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Here: Why do pupils in our county schools | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
attract so much less funding than students in our big cities? | :01:21. | :01:31. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2168 seconds | :01:31. | :37:39. | |
And our MPs debate whether to Hello, I'm at John Hess, and our | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
guests in the East Midlands are Vernon Coaker, the Labour MP for | :37:42. | :37:48. | |
Gedling, and the Conservative MP for Loughborough, Nicky Morgan. Why | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
is there such a gap between funding for county schools between City's | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
cause? A Leicestershire council ahead to Whitehall to persuade his | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
government colleagues to change the system. And in the Commons, East | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
Midlands MPs on whether helping a loved one to die should be | :38:04. | :38:09. | |
effectively decriminalised. First, a new approach to revenue | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
raising by one of our councils. Charnwood Borough Council in | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
Leicestershire hopes to raise �100,000 a year by selling off | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
space on its museums, leisure centres for advertising. In an era | :38:21. | :38:28. | |
of cuts, is this a partial solution? Vernon Coaker, is it? | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
All councils are wrestling with the cuts, so they are looking at how to | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
save money. They are looking at how to deal with the cuts. A council | :38:36. | :38:42. | |
like John would are looking at a �2.5 million reduction, so they are | :38:42. | :38:49. | |
looking at how to raise money. -- Charnwood. But it must be | :38:49. | :38:55. | |
appropriate and both -- apply to a standard of practice will stop | :38:55. | :39:03. | |
Nicky Morgan, what d'you think? It is a brilliant idea. It will | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
give this this is an opportunity to talk about themselves, and we want | :39:07. | :39:12. | |
people to be advertising and telling them what is going on. But | :39:12. | :39:18. | |
it means tax can be kept a low, it can only be a good thing. | :39:18. | :39:24. | |
�100,000 is a big ask? Yes, you could not only bring | :39:24. | :39:30. | |
businesses in, bring up health authorities in, bring a leisure | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
facilities into the council so that everything is provided over one | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
roof. There are money-saving objectives. | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
Where should it stop? I was told of a bankrupt town in Japan were the | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
pick -- where the town is offering companies the chance to buy the | :39:45. | :39:50. | |
name of the town. We could have a situation where the could have | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
Bootsville or ExperianTown. You could have alcohol advertised | :39:55. | :40:00. | |
outside schools. There is an opportunity here, but as I said in | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
the introduction, what they said is that it has to conform to a code of | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
practice and be appropriate. Nicky Morgan, where would you draw | :40:08. | :40:16. | |
the line? Is there a conflict of interest? | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
Yes, we do not want a situation where we have a town brought you | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
buy a company, but any organisation will be looking at it assets and | :40:24. | :40:28. | |
looking at how they can make these work. This is good news for | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
taxpayers and businesses, a sensible move by the council. | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
So we will not have counsellors excepting the sponsorship like | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
footballers? No, there is a line, you're | :40:40. | :40:46. | |
absolutely right. On a more serious note, this week, | :40:46. | :40:56. | |
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the Director of Public Prosecutions decided on a -- made a decision on | :40:58. | :41:04. | |
the bringing the law on assisted suicide to Parliament. | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
Suicide it was decriminalised, but it is an offence to a -- assisted | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
suicide. It is a highly unusual events. I cannot myself think of a | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
another example of whether it is a crime to assist someone into is a | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
thing which is not a crime. But giving that assisting someone is an | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
area potentially open to a good deal of abuse, it was thought right | :41:27. | :41:33. | |
to make it a criminal offence. We are joined in our Leeds studio | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
by Professor Ray Tallis, a chair of Healthcare Professionals for | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
Assisted Dying. Thank you for joining us. Can I clarify that you | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
must be delighted that the House of Commons discussed and debated this | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
issue after such a wild? Absolutely. It is 50 years since | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
there has been such a substantial debate in the House of Commons, and | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
I think the unanimous support of the MPs for the guidelines was very | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
encouraging indeed. What is your own experience dealing | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
with families who have found themselves in this situation? | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
I have always kept within the law and never been involved in assisted | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
dying, but in my 37 years as a doctor, there are many cases when I | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
thought it was a monstrous cruelty that patience who are mentally | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
competent, who had symptoms that were not alleviated and were dying | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
could not be helped to die. I thought it was craw, although I had | :42:29. | :42:38. | |
to obey the law. -- thought it was crawl. | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
Should we prosecute someone for helping someone to die? | :42:42. | :42:47. | |
No, we should allow the law to take into account the specific | :42:47. | :42:53. | |
circumstances of a case. People should only be prosecuted where | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
there is a malicious Villa -- militias element. My constituents | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
were concerned about what could happen if someone decided to help | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
someone to commit suicide for the wrong reason. | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
It is a reason that has crossed your desk? | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
30 people have written to me, and it is a good subject to be debated. | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
Many people are worried about legalisation, but a sun did support | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
going further and wanted better guidelines. Most supported these | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
guidelines. I think that is absolutely right, | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
what the professor said. This is a hugely sensitive and emotive | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
subject for people, they will be lots of people watching who have | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
been in difficult situations, and I think what everybody wants is to | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
get away situation when you do not have people prosecuted, and that is | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
what the guidelines say. Where do you distinguish between | :43:48. | :43:55. | |
assisting suicide and encouraging It is a situation where you do not | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
want to prolong life unnecessarily. Allowing people to die be dignity | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
is where the are trying to get to. Sometimes, the professionalism of | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
the doctors in consultation with the family and other loved ones | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
often leads to a situation where life is not unnecessarily prolonged, | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
life is not a -- life is not all four at the end, and with proper | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
care, you can actually arrive at a situation where loved ones can die | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
with the dignity that we would all want for our own loved ones. | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
Professor, what protection would you like to see for health care | :44:29. | :44:34. | |
professionals? What should doctors At the moment, the situation is | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
very unsatisfactory. One of the ironies of the guidelines is that | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
any professional involvement will increase the chance of prosecution. | :44:43. | :44:49. | |
It means that assisted dying is left as it were, to amateurs, and | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
people have to take the burden of responsibility for assisting their | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
loved ones to die. It must be appropriate that the professional | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
should be involved, that they should not abandon the patient at | :44:58. | :45:04. | |
this moment at -- of greater lead and leads the patients get on with | :45:04. | :45:10. | |
it. -- of greater need. We need a law that will make assisted dying | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
decriminalised under certain circumstances. | :45:15. | :45:22. | |
Let me put that to Nicky Morgan. I think the professor is wrong. One | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
of the things that he mentioned his palliative care. That is where | :45:25. | :45:33. | |
professionals are most involved. We have wonderful hospices, and this | :45:33. | :45:38. | |
is where we can help people to die and have a good death, and we do | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
not talk about it enough in this country. I had a daughter write to | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
me about this debate, and she's dead that because of her | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
Hippocratic owed to -- Hippocratic oath to keep people alive, and I | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
think she would be failing if she did not, and help people to end | :45:55. | :46:02. | |
their lives. I think it is difficult to have am | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
absolute law with respect to all of this, and I think the guidelines | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
put forward were that it is virtually impossible in many | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
situations for somebody to be prosecuted for allowing somebody to | :46:13. | :46:19. | |
died with dignity, and I think in that situation, that if you allow | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
commonsense and professionalism of the health professionals, but with | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
the family and be loved ones, what we are seeing is people being | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
allowed to die with that dignity that we all want. | :46:30. | :46:35. | |
Let's go back to Leeds. You have heard from our two and lawmakers | :46:35. | :46:40. | |
here. What do you think? A I am very disappointed. Many | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
patients have the best palliative care, and I have worked with a very | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
good ones, and they do not get the alleviation of their symptoms. Most | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
care specialist except this. Referring to the Hippocratic Oath, | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
we do not take that, we take the declaration of Geneva or the | :46:59. | :47:07. | |
decoration of Helsinki, which does not prohibit assisted dying. One | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
cannot walk away from people who are unable to get any kind of | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
relief in the last few days of their life. | :47:15. | :47:21. | |
We have to leave it there. Now to an issue that can pitch | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
County against City, and we are not talking about football. The | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
government is try to tackle the issue of alleged unfairness in | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
school funding. There is a disparity did a -- between city and | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
county spending throughout the region, especially in | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
Leicestershire. Building for the future. It comes | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
at a cost, and a complicated one at that. | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
We want to make it simpler, so people can see what the criteria | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
are and why their area receives the money that it does. | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
At the moment, the government allocates school funding to local | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
authorities per pupil, through a series of separate ring-fenced | :48:02. | :48:07. | |
grants. This means a people in one area can get a dramatically | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
different amounts of funding to his student elsewhere. Herein the East | :48:12. | :48:18. | |
Midlands, it is our cities that are far better funded than our counties. | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
This side of this sense we are in the county, on the other side it is | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
a city. If we could lift our school and place it on this side of the | :48:26. | :48:34. | |
fence, it would have a dramatic effect on funding, a difference of | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
�240,000 per annum. I do not begrudge the scores on this side of | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
the Fens any of that, however, think of the things we could do | :48:42. | :48:49. | |
with that money. The Leicestershire councillor has | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
taken the campaign for fairer funding to Whitehall. | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
We are campaigning for an increase in to the money that comes into | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
local authorities. Leicestershire County Council finds it self- at | :49:00. | :49:05. | |
the bottom of the funding pile. We argue with the difference between | :49:05. | :49:10. | |
us and other councils. Every pupil in the city of | :49:10. | :49:16. | |
Nottingham get almost �1,000 more spent on him or her than their | :49:16. | :49:21. | |
equivalent in Nottinghamshire. Derby gets just over �280 per pupil | :49:21. | :49:28. | |
more than Derbyshire, and the City of Leicester get almost �900 more | :49:28. | :49:35. | |
per pupil than Leicestershire. An advantage the City defence fiercely. | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
My worry is that if Leicestershire were to receive more money from | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
this government, they would be taking that money from authorities | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
like Leicester City. That is simply not acceptable. The money should | :49:47. | :49:54. | |
follow need. We have 18 of the -- we are a deprived city, the county | :49:54. | :50:00. | |
however is not. This week, the government announced | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
his latest debt in the reform of school funding. It is committed to | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
simplify the system local authorities used to distribute | :50:08. | :50:14. | |
money to schools, but a delayed any move to change the formula used to | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
to calculate how much money local priorities get from Westminster to | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
their pupils. How can it be fair for one school | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
one side of the road to have primary aged children who are �900 | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
a year less well off than at the school on the opposite side of the | :50:31. | :50:38. | |
road that belongs to the city? The system needs change. | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
The government admits the current system is inconsistent and unfair. | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
But, at a time of constrained finances, says it needs to make | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
gradual progress towards reform. Critics argue these children could | :50:51. | :50:57. | |
be picking up their GCSE results before there is any sense unsure | :50:57. | :51:02. | |
change in the calculations for school funding. | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
Nicky Morgan, has the government bottled out on this issue? They | :51:06. | :51:11. | |
have shoved it into the political long grass, haven't they? | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
This is the first government for 20 years to acknowledge the problem, | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
and we are on the right track to realise that this is something that | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
is not sustainable off-air for pupils in my constituency, or any | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
of the county constituencies to be receiving so much less than people | :51:26. | :51:33. | |
in the city. The defeat faculties is because of the economic climate. | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
-- the difficulty is because of the economic climate. We would simply | :51:37. | :51:43. | |
bring everyone up to the same level. But we are not in that climate. | :51:43. | :51:48. | |
Let me put that to Vernon Coaker. It is a very long track that the | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
government is on, and they are wrestling with the problem that | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
different schools get a different amounts of money at different areas | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
get different about, but what before Miller tries to do is | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
reflect the different needs of pupils within those schools, how | :52:02. | :52:07. | |
many free school meals, English as a second language. It is easy to | :52:07. | :52:14. | |
say it is outrageous, when you actually tried to deal with debt... | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
Not all city schools are the same. Not all the county's schools are in | :52:19. | :52:25. | |
leafy, suburbia with rich kids. Is it fair to allocate funding on such | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
a sweeping generalisations? That is why the government are | :52:29. | :52:34. | |
looking to simplify the formula, we started to look at that as well, | :52:34. | :52:38. | |
because we recognised that there are pockets of deprivation within a | :52:38. | :52:44. | |
shire areas, and their role wealthy areas in the City. At the end of | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
the day, you still have a problem about how you actually deal with | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
some of these additional needs that some schools have over and above | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
others, and that pits city against counties sometimes. | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
Nicky Morgan, you must be the first two except that CDs course have | :52:59. | :53:03. | |
higher pressures and costs. They will have more children that do not | :53:03. | :53:08. | |
speak English, pupil turnover tends to be much higher, and they roar | :53:08. | :53:13. | |
more kids from deprived backgrounds. -- city schools. Should they get | :53:13. | :53:18. | |
more money from this cause? That is why we have introduced the | :53:18. | :53:23. | |
people premium, and that is what that money is there for. What we | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
are talking is a base funding which every pupil is entitled to receive | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
a. Teachers are paid the same across the country, books and | :53:31. | :53:36. | |
equipment costs of the same. It may be that in some city areas there | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
has been more investment than in the county. Schools are responsible | :53:40. | :53:45. | |
for the budget and have to find that money. I would disagree, and I | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
would say that we do have deprivation in my constituency, I | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
do not know Gedling well enough, but one of my head teachers came to | :53:53. | :53:59. | |
me in an area that you would think looked fine, and she says they had | :53:59. | :54:04. | |
real issues with pupils not ready to come to school. | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
Why does Michael Gove leave it to the next Parliament? | :54:08. | :54:14. | |
He said that there are 37 factors that are taking to a cat with | :54:14. | :54:22. | |
funding, we will reduce that to 10. -- taking into account. | :54:22. | :54:28. | |
You sign to this letter, didn't you? Someone is going to lose out. | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
The people premium argument, the Institute of Fiscal Studies says | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
large numbers of schools will lose out on that additional funding, so | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
even that does not work. The government have picked this into | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
the long grass, because when they have tried to deal with it, there | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
are real problems, added comes down to how you ensure that schools with | :54:49. | :54:54. | |
additional needs get the support they need. One way is that cities | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
generally have more need than county areas. | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
Is there an eerie at a -- an issue of deception, in that the Tories do | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
not want to be seen to be taking us -- finding a way from inner-city | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
schools to offer it to their Tory shires? | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
That is something people are conscious of, but we have got to | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
get over that. We have got to deal with the fact that there are a lot | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
of the shire counties schools that have been underfunded for a long | :55:22. | :55:28. | |
time. The gap has just been getting worse. We are not going to get | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
their act if we do not tackle these difficult problems. | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
As a former schools minister, Vernon Coaker, what should the | :55:36. | :55:41. | |
government be doing? The amount of money going into | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
education is being cut over the next four years. That puts pressure | :55:45. | :55:51. | |
on schools. What we are seeing in my constituency is things like | :55:51. | :55:56. | |
special-needs struggling as well. We will return to this issue. Thank | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
you for joining us this lunchtime. It is time to round up some of the | :56:00. | :56:10. | |
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other political stories in the East Last week's Sunday Politics guest, | :56:12. | :56:18. | |
John manner, but pass these on the national agenda when he asked the | :56:18. | :56:24. | |
Chancellor when he last 81. I can't remember the last time I | :56:24. | :56:30. | |
bought a pasty. That sums it up. | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
Last month we revealed local anger at Leicester City Council's | :56:35. | :56:40. | |
decision to put free travellers' site in one corner of the city. Now | :56:40. | :56:43. | |
the mayor has agreed to put up a more extensive list of sites. | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
Another pressure group we featured has been tried to stop not injured | :56:49. | :56:51. | |
-- Nottinghamshire County Council Private Eye's a care home and it | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
specialised dementia unit. The sale went home -- went through on Monday, | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
but will it stay open beyond its obligatory three years? There is no | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
let up for the leader of Leicestershire County Council over | :57:03. | :57:07. | |
his expenses. Opposition councillors have called a vote of | :57:07. | :57:17. | |
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no confidence after Easter. There was not time to ask Nicky or | :57:19. | :57:22. |