13/07/2014 Sunday Politics East Midlands


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Just two months to go until Scotland decides if it should stay


As the campaign heads for the final furlong,


what are the issues and arguments that will determine the result?


The SNP's deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon joins me live.


David Cameron's scheduled a major cabinet reshuffle on Tuesday.


Many of those tipped for promotion are women.


So have efforts to promote diversity in public life barely started or


And don't know whether to support Germany or


And in the East Midlands: political guide to the World Cup.


An MP calls for an inquiry into allegations of abuse


Plus the fight to save dozens of libraries threatened with closure.


It's World Cup final day and as usual the BBC's snagged the


Yes, eat your heart out, ITV, because for top football analysis


we've got Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen, and Alan Shearer.


And for top political analysis you may


as well tune in to them too because all we could come up with is Nick


David Cameron will reshuffle his cabinet on Tuesday.


The Sunday papers are full of stories telling us who'll be


in and who'll be out, though they don't really know.


The Mail on Sunday has one of the more eye-catching lines,


reporting that former defence secretary and right-winger Liam Fox


is in line for a return to the political front line.


But there's general agreement that women will do well and some


of the old men in suits guard will do badly.


Here's senior Tory backbencher David Davis speaking to this programme.


It's good to make parliament more representative.


But you've got to do it in a way that doesn't create


injustices, and you can't put people in a job who can't do the job.


And I've seen that too over the last 20 years, people being


accelerated too far too fast and they come to


a screeching halt where they have to catch up with themselves.


I am not going to give an example. Is this not a bit cynical? He is


going to promote these women into cabinet positions, but they will not


be able to do anything. I am sceptical of Cabinet reshuffle. It


is an un-written pact in that the media and the government have a


great interest in talking it up The government says, haven't we


refreshed ourselves? Generally it doesn't refresh the government.


David Cameron wants to send out a new signal. You're going to see the


old guard getting a P 45 and you will see a lot of women come in and


a lot of younger men. We will find there will be a lot of resignations.


A lot of, dear Prime Minister, as I told you 18 months ago, I want to


move on. Because the Conservatives have this perception of not being


very good with women and not being good with black and ethnic minority


voters, they are going to want to do something about that. Why did he not


do it before? This reshuffle might be the triumph of the a list. A lot


of the women coming through the ranks have been from the a list


which was a half measure because they knew they could not bring all


of them in. You are going to see more women but that is a result of a


long-term strategy. David Cameron is not the world's most raging


feminist. He is doing this for practical reasons. He knows he has


an image problem for the party and he has to solve it. He was stung by


that picture of the all-male bench at Prime Minister's Questions


because visibly it gave you the problem that you have been talking


about. I do not think he has allowed it to be all-male since that


embarrassing image. I can understand the criticism made of this approach


if it was the case that all the women being promoted by talentless


but you have to be very harsh to look at them and say that they would


have much less to offer than the likes of Andrew Lansley. You can be


pro-feminist. The tests for David Cameron is that having raised


expectations he has to give them substantial jobs. They have to be


given departments to run or big portfolios to carry. If they are


given media campaign positions in the run-up to the election it looks


perfunctorily. He is under some trouble to perhaps suggest a female


commissioner to the European Union Commission. Jean-Claude Juncker has


made clear that if he proposes a woman candidate they will get a


better job. Saying they would like ten out of the 28 to be women. We


are going to get the name of the British candidate at the same time


as the reshuffle. The first face-to-face meeting, he will be


able to put a name. There are other names in the frame. People like


Archie Norman. That come from? His name is in the frame. There would be


great scepticism of giving it to Andrew Lansley. People would think


he was the man who mucked up the reform of the NHS. Who is it going


to be? Either a woman or a man. I would not be surprised if they go


for someone believe dynamic. Someone who would square the party. Would


that not mean a by-election? It might. She is a high profile


Eurosceptic. She is a very competent former banker. It would be the smart


choice. I have no idea but my favourite rumour is Michael Howard.


That had some legs for a while. The Mystic Megs of Fleet Street


predict with confidence that the PM is going to promote more women


in his cabinet reshuffle. The move can be seen as part


of a move across British public life to do more to make our institutions


less male and less white. But as the list


of schemes to encourage diversity grows ever-longer, have we abandoned


the idea of appointment by merit? Tunnelling. Hard hats, and all for


new trains. It does not get more macho than the Crossrail project.


When Crossrail looked at the construction industry they realise


that less than 20% was made up construction industry they realise


women and they asked, can we fix it? They are trying with a recruitment


drive that has brought in female engineers like this woman. She even


has a tunnel named after her. Having more female engineers and


construction brings a bigger range of opinions, a bigger range of


ideas, more diversity, into the industry, and makes it better as a


whole. It is the issue being grappled in another male dominated


workplace, the Cabinet. There is about to be a reach shuffle and the


rumour is David Cameron is going to promote a lot of female ministers.


It was a lack of promotion that annoyed Harriet Harman this week.


She claimed Gordon Brown did not make her Deputy Prime Minister


because she was a woman. It was strange that in a hard-fought highly


contested election to be deputy leader of the Labour Party, and


having won against men in the Cabinet, to succeed to be deputy


leader of the Labour Party I discovered that I was not to be


appointed as Deputy Prime Minister. For women in this country, no matter


how able they are, the matter how hard they might work, they are still


not equal. There are initiatives to make the world feel more equal. In


the City the EU wants a quarter for women in the boardroom but that goal


of making 40% of the top floor female. At the BBC the boss of the


TV division says no panel show should ever be all-male. In the ever


glamorous movie business the British film Institute announced their new


thematic system to get lottery funding projects improving diversity


on screen and off and helping social mobility. Employers like Crossrail


are not allowed to positively discriminate but under the quality


act of 2010 if two candidate for a job are just as good you are allowed


to base your decision on characteristics like race, sexuality


and gender. Some worry it has chipped away at the idea of hiring


on merit. A woman and three men going for a job, two of the men are


really good and the woman is not quite as good but she gets the job


anyway. That will create injustice, a feeling that she did not deserve


the job, resentment. It does not advance equality in society at all.


On this project they want to leave a concrete legacy of a more diverse


construction industry. The question is, what tools do you use when it


comes to the rest of society? I'm joined now by


Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, a columnist for the Independent


and by Munira Mirza, the deputy mayor of London responsible


for education and culture. Cabinet wee shovel coming up punches


though. Should David Cameron be promoting women? He is going to do


it anyway. He should have a long time ago. It does not feel quite


right that a few months before the election it would do the party a lot


of good to be seen as a party properly reflective of the entire


population. He should promote women because they are women? I think he


should think about lots of different factors, whether the people he wants


promote have proven themselves in their current reefs, whether they


are good performers in the media, whether they represent different


parts of the party, but the main principle is to promote on basis of


merit. There are many talented women who fill that description. It should


be that merit is the important thing rather than what you were born with.


The thing about positive discrimination as it flies in the


face of that kind of principle. You are shaking your head. We have


always had positive discrimination. Men of a certain class have


appointed in their own image because they feel most comfortable with


that. We have had unspoken positive discrimination in this country and


every other country throughout history. We are asking as women all


minorities, let us get into the same game. What do you say? You cannot


solve the racism or the sexism of the past by more racism and sexism.


It is not the past. There are complex reasons why a smaller number


of women will appear in certain industries. It has a lot to do with


childcare, education, expected. You cannot short cut that by setting a


target. That is not how you achieve equality. Things are changing


target. That is not how you achieve engineering and so on but it


target. That is not how you achieve hidden barriers. Dot. Either they


are not as good or they do not want it, which is just how we persuade


are not as good or they do not want it, which ourselves that it is not


happening, or there are barriers. How we judge meritocracy is at the


heart of it. Are lots of industries won there are not that many women,


such as engineering. We need more engineers generally. I think it is


fine to try to encourage more women to study that subject. By setting a


target you put pressure on an organisation. You tried to


target you put pressure on an the complex reasons why women do not


go into those sectors. Minister? I personally wouldn't mind


this. I hear the disgruntled man and I want to come -- them to come with


us. You're choosing people on the basis of traits they were born


with. Are there too many Indian doctors in the NHS? I would argue


not. Given that we tend to have male prime ministers rather than female


ones, and we don't see another female one coming down the pipe very


quickly... female one coming down the pipe very


list forever, wasn't it the kind of shock to the system that made a


visible change in female representation,


visible change in female Scotland, why take the risk? All of


these things should be the case because they are in the best


interests of Scotland and the rest of the UK but we want the powers to


enable us to grow our economy faster, to be productive, and


overtime increased the prosperity of people living in Scotland. We also


want powers over our social security system so that we can create a


system that meets our needs, one that also has a safety net for the


most vulnerable people in our society. Independence is about


letting us decide our own priorities. You didn't answer my


question, you cannot guarantee you would be able to keep the pound


within a monetary union, stay in NATO and the EU, you cannot


guarantee you could produce any of these things, correct? I would argue


that we can because these things are also in the interest of the rest of


the UK. No country can be prevented from using the pound, I suggest we


use that within a formal monetary union. We have had the UK minister


quoted in the Guardian saying the position of the UK Government right


now is one based on campaign rhetoric and following a yes vote,


of course there would be a currency union. Who is that minister? The


Minister is unnamed, but nevertheless that story in the


Guardian was a solid one and not substantially denied. So you are


basing your monetary policy on one on named minister in one story?


Basing it on Common sense because monetary union would be in the best


interests for Scotland but also overwhelmingly in the interests of


the rest of the UK, given their trading relationship with Scotland


and the contribution Scotland's exports make. We are having a very


good debate and the UK Government and the no campaign, and this is not


a criticism, want to talk up in -- uncertainty to make people feel


scared, but after independence there will be constructed process of


negotiation. Let's stick with the monetary union because most


economists agree it would be very good for an independent Scotland to


have a monetary union but George Osborne, Ed Balls, Danny Alexander


are unequivocal, they say you won't get it. You claim they are bluffing


but again you cannot guarantee that so why the risk? I would say the


benefits of independence are substantial but I would also say to


George Osborne and his counterparts in the other parties that it would


be a very brave Chancellor that says to businesses in the rest of the UK


that they have to incur unnecessary additional transaction costs of half


a very brave Chancellor that says to businesses in the rest of the UK


that they have to incur unnecessary additional transaction costs of


half. What we are doing is making a case that is based on common sense


and voters in Scotland will listen to that case being put forward by


the other side as well, and they will come to a judgement of the


common-sense position. Let's look at EU membership because you haven t


been able to guarantee the monetary union. When President Barroso said


that a seamless transition to EU membership for an independent


Scotland was anything but certain, and one said it could even be


impossible, you dismissed him because he was standing down, but


been -- venue EU president says the same, do you dismissed him? What we


are doing... I should say at the outset of this, we have said


repeatedly to the UK Government let's go jointly and ask for a


formal opinion on the EU commission. The EU commission have


said they will only do that at this stage if the UK Government ask for


it, they are point blank refusing to do that, you have to ask why? It is


in their interests to talk up uncertainty. Scotland is an integral


part of the European Union, we have been for 40 years, we comply with


the rules and regulations... Mr Juncker knows all of that but he


still says it will be anything but a seamless transition. He said you


could not join the European Union by sending a letter, that is not our


proposal. We set down a robust proposal and the timescale we think


is reasonable under these circumstances. There are many


nationals of other states living in Scotland right now, if we were to be


outside of the European Union for any period of time, something the


current treaty doesn't even provide for, they would lose their right to


stay here. The interests of Scotland and the interests of European Union


are in favour of a seamless transition. It comes down to common


sense and people in Scotland will make


sense and people in Scotland will their own judgement on who is


talking the common-sense. What about NATO, two years ago you told


Newsnight the SNP's position is that we wouldn't stay in NATO. We had a


democratic debate, we looked at whether it would be in the interests


of an independent Scotland, which forms a significant part of the


territory of the North Atlantic and the party changed its mind. It did


so in a thoroughly democratic way. That is the nature of democracy


Would you accept the protection of the NATO nuclear umbrella? There is


no doubt the SNP's position is that we do not want nuclear weapons in


Scotland. That is not what I asked. The world rid themselves of nuclear


weapons. One of the interesting point is of the 28 member countries


of Natal 25 do not have nuclear weapons. An independent Scotland...


I asked if you would accept the nuclear umbrella. The key feature of


NATO's military dog train is now clear shrike. We would accept the


basis of which NATO is founded but we would argue two things. We want


Trident removed from Scotland rather than have a situation where might we


are spending ?100 billion over the next generation replacing Trident


and we would argue within the international community that the


world should move much more quickly to rid itself of nuclear weapons.


That is the principal position and won the SNP has held consistently


for many years. You would get rid of one of the key parts of the NATO


deterrent based in Scotland. You would kick that out. You would not


accept all of the club rules because you do not like the idea of nuclear.


Why would they like a member like you in? Because Scotland is a


significant part of the territory of the North Atlantic. You do not


subscribe to the rules. 25 of the member states of NATO are


non-nuclear members. You are saying you do not follow the doctrine. NATO


has said it wants to move away from reliance on nuclear weapons. An


independent Scotland would be entering the majority mainstream of


NATO as a country that did not have nuclear weapons. By leading by


example our moral authority and encouraging others to do likewise


would be increased. Money and oil, the finance minister has said that


an independent Scotland would increase public spending by 3% a


year. He would pay for that by borrowing. Your First Minister says


he is going to stash money in an oil fund. You're going to borrow and


save. How does that work? There are two points. Firstly in terms of the


outlook for finances and what is one of the central debates of this


referendum campaign, austerity that we know will continue if we stay as


part of the Westminster system versus prosperity. The economy can


afford a higher level of increase in public spending while we continue to


have deficit levels at a sustainable level. What is the point of


borrowing and saving at the same time? People who have a mortgage and


the savings account would not themselves what the wisdom of that


is. This is based on recommendations of our expert fiscal Commission that


as borrowing reduces to sustainable levels it makes sense to start


saving a proportion of our oil wealth. In Norway, which has many


similarities to Scotland, they have an oil fund worth ?500 billion.


Scotland is part of the Westminster system is sitting on a share of UK


debt. We can continue to allow our oil wealth, our vast oil wealth to


be mismanaged or we can decide we are going to manage that resource


better in the years to come. Your figures do not add up unless you are


about oil prices and revenue and you have been consistently wrong in your


predictions. Last year you forecast that revenues would be the .7


billion more than they actually work -- 3.7 billion. The cost of the


Scottish school system gone. There were particular reasons for that in


terms of interruption to production and bigger levels of investment


Used ill have to find the money Let me explain. They are based on robust


assumptions, firstly a production estimates that is in line with the


estimates of the oil and gas industry. Use of figures that are


based on production of 10 billion barrels of oil. Oil and gas has been


wrong as well. It is 24 billion left to be recovered. That is what is in


the UK Government's oil and gas strategy so production in line with


industry estimates and an oil price of $110 per barrel which is flat in


cash terms would be a real terms reduction. The Department of energy


is estimating $128 per barrel so our estimate compared to that is


cautious. These are robust estimates based on robust assumptions. Except


they have been wrong. Finally, we hear a lot from you and your fellow


nationalists, you want a Scandinavian style social democracy,


you know how to spend the money but you never tell us about social


democratic levels of taxation. Also should grizzlies have higher levels


of tax in Scotland does at the moment -- all social grizzlies. I


want a Scottish style of social democracy. Free education, free


medicines and balancing the books every single year. We want to get


more people into work in Scotland, raise the level of distribution in


the Labour market and make the economy more productive so we are


raising the overall tax revenue Over the last 33 years we have


generated more taxpayer head of population than is the case and the


rest of the UK. Those last 33 years, some of those years oil prices would


have been high and in others they would have been law but we take


different decisions. A report showed that if we go as part of the


Westminster system down the plate -- route of replacing Trident then the


cost will be as high as ?4 billion every year. Our share of that is the


hundred million pounds a year. Let us get access to our own resources


so we can make different and better decisions about how to spend the


resources we have. You are promising Scandinavian style social democratic


levels of public spending but you say you will not need a top rate of


tax of 56% which is what Scandinavia has, that all 25%, which is what


Scandinavia has and VAT of 15%. You are going to have the spending but


none of the taxes that make it possible in Scandinavia. For


mischievous reasons you are met -- misrepresenting what I am saying.


The Scottish economy can afford it and we want to generate more wealth


in our economy. We want to use the existing resources Scotland has We


are the 14th richest country in the world in terms of what we produce.


We do not want to be wasting resources. We want to be spending


resources on the things that other priority for the people of Scotland.


These are the benefits and the opportunities really get if we take


the opportunity of voting yes and becoming independent.


libraries under threat of closure ` could volunteers keep them open


They are really just going to struggle. It's not just a c`se of


standing behind the counter issuing books, there's a lot more involved.


I'd love to volunteer, as long as they don't mind le


the future holds for our politicians. And, looking b`ck on a


My attendance record and my voting partichpation


Of I am joined by our guest this week. It has been a major political


story this weekend it has bdcome an issue in the East Midlands. The


Government has ordered an enquiry into her allegations of widdspread


abuse by powerful public figures in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s were


handled. Now one of our MPs says that it has been happening here


John Mann once enquiry into claims of abuse in Nottinghamshire. I have


had six people coming to me, making allegations about a range of


offenders, and connected allegations, unconnected suggested


perpetrators. What is common amongst them is that all reported to the


police, not a single case h`s been prosecuted. Not one out of the sex.


Nottinghamshire Police have told us that after John Mann's allegations


they have a current investigation involving three victims and are


looking again at the cases of three people which have been investigated


before. Queries this all gohng to end? I hope that there will be


justice for the bit is. That is what we have always got me thinkhng


about. These cranes are forl a `` these crimes are horrific. H hope


that the victims who feel that these crimes were swept under the carpet


will now have the opportunity to have their cases heard and that


those who carried out these horrific those who carried out these horrific


crimes are brought to justice. This is an issue which will not go away.


These allegations are about historical events. These evdnts


could be even more damaging to our trust in politicians here and now. I


think all parties take thesd issues really seriously. It is not a


partisan issue so much as m`king sure that all checks and balances


are in place, look up properly and when allegations are maybe H looked


at thoroughly. Do you support the Government's moved to hold ` public


enquiry? I do. A few weeks `go I said that we need an overarching


inquiry and I am pleased thd Government have said that there is


going to be an overarching hnquiry. Cyril Smith, a Labour MP was


campaigning on Cyril Smith, I remember growing up in Greater


around Cyril Smith and rumotrs that around Cyril Smith and rumotrs that


the authorities had not let into these issues properly. And so I hope


that 20 or 30 years down thd line, this enquiry that the Government has


set up can look into all thdse issues, because the key thing is


getting justice for the victims of these horrific crimes. Therd is a


concern that as we look to the past escape divert resources awax from


current abuse cases. One thhng that kept me awake at night as ldader of


the County Council was child protection issues because it is so


critical and life destroying when it is not looked into properly and


prevented. I was confident with the team that we had in Derbyshhre. I


think that other local authorities, regardless of party, take this issue


incredibly seriously and will continue to do so.


This week Leicestershire Cotnty Council ended its public


consultation on its decision to hand libraries over two communithes to be


run by volunteers and admitted that they could close if no one comes


forward. This is one of 36 community


libraries that Leicestershire County Council want to support comlunities


to run. Many users here lovd their local library and do not want it to


change. I love reading, I love my library, and it is the main thing in


my life. I understand that the council need to save money, but I do


not think that closing the library is the right way to do it. We moved


here last year and the libr`ry was one of the first places that we came


to. We have made lots of new friends. I love reading and I want


my son to as well. I'm keephng my mind open about volunteering. I


think it will struggle, it hs not just the case of standing bdhind the


counter issuing book, there's a lot more involved. I would love to


volunteer, as long as the domain name bringing my sidekick. To cancel


it had taken the petition to County Hall. People pay their taxes, their


council tax, they expect certain services to be delivered and one of


those services is the local library. They wanted to be funded by


the County Council and will be staffed by professional librarians.


In a statement, Leicestershhre County Council say they will be


analysing the responses of this consultation, which closed on


Monday, and a report will bd going to Cabinet in September. Thdy go on


to say that they understand people value their libraries and w`nt them


to continue as community hubs. The community here is already trying to


facility, not the library, the local facility, not the library, the local


pub. We had a 98% positive vote to say that we wanted to save the pub.


But we want to turn it into much more than that, we do not h`ve a


such facilities, so we want to have such facilities, so we want to have


a small shop, be able to offer perhaps a function room, a coffee


bar, parcel drop, picking up prescriptions. It becomes a much


are former leader of the Cotnty are former leader of the Cotnty


Council, dealing Leicestershire could be doing work? I think that


Leicestershire's model of trying to hold onto its libraries this way is


interesting. When I was leader of the County Council I ran culture


personally because I took it seriously. We brought services into


libraries from different departments at the council to keep them vibrant


and vital. This is a differdnt model, they've consulted ovdr it


widely. I think communities do value their libraries and therefore they


will want to help the counchl in difficult times to support the


service. Should the council be doing work? The council faces the legacy


of an economic recession. Which we are recovering from now. Thdre is a


long way to go with it. That means that there will have to be different


ways of doing things across the public sector. This is about the


money. It is not available, so it makes sense to involve the community


in this way. What is driving this is the huge cuts that the Tory `Liberal


Government have imposed across local governments across the land.


Leicestershire Government and Derbyshire Government have defined


cuts. That is the problem hdre. The Government has made decisions about


the funding it gets to councils and councils are being forced to


respond. Sadly, in this casd, they are closing libraries. Wait like he


is saying it is your fault. Am always interested when Labotr see


that their cuts are terribld. The Labour Leader says that thex would


stick to these conservative lands and they got into power. Wh`t we are


actually saying is that we recognise the mess that David Cameron and


George Osborne have made with the public finances and we are just


being honest that if we get into Government next year then wd will


inherent a very unbalanced budget. George Osborne actually prolised to


balance the books by 2015, he is going to feel on that. But he is


saying that he will inherit your mess. He has been in Governlent now


for over four years. The thhng is that people clearly do love their


libraries and they are prep`red to fight for them. Leicestershhre


County Council said they had 20 0 responses to the consultation and


1400 people turned out to mdetings. People are very interested `nd want


to care for their libraries. I support that, they are very


important. But the economy hs in recovery after a disastrous period


under Labour. We have taken time to recover otherwise would be to have


had to make more severe cuts. People do not like the cuts, that hs


perhaps why you lost Derbyshire People do not like the cuts but they


are being made in the national interest. They are being done over a


full parliamentary term. Ed Miliband said this week that people would


support people powered publhc services. Is that not the s`me thing


as the big society? We have said that we want to default mord money


so that they can make decishons To so that they can make decishons To


be fair, the Government are doing this as well know. These ard the big


buzzwords and public policy. We are in favour of that. The Government


had taken steps this week. We have gone further... How? Where hs your


money going to come from? Wd want the money from the National


Department for local authorhties to devolve money to local level. We are


interested in projects wherd local people come together and run


services. But Leicestershird what is happening is that the Countx Council


has taken decisions close lhbraries because of cut that they have got to


find because of what central Government has imposed upon them.


Next week Derbyshire has announced `` is announcing ?17 million of cuts


and they are blaming your Government for it. The leader said that the


Government has left us no choice and we are now thinking the unthinkable.


I think Derbyshire County Council has been particularly badly run I


decisions have been deferred which has made them worse. Money has been


given to organisations that printed T`shirts about Margaret Thatcher's


death and all sorts of things. You are saying they have wasted money?


Yes, they have put off making decisions. They are Labour `uthority


that must be worrying to thd rest of the Labour Party because thdy have


messed things up. It is the end of the political year. Parliamdnt rises


in just two weeks's time and when MPs return in autumn it will be in


the final run`up to the gendral election. We will be getting the


views of our political editor about how that election fight is shaping


up in the East Midlands. Here is our look back at the highlights of the


year so far. Your Sunday politics is in Brussels


this week for a special programme here in the European Parlialent


What can I say? Queries that chocolate shop? Rain mac I would


love to show you inside but the races following in. My partx's


record is better than your Lib Dems. It is pushing the Lib Dems hnto


fifth place. I will not apologise. Some people would say that `s Labour


authorities you have picked high`profile services to cut. Not so


many people are wanting to foster or adopt children, I think that more


people should. How are you going to regulate the drilling? We h`ve come


to Newark market to do the cupcake challenge. Being a backbench MP can


be very rewarding indeed. Ddnnis Skinner shouted out, are yot on work


experience? I know what it hs like. My phone has been playing up. Maybe


it was that call for the vote of no confidence. Might have had something


to do with it. It was a black Dalek, fight Dalek and great Dalek and I


lost one of them. It is likd your life just flashing before your eyes.


Let us look ahead to what is in store in the run`up to the general


election. What have in the big themes in the East Midlands? Three


things spring out for me. One thing is that the coalition are still


going after four years. It lay appear to be a bit like a t`ndem,


with David Cameron holding onto the handlebars, Nick Clegg going behind


him. Basically it is holding together. The other thing is the


economy. The East Midlands hs very much in the driving seat of the


revival. The politics, the Newark by`election, the European


elections, that has definitdly given the Tories and the Prime Minister


rebounds. Here is one of thd reasons for that Tory bones. `` bounce. They


may have put UKIP in a box. What should we be looking out for? The


parties will be increasinglx pitting those booster rockets under their


campaigns. Destination general election next May. You will find


increasingly as the Tories, the Labour Party and Liberal Delocrats


put the items in their shop window what they would do in Government. We


will have a reshuffle very soon the next couple of days, will Kdn Clarke


remaining Cabinet and to wh`t extent will the Prime Minister be `ble to


promote women at the top table. That has a knock`on effect for Ed


Miliband, will he start to shuffle his pack? And then Scotland, the


referendum result in September. That will have a huge effect, not only on


British politics, but on thd role of English cities. What would be the


knock`on effect for that? You are involved in labour's campaign. Is it


just coincidence is the East Midlands going to be this bhg battle


ground in the coming general election? I think it is just pointed


and is that we have got to outstanding Labour MPs, frol the


East Midlands. But you are right, the East Midlands are going to be a


big battle ground. The Tory membership in these seats is


actually falling. But at thd same time they are getting big money


donations in. So I think th`t if you live in Amber Valley, where Labour


won the local elections, yot will be getting a lot of glossy litdrature


from the Tory party. But in laughter about you will also be getthng the


Labour candidate knocking on your door. It is going to be people


power. Have the Conservativds feeling as they go into the summer


break? Because you did when the Newark by`election but you had a cut


in your majority which John has just alluded to. That could translate to


losing a lot of marginal se`ts here in the East Midlands. I am sure that


those knocks on the door or something for everybody to look


forward to. We have won a by`election in Amber Valley already.


On top of their European success, there is an agreement betwedn John


and I that this is a key battle ground and there will be a lot of


national attention on our area because it will determine pretty


much who forms a Government. East Midlands economy is growing very


quickly, new report says we have seen the biggest growth in the


number of jobs in the country. I am pleased that there are more jobs in


the East Midlands economy btt what we're finding is that peopld are


still worse off. I do better or for worse off under the Tory Government,


in the East Midlands you're still worse off. It is increasingly


characterised by squeezed w`ges low pay and part`time or zero otr


contracts. People are in work but what are not `` is not as mtch as


what they did before. There are more cuts to come, job losses as well,


that is not good news in thd run`up to a general election. Cartoon ever


popular and it is our job to explain why they have been necessarx `` cuts


are never popular. We need to show what progress we have made hn


rebuilding the economy. The fact we are getting significant growth is


good news for everybody. It is not significant growth, it is growth.


Into significant growth. George Osborne said that it should be much


more by now. Any growth can be considered a huge achievement. We


are proud of it and we will take it to the doorstep. What are they not


seeing here? What are they `voiding? Isn't that fascinating. That is what


it will all be about. The two issues that I would sum up, the Tories do


not want to talk about UKIP, Nigel Farage, will he get a nomin`tion


probably in Kent, he will bd fighting the Tories. UKIP whll be a


big problem for the Conserv`tives. For Labour, the elephant in the room


is Ed Miliband's personal poll rating. Labour are doing all key in


the polls, they are picking up local authority by`election seats, but Ed


Miliband's personal rating hs still to move. UKIP will be a big worry


for you? I am happy to talk about UKIP. I am happy to explain that


what I think has changed with the UKIP vote is that when we h`d the


County Council elections thdre was clearly a huge UKIP vote, mtch


bigger than people expected and it did damage Conservatives. What has


happened since is that in Etropean elections UKIP's support has


broadened across into labour and it is up to both of us as the


mainstream parties to make the case that the vote and the choicd in the


general election is who do xou want as Prime Minister, David Caleron or


Ed Miliband. Are you worried about UKIP? Politicians have to understand


why such huge numbers of people voted UKIP and we should not dismiss


their concerns, but I am not worried about them as such. What about your


party leader? The elephant hn the room? Of course he is the rhght man


for the job. John is going on about ratings. In the opinion polls we


have been consistently ahead of the Conservatives. The other thhng John


has not mentioned, extraordhnarily, four years ago we would havd been


talking about the Liberal Ddmocrats. They are finished. They are not


competitive in the East Midlands in the East Midlands and as


Parliamentary election and peer to four years ago. It is, and there are


none of them here to defend themselves. Time for a round`up of


some of the other political stories. Fancy making history? The ptblic has


been consulted on a new Magna Carter. They're not the North MP is


leading a nationwide discussion on radical changes to our political


system. A lot of people do not know the difference between Parlhament


and Government or central Government and local Government, we ard opening


a six`month debate with the public. The constabulary have no ch`nge to


mac train their officers to get their support worked compassionate


victim support. These honourable victims will not feel intimhdated to


speak out. The head of Derbx City Council is keen to meet the public.


He is whole `` holding local sessions every month.


That is the Sunday Politics here in the East Midlands. Thank yot to my


guests. We will be back in the autumn


will keep a bit safer. That is all the time we have.


So, plenty happening in Parliament this coming week, including


a controversial bill to make so-called assisted dying legal and


Lord Carey has intervened in the assisted dying debate. Will it make


a difference? It will make a difference because we have


established in the House of Lords, I am not sure who they speak for and


why they should have a privileged position, but he was a big opponent


and has made a change of heart. The fact that the Daily Mail has printed


this shows this is a big intervention. The Bill being pushed


through, is it now on the agenda? I think it is. There are international


examples of assisted dying elsewhere. The state of Oregon


passed a Bill similar to this in the 1990s and things have not got out of


control. That has not been an expansion or abuse. It has settled


down and become part of the furniture. That makes it easier for


this Bill, to make the case for it. Religious people may still have a


principled objection but most other people have a practical objection,


which is how to put in place safeguards to deal with unscrupulous


relatives or anyone else who wants to abuse this right? Once a


controversial issue is only being opposed for practical reasons it is


on its way to getting its way. What is the division, is it the Church


against everybody else? Is it a right and left division? What is


stopping it? It is a very difficult moral issue and there are people who


can have genuinely held Christian beliefs or non-Christian beliefs who


can be on both sides. I think that the Lord Carey intervention is


potentially a game changer not just because he is a former Archbishop of


Canterbury but because he was on the Evan Jellicoe side of the Church of


England. That is quite a big move. The response was to say, please


withdraw your bell and let us have a royal Commission. The Supreme Court


kicked the ball back to Parliament when they rejected the cases of


three people who had been taking the case and said, we could say that


banning the right to life is against the European Court of Human Rights,


but it is a moral issue and an issue for Parliament. Parliament needs to


decide. The data act that is going to be pushed through Parliament In


record time. To comply with a European court judgement. Tom Watson


and David Davis, some dissent. Are you so prized with how united the


establishment, left, right and centre is? No. There is a great


quote saying this has been enacted under the something must be done act


and that captures it exactly. Even Cameron says he does not want to


look people in the eye and say that he did not do everything he could.


There is no end to the power of surveillance. It is all was about


drawing a distinction. I am always suspicious when politicians look


something up and said, we have all agreed. Are there at the centre is


right or is the political establishment right? I think the


establishment is right. I think it is stronger than other issues. We


are in a unique position where all three political parties have


relatively recent experience of government so they now that security


threats are not made up by unscrupulous people. The legislation


being proposed is not dramatic, it is to fill a gap that was created. I


do not see the political controversy. All three political


parties support it. David Davis and Liberty are against that, and always


are. Would you not have expected... The Lib Dems are in government, but


a bit more rebellion on the Labour backbenches? There is no political


controversy put outside parliament there's quite a lot of controversy


about this. My paper has taken an interest in this. It is interesting,


it does not feel, it is not a 1950s, three public school boys


setting, let us have this deal. The Liberal Democrats and Labour have


serious questions. There's going to be a sunset clause that will run out


in 2016. The Liberal Democrats, who asked pretty tough questions, have


said there are assurances. Ed Miliband did not go to public


school. For many English football fans,


tonight's World Cup final presents How do you pick


between two traditional foes Well, if you're


a political obsessive, like these three, you could always back the


nation according to how it votes. The website LabourList has produced


a political guide to the tournament. At the beginning of the tournament,


it was a fairly balanced playing field politically with 15 left wing


and 17 right-wing countries. England found themselves isolated in a group


with three left-wing countries. That was the least of their problems


There was a clear domination of democratic regimes over


authoritarian with only six of oratory and countries making it


through to the finals and the only all authoritarian tie was dubbed the


worst match of the World Cup. By the second round 16 teams remained. The


left had a clear advantage with nine, seven from the right and


authoritarian countries all but wiped out. Two representatives


remained. Both were beaten by European democracies. By the


semi-finals, all was even Stephen. A right-wing Protestant Europe taking


on Catholics South America. With one victory apiece, Germany knocking out


Brazil and Argentina beating the Dutch, tonight's final repeats that


pattern. Who will win? Angela Merkel's Germany or Argentina?


We're joined now by Britain's only Labour adviser


Should we read political significance in to the fact that the


only time England has won the World Cup was under a Labour government?


Of course. The problem is we did not qualify for Euro 2008 when it was a


Labour government. We have had some pretty shoddy results under a Labour


government. As someone under the left, are you backing Argentina


Absolutely not. I do not think it has anything to do with politics. It


is a bit of fun. People should choose it is Don Hoop plays the best


football and the Germans have been fantastic. They were great in 2 10


as well. They started this model in 2008 and that is the sort of thing


people should be supporting. Who should a Eurosceptic support? I


would not say Argentina because that is the country that has tried to


seize British sovereign territory within my lifetime. You were not


around for the Blitz. Believe it or not, I was not. There is a strong


political case to support Germany. They are probably going to win the


World Cup with a clear of -- with players of Polish origin. That sort


of cultural change they have forced themselves to go through... You talk


about them being right wing, but in fact the way that the German league


is structured, and I am an expert, is based on ownership. It is very


different from the Premier League. It is about football as a usual


good. The ticket prices are lower. The fans are involved in running the


club. It is a model that all English football clubs should emulate.


Germany had a strong football team under centre right governments and


centre left governments and a coalition. A strong football team


and a strong economy. The Conservative MP who is the arch


Eurosceptic wanted to get us out of the European Union and was for a few


weeks ago when people were making jokes about Jean-Claude Juncker he


was outraged and said you should not do that, so he could happily support


Germany. What was interesting about the authoritarian and democratic


regimes, what is great is that the World Cup is run by this open and


democratic organisation Fifa. It is similar to the EU in many regards.


Two countries led by women. Maybe gender is the thing. We did not win


under Margaret Thatcher. There's one big difference with the EU, you


cannot flog six Dom Acta gets to go to a European summit. Did you know


that Italy won two world cups under Mussolini? Can we draw any


conclusions between a political system and the performance of the


football team? You can draw certain parallels between maybe national


cliches, so the Germans are efficient and effective, which might


reflect and the English are very polite so we let everyone score


first and go into the second round. We put ourselves at the back of the


queue. Is England going to qualify for the European? We are going to


win the European Championship. The first country Scotland have to play


is Germany. What could possibly go wrong? Who is going to win? Germany.


Germany. I am going to put a few bob on Argentina. Are you going to be


watching? Absolutely. Thank you This is the last Sunday Politics


for the summer. But we'll be back in early autumn


and our first programme will be live from Scotland,


the weekend before the referendum The Daily Politics is back tomorrow


at noon and we'll bring you the last PMQs before the summer


on Wednesday morning from 11:30am. Remember, if it's Sunday,


it's the Sunday Politics, unless


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