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Andrew Neil, Marie Ashby and shadow home secretary Diane Abbott provide reaction to Theresa May's Brexit speech and look at the inauguration of US president Donald Trump.


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It's Sunday morning, and this is the Sunday Politics.

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Theresa May will be the first foreign leader to visit US

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President Donald Trump this week - she's promised to hold "very

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frank" conversations with the new and controversial

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Speaking of the 45th President of America,

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we'll be looking at what the Trump presidency could hold

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in store for Britain and the rest of the world.

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And with the Supreme Court expected to say that Parliament should

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have a vote before the Brexit process begins, we'll ask

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And in the East Midlands: what Labour will do next.

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What impact will leaving the single market have on businesses here?

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And a fairer funding formula that leaves

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And to talk about all of that and more, I'm joined by three

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journalists who, in an era of so-called fake news, can be

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relied upon for their accuracy, their impartiality -

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and their willingness to come to the studio

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It's Steve Richards, Julia Hartley-Brewer

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and Tom Newton Dunn, and during the programme they'll be

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tweeting as often as the 45th President of the USA in the middle

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So - the Prime Minister has been appearing on the BBC this morning.

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She was mostly talking about Donald Trump and Brexit,

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but she was also asked about a story on the front of this

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It's reported that an unarmed Trident missile test fired

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from the submarine HMS Vengeance near the Florida coast in June

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The paper says the incident took place weeks before a crucial Commons

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Well, let's have listen to Theresa May talking

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The issue that we were talking about in the House of Commons

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It was about whether or not we should renew Trident,

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whether we should look to the future and have a replacement Trident.

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That's what we were talking about in the House of Commons.

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That's what the House of Commons voted for.

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He doesn't want to defend our country with an independent

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There are tests that take place all the time, regularly,

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What we were talking about in that debate that took place...

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I'm not going to get an answer to this.

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Tom, it was clear this was going to come up this morning. It is on the

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front page of the Sunday Times. It would seem to me the Prime Minister

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wasn't properly briefed on how to reply. I think she probably was, but

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the Prime Minister we now have doesn't necessarily answer all

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questions in the straightest way. She didn't answer that one and all.

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Unlike previous ones? She made it quite clear she was briefed. You

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read between the Theresa May lines. By simply not answering Andrew Marr

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four times, it is obvious she knew, and that she knew before she went

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into the House of Commons and urged everyone to renew the ?40 billion

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replacement programme. Of course it is an embarrassment, but does it

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have political legs? I don't think so. She didn't mislead the Commons.

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If she wanted to close it down, the answer should have been, these are

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matters of national security. There's nothing more important in

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that than our nuclear deterrent. I'm not prepared to talk about testing.

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End of. But she didn't. Maybe you should be briefing her. That's a

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good answer. She is an interesting interviewee. She shows it when she

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is nervous. She was transparently uneasy answering those questions,

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and the fact she didn't answer it definitively suggests she did know

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and didn't want to say it, and she answered awkwardly. But how wider

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point, that the House of Commons voted for the renewal of Trident,

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suggests to me that in the broader sweep of things, this will not run,

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because if there was another vote, I would suggest she'd win it again.

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But it is an embarrassment and she handled it with a transparent

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awkwardness. She said that the tests go on all the time, but not of the

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missiles. Does it not show that when the Prime Minister leaves her

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comfort zone of Home Office affairs or related matters, she often

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struggles. We've seen it under questioning from Mr Corbyn even, and

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we saw it again today. Absolutely. Tests of various aspects of the

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missiles go on all the time, but there's only been five since 2000.

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What you described wouldn't have worked, because in previous tests

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they have always been very public about it. Look how well our missiles

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work! She may not have misled Parliament, but she may not have

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known about it. If she didn't know, does Michael Fallon still have a job

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on Monday? Should Parliament know about a test that doesn't work? Some

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would say absolutely not. Our deterrent is there to deter people

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from attacking us. If they know that we are hitting the United States by

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mistake rather than the Atlantic Ocean, then... There is such a thing

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as national security, and telling all the bad guys about where we are

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going wrong may not be a good idea. It was her first statement as Prime

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Minister to put her case for renewal, to have the vote on

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Trident, and in that context, it is significant not to say anything. If

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anyone knows where the missile landed, give us a call!

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So Donald Trump's inauguration day closed with him dancing

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to Frank Sinatra's My Way, and whatever your view on the 45th

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President of the United States he certainly did do it his way.

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Not for him the idealistic call for national unity -

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instead he used Friday's inaugural address to launch a blistering

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attack on the dark state of the nation and the political

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class, and to promise to take his uncompromising approach

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from the campaign trail to the White House.

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Here's Adam Fleming, with a reminder of how

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First, dropping by for a cup of tea and a slightly awkward exchange

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Then, friends, foes and predecessors watched

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I, Donald John Trump, do solemnly swear...

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The crowds seemed smaller than previous inaugurations,

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the speech tougher then any previous incoming president.

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From this day forth, it's going to be only America first.

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In the meantime, there were sporadic protests in Washington, DC.

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Opponents made their voices heard around the world too.

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The President, who'd criticised the work of

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the intelligence agencies, fitted in a visit to the CIA.

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There is nobody that feels stronger about the intelligence community

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And, back at the office, in the dark, a signature signalled

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the end of the Obama era and the dawn of Trump.

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So, as you heard there, President Trump used his

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inauguration to repeat his campaign promise to put "America first"

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in all his decisions, and offered some hints of what to expect

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He talked of in America in carnage, to be rebuilt by American hands and

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American Labour. President Trump has already started to dismantle key

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parts of the Obama Legacy, including the unwinding of the affordable care

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act, and the siding of the climate action plan to tackle global

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warning. Little to say about foreign policy, but promised to eradicate

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Islamic terrorism from the face of the Earth, insisting he would

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restore the US military to unquestioning dominance. He also

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said the US would develop a state missile defence system to deal with

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threats he sees from Iran and North Korea. In a statement that painted a

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bleak picture of the country he now runs, he said his would be a law and

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order Administration, and he would keep the innocents safe by building

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the border war with Mexico. One thing he didn't mention, for the

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first time ever, there is a Eurosceptic in the oval office, who

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is also an enthusiast for Brexit. We're joined now by Ted Malloch -

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he's a Trump supporter who's been tipped as the president's

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choice for US ambassador to the EU, and he's

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just flown back from Washington. And by James Rubin -

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he's a democrat who served Let's start with that last point I

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made in the voice over there. We now have a Eurosceptic in the oval

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office. He is pro-Brexit and not keen on further European Union

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integration. What are the implications of that? First of all,

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a renewal of the US- UK special relationship. You see the Prime

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Minister already going to build and rebuild this relationship. Already,

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the bust of Winston Churchill is back in the oval office.

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Interestingly, Martin Luther King's bust is also there, so there is an

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act of unity in that first movement of dusts. Donald Trump will be

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oriented between bilateral relationships and not multilateral

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or supernatural. Supranational full. What are the implications of someone

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in the White House now not believing in it? I think we are present in the

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unravelling of America's leadership of the West. There is now a thing

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called the west that America has led since the end of World War II,

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creating supranational - we just heard supernatural! These

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institutions were created. With American leadership, the world was

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at peace in Europe, and the world grew increasingly democratic and

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prosperous. Wars were averted that could be extremely costly. When

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something works in diplomacy, you don't really understand what the

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consequences could have been. I think we've got complacent. The new

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president is taking advantage of that. It is a terrible tragedy that

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so many in the West take for granted the successful leadership and

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institutions we have built. You could argue, as James Rubin has

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argued in some articles, that... Will Mr Trump's America be more

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involved in the world than the Obama won? Or will it continue the process

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with running shoes on that began with Mr Obama? President Obama

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stepped back from American leadership. He withdrew from the

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world. He had a horrendous eight years in office, and American powers

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have diminished everywhere in the world, not just in Europe. That

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power will reassert. The focus will be on America first, but there are

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foreign interests around the world... How does it reassert itself

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around the world? I think the institutions will be recreated. Some

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may be taken down. There could be some new ones. I think Nato itself,

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and certainly the Defence Secretary will have discussions with Donald

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Trump about how Nato can be reshaped, and maybe there will be

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more burden sharing. That is an important thing for him. You are

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tipped to be the US ambassador to Brussels, to the EU, and we are

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still waiting to hear if that will happen. Is it true to say that Mr

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Trump does not believe in EU integration? I think you made that

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clear in the speech. He talked about supranational. He does not believe

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in those kinds of organisations. He is investing himself in bilateral

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relationships, the first of which will be with the UK. So we have a

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president who does not believe in EU integration and has been highly

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critical of Nato. Do the people he has appointed to defend, Secretary

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of State, national security, do you think that will temper this

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anti-NATO wretched? Will he come round to a more pro-NATO situation?

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I think those of us who care about America's situation in the world

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will come in to miss President Obama a lot. I think the Secretary of

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State and the faculty of defence will limit the damage and will urge

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him not to take formal steps to unravel this most powerful and most

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successful alliance in history, the Nato alliance. But the damage is

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already being done. When you are the leader of the West, leadership means

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you are persuading, encouraging, bolstering your leadership and these

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institutions by the way you speak. Millions, if not hundreds of

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millions of people, have now heard the US say that what they care about

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is within their borders. What do you say to that? It is such

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an overstatement. The point is that Donald Trump is in a Jacksonian

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tradition of national populism. He is appealing to the people first.

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The other day, I was sitting below this page during the address, and he

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said, everyone sitting behind me as part of the problem. Everyone in

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front of me, the crowd and the crowd on television, is part of the

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solution, so we are giving the Government back to the people. That

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emphasis is going to change American life, including American

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International relations. It doesn't moving the leak back -- it doesn't

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mean we are moving out of Nato, it simply means we will put our

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national interests first. There were echoes of Andrew Jackson's

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inauguration address of 1820. That night, the Jacksonians trashed the

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White House, but Mr Trump's people didn't do that, so there is a

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difference there. He also said something else in the address - that

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protectionism would lead to prosperity. I would suggest there is

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no evidence for that in the post-war world. He talked about protecting

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the American worker, American jobs, the American economy. I actually

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think that Donald Trump will not turn out to be a protectionist. If

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you read the heart of the deal... This is referring to two Republican

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senators who introduce massive tariffs in the Hoover

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administration. Exactly. If you read The Art Of The Deal, you will see

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how Donald Trump deals with individuals and countries. There is

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a lot of bluster, positioning, and I think you already see this in

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bringing jobs by the United States. Things are going to change. Let's

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also deal with this proposition. China is the biggest loser of this

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election result. Let me say this: The first time in American history

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and American president has set forth his view of the world, and it is a

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mercantile view of the world, who makes more money, who gets more

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trade, it doesn't look at the shared values, leadership and defends the

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world needs. The art of the deal has no application to America's

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leadership of the world, that's what we're learning. You can be a great

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businessman and make great real estate deals - whether he did not is

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debatable - but it has nothing to do with inspiring shared values from

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the West. You saying China may lose, because he may pressure them to

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reduce their trade deficit with the US. They may or may not. We may both

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lose. Right now, his Secretary of State has said, and I think he will

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walk this back when he is brief, that they will prevent the Chinese

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from entering these islands in the South China Sea. If they were to do

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that, it would be a blockade, and there would be a shooting war

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between the United States and China, so US - China relations are the most

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important bilateral relationship of the United States, and they don't

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lend themselves to the bluff and bluster that may have worked when

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you are trying to get a big building on second Ave in Manhattan. Is China

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the biggest loser? I think the Chinese have a lot to lose. Gigi and

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Ping was in Davos this week -- Xi Jin Ping was in Davos.

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Is Germany the second biggest loser in the sense that I understand he

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hasn't agreed time to see Angela Merkel yet, also that those close to

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him believe that Germany is guilty of currency manipulation by adopting

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a weak your row instead of the strong Deutschmark, and that that is

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why they are running a huge balance of payments surplus with the United

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States. American - German relations may not be great. There is a point

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of view throughout Europe. You only have to talk to the southern

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Europeans about this question. It seems like the euro has been aligned

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to benefit Germany. Joe Stiglitz, the famous left of centre Democrat

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economist, made the same case in a recent book. In this case, I think

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Germany will be put under the spotlight. Angela Merkel has shown

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herself to be the most respected and the most successful leader in

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Europe. We who care about the West, who care about the shared values of

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the West, should pray and hope that she is re-elected. This isn't about

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dollars and cents. We're living in a time whether Russian leader has

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another country in Europe and for some inexplicable reason, the

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American president, who can use his insult diplomacy on everyone,

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including Mrs Merkel, the only person he can't seem to find

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anything to criticise about is Mr Putin. There are things more

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important than the actual details of your currency. There are things like

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preventing another war in Europe, preventing a war between the Chinese

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and the US. You talk about the Trident missile all morning, nuclear

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deterrence is extremely important. It doesn't lend itself to the bluff

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and bluster of a real estate deal. I understand all that, but the fact we

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are even talking about these things shows the new world we are moving

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into. I'd like to get you both to react to this. This is a man that

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ended the Bush Dynasty, a man that beat the Clinton machine. In his

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inauguration, not only did he not reach out to the Democrats, he

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didn't even mention the Republicans. These are changed days for us. They

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are, and change can be good or disastrous. I'm worried that it's

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easy in the world of diplomacy and in them -- for the leadership of the

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United States to break relationships and ruin alliances. These are things

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that were carefully nurtured. George Schultz, the American Secretary of

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State under Reagan talked about gardening, the slow, careful

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creation of a place with bilateral relationships that were blossoming

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and flowering multilateral relationships that take decades to

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create, and he will throw them away in a matter of days. The final

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word... I work for George Schultz. He was a Marine who stood up

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America, defended America, who would be in favour of many of the things

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that Donald Trump and the tramp Administration... Give him a call.

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His top aide macs that I've spoken to are appalled by Mr Trump's

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abdication of leadership. He is going to our radically -- he's going

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to eradicate extremist Islam from the face of the year. Is that

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realistic? I know people in the national security realm have worked

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on a plan. They say they will have such a plan in some detail within 90

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days. Lets hope they succeed. We have run out of time. As a issues.

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Thank you, both. -- fascinating issues.

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So Theresa May promised a big speech on Brexit, and this week -

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perhaps against expectation - she delivered, trying to answer

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claims that the government didn't have a plan with an explicit

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wish-list of what she hopes to achieve in negotiations with the EU.

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To her allies it was ambitious, bold, optimistic -

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to her opponents it was full of contradictions

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Here's Adam again, with a reminder of the speech and how

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There are speeches, and there are speeches.

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Like Theresa May's 12 principles for a Brexit deal leading

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to the UK fully out of the EU but still friendly in terms

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This agreement should allow for the freest possible trade

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in goods and services between Britain and the EU's member states.

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It should give British companies the maximum

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operate within European markets and let European businesses do

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She also said no deal would be better than the wrong deal,

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We want to test what people think about what she's just said.

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Do we have any of our future negotiating

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As the European Parliament voted for its new

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president, its chief negotiator sounded off.

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Saying, OK, if our European counterparts don't accept

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it, we're going to make from Britain a sort

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of free zone or tax haven, I

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The Prime Minister of Malta, the country that's assumed the EU's

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rotating presidency, spoke in sorrow and a bit of anger.

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We want a fair deal for the United Kingdom, but

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that deal necessarily needs to be inferior to membership.

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Next, let's hear from some enthusiastic

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leavers, like, I don't know, the Daily Mail?

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The paper lapped it up with this adoring front page.

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For Brexiteers, it was all manna from heaven.

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I think today means we are a big step closer to becoming

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an independent country again, with control of our own laws,

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I was chuckling at some of it, to be honest, because

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There were various phrases there which I've used myself again and

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Do we have any of those so-called Remoaners?

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There will, at the end of this deal process,

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so politicians get to vote on the stitch-up, but

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We take the view as Liberal Democrats that

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if this process started with democracy last June,

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We trusted the people with departure, we must trust them

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Do we have anyone from Labour, or are you all

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watching it in a small room somewhere?

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Throughout the speech, there seemed to be an implied threat that

:26:49.:26:55.

somewhere along the line, if all her optimism of a deal

:26:56.:26:58.

with the European Union didn't work, we would move

:26:59.:27:00.

into a low-tax, corporate taxation, bargain-basement economy on the

:27:01.:27:02.

I think she needs to be a bit clearer about what

:27:03.:27:06.

The Labour leader suggested he'd tell

:27:07.:27:13.

his MPs to vote in favour of starting a Brexit process if

:27:14.:27:16.

Parliament was given the choice, sparking a mini pre-revolt among

:27:17.:27:18.

Finally, do we have anyone from big business here?

:27:19.:27:24.

Of course, your all in Davos at the World Economic

:27:25.:27:33.

Clarity, first of all, really codified what many of us have been

:27:34.:27:43.

anticipating since the referendum result,

:27:44.:27:45.

particularly around the

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I think what we've also seen today is the Government's

:27:47.:27:50.

willingness to put a bit of edge into the negotiating dynamic, and I

:27:51.:27:53.

Trade negotiations are negotiations, and you have to lay out, and you

:27:54.:27:58.

have to be pretty tough to get what you want.

:27:59.:28:00.

Although some business people on the slopes speculated

:28:01.:28:03.

about moving some of their operations out of Brexit Britain.

:28:04.:28:05.

We saw there the instant reaction of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn,

:28:06.:28:23.

but how will the party respond to the challenge posed by Brexit

:28:24.:28:26.

Well, I'm joined now by the Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott.

:28:27.:28:30.

People know that Ukip and the Tories are for Brexit. The Lib Dems are

:28:31.:28:38.

four remain. What is Labour for? For respecting the result of the

:28:39.:28:43.

referendum. It was a 72% turnout, very high for an election of that

:28:44.:28:48.

nature, and we believe you have to respect that result. You couldn't

:28:49.:28:51.

have a situation where people like Tim Farron are saying to people,

:28:52.:28:55.

millions of people, sorry, you got it wrong, we in London no better.

:28:56.:28:59.

However, how the Tories go forward from here has to be subject to

:29:00.:29:06.

parliamentary scrutiny. Is it Shadow Cabinet policy to vote for the

:29:07.:29:11.

triggering of Article 50? Our policy is not to block Article 50. That is

:29:12.:29:15.

what the leader was saying this morning. So are you for it? Our

:29:16.:29:22.

policy is not to block it. You are talking about voting for it. We

:29:23.:29:27.

don't know what the Supreme Court is going to say, and we don't know what

:29:28.:29:32.

legislation Government will bring forward, and we don't know what

:29:33.:29:35.

amendment we will move, but we're clear that we will not vote to block

:29:36.:29:42.

it. OK, so you won't bow to stop it, but you could abstain? No, what we

:29:43.:29:50.

will do... Either you vote for or against all you abstain. There are

:29:51.:29:54.

too many unanswered questions. For instance, the position of EU

:29:55.:29:58.

migrants working and living in this country. You may not get the answer

:29:59.:30:02.

to that before Article 50 comes before the Commons, so what would

:30:03.:30:06.

you do then? We are giving to amend it. We can only tell you exactly how

:30:07.:30:11.

we will amend it when we understand what sort of legislation the

:30:12.:30:15.

Government is putting forward, and in the course of moving those

:30:16.:30:18.

amendments, we will ask the questions that the people of Britain

:30:19.:30:23.

whether they voted to leave remain want answered.

:30:24.:30:28.

When you come to a collective view, will there be a three line whip? I

:30:29.:30:36.

can't tell you, because we have not seen the government 's legislation.

:30:37.:30:41.

But when you see it, you will come to a collective view. Many regard

:30:42.:30:47.

this as extremely important. Will there be a three line whip on

:30:48.:30:52.

Labour's collective view? Because it is important, we shouldn't get ahead

:30:53.:30:58.

of ourselves. When we see what the Supreme Court says, and crucially,

:30:59.:31:02.

when we see what the government position is, you will hear what the

:31:03.:31:06.

whipping is. Will shadow ministers be able to defy any three line whip

:31:07.:31:13.

on this? That is not normally the case. But they did on an early vote

:31:14.:31:19.

that the government introduced on Article 50. Those who voted against

:31:20.:31:24.

it are still there. In the Blair years, you certainly couldn't defy a

:31:25.:31:29.

three line whip. We will see what happens going forward. I remember

:31:30.:31:35.

when the Tories were hopelessly divided over the EU. All these

:31:36.:31:38.

Maastricht votes and an list arguments. Now it is Labour. Just

:31:39.:31:45.

another symptom of Mr Corbyn's poor leadership. Not at all. Two thirds

:31:46.:31:57.

voted to leave, a third to remain. We are seeking to bring the country

:31:58.:32:02.

and the party together. We will do that by pointing out how disastrous

:32:03.:32:08.

a Tory Brexit would be. Meanwhile, around 80 Labour MPs will defy a

:32:09.:32:17.

three line whip. It's too early to say that. Will you publish what you

:32:18.:32:22.

believe the negotiating goal should be? We are clear on it. We think

:32:23.:32:27.

that the economy, jobs and living standards should be the priority.

:32:28.:32:33.

What Theresa May is saying is that holding her party together is her

:32:34.:32:39.

priority. She is putting party above country. Does Labour think we should

:32:40.:32:45.

remain members of the single market? Ideally, in terms of jobs and the

:32:46.:32:50.

economy, of course. Ritt -ish business thinks that as well. Is

:32:51.:32:55.

Labour policy that we should remain a member of the single market?

:32:56.:32:59.

Labour leaves that jobs and the economy comes first, and if they

:33:00.:33:03.

come first, you would want to remain part of the single market. But to

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remain a member? Jobs and the economy comes first, and to do that,

:33:12.:33:18.

ideally, guess. So with that, comes free movement of people, the

:33:19.:33:22.

jurisdiction of the European, and a multi-million never shipped thief.

:33:23.:33:28.

Is Labour prepared to pay that? Money is neither here nor there.

:33:29.:33:34.

Because the Tories will be asked to pay a lot of money... The EU has

:33:35.:33:43.

made it clear that you cannot have... I am asking for Labour's

:33:44.:33:50.

position. Our position is rooted in the reality, and the reality is that

:33:51.:33:55.

you cannot have the benefits of the member of the European Union,

:33:56.:33:59.

including being a member of the single market, without

:34:00.:34:02.

responsibility, including free movement of people. Free movement,

:34:03.:34:07.

is remaining under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. Is

:34:08.:34:15.

that the Labour position? You've said that Labour wants to remain a

:34:16.:34:20.

member of the single market. That is the price tag that comes with it.

:34:21.:34:24.

Does Labour agree with paying that price tag? We are not pre-empting

:34:25.:34:30.

negotiation. Our goals are protect jobs and the British economy. Is it

:34:31.:34:36.

Labour's position that we remain a member of the customs union? Well,

:34:37.:34:45.

if we don't, I don't see how Theresa May can keep our promises and has

:34:46.:34:55.

unfettered access... You said Labour's position was clear. It is!

:34:56.:35:04.

It is clear that Theresa May... I am not asking about Theresa May. Is it

:35:05.:35:09.

Labour's position to remain a member of the customs union? It is Labour's

:35:10.:35:15.

position to do what is right for British industry. Depending on how

:35:16.:35:19.

the negotiations go, it may prove that coming out of the customs

:35:20.:35:24.

union, as Theresa May has indicated she wants to do, could prove

:35:25.:35:30.

catastrophic, and could actually destroy some of her promises. You do

:35:31.:35:35.

accept that if we are member of the customs union, we cannot do our own

:35:36.:35:43.

free trade deals? What free trade deals are you talking about? The

:35:44.:35:49.

ones that Labour might want to do in the future. First, we have to

:35:50.:35:54.

protect British jobs and British industries. If you are talking about

:35:55.:35:58.

free trade deals with Donald Trump, the danger is that Theresa May will

:35:59.:36:03.

get drawn into a free-trade deal with America that will open up the

:36:04.:36:10.

NHS to American corporate... The cards are in Theresa May's hands. If

:36:11.:36:15.

she takes us out of the single market, if she takes us out of the

:36:16.:36:19.

customs union, we will have to deal with that. How big a crisis for

:36:20.:36:25.

Jeremy Corbyn will be if Labour loses both by-elections in February.

:36:26.:36:31.

I don't believe we will lose both. But if he did? I am not anticipating

:36:32.:36:40.

that. Is Labour lost two seats in a midterm of a Tory government, would

:36:41.:36:44.

that be business as usual? I'm not prepared to see us lose those seats,

:36:45.:36:48.

so I will not talk about something that will not happen. Thank you.

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You're watching the Sunday Politics.

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We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now

:36:53.:36:55.

Coming up here in 20 minutes, The Week Ahead,

:36:56.:36:58.

when we'll be talking to Business Minister Margot James

:36:59.:37:00.

about the government's new industrial strategy and that

:37:01.:37:03.

crucial Supreme Court ruling on Brexit.

:37:04.:37:06.

And in the East Midlands: Politics where you are.

:37:07.:37:20.

What impact will leaving the single market have on our region?

:37:21.:37:22.

Jobs at risk in some areas, but elsewhere, businesses

:37:23.:37:24.

We've most definitely improved since Brexit.

:37:25.:37:30.

We've had a 20% increase in orders, with recorded my staff in

:37:31.:37:34.

order that we can deal with the orders, and also we have bigger

:37:35.:37:38.

And it's meant to be a formula for fairer funding, but

:37:39.:37:44.

hundreds of schools across the region are set to lose tens of

:37:45.:37:46.

thousands of pounds, whilst others are set to gain.

:37:47.:37:50.

This is a double whammy for Nottingham's schools and

:37:51.:37:52.

They were already facing difficult times, now they are going

:37:53.:37:59.

My guests this week are Maggie Throup, who's the Conservative MP

:38:00.:38:04.

And Lilian Greenwood, the Labour MP for Nottingham South.

:38:05.:38:08.

First, though, the HS2 road show hit the

:38:09.:38:13.

Plans for the new high-speed route through the

:38:14.:38:17.

region have been on display at villages in Leicestershire, where

:38:18.:38:20.

local people were invited to look at the latest details.

:38:21.:38:23.

Meanwhile, the Transport Secretary launched the

:38:24.:38:29.

search for a company to build trains for the new route this week.

:38:30.:38:32.

Well, you can tell me, what might the organisers

:38:33.:38:37.

Because really not a lot has been decided about HS2 so far.

:38:38.:38:43.

We know that it's now coming to the region,

:38:44.:38:45.

which is really good news for local economy.

:38:46.:38:47.

Virtually, the route is decided, yes.

:38:48.:38:56.

My constituents will be affected and that I'm

:38:57.:39:00.

fighting for really good compensation for both

:39:01.:39:01.

the residents and businesses that are going to lose

:39:02.:39:04.

So, it's early days yet, but we do know

:39:05.:39:07.

it's going to be be a hub in Taunton and most of the route is finalised.

:39:08.:39:11.

There's certainly a lot of concern among those who near to the route

:39:12.:39:14.

Are you worried about the slow progress in this field?

:39:15.:39:23.

I mean, I think it a long process of taking forward a

:39:24.:39:26.

major infrastructure projects of this sort and part of the reason

:39:27.:39:29.

for that is the time it's taken to properly consult

:39:30.:39:32.

and there will be a long period of consultation to

:39:33.:39:34.

ensure that the fine detail is right to take on board the impact

:39:35.:39:37.

on the local area, on the local environment and quite rightly,

:39:38.:39:40.

Maggie and other people will have a part

:39:41.:39:43.

In terms of the contract, which we mentioned, 2.7

:39:44.:39:47.

billion, it's a juicy contract, I mean, one would hope Bombardier

:39:48.:39:59.

and associated firms would get a swing at that.

:40:00.:40:01.

I mean, the whole region is renowned for the rail industry.

:40:02.:40:07.

Whether it's the tracks or the rolling stock, so

:40:08.:40:09.

I think some of our local businesses are going to release either

:40:10.:40:12.

businesses boom as a result of HS2 and I want to

:40:13.:40:15.

encourage them all to be part of that tendering process

:40:16.:40:17.

businesses get a lot of those tenders.

:40:18.:40:20.

And, Lillian, is it important that Bombardier get this

:40:21.:40:23.

contact, given what may or may not be heading the future?

:40:24.:40:25.

It's hugely important for our East Midlands rail

:40:26.:40:27.

industry, which isn't of course just Bombardier.

:40:28.:40:29.

We've got the biggest cluster of rail engineering firms

:40:30.:40:31.

in the world here in the East Midlands.

:40:32.:40:39.

And what I'd like to know from the Government

:40:40.:40:42.

procurement process, are they going to be able to take

:40:43.:40:45.

into account the local economic and social impact

:40:46.:40:47.

Because we don't want what has happened to the

:40:48.:40:50.

Thameslink, where of course that contract was in place with Siemens

:40:51.:40:53.

rather than one of our domestic train builders.

:40:54.:40:55.

And that HS2 road show will be on trail next

:40:56.:40:59.

week and in Long Eaton, too, which might be interesting,

:41:00.:41:01.

given that the route cuts right through the town as we have heard.

:41:02.:41:04.

So, we could see a boost for train makers, but what of

:41:05.:41:07.

What does Theresa May's announcement that we will be leaving

:41:08.:41:12.

the single market mean for our region?

:41:13.:41:14.

There are reports of jobs under threat in some areas, but

:41:15.:41:17.

other companies are reporting that business has boomed following the

:41:18.:41:19.

Here's our political editor Tony Roe.

:41:20.:41:24.

Unemployment remains at an 11 year low.

:41:25.:41:34.

No comfort though for the 280 and the pizza factory in Nottingham,

:41:35.:41:37.

who this week learnt their jobs are to go.

:41:38.:41:39.

It's not clear, but they lost a massive Tesco order.

:41:40.:41:43.

The fall in the pound since the Brexit vote

:41:44.:41:52.

has raised the price of what the import.

:41:53.:41:54.

But for this company, Brexit is good news.

:41:55.:41:56.

A1 Flues from Ollerton, has had the best six months in the

:41:57.:41:59.

company cosmic history, with high profile projects like the shard and

:42:00.:42:02.

We've most definitely improved since Brexit.

:42:03.:42:05.

We've had a 20% increase in orders, we've recruited more staff

:42:06.:42:09.

in order to deal with the orders and also, the bigger orders are

:42:10.:42:12.

And the fall of the pound is good news for exports.

:42:13.:42:15.

We've got a lot more explort interest now.

:42:16.:42:17.

We've got an agent over in the Middle East, so

:42:18.:42:20.

Whether that's anything to do with Brexit,

:42:21.:42:23.

we are not 100% sure, but it

:42:24.:42:25.

As economies grow, our towns and cities

:42:26.:42:38.

Derby is now the marketplace for a aero-engines, trains and cars.

:42:39.:42:42.

This week in an interview with the Financial

:42:43.:42:44.

Times, the Toyota boss said the company, after Theresa May's

:42:45.:42:46.

speech, now has to consider how they can survive in the UK.

:42:47.:42:49.

How's that gone down in Derby, the city which

:42:50.:42:51.

benefits most from Toyota's presence?

:42:52.:42:52.

I think that these people, the likes of Toyota and that,

:42:53.:42:56.

they're probably looking for moving production over to Eastern Europe,

:42:57.:43:00.

When Toyota say things like they've said, does that worry you slightly?

:43:01.:43:07.

It does concern me, but I think there are going to

:43:08.:43:13.

be these symptoms and we are going to have to deal with that.

:43:14.:43:17.

There's going to be some peaks and troughs,

:43:18.:43:18.

but overall, I think we have to give it some time.

:43:19.:43:21.

I wonder if they are trying to find if they could

:43:22.:43:27.

have a hand-out like Nissan, because I am sure they will be

:43:28.:43:30.

persuaded to stop with a little sweetener, but will we be

:43:31.:43:33.

Perhaps that's why Toyota have said what they have.

:43:34.:43:37.

The unions are reassured by commitments to the UK

:43:38.:43:43.

from Toyota and Rolls-Royce, but have many more

:43:44.:43:45.

Rolls-Royce received a significant amount

:43:46.:43:48.

Again, they have committed themselves to the UK,

:43:49.:43:51.

which is good, but we have a question as the trade union that

:43:52.:44:00.

says, you rode your buss around saying you're going to give ?350

:44:01.:44:03.

million every day to the health service, you are going to give

:44:04.:44:06.

17,000 to every farmer and continue to make those payments and

:44:07.:44:09.

yet you don't want to be making all these other

:44:10.:44:11.

The Prime Minister has promised a bold,

:44:12.:44:15.

confident and an open Britain, but some Tory MPs have said if we

:44:16.:44:18.

abandon the single market, there will be economic consequences.

:44:19.:44:20.

The key to the future is going to be how

:44:21.:44:23.

we get access to that single market when we leave the EU.

:44:24.:44:27.

Tony, you been speaking obviously to the

:44:28.:44:34.

What is the feeling, do you think, across

:44:35.:44:37.

the region about this very vital issue of leaving the single market?

:44:38.:44:40.

I think the word that businesses, in particular, use more than any is

:44:41.:44:49.

They don't have that certainty at the moment about what's

:44:50.:44:52.

going to happen and we are just seeing really the effects of the

:44:53.:44:55.

referendum vote more than anything else

:44:56.:45:04.

We have had some figures this week from which show

:45:05.:45:10.

that after a record low, the number of insolvencies of businesses are

:45:11.:45:13.

starting to creep up again, in the East Midlands particularly in

:45:14.:45:16.

manufacturing in the last six months of last year.

:45:17.:45:18.

Maggie Throup, what's your reaction to the speech?

:45:19.:45:20.

It was perhaps harder edged and more pro-hard Brexit than some would

:45:21.:45:23.

for some clarity over the situation and that's what the Prime

:45:24.:45:30.

So many of my businesses that I've been speaking to since the

:45:31.:45:34.

speech were saying, "We have clarity.

:45:35.:45:35.

"We now know where we stand and we can move forward and we can

:45:36.:45:39.

"plan on the grounds that we will be leaving the single market."

:45:40.:45:42.

The single market is the single market for goods,

:45:43.:45:44.

services and the free movement of people.

:45:45.:45:46.

I think the referendum was quite clear that people were against

:45:47.:45:48.

the free movement of people across the European Borders.

:45:49.:45:50.

And that's the thing that the Prime Minister has

:45:51.:45:53.

So, does it seem to you in that speech that

:45:54.:45:59.

that she is putting immigration above the economy?

:46:00.:46:02.

Because that's what voters voted for it in the referendum.

:46:03.:46:05.

But actually being able to control our borders.

:46:06.:46:11.

She now is quite adamant that we will negotiate a

:46:12.:46:16.

free trade agreement with the EU and, let's face it, with countries

:46:17.:46:19.

The message was, we are open for business.

:46:20.:46:22.

Controlling immigration and controlling Borders as one and

:46:23.:46:24.

It's making sure that we have the people here to fill the gap

:46:25.:46:31.

in the skills that are there, but is also important that we look

:46:32.:46:34.

to see what the gaps are and try to work

:46:35.:46:38.

business and schools together so we can fill out the gaps, without

:46:39.:46:41.

Lilian Greenwood, that is absolutely right, we have to be able to control

:46:42.:46:53.

our borders and control who comes in and when?

:46:54.:46:55.

I think the real concern from Theresa May pot speech is the

:46:56.:46:57.

It's a rollback from the Conservatives.

:46:58.:47:01.

In the 2015 general election manifesto, they said yes to

:47:02.:47:03.

It's the biggest trading bloc and the world and if we

:47:04.:47:07.

are outside the single market and we are in successful

:47:08.:47:09.

in negotiating that kind of free trade arrangement

:47:10.:47:13.

with the EU, then we will face a huge tariffs on our goods and that

:47:14.:47:17.

could be hugely damaging, not just to our manufacturers, but other

:47:18.:47:20.

industries within the East Midlands that we rely on.

:47:21.:47:27.

But isn't the Labour Party really playing catch up on

:47:28.:47:29.

Your party has never really understood

:47:30.:47:38.

voters' concerns about immigration and would rather not talk about it

:47:39.:47:40.

I completely understand voters' concerns about the impact it

:47:41.:47:47.

potentially has on jobs and services and that's why it was a big mistake

:47:48.:47:50.

by the Conservatives to scrap the migration

:47:51.:47:52.

impact fund, but there are

:47:53.:47:53.

We see that certainly very clearly in Nottingham.

:47:54.:47:56.

One of our biggest export's higher education.

:47:57.:47:58.

If we are not able to bring in the brightest in the past,

:47:59.:48:01.

whether its students or staff, that could be an

:48:02.:48:03.

absolute disaster for Nottingham's economy.

:48:04.:48:04.

The education select committee took evidence last week

:48:05.:48:08.

around the impact of Brexit on the EU and the Vice Chancellor

:48:09.:48:10.

of Oxford Brookes University said that it

:48:11.:48:12.

would be an absolute disaster if we are not able to access

:48:13.:48:15.

the brightest and the best from across the EU.

:48:16.:48:17.

I don't think that is what the Prime Minister's saying, though.

:48:18.:48:20.

She's actually saying that we could control our borders, not to close

:48:21.:48:23.

I think there's a huge difference there.

:48:24.:48:27.

But we know that if we make it very difficult for

:48:28.:48:30.

people to come here and if you tighten up these

:48:31.:48:37.

visa immigration rules, it prevents students and

:48:38.:48:38.

We've seen that already happened when it comes

:48:39.:48:41.

It will have a huge impact if we want to keep the

:48:42.:48:45.

quality of our research universities.

:48:46.:48:46.

OK, we will have to leave it there for the moment.

:48:47.:48:49.

But I suppose an example of how it the

:48:50.:48:53.

politics and the economics all become intermingled, but this is a

:48:54.:48:55.

particularly interesting aspect in this region,

:48:56.:49:02.

because although voting heavily for Brexit in this region, some of

:49:03.:49:05.

our politicians here have been leading the campaign for a softer

:49:06.:49:08.

In the Commons this week two of our MPs were keen for the Prime

:49:09.:49:16.

Minister to consult more with Parliament.

:49:17.:49:17.

Before Article 50 is triggered, would she please consider

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at least publishing all those 12 objectives in a White Paper so that

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we can debate them here in this place on behalf of all our

:49:26.:49:28.

Could she clarify whether she anticipates this house

:49:29.:49:35.

having an opportunity to vote its approval for those

:49:36.:49:38.

policies earlier than two years away, when the whole

:49:39.:49:40.

Tony, as we were seeing, many of our MPs are among the most prominent

:49:41.:49:45.

campaigners for a so-called softer Brexit.

:49:46.:49:49.

So, what was their mood after Theresa May's speech?

:49:50.:49:53.

We saw Ken Clarke there and Ken Clarke, if

:49:54.:49:55.

there is any MP in East Midlands who's going to vote against Article

:49:56.:50:00.

He made it plain after the speech from Theresa May this week that he

:50:01.:50:06.

didn't think she'd said anything new at all.

:50:07.:50:08.

On the other hand, we have Nicky Morgan and Anna Soubry who

:50:09.:50:11.

are both very vocal in wanting to have access to the single market

:50:12.:50:14.

and free movement of labour, let's not forget.

:50:15.:50:17.

And they seem, after the speech, to soften their stance

:50:18.:50:20.

somewhat on to say that the 12 point plan had

:50:21.:50:22.

some positive points in the

:50:23.:50:26.

wanted to take those positive points away

:50:27.:50:29.

future and try to get that access to the single market.

:50:30.:50:33.

It's interesting, isn't it, Maggie, if we're talking

:50:34.:50:35.

about splits within the Labour Party on this, but there are certainly

:50:36.:50:38.

splits within the Conservative Party in terms of the soft Brexiteers and

:50:39.:50:41.

I think we have even stopped disagreeing now.

:50:42.:50:46.

My colleagues in the chamber during the week, obviously, they do

:50:47.:50:55.

like what the Prime Minister's saying.

:50:56.:50:58.

I think one of the messages from Theresa was actually building

:50:59.:51:01.

consensus and she seems to be doing that.

:51:02.:51:03.

Yeah, Anna Soubry did say that she didn't think

:51:04.:51:07.

it was a hard Brexit, what the Prime Minister was saying.

:51:08.:51:10.

Well, maybe more nuanced than some observers

:51:11.:51:11.

I mean, Ken Clarke is going to vote against triggering Article

:51:12.:51:15.

It looks like it and Ken has a lot of experience.

:51:16.:51:19.

I wouldn't want to say anything against Ken.

:51:20.:51:21.

He's a great politician and he has some

:51:22.:51:23.

great work and he really believes in what he's doing at the moment.

:51:24.:51:36.

OK, Lilian Greenwood, where do you stand on Article 50?

:51:37.:51:39.

Because it has been some confusion about whether Labour MPs

:51:40.:51:41.

are going to be whipped into triggering it, approvingly

:51:42.:51:43.

triggering of it and, well, are they going to be whipped?

:51:44.:51:46.

Well, I think all Labour MPs, you know, we saw the

:51:47.:51:50.

result of the referendum and we want to respect the choice

:51:51.:51:53.

of the British people, but equally, having seen

:51:54.:51:55.

what Theresa May has come out with, it's very concerning and I want to

:51:56.:52:10.

see the motion in what amendments are put down to it,

:52:11.:52:12.

that my constituents didn't vote for is to worse off.

:52:13.:52:16.

And while she may be aiming for a soft Brexit, she

:52:17.:52:18.

says she wants to have free trade with Europe,

:52:19.:52:20.

she wants to avoid some of the bureaucracy that would come

:52:21.:52:23.

from being outside the customs union, there is absolutely no

:52:24.:52:25.

guarantee that she's going to be able to negotiate those things.

:52:26.:52:28.

Can I just ask you, will you vote to trigger Article 50?

:52:29.:52:31.

Well, I'm going to wait and see with the motion says

:52:32.:52:34.

I'm very conscious of what my constituents think.

:52:35.:52:37.

I want to be talking to them and consulting with

:52:38.:52:39.

them and I'm very concerned about the future for the economy, for

:52:40.:52:42.

workers' rights, for environmental protections and how those might be

:52:43.:52:44.

thrown away, giving Theresa May's negotiating stance.

:52:45.:52:46.

And just briefly, Maggie, do you think there

:52:47.:52:48.

will be a timely vote or will it be a piecemeal vote early on and you

:52:49.:52:52.

won't get an actual vote on the deal as it is decided on?

:52:53.:52:55.

The Prime Minister in her speech said that

:52:56.:52:58.

there will be a vote in both houses of Parliament about the final deal.

:52:59.:53:01.

OK, for now, thank you very much indeed.

:53:02.:53:05.

Next, many schools in a region are counting

:53:06.:53:07.

Next, many schools in a region are counting the cost of a proposed

:53:08.:53:10.

The idea is to iron out historical differences, which

:53:11.:53:13.

have seen some areas get far more per pupil than others.

:53:14.:53:19.

The Government says that more half of the country's

:53:20.:53:21.

schools will see an increase, but in one of our cities, almost every

:53:22.:53:24.

Before school starts, a chance to get food for the brain.

:53:25.:53:31.

These breakfast clubs now operate at every primary school in

:53:32.:53:33.

You're allowed to see your friends and it's really nice to

:53:34.:53:44.

I like it, because it's fun and I get to talk

:53:45.:53:47.

to my friends and it gets me ready for the day.

:53:48.:53:50.

I can do different activities, like colouring, playing

:53:51.:53:52.

In Nottingham city, 85 out of 87 schools will be

:53:53.:53:55.

worse off because of the new funding formula.

:53:56.:54:02.

Here, they will have to save ?48,000 - the equivalent

:54:03.:54:05.

Extracurricular activities like these Breakfast club's

:54:06.:54:07.

When you're organising the school budget, you look at how you can

:54:08.:54:12.

organise that funding right across and making sure that you're

:54:13.:54:14.

providing services and opportunities for children.

:54:15.:54:19.

If we have to reduce the office numbers and the admin,

:54:20.:54:24.

actually, then we might need to pass that cost

:54:25.:54:26.

Whilst city schools seem to be the real losers from the funding

:54:27.:54:32.

formula, many headteachers in rural areas will have more money to play

:54:33.:54:34.

Although, in Nottinghamshire County, most schools will still have

:54:35.:54:38.

Unions say that when inflation is taken into

:54:39.:54:41.

account, the overwhelming majority are facing deep cuts.

:54:42.:54:43.

Hardly robbing from the rich to give to the poor.

:54:44.:54:45.

The problem is that there is money being diverted to some of the

:54:46.:54:48.

wealthiest parts of the country, in places like Buckinghamshire and

:54:49.:54:51.

Cambridgeshire, from both Nottingham city

:54:52.:54:52.

and Nottinghamshire County and

:54:53.:54:53.

Ministers insist funding for schools is at

:54:54.:55:05.

a record high and the new formula will end

:55:06.:55:07.

the postcode lottery of the

:55:08.:55:09.

Ultimately though, it's up to the schools themselves to make

:55:10.:55:12.

Now, Lilian Greenwood, the Government obviously would be in

:55:13.:55:15.

touch with the Department and in the adamant that

:55:16.:55:17.

overall, Nottingham and

:55:18.:55:19.

Nottinghamshire will see an increase in funding.

:55:20.:55:20.

0.3% in Nottingham and 1.8% for Nottinghamshire.

:55:21.:55:22.

Every single school in my constituency is going

:55:23.:55:26.

Not just as a result of the funding formula, which takes

:55:27.:55:30.

money away from Nottingham schools, but as a result of the flat funding,

:55:31.:55:32.

which means real-time cuts of 8% for schools.

:55:33.:55:35.

Every school practically across the country is a loser and

:55:36.:55:37.

Nottingham city schools are some of the worst hit.

:55:38.:55:40.

But overall, the DFE said Nottingham will still be one of

:55:41.:55:43.

the highest funded areas in the county, no doubt

:55:44.:55:45.

because there may be special issues, but that's the bear

:55:46.:55:48.

Well, I think if you went to any school in my

:55:49.:56:06.

constituency and said, you've got to make savings, you've got to cut

:56:07.:56:09.

further, they are going to have to cut into...

:56:10.:56:11.

If it's not teachers, to be teaching assistants or other

:56:12.:56:13.

It's the sort of extracurricular activities that we

:56:14.:56:16.

They are working hard to try to make sure

:56:17.:56:19.

that young people in my city get the best possible start

:56:20.:56:22.

and if they have fewer resources, that's going to be

:56:23.:56:25.

The truth is, the Government need to be more

:56:26.:56:28.

funding into education to ensure that we can really deliver on the

:56:29.:56:31.

sort of high-quality learning children need.

:56:32.:56:32.

Maggie Throup, why do some schools apparently have to take a

:56:33.:56:35.

cut in order to improve funding for others?

:56:36.:56:37.

We hear that Nottingham's cuts will give more money to schools

:56:38.:56:39.

in places like Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire.

:56:40.:56:51.

I think what this is doing is getting rid of the

:56:52.:56:53.

Because at the moment, the inner city schools tend

:56:54.:56:56.

to get more funding in schools in rural areas.

:56:57.:56:59.

There are a lot of areas of deprivation in the rule

:57:00.:57:03.

economy as well, so you can't just have this postcode blanket approach.

:57:04.:57:06.

You need to have a look at how the money will actually follow

:57:07.:57:09.

the pupil and for me, that's the most important thing.

:57:10.:57:11.

Just talking about the Breakfast Club, the new proposed

:57:12.:57:14.

levy on the sugary drinks industry is actually going to...

:57:15.:57:16.

Some of that is going to go to more breakfast

:57:17.:57:18.

clubs, which I think is really important.

:57:19.:57:20.

I think the other thing as well, the proposals for the funding

:57:21.:57:23.

formula is still out to consultation.

:57:24.:57:24.

So people can contribute to that consultation and

:57:25.:57:26.

It's open until towards the end of March, so nothing is finalised yet.

:57:27.:57:34.

Well, that's a very good point and also, Lilian Greenwood, this

:57:35.:57:39.

You cannot blame the Government for trying to do

:57:40.:57:45.

something about the inequality that previously existed.

:57:46.:57:47.

I don't think it's wrong to look to have a

:57:48.:57:49.

fairer funding formula, but you can't do that

:57:50.:57:51.

without putting more money into the system.

:57:52.:57:53.

We know that schools are already struggling with

:57:54.:57:55.

pay rises, extra national insurance contributions, extra money to be

:57:56.:57:57.

They've not had any money from the Government

:57:58.:58:00.

to help them cope with those extra costs that they faced and therefore,

:58:01.:58:03.

it would mean cuts to the quality of education they are able to provide.

:58:04.:58:07.

And the question I asked Maggie is, you know,

:58:08.:58:09.

one of your schools is, I think it

:58:10.:58:13.

is the largest loser in the whole of Derbyshire.

:58:14.:58:15.

I don't know what you're going to say to them.

:58:16.:58:19.

Well, I think it's how you actually spend that

:58:20.:58:27.

The academy you mentioned has got a fantastic new headteacher.

:58:28.:58:36.

I know that the ethos she brings to the school

:58:37.:58:39.

It's the ethos of the school that's important.

:58:40.:58:42.

It's time now for a round-up of some of the other

:58:43.:58:48.

political stories from the East Midlands this week.

:58:49.:58:50.

Parents in Derby want the city's council to bring a

:58:51.:59:03.

long-running strike by school teaching assistants to an end.

:59:04.:59:05.

The ongoing dispute with the City Council

:59:06.:59:07.

over cuts in pay of up to

:59:08.:59:09.

?6,000 a year has seen them take action every day this week.

:59:10.:59:12.

Hospital managers say they are still not in a

:59:13.:59:14.

position to reopen Grantham's accident

:59:15.:59:15.

The department has been shut between 6:30pm and 9am since last

:59:16.:59:20.

The family of the former Leicester West

:59:21.:59:23.

MP Lord Janner has asked to be allowed to take part in the enquiry

:59:24.:59:26.

The Labour peer who died in 2015 is alleged to

:59:27.:59:30.

have abused youngsters over a 30 year period.

:59:31.:59:32.

His family have always strongly denied the claims.

:59:33.:59:33.

Nottingham is considering a bid to become the European capital of

:59:34.:59:36.

In the past, the title has brought an economic boost to cities

:59:37.:59:51.

The announcement on whether the City Council is applying will be

:59:52.:59:55.

And there is another busy week to come.

:59:56.:59:58.

That is the Sunday Politics in the East Midlands.

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My thanks to Maggie Throup and Lilian Greenwood.

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have to do this. Thank you to you both.

:00:03.:00:12.

What exactly is the government's industrial strategy?

:00:13.:00:22.

Will ministers lose their supreme court battle over Brexit, and,

:00:23.:00:26.

Well, tomorrow Theresa May is launching the government's

:00:27.:00:38.

industrial strategy - and to talk about that we're joined

:00:39.:00:42.

by the Business Minister, Margot James - welcome to the show.

:00:43.:00:49.

When you look at what has already been released in advance of the

:00:50.:00:57.

Prime Minister's statement, it was embargoed for last night, it's not

:00:58.:01:02.

really an industrial strategy, it's just another skills strategy, of

:01:03.:01:06.

which we have had about six since the war, and our skills training is

:01:07.:01:13.

among the worst in Western Europe? There will be plenty more to be

:01:14.:01:18.

announced tomorrow in what is really a discussion document in the

:01:19.:01:21.

preparation of an industrial strategy which we intend to launch

:01:22.:01:26.

properly later in the year. Let's look at skills. You are allocating

:01:27.:01:34.

117 of funding to establish institutes of technology. How many?

:01:35.:01:40.

The exact number is to be agreed, but the spend is there, and it will

:01:41.:01:46.

be on top of what we are doing to the university, technical

:01:47.:01:49.

colleges... How many were lit bio create? We don't know exactly, but

:01:50.:01:56.

we want to put them in areas where young people are performing under

:01:57.:01:59.

the national average. But if you don't know how many, what is the

:02:00.:02:07.

basis of 170 million? That is the amount the Treasury have released.

:02:08.:02:10.

The something that is very important, we are agreed we need to

:02:11.:02:15.

devote more resources to vocational training and get it on a par with

:02:16.:02:21.

academic qualifications. I looked on the website of my old university,

:02:22.:02:27.

the University of Glasgow, the Russell group universities. Its

:02:28.:02:32.

spending budget every year is over 600 million. That's one University.

:02:33.:02:40.

And yet you have a mere 170 million foreign unspecified number of

:02:41.:02:45.

institutes of technology. It hasn't got equality with the academics? You

:02:46.:02:50.

have to remember that just as you have quoted figures from Glasgow

:02:51.:02:54.

University there are further education colleges all over the

:02:55.:02:59.

country. The government is already spending on 16 to 19-year-olds. But

:03:00.:03:07.

also, we are going to be adding... This is new money that is all to the

:03:08.:03:12.

good, because we are already spending a lot. We have already

:03:13.:03:17.

created 2 million more apprentices since 2010. That many are not in

:03:18.:03:22.

what we would call the stem skills, and a lot come nowhere near what the

:03:23.:03:27.

Dutch, Germans and Austrians would have. I'm not clear how another 170

:03:28.:03:33.

million would do. You said it is more than skills. In what way is

:03:34.:03:37.

this industrial strategy different from what Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne

:03:38.:03:49.

did before? It's different because it is involving every single

:03:50.:03:51.

government department, and bringing together everything that government

:03:52.:03:53.

does in a bid to make Britain more competitive as it disengages from

:03:54.:03:56.

the European Union. That is what the last Labour government did. They

:03:57.:04:02.

will much more targeted interventions. Under the Labour

:04:03.:04:06.

government, the auto industry got some benefit. A few more sectors

:04:07.:04:11.

were broached under the coalition government. This is all about

:04:12.:04:16.

communities all over the country, some of whom have fallen behind in

:04:17.:04:20.

terms of wage growth and good jobs. The Prime Minister has already

:04:21.:04:26.

announced 2 billion as a research and development priority in specific

:04:27.:04:33.

technologies, robotics, artificial intelligence, medical technology,

:04:34.:04:37.

satellites... So you are doing what has been done before. There is

:04:38.:04:43.

nothing new about this. Wait until tomorrow, because there will be some

:04:44.:04:47.

new strands emerging. It is the beginning of the dialogue with

:04:48.:04:51.

industry and with workers, and the responses will be invited up until

:04:52.:04:57.

April. That will inform a wider strategy that goes beyond skills. I

:04:58.:05:03.

have moved on to beyond them. I'm slightly puzzled as to how the

:05:04.:05:08.

government knows where to invest in robotics, when it can't even provide

:05:09.:05:13.

the NHS with a decent IT system. Discuss. I have to say I find it

:05:14.:05:18.

bizarre that the government is making an announcement about an

:05:19.:05:21.

amount of money and don't know where it's going. This is typical of all

:05:22.:05:26.

governments over all political shoes, which is total disregard for

:05:27.:05:32.

technical education, so different from Germany, who actually invest in

:05:33.:05:40.

the technological side. Germany has a long history. We want to emulate

:05:41.:05:47.

some of the best of what German companies do. Siemens sponsor

:05:48.:05:51.

primary schools, for example. We want to get a dialogue on with

:05:52.:05:57.

business. We don't want to decide where this money is going. By the

:05:58.:06:02.

way, it was 4.7 billion that the government has agreed to invest in

:06:03.:06:08.

science and research, which is the most significant increase in

:06:09.:06:11.

decades. Can you remind us what happened in Northern Ireland, when

:06:12.:06:16.

the government invested money in state-of-the-art technology for

:06:17.:06:19.

energy? No one needs to be reminded of that, and that is not what we are

:06:20.:06:26.

doing. We are inviting business and industry to advise where that money

:06:27.:06:32.

is best spent. That's very different from government deciding that a

:06:33.:06:37.

particular technology is for the future. The government's chief

:06:38.:06:42.

scientific adviser has determined that we will invest a huge amount in

:06:43.:06:48.

battery technology, which should benefit the electric car industry,

:06:49.:06:53.

and... This is taxpayers' money. Who gets it? Ultimately, business will

:06:54.:06:59.

get it, but often only when there is a considerable amount of private

:07:00.:07:05.

sector finance also drawn in. But who is held to account? Various

:07:06.:07:13.

government departments at local authorities will hold this list to

:07:14.:07:17.

account. A lot of it is about releasing private capital as well.

:07:18.:07:24.

Thank you very much. This week, the Supreme Court, I think we know the

:07:25.:07:31.

ruling is coming on Tuesday. And the expectation is that the judges will

:07:32.:07:35.

say Parliament will have to vote to trigger. Is this all much ado about

:07:36.:07:40.

nothing? Parliament will vote to trigger, and the government will win

:07:41.:07:44.

in the Lords and the Commons by substantial majorities, and it will

:07:45.:07:48.

be triggered? Completely. We've known that. Parliament is voted.

:07:49.:07:53.

Everyone is pretty confident that the Supreme Court will uphold the

:07:54.:07:57.

High Court's decision and say it has to go to MPs. There will be a bit of

:07:58.:08:06.

toing and froing among MPs on amendments. You heard Diane Abbott's

:08:07.:08:12.

slightly car crash interview there. The Lib Dems may throw something in,

:08:13.:08:15.

but we will trigger Article 50 by the end of March. If it also says

:08:16.:08:23.

that the roll of Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast should be picked up,

:08:24.:08:28.

that could complicate matters. Absolutely. That could delay the

:08:29.:08:32.

planned triggering of Article 50 before the end of March. Not what

:08:33.:08:36.

they say about the Westminster Parliament, because it is clear that

:08:37.:08:41.

it was. I never understood the furore about that original judgment,

:08:42.:08:46.

because every MP made it clear they wouldn't block it. Even though Diane

:08:47.:08:51.

Abbott was evasive on several fronts, she said they wouldn't block

:08:52.:08:56.

it. You are right, if they give a vote, or give some authorisation for

:08:57.:09:00.

the Scottish Parliament and other devolved assemblies, that might

:09:01.:09:05.

delay the whole sequence. That is the only significant thing to watch

:09:06.:09:11.

out for. Watch out on Tuesday. Mrs May goes to Washington. It will be

:09:12.:09:16.

another movie in the making! I would suggest that she has a tricky line

:09:17.:09:21.

to follow. She has got to be seen to be taking advantage of the fact that

:09:22.:09:26.

there is a very pro-British, pro-Brexit president in the Oval

:09:27.:09:31.

Office, who I am told is prepared to expend political capital on this.

:09:32.:09:35.

But on the other hand, to make sure that she is not what we used to call

:09:36.:09:48.

Mr Blair, George Bush's poodle. It is very difficult, and who would not

:09:49.:09:52.

want to be a fly on the wall in that meeting! I can't think of anyone in

:09:53.:09:55.

the world who would despise Mr Trump more than Mrs May, and for him, he

:09:56.:10:00.

dislikes any woman who does not look like a supermodel, no disrespected

:10:01.:10:11.

Mrs May. Most of it is actually anti-EU, and I think we should

:10:12.:10:14.

capitalise it. Let's get the Queen to earn her money, roll out the red

:10:15.:10:20.

carpet, invite him to dinner, spend the night, what ever we need...

:10:21.:10:27.

Trump at Balmoral! Here is the issue, because the agenda is, as we

:10:28.:10:32.

heard from Ted Malloch earlier, that this is not an administration that

:10:33.:10:37.

has much time for the EU, EU integration or Germany. I think

:10:38.:10:40.

Germany will be the second biggest loser to begin with. They will not

:10:41.:10:46.

even give a date for Angela Merkel to meet the president. This is an

:10:47.:10:54.

opportunity for Mrs May... It is a huge. It could sideline talks of the

:10:55.:11:02.

punishment beating from Germany. The Trump presidency has completely

:11:03.:11:08.

changed the field on Brexit. Along came Donald Trump, and Theresa May

:11:09.:11:12.

has this incredible opportunity here. Not of her making, but she has

:11:13.:11:18.

played her cards well. To an officially be the EU emissary to

:11:19.:11:24.

Washington, to get some sort of broker going. That gives us huge

:11:25.:11:29.

extra leveraged in the Brexit negotiations. People around the

:11:30.:11:33.

world think Germany as a currency manipulator, that it is benefiting

:11:34.:11:37.

from an underpriced euro, hence the huge surplus it runs of America, and

:11:38.:11:41.

they think it is disgraceful that a country that runs a massive budget

:11:42.:11:47.

surplus spends only 1.2% of its GDP on defence, and America runs a

:11:48.:11:52.

massive deficit and needs to spend a lot more. He's going for Germany.

:11:53.:11:58.

And what a massive shift. I think Obama was quite open, in a farewell

:11:59.:12:03.

interview, that he felt closer to Merkel than any other European

:12:04.:12:08.

leader. And Jamie kind of reflected that in our discussion. Yes, that's

:12:09.:12:15.

very interesting discussion. I think she was the last person he spoke to

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in the White House, Obama. And now you are getting the onslaught from

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Trump. This Thatcher- Reagan imagery is dangerous, though. Blair was

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hypnotised by it and was too scared to criticise Bush, because he wanted

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to be seen in that light, and we know where that led. Cameron

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similarly with Obama, which presented him with problems, as

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Obama didn't regard him as his number one pin up in Europe. I would

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put a note of caution in there about the Thatcher - Reagan parallel.

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Everything Trump is doing now is different from before, so Mrs May

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should not have any of these previous relationships in her mind.

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That is not entirely true. Donald Trump aches to be the new Ronald

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Reagan. He may be impeached first! He sees her as the new Margaret

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Thatcher, and that may her leveraged with him. Thank you.

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We'll be back here at the same time next week, and you can catch up

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on all the latest political news on the Daily Politics,

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In the meantime, remember - if it's Sunday,

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It's just pain, but it doesn't feel like pain,

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it feels much more violent, dark and exciting.

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Andrew Neil, Marie Ashby and guests including shadow home secretary Diane Abbott provide reaction to Theresa May's Brexit speech and look at the inauguration of US president Donald Trump. On the political panel are Julia Hartley-Brewer of talkRadio, Tom Newton Dunn of the Sun and broadcaster and journalist Steve Richards.