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Welcome to the Sunday Politics, coming to you live from Edinburgh. | :00:37. | :00:43. | |
Terrorists who use the name Islamic State have carried out | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
their threat to murder the British aid worker, David Haines. | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
They released a video late last night, showing a masked man | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
beheading Mr Haines, who was taken captive in Syria 18 months ago. | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
The jihadist group have already beheaded two American journalists. | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
Now it's threatening the life of a second British hostage. | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
David Cameron described the murder as an act of pure evil. | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
President Obama said the US stood shoulder to shoulder | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
Alex Salmond says Scotland "stands on the cusp of history" as | :01:17. | :01:23. | |
he predicts a historic and substantial victory in | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
As the latest polls show the two sides neck and neck, | :01:26. | :01:34. | |
I'll ask Yes campaigner and socialist Tommy Sheridan about his | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
And after last week's last-minute interventions from Gordon Brown | :01:37. | :01:44. | |
David Cameron, Ed Miliband and big business, I'll ask | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
In the East Midlands, we have the it's enough to win over waverers. | :01:47. | :01:57. | |
In the East Midlands, we have the fastest`growing economy in the | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
country but step closer back to Parliament. Is | :02:00. | :01:59. | |
it a lame-duck administration? Late last night, as most folk were | :02:00. | :02:13. | |
preparing for bed, news broke that Islamic State extremists had carried | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
out their threat to murder the The group released a video, similar | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
to the ones in which two American journalists were decapitated, | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
showing a masked man apparently beheading Mr Haines who was taken | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
captive in Syria last year. The terrorist, | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
who has a southern British accent, also threatened the life | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
of a second hostage from the UK Mr Haines is | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
the third Westerner to be killed His family have paid tribute to | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
his humanitarian work; they say he David Cameron described the murder | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
as an act of pure evil, and said his heart went out to Mr Haines | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
family, who had shown extraordinary Mr Cameron went on to say, | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
"We will do everything in our power to hunt down these murderers | :02:53. | :03:02. | |
and ensure they face justice, Mr Haines was born in England | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
and brought up in Scotland. Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
condemned the killing on the Marr Well, it's an act of unspeakable | :03:10. | :03:26. | |
barbarism that we have seen. Obviously our condolences go to the | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
family members of David Haynes who have borne this with such fortitude | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
in recent months -- David Alex Salmond was also asked | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
whether he supported military action Haines there is no reason to believe | :03:40. | :03:48. | |
whatsoever that China or Russia or any country will see their will to | :03:49. | :03:58. | |
deal with this barbarism. There is a will for effective, international, | :03:59. | :04:00. | |
legal action but it must come in that fashion, and I would urge that | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
to be a consideration to develop a collective response to what is a | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
threat to humanity. Our security correspondent | :04:10. | :04:10. | |
Gordon Corera joins me now Gordon, as we speak, the Cobra | :04:11. | :04:23. | |
emergency meeting is meeting yet again. It meets a lot these days. I | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
would suggest that the options facing this committee and Mr Cameron | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
are pretty limited. That's right. I think they are extremely limited. | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
They have been all along in these hostage situations. We know, for | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
instance, that British government policy is not to pay ransom is to | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
kidnappers. Other Europeans states are thought to have done so to get | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
hostages released, and also not to make substantive policy concessions | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
to the groups, so while there might be contact, there won't be a lot of | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
options left. We know the US in the past has looked at rescue missions | :05:00. | :05:07. | |
and in July on operation to free the hostages, landing at the oil | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
facility in Syria but finding no one there. If you look at the options, | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
they are not great. That is the difficult situation which Cobra will | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
have been discussing the last hour. Does this make it more likely, | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
because it might have the direction the government was going in any way, | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
that we join with the Americans in perhaps the regional allies in air | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
strikes against Islamic State, not just in Iraq, but also in Syria We | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
heard from President Obama outlining his strategy against Islamic State | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
last week when he talked about building a coalition, about | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
authorising air strikes. And training troops. We are still | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
waiting to hear what exact role the UK will play in that. We know it | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
will play a role because it has been arming the fishmonger forces but the | :06:04. | :06:11. | |
question is, will it actually conduct military strikes in Iraq -- | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
arming the passion are there. We have not got a clear answer from | :06:16. | :06:28. | |
government and that is something where they are ours to discuss what | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
was around the table. It's possible we might learn some more today as a | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
result of the Cobra meeting, but I think the government will be wanting | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
to not be seen to suddenly rushed to a completely different policy as a | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
result of one incident, however terrible it is. Whether it hardens | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
their reserve -- resolved to play more active role in the coalition, | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
that's possible, but we have to wait see to get the detail. -- wait and | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
see. What the whole country would like to see would be British and | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
American special forces going in and getting these guys. I think that | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
would unite the nation. But that is very difficult, isn't it? It is As | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
you saw with a rescue mission a few months ago, the problem is getting | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
actionable intelligence on the ground at a particular moment. The | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
theory is that the group of kidnappers are moving the hostages | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
may be even every or few days, so you need intelligence and quickly | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
and then you need to be able to get the team onto the ground into that | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
time frame. That is clearly a possibility and something they will | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
be looking at, but it certainly challenging, particularly when you | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
have a group like this operating within its own state, effectively, | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
and knowing that other people are looking very hard for it and doing | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
everything they can to hide. Gordon, thank you very much. | :07:49. | :07:50. | |
Clegg dropped everything and headed to Scotland when a poll last Sunday | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
gave the YES vote its first ever lead in this prolonged referendum | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
If their reaction looked like panic, that's because it was. | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
Until last weekend, though the polls had been narrowing, | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
the consensus was still that NO would carry the day. | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
The new consensus is that it's too close to call. | :08:10. | :08:18. | |
If we look back at the beginning of the year, public opinion in Scotland | :08:19. | :08:25. | |
was fairly settled. The no campaign had a commanding lead across the | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
opinion polls, excluding the undecided voters. At one point, at | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
the end of last year, an average of 63% backed the no campaign and only | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
37% supported a yes vote. As we move into 2014 and up to this week, you | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
can see a clear trend emerging as the lead for the no campaign gets | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
narrower and narrower and the average of the most recent polls has | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
the contest hanging in the balance. There was a poll a week ago that put | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
the Yes campaign in the lead for the first time, 51% against 49%, but | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
that lead was not reflected in the other polls last week. For polls | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
were published last night, one by Salvation, for the macro-2 campaign | :09:07. | :09:17. | |
-- Better Together campaign, and there was another that gave a one | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
percentage point different. ICM have the yes campaign back in the lead at | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
54% and the no campaign at 46%, but their sample size was 705 Scottish | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
adults, smaller than usual. Another suggests that the contest remains on | :09:34. | :09:41. | |
a knife edge with 49.4% against 50.6%. When fed into the poll of | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
polls the figures average out with yes at 49% and polls -- no at 5 %. | :09:48. | :09:54. | |
But some people think 18% are undecided, and it is how they vote | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
gets -- when they get to the polling booths that could make all the | :09:59. | :09:59. | |
difference. campaigner and Respect Party MP | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
George Galloway. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. Big | :10:02. | :10:10. | |
business, big oil, big banks, the Tories, the Orange order, all | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
against Scottish independence. You sure you are on right side? Yes | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
because the interests of working people are in staying together. This | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
is a troubled moment in a marriage, a very long marriage, in which some | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
good things and bad things have been achieved together. And there is no | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
doubt that the crockery is being thrown around the house of the | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
minute. But I believe that the underlying interests of working | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
people are on working on the relationship rather than divorce. I | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
have been divorced. It's a very messy, acrimonious, bitter affair | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
and it's particularly bad for the children will stop that's why I am | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
here. You talk about working people, and particularly Scottish working | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
people, they seem to have concluded that the social democracy they want | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
to create cannot now be done in a UK context. Why should they not have a | :10:59. | :11:05. | |
shot of going it alone? Because the opposite will happen. Separation | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
will cause a race to the bottom in taxation. Alex Salmond has already | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
announced he will cut the taxes on companies, corporation tax, down to | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
3% hello whatever it is in the rest of these islands. And business will | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
only be attracted to come here, country of 5 million people on if | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
there is low regulation, low public expenditure, low levels of taxation | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
for them will stop you cannot have Scandinavian social democracy on | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
Texan levels of taxation. The British government, as will be, the | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
rest of the UK, they will race Alex Salmond to the bottom. If he cuts it | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
by three, they will cut it by four. And so on. So whether some people | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
cannot see it clearly yet or not, the interests of the working people | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
on both sides of the border would be gravely damaged by separation. Let's | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
take the interest of the working people. As you know, as well as | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
anyone, the coalition is in fermenting both a series of cuts and | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
reforms in welfare, and labour, Westminster Labour, has only limited | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
plans to reverse any of that. Surely if you want to preserve the welfare | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
state as it is, independence is the way to do it. For the reasons I just | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
explain, I don't believe that. But Ed Miliband will be along in a | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
minute. He will be along in May The polls indicate... They say he is | :12:28. | :12:34. | |
only four or 5%, that is the average. Like the referendum, the | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
next general election could be nip and tuck. I don't, myself, think | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
that the time of David Cameron as Prime Minister is for much longer. I | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
think there will be a Labour government in the spring and the | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
Labour government in London and a stronger Scottish Parliament, super | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
Devo Max, that is now on the table. That is the best arrangement of | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
people in the country. But the people of Scotland surely cannot | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
base a decision on independence on your feeling that Labour might win | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
the next general election. It is my feeling. When the Tories were beaten | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
on the bedroom tax last week in the house, it was written all over the | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
faces of the government side not only that they were headed for | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
defeat, but probably a massive fishy -- Fisher. I think the race to the | :13:26. | :13:34. | |
bottom that I have proper size will mean that the welfare state will be | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
a distant memory quite soon. The cuts and the run on the Scottish | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
economy here in Edinburgh, the financial services industry, that | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
will be gravely damage. The Ministry of Defence jobs in Scotland | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
decimated, probably ended, more or less. It will be a time of cuts and | :13:56. | :14:02. | |
austerity, maybe super austerity in an independent Scotland. You | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
mentioned defence. What about nuclear weapons? The Tories and | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
Labour will keep them. You are against them. Surely the only way to | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
be rid of them in Scotland is by independence. But you are not rid of | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
them by telling them down the river. The danger would be the same -- | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
telling them down the river. The danger would be the same. Nuclear | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
radiation does not respect Alex Salmond's national boundaries. They | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
would be committed to immediately joining NATO, which is bristling | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
with nuclear weapons and is what -- involved in wars across the | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
Atlantic. So anyone looking for a peace option will have to elect a | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
government in Britain as a whole that will get rid of nuclear weapons | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
and get out of military entanglements. We are in one again | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
now. I have been up the whole night, till 5am, dealing with some of the | :14:55. | :15:01. | |
consequences and implications of the grave international matter that you | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
opened the show with. David Haines and the fate of the hostage still in | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
their hands. There are many other hostages as well. And there are many | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
people dying who are neither British nor American. I have, somehow, been | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
drawn into this matter. And it showed me, again, that the world is | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
interdependent. It is absolutely riven with division and hatred, and | :15:27. | :15:35. | |
this is the worst possible time to be opting out of the world to set up | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
a small mini-state on the promises of Alex Salmond of social democracy | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
funded by Texan taxes. Let's, for the sake of the next question, | :15:48. | :15:49. | |
assume that everything you have told us is true. Why is your side | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
squandering a 20 point lead? I will have a great deal to say | :15:54. | :16:10. | |
about that, whatever the result This is very much a Scottish Labour | :16:11. | :16:18. | |
project, is that not a condemnation of Scottish Labour? It is | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
potentially on its deathbed. The country breaking up, the principal | :16:24. | :16:40. | |
responsibility will be on them. And the pitiful, absolutely pitiful job | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
that has been made of defending a 300-year-old relationship in this | :16:46. | :16:52. | |
island by the Scottish Labour leadership is really terrible for me | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
to behold, even though I'm no longer one of them. I don't know how they | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
are going to get out of this deathbed. Do you agree that if this | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
referendum is lost by your side it will be because traditional | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
working-class Labour voters, particularly in the west of | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
Scotland, have abundant Labour and decided to vote for independence? | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
Without a doubt, the number of Labour voters intending to vote yes | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
is disturbingly high. Even just months ago during the European | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
Parliament elections, swathes of people who didn't vote SNP will be | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
voting yes on Thursday. That is a grave squandering of a great legacy | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
of Scottish Labour history, which history will decree as | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
unforgivable. If Labour is to get out of its deathbed in Scotland it | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
will have to become Labour again. Real Labour again. I am ready to | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
help them with that. My goodness, they need help with it. I wonder if | :18:01. | :18:08. | |
it isn't just a failure of Labour in Scotland. People all over Britain | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
are increasingly fed up with the Westminster system, but it is only | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
the Scots who currently have the chance to break free from it, so why | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
shouldn't they? That is exactly right. They see a parliament of | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
expenses cheats led by Lord snooty and the Bullingdon club elite, | :18:28. | :18:34. | |
carrying through austerity for many but not for themselves and they are | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
repulsed by it. They need change, but you can go backwards and call it | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
change but it will be worse than the situation you have now. A lot of | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
Scottish people don't buy that. It is a big gamble. If I were poised to | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
put my family's life savings on the roulette table in Las Vegas, my wife | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
would not be scaremongering if she pointed out the potential | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
consequences if I'd lost. She would not be negative by telling me that | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
is my children's money I am risking. If I jumped off this roof it would | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
change my point of view, but it would be worse than the point of | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
view I have now. There is another issue here because the Scots are | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
being asked to gamble on the Westminster parties, which they are | :19:25. | :19:31. | |
already suspicious of, of delivering home rule. Alistair Darling could | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
not even tell me if Ed Balls had signed off on more income tax powers | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
for Scotland, so that is a gamble for the Scots. I feel the British | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
state has had such a shake out of all this that they would be beyond | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
idiots, they would be insane now to risk all of this flaring up again | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
because whatever happens, if we win on Thursday, it is going to be | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
narrowly. It will be a severe fissure in Scotland. A great deal of | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
unpleasantness that we are already aware of. That could turn but we're | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
still. It would be dicing with death, playing with fire, to let | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
Scottish people down after Thursday if we narrowly win. If you narrowly | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
win, and if there are moves to this home rule Mr Brown has been talking | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
about, England hasn't spoken yet on this. Whilst England would probably | :20:31. | :20:38. | |
not want to stop -- stop Scotland getting this, they would say, what | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
about us? It could delay the whole procedure. It is necessary, you are | :20:45. | :20:52. | |
right. England should have home rule, and I screamed at Scottish | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
Labour MPs going into the vote to introduce tuition fees in England. I | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
told them this was a constitutional monstrosity, as well as a crime | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
against young people in England It was risking everything. We are led | :21:09. | :21:15. | |
by idiots. Our leaders are not James Bonds, they are Austin powers. We | :21:16. | :21:22. | |
need to change the leadership, not rip up a 300-year-old marriage. | :21:23. | :21:23. | |
Thank you. It's been one of the longest and | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
hardest fought political campaigns in history, with Alex Salmond firing | :21:30. | :21:31. | |
the starting gun on the referendum Adam's been stitching together | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
the key moments of the campaign It is the other thing drawing people | :21:36. | :21:50. | |
to the Scottish parliament, the new great tapestry of Scotland. It is | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
the story of battles won and lost, Scottish moments, British moments, | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
famous Scots, and not so famous Scots. There is even a panel | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
dedicated to the rise of the SNP. Alex Salmond's majority in the | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
elections in 2011 made the referendum inevitable. It became | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
reality when he and David Cameron did a deal in Edinburgh one year | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
later. The Scottish Government set out its plans for independence in | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
this book, just a wish list to some, a sacred text to others. This White | :22:27. | :22:35. | |
Paper is the most detailed improvements that any people have | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
ever been offered in the world as a basis for becoming an independent | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
country. The no campaign, called Better Together, united the Tories, | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
Labour and the Lib Dems under the leadership of Alistair Darling. Then | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
the Scottish people were bombarded with two years of photo | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
opportunities and a lot of campaigning. For the no campaign, | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
Jim Murphy went on tour but took a break when he was egged and his | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
events were often hijacked by yes campaigners who were accused of | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
being intimidating. In turn, they accused the no campaign of using | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
scare tactics. Things heated up when the TV dinner -- during the TV | :23:19. | :23:26. | |
debate. Fever pitch was reached one week ago when one poll suggested the | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
yes campaign was in the lead for the first time. The three main | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
Westminster leaders ditched PMQs to head north. I think people can feel | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
it is like a general election, that you make a decision and five years | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
later you can make another decision if you are fed up with the Tories, | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
give them a kick... This is totally different. And Labour shelved not | :23:50. | :23:58. | |
quite 100 MPs onto the train, Alex Salmond took a helicopter instead. | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
This is about the formation of the NHS. A big theme of the yes campaign | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
is that changes to the NHS in Linden -- in England would lead to | :24:10. | :24:20. | |
privatisation in Scotland. Alex Salmond's plan to share the pound | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
was trashed by big names. There were other big question is, what would | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
happen to military hardware like Trident based on the Clyde? Would an | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
independent Scotland be able to join the EU? And how much oil was left | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
underneath the North Sea? This panel is about famous Scots, we | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
have Annie Lennox, Stephen Hendry, Sean Connery. I cannot see Gordon | :24:46. | :24:52. | |
Brown. These are big changes we are proposing to strengthen the Scottish | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
parliament, but at the same time to stay as part of the UK. A regular on | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
the campaign, he was front and centre when things got close, | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
unveiling a timetable for more devolution. People wondered whether | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
Ed Miliband was able to reach the parts of Scotland Labour leader | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
should reach, and at Westminster some Tories pondered whether David | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
Cameron could stay as prime minister if there was a yes vote. This | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
tapestry is nonpartisan so it is a good place to get away from it all | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
but it is crystallising voters' views. Look at what we have | :25:29. | :25:40. | |
contributed to Great Britain, and I am British and I hope to be staying | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
British. This is what people from Scotland have done, taken to the | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
rest of the world in many cases and I think I am going to vote yes. I am | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
so inspired by it. It has certainly inspired me to have a go at | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
stitching. How long do you think it would take to do the whole thing? I | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
would say to put aside maybe 30 hours of stitching. Maybe by the | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
time I am done, we will know more about how the fabric of the nation | :26:05. | :26:06. | |
might be changing. And I've been joined | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
by yes campaigner and convenor of Scotland's Solidarity socialist | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
party, Tommy Sheridan. An economy dependent on oil, the | :26:14. | :26:25. | |
Queen as head of state, membership of the world 's premier nuclear | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
alliance of capitalist nations is that the socialist Scotland you are | :26:31. | :26:41. | |
fighting for? No, that is the SNP's prospectus and they are entitled to | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
put forward their vision, but it is not mine or that of the majority of | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
Scotland. We will find out in two years. On Thursday we are not voting | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
for a political party, we are voting for our freedom as a country. That | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
is why people are going to vote yes on Thursday. A lot of people are | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
voting for what you call freedom because they think it will be more | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
Scotland. You have already got free prescriptions, no tuition fees, free | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
care for the elderly. You might not in future have that if public | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
spending is overdependent on the price of oil, over which you have no | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
control. We don't have to worry about one single resource, we | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
already have 20% of the fishing stock in Europe. We already have 25% | :27:30. | :27:36. | |
of the wind, wave and solar power generation. We, as an independent | :27:37. | :27:47. | |
country, have huge resources, natural resources but also people | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
resources. We have five first-class universities, food and beverages | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
industry which is the envy of the world. We have the ability to | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
produce the resources on the revenues that won't just maintain | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
the health service and education but it will develop health and | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
education. I don't want to stand still, I want to redistribute | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
wealth. But all of the projections of public spending for an | :28:14. | :28:20. | |
independent Scotland show that to keep spending at the current level | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
you need a strong price of oil and you are dependent on this commodity | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
which goes up and down and sideways. That is a gamble. I have got to | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
laugh because I have been told the most pessimistic is that in 40 years | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
the oil is running out, panic stations! If you were told by the | :28:40. | :28:46. | |
BBC you could only guarantee employment for the next 40 years you | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
would be over the moon. I am talking about in the next five. You need 50% | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
of your revenues to come from oil to continue spending and that is not a | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
guarantee. Of course it is, the minimum survival of the oil is 0 | :29:03. | :29:09. | |
years. Please get your viewers to go onto the Internet and look at the | :29:10. | :29:24. | |
website called oilandgas.com. The West Coast has 100 years of oil to | :29:25. | :29:30. | |
be extracted. It hasn't been done because in 1981 Michael Heseltine | :29:31. | :29:33. | |
said we cannot extract the oil because we have Trident going up and | :29:34. | :29:41. | |
down there. Let's get rid of Trident and extract the oil. You are a trot | :29:42. | :29:51. | |
right, why have you failed to learn his famous dictum, socialism in one | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
country is impossible. Revolutions and change are not just single | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
event. What will happen here on Thursday is a democratic revolution. | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
The people are fed up of being patronised and lied to by this mob | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
in Westminster who have used and abused us for far too long. The | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
smaller people now have a voice What about socialism in one | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
country? Mr Trotsky warned you against that. The no campaign | :30:21. | :30:30. | |
represents the past. The yes campaign represents the future. That | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
is the truth of the matter. What we are going to do in an independent | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
Scotland is tackle inequality and a scourge of low pay. If we vote no on | :30:40. | :30:46. | |
Thursday, there will be more low pay on Friday, more poverty and food | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
banks on Friday. I'm not going to be lectured by these big banks, you | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
vote less -- yes and we will leave the country! The food banks will be | :30:59. | :31:06. | |
the ones closing. If you got your way, for the type of Scotland you | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
would like to see, state control of business, nationalisation of the | :31:12. | :31:17. | |
Manx, the roads to Carlisle will be clogged with people | :31:18. | :31:24. | |
Yes, hoping to come into Scotland, because in their hearts, the | :31:25. | :31:32. | |
Scottish people know that England want to see the people having the | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
bottle. The working class people in Liverpool, Newcastle, outside of | :31:38. | :31:40. | |
London, they are saying good on the jocks that are taking on big | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
business. When we are independent and investing in social housing the | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
people of England will say, we can do that as well, and they will | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
rediscover the radical tradition. In wanting to build socialism in one | :31:54. | :31:56. | |
country, it really means you are fighting for the few, rather than | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
the many. You are bailing out of the socialist Battle for Britain. You | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
think it will be easier to make it work. Think globally, act locally | :32:05. | :32:12. | |
and we will build socialism in Scotland but I wanted across the | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
world. I won my brothers and sisters in England and Wales to be | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
encouraged by what we do so they can reject the Westminster consensus as | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
well -- I want. We had the three Stooges coming up to London, three | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
millionaires united on one thing, austerity. Doesn't matter whether Ed | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
Miliband wins the next election he said he would stick to the story | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
spending cuts. Why vote for Ed Miliband? You wouldn't trust him to | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
run a bath, not a country. Let's see if this is realistic, this great | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
socialist vision. At the last Scottish election, the Socialist | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
party got 8000 votes. The Conservatives got 30 times more | :32:51. | :32:56. | |
votes. Where is the appetite in Scotland for your Marxist ideology | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
question we might not win it. But do you know what, see in two years | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
time. See when we have the Scottish general election. You won't -- you | :33:04. | :33:18. | |
are saying you might win and you went to the Holyrood election and | :33:19. | :33:24. | |
got 8000 Pope -- votes. The SNP won a democratic election and then won | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
the 2011 election and you know why they won? Because they picked up the | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
clothes that the Labour Party has thrown away. They picked up the | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
close of social democracy and protecting the health service was -- | :33:36. | :33:43. | |
service. There are people in the SNP who believe in public ownership and | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
people in the SNP who believe in the NHS should be written into a | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
constitution as never for sale people in the the SNP that think the | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
Royal mail should return to public ownership. That is there in black | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
and white. Do you agree with George Galloway that this is potentially a | :34:00. | :34:02. | |
crisis for Scottish Labour? Scottish Labour is finished. They are | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
absolutely finished. George is right in that. Scottish Labour is | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
finished. The irony of ironies is, Labour in Scotland has more chance | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
of recovery in an independent Scotland that they have in a no | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
vote. Labour in Scotland in an independent country will have to | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
rediscover the traditions of Keir Hardie, the ideas of Jimmy Maxon, | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
because right now, they are to the right of the SNP as a political | :34:30. | :34:36. | |
party. I understand the socialist vision, but it is where the appetite | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
is. And you look at the independence people in Scotland. One of your | :34:41. | :34:46. | |
colleagues, Brian Souter, a man who fought against the appeal -- repeal | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
of homosexual rights in Scotland. Another of your allies would seem to | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
be Rupert Murdoch, the man who engineered your downfall. You say he | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
engineered your downfall, but I m still here and his newspaper has | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
closed. Whether it Rupert Murdoch, Brian Souter, or any other | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
millionaire supporting independence, I couldn't care less. This boat on | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
Thursday is not about millionaires, it is about the millions. -- this | :35:16. | :35:22. | |
vote. We will not be abused any young -- longer. Would you rather | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
not have their support? I couldn't care about the support. You know who | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
is supporting the union. It is the unions of the big businesses, the | :35:33. | :35:35. | |
BNP, UKIP, they are the ones who support it. You are giving me a | :35:36. | :35:43. | |
stray that has wandered into the campaign and are you seriously going | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
to argue with me that the establishment isn't united to try | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
and save the union? That is what they are trying to be. The BBC, you | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
have been a disgrace in your coverage of the campaign. Not you | :35:56. | :35:58. | |
personally. You don't have editorial control. The BBC coverage, | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
generally, has been a disgrace and the people. Oil and gas, go and look | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
at that, why is that not feature. Why is the idea of 100 years of oil | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
not featured in the campaign. Because the BBC does not want to see | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
it. Are you getting in your excuses if you lose? You better be kidding. | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
Is this the face of somebody looking to lose. We are going to win, 6 /40. | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
Absolutely. There is a momentum that you guys are not seeing on the | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
working-class housing estates. Working class people are fed up | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
being taken for granted fed up with the lives of people dragging us into | :36:38. | :36:45. | |
tax cuts, bedroom tax for the poor. They will have power on Thursday, | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
and they will use it and vote for freedom. Are you happy with the way | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
the BBC has treated you today? So far, yes. I have still not been | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
offered a Coffey, but that might happen. That is an obvious example | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
In the East Midlands, our economy you later with George Galloway. | :37:04. | :37:25. | |
In the East Midlands, our economy leads the UK economy but who is | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
feeling the benefit? There are a number of reasons, a | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
recovering economy, governmdnt investment as well as our own, they | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
have all played their part hn solidifying the economic recovery. I | :37:41. | :37:48. | |
am hearing not, I am feeling better off, people are actually fedling | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
sort of desperate as well. Forget the Scottish vote, is it time | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
for the East Midlands to go it alone? | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
Might it be worth the East Lidlands going for independent? Independent | :38:03. | :38:11. | |
Care Group `` kingdom of thd East Midlands, sounds good, doesn't it? | :38:12. | :38:18. | |
Let's take a look at the news that the East Midlands has some of the | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
worst care homes in the country according to a new report. | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and Leicestershire came in the bottom | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
ten when it came to failing care home inspections. In Nottinghamshire | :38:32. | :38:37. | |
36% have failed tests, in Ddrbyshire one third failed and in | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
Leicestershire it was 20%. Nottinghamshire county council say | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
the figures are not a fair reflection because they havd a | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
robust reporting system so problems are more likely to be reported. Liz, | :38:49. | :38:55. | |
you Labour's Care Minister, on the face of it these figures ard | :38:56. | :39:04. | |
worrying. `` you are. Anybody with an elderly relative at home will be | :39:05. | :39:11. | |
worried. We need to look at improving the training of the care | :39:12. | :39:19. | |
workforce, have robust systdms to make sure that problems are rooted | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
out, and make sure that people who run failing care homes can't set | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
them up somewhere else. I would like to see a stronger role for local | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
councils, who are often closer to the care homes. Notts Countx council | :39:31. | :39:39. | |
said it was misleading to s`y that the homes failed inspections because | :39:40. | :39:47. | |
the tests look at a wide range of issues. Have I got a point? I am | :39:48. | :39:55. | |
always in favour of openness and transparency because I think you can | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
flush out problems and deal with them but we need to have proper care | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
standards, proper qualifications and skills and real mechanisms to hold | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
care providers to account. Ht sounds like it is bad news for people | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
involved in care in the East Midlands. It should be of concern to | :40:13. | :40:21. | |
all of us. We are all getting older. Shouldn't the government be doing | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
more to help people? The minister in charge is going to set up a new | :40:28. | :40:35. | |
inspection regime starting next year. That is going to be f`r more | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
rigorous and I think it will give people confidence. I have vhsited | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
care homes in my constituency, they are generally well`run, thex have | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
caring staff, but if they are not they need to be scrutinised. In a | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
lot of cases these are Labotr authorities. I want to come back to | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
this point that Andrew said, yes, we need a tough and effective | :41:02. | :41:04. | |
regulation system but regul`tion happens after the event, yot want to | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
prevent the problem is happdning. I think we should see a proper system | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
to make sure that the managdrs have the skills and qualifications they | :41:15. | :41:17. | |
need, we need to look at tr`ining of the care workforce am and I think | :41:18. | :41:24. | |
all councils can look at having a real care standards. Our region has | :41:25. | :41:35. | |
the fastest jobs growth and fastest`growing GDP but doubts | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
remain about whether people are feeling the benefits in wagd packets | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
and job security, because wd have had the biggest fall in wagds in the | :41:43. | :41:49. | |
country. It is go, go, go for the East | :41:50. | :41:58. | |
Midlands economy. Anna Lo powered series starting this weekend is | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
based at Donington Park. More than 150 high`tech jobs, the latdst boost | :42:04. | :42:12. | |
for the area. We have government support through the loan scheme that | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
helped will these schemes, `nd major commitment from the company have | :42:19. | :42:25. | |
played their part in solidifying economic recovery. Donington Park is | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
not the only winner in the dconomy because the East Midlands is | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
expected to be the fastest region when it comes to job growth in the | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
coming year. Figures out thhs week show that in the first thred months | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
of the year the region was hn top gear. While Leicestershire was in | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
pole position, the city of Leicester was in danger of being lappdd. The | :42:47. | :42:52. | |
number of people claiming ott of work benefits has fallen | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
dramatically but the number of people actually in work has also | :42:57. | :43:05. | |
fallen. Gemma, `` Gemma has felt little economic improvement in her | :43:06. | :43:11. | |
household. My husband wants to work but it is not realistic. Evdn | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
clothing my children is mord expensive. Across`the`board, | :43:16. | :43:23. | |
economic indicators in Leicdster West are worse for women th`n men | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
when compared to the British average. The jobs many women want | :43:29. | :43:36. | |
are in short supply and, whhle nationally only 6% of women are | :43:37. | :43:42. | |
self`employed, here the figtre is so low it doesn't register in the | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
government figures. I have been looking for work for four ydars and | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
it is really difficult, I think more difficult for women because you have | :43:51. | :43:56. | |
to juggle the children and work Are lots of people finding it dhfficult | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
to find work? I work with a lot of people in the community and I am | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
hearing not, I feel better off, some people are actually feeling sort of | :44:07. | :44:09. | |
desperate as well. Business confidence is high but the wheels | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
will need to spin a bit faster before everybody else feels | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
confident about the economy. There is no doubt the econoly is | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
growing and the East Midlands is doing far better than most. I am | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
really pleased we are finally seeing growth coming back, I would have | :44:29. | :44:31. | |
liked to have seen it earlidr but it is good news. As I think yot saw, | :44:32. | :44:39. | |
the question is whether people are really feeling the benefit. The | :44:40. | :44:42. | |
difficulty is that, with prhces rising much faster than wagds, and | :44:43. | :44:53. | |
that having happened for fotr years, ordinary people are not seehng the | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
benefit. In north`west Leicestershire we got hit in | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
Labour's great recession, a 10% reduction... Caused by the banking | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
crisis that happened across the world. Wages took three years to | :45:08. | :45:22. | |
recover from their 2008 levdls. They dropped by 6.7%, the biggest in the | :45:23. | :45:30. | |
country. It recovered three years later and it is growing, | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
unemployment is down at 2%, we have seen a 14% reduction in my | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
constituency, and youth unelployment is down 50%. Do you deny we have the | :45:41. | :45:49. | |
worst figures for wages? Wage growth with an unemployment rate of 2% | :45:50. | :45:57. | |
would be quite good. It was 3.6 against 3.2% across the UK. The big | :45:58. | :46:05. | |
question for the future is, are we going to have an economy whdre | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
everybody shares in the bendfits of more jobs and growth and businesses | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
being more successful, or are we going to end up competing in a low | :46:15. | :46:22. | |
skill, low wage economy? Much of the growth is coming from retail and | :46:23. | :46:27. | |
distribution. Yes, about a third of the jobs in my constituency are | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
related to distribution bec`use we have very good communications and an | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
airport... We really do need good, decent jobs, high skill, high wage. | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
There is so much more we cotld do. Those jobs do exist, we saw in the | :46:45. | :46:50. | |
report the manufacturing sector We are doing that by reforming the | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
schools, when I came into office in 2010, over 15% of my workforce had | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
no formal qualifications. That is down to just over 8%. I think we | :47:01. | :47:08. | |
need something far bigger and bolder if we are really going to stcceed in | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
the East Midlands and as a country. As we have proposed, we need to see | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
much more power down to the regions and the cities, to link togdther the | :47:19. | :47:25. | |
universities and get the right infrastructure in place, tr`nsform | :47:26. | :47:38. | |
skills. An undoubtedly therd is going to be pressure on wagds in | :47:39. | :47:48. | |
constituencies like mine. In Leicestershire there are far more | :47:49. | :47:49. | |
jobs available than people unemployed. We need better | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
communication links between city and county so that those people in the | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
city who do not have a job can take the jobs in the county. The only way | :47:58. | :48:03. | |
we are going to get the infrastructure, not just thd | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
transport but the skills, wd need much more power and control down to | :48:08. | :48:14. | |
the East Midlands. Also it hs the attitude of the local counchls. | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
North`west Leicestershire, the county council, they are | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
pro`business and it is a welcoming place for businesses. I am not sure | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
that attitude is being shown in the city. Absolute rubbish, we `re | :48:28. | :48:34. | |
passionate about supporting businesses, transforming skhlls | :48:35. | :48:40. | |
They obviously don't believd you. We are making phenomenal improvements | :48:41. | :48:50. | |
in our skills... Rather than descend into a party political row, there is | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
a big question, which is wh`t you are seeing in the East Midl`nds is | :48:56. | :48:58. | |
mirrored across the country, some places doing well, others not. We | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
will only succeed if we all do well together. End of the party political | :49:04. | :49:11. | |
broadcast. Never mind the Scottish refdrendum, | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
maybe it is time to think about an independent East Midlands. Robert | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
Shaw has written a book explaining how the East Midlands has ghven the | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
world gravity, the Industri`l Revolution and even sex, cotrtesy of | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
the H Lawrence. We asked hil how his vision would look. `` DH Lawrence. | :49:31. | :49:42. | |
This is the southernmost pohnt that a Scottish army has ever cole in | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
England. Legend has it that Bonnie Prince Charlie looked at thd East | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
Midlands people and knew thdre was no way he would get passed. Like | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
Scotland, the East Midlands does not always get the recognition ht | :49:57. | :50:02. | |
deserves, so might it be worth the East Midlands going for | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
independence? An independent kingdom of the East Midlands, sounds good, | :50:07. | :50:12. | |
doesn't it? But why would wd want to be independent and who are we | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
anyway? Most people here don't really know. This is from a tourist | :50:17. | :50:21. | |
board survey night by the E`st Midlands tourist board, which does | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
not exist any more. Correspondents summed it up as industrial, built | :50:27. | :50:32. | |
up, heavily propagated, busx, no countryside, not touristy, `n | :50:33. | :50:41. | |
romantic. `` not romantic. Ht is obviously not true but how do we | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
change these attitudes. The first thing we can do is take control of | :50:47. | :50:54. | |
the M1. Charge people to usd it at each end and bring the country to | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
its knees. Because we are the Midlands we need a coastlind so | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
let's make a grab for Skegndss. We would have an excellent source of | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
fish and also we would have somewhere to go on holiday. How | :51:09. | :51:16. | |
about jobs? We have everythhng an independent nation needs, v`st | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
mineral resources, we could reopen the pits. North Nottinghamshire is | :51:22. | :51:31. | |
rich in shale gas. How about reopening the knitwear factories? | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
There was a time that peopld in England had nothing else to wear. | :51:37. | :51:43. | |
From Derbyshire we could have Robert Lindsay as head of state from | :51:44. | :51:48. | |
Leicestershire, Gary Lineker, and from Nottinghamshire Rebecc` | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
Adlington. As for the issue of currency, we would not borrow with | :51:53. | :52:03. | |
the pound, we would use the medieval ducat. We would need a propdr | :52:04. | :52:06. | |
national flag. What is disthnct about the Midlands is that ht is in | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
the middle so we could have a design that was all middle and no ddge As | :52:12. | :52:22. | |
for national dress... That hs easy. So there you have it. Polithcally, | :52:23. | :52:29. | |
economically, culturally, the East Midlands has everything it needs to | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
be its own country. Next tile a Scottish army arrives at thhs bridge | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
it is going to show its passport if it wants to get into the independent | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
kingdom of the East Midlands. Robert Shaw, tongue firmly hn cheek. | :52:43. | :52:47. | |
But of course there is a serious side to the debate. We are joined by | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
Melanie Powell, and in? An dconomist from Derby University. If Scotland | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
was to become independent, would it make any difference to us hdre? | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
There are two macro elements, the short term and the uncertainty. `` | :53:05. | :53:20. | |
two elements. Companies that are trading with Scotland could see a | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
short`term problem there. There may be an effect on sterling and a | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
further depreciation, which, of course, can effect export companies | :53:31. | :53:41. | |
and benefit import companies. `` aspect. Even if there is a no vote | :53:42. | :53:52. | |
there is still uncertainty. With a yes vote there would be a htge | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
shift. Would things change hf there was a no vote? Yes, because even if | :53:57. | :54:02. | |
there is the debate is going to change about regional power and the | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
English Parliament that doesn't exist. As nurses have to de`l with | :54:08. | :54:13. | |
that and they have to deal with how that might effect growth in the | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
economy. I think a no vote will not be so damaging, with a yes vote | :54:19. | :54:27. | |
there will be severe uncert`inty. Our MPs have been up to Scotland, | :54:28. | :54:35. | |
how was it? It is a really tough campaign, people are really engaged, | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
everybody knows it is happening people are talking about thd | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
arguments. People feel passhonately on the doorstep, they want to | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
engage. I think politically that is a good thing that it is going to go | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
to the wire and I know that myself and my Labour colleagues will be | :54:55. | :54:57. | |
fighting every step to keep the union. I felt that it is polarising | :54:58. | :55:06. | |
and becoming slightly aggressive in parts between the yes and no | :55:07. | :55:12. | |
campaigners. It is a bit of a civil war and they can be quite bloody. | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
What does it mean for your constituents, do you think they are | :55:18. | :55:31. | |
in gauge to buy it? `` engaged by it. I think there will be a further | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
debate about devolution of controls throughout the rest of the TK and I | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
think that is right. People want to have more of a say and more control | :55:40. | :55:46. | |
over their lives. In the short term it will have an impact. It hs this | :55:47. | :55:54. | |
uncertainty you were saying. How will that be felt in your areas I | :55:55. | :56:01. | |
think there is a backlash on the government backbenches. We | :56:02. | :56:03. | |
understand that David Cameron wants to keep the union together but by | :56:04. | :56:13. | |
offering devolution max, it seems that Ed Miliband has had more to do | :56:14. | :56:16. | |
with this than the backbenches. If we are not careful we will love to a | :56:17. | :56:26. | |
situation where heads, Alex Salmond wins, tales, England loses. There is | :56:27. | :56:37. | |
not just this risk and uncertainty, there is the risk and uncertainty of | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
our membership of the Europdan Union, which companies and | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
businesses are very concerndd about. I understand that the conservatives | :56:49. | :56:55. | |
don't like the risk of uncertainty surrounding Scottish independence | :56:56. | :57:01. | |
but they don't care about this uncertainty. If it is a no vote but | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
only small one, I don't think that will get the question of thd table. | :57:08. | :57:13. | |
Melanie, are we being compl`cent about the prospect of a yes vote? | :57:14. | :57:23. | |
Should as Mrs have a plan rdady `` businesses have. Absolutely, if you | :57:24. | :57:30. | |
are trading internationally or in Scotland you have two considered the | :57:31. | :57:37. | |
risk. The cost of dealing whth the uncertainty will rise as thd | :57:38. | :57:42. | |
uncertainty rises. If you are buying strawberries from Scotland xou might | :57:43. | :57:54. | |
think, if there is a yes vote, will it be certain that Scotland will | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
stay in the Euro? If not, m`ybe we should be Retera off planning to buy | :58:00. | :58:12. | |
from Spain. `` be better off. Which way do you think it will go? That is | :58:13. | :58:19. | |
a tough question. We were t`lking earlier about this. There is the | :58:20. | :58:25. | |
psychology of decision making, most people are risk averse. Thex have | :58:26. | :58:34. | |
the choice between certaintx and the uncertainty of the future and I | :58:35. | :58:37. | |
think in the vote box a lot of people will shift towards the no. | :58:38. | :58:43. | |
Time for a round`up of some of the other political stories in the East | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
Midlands. We might not get independence but | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
could we see one leader for all of our police forces. The Chief | :58:53. | :59:02. | |
Constable of Nottinghamshird says the region should have thred forces. | :59:03. | :59:09. | |
Overall health levels in thd county are good but there are pockdts of | :59:10. | :59:15. | |
ill health. The Labour group ruling | :59:16. | :59:20. | |
Nottinghamshire county council says it is business as usual despite | :59:21. | :59:29. | |
losing its overall majority. One councillor resigned in protdst over | :59:30. | :59:34. | |
cuts and they only had a majority of one. | :59:35. | :59:39. | |
Two Nottinghamshire MPs say they will give away a pay rise to MPs' | :59:40. | :59:45. | |
salaries. They say they will give the money to good causes. | :59:46. | :59:55. | |
Have you spent your pay risd ready? Definitely not, don't think it | :59:56. | :59:58. | |
should be given, will continue to fight against it. I am sure my | :59:59. | :00:07. | |
ex`wife will find a use for it. The last time a sewer was built in | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
London was 150 years ago, otherwise we would have a dirty River Thames. | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
Andrew, back to you. Can | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
the No campaign still pull it off? And even if they do is the whole | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
of the UK now on the brink I'm joined now by John McTernan | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
former adviser to Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, Alex Bell, | :00:33. | :00:49. | |
former Head of Policy for the SNP and Lindsay McIntosh, the | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
Times Scottish Political Editor And I'm delighted that Tommy | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
and George have stayed too. No fighting has broken out either. | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
Where No fighting has broken out either. | :01:01. | :01:09. | |
have three full days to go No fighting has broken out either. | :01:10. | :01:09. | |
polling day. What is the state of play? I think the poll of polls is | :01:10. | :01:17. | |
accurate. 49 and 51%. What is vital is to bring the undecided voters in, | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
and they properly have about 500,000. I think there are a lot of | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
undecided people. I think they know which way they are leaning, but they | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
haven't jumped. The hope of the no campaign is that they will go for | :01:31. | :01:37. | |
the status quo on Thursday. How do you assess the state of the campaign | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
now? The crucial thing is the big swing. The swing has come towards | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
yes, so will the momentum carry it over the line? I will think it does, | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
because it is an antiestablishment swell, and its people responding to | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
standard Western as the politicians and saying that they want a new way | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
-- Westminster politicians. I think that yes will sneak it. A referendum | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
can be more important than a general election, and the Yes campaign have | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
had the momentum. This was the week the momentum stopped. We started the | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
week looking as though yes were going into the lead and then it | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
stopped and most of the recent polls show a distinct lead for the no | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
campaign. A distinct lead? It is one or two points. It is six in one | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
poll, two in another, aiding another. The poll of polls is a good | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
way of measuring, and is it statistically Nick -- nip and tuck? | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
It is the week the momentum stopped. About a fifth of the electorate | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
That will be a quarter of the turnout have voted already, by | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
postal vote, and they are running very strongly towards no, so there | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
is a whole bank of votes there. The postal votes are skewed to the over | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
60s, and that is the demographic that the Yes campaign have had the | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
biggest trouble with. Absolutely, the Yes campaign faced a challenge | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
amongst the 16 and 18-year-olds and always based challenge with the | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
older voters. Trust me, I was the decision the day the civil servants | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
made it possible for the 16 to 18-year-olds to vote, and we said | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
there was a victory for the no campaign in that alone. The young | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
tend to be conservative by nature. I think again that to say that the | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
momentum has stopped when you had a 20 point lead, this is a referendum | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
whether people will speak and they will be heard. Except for the one | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
poll which needs a huge health warning because of the size of the | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
sample, the momentum is unquestionably all the way through | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
August is going in the direction of yes. It hasn't quite continue to get | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
to the 55/45 four yes that Alex Salmond thinks will be the result. I | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
would agree with John. This was the momentum stalled. We saw the three | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
leaders coming up, and that kept Alex Salmond off the front pages on | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
the television and we had a raft of economic warnings which, although | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
they were dismissed as scaremongering, they will have had a | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
lot of traction with voters. What does the no campaign have to do in | :04:17. | :04:24. | |
the final three days? It has to focus on the undecided, | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
relentlessly. It has to do stick to the question of risk and keep | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
pushing back on Alex Salmond to say it doesn't matter if the banks | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
leave, it will all be all right on the night. The huge question amongst | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
the undecided voters is about the economy. It is about jobs and | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
currency, about business. That risk is what will crystallise in the | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
ballot box on Thursday and that has to be the focus. What does the Yes | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
campaign have to do? It has to drive home that the swing to the Yes | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
campaign is motivated by people who want a different politics. They have | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
decided amongst themselves that they want to change Scotland. The | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
unfortunate thing is, even though the no campaign has had the chance | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
to put up after proposals, they have failed. The Scottish people want | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
their powers were a purpose and they say that only the Yes campaign can | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
deliver that. There will be two days of relentless campaigning from | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
today, Monday and Tuesday, then the media, the newspapers, including | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
your own, will come out with the final poll, the ones that will be | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
the closest to the day that the Scots actually go and vote. I think | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
we will see more polling this week, but what is interesting is the | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
extent to which the pollsters are picking up what is going on in the | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
street. We know we have a huge number of voters who have never | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
voted before and are not engage with politics, so what will they do? The | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
third candidate in the election if I can would in this way, are the | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
polls. They might have a lot of questions to answer on Friday | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
morning. We were talking earlier with George and Tommy about the | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
Labour Party's consequences in all of this. Gordon Brown, of course, | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
has had a bit of a second coming as a result of this referendum. I just | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
want to play a clip of Gordon Brown during the campaign and get a | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
reaction. And I say this to Alex Salmond himself. Up until today I am | :06:14. | :06:22. | |
outside front line politics. If he continues to peddle this deception, | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
that the Scottish Parliament under his leadership, and he cannot do | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
anything to improve the health service until he has a separate | :06:31. | :06:37. | |
state, then I will want to join Joe Hanlon want in and securing the | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
return of a Labour government as quickly as possible -- Johann | :06:41. | :06:48. | |
Lamont. That was seen by some people as Gordon Brown implying he might | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
stand for the Scottish Parliament. Whether it is yes or no, is Gordon | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
Brown the saviour of Scottish Labour? I did a double black the | :06:55. | :07:01. | |
other night -- double act with him the other night, and I must say he | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
was a big beast all over again. He crossed the stage Meli dealt with | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
the audience brilliantly. He has a certain presence, Gordon Brown, but | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
he would really have to reinvent himself quite considerably. He is | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
capable of doing, but the man who was the biographer of Jimmy Maxton, | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
who pulled together the original red paper on Scotland, he would have to | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
be that Gordon Brown rather than the Gordon Brown of some more melancholy | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
events later. Tommy, you have both been critical of the state of the | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
Scottish Labour Party. Rather than looking to Gordon Brown, which might | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
be an interim solution, doesn't Scottish Labour have to find a new | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
generation of people to reignite it? What George and I are agreed on and | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
you have to remember this question of independence see us disagreeing | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
passionately, and in most other things we find ourselves in | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
agreement, one thing is clear, Scottish Labour is finished. They | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
have lost the heart and soul of Scotland. The fact that we are | :08:01. | :08:07. | |
discussing with four days to go an independence referendum that is neck | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
and neck, Labour have failed miserably, absolutely miserably | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
because they have given up everything they stood for. The SNP | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
has picked it up. They have just taken on the bank -- mantle of a | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
left of centre party and are picking up support. Gordon and the rest in | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
my opinion, they represent the past. The yes vote on the Yes campaign | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
represents the future. What do you say to that? There is nothing | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
socialist about an SNP that wants to cut business tax by 3% in the pan. | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
There is nothing socialist about an SNP destroying further education so | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
they can give middle-class people free education. The Labour Party is | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
alive and kicking. You can see if it is Gordon Brown, or Jim Murphy with | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
the 100 days tour. But I hesitate to use this word, but they are kind of | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
privatised from the Scottish Labour Party. They have rode their own | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
fallow. Jim Murphy was on the stump because official Scottish Labour did | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
not want him leading their campaign. Gordon Brown was, I think, kept off | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
the stage until it became so critical that he had to be brought | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
back. I agree with John, the SNP talks left but acts right. That is | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
before they get state powers. That is what is exciting about the | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
referendum, it's not about the SNP, it's about the people deciding. What | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
we have heard so far in the referendum campaign is that there is | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
a desperate yearning in the electorate for real politics, | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
purposeful politics and for the people to be represented. It is | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
probably to the eternal shame of labour that they gave up that role | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
and other people are now taking it upon themselves. How would you | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
assess the state of the Labour Party? The problem is that it was | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
demolished by the SNP in 2011 and what they should have done since | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
then and in other circumstances is take a real look within themselves | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
and brought forward new talent and policies and watch out what they | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
stood for. They've been unable to do that because they are locked in a | :10:06. | :10:11. | |
constitutional row. It is the plan of the Nationalists to fight the | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
first Scottish general election as an independent nation as a | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
nationalist party with its own programme. You don't all go your own | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
way. Why don't you do that? You have more on your main reason to be, so | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
why not go, left, right and centre question you are presuming you don't | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
go the one-way. I do not see the function of the SNP after the yes | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
vote. I think it is clear that there is an SNP under Nicola Sturgeon an | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
SNP which attracts votes from the left and that is the one for me | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
Whether that is called the SNP or something else, I don't know. I | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
think the assumption that we are going into a mirror of old politics | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
in a new world is just fundamentally flawed. That is interesting. Let's | :10:52. | :10:59. | |
just bring in the English dimensional. In many ways, England | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
has not spoken in this referendum campaign. Whether it is yes or no, | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
it will, and to give you a flavour of what some in England might be | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
thinking was saying, here is a clip from John Redwood. We are fed up | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
with this lopsided devolution, this unfair devolution. Scotland gets | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
first-class Devolution, Wales gets second-class devolution and England | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
gets nothing. If Wales wants the same as us, they should have it and | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
then there would be commonality so we could discuss and decide in our | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
own countries, in our own assemblies in Parliament, all those things that | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
are devolved. George, it was clear that if Scotland voted yes for | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
independence it has huge implications for England than the | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
UK, but it's also clear particularly after Gordon Brown's intervention, | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
even if it is no, it has huge applications. You are, I suggest, | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
agreeing with John Redwood that there should be an English boys It | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
would be a step too far for me to agree with him -- English voice I | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
appreciate I might have gone out on a limb. He is the voice of Mars the | :12:04. | :12:10. | |
Balkan from Mars. My own constituents in Bradford are asking, | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
what about us? All these things being done, all the extra mile is | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
being travel to Scotland, what about us? Labour would be well advised to | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
adjust quickly on this so that the John Redwood types do not steal the | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
show. England has yes to use -- yet to speak. It's interesting when you | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
hear a Labour backbencher in Scotland talk about a command paper. | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
He is not in government. Gordon Brown is going round Scotland | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
promising things and he has absolutely no chance of delivering | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
them. The MPs in England will say, hey, what are you talking about We | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
have never been discussed with that? We have not agreed with that. The | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
only way people in Scotland will get the powers they deserve is by voting | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
yes. Crystal ball time, Tommy, you think it is 60/40. I will stick with | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
it, because we have an unprecedented election. 97% of Scotland is | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
registered to vote. The working class will vote in numbers never | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
voted before. George? 55/45 for our side. And if there is a rogue poll, | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
the tek Levesley polled -- technically flawed poll, which | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
should not be published because it is so flawed, then we would be | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
stretching towards what I am predicting already. I think in the | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
last few days we will reach that. Come on. If the no campaign can get | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
the silent majority out, they will edge it. You think they will win, | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
but how much? They cannot give up in a second, a moment or a mile. It is | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
that close. It will be won by the passionate view. I will go for a | :13:52. | :13:58. | |
narrow yes victory. I'm the George, 53 or 54% in favour of Joe -- no. -- | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
I am with George. I will leave you to argue about that later. Thank you | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
for being with us on the special Sunday politics from Edinburgh. | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
That's all from us today in Scotland. | :14:12. | :14:12. | |
Don't forget the Daily Politics will have continuing coverage | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
of the referendum campaign all this week on BBC2 at midday. | :14:16. | :14:17. | |
On Thursday night Huw Edwards will be in Glasgow and I will be | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
in London to bring you live coverage of the results on BBC1 from 10. 0 pm | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
on a historic night for Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom. | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
And I'll be back next Sunday when we're live from the Labour | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
Unless, of course, the referendum result is so tumultuous even the | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :14:39. | :14:44. |