupt. At this minute in time I feel more comfortable with my life. | :18:06. | :18:13. | |
I can take it forward. Other than the terrible stigma of having to | :18:13. | :18:20. | |
admit you are bankrupt. To sit in front of you anonymously shows that | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
the stigma is very real. Talking about the scale of your debts is not | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
just a stigma for people like him. Our politicians have been keeping | :18:30. | :18:40. | |
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quiet about the billion pounds black hole we have discovered. | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
In the south this is the daily talk. In the north you could swear that | :18:48. | :18:58. | |
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none of this is happening. Why would I inject into the economy of | :18:59. | :19:05. | |
Northern Ireland further uncertainty and further alarm Western Mark my | :19:05. | :19:13. | |
job is to build confidence in the economy. If you destroy confidence | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
you destroy the willingness of people to spend. You destroy their | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
willingness to invest. You destroy their willingness to start new | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
businesses. You make the situation worse. I want to make the situation | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
better. How do you deal with the problem is big? Official insolvency | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
is designed to happen element of Hannah spent, but with the scale of | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
the debt now in the system some say that approach has to be put aside | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
and instead lenders should be showing what is called debt | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
forgiveness. You have to have debt forgiveness. The idea that you went | :19:49. | :19:56. | |
me money and you do no credit checks and the reason you are lending the | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
money is because the man over there bulb went if you do not, and I go | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
off, and I come back in a few years time and say I lost my job and the | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
house is worth 50% less, the notion that you expect to get paid back in | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
full is ludicrous. Sammy Wilson agrees to an extent. As our soaring | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
debt levels show ordinary people have little hope of being back what | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
they all in full. It turns out he has even told banks in Northern | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
Ireland he wants to see debt forgiveness. That is an issue that | :20:31. | :20:38. | |
they were not madly keen on as I am sure you will understand. Who steps | :20:38. | :20:48. | |
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do you forgive? - - whose debts. But it is an issue we must increasingly | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
look at. Debt forgiveness means sidestepping penalties caused by | :20:53. | :21:03. | |
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insolvency. This is something anchors refer to as our rates down. | :21:06. | :21:16. | |
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I cannot pay it. You went too much money. Let us do a deal. End of. | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
At the moment who gives debt forgiveness? We asked the big banks. | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
Each of them said they were willing to work with customers in trouble, | :21:31. | :21:38. | |
but after that information was then. One bank said it is not right down | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
any debts. Two other banks said in exceptional circumstances they do. | :21:44. | :21:50. | |
The others would not give a direct answer. We found out that those | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
other banks are doing it, but it is done quietly and behind closed | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
doors. There does appear to be a discrepancy in the way banks deal | :21:58. | :22:07. | |
with it. In some cases people are being left alone. Others who do not | :22:07. | :22:15. | |
all as much but have got a viable business are being tortured. | :22:15. | :22:23. | |
Ironically they are the ones who can test whether the storms. Without a | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
clear system for testing debt forgiveness it is all about who you | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
know. There are people who now claim they can get it for you. It seems to | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
be a sensational thing to say that banks are writing off debts. For | :22:38. | :22:44. | |
hundreds of years banks have been writing off debts. If you are in the | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
moneylending game it comes with the territory. If you are running a bank | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
you will not be advertising that that is what you are doing. So many | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
people are in difficulty in Northern Ireland that this company is doing | :22:56. | :23:02. | |
business arranging quiet get deals with Hanks. In the Dublin office he | :23:02. | :23:12. | |
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is working with our rogue trader who has now joined him cutting deals. | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
In 1995 this man was jailed for causing the spectacular collapse of | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
a bank. He is now based in the Republic and says it is time for the | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
banks to get real. At some stage banks know that these loans are | :23:28. | :23:38. | |
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never going to be repaid. The amount that was lent is just preposterous. | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
They are never going to be able to recover that sum of money. Something | :23:42. | :23:52. | |
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has to be done. But involves an element of right down. | :23:56. | :24:06. | |
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- - of write down will stop - -. These clients are getting debt | :24:07. | :24:14. | |
forgiveness and the rest are not. That is probably true. If you are | :24:14. | :24:20. | |
willing to communicate with the bank in a meaningful manner, and it has | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
to be professional, there is no point walking into a bank and asking | :24:25. | :24:33. | |
for everything. Back in the home that has caused so much trouble with | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
his lender, Gary does not have so much choice. | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
All the debt we have is because of this. All of this is a massive | :24:45. | :24:54. | |
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debts. Yes.How does that feel? love the house. It is hard. Gary | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
says he is disappointed that banks and lenders seem to have one | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
approach for some and a different one for others like him stop if I | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
had a deal like that in the next few months it would relieve so much | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
pressure. Is it right that some get these deals and some don't? It is | :25:26. | :25:32. | |
not right. They can't pick and choose who they are going to help. | :25:32. | :25:39. | |
That is not right. This stalemate people like Gary find themselves in | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
underscores the need for a system of yet forgiveness. - - debt | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
forgiveness. You need to have an overarching | :25:50. | :25:56. | |
system which speaks to the smaller people, the people who got into | :25:56. | :26:01. | |
negative equity because they were trying to do the right thing. The | :26:01. | :26:07. | |
people with 10,000, they are the economy. They make the economy work. | :26:07. | :26:13. | |
But it is exactly those all who may be in for one more shock. News last | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
week that there had been a slight increase in house prices here was | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
greeted as a sign that horrors might be starting the journey out of | :26:21. | :26:31. | |
:26:31. | :26:35. | ||
negative equity. - - that borrowers might be starting. | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
They have six years to pursue that. I suspect what they are doing is | :26:39. | :26:45. | |
waiting to see if and how the circumstances of the client will | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
improve in order that they may be a chance that they may get some of the | :26:49. | :26:56. | |
money back. This insolvency worker agrees. He says he has seen the | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
unfortunate consequence of recovery before. There will be an increase in | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
insolvencies. It will be six months after we see the recovery. That is | :27:05. | :27:15. | |
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because predators begin taking action at that stage. Hopefully not. | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
For those who have already felt the full force of insolvency, what they | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
have lost and married, they say they have gained in wisdom it is not | :27:27. | :27:34. | |
worth worrying about it. Do not worry about the stigma. You have to | :27:34. | :27:41. | |
start living again. You cannot be like me and to shut yourself away. | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
People say that he has lost his car. But once you have crossed that | :27:46. | :27:53. | |
bridge life moves on. Like so many with debt problems in Northern | :27:53. | :27:59. | |
Ireland Gary is living more in hope than expectation. I still hope to | :27:59. | :28:09. | |
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