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With me are a trio of top political commentators. All three will be | :00:20. | :01:45. | |
tweeting their thoughts, or in some cases just their thought through the | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
show, using the hashtag #bbcsp. cases just their thought through the | :01:48. | :01:55. | |
Conservative Party conference gets afternoon. We have already been | :01:55. | :02:02. | |
bombarded with a series of policy announcements, a tax break for | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
married couples of up to £200 per year, more money on life extending | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
cancer treatments and, last night, the news that the second stage of | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
the Chancellor's Help To Buy scheme brought forward from the start of | :02:13. | :02:19. | |
next year. David Cameron says it is all about helping hard-working | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
people. Right now, you can't get, 95% mortgage. That means a typical | :02:24. | :02:33. | |
family with two people earning 20,000, 25,000, they are being | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
asked, to buy an average house, 20,000, 25,000, they are being | :02:34. | :02:43. | |
mortgage payment, but they can't get the mortgage. They can't buy their | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
flat or house. As Prime Minister, I'm not going to stand back while | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
people's aspirations to get on the housing ladder, to own their own | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
flat or home, is being trashed. housing ladder, to own their own | :02:52. | :02:58. | |
is why we need to act. A predictable attempt by party leadership to | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
kick-start the conference with eye-catching policies. The polls | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
show a big bounce for Ed Miliband and the Labour Party, with decent | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
numbers for UKIP. What do party councillors as they travel to their | :03:10. | :03:26. | |
For the Conservatives this weekend, conference, and as a scene setter we | :03:26. | :03:36. | |
asked ComRes to survey councillors are Finland and Wales. Councillors | :03:36. | :03:43. | |
asked ComRes to survey councillors like Tom, packing for conference at | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
home in Wellingborough. Immigration is an issue for him. He thinks there | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
are pros and cons. But we found is an issue for him. He thinks there | :03:48. | :03:55. | |
immigration has had a negative reflects into this wider issue of | :03:55. | :04:02. | |
our relationship with Europe. People possible influx of ovarian and | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
Romania emigrants. Obviously the issue of Europe is very big. -- | :04:08. | :04:18. | |
Ukrainian. His colleagues in Corby are worried about the rise of the UK | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
Independence Party. In our survey, nearly a quarter of Conservative | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
councillors thought that their party should make a pact with UKIP. The | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
concern is, yes, will they take If that happens, maybe we don't | :04:31. | :04:40. | |
concern is, yes, will they take back in. Maybe a partnership is | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
concern is, yes, will they take way to go. It depends what they | :04:43. | :04:50. | |
concern is, yes, will they take talking about them. A pact? Depends | :04:50. | :04:50. | |
what they say, anything is possible. What would you like to see? Ideally, | :04:50. | :05:06. | |
from my point of view, a national pact. David Cameron arrived in | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
Manchester last night. Around the same time as these activists from | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
London. I broke the news to them that in our survey just 26% of Tory | :05:14. | :05:23. | |
councillors think that the prime ministers in touch with the lives of | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
ordinary people. The same at all Conservatives, you don't judge | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
people by their background. It's not where they come from, it is where | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
they are going to. It is not a where they come from, it is where | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
problem that he is a bit on the where they come from, it is where | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
side? Cull you might describe him like that, I would not use those | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
side? Cull you might describe him words. Explain your T-shirt, it | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
side? Cull you might describe him phrase that a senior Cameron person | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
is alleged to have used about you? It is a humorous way of letting | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
is alleged to have used about you? party now that we are here to say | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
important. We are not going away any time soon. A sentiment you will | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
important. We are not going away any a lot at this conference, because | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
just 22% of councillors in our survey said that David Cameron was | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
any good at listening to the people that work hard for his party. That | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
was Adam. Joining me now from the Conservative Party conference in | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
William Hague. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. Good morning. Over one in | :06:24. | :06:33. | |
five Tory councillors in our survey support a pact with UKIP at the | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
five Tory councillors in our survey election. Why do you think that | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
five Tory councillors in our survey If it is one in five, it means a | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
large majority did not want a pact with UKIP at the next election. | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
large majority did not want a pact have noticed that UKIP, in local | :06:46. | :06:47. | |
elections, has been receiving votes, some of which would otherwise have | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
been for the Conservatives. I think we have to make sure that people | :06:50. | :06:58. | |
election they are choosing between a Conservative and Labour Government, | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
as David Cameron as Prime Minister or Ed Miliband. If people want to | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
get a referendum on Europe, the or Ed Miliband. If people want to | :07:01. | :07:07. | |
Cameron as Prime Minister. I think a Cameron as Prime Minister. I think a | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
general election is different from the local government perspective. It | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
is pretty unusual, some might say unprecedented, for a large chunk of | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
one of the big parties in this country to want to go into coalition | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
one of the big parties in this with a smaller party before an | :07:23. | :07:31. | |
happened? Looking at your survey, three times as many didn't want | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
happened? Looking at your survey, with statistics, you can highlight | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
it whichever way around you want to. The point is, we are not having | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
pacts with other parties, electoral pacts with other parties. You rule | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
it out? That is not going to happen. What we do want is to have a pact | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
it out? That is not going to happen. with the voters, if you like, as we | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
have often done in the Conservative Party. We have won over the voters | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
of other parties to support our policies and Prime Minister. That is | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
default, they would produce a Labour important with those people that | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
default, they would produce a Labour government in the exact opposite of | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
many of the things they intend, government in the exact opposite of | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
Conservative and decide to vote government in the exact opposite of | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
UKIP instead in a general election. That could help to produce a Labour | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
government. The chairman of the That could help to produce a Labour | :08:18. | :08:25. | |
committee, the elected voice of Conservative backbenchers, he says | :08:25. | :08:31. | |
your party should spell out what had once back from the European Union | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
before next year's European actions. Do you agree? We will be spelling | :08:35. | :08:43. | |
out some things in the European elections. I will be talking about | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
this later on today. For instance, European treaties the concept of | :08:48. | :08:58. | |
ever closer union, a concept that in believed in. We would like that | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
ever closer union, a concept that in consequences that would flow from | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
that. We will be setting out the examples and principles of the | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
changes we want to say. Certainly over the next year, not only before | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
the European actions but the general election, if you are saying, let | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
have the exact list of anything election, if you are saying, let | :09:16. | :09:22. | |
negotiate, that is difficult because there will be a negotiation of a new | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
deal in Europe if David Cameron there will be a negotiation of a new | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
election. To some extent, that has to be negotiated. Only 11% of your | :09:29. | :09:37. | |
own councillors feel that people in their area think that George Osborne | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
is in touch with ordinary people. is not for me to explain why people | :09:40. | :09:50. | |
say what they say in surveys. The important thing is what we are | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
delivering for the country. What George Osborne is delivering his | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
renewed economic growth. 1.4 million new jobs in the private sector, | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
renewed economic growth. 1.4 million for hard-working people, by reducing | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
the tax for 25 million of them. for hard-working people, by reducing | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
Help To Buy scheme that we are highlighting today. That is what | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
really matters to people, actually, I think you will find. Let's talk | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
about helping ordinary people. Ed Miliband is guilty freeze energy | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
prices. What are you going to do about energy prices, we already | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
asked energy companies to put people on their lowest tariffs. This has | :10:29. | :10:42. | |
not been amended. -- implemented. Why not? This is going to happen | :10:42. | :10:48. | |
within this government. It is going to happen within this government | :10:48. | :10:55. | |
when the... Why hasn't it happened now? People are suffering now from | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
rising energy prices. It has not happened because my colleagues have | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
been implimenting it. In the case of Ed Miliband's policy, if you are | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
asking why it has not yet happened under this Government, it didn't | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
even survive a few our's scrutiny in opposition. In a few hours he had to | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
concede that if there was a big change in oil prices then the policy | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
would not work. The trouble is, change in oil prices then the policy | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
would dry up some of the investment in the energy industry. I don't | :11:23. | :11:30. | |
think it is a credible promise. in the energy industry. I don't | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
tax bills doubling in the next a party that presided over council | :11:33. | :11:40. | |
tax bills doubling in the next government, -- last government, | :11:40. | :11:46. | |
tax bills doubling in the next not very credible. Why is George | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
Osborne going against the European Well, we don't want to see the | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
European treaties used in a way Well, we don't want to see the | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
they should not be used. It's not necessarily over this particular | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
issue. It is over the power that the European Union has over our lives | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
and over this country. Can the bankers look after themselves? We | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
should be able to decide those things in our own country. We have | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
never signed up to such matters things in our own country. We have | :12:12. | :12:18. | |
European institutions. If you allow one thing that wasn't meant to be | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
decided to be decided, you find one thing that wasn't meant to be | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
there are another ten or 20 things that affect many other people. We | :12:25. | :12:26. | |
are very vigilant about what we that affect many other people. We | :12:26. | :12:32. | |
competence creep, with the European Union taking more powers than it was | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
meant to have. That is one of the referendum, do want a new deal in | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
Europe. That is what we intend to institution, ICAP, fined for fixing | :12:41. | :12:51. | |
the LIBOR rates. The founder of institution, ICAP, fined for fixing | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
company has donated £5 million to your party. Shouldn't you give it | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
back? Aren't you ashamed to accept that money? He has donated his own | :13:00. | :13:08. | |
Which he made out of ICAP. As people have to other parties, people are | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
free to do that and they should have to other parties, people are | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
free to do that. I am not aware have to other parties, people are | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
any plan for that to be repaid. Because you can't afford to. Let's | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
recap this. We have seen Tory MPs parrot propaganda lines from the | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
energy companies this week. We have the Chancellor going to court to | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
fight for unlimited banker bonuses. We have a top Tory donor the centre | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
fight for unlimited banker bonuses. of yet another city scandal. Ed | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
Miliband is right when he says you lot are on the side of the vested | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
interests so the rich and powerful, isn't he? Well, again, look at the | :13:39. | :13:47. | |
record. I just did! 1.4 million extra jobs in the private sector, 25 | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
million people with a tax cut, a Help To Buy scheme which is going to | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
help so many people, particularly young people have the house that | :13:56. | :14:03. | |
future. Council tax bills held down, welfare reform so that it pays to | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
work. Actually, this is a government achieving things for hard-working | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
While President Laugharne he's talking about peace, the Iranians | :14:11. | :14:32. | |
weapons programme. -- is talking. It would be hard to say from week | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
to week whether it is speeding up continuing with it. That is why | :14:37. | :14:45. | |
to week whether it is speeding up say the new message - the new words | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
- from Iranian leadership are very welcome. I said that to the Foreign | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
Minister in New York over the last few days but it is the actions that | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
will count. At the moment, the nuclear programme continues. We | :14:57. | :15:03. | |
negotiations on that and that will be a very important test as to | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
whether actions will match the words. When will we know it if we | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
are being strung along? He has strung as a long in the past as | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
are being strung along? He has nuclear weapons negotiator. When | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
will we know if he is not just doing that again? Over the next | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
will we know if he is not just weeks, it will be a very important | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
time. He has said there should be more transparency over the Iranian | :15:27. | :15:34. | |
transparent in many regards at the moment. The atomic agency is asking | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
for information that is not being given. One test is, in the coming | :15:40. | :15:47. | |
information? The information that the international of authority is | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
asking for about their nuclear programme. We will be able to form | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
a view of this in the coming weeks or months. It is important we test | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
their new willingness to talk to us important to find out whether they | :16:01. | :16:09. | |
asking, is the nuclear programme really continuing? Are they really | :16:09. | :16:15. | |
negotiations and offer something Speaking of being strung along, | :16:15. | :16:22. | |
what sanctions would President Assad face if, in six months - the | :16:22. | :16:31. | |
Year, Syria still has a chemical weapons arsenal. In the resolution | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
we voted through the UN Security Council on Friday night, is the | :16:36. | :16:44. | |
Council will take measures under Chapter seven of the UN Charter | :16:44. | :16:50. | |
Council will take measures under the event of non-compliance. Does | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
that allow full force? I did not catch that. Does that allow for | :16:53. | :17:00. | |
Security Council resolution about Iraq, which most people concluded | :17:00. | :17:05. | |
in not allow full force. It does not specify that. It talks about | :17:05. | :17:13. | |
terms seven of the charter. That is a message of the whole UN Security | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
Council that there will be measures - there will be consequences - if | :17:18. | :17:24. | |
the Assad regime does not comply. has a big commitment. I have spent | :17:24. | :17:33. | |
counterpart over the last week. Russia has said, this is something | :17:33. | :17:38. | |
you will have to do. We will work with Russia and others very closely | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
to check there is compliance will this resolution. Given the progress | :17:43. | :17:49. | |
that has been made, you must be very glad that the British House of | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
Commons stopped your rash to force against Syria. -- rush. The reason | :17:53. | :18:08. | |
credible threat of military action. has happened is because there was a | :18:08. | :18:14. | |
credible threat of military action. President Obama did not get it | :18:14. | :18:14. | |
through Congress. They have not President Obama did not get it | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
the vote in Congress. There is no other explanation as to why the | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
policy changed. It was because there was a debate about military | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
action in the West that the policy changed on theirs. That is why it | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
changed. We were not in a rush for military action. The boat put to | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
the House of Commons was to have inspectors reported. It was before | :18:40. | :18:50. | |
Russian and Syrian policy changed. We need to make sure that works | :18:50. | :19:02. | |
Russian and Syrian policy changed. practice. Thank you. What do you | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
make about this rushing forward with the help to buy scheme which | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
was meant to start next year - coming forward mad to the next | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
couple of weeks? I think it is a Government having an interest in | :19:14. | :19:28. | |
mortgage lending. -- there is a fundamental problem. It should have | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
been set much lower to exclude London and the South East where | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
houses are dramatically overvalued. Many economists think freezing | :19:38. | :19:44. | |
energy prices is a terrible policy. These policies can be popular. If | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
you have no chance of getting a deposit, the Government will make | :19:49. | :19:59. | |
Osborne tried every single lever. It looked like he could not do | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
anything to get the economy moving. It is moving. They have pulled it | :20:04. | :20:11. | |
forward and there are signs it is recovering. The reason why they | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
forward and there are signs it is doing this is they want to show | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
this week at the conference there are real sort of understandable | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
issues you can explain very simply that really up going to improve | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
people's lives. The Conservatives Miliband's speech last week. The | :20:26. | :20:35. | |
nuts. Much more cautious and -- language about the energy price | :20:35. | :20:49. | |
freeze. They are nervous that Ed Miliband may be touching a nerve on | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
that one. What we will get this week, I suggest, his Tory populism | :20:54. | :21:02. | |
to counter Miliband populism. I think we will see that and it will | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
be a mistake. As long as it is think we will see that and it will | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
about The Picture, they are on relatively strong ground. When the | :21:10. | :21:18. | |
political conversation changes to more fiddly things, particularities | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
standards, things that are some more fiddly things, particularities | :21:20. | :21:26. | |
below that picture, I do not think they can win a bidding war with | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
below that picture, I do not think Labour Party. It is about borrowing | :21:31. | :21:31. | |
against a party that stands for Labour Party. It is about borrowing | :21:31. | :21:43. | |
before the Labour conference, which is unemployment, GDP growth and | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
before the Labour conference, which warming economic picture. That does | :21:48. | :21:54. | |
not pay energy bills. Does not sound that the Tories have anything | :21:54. | :22:00. | |
not pay energy bills. Does not to counter the price freeze. -- | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
not pay energy bills. Does not does not sound. They have had a | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
week to think about a great attack line and they do not add anything. | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
the credibility test. Ed Miliband said, if there were a big spike | :22:09. | :22:32. | |
the credibility test. Ed Miliband energy prices, he would not be able | :22:32. | :22:33. | |
it is about credibility. Being seen more than any burst of popularity. | :22:33. | :22:52. | |
with the election campaign, it My worry about the announcement | :22:52. | :23:01. | |
with the election campaign, it begins to lose credibility, begins | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
to seem a banana republic. It looks a lot less wise than it did last | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
week. I disagree. Every time energy bills go up and they will continue | :23:12. | :23:14. | |
to go up, it will be a reminder bills go up and they will continue | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
how much people are being hit in the pockets. People know by energy | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
prices are going up. There is a structural change in the world that | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
was not there before - China and India. These energy companies may | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
be making huge profit but, at the end of the day, what is driving | :23:33. | :23:40. | |
be making huge profit but, at the the cost of fuel is China and India. | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
Ed Miliband, great man that he is, I am not sure he can take on the | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
people Sammir on that one. How dare Labour's Conference in Brighton | :23:47. | :23:56. | |
last week. Dogged by criticism over the summer of his leadership style | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
and lack of policies, Mr Miliband tried to demonstrate his strength | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
of character with a series of bold announcements, and attempted to | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
position himself on the side of ordinary Brits. The Labour leader | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
told party members he would stand up to the strong and take on the | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
vested interests that hold back up to the strong and take on the | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
economy. In a speech in which he jokingly referred to himself as | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
economy. In a speech in which he action hero, Mr Miliband promised | :24:21. | :24:22. | |
to switch the forthcoming business action hero, Mr Miliband promised | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
tax cut from large firms to smaller businesses. He said he would force | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
big firms to train at an apprentice every time they bring in a worker | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
from outside the EU. He hinted that increasing the minimum wage would | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
be increased. He bowed to take on developers with a use it or lose it | :24:40. | :24:47. | |
threat to landowners and pledged to build 200,000 homes each year by | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
2020. He promised to freeze energy prices and reset the energy market. | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
The next Labour government will freeze gas and electricity prices | :24:57. | :25:06. | |
provoked a rash of headlines - hailing the return of red Ed macro. | :25:06. | :25:12. | |
It has also given him a spike in the polls. And Labour's Shadow | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
Ed Miliband says, our energy market is broken and does not work. In | :25:15. | :25:33. | |
what way is that market to date different from the one Labour left | :25:34. | :25:42. | |
companies that dominate the energy generate energy, and sell it on | :25:43. | :25:53. | |
companies that dominate the energy Miliband recognised when he was | :25:54. | :25:55. | |
Secretary of State and asked for more information from the company | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
Secretary of State and asked for is on hold serve costs and profits, | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
all the things we have done to mitigate against that in terms of a | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
warm front programme and everything Horsell market is too secretive | :26:05. | :26:13. | |
warm front programme and everything it is too much about such supply. - | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
- the wholesale market. We have been raising with the Government in | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
a co-operative way the argument been raising with the Government in | :26:18. | :26:25. | |
resetting the market. It has got worse in terms of speed at which | :26:25. | :26:31. | |
prices have gone up. Labour put wholesale and retail together. It | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
was the start this dates back to wholesale and retail together. It | :26:34. | :26:40. | |
was the start this dates back to privatisation. We took some reforms | :26:40. | :26:40. | |
realised it was not working and privatisation. We took some reforms | :26:40. | :26:48. | |
was broken and we need to reset privatisation. We took some reforms | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
Ed Miliband will be the first to onwards. Let's have a look at what | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
happened to energy prices under onwards. Let's have a look at what | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
Labour government. Electricity up 67%, gas up 139%. Overall prices up | :26:59. | :27:08. | |
by 48%. The market was broken and we saw prices biking as wholesale | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
prices went up. The tick action we saw prices biking as wholesale | :27:14. | :27:21. | |
the one Front programme, decent homes for social housing. -- we | :27:21. | :27:31. | |
programme. Trying to do things around social obligations needs | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
programme. Trying to do things be looked at. Gas and electricity | :27:35. | :27:43. | |
presided over but as a consequence of Labour policy. Beds have a look | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
at the breakdown of dual fuel - of Labour policy. Beds have a look | :27:46. | :27:52. | |
and electricity bill. -- let's have a look. The supply costs of getting | :27:52. | :27:59. | |
it to us and so on. The policies government - Green levies - are | :27:59. | :28:11. | |
energy bills. £112 on average bill of 1188. You have put the bill up. | :28:11. | :28:24. | |
obligations amount to £112. That helps the poorest insulate homes. | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
Overwhelmingly, looking at your wholesale costs are worth more than | :28:29. | :28:36. | |
half. What we have seen, based on figures we now have, in Eni macro, | :28:36. | :28:43. | |
a wholesale costs fell by 39% and that was not reflected in our bills. | :28:43. | :28:52. | |
Do you have plans to do anything about the £112? If you took that | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
off, you could cut bills by 10% tomorrow. Or if you were in power. | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
It is important that restimulate energy. It -- we stimulate. If we | :29:02. | :29:12. | |
do not have clean energy, we will be beholden for ever-more to fossil | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
do not have clean energy, we will fuels that are depleting. It will | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
create jobs and bring in investment will start in the last few years, | :29:20. | :29:30. | |
investment. If I could go back to whatever advance there are, looking | :29:30. | :29:37. | |
at whether the money raised through energy companies to deliver energy | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
efficiency, is that doing as well as it might? Could it be better | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
delivered by another agency? They are fair questions. We need to get | :29:46. | :29:53. | |
market. Can we make the market will competitive make sure when there is | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
downward pressure on wholesale prices, that is reflected on our | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
bills? That is the bigger picture argument. Also the freeze to help | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
As you complain about the energy prices, it was as a result of your | :30:04. | :30:17. | |
actions. Ed Miliband introduced prices, it was as a result of your | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
climate change act. He admitted prices would have to rise to pay for | :30:21. | :30:27. | |
decarbonisation. He said, we are going to minimise the costs as much | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
as possible, but it is true there is not a low-cost energy future out | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
there. It is important that we address the pressures on bills, | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
there. It is important that we also recognise that if we are going | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
to build a better future where we can have more home-grown British | :30:40. | :30:48. | |
renewables. Truth is it is about the market. I acknowledge I acknowledge | :30:48. | :30:59. | |
wholesale prices have fallen. They fell in 2009, we got a reduction in | :30:59. | :31:08. | |
bills of 5%. Which are saying that the big companies are overcharging | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
customers. We are seeing profits going up, but we haven't seen the | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
amount of investment suggested by those profits coming through. But | :31:16. | :31:24. | |
because your leader said in his speech in Brighton that Labour will | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
have a world leading commitment speech in Brighton that Labour will | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
Government to take out all carbon from energy generation by 2030. | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
Government to take out all carbon is not that far away. By 2030, no | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
more coal generation, no more gas generation, only much more expensive | :31:37. | :31:42. | |
nuclear and much more expensive without bills going up even further? | :31:42. | :31:51. | |
Hang on a second. The 2030 target to remove carbon from the electricity | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
supply, we have said we should set a target now because, actually, it | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
gives us more time to plan ahead and also allows investment to come in. | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
There is plenty of people with cash in their pockets not want to invest | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
what they are stalling because of the Government's hesitancy over | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
this. I just want a clarification here. My understanding is that your | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
commitment is to get rid of all carbon from power generation by | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
2030? From the letters city supply. Only electricity. We will still | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
2030? From the letters city supply. gas? We have always said we will | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
need gas for decades to come. So we are clear for that. But you will be | :32:27. | :32:37. | |
increasingly dependent on expensive nuclear. EDF are currently demanding | :32:37. | :32:41. | |
twice the market price to build plans in this country. Renewables | :32:41. | :32:48. | |
are two or three times the market price. Bills are going up under | :32:48. | :32:55. | |
are two or three times the market policies? On nuclear, we took a | :32:55. | :32:56. | |
decision under the Labour Government that we needed to revitalise the | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
sector, to hit targets on clean that we needed to revitalise the | :33:00. | :33:05. | |
energy and make sure it can do the heavy lifting. The Government at the | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
discussions with EDF about what heavy lifting. The Government at the | :33:08. | :33:14. | |
important, because I don't know heavy lifting. The Government at the | :33:14. | :33:16. | |
it's going to be, it is important that stands up to scrutiny in terms | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
of value for money. At the same time, I go back to market reforms. | :33:20. | :33:26. | |
difference, the jargon for nuclear, We will not just have a target for | :33:26. | :33:32. | |
difference, the jargon for nuclear, we will have it for renewables as | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
well. That is even more important, that we have a transparent market so | :33:35. | :33:36. | |
that we can have a robust target that we have a transparent market so | :33:36. | :33:42. | |
that we can have a robust target price to be judged against. Michael | :33:42. | :33:43. | |
Gove recognised in question time they used the term cosy cartel. | :33:44. | :33:56. | |
Gove recognised in question time Cameron saying something needs to be | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
done. I'm surprised David Cameron doesn't acknowledge that. You are | :33:58. | :34:04. | |
going to freeze prices for 20 months regulator to replace Ofgem. Will | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
that regulator have the power to regulator to replace Ofgem. Will | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
control prices? The new energy wholesale costs and prices, which it | :34:11. | :34:19. | |
moment. As a result of that it will wholesale costs and prices, which it | :34:19. | :34:28. | |
wholesale prices fall, it can force the energy companies, if they don't, | :34:28. | :34:35. | |
to pass on reductions in bills to consumers. It will not have what we | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
see in some parts of the European Union, 15 of them, that have a | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
variety of price controls that set things at below inflation and what | :34:43. | :34:45. | |
have you. France, Spain, Italy. things at below inflation and what | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
will not do that. Why? Because we are looking at a temporary price | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
freeze to reflect a reduction in are looking at a temporary price | :34:54. | :35:00. | |
British public respite from ever reforms into the market. At the | :35:00. | :35:05. | |
British public respite from ever of this, what we want is a more | :35:05. | :35:07. | |
competitive market that can be trusted, that is more transparent. | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
We do believe it is right that, actually, we need a regulator that | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
has much more of a role in making effectively. Are you accusing energy | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
companies of profiteering? EU I effectively. Are you accusing energy | :35:19. | :35:29. | |
accusing them of overcharging and not passing on wholesale reduction | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
costs to the customer in a fair not passing on wholesale reduction | :35:31. | :35:41. | |
Of making Carter -- cartel profits? I do believe that the level of | :35:42. | :35:48. | |
profits they have passed on to their shareholders is high, compared to | :35:48. | :35:51. | |
the reductions they could have provided to consumers. Let's look at | :35:51. | :35:52. | |
the evidence for that. Here are provided to consumers. Let's look at | :35:53. | :35:59. | |
British owned companies, SSE and Centrica. In the last fiscal year | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
they made combined earnings of Centrica. In the last fiscal year | :36:01. | :36:10. | |
billion. The remaining money went to debt servicing and paying dividends, | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
which go into pension funds. Where profiteering? My figures that I | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
which go into pension funds. Where through their reporting to Ofgem and | :36:20. | :36:28. | |
work done by other organisations, Witch and others, it shows that | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
work done by other organisations, Centrica's case they have something | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
like 8% return in profit margins on the retail side. That goes up to 24% | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
on the generation side. They have passed on, in terms of profits, | :36:39. | :36:45. | |
something I70 4% through evidence to shareholders. But these figures | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
don't show that. They have invested £3 billion. I am reporting what | :36:47. | :36:57. | |
don't show that. They have invested been reported by Ofgem. Ofgem has | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
They may well be, but we don't have the evidence. I would accuse Ofgem | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
of not doing the job they should be of not doing the job they should be | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
doing, and they have held back from across the big six, something like | :37:06. | :37:16. | |
dividends to shareholders. In Centrica's case it is 74%. On the | :37:16. | :37:22. | |
Centrica example, even though they have had the highest profit margins, | :37:22. | :37:28. | |
they have invested the least. It is fair to question. We are running out | :37:28. | :37:34. | |
of time. None of us really know what the true price of energy is that is | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
Labour's policy to reform his crucial. That is because he merged | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
the market and we can't tell the difference. If they continue putting | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
prices up, even after your price freeze, if they don't invest in a | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
way that they do, do you rule out wholesale nationalisation? | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
Absolutely. I want a more competitive market and that is why | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
we are resetting it. You are watching Sunday Politics. Coming up | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
in just over 20 minutes I will be looking at the week ahead with our | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
In the East Midlands, can Europe political panel | :38:04. | :38:18. | |
In the East Midlands, can Europe help us to fight online abuse of our | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
children and we asked the premise of the big question, is he really a | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
cross between John Wayne and Alan Partridge? You do describe as a lots | :38:26. | :38:31. | |
of things in this job, I hope I'm a bit more John Wayne than Alan | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
Partridge. My guess this week are two East Midland MEPs, Emma Clarke a | :38:36. | :38:42. | |
Conservative, and Dennis Wilcock, a Labour voice. We are discussing ways | :38:42. | :38:51. | |
in which the party can win more votes. It is a debate being held by | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
the Loughborough Conservative MP Vicky Morgan who say that women in | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
the party needs to be more assertive when it comes to the rising Wallasey | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
and with two guests in the studio today, it is a good time to talk | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
about women in politics. Cosmic does Nicky Morgan have a point? | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
Absolutely, she is a great role model herself and we need to see | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
more women in decision—making roles in political life and that is | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
definitely why I wanted to be elected as a young woman to prove | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
they could be done and will hopefully inspire others. Guinea to | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
make your voice heard? You certainly do, it is not always easy but you | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
need to do that. We have only got only four Cabinet ministers are out | :39:32. | :39:39. | |
of 23 and that is not a good example. You are saying things have | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
not improved? Aye not as much. Bodice putting women off —— what is | :39:44. | :39:54. | |
putting women off? I think it is the traditional roles, the women at home | :39:54. | :40:00. | |
looking after the family, and the man is doing something else, washing | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
and ironing, cooking and cleaning while he is doing politics. We go | :40:03. | :40:08. | |
home and have to do all of that as well, we need to prove it can be | :40:08. | :40:16. | |
done. Do you watch together as women across party boundaries? It depends | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
on the subject. We have different political views but where we can | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
work together, we do. Together we want to see more women in politics. | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
In the European Parliament it is better for women. We have 35% women | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
MEPs which is higher than Westminster. What are they doing | :40:34. | :40:43. | |
write there? Westminster is a bearpit and European politics is | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
about consensus and cooperation. That is something that women can do | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
very well. It is less macho? Absolutely. The Prime Minister has | :40:51. | :40:58. | |
been speaking about job losses and house—building in the East Midlands | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
in an interview with John has, he spoke of the 1600 job losses | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
announced at Derbyshire county council this week. He began by | :41:07. | :41:12. | |
discussing plans of house—building. On the issue of housing, the Housing | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
Federation says the East Midlands is only building 45% of the homes that | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
the region needs. It supported Ed Miliband's badge for 200,000 homes | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
by the end of a Labour government and already we are hearing from | :41:24. | :41:31. | |
Conservative MPs in marginal seats saying not in my backyard. Where is | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
this going to be sorted out? We are sorting it out, we are a reforming | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
the priming system —— planning system. We are introducing a help to | :41:41. | :41:47. | |
buy scheme so mortgages are unlocked for people that need to buy a house | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
or move home who can't get a mortgage. The economy is recovering | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
and that helps the housing market. These problems are being addressed. | :41:55. | :42:01. | |
Are your MPs in those seats right to put up opposition to new housing | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
development? People are right to say that this needs to be determined | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
locally and planning authorities should make decisions. My view is | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
that when you trust local councils what you find is that if they are | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
given the choice, they do build the houses but they try to make sure | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
they are building a way that people support. That is what we are putting | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
in place and I am confident we will get the housing we need. On | :42:23. | :42:29. | |
government cuts, this is the Derbyshire Times headline this week, | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
we have not known anything like this since the great depression. | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
Derbyshire are saying that 1600 jobs need to go, unprecedented cuts, that | :42:36. | :42:41. | |
is not coming from the Labour leader, that is coming from the | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
chief executive. They are trying to play a blame game. Everyone watching | :42:45. | :42:51. | |
the programme knows we have a budget deficit and we cannot be beyond our | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
means, we have had to make cuts, cuts in central and local | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
government, when you look at the cuts that they are being asked to | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
make, they are relatively modest. They can be done. I would praise | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
local councils for what they have done so far to make efficiencies | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
without hitting front line services. They can go on doing that. You will | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
be aware that the leader of Leicestershire Nick Rushton has met | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
with Conservative MPs say that his authorities cannot take any more | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
cuts. I don't accept that, local councils has shown that they can | :43:23. | :43:25. | |
find efficiencies, the pay freeze we are put in place has made sure that | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
we are keeping people in work, we are providing good services, it is | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
of course difficult, the extra cuts that are being asked for our | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
moderate —— modest. 2.3%. It is not impossible. One of the MPs described | :43:38. | :43:47. | |
you as a disturbing cocktail of Alan Partridge and John Wayne. Yellow mac | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
you get the scrubbers a lot of things in the job. I hope I'm a bit | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
mode John Wayne that Alan Partridge. We could not help but wonder but | :43:54. | :44:06. | |
wonder what that mix would look like. That is what he looks like. I | :44:06. | :44:16. | |
was a bit scary? It is very scary. I can see Alan Partridge. He did take | :44:16. | :44:28. | |
it well. The reason why I made that comment is because I am fed up of | :44:28. | :44:32. | |
him making one, in Brussels and something else at home. It is time | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
to have transparency. Emma, David Cameron was asked about job losses | :44:35. | :44:43. | |
by L political addict 's so that everybody was basing the having to | :44:43. | :44:50. | |
make cuts. Some of the cuts made in the East Midlands are savage. | :44:50. | :44:58. | |
Councils have difficult decisions to take right now and they need to find | :44:58. | :45:07. | |
ways to make those cost savings. The previous administration had put in | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
place very, very. You make it sound so easy. It is the change in | :45:12. | :45:18. | |
administration. They have overspent by 10.5 billion. USA team made the | :45:18. | :45:28. | |
situation worse. What do you think Linus? I think it is difficult. The | :45:28. | :45:38. | |
amount of money that councils are getting is being cut. Some leaders | :45:38. | :45:43. | |
in councils are asking where they should cut. Prices are going up and | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
wages are going down, it is not easy. David Cameron is talking about | :45:46. | :45:52. | |
housing, he wants more housing which is something that Labour has pledged | :45:52. | :46:01. | |
as well. We have got dozens of disputes going off here. People do | :46:01. | :46:08. | |
need houses and it is up to the local councils to determine the | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
planning regulations, I think people can come to a compromise, there are | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
many young people, desperate for housing for wanting to get onto the | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
housing ladder, we need to build houses. We are absolutely desperate | :46:19. | :46:27. | |
for them. You are both European MPs. The European —— do it is like | :46:27. | :46:35. | |
housing have an impact on the work that you do? You would be amazed | :46:35. | :46:43. | |
about the people that write to us about all different issues. We | :46:43. | :46:52. | |
always keep L I only region. That has a European angle and how we are | :46:52. | :47:01. | |
developing. How we have greatly and will develop jobs. And how we can | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
develop houses. And have the infrastructure to support them. What | :47:04. | :47:17. | |
about you? I have been pushing for a youth club —— youth job guarantee, | :47:17. | :47:28. | |
it is something that we have pursued since last year. We have got a fund | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
to help young people into a job. We see the devastation that | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
unemployment causes. Does the rest of Europe have arguments like that? | :47:36. | :47:48. | |
We have a region as Europe to see how Europe is developing. Will this | :47:48. | :47:59. | |
affect your chances next election? Everything with the political angle | :47:59. | :48:04. | |
has an impact but we need to commit to voters ourselves but we have the | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
right line with European policy. You can understand that people are | :48:08. | :48:10. | |
worried about how things are affecting them. How old is affecting | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
their family. There is a strong anti—European sentiment coming out | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
of the UK from UKIP and the Conservative party, how does it go | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
down in Brussels? The matter we have got their attention in the UK, we | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
have strong feelings about our relationship with the European | :48:24. | :48:26. | |
Union. I think it is absolutely right that we stop and take stock of | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
where we are. I want all those decisions that Guiness was talking | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
about to be taking here in the UK and as local as possible. That is | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
the problem with Brussels, it wants to take more powers and | :48:34. | :48:36. | |
decision—making away to Brussels and further away from the people. Some | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
of the Conservative MPs said it were to leave Europe, what do you say? | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
That Britain decide. David Cameron has promised us a referendum on our | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
future relationship with the European Union and that is what we | :48:45. | :48:48. | |
need. David Cameron is clear that it is in Britain's interest to remain | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
in Europe. If we have a debate, let's have a debate on the facts | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
rather than the rhetoric that we here. Quite often what we hear from | :48:54. | :48:56. | |
UKIP and from some of the Conservative party is not actually | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
factual. What Halifax? If you look at the government website every | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
family in this country that every family is 1102 £3500 better off each | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
year because we are part of Europe, you don't hear that from the | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
Conservative party. Why not? We are paying in 13 billion to be part of | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
the European Union, the British people do not feel they are getting | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
their money 's work and we are a more net contributor then we receive | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
benefits from the European Union. People want to feel they are in | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
control of their destiny and everyday DC the European | :49:21. | :49:22. | |
decision—making creeping into everyday lives, they do not like it. | :49:23. | :49:27. | |
That is nonsense. On the government website, it is not me saying that, | :49:27. | :49:30. | |
that is the government figures, every family is £1100 better at | :49:30. | :49:36. | |
least every year. That is a lot of money to lose. The conference season | :49:36. | :49:44. | |
is well and do —— underway. Last week it was Labour. John has spent | :49:44. | :49:53. | |
the week there. He sent us a postcard of how the East Midlands | :49:53. | :49:57. | |
has fared in Brighton. When a big party conference suites | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
into town, is just the politicians that want to make way. Others want | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
to grab your attention to, sometimes that requires a bit of a sweetener. | :50:05. | :50:10. | |
A bowl suites to tempt Labour delegates inside the conference | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
centre the font from —— the Montford University has a stand in the | :50:15. | :50:20. | |
exhibition call and that is unusual. We see ourselves as a | :50:20. | :50:26. | |
forward—thinking university, we have a square mile that we are proud of | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
which we share our work with the divinity and we want profile that | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
and we want to be opinion formers and tell them of the work we are | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
doing. Stress busting toys are on offer here and that is a must for | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
some delegates. This organisation advises councils on improving local | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
services and its chairman is a senior nodding City Councillor. | :50:46. | :50:53. | |
Looking at work with environmental energy and solar panels. There is a | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
great deal of influence that we can bring from Nottingham and | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
experience. You are enjoying it? Yes. You will find no greybeards | :51:01. | :51:15. | |
here, young Labour candidates. It is the first conference on many of | :51:15. | :51:20. | |
them. I met Ed Miliband at one of the conference reception is the | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
other day, I was happy to medium, hopefully he will be a next | :51:23. | :51:30. | |
reminiscent. Inside the hall itself, even in old conference held | :51:30. | :51:37. | |
struggled. Keith chairing a morning session. A union delegate wanted a | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
debate on rail safety and plenty derail the morning agenda. Thank you | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
for making it an easy start for me chairing the session this morning. | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
It has taken me about ten years to get here. You have made it | :51:50. | :51:56. | |
worthwhile. I am grateful. They could take much longer for high | :51:56. | :52:00. | |
speed to derive —— to arrive in the East Midlands after the shadow | :52:00. | :52:02. | |
chancellor warned about rising costs. Whether it is the best way to | :52:02. | :52:11. | |
spend £50 billion. Has led a fall out of love with the high—speed | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
project? We think there is a strong case for a new North, South line, | :52:16. | :52:24. | |
but ministers have mismanaged the project and got cost to God to £51 | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
billion. It cannot be a blank cheque on the project. After a few sunny | :52:27. | :52:32. | |
days in Brighton, it is time for the Conservatives in Manchester. Is | :52:32. | :52:38. | |
there a beach nearby? John will be providing us with his | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
insights from Manchester next week. With that conference, you are a | :52:42. | :52:47. | |
chairing a debate Emma on online abuse. That is a big issue here. | :52:47. | :52:54. | |
When a child is sexually abused, it affects them for life. When they are | :52:54. | :53:02. | |
filmed or photographed being sexually abused, it leaves them | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
feeling exploited. That is eight charity called the Internet watch | :53:06. | :53:08. | |
foundation which is fighting the exploitation of children on the | :53:08. | :53:12. | |
Internet. Emma is hosting a fringe debate on taking European stance | :53:12. | :53:19. | |
against child abuse. It is something I feel passionate about and I hope I | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
can raise the profile of this issue that we have with child protection. | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
We need to stop our children being exploited online, we need to stop | :53:27. | :53:32. | |
this illegal content from being available through the Internet and | :53:32. | :53:35. | |
we need to tackle that. We are doing that here in the UK but we need to | :53:35. | :53:40. | |
tackle this because it is a borderless problem because the | :53:40. | :53:42. | |
Internet is borderless. What are you hoping to achieve? We need to raise | :53:43. | :53:50. | |
the priorities for government is not only in the UK where we are doing | :53:50. | :53:57. | |
that but also recognise that this is a global problem that we need to | :53:57. | :54:00. | |
work together with people in other countries in the European Union, but | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
wider in America, in Africa, in India where all of the children are | :54:04. | :54:09. | |
being abused, and it is being recycled through the Internet. How | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
important could Europe beyond this, how much of a help could Europe be? | :54:13. | :54:19. | |
Any sides in Europe are taken down, of course, you may have a country | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
like Russia or the US that are hosting the websites, that makes it | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
difficult. I rated Theresa May in March asking her to sign the | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
Lanzarote Convention which is about international cooperation so that | :54:32. | :54:39. | |
sex offenders could be prosecuted no matter where they are offending. You | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
can have someone from Britain go to another country and go for sex | :54:42. | :54:49. | |
offending and they come back and not the prosecuted and will not be on | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
the sex offender list. That is wrong. What reply did you get? | :54:52. | :54:58. | |
Womack it was noncommittal. We need more protection for children, it | :54:58. | :55:04. | |
doesn't matter where children are. We should be able to prosecute sex | :55:04. | :55:08. | |
offenders. Is one of the problems of the vulnerable people is that so | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
many countries speak English, so a lot of children in the country are | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
being targeted from all over the world? These images are shared | :55:16. | :55:23. | |
globally when they are available, we need to make sure that we are | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
collecting the information. People are not reporting. We need to make | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
sure that people report that they stumble upon these images. They can | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
do that anonymously, through the Internet watch foundation outline. | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
They will share the information if it is a UK website hosting that. | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
They will shut down in 60 minutes. If it is an international one, they | :55:43. | :55:48. | |
will pass that information to law enforcement. This is where we need | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
to have a global alliance, there is a —— an agreement in place to tackle | :55:52. | :55:57. | |
this globally. How prevalent is this? How big is the problem? Is a | :55:57. | :56:02. | |
big problem and Labour MEPs have been arguing that we should be able | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
to block the site in the European level. We should be able to block | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
the site whether it is Russia or America, it is controversial, people | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
do not like that. It is something that we must seriously look at. What | :56:13. | :56:18. | |
do other countries do about online child abuse. How do they deal with | :56:18. | :56:19. | |
the issue? Some are not as double —— developed | :56:19. | :56:27. | |
as others, in African countries, I hosted a conference on the European | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
Parliament to tackle the problem and they say they do not have the | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
facilities to run the hotline is that you do. They are sharing the | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
best practice of the UK of how we collect information, how we use it | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
to shut down these websites, how we can use it to lock these websites. | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
We must have every tool available to us to do so and we are leading the | :56:45. | :56:50. | |
way in this but we need to help these other countries get on board | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
and make sure they are using the full force of law. | :56:53. | :56:59. | |
How was your view all of this, do they think we are obsessed? Is | :56:59. | :57:05. | |
illegal across Europe, it any sites are taken down. Unimpeded as a | :57:05. | :57:13. | |
problem there, it is about the sites from other countries. That is what | :57:13. | :57:21. | |
we should be pursuing. It sounds like European cooperation is key | :57:21. | :57:27. | |
here. I am glad to hear that Glenys and her Labour MPs are supporting | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
this. Other elements of the group that you represented not vote to | :57:32. | :57:40. | |
allow blocking the European use of children in sexual exploitation. | :57:40. | :57:47. | |
Other countries in Europe. There are people from certain countries across | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
a political spectrum that do not want it. That is because a past | :57:50. | :57:56. | |
history and things like that. They feel that it is impinging on | :57:56. | :58:02. | |
people's freedoms. I don't think that is correct. I think the | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
majority of my group do not agree with that. There are people from all | :58:05. | :58:11. | |
political spectrum is that feel that way. Particularly the French. Nobody | :58:11. | :58:18. | |
can believe that they will not use every single tool that they have | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
possible to stop these images from being circulated. It astounds me. We | :58:22. | :58:31. | |
need to work together. Is also linked to the human trafficking | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
issue. We need to have strong legislation in place to prevent all | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
these things and we are very keen that we block these sites. A lot of | :58:38. | :58:45. | |
interest in your debate. Time for a round—up of the other political | :58:45. | :58:56. | |
stories in the East Midlands. Bin collections are causing a bit of | :58:56. | :59:00. | |
a stink this week on a conservative led North West council is asking to | :59:00. | :59:08. | |
charge people to have their bins collected. In Derby, the Tories have | :59:08. | :59:15. | |
found a scrap for a bin charge where people will be forced to hand out | :59:15. | :59:20. | |
next April if they take the next election. In Leicestershire there is | :59:20. | :59:25. | |
the end of October to bid for a share of £100,000 grant and a | :59:25. | :59:31. | |
bruised —— boosting the economy. The first round supported a range of | :59:31. | :59:33. | |
initiatives including children was like farm and a cider company. | :59:33. | :59:39. | |
Nottinghamshire county council has been chosen as a Lib Dem candidate | :59:39. | :59:46. | |
for Parliament. Jason who was born and brought up in Ashfield will take | :59:46. | :59:57. | |
on Labour's candidate. Gloria der Pierro. What else do you have coming | :59:57. | :00:06. | |
up in Europe that we need to know about? I have a busy time | :00:06. | :00:11. | |
negotiating with governments to try and make it more streamlined, easier | :00:11. | :00:17. | |
and quicker to obtain trials for people with cancer. It is very | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
important. I have got months of negotiations will stop good luck. | :00:21. | :00:30. | |
What about you, Emma? We have a big vote coming up in October. There is | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
a mouthful. Within it, there is a piece of legislation that has an | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
alert mechanism so that as someone has been struck off for now | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
practised in one —— malpractice in one country they will also be | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
alerted in this country. You have of course have an election next May? | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
Heavey started campaigning? Absolutely. It goes so quick. All of | :00:51. | :00:58. | |
a sudden you will know it is there. We are ahead for this campaign. It | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
will be a interesting campaign. We are ahead for this campaign. It | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
and Emily Thornberry. Back to you, Andrew. | :01:06. | :01:19. | |
So, we'll David Cameron's marriage tax break win over voters? How will | :01:19. | :01:25. | |
So, we'll David Cameron's marriage conference initiatives? And what is | :01:25. | :01:36. | |
UKIP leader Nigel FarageFarage up to with the Tories in Manchester? | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
On this business of a possible Tory- UKIP pact, in a general election, | :01:41. | :01:56. | |
let's see what David Cameron had to say about that earlier. I am not | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
looking for a packed. I think we need to give people a clear choice | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
at the general election. The British economy has turned a corner. We | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
at the general election. The British on the right track, we are seeing | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
more jobs, new businesses, we are beginning to get things moving | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
again. Do you want to stick with us, hard-working people, or do you want | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
to put it at risk with Ed Miliband hard-working people, or do you want | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
and his crazy plans to tax business out of existence? That was the Prime | :02:25. | :02:32. | |
there any appetite on the UKIP side discussions around the country, | :02:32. | :02:39. | |
there any appetite on the UKIP side would say no. It's being discussed, | :02:39. | :02:50. | |
is the media that is pushing this. It has reflected what has happened | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
conference season began. Labour It has reflected what has happened | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
trying to reclaim what I would call position. I'm not sure what the | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
Liberal Democrats or two, but the Conservatives are trying to react to | :03:05. | :03:11. | |
accusation they are lurching more to the right, which the media wants to | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
able to do some sort of pact with interpret as them possibly being | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
able to do some sort of pact with UKIP. Have you given any thought to | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
whatsoever. It is not on the radar. I have read comments, including | :03:26. | :03:33. | |
Carswell, the Eurosceptics, that they might form a potential, let's | :03:33. | :03:39. | |
call it, you know, cabinet. If there were UKIP members, I don't doubt | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
that Nigel Farage would be one of them. But I would reiterate it is | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
not discussions that are taking place. I am thinking more of an | :03:46. | :03:54. | |
have responded to that by saying, the moment, there are no ongoing | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
discussions. There is certainly constituency level or coming out of | :03:58. | :04:05. | |
believe any constituencies are Eurosceptics? I am not privy to | :04:05. | :04:14. | |
believe any constituencies are all 360 constituencies might be | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
discussing. All I can do is give you the example of the few I have seen | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
and know it is not on the agenda. Without a pact, it is perfectly | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
possible that you could fail to Without a pact, it is perfectly | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
a single seat at the next election, but put Ed Miliband into Downing | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
Street? Categorically not. There are a number of seats out there that are | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
very clear marginals, just like a number of seats out there that are | :04:36. | :04:53. | |
Izzard was. I believe there could be an MP -- just like Eastleigh was. If | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
you take enough votes away from an MP -- just like Eastleigh was. If | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
Tories, if you make sure that Labour wins? I will go back to the comment | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
I made. If you take Eastleigh as an example, a Liberal Democrat held | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
seat, even after that result, does not mean that UKIP is suddenly going | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
to be focusing on Tory seats. We are out there because people resonate | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
with our message. For the Liberal Democrats to make it abundantly | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
clear that they will not support a referendum, that they will not | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
support any discussion on leaving the queue, that could be a big | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
turn-off for voters. David Cameron says there is not going to be a | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
pact, Diane James says there is says there is not going to be a | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
going to be one. There might be says there is not going to be a | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
or at a constituency level. But says there is not going to be a | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
seems clear to me that there will not be a national one. So, does | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
David Cameron have a UKIP strategy? The only encouraging thing for | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
UKIP's successful David Cameron that the moment that he would only | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
that their support is so enormous that the moment that he would only | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
really need to win back maybe a third or a quarter of its to make a | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
decisive difference to the Tory share of the vote in 2015. The | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
question becomes, how much of that UKIP support is up for grabs? A | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
question becomes, how much of that last week suggested that 47% of | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
current UKIP voters would consider voting Tory if it meant preventing | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
Ed Miliband becoming Prime Minister. That number goes up to 57% against | :06:13. | :06:19. | |
recovery. So, plausibly, there is secondary question is, what does | :06:19. | :06:25. | |
David Cameron do to win over those people? He has tried a Europe will | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
referendum and it didn't work. He tried travelling up his immigration | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
policy and that didn't work. I wonder if it is time. You wait until | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
the run-up to 2015, when they start to focus on the explicit choice | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
Cameron, and that is what shifts a Cameron. We heard from William Hague | :06:44. | :06:52. | |
earlier in the programme, the Tory line is that if you vote UKIP you | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
could end up with Ed Miliband in Downing Street. That is the simple | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
appeal, isn't it? Yes, and I think Diane is right, I think the European | :07:01. | :07:08. | |
elections will show a good showing for UKIP. It is deemed the one where | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
you can play away. I think it will be hard for people to get excited | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
about that, I think that bounce be hard for people to get excited | :07:14. | :07:20. | |
fade away. In Eastleigh, they had a good ground game, that is difficult | :07:20. | :07:26. | |
for UKIP, that don't have that machinery sorted. How are they going | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
to fund that operation? But the machinery sorted. How are they going | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
bounce could fade away after the European elections. Even if they go | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
election, they are still immensely dangerous to the Conservative Party. | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
But there is really only two things David Cameron can do. One is to | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
But there is really only two things boring and talk about helping people | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
with their mortgage, helping with bread and butter issues. The second | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
thing is, those European actions, he tends to the natural Conservative | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
voters and says, you have had your fun, next year do you want me or Ed | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
Miliband us your prime and? The fun, next year do you want me or Ed | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
danger with David Cameron is saying, of course, there is not going to be | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
a pact, the danger is you will get a repeat of the 1977 election. John | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
Major said, famously, do not bind my hands. A series of Conservative | :08:13. | :08:19. | |
personally rule out membership of the euro, when the Conservative | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
membership was wait and see. That looked like a Prime Minister not in | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
charge of his party. The danger looked like a Prime Minister not in | :08:25. | :08:32. | |
Let's assume you do really well looked like a Prime Minister not in | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
the European actions and there is a widespread expectation that you | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
will, even in Downing Street. They might be managing expectations. | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
will, even in Downing Street. They stops you fading away as the general | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
election approaches? A number of reasons. As has been mentioned, | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
election approaches? A number of whole issue of the referendum pledge | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
has been proved to be an absolute nonsense. It is so contingent on if | :08:52. | :08:59. | |
I am re-elected, if it's not a coalition government, is, if, if. | :08:59. | :09:07. | |
That was fooled nobody. The issue of where voters are coming from, it is | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
because they have lost faith in where voters are coming from, it is | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
David Cameron says. There is nothing he is going to say that is convince | :09:12. | :09:19. | |
think that is my view and the view of a lot of UKIP. I am told that | :09:19. | :09:29. | |
the fringes? It is a great scoop, on the front page. They are outside the | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
ring of steel. Even so, they won't programme, so they must be worried | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
paid money for adverts in the Tory about something. His people have | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
paid money for adverts in the Tory brochure and his name has been taken | :09:43. | :09:43. | |
out. Speaking of people the Tory brochure and his name has been taken | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
leadership is worried about, Boris Johnson, are we in any doubt as | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
leadership is worried about, Boris interview that he is now beginning | :09:53. | :09:59. | |
his long march back to Parliament? He does express feeling slightly sad | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
during the Syria debate that he He does express feeling slightly sad | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
not there, on the political front line to participate. I still do | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
not there, on the political front see why it is in his interest is to | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
move before 2015. No, I don't think he will move before, I think he | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
move before 2015. No, I don't think sending a signal to the existing | :10:17. | :10:17. | |
Tories in the Commons that when sending a signal to the existing | :10:17. | :10:29. | |
Me Dave goes, I will be back? He has the Vince Cable problem, if you | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
Me Dave goes, I will be back? He has the same thing too many times, | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
people get bored and factor it in. The interesting thing is him saying | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
that people have seven years before the electorate get bored of them. He | :10:40. | :10:45. | |
might be cresting that. He doesn't want to be Prime Minister, he is | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
much more ambitious than that. He wants to be an emperor. He was | :10:48. | :10:56. | |
asked, which Roman emperor would you like to be compared to? You said, | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
important. I don't think you are thinking big enough. See what I | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
important. I don't think you are to put up with, every Sunday? By | :11:09. | :11:09. | |
virtue of being born in the US, to put up with, every Sunday? By | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
could be president. Unlike Arnold Schwarzenegger. How about a deal | :11:14. | :11:24. | |
with Boris? He has made no secret, after Eastleigh, that he would be | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
open to a discussion. Let's call it no more than a discussion. He has | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
been adamant, however, he does not see any reason, any justification or | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
any opportunity where he would be able to have that discourse with | :11:36. | :11:42. | |
any opportunity where he would be David Cameron. Maybe it comes down | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
to that on both sides. I've no idea. We know that the Tories will be | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
to that on both sides. I've no idea. more Eurosceptic after the next | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
election? I can't imagine David Cameron's successor will be somebody | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
that supports EU membership in ideological direction of the party. | :11:56. | :12:04. | |
The leadership contest will be about 2018. If you are standing, when | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
this is a great deal for Britain membership, are you going to say | :12:05. | :12:12. | |
this is a great deal for Britain because the Prime Minister has | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
turned to leave rapid change two words in the working Time directive, | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
turned to leave rapid change two or are you going to become a leader | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
by saying, I want out? What would be a good conference for David Cameron | :12:20. | :12:32. | |
eye-catching announcement related to living standards. May be a clearer | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
line on energy prices? That would certainly help, that fightback has | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
been rubbish so far. The thing we should be looking out for are not | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
the polls immediately after, but the ones about the end of October, when | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
everything gets to settle down and then we will see what happens. In a | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
word, what is Nigel Farage out to get at the Tory conference? What is | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
he doing, other than mischief? I could almost say revenge. Revenge on | :12:57. | :13:05. | |
Mr Cameron? Yes. You know? Lord Ashcroft was there at the Labour | :13:05. | :13:11. | |
conference. You call it mischief, but there is every reason why he | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
should be there. We all call it mischief. Thanks for being with | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
should be there. We all call it Join me on Daily Politics for live | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
coverage of the Conservative Party conference tomorrow morning from | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
11:30 on BBC Two. We will bring conference tomorrow morning from | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
George Osborne's speech live and uninterrupted. I'll be back next | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
weekend when guests will include former Conservative Chancellor | :13:34. | :13:35. | |
Kenneth Clarke. Remember, if it former Conservative Chancellor | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:38. | :13:41. |