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Death on the Border

After the Smithwick Inquiry found Garda-IRA collusion in the murders of two police officers, Stephen Dempster finds out why fears persist about other cases.


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This is a story that begins with a double murder. The victims were

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officers Harry Breen and Bob Buchanan. The highest ranking

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members of the RUC killed by the IRA and all with help from within the

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Garda. That's the shattering conclusion of the Smithwick

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Tribunal. An inquiry into collusion between the Irish police and the

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IRA. The findings were really staggering. They were shocking.

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Smithwick points to evidence of collusion in the murder of a High

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Court judge, Lord Justice Gibson. If there is an inquiry in the Gibson

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case and it comes to the same conclusion then the authorities in

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Dublin are going to have to face the fact that they have systemic problem

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not just individual cases. Years of Unionist suspicion abouts the Guards

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have been fuelled by a series of scandals. Exposing a culture of

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cover-up going back decades. It is all done with the sole intention of

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protecting the reputation of the force of the it is just the way they

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operate. Of course, the one organisation we can be sure knows

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the extent of collusion is the IRA and tonight we ask - is this the man

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who knows the truth? It is six months since the smit wick

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Report was published after an eight year investigation. It found that

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there was Garda-IRA in the 1989 murders of RUC members Harry Breen

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and Bob Buchanan. But it could not identify the officer or officers

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involved. The findings received a mixed reaction from the Guards. The

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commissioner rejected a key conclusion which suggested the force

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had a culture of hiding the truth. The police force that's described is

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not the police force that I lead and Garda Siochana at all times seeks to

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establish the truth. Dud But since then, attention has

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shifted to a series of IRA murders. Jean and Beatty Doak had suspicion

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since the day their daughter was murdered. As soon as the Smithwick

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Inquiry was finished I thought the same thing could have happened

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Tracy. Constable Tracy Doak was killed by

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the IRA in 1985, she was 21. That's her there. Yeah. Tracy followed her

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brother and father into the RUC. I don't think she thought she was

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brave. I think she just thought she was doing a job. She might have been

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scared from time to time, but she never talked much about it. Tracy

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had been part of an RUC pa tral taking over from the Garda Siochana

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to escort a Brink's-Mat van. A bomb was detonated. The plast killed

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three of Tracy's colleagues. News of her death reached her father in

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North Antrim hours later. We had a thorn hedge up the lane and I was

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cutting the hedge and I noticed the police car coming up the lane. The

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Chief Superintendent got out of the car. I knew then that something had

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happened and I said, "You're coming to tell me that Tracy has been

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killed." And the superintendent said there is no easy way of telling you.

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She was getting married and wanted to transfer out of Newry and she

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phoned me the morning she was killed and I could see that I could get her

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into Antrim Traffic Branch. And that was the last conversation we had

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with her. I could have got her out of Newry. I'm sure I could. There is

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not a day passes that I don't think about it. Less than two years after

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the murders, Mr Doak left the RUC, disillusioned with the handling of

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the case. He wondered how the IRA pinpointed the movements of the RUC

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officers. Here we are on the border between north and south. It is about

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200 yards up that road where Tracy Doak and her colleagues were killed,

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but the question is how did the IRA know the RUC were going to be here?

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Tonight, Spotlight can reveal details of a historical inquiry team

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reports into the Doak case never before made public. It says IRA

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surveillance could have predicted where this RUC patrol would be, but

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not only did the IRA seem to know the exact route the officers would

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take, witness evidence in the report indicates that they also knew the

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day the patrol would be on the road. This new information has

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strengthened the Doak's belief that a Gardai mole may have been

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involved. I just didn't believe it at the time, but as time has went

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on, I think there must have been. There is a lot of questions to be

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asked about that. Which I have no answer for. This is the old Belfast

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to Dublin road. So much of what happened here seems to belong to the

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past. So many murders shrouded in mystery. But that is something that

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has begun to change. Just two years after Tracy Doak and

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her colleagues died and on the same stretch of road, Lord Justice Gibson

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and Lady Gibson were killed. Again, it raised the question of Gardai

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leaks. The couple were killed after they left their Gardai escort. The

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judge was the most senior member of the judiciary to be killed by the

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IRA during the troubles. The Gibson case and the issue of ga

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Gardai collusion became part of the talks. Demands were met with counter

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demands from Ulster Unionist leader, David Trimble. It was clear to us

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that the Prime Minister was going to grant the requests of republican

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movement that some inyrries that they want -- inquiries they wanted

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to see would take place. We said we have got to balance the book and we

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looked around and Breen and Buchanan was an obvious case and the Gibson

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case because of the circumstances there as well.

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As a result of the deal at Western Park, retired Canadian judge, Peter

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Cory was appointed to investigate cases of collusion. The Gibson case

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was the only one not recommended for a full public inquiry. In reaching

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his decision, Judge Cory re-examined the evidence. His report retraced

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the final journey of Lord and Lady Gibson. They had taken a ferry to

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Dublin after a holiday in England. The report noted the trip had been

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booked in their own names. It was concluded the travel arrangements

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were widely known. The IRA could have learned of Judge Gibson's plans

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without a Gardai leak. At the time of the murders, the

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Garda dismissed claims of collusion. Judge Cory discovered at a later

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stage, the Garda did obtain intelligence that one their officers

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helped kill the Gibsons. He said the intelligence was supplied over ten

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years after the murders and came from a source whose reliability he

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questioned. But we now know the Cory Report was wrong because Smithwick

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discovered a mistake. Intelligence wasn't gathered over a decade after

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the murders, but just three years later. And importantly, Smithwick

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found the source of the information was very reliable. This was after he

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spoke to the handler of the source himself. Lord Trimble is calling for

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the Irish Government to review Cory's decision. It is quite clear

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now that a mistake was made and that mistake should be put right. It is

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not the figurement of unionist imagination. There is clear evidence

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that points towards collusion again. Do you think there should be an

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inquiry into the Gibson case? Ye They should have initially, but

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especially now when we've got the Smithwick report there and what's

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contained within that, there is an overwhelming case. There is an

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overriding reason for doing this and that's the Garda commissioner and

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other officers reacted poorly to the Smithwick case. They were reluctant

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to accept the conclusion that there had been collusion and if we only

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have Breen and Buchanan they could go around saying, "It was an

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isolated case." If there is an inquiry in the Gibson case and it

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comes to the same conclusion the authorities in Dublin are going to

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have to face the fact that they have a systemic problem, not just

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individual cases. there was a real worry that IRA terrorist might

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attempted to stop this establishment general... Rosemary Dixon, seen here

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at parents funeral, has never commented publicly on the murders.

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Many years it was thought the family did not want an enquiry. In a

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statement to Spotlight, breaking a 27 year silence, Rosemary has called

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for the case to be reopened. She said had never accepted the Corrie

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report and said he had mishandled the crucial evidence. She also added

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that mistakes made by Judge Cory denied their family a public enquiry

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and then no pressure was brought on those who were responsible for the

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death of her parents. The British and Irish governments told us they

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had no plans to reopen the case. Judge Cory and his team said the

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original report must speak for itself. The Smethwick inquiry heard

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even more damning information about the Gibson case. An Assistant Chief

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Constable from Northern Ireland to the enquiry that the PSNI had

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reliable intelligence to stay that a rogue Garda colluded. John McBurney

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sap but -- sat through all but one day of the hearings. Had Judge Cory

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know in this recent intelligence, I have no doubts that he would have

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recommended an enquiry, a full-scale enquiry into the awful murder of the

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Gibsons. John McBurney believes that the evidence in the Smethwick

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inquiry, in conjunction with other evidence, adds to previous concerns

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about pollution, and not just in the Gibson and Tracey Doak case. If you

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look closely at the border incidents, you begin to have very

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troublesome thoughts about a series of other border incidents, where

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information seem to have filtered out to paramilitaries. The murder of

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the Hammer family is one such case. In 1988 the IRA stepped off a huge

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bomb on the border. Their target was another High Court judge who had

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flown into Dublin and was met by her Garda escort. The IRA admitted they

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were targeting the judge later and they knew his travel plans, but they

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made a mistake in identifying his car. Instead, they killed Robin

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Hammer, his wife Maureen and their six-year-old son, David. In the

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space of four years, 11 people had been killed in remarkably similar

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circumstances. Time and again, the IRA carried out a series of attacks

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in this area and with each murder concerns and rumours group that they

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had access to information from within the Irish police. In 1989,

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the Garda, with support from the RUC, was adamant there was no Garda

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Leake. I reject any suggestion of that kind. Categorically, the

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evidence which we have firmly confirms to us that there was no

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more. 24 years later, Judge Smethwick find that certain officers

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in Dundalk were close to the IRA and utterly from the station led

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directly to the deaths of Harry Breen and Robert Buchanan. He

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dismissed efforts that the gardai had made to investigate the

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allegations over the years and in relation to the tribunal, well he

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plays some individual guards for their honest evidence, he found that

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are part of a culture which simply sought to deny any suggestion of

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collusion. These were two very singular RUC officers. They were

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murdered in brutal circumstances by the IRA, he seemed to have an

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incredible amount of information on their movements. If you follow on

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from that, there were other killings that have taken place. If it had

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emerged that the gardai had assisted the IRA to carry out several

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different murders, the consequences of that entering the public we were

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too much -- the public domain, were too much for the forced to bear. It

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was a culture that is said continues to this day. In the opinion of Judge

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Smethwick, the Garda Siochana is of course that's praises loyalty more

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than honesty. It wasn't just around some dork that collusion surfaced.

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New evidence of a separate Garda-IRA collusion is emerging in another

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border area. The border is three miles in that direction. John lives

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outside Castle Jurgen County Tyrone. The minority Protestant community

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here is miles from the County Dunning border. In April 1991 his

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brother was killed as he sat in a car at his parent -- parents's

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home. He was 23. My father heard the shooting, heard the car speeding

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off, went out to find his son slumped over the steering wheel. His

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son was dead. He came back into the house. My mother was in hysterics.

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They tried to phone us. Somebody from the IRA phoned to say have you

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been I get to see what we have done. Until it happens to yourself, you

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don't know what it is like. Our past are present. What happened 23 years

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ago is just like it happened yesterday. That is the truth. The

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document, given to a journalist reports to show that Mr Sproule was

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a suspected member of the UVF and was wanted for questioning. I Garda

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document identifying him as a suspected Loyalist paramilitary

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ended up in the hands of the IRA. His family has always denied the

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accusation. It wasn't true, but unfortunately it is cost up, if you

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name a person, it goes all around the area. His name was blackened. It

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emerged during the Smethwick earrings that both the gardai and

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the RUC carried out investigations into how the IRA got hold of this

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document. We have a copy of the RUC investigation. It reveals that the

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gardai and Donny G would taking an entry interest and Ian Sproule in

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the weeks before he was killed. It concluded it was, beyond doubt, that

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there was I gardai leak to the IRA. In fact, we have been told some of

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the information about alleged collusion supplied to the RUC came

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from gardai who were concerned that some of their colleagues might have

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been core operating with the IRA. Form over two decades, John and

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Jennifer were totally unaware of the RUC report. The parallel gardai

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investigation at the time reported that it could not find the leak.

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Spotlight has been told that the forces to exchange reports, but

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nothing happened. It is a revelation that has shocked the family. We are

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lost for words. We can't understand that. Common sense would say that

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something is up here. The police force and justice system should be

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doing something for us. This needs to be lived into. It seems to be

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brushed under the carpet. I feel that the RUC and the 25 Micro have

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wanted to hide this because if the truth that, got the time, it was

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going to frighten people. When the Smithwick Tribunal investigated

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collusion in the murders of Harry Breen and Robert Buchanan, its focus

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turned to three guard I -- 25 Micro stationed in Dundalk. They were

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former Sergeant Finbar Hickey. Hickey was convicted in 2001 other

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signing applications for forced -- for false passports that end up in

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the hands of IRA members. He has denied knowing that the passport

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went to the IRA. The Smithwick Tribunal was satisfied he had no

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involvement in the murders of the two policeman, based on the fact he

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was not on duty that day. Smethwick accepted that this man helped the

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IRA. Colton has always categorically denied having any associations with

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the IRA. Smethwick said there was insufficient evidence to connect him

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to the murders of Harry Breen and Robert Buchanan. Both Hickey and

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Colton declined to speak to this programme. Owen Corrigan. Smethwick

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find that he had a series of inappropriate dealings with the IRA

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over a number of years. The judge said there was insufficient evidence

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that Corrigan ticked off the IRA in the murders of Harry Breen and

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Robert Buchanan. Corrigan declined to appear in this programme, citing

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ill-health. In a statement he said any evidence presented to the

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enquiry suggesting he had any inappropriate relationship with the

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IRA was rumour and gossip. Totally unsubstantiated and did not

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constitute legal evidence. Judge Smethwick did not find the source of

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the collusion, but he did expose major problems in the ranks of done

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dark Gardai station. The station at Dundalk, trying to police an area

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that was almost ungovernable. He had a high concentration of Republican

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paramilitaries, organised crime was rife. Anybody standing back could

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see that police officers are vulnerable in those circumstances,

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particularly if you're dealing with an organisation like the IRA. The

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fact that there were certain individual officers heavily involved

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in corruption and wrong doing does not come as a surprise to me. The

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fact that no one took them on and tried to stop it and that this

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indiscipline continued, that does not surprise me either. It is not a

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huge problem within the force, but it has been uncertain divisions. It

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happens. In 1989, businessman John Mack on

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old team was shot dead by the IRA. He was a cross-border smuggler and a

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RUC informer. Smethwick heard that for years before his death he told

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his RUC handlers that are 24 Micro in special Branch was helping the

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IRA. He named Owen Corrigan. In a statement to Spotlight, Owen

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Corrigan rejected this entirely. He said that the police intelligence

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naming him as a link to the IRA was impossible to verify. That it was

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mere rumour and hearsay. Tom Oliver was also killed by the IRA. He was a

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farmer in County Louth. Judge Smethwick excepted witness accounts

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that Owen Corrigan had told the IRA that Oliver had been passing

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information on IRA had to do these to the gardai. It is one of the most

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controversial aspects to the report. Owen Corrigan believed it implicated

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him directly in the murder of Oliver. He rejects this entirely. He

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has been granted permission to challenge the section of the report.

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Spotlight has contacted a number of gardai who worked in Dundalk at that

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time. Privately, all of them except that there was a problem at the

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station but some are very critical of the Smithwick Report, believing

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there was not enough direct evidence to be a finding of collusion. They

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also felt that all of them have been left under a cloud of suspicion, but

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none would agree to talk on camera. Since Smethwick published his

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report, and a number of plays and scandals in the South has revealed

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allegations of corruption and cover-up in the modern-day force and

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amid a public eye cry over pleasing standards, the Commissioner and the

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Irish Justice Minister have both resign. Among the present-day

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scandals, it emerged that gardai had recordings of conversations at some

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police stations for over 30 years. These could have been of real

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importance to Judge Smethwick, but we can confirm that the gardai never

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told him about the tapes. Our wholesale review of police and

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failure is now proposed. Observers in the South said the scandals have

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still a way to go. They have claimed the head of the Minister, I gardai

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Commissioner, and independent ombudsman. There are police boards

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coming in because of that. This is still ongoing. There are still

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reports to come out on investigations launched as a result

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of the scandals. Elsewhere, there are calls for the gardai to deal

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with the claims of collusion bonds and parole. It will be important for

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the families of the bereaved, showing that a proper enquiry has

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been done and they now know more about the did beforehand is -- than

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they did beforehand. It should be welcomed by the Irish police because

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it plays their problems and we have all made the mistake of thinking

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that problems can be brushed aside, or that it is only a small case and

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not a systemic problem. That is not healthy in the long run. Of all the

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cases of alleged collusion, Spotlight understands there is only

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one being investigated. Terence McKeever was killed by the IRA in

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South Armagh in 1986 and 28 years later, the Gardai is accused of

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hindering a current investigation. The firm did work for RUC stations

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and the Garda. He was a businessman carrying out a day's work. He had no

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political ideals. Terence had friends both sides of the border,

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all religions, so it was a big shock.

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Spotlight has seen the report into the killing which reveals that the

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gun used was also use in the murders of Breen and Buchanan. It reveals

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that 16 items of forensic evidence linked to the murder and stored by

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the Garda went missing. Karen refuses to believe this was an

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accident. This is a murder case. It is not like a packet of sweets going

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missing from a shop. That shouldn't happen. If people are doing their

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job properly and not incompetent that wouldn't have happened. No

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walks in off the street and lifts those items so an inside was

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involved so it is a member of the Gardai. I feel like the Gardai

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should be investigated. In 2009, she asked the Gardai ombudsman's office

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to investigate. Five years later, she is still waiting for a report in

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its findings and in the letter to Karen the ombudsman's office reveals

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a problem. It has been a lack of co-operation. Not only from former

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Guards but in dealing with the present day force. The Garda told

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Spotlight it could not comment as the ombudsman's inquiry is ongoing.

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They haven't co-operated otherwise it wouldn't have taken five years to

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complete a report. It makes me angry. I thought the Guards upheld

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law and order and didn't obstruct the course of jus of justice and

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because Terence worked with them I thought they would respect his case.

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It is thought the ombudsman is likely to clund clund conclude soon.

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It said: John ma burny is calling for an

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inquiry into the cases of alleged collusion. It makes you think that

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when Judge Smithwick finds in March 199 a guard or guards provided the

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information to the same terrorist grouping that in 1988 who was

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providing information which led to the murder by mistake of the Hanna

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family who was providing information which led to the murder of Lord

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Justice Gibson and Lady Gibson who perhaps was assisting in the

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disposal of forensics in the murder of Terence McKeever and the

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movements of the Brink's-Mat van in 1985, all of those events could have

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been contaminated by information from a guard or guards. That leaves

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you asking the question -- do we not need to probe each and everyone of

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those incidents in an organised and structured way in order to identify

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precisely who the ka colluder or Colluders are?

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This is Sean Gerrard Hughes. He is a leading South Armagh republican.

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During the Smithwick Tribunal a former RUC Special Branch officer

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named him as the leader of an IRA unit which carried out 80 murders in

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the Armagh Louth border region. That unit has been linked to all of the

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murders in which collusion is suspected in that area. We asked him

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to speak to the programme. Through his solicitor he declined stating

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any broadcast of such allegations would be prejudicial. He has never

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been charged in connection with any of these murders and denies any

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participation in IRA activities. But Spotlight understands that Sean

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Gerrard Hughes led a three-man IRA delegation which met with the

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Smithwick Tribunal. We asked him about this allegation which was

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reported in the media while the tribunal was ongoing. He declined to

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comment. I think the IRA in South Armagh believed this could be a

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moment where they would come across as co-operating with the tribunal in

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a definitive moment in their own history. It didn't work out that way

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for them. In his report, Smithwick said parts

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of what the IRA told him about the Breen and Buchanan murders was

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accepted. He said other parts of their

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evidence did not stand up. In many ways the statement he made to

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tribunal made a mockery of the claims for ommissions and inquiries

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where the truth will be revealed about these matters. This was a

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classic case where the IRA could have shown some good faith and told

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the truth about what happened, but it went back that they had people

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within the Guards and they had to protect them. Unionist and

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nationalist politicians simply said the IRA lied. If the Smithwick

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Tribunal is a test case for the IRA to participate in some truth

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commission, it really failed abysmally because they came back to

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defending their members and covering up what happened. The IRA can't come

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out and say what it did because then we're getting into who knew what and

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when? That could be dynamite for Sinn Fein and destroy their

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leadership for once and for all if they were to tell the truth and

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that's why they never will and they never can.

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As the dust settles on the Smithwick Report, the families of the victims

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in these cases are demanding the Irish Government does not draw a

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veil over their murders. The victims group which John Sproule is a member

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of has been trying for over a year to get a meeting with the Irish

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Government without success. The Smithwick Tribunal has brought Ian

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back into the limelight and I'm glad that happened. We want to stay open

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and sort it out once and for all and whoever dealt with the Garda ka

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conclusion needs to be dealt with in the Irish State.

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We asked both the Garda commissioner and the Irish Justice Minister to

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take part in this programme, but they declined. And a spokeswoman for

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the Taoiseach said he had already met and will continue to engage with

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many victims groups. But some observers say dealing with the past

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is not a priority in the south. The Smithwick Tribunal report at this

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stage is history in the south of Ireland. It was something that was

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seen as being far away and long ago. These are still live political

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issues in Northern Irish politics specifically. I don't think we'll

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ever know those things. Maybe in 75 years there will be some archives

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that will be opened in the National Archives and we can read some

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reports of some things, but for now, we'll never know.

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Telling the full story of what happened in this border area will

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depend on truthful accounts from north and south. The most recent

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proposals for dealing with the past said the Irish State will have to

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play its role. Something John Mc Birney says is overdue. The innocent

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victims in all of this carry hurt with them every day. The hurt is

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compounded when someone says, "We need to move beyond your hurt." That

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doubles the hurt and the sense of vulnerability, and the sense of

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isolation and the sense of not being able to make any progress in what

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for many people has become almost a lifetime endeavour to get

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scratchings of information to piece together what happened their loved

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ones. People who have lost so much over these years, that's what

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they're longing for. Those details. And that acknowledgement. In the

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meantime, the victims are left wondering. You just try to show a

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brave face when you're talking to people, but in the back of your mind

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you can see Trady's face -- Tracy Tracy's face.

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Six months after the Smithwick Inquiry found Garda-IRA collusion in the murders of two police officers, Stephen Dempster finds out why fears persist about other cases and why there is a call for an inquiry into the Lord Justice Gibson killing.


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