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This programme contains scenes of Repetitive Flashing Images | 0:00:02 | 0:00:09 | |
Previously at Stormont... | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
..deadlock and political stalemate. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
If Stormont was performing effectively and efficiently, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
you could forgive a lot of its failings. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
It's not. We can't even use the powers that we've got. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
There's no momentum now. Everything is static. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
Nothing's been done. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
There's no objective. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
A stand-off over welfare reform, paramilitaries | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
and dealing with the past, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
brought the two leading parties to an effective standstill. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
But today we got a deal, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
yet another attempt to make power-sharing work. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
I know that there will be those from other political parties | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
who will say that this is a two-party agreement. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
They say that as if it's a bad thing. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
We have attempted to reflect their comments as well as our own views | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
in the agreement that has been reached. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
This agreement represents an opportunity for a new start, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:35 | |
an opportunity which we must all grasp. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
This is a good day for Northern Ireland, and it marks a fresh start | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
for Northern Ireland's devolved institutions. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
Ten weeks in the making but only a partial deal... | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
..the vexed issue of dealing with the past put on ice. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
CHEERING | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
The SDLP had spent the weekend electing a new leader, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
their youngest ever. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
No party at Stormont has taken greater pride | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
in the Good Friday Agreement and the institutions it created | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
than the SDLP. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
But neither have any of the main parties seen such a decline | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
in their share of the vote. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
Power-sharing today has got a fresh start, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
but the SDLP now fear they find themselves on the outside looking in. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
We were given 45 minutes to look at this supposed deal, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
and then we were asked to go into an executive meeting and support it. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
Tonight on Spotlight, we assess how the party | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
widely regarded as the architect of power-sharing, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
moved to the margins, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
and ask if their new young leader can reverse the trend. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
Colum Eastwood, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
32 years old and SDLP activist | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
while still a teenager. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
We've had stumbling blocks in the past and we've always got over them. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
This autumn he launched a daring bid to topple his party leader | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
and seize control. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
For his supporters it was a chance to halt over a decade of decline | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
for the party. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:34 | |
It will take time. I have that time. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
Join with me in making this party win again. Thank you. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
A fresh face, certainly, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
but he faced a formidable task to unseat Alasdair McDonnell, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
a man who time and again defied the odds and pulled victory | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
from the jaws of predicted defeat. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
McDonnell, Alasdair - | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
9,560. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
CHEERING | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
For the young challenger, momentum would be key. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
Last Wednesday morning, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
Eastwood headquarters, Londonderry. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
The leadership election was just days away and the strain was showing. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
-Hi Jennifer. -Hi, Rory. Nice to meet you. -Good to meet you. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
-How are you doing? -Rory Farrell helped run the campaign. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
So, where's Colum at the minute? | 0:04:46 | 0:04:47 | |
-Colum is next-door making phone calls. -OK. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
He's been doing that for a couple of weeks now, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
so it's going to be close. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
But he's put the work in in the last load of weeks | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
and he's made a lot of phone calls, and he's met a lot of people, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
and we've been travelling throughout the north, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
-and Colum... -Oh, he's here. -..is ready to lead that change. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
-Hello, Colum. -How are things? -Nice to meet you. How are you doing? | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
-How's the campaign going? -It's going well. -Yeah. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
So, is this the centre of operations for most of the phone calls? | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
No, this is my constituency office. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
The challenger set out to try to sell his vision | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
to the party faithful face-to-face. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
But some were refusing to meet. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
I've got more phone calls to make, lots more phone calls. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
I think we've spoken to almost everybody or we've at least tried to speak to everybody. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
We've sent literature to everybody. We've sent e-mails to everybody. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
We're just trying to ensure that the people who've said | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
they're voting for us, are going to vote for us. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
We've got a big team working with us. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
It's not just me. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
Right, so you've got the Castlewellan tonight. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
You're meeting Laura King in a couple of branches in South Down. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
It's the sharp end of politics, a plot to topple the leader. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
There's a few e-mails on there that need... | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
Eastwood spoke of his determination to run a positive campaign. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
But really it was a coup. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
The contenders said it was a chance to shake up the party, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
but some observers have been less than electrified. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
You never hear steel clashing on steel, you know, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
as ideas are argued out. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
What you hear is putty plopping on putty. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
It isn't going to damage anybody, is it? | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
But it's not going to enlighten anybody, it's not going to... | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
The SDLP arguments don't produce sparks with a chance of catching fire. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
So there'll be quite a tense party conference at the weekend, will there? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:47 | |
It'll be exciting! | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
It'll be tense for Colum and Alasdair | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
-and their respective teams. -Yeah. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
But for the wider membership, it'll be really interesting. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
There's a lot about motions and debates, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
but there's a contest here to decide the future of the party. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
You look tense. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
I look tense? Oh, sorry. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
-LAUGHTER No! -I'm totally relaxed about it all! | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
The next few days would be crucial. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
Colum Eastwood and his team, they really have been | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
on the phone the whole time. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
And I suspect that they are more tense than they may be admitting to, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
because it really is a struggle and nothing is ever certain in politics. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
The leadership election opened up a debate that had been simmering | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
within the party for years. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
Once the largest nationalist party, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
its vote has been in decline for over a decade. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
To some observers the reason is clear, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
the SDLP is having something of an identity crisis. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
The ideological identity of the SDLP is not entirely clear to me. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
There's some good, solid people in the SDLP... | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
Of course, they've got nothing distinctive to offer anybody. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
They are not Sinn Fein, they are not associated with violence, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
they are not Unionists, so what are they? What are they? | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
They're far too respectable, far too timid. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
And you know, far too uncertain of its place in Northern society. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
And there's more bad news. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
A leaked internal report recently predicted even more losses | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
in the next Assembly election. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
The image persists of an ageing rock band with | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
their best work behind them. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
-BONO: -We want them to join together... | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
..with us... | 0:09:03 | 0:09:04 | |
-..on this stage! -CROWD ROARS | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
The party enjoyed a starring role in helping to bring all sides to | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
a power-sharing arrangement, the Good Friday Agreement of 1998. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
CROWD ROARS | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Ulster Unionist party leader David Trimble and the SDLP's John Hume | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
were celebrated for delivering power-sharing. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
But it was all downhill from there. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
The SDLP are at a very low ebb. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
They have lost since 1998 roughly about 90,000 votes. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
Roughly a third of that has gone to Sinn Fein, and the rest, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
from what we can see from the data, are just staying at home. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
So apathy is really the SDLP's biggest problem at the moment. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
Sinn Fein has since overtaken the SDLP. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
A failure to attract a younger vote just one of the reasons for decline. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
I think once the Good Friday Agreement was agreed, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
once devolution was back up and running, it was kind of seen as job done. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
That was it. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:13 | |
But the SDLP has hit a problem some say is affecting | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
all parties at Stormont. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
Having achieved power-sharing, what next? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
Central to the party's woes, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
the criticism that the party still labours under the shadow | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
of the generation of party leaders who built peace. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
I had this taken the first election. That was 1969. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
We were married in 1960. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
(55 years ago!) | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
'John Hume, who is well known in the houses that he visits. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
'He has, in effect, become the leader of the civil rights campaign in Derry.' | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
Pat canvassed on the streets with her husband. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
The man who became leader, Nobel Laureate | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
and driving force of the SDLP, John Hume. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
I hope the committee, as a body, has among its membership, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
people of every political persuasion. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
The chairman of... | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
'He stepped down as leader in 2001.' | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
The Liberal party have members... | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
The Labour Party have members... | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
'He still lives in Derry with Pat.' | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
The legacy he created dominates the party to this day. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
And that's when they had the big sit-down, in Laburnum Terrace. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:43 | |
Within 20 minutes or so, a group of Saracens came along | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
and the major got out and he said, "Up!" | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
And John said, "No! I'm not moving." | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
And with that, he just turned to the Saracen and said, "water canons". | 0:11:54 | 0:11:59 | |
Hume was a member of the Catholic community, but had been | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
discriminated against and largely excluded from government. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
In 1970, he and a handful of campaigners founded the | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
Social, Democratic and Labour Party. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
But Northern Ireland was already sliding deeper into conflict. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
SCREAMING AND YELLING | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
I feel very sad when I look back and I think of the years | 0:12:39 | 0:12:46 | |
down through the '70s, for example, during the power-sharing Executive. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
Power-sharing was in place, One Man, One Vote was in place. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:57 | |
The wherewithal to gain more by nonviolence was there. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
And yet, the IRA continued violence... | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
The story could have been different. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
GUNFIRE | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
It was 24 years before anything else could happen. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
24 years of mayhem. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
GUNFIRE SHATTERING GLASS | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Almost all the social advances that have been made in the last 40 years | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
were made in the days of the civil rights movement. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
The end of gerrymandering, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
the institution of the Northern Ireland Housing Executive. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
Legislation against the religious discrimination, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
the abolition of the B-Specials, that disarming of the RUC, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
all of those things were met by the early '70s. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
None of them was achieved, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
none of them was achieved by the armed struggle of the IRA and yet, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
and yet, at the end of the day, it is the IRA | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
and its political wing which has reaped the benefit. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
# We shall overcome... # | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
Central to the SDLP's problems is the view that the party has effectively | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
lost ownership of an equality agenda, the fight for civil rights. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:10 | |
# Oh, deep in my heart... # | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
But it's a cause that has brought electoral reward | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
for its rivals in Sinn Fein. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
Sinn Fein are rewriting their past. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
And that is why they've convinced quite a lot of people that they've fought... | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
That the IRA fought for 30 years in the name of equality and it didn't. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
It fought for a united Ireland, it made a united Ireland impossible | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
for the foreseeable future. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
And it now rewrites that in order to tell a good story. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
Any political party can espouse or take late viewpoints. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
They have perhaps been more effective | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
in advancing the equality agenda | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
in a number of spheres, not just in the constitutional sphere | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
in terms of the Irish-versus-British identity | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
and constitutional issues, but also in other, what might be deemed | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
progressive, "issues", in terms of the advancing | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
the rights of the lesbian and gay community. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
Sinn Fein have had a more singular, progressive voice on that, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
whereas the SDLP have been somewhat confused. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
'Ivan Cooper, Chairman of the Derry Citizens' Action Committee, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
'handed in the petition and then led the campaigners across to the | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
'House of Commons to give MPs their views on events in Londonderry.' | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
Ivan Cooper helped found the SDLP in 1970. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
A party grandee, he looks back with regret at mistakes and missteps. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:44 | |
What do you think went wrong for the SDLP | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
in terms of the party's strengths? | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
We seem to have drifted from leadership to leadership crisis. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
At the end of the day, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
the party failed to continue attracting new membership | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
and for any political party to survive, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
it's essential that new members are attracted. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
And we simply got lazy. That was what happened, basically. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:16 | |
Right, you better watch they don't put a customer through to me. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
The DUP and Sinn Fein have moved in on the middle ground to | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
a fair extent so I mean... | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
I mean, you know, the SDLP, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
like any other political party, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
it has to carve out its ground. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
Clearly, it can't just rest on its laurels from the past. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:41 | |
-She soldiered with me 45 years ago. -I did indeed. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
It's showtime at the SDLP party conference. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
And D-Day for the Eastwood challenge. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
So, members are casting their vote for the leadership election | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
in a room just in here. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
We're only allowed to go this far. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
There is less than ten minutes to go. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
There's a lot of huddled conversations taking place around | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
the hotel and the atmosphere, as I would describe it, is quite tense. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
Colum Eastwood's supporters are optimistic that their man will win. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
We've faced huge challenges | 0:17:22 | 0:17:23 | |
and we've had a very difficult time | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
and I think young Colum Eastwood | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
is very courageous | 0:17:28 | 0:17:29 | |
because it would be much easier to stand back and, you know, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
let things drift and then take over. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
Just looking around at the conference, there's more people | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
over 40 than under, so how is the SDLP going to attract younger voters? | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
I have to say I do think there's a good mix | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
and I'm definitely not somebody that subscribes to the cult of youth. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
We just maybe need to clear some of the blockages | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
that mean that a lot of the young talent around the party | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
isn't necessarily in councils and in the assembly just yet. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
Despite the talk of being united, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
there's still an undercurrent of a family | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
that's trying its best to get on. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
I would now like to make the announcement | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
of the leader of the SDLP | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
and that is Colum Eastwood. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
We have to be honest. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:45 | |
Somewhere along the course of the road, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
our conversations have drifted. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
They've centred too much on us as a party | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
and not enough on the fate and future of the country. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
That stops here and now. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
Bridging the gap with Sinn Fein remains a key objective. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
It's a rivalry and an electoral threat to the SDLP | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
that has its origins in the 1980s. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
The ritual clanging rang through the streets of Belfast. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
Whistles and car horns were added to the clamour. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
CLANGING | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
1981 - a watershed year for both parties. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
The IRA's campaign of violence continued | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
but inside the Maze Prison, a dirty protest was coming to an end | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
as a number of Republican prisoners began a hunger strike. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
They had to play another card and, unfortunately, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
I hate saying this, it was the deaths of young men in prison... | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
..on hunger strike. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:01 | |
You had the trauma in the ground. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
Funerals. Drumbeats. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
Rosaries being said on the side of the road. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
And election campaigns... | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
..followed. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
And that became a very difficult period for us. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Over that summer, ten hunger strikers had died. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
And the outpouring of grief | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
further widened a bitter gulf between the SDLP and Sinn Fein. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
The hunger strike gave moral authority of a sort to Sinn Fein. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
Here were these people dying for what they believed in. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
They were actually dying for a united Ireland, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
they were not dying for power-sharing of Stormont. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
The SDLP, they were denounced as the stoop-down-low party and so forth. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
They were catcalled and sneered at on the streets. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
I mean I was there when that happened, regularly, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
on a regular basis. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:18 | |
THEY CHANT | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
They were martyrs at that time | 0:21:27 | 0:21:32 | |
and there was a great deal of enmity between Sinn Fein and the SDLP. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
So some of it was not terribly well handled by us | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
and it was nasty, some of that stuff. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
It was a bad mistake. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:45 | |
We demonised them... | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
instead of... | 0:21:48 | 0:21:49 | |
The public were sympathetic towards them, we demonised them. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
That was a mistake, undoubtedly. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
Sinn Fein was now an electoral force. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
It changed the game, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
prompting Irish and British governments | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
to seek new political solutions. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
I was involved at the time. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
Garret FitzGerald was very concerned | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
as Taoiseach that Sinn Fein | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
might overtake the SDLP electorally in the north | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
while the campaign of violence was continuing | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
and that they would then turn round | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
and say that the IRA campaign of violence had an electoral mandate, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
at least from the nationalist community in the north. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
Despite the electoral support for Sinn Fein | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
in the wake of the hunger strikes, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
it has only been since the Good Friday Agreement | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
that it overtook the SDLP as the largest nationalist party. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
For some, John Hume's efforts to forge a path to peace | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
came at a cost to his party. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
Do you think the SDLP were used to bring Sinn Fein | 0:23:13 | 0:23:19 | |
and the IRA in from the cold? | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
I think, undoubtedly, that happened. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
And when did it begin to dawn on some SDLP members that that was happening? | 0:23:24 | 0:23:30 | |
It dawned on us too late because the damage had already been done. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
John Hume appeared with Gerry Adams on a televised programme | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
in the United States. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
That was the moment that I knew that... | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
we were being used. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
They used John to validate their own position. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:03 | |
I think it was shabby. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
Shabby in the extreme. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
Hume remains a hero for the SDLP for his work in negotiating a peace | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
and finding agreement with unionists and republicans | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
but the opinion persists that the agreement sowed the seeds | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
of Sinn Fein's growth at the SDLP's expense. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
I get very tired of the Irish insistence | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
on having heroes and villains all the time. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
There aren't any heroes and villains in such stark terms. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
John Hume was a brave man who stood up against violence | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
and he was a very clever man | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
and he did wear himself out in trying to achieve, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
for constitutional nationalists, what he thought was right for them. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
I also believe that he really handed nationalism over to Sinn Fein | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
because he was so certain that he was cleverer than Gerry Adams. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
He thought he was leading Sinn Fein, he thought he was using them, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
he thought he was converting them and they used him. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
And that's why the SDLP was destroyed. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
Do you think that it's patronising to suggest that narrative? | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
That it was the SDLP who brought Sinn Fein | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
and the republican movement in from the cold? | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
I think it's more self-pitying than patronising | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
and part of the problem for the SDLP is | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
if they hold on to that view, it means they are crucially failing | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
to self-analyse where they have gone wrong for the past 20 years. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
They're not asking the uncomfortable questions that they need to ask | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
which is how have they lost the confidence | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
of the Northern nationalist community | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
and what do they have to do to regain it? | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
This is it, this is the agreement. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
-You have it in your hand. -I have it in my hand. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
Yes - 71.12%. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
CHEERING | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
The Good Friday Agreement is considered | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
a high point for the SDLP but how things have changed. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
17 years on, the sparkle has faded. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
The Agreement, and those that have followed it, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
have remained wedded to a system of government | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
that ensures representation from both sides of the community. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
But others believe it has merely reinforced the sectarian divide. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Did the Agreement, in its original form, not formalise sectarianism? | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
It does, it does to an extent, there's no question of it, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
but given where we were, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
you were not going to get nationalists to agree to sit | 0:26:56 | 0:27:01 | |
in a devolved administration in parliament buildings | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
unless they felt confident | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
that they had their hand on the steering wheel along with us. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
You've a unionist designation, you've a nationalist designation, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
and that was the way things were then and, unfortunately, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:18 | |
it's the way things are now. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
But we do not have a track record of success | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
to demonstrate to people that there is an alternative. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
With a deal at Stormont comes an unofficial start | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
to next year's Assembly elections. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
But for all nationalist parties, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
the timing could not be more significant. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
An election beckons in the Republic too | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
and it is Sinn Fein that will effectively be standing | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
in all Ireland elections in 2016, the anniversary of the Easter Rising. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:10 | |
There's a lesson for the SDLP today because, again, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
in terms of challenging Sinn Fein, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
it is Sinn Fein's all-Ireland stature | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
that is something that the SDLP has not been able to compete with | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
and that has continued to ensure that Sinn Fein remains | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
far in advance of the SDLP in the minds of many Northern nationalists. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
We could be just months away from the time that Sinn Fein | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
could secure a place around the cabinet table in the Dail, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
which would be a remarkable advance for, not just Sinn Fein, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
but for Northern nationalists in terms of their vision | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
of being a part of the all-Ireland country. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
How close or far away we are from a united Ireland, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
if ever, is anybody's guess. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
# We Shall Overcome... # | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
But once again, it is the relationship between nationalists | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
and the Northern state, past present and future... | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
..that will spell success or failure for not only the SDLP | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
but even Stormont itself. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
Colum Eastwood. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
For the SDLP, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
the party that worked for so long to establish power sharing, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
today's deal is a sign of just how far it has fallen. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
Thank you. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
Thank you all very, very much. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
Negotiations to resolve our political deadlock were led by the DUP | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
and Sinn Fein, the details later shared with the smaller parties, | 0:29:56 | 0:30:01 | |
the SDLP included. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
..30 and more years. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
Meanwhile, back at Stormont, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
the SDLP's former partners in government, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
the Ulster Unionist Party, have now entered opposition. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
Victims, some claim, both of the system | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
and of those who were once power-sharing | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
at Stormont's most trenchant critics, Sinn Fein and the DUP. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
They have come to dominate the structure | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
that they didn't negotiate. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
Look at the problems in health, look at the problems in education, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
look at our problems in manufacturing, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
and what are we simply doing? | 0:30:46 | 0:30:47 | |
We're still arguing the toss from 1998 | 0:30:47 | 0:30:53 | |
instead of focusing on those issues. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
Not so say the DUP and Sinn Fein. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
They say today's deal is literally a fresh start. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
Tonight, the SDLP has told Spotlight | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
they are now considering whether they can support today's deal | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
but say, on first reading, it's very unlikely. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
All other parties have also expressed concerns. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
The question remains for the SDLP and power-sharing - | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
what next? | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 |