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It's Sunday morning, and this is the Sunday Politics.


Theresa May will be the first foreign leader to visit US


President Donald Trump this week - she's promised to hold "very


frank" conversations with the new and controversial


Speaking of the 45th President of America,


we'll be looking at what the Trump presidency could hold


in store for Britain and the rest of the world.


And with the Supreme Court expected to say that Parliament should


have a vote before the Brexit process begins, we'll ask


And in the East Midlands: what Labour will do next.


What impact will leaving the single market have on businesses here?


And a fairer funding formula that leaves


And to talk about all of that and more, I'm joined by three


journalists who, in an era of so-called fake news, can be


relied upon for their accuracy, their impartiality -


and their willingness to come to the studio


It's Steve Richards, Julia Hartley-Brewer


and Tom Newton Dunn, and during the programme they'll be


tweeting as often as the 45th President of the USA in the middle


So - the Prime Minister has been appearing on the BBC this morning.


She was mostly talking about Donald Trump and Brexit,


but she was also asked about a story on the front of this


It's reported that an unarmed Trident missile test fired


from the submarine HMS Vengeance near the Florida coast in June


The paper says the incident took place weeks before a crucial Commons


Well, let's have listen to Theresa May talking


The issue that we were talking about in the House of Commons


It was about whether or not we should renew Trident,


whether we should look to the future and have a replacement Trident.


That's what we were talking about in the House of Commons.


That's what the House of Commons voted for.


He doesn't want to defend our country with an independent


There are tests that take place all the time, regularly,


What we were talking about in that debate that took place...


I'm not going to get an answer to this.


Tom, it was clear this was going to come up this morning. It is on the


front page of the Sunday Times. It would seem to me the Prime Minister


wasn't properly briefed on how to reply. I think she probably was, but


the Prime Minister we now have doesn't necessarily answer all


questions in the straightest way. She didn't answer that one and all.


Unlike previous ones? She made it quite clear she was briefed. You


read between the Theresa May lines. By simply not answering Andrew Marr


four times, it is obvious she knew, and that she knew before she went


into the House of Commons and urged everyone to renew the ?40 billion


replacement programme. Of course it is an embarrassment, but does it


have political legs? I don't think so. She didn't mislead the Commons.


If she wanted to close it down, the answer should have been, these are


matters of national security. There's nothing more important in


that than our nuclear deterrent. I'm not prepared to talk about testing.


End of. But she didn't. Maybe you should be briefing her. That's a


good answer. She is an interesting interviewee. She shows it when she


is nervous. She was transparently uneasy answering those questions,


and the fact she didn't answer it definitively suggests she did know


and didn't want to say it, and she answered awkwardly. But how wider


point, that the House of Commons voted for the renewal of Trident,


suggests to me that in the broader sweep of things, this will not run,


because if there was another vote, I would suggest she'd win it again.


But it is an embarrassment and she handled it with a transparent


awkwardness. She said that the tests go on all the time, but not of the


missiles. Does it not show that when the Prime Minister leaves her


comfort zone of Home Office affairs or related matters, she often


struggles. We've seen it under questioning from Mr Corbyn even, and


we saw it again today. Absolutely. Tests of various aspects of the


missiles go on all the time, but there's only been five since 2000.


What you described wouldn't have worked, because in previous tests


they have always been very public about it. Look how well our missiles


work! She may not have misled Parliament, but she may not have


known about it. If she didn't know, does Michael Fallon still have a job


on Monday? Should Parliament know about a test that doesn't work? Some


would say absolutely not. Our deterrent is there to deter people


from attacking us. If they know that we are hitting the United States by


mistake rather than the Atlantic Ocean, then... There is such a thing


as national security, and telling all the bad guys about where we are


going wrong may not be a good idea. It was her first statement as Prime


Minister to put her case for renewal, to have the vote on


Trident, and in that context, it is significant not to say anything. If


anyone knows where the missile landed, give us a call!


So Donald Trump's inauguration day closed with him dancing


to Frank Sinatra's My Way, and whatever your view on the 45th


President of the United States he certainly did do it his way.


Not for him the idealistic call for national unity -


instead he used Friday's inaugural address to launch a blistering


attack on the dark state of the nation and the political


class, and to promise to take his uncompromising approach


from the campaign trail to the White House.


Here's Adam Fleming, with a reminder of how


First, dropping by for a cup of tea and a slightly awkward exchange


Then, friends, foes and predecessors watched


I, Donald John Trump, do solemnly swear...


The crowds seemed smaller than previous inaugurations,


the speech tougher then any previous incoming president.


From this day forth, it's going to be only America first.


In the meantime, there were sporadic protests in Washington, DC.


Opponents made their voices heard around the world too.


The President, who'd criticised the work of


the intelligence agencies, fitted in a visit to the CIA.


There is nobody that feels stronger about the intelligence community


And, back at the office, in the dark, a signature signalled


the end of the Obama era and the dawn of Trump.


So, as you heard there, President Trump used his


inauguration to repeat his campaign promise to put "America first"


in all his decisions, and offered some hints of what to expect


He talked of in America in carnage, to be rebuilt by American hands and


American Labour. President Trump has already started to dismantle key


parts of the Obama Legacy, including the unwinding of the affordable care


act, and the siding of the climate action plan to tackle global


warning. Little to say about foreign policy, but promised to eradicate


Islamic terrorism from the face of the Earth, insisting he would


restore the US military to unquestioning dominance. He also


said the US would develop a state missile defence system to deal with


threats he sees from Iran and North Korea. In a statement that painted a


bleak picture of the country he now runs, he said his would be a law and


order Administration, and he would keep the innocents safe by building


the border war with Mexico. One thing he didn't mention, for the


first time ever, there is a Eurosceptic in the oval office, who


is also an enthusiast for Brexit. We're joined now by Ted Malloch -


he's a Trump supporter who's been tipped as the president's


choice for US ambassador to the EU, and he's


just flown back from Washington. And by James Rubin -


he's a democrat who served Let's start with that last point I


made in the voice over there. We now have a Eurosceptic in the oval


office. He is pro-Brexit and not keen on further European Union


integration. What are the implications of that? First of all,


a renewal of the US- UK special relationship. You see the Prime


Minister already going to build and rebuild this relationship. Already,


the bust of Winston Churchill is back in the oval office.


Interestingly, Martin Luther King's bust is also there, so there is an


act of unity in that first movement of dusts. Donald Trump will be


oriented between bilateral relationships and not multilateral


or supernatural. Supranational full. What are the implications of someone


in the White House now not believing in it? I think we are present in the


unravelling of America's leadership of the West. There is now a thing


called the west that America has led since the end of World War II,


creating supranational - we just heard supernatural! These


institutions were created. With American leadership, the world was


at peace in Europe, and the world grew increasingly democratic and


prosperous. Wars were averted that could be extremely costly. When


something works in diplomacy, you don't really understand what the


consequences could have been. I think we've got complacent. The new


president is taking advantage of that. It is a terrible tragedy that


so many in the West take for granted the successful leadership and


institutions we have built. You could argue, as James Rubin has


argued in some articles, that... Will Mr Trump's America be more


involved in the world than the Obama won? Or will it continue the process


with running shoes on that began with Mr Obama? President Obama


stepped back from American leadership. He withdrew from the


world. He had a horrendous eight years in office, and American powers


have diminished everywhere in the world, not just in Europe. That


power will reassert. The focus will be on America first, but there are


foreign interests around the world... How does it reassert itself


around the world? I think the institutions will be recreated. Some


may be taken down. There could be some new ones. I think Nato itself,


and certainly the Defence Secretary will have discussions with Donald


Trump about how Nato can be reshaped, and maybe there will be


more burden sharing. That is an important thing for him. You are


tipped to be the US ambassador to Brussels, to the EU, and we are


still waiting to hear if that will happen. Is it true to say that Mr


Trump does not believe in EU integration? I think you made that


clear in the speech. He talked about supranational. He does not believe


in those kinds of organisations. He is investing himself in bilateral


relationships, the first of which will be with the UK. So we have a


president who does not believe in EU integration and has been highly


critical of Nato. Do the people he has appointed to defend, Secretary


of State, national security, do you think that will temper this


anti-NATO wretched? Will he come round to a more pro-NATO situation?


I think those of us who care about America's situation in the world


will come in to miss President Obama a lot. I think the Secretary of


State and the faculty of defence will limit the damage and will urge


him not to take formal steps to unravel this most powerful and most


successful alliance in history, the Nato alliance. But the damage is


already being done. When you are the leader of the West, leadership means


you are persuading, encouraging, bolstering your leadership and these


institutions by the way you speak. Millions, if not hundreds of


millions of people, have now heard the US say that what they care about


is within their borders. What do you say to that? It is such


an overstatement. The point is that Donald Trump is in a Jacksonian


tradition of national populism. He is appealing to the people first.


The other day, I was sitting below this page during the address, and he


said, everyone sitting behind me as part of the problem. Everyone in


front of me, the crowd and the crowd on television, is part of the


solution, so we are giving the Government back to the people. That


emphasis is going to change American life, including American


International relations. It doesn't moving the leak back -- it doesn't


mean we are moving out of Nato, it simply means we will put our


national interests first. There were echoes of Andrew Jackson's


inauguration address of 1820. That night, the Jacksonians trashed the


White House, but Mr Trump's people didn't do that, so there is a


difference there. He also said something else in the address - that


protectionism would lead to prosperity. I would suggest there is


no evidence for that in the post-war world. He talked about protecting


the American worker, American jobs, the American economy. I actually


think that Donald Trump will not turn out to be a protectionist. If


you read the heart of the deal... This is referring to two Republican


senators who introduce massive tariffs in the Hoover


administration. Exactly. If you read The Art Of The Deal, you will see


how Donald Trump deals with individuals and countries. There is


a lot of bluster, positioning, and I think you already see this in


bringing jobs by the United States. Things are going to change. Let's


also deal with this proposition. China is the biggest loser of this


election result. Let me say this: The first time in American history


and American president has set forth his view of the world, and it is a


mercantile view of the world, who makes more money, who gets more


trade, it doesn't look at the shared values, leadership and defends the


world needs. The art of the deal has no application to America's


leadership of the world, that's what we're learning. You can be a great


businessman and make great real estate deals - whether he did not is


debatable - but it has nothing to do with inspiring shared values from


the West. You saying China may lose, because he may pressure them to


reduce their trade deficit with the US. They may or may not. We may both


lose. Right now, his Secretary of State has said, and I think he will


walk this back when he is brief, that they will prevent the Chinese


from entering these islands in the South China Sea. If they were to do


that, it would be a blockade, and there would be a shooting war


between the United States and China, so US - China relations are the most


important bilateral relationship of the United States, and they don't


lend themselves to the bluff and bluster that may have worked when


you are trying to get a big building on second Ave in Manhattan. Is China


the biggest loser? I think the Chinese have a lot to lose. Gigi and


Ping was in Davos this week -- Xi Jin Ping was in Davos.


Is Germany the second biggest loser in the sense that I understand he


hasn't agreed time to see Angela Merkel yet, also that those close to


him believe that Germany is guilty of currency manipulation by adopting


a weak your row instead of the strong Deutschmark, and that that is


why they are running a huge balance of payments surplus with the United


States. American - German relations may not be great. There is a point


of view throughout Europe. You only have to talk to the southern


Europeans about this question. It seems like the euro has been aligned


to benefit Germany. Joe Stiglitz, the famous left of centre Democrat


economist, made the same case in a recent book. In this case, I think


Germany will be put under the spotlight. Angela Merkel has shown


herself to be the most respected and the most successful leader in


Europe. We who care about the West, who care about the shared values of


the West, should pray and hope that she is re-elected. This isn't about


dollars and cents. We're living in a time whether Russian leader has


another country in Europe and for some inexplicable reason, the


American president, who can use his insult diplomacy on everyone,


including Mrs Merkel, the only person he can't seem to find


anything to criticise about is Mr Putin. There are things more


important than the actual details of your currency. There are things like


preventing another war in Europe, preventing a war between the Chinese


and the US. You talk about the Trident missile all morning, nuclear


deterrence is extremely important. It doesn't lend itself to the bluff


and bluster of a real estate deal. I understand all that, but the fact we


are even talking about these things shows the new world we are moving


into. I'd like to get you both to react to this. This is a man that


ended the Bush Dynasty, a man that beat the Clinton machine. In his


inauguration, not only did he not reach out to the Democrats, he


didn't even mention the Republicans. These are changed days for us. They


are, and change can be good or disastrous. I'm worried that it's


easy in the world of diplomacy and in them -- for the leadership of the


United States to break relationships and ruin alliances. These are things


that were carefully nurtured. George Schultz, the American Secretary of


State under Reagan talked about gardening, the slow, careful


creation of a place with bilateral relationships that were blossoming


and flowering multilateral relationships that take decades to


create, and he will throw them away in a matter of days. The final


word... I work for George Schultz. He was a Marine who stood up


America, defended America, who would be in favour of many of the things


that Donald Trump and the tramp Administration... Give him a call.


His top aide macs that I've spoken to are appalled by Mr Trump's


abdication of leadership. He is going to our radically -- he's going


to eradicate extremist Islam from the face of the year. Is that


realistic? I know people in the national security realm have worked


on a plan. They say they will have such a plan in some detail within 90


days. Lets hope they succeed. We have run out of time. As a issues.


Thank you, both. -- fascinating issues.


So Theresa May promised a big speech on Brexit, and this week -


perhaps against expectation - she delivered, trying to answer


claims that the government didn't have a plan with an explicit


wish-list of what she hopes to achieve in negotiations with the EU.


To her allies it was ambitious, bold, optimistic -


to her opponents it was full of contradictions


Here's Adam again, with a reminder of the speech and how


There are speeches, and there are speeches.


Like Theresa May's 12 principles for a Brexit deal leading


to the UK fully out of the EU but still friendly in terms


This agreement should allow for the freest possible trade


in goods and services between Britain and the EU's member states.


It should give British companies the maximum


operate within European markets and let European businesses do


She also said no deal would be better than the wrong deal,


We want to test what people think about what she's just said.


Do we have any of our future negotiating


As the European Parliament voted for its new


president, its chief negotiator sounded off.


Saying, OK, if our European counterparts don't accept


it, we're going to make from Britain a sort


of free zone or tax haven, I


The Prime Minister of Malta, the country that's assumed the EU's


rotating presidency, spoke in sorrow and a bit of anger.


We want a fair deal for the United Kingdom, but


that deal necessarily needs to be inferior to membership.


Next, let's hear from some enthusiastic


leavers, like, I don't know, the Daily Mail?


The paper lapped it up with this adoring front page.


For Brexiteers, it was all manna from heaven.


I think today means we are a big step closer to becoming


an independent country again, with control of our own laws,


I was chuckling at some of it, to be honest, because


There were various phrases there which I've used myself again and


Do we have any of those so-called Remoaners?


There will, at the end of this deal process,


so politicians get to vote on the stitch-up, but


We take the view as Liberal Democrats that


if this process started with democracy last June,


We trusted the people with departure, we must trust them


Do we have anyone from Labour, or are you all


watching it in a small room somewhere?


Throughout the speech, there seemed to be an implied threat that


somewhere along the line, if all her optimism of a deal


with the European Union didn't work, we would move


into a low-tax, corporate taxation, bargain-basement economy on the


I think she needs to be a bit clearer about what


The Labour leader suggested he'd tell


his MPs to vote in favour of starting a Brexit process if


Parliament was given the choice, sparking a mini pre-revolt among


Finally, do we have anyone from big business here?


Of course, your all in Davos at the World Economic


Clarity, first of all, really codified what many of us have been


anticipating since the referendum result,


particularly around the


I think what we've also seen today is the Government's


willingness to put a bit of edge into the negotiating dynamic, and I


Trade negotiations are negotiations, and you have to lay out, and you


have to be pretty tough to get what you want.


Although some business people on the slopes speculated


about moving some of their operations out of Brexit Britain.


We saw there the instant reaction of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn,


but how will the party respond to the challenge posed by Brexit


Well, I'm joined now by the Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott.


People know that Ukip and the Tories are for Brexit. The Lib Dems are


four remain. What is Labour for? For respecting the result of the


referendum. It was a 72% turnout, very high for an election of that


nature, and we believe you have to respect that result. You couldn't


have a situation where people like Tim Farron are saying to people,


millions of people, sorry, you got it wrong, we in London no better.


However, how the Tories go forward from here has to be subject to


parliamentary scrutiny. Is it Shadow Cabinet policy to vote for the


triggering of Article 50? Our policy is not to block Article 50. That is


what the leader was saying this morning. So are you for it? Our


policy is not to block it. You are talking about voting for it. We


don't know what the Supreme Court is going to say, and we don't know what


legislation Government will bring forward, and we don't know what


amendment we will move, but we're clear that we will not vote to block


it. OK, so you won't bow to stop it, but you could abstain? No, what we


will do... Either you vote for or against all you abstain. There are


too many unanswered questions. For instance, the position of EU


migrants working and living in this country. You may not get the answer


to that before Article 50 comes before the Commons, so what would


you do then? We are giving to amend it. We can only tell you exactly how


we will amend it when we understand what sort of legislation the


Government is putting forward, and in the course of moving those


amendments, we will ask the questions that the people of Britain


whether they voted to leave remain want answered.


When you come to a collective view, will there be a three line whip? I


can't tell you, because we have not seen the government 's legislation.


But when you see it, you will come to a collective view. Many regard


this as extremely important. Will there be a three line whip on


Labour's collective view? Because it is important, we shouldn't get ahead


of ourselves. When we see what the Supreme Court says, and crucially,


when we see what the government position is, you will hear what the


whipping is. Will shadow ministers be able to defy any three line whip


on this? That is not normally the case. But they did on an early vote


that the government introduced on Article 50. Those who voted against


it are still there. In the Blair years, you certainly couldn't defy a


three line whip. We will see what happens going forward. I remember


when the Tories were hopelessly divided over the EU. All these


Maastricht votes and an list arguments. Now it is Labour. Just


another symptom of Mr Corbyn's poor leadership. Not at all. Two thirds


voted to leave, a third to remain. We are seeking to bring the country


and the party together. We will do that by pointing out how disastrous


a Tory Brexit would be. Meanwhile, around 80 Labour MPs will defy a


three line whip. It's too early to say that. Will you publish what you


believe the negotiating goal should be? We are clear on it. We think


that the economy, jobs and living standards should be the priority.


What Theresa May is saying is that holding her party together is her


priority. She is putting party above country. Does Labour think we should


remain members of the single market? Ideally, in terms of jobs and the


economy, of course. Ritt -ish business thinks that as well. Is


Labour policy that we should remain a member of the single market?


Labour leaves that jobs and the economy comes first, and if they


come first, you would want to remain part of the single market. But to


remain a member? Jobs and the economy comes first, and to do that,


ideally, guess. So with that, comes free movement of people, the


jurisdiction of the European, and a multi-million never shipped thief.


Is Labour prepared to pay that? Money is neither here nor there.


Because the Tories will be asked to pay a lot of money... The EU has


made it clear that you cannot have... I am asking for Labour's


position. Our position is rooted in the reality, and the reality is that


you cannot have the benefits of the member of the European Union,


including being a member of the single market, without


responsibility, including free movement of people. Free movement,


is remaining under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. Is


that the Labour position? You've said that Labour wants to remain a


member of the single market. That is the price tag that comes with it.


Does Labour agree with paying that price tag? We are not pre-empting


negotiation. Our goals are protect jobs and the British economy. Is it


Labour's position that we remain a member of the customs union? Well,


if we don't, I don't see how Theresa May can keep our promises and has


unfettered access... You said Labour's position was clear. It is!


It is clear that Theresa May... I am not asking about Theresa May. Is it


Labour's position to remain a member of the customs union? It is Labour's


position to do what is right for British industry. Depending on how


the negotiations go, it may prove that coming out of the customs


union, as Theresa May has indicated she wants to do, could prove


catastrophic, and could actually destroy some of her promises. You do


accept that if we are member of the customs union, we cannot do our own


free trade deals? What free trade deals are you talking about? The


ones that Labour might want to do in the future. First, we have to


protect British jobs and British industries. If you are talking about


free trade deals with Donald Trump, the danger is that Theresa May will


get drawn into a free-trade deal with America that will open up the


NHS to American corporate... The cards are in Theresa May's hands. If


she takes us out of the single market, if she takes us out of the


customs union, we will have to deal with that. How big a crisis for


Jeremy Corbyn will be if Labour loses both by-elections in February.


I don't believe we will lose both. But if he did? I am not anticipating


that. Is Labour lost two seats in a midterm of a Tory government, would


that be business as usual? I'm not prepared to see us lose those seats,


so I will not talk about something that will not happen. Thank you.


You're watching the Sunday Politics.


We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now


Coming up here in 20 minutes, The Week Ahead,


when we'll be talking to Business Minister Margot James


about the government's new industrial strategy and that


crucial Supreme Court ruling on Brexit.


And in the East Midlands: Politics where you are.


What impact will leaving the single market have on our region?


Jobs at risk in some areas, but elsewhere, businesses


We've most definitely improved since Brexit.


We've had a 20% increase in orders, with recorded my staff in


order that we can deal with the orders, and also we have bigger


And it's meant to be a formula for fairer funding, but


hundreds of schools across the region are set to lose tens of


thousands of pounds, whilst others are set to gain.


This is a double whammy for Nottingham's schools and


They were already facing difficult times, now they are going


My guests this week are Maggie Throup, who's the Conservative MP


And Lilian Greenwood, the Labour MP for Nottingham South.


First, though, the HS2 road show hit the


Plans for the new high-speed route through the


region have been on display at villages in Leicestershire, where


local people were invited to look at the latest details.


Meanwhile, the Transport Secretary launched the


search for a company to build trains for the new route this week.


Well, you can tell me, what might the organisers


Because really not a lot has been decided about HS2 so far.


We know that it's now coming to the region,


which is really good news for local economy.


Virtually, the route is decided, yes.


My constituents will be affected and that I'm


fighting for really good compensation for both


the residents and businesses that are going to lose


So, it's early days yet, but we do know


it's going to be be a hub in Taunton and most of the route is finalised.


There's certainly a lot of concern among those who near to the route


Are you worried about the slow progress in this field?


I mean, I think it a long process of taking forward a


major infrastructure projects of this sort and part of the reason


for that is the time it's taken to properly consult


and there will be a long period of consultation to


ensure that the fine detail is right to take on board the impact


on the local area, on the local environment and quite rightly,


Maggie and other people will have a part


In terms of the contract, which we mentioned, 2.7


billion, it's a juicy contract, I mean, one would hope Bombardier


and associated firms would get a swing at that.


I mean, the whole region is renowned for the rail industry.


Whether it's the tracks or the rolling stock, so


I think some of our local businesses are going to release either


businesses boom as a result of HS2 and I want to


encourage them all to be part of that tendering process


businesses get a lot of those tenders.


And, Lillian, is it important that Bombardier get this


contact, given what may or may not be heading the future?


It's hugely important for our East Midlands rail


industry, which isn't of course just Bombardier.


We've got the biggest cluster of rail engineering firms


in the world here in the East Midlands.


And what I'd like to know from the Government


procurement process, are they going to be able to take


into account the local economic and social impact


Because we don't want what has happened to the


Thameslink, where of course that contract was in place with Siemens


rather than one of our domestic train builders.


And that HS2 road show will be on trail next


week and in Long Eaton, too, which might be interesting,


given that the route cuts right through the town as we have heard.


So, we could see a boost for train makers, but what of


What does Theresa May's announcement that we will be leaving


the single market mean for our region?


There are reports of jobs under threat in some areas, but


other companies are reporting that business has boomed following the


Here's our political editor Tony Roe.


Unemployment remains at an 11 year low.


No comfort though for the 280 and the pizza factory in Nottingham,


who this week learnt their jobs are to go.


It's not clear, but they lost a massive Tesco order.


The fall in the pound since the Brexit vote


has raised the price of what the import.


But for this company, Brexit is good news.


A1 Flues from Ollerton, has had the best six months in the


company cosmic history, with high profile projects like the shard and


We've most definitely improved since Brexit.


We've had a 20% increase in orders, we've recruited more staff


in order to deal with the orders and also, the bigger orders are


And the fall of the pound is good news for exports.


We've got a lot more explort interest now.


We've got an agent over in the Middle East, so


Whether that's anything to do with Brexit,


we are not 100% sure, but it


As economies grow, our towns and cities


Derby is now the marketplace for a aero-engines, trains and cars.


This week in an interview with the Financial


Times, the Toyota boss said the company, after Theresa May's


speech, now has to consider how they can survive in the UK.


How's that gone down in Derby, the city which


benefits most from Toyota's presence?


I think that these people, the likes of Toyota and that,


they're probably looking for moving production over to Eastern Europe,


When Toyota say things like they've said, does that worry you slightly?


It does concern me, but I think there are going to


be these symptoms and we are going to have to deal with that.


There's going to be some peaks and troughs,


but overall, I think we have to give it some time.


I wonder if they are trying to find if they could


have a hand-out like Nissan, because I am sure they will be


persuaded to stop with a little sweetener, but will we be


Perhaps that's why Toyota have said what they have.


The unions are reassured by commitments to the UK


from Toyota and Rolls-Royce, but have many more


Rolls-Royce received a significant amount


Again, they have committed themselves to the UK,


which is good, but we have a question as the trade union that


says, you rode your buss around saying you're going to give ?350


million every day to the health service, you are going to give


17,000 to every farmer and continue to make those payments and


yet you don't want to be making all these other


The Prime Minister has promised a bold,


confident and an open Britain, but some Tory MPs have said if we


abandon the single market, there will be economic consequences.


The key to the future is going to be how


we get access to that single market when we leave the EU.


Tony, you been speaking obviously to the


What is the feeling, do you think, across


the region about this very vital issue of leaving the single market?


I think the word that businesses, in particular, use more than any is


They don't have that certainty at the moment about what's


going to happen and we are just seeing really the effects of the


referendum vote more than anything else


We have had some figures this week from which show


that after a record low, the number of insolvencies of businesses are


starting to creep up again, in the East Midlands particularly in


manufacturing in the last six months of last year.


Maggie Throup, what's your reaction to the speech?


It was perhaps harder edged and more pro-hard Brexit than some would


for some clarity over the situation and that's what the Prime


So many of my businesses that I've been speaking to since the


speech were saying, "We have clarity.


"We now know where we stand and we can move forward and we can


"plan on the grounds that we will be leaving the single market."


The single market is the single market for goods,


services and the free movement of people.


I think the referendum was quite clear that people were against


the free movement of people across the European Borders.


And that's the thing that the Prime Minister has


So, does it seem to you in that speech that


that she is putting immigration above the economy?


Because that's what voters voted for it in the referendum.


But actually being able to control our borders.


She now is quite adamant that we will negotiate a


free trade agreement with the EU and, let's face it, with countries


The message was, we are open for business.


Controlling immigration and controlling Borders as one and


It's making sure that we have the people here to fill the gap


in the skills that are there, but is also important that we look


to see what the gaps are and try to work


business and schools together so we can fill out the gaps, without


Lilian Greenwood, that is absolutely right, we have to be able to control


our borders and control who comes in and when?


I think the real concern from Theresa May pot speech is the


It's a rollback from the Conservatives.


In the 2015 general election manifesto, they said yes to


It's the biggest trading bloc and the world and if we


are outside the single market and we are in successful


in negotiating that kind of free trade arrangement


with the EU, then we will face a huge tariffs on our goods and that


could be hugely damaging, not just to our manufacturers, but other


industries within the East Midlands that we rely on.


But isn't the Labour Party really playing catch up on


Your party has never really understood


voters' concerns about immigration and would rather not talk about it


I completely understand voters' concerns about the impact it


potentially has on jobs and services and that's why it was a big mistake


by the Conservatives to scrap the migration


impact fund, but there are


We see that certainly very clearly in Nottingham.


One of our biggest export's higher education.


If we are not able to bring in the brightest in the past,


whether its students or staff, that could be an


absolute disaster for Nottingham's economy.


The education select committee took evidence last week


around the impact of Brexit on the EU and the Vice Chancellor


of Oxford Brookes University said that it


would be an absolute disaster if we are not able to access


the brightest and the best from across the EU.


I don't think that is what the Prime Minister's saying, though.


She's actually saying that we could control our borders, not to close


I think there's a huge difference there.


But we know that if we make it very difficult for


people to come here and if you tighten up these


visa immigration rules, it prevents students and


We've seen that already happened when it comes


It will have a huge impact if we want to keep the


quality of our research universities.


OK, we will have to leave it there for the moment.


But I suppose an example of how it the


politics and the economics all become intermingled, but this is a


particularly interesting aspect in this region,


because although voting heavily for Brexit in this region, some of


our politicians here have been leading the campaign for a softer


In the Commons this week two of our MPs were keen for the Prime


Minister to consult more with Parliament.


Before Article 50 is triggered, would she please consider


at least publishing all those 12 objectives in a White Paper so that


we can debate them here in this place on behalf of all our


Could she clarify whether she anticipates this house


having an opportunity to vote its approval for those


policies earlier than two years away, when the whole


Tony, as we were seeing, many of our MPs are among the most prominent


campaigners for a so-called softer Brexit.


So, what was their mood after Theresa May's speech?


We saw Ken Clarke there and Ken Clarke, if


there is any MP in East Midlands who's going to vote against Article


He made it plain after the speech from Theresa May this week that he


didn't think she'd said anything new at all.


On the other hand, we have Nicky Morgan and Anna Soubry who


are both very vocal in wanting to have access to the single market


and free movement of labour, let's not forget.


And they seem, after the speech, to soften their stance


somewhat on to say that the 12 point plan had


some positive points in the


wanted to take those positive points away


future and try to get that access to the single market.


It's interesting, isn't it, Maggie, if we're talking


about splits within the Labour Party on this, but there are certainly


splits within the Conservative Party in terms of the soft Brexiteers and


I think we have even stopped disagreeing now.


My colleagues in the chamber during the week, obviously, they do


like what the Prime Minister's saying.


I think one of the messages from Theresa was actually building


consensus and she seems to be doing that.


Yeah, Anna Soubry did say that she didn't think


it was a hard Brexit, what the Prime Minister was saying.


Well, maybe more nuanced than some observers


I mean, Ken Clarke is going to vote against triggering Article


It looks like it and Ken has a lot of experience.


I wouldn't want to say anything against Ken.


He's a great politician and he has some


great work and he really believes in what he's doing at the moment.


OK, Lilian Greenwood, where do you stand on Article 50?


Because it has been some confusion about whether Labour MPs


are going to be whipped into triggering it, approvingly


triggering of it and, well, are they going to be whipped?


Well, I think all Labour MPs, you know, we saw the


result of the referendum and we want to respect the choice


of the British people, but equally, having seen


what Theresa May has come out with, it's very concerning and I want to


see the motion in what amendments are put down to it,


that my constituents didn't vote for is to worse off.


And while she may be aiming for a soft Brexit, she


says she wants to have free trade with Europe,


she wants to avoid some of the bureaucracy that would come


from being outside the customs union, there is absolutely no


guarantee that she's going to be able to negotiate those things.


Can I just ask you, will you vote to trigger Article 50?


Well, I'm going to wait and see with the motion says


I'm very conscious of what my constituents think.


I want to be talking to them and consulting with


them and I'm very concerned about the future for the economy, for


workers' rights, for environmental protections and how those might be


thrown away, giving Theresa May's negotiating stance.


And just briefly, Maggie, do you think there


will be a timely vote or will it be a piecemeal vote early on and you


won't get an actual vote on the deal as it is decided on?


The Prime Minister in her speech said that


there will be a vote in both houses of Parliament about the final deal.


OK, for now, thank you very much indeed.


Next, many schools in a region are counting


Next, many schools in a region are counting the cost of a proposed


The idea is to iron out historical differences, which


have seen some areas get far more per pupil than others.


The Government says that more half of the country's


schools will see an increase, but in one of our cities, almost every


Before school starts, a chance to get food for the brain.


These breakfast clubs now operate at every primary school in


You're allowed to see your friends and it's really nice to


I like it, because it's fun and I get to talk


to my friends and it gets me ready for the day.


I can do different activities, like colouring, playing


In Nottingham city, 85 out of 87 schools will be


worse off because of the new funding formula.


Here, they will have to save ?48,000 - the equivalent


Extracurricular activities like these Breakfast club's


When you're organising the school budget, you look at how you can


organise that funding right across and making sure that you're


providing services and opportunities for children.


If we have to reduce the office numbers and the admin,


actually, then we might need to pass that cost


Whilst city schools seem to be the real losers from the funding


formula, many headteachers in rural areas will have more money to play


Although, in Nottinghamshire County, most schools will still have


Unions say that when inflation is taken into


account, the overwhelming majority are facing deep cuts.


Hardly robbing from the rich to give to the poor.


The problem is that there is money being diverted to some of the


wealthiest parts of the country, in places like Buckinghamshire and


Cambridgeshire, from both Nottingham city


and Nottinghamshire County and


Ministers insist funding for schools is at


a record high and the new formula will end


the postcode lottery of the


Ultimately though, it's up to the schools themselves to make


Now, Lilian Greenwood, the Government obviously would be in


touch with the Department and in the adamant that


overall, Nottingham and


Nottinghamshire will see an increase in funding.


0.3% in Nottingham and 1.8% for Nottinghamshire.


Every single school in my constituency is going


Not just as a result of the funding formula, which takes


money away from Nottingham schools, but as a result of the flat funding,


which means real-time cuts of 8% for schools.


Every school practically across the country is a loser and


Nottingham city schools are some of the worst hit.


But overall, the DFE said Nottingham will still be one of


the highest funded areas in the county, no doubt


because there may be special issues, but that's the bear


Well, I think if you went to any school in my


constituency and said, you've got to make savings, you've got to cut


further, they are going to have to cut into...


If it's not teachers, to be teaching assistants or other


It's the sort of extracurricular activities that we


They are working hard to try to make sure


that young people in my city get the best possible start


and if they have fewer resources, that's going to be


The truth is, the Government need to be more


funding into education to ensure that we can really deliver on the


sort of high-quality learning children need.


Maggie Throup, why do some schools apparently have to take a


cut in order to improve funding for others?


We hear that Nottingham's cuts will give more money to schools


in places like Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire.


I think what this is doing is getting rid of the


Because at the moment, the inner city schools tend


to get more funding in schools in rural areas.


There are a lot of areas of deprivation in the rule


economy as well, so you can't just have this postcode blanket approach.


You need to have a look at how the money will actually follow


the pupil and for me, that's the most important thing.


Just talking about the Breakfast Club, the new proposed


levy on the sugary drinks industry is actually going to...


Some of that is going to go to more breakfast


clubs, which I think is really important.


I think the other thing as well, the proposals for the funding


formula is still out to consultation.


So people can contribute to that consultation and


It's open until towards the end of March, so nothing is finalised yet.


Well, that's a very good point and also, Lilian Greenwood, this


You cannot blame the Government for trying to do


something about the inequality that previously existed.


I don't think it's wrong to look to have a


fairer funding formula, but you can't do that


without putting more money into the system.


We know that schools are already struggling with


pay rises, extra national insurance contributions, extra money to be


They've not had any money from the Government


to help them cope with those extra costs that they faced and therefore,


it would mean cuts to the quality of education they are able to provide.


And the question I asked Maggie is, you know,


one of your schools is, I think it


is the largest loser in the whole of Derbyshire.


I don't know what you're going to say to them.


Well, I think it's how you actually spend that


The academy you mentioned has got a fantastic new headteacher.


I know that the ethos she brings to the school


It's the ethos of the school that's important.


It's time now for a round-up of some of the other


political stories from the East Midlands this week.


Parents in Derby want the city's council to bring a


long-running strike by school teaching assistants to an end.


The ongoing dispute with the City Council


over cuts in pay of up to


?6,000 a year has seen them take action every day this week.


Hospital managers say they are still not in a


position to reopen Grantham's accident


The department has been shut between 6:30pm and 9am since last


The family of the former Leicester West


MP Lord Janner has asked to be allowed to take part in the enquiry


The Labour peer who died in 2015 is alleged to


have abused youngsters over a 30 year period.


His family have always strongly denied the claims.


Nottingham is considering a bid to become the European capital of


In the past, the title has brought an economic boost to cities


The announcement on whether the City Council is applying will be


And there is another busy week to come.


That is the Sunday Politics in the East Midlands.


My thanks to Maggie Throup and Lilian Greenwood.


have to do this. Thank you to you both.


What exactly is the government's industrial strategy?


Will ministers lose their supreme court battle over Brexit, and,


Well, tomorrow Theresa May is launching the government's


industrial strategy - and to talk about that we're joined


by the Business Minister, Margot James - welcome to the show.


When you look at what has already been released in advance of the


Prime Minister's statement, it was embargoed for last night, it's not


really an industrial strategy, it's just another skills strategy, of


which we have had about six since the war, and our skills training is


among the worst in Western Europe? There will be plenty more to be


announced tomorrow in what is really a discussion document in the


preparation of an industrial strategy which we intend to launch


properly later in the year. Let's look at skills. You are allocating


117 of funding to establish institutes of technology. How many?


The exact number is to be agreed, but the spend is there, and it will


be on top of what we are doing to the university, technical


colleges... How many were lit bio create? We don't know exactly, but


we want to put them in areas where young people are performing under


the national average. But if you don't know how many, what is the


basis of 170 million? That is the amount the Treasury have released.


The something that is very important, we are agreed we need to


devote more resources to vocational training and get it on a par with


academic qualifications. I looked on the website of my old university,


the University of Glasgow, the Russell group universities. Its


spending budget every year is over 600 million. That's one University.


And yet you have a mere 170 million foreign unspecified number of


institutes of technology. It hasn't got equality with the academics? You


have to remember that just as you have quoted figures from Glasgow


University there are further education colleges all over the


country. The government is already spending on 16 to 19-year-olds. But


also, we are going to be adding... This is new money that is all to the


good, because we are already spending a lot. We have already


created 2 million more apprentices since 2010. That many are not in


what we would call the stem skills, and a lot come nowhere near what the


Dutch, Germans and Austrians would have. I'm not clear how another 170


million would do. You said it is more than skills. In what way is


this industrial strategy different from what Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne


did before? It's different because it is involving every single


government department, and bringing together everything that government


does in a bid to make Britain more competitive as it disengages from


the European Union. That is what the last Labour government did. They


will much more targeted interventions. Under the Labour


government, the auto industry got some benefit. A few more sectors


were broached under the coalition government. This is all about


communities all over the country, some of whom have fallen behind in


terms of wage growth and good jobs. The Prime Minister has already


announced 2 billion as a research and development priority in specific


technologies, robotics, artificial intelligence, medical technology,


satellites... So you are doing what has been done before. There is


nothing new about this. Wait until tomorrow, because there will be some


new strands emerging. It is the beginning of the dialogue with


industry and with workers, and the responses will be invited up until


April. That will inform a wider strategy that goes beyond skills. I


have moved on to beyond them. I'm slightly puzzled as to how the


government knows where to invest in robotics, when it can't even provide


the NHS with a decent IT system. Discuss. I have to say I find it


bizarre that the government is making an announcement about an


amount of money and don't know where it's going. This is typical of all


governments over all political shoes, which is total disregard for


technical education, so different from Germany, who actually invest in


the technological side. Germany has a long history. We want to emulate


some of the best of what German companies do. Siemens sponsor


primary schools, for example. We want to get a dialogue on with


business. We don't want to decide where this money is going. By the


way, it was 4.7 billion that the government has agreed to invest in


science and research, which is the most significant increase in


decades. Can you remind us what happened in Northern Ireland, when


the government invested money in state-of-the-art technology for


energy? No one needs to be reminded of that, and that is not what we are


doing. We are inviting business and industry to advise where that money


is best spent. That's very different from government deciding that a


particular technology is for the future. The government's chief


scientific adviser has determined that we will invest a huge amount in


battery technology, which should benefit the electric car industry,


and... This is taxpayers' money. Who gets it? Ultimately, business will


get it, but often only when there is a considerable amount of private


sector finance also drawn in. But who is held to account? Various


government departments at local authorities will hold this list to


account. A lot of it is about releasing private capital as well.


Thank you very much. This week, the Supreme Court, I think we know the


ruling is coming on Tuesday. And the expectation is that the judges will


say Parliament will have to vote to trigger. Is this all much ado about


nothing? Parliament will vote to trigger, and the government will win


in the Lords and the Commons by substantial majorities, and it will


be triggered? Completely. We've known that. Parliament is voted.


Everyone is pretty confident that the Supreme Court will uphold the


High Court's decision and say it has to go to MPs. There will be a bit of


toing and froing among MPs on amendments. You heard Diane Abbott's


slightly car crash interview there. The Lib Dems may throw something in,


but we will trigger Article 50 by the end of March. If it also says


that the roll of Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast should be picked up,


that could complicate matters. Absolutely. That could delay the


planned triggering of Article 50 before the end of March. Not what


they say about the Westminster Parliament, because it is clear that


it was. I never understood the furore about that original judgment,


because every MP made it clear they wouldn't block it. Even though Diane


Abbott was evasive on several fronts, she said they wouldn't block


it. You are right, if they give a vote, or give some authorisation for


the Scottish Parliament and other devolved assemblies, that might


delay the whole sequence. That is the only significant thing to watch


out for. Watch out on Tuesday. Mrs May goes to Washington. It will be


another movie in the making! I would suggest that she has a tricky line


to follow. She has got to be seen to be taking advantage of the fact that


there is a very pro-British, pro-Brexit president in the Oval


Office, who I am told is prepared to expend political capital on this.


But on the other hand, to make sure that she is not what we used to call


Mr Blair, George Bush's poodle. It is very difficult, and who would not


want to be a fly on the wall in that meeting! I can't think of anyone in


the world who would despise Mr Trump more than Mrs May, and for him, he


dislikes any woman who does not look like a supermodel, no disrespected


Mrs May. Most of it is actually anti-EU, and I think we should


capitalise it. Let's get the Queen to earn her money, roll out the red


carpet, invite him to dinner, spend the night, what ever we need...


Trump at Balmoral! Here is the issue, because the agenda is, as we


heard from Ted Malloch earlier, that this is not an administration that


has much time for the EU, EU integration or Germany. I think


Germany will be the second biggest loser to begin with. They will not


even give a date for Angela Merkel to meet the president. This is an


opportunity for Mrs May... It is a huge. It could sideline talks of the


punishment beating from Germany. The Trump presidency has completely


changed the field on Brexit. Along came Donald Trump, and Theresa May


has this incredible opportunity here. Not of her making, but she has


played her cards well. To an officially be the EU emissary to


Washington, to get some sort of broker going. That gives us huge


extra leveraged in the Brexit negotiations. People around the


world think Germany as a currency manipulator, that it is benefiting


from an underpriced euro, hence the huge surplus it runs of America, and


they think it is disgraceful that a country that runs a massive budget


surplus spends only 1.2% of its GDP on defence, and America runs a


massive deficit and needs to spend a lot more. He's going for Germany.


And what a massive shift. I think Obama was quite open, in a farewell


interview, that he felt closer to Merkel than any other European


leader. And Jamie kind of reflected that in our discussion. Yes, that's


very interesting discussion. I think she was the last person he spoke to


in the White House, Obama. And now you are getting the onslaught from


Trump. This Thatcher- Reagan imagery is dangerous, though. Blair was


hypnotised by it and was too scared to criticise Bush, because he wanted


to be seen in that light, and we know where that led. Cameron


similarly with Obama, which presented him with problems, as


Obama didn't regard him as his number one pin up in Europe. I would


put a note of caution in there about the Thatcher - Reagan parallel.


Everything Trump is doing now is different from before, so Mrs May


should not have any of these previous relationships in her mind.


That is not entirely true. Donald Trump aches to be the new Ronald


Reagan. He may be impeached first! He sees her as the new Margaret


Thatcher, and that may her leveraged with him. Thank you.


We'll be back here at the same time next week, and you can catch up


on all the latest political news on the Daily Politics,


In the meantime, remember - if it's Sunday,


It's just pain, but it doesn't feel like pain,


it feels much more violent, dark and exciting.


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