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Jeremy Corbyn struggles to get a grip on the turmoil inside his | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
party after Ken Livingstone's comments on Hitler and Zionism. | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
But will the Labour leader's latest anti-semitism review draw | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
Despite demands he should be booted out, Mr Livingstone insists he'll | :00:49. | :00:56. | |
fight to stay in the party, and refuses to apologise for saying | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
We'll discuss the implications for Labour and its leader. | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
The row comes just days before Thursday's elections across the UK. | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
We'll hear from Lib Dem leader Tim Farron and | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
In the capital - with four days to go until Londoners decide, | :01:17. | :01:27. | |
The Conservative candidate Zac Goldsmith will be here to set out | :01:28. | :01:37. | |
why he should be London now. -- mayor. | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
And with me for the duration - Nick Watt, Janan Ganesh | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
They'll all be tweeting using the hashtag #bbcsp. | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
This time last week Jeremy Corbyn was in a pretty good place. | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
He'd put in a decent performance at PMQs, | :01:50. | :01:50. | |
the Tories were ripping themselves apart over the EU referendum | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
and any Labour rows seemed small beer in comparison. | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
But that was before the Guido Fawkes political blog uncovered | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
anti-Semitic tweets from a novice Labour backbencher called Naz Shah - | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
made before she was an MP - and Ken Livingstone called Hitler | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
in her aid - perhaps not the most helpful of modern | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
political interventions - leading to his suspension, | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
along with Ms Shah's from the party and calls for him to be | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
So what might have been no more than a little local difficulty has | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
become the biggest crisis in Mr Corbyn's leadership. | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
Here's Ellie with a reminder of how the story unfolded. | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
I accept and understand that the words are used caused upset | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
and hurt to the Jewish community, and I deeply regret that. | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
Naz Shah was apologising for this - a Facebook post that suggested | :02:43. | :02:50. | |
She'd shared it and other offensive comments two years ago. | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
On Tuesday afternoon she resigned as Parliamentary Private Secretary | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
to the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell. | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
The next day a fellow shadow frontbencher was calling | :03:02. | :03:08. | |
There has to be a suspension and an investigation when something | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
like this occurs, because it is so serious and it does have such | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
a knock on effect on people outside of parliament, in the real world. | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
Moments later, the Prime Minister waded in. | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
The fact that, frankly, we have a Labour Member | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
of Parliament, with the Labour Whip, who made remarks about | :03:27. | :03:28. | |
the transportation of people from Israel to America and talked | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
about "a solution", and is still in receipt of the Labour whip | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
After hours of speculation, Naz Shah, who was only elected | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
last year, was suspended from the Labour Party | :03:41. | :03:41. | |
But if the Labour leadership had hoped it would draw | :03:42. | :03:48. | |
a line under the issue, they were sorely disappointed, | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
because the next day, this happened... | :03:51. | :03:52. | |
You didn't find that to be anti-Semitic? | :03:53. | :03:54. | |
You have to remember, when Hitler won his election | :03:55. | :04:01. | |
in 1932 his policy then was Jews should be moved to Israel. | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
He was supporting Zionism, before he went mad and ended up | :04:05. | :04:06. | |
You Nazi apologist, you Nazi apologisist. | :04:07. | :04:15. | |
Rewriting history, rewriting history! | :04:16. | :04:16. | |
Go back and check what Hitler did, go back and check what Hitler did. | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
There was a book called Mein Kampf, you obviously haven't heard of it. | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
Ken Livingstone was on the phone to another radio station | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
when he got interrupted by the Labour MP John Mann. | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
Watched by most of the country's media, they took it inside | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
and continued their interesting difference of opinion | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
You dare say, you dare say Hitler supported Zionism. | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
I think you've lost it, Mr Livingstone. | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
It's a deliberate, calculated attempt to cause problems, | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
You certainly shouldn't be an Labour's National Executive. | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
I've not said Hitler was a Zionist, what I said was his policy in ' 2 | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
was to deport Germany's Jews to Israel. | :05:05. | :05:05. | |
John Mann was called to the Chief Whip's office for that | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
and told he shouldn't have big rows on the telly. | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
Other MPs voiced their opinion in Parliament instead. | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
Anti-Semitism is wrong, full stop, end of story. | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
I am sick and tired of people trying to explain it away - | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
and yes - I'm talking to you, Ken Livingstone. | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
Less than an hour later Ken Livingstone was suspended | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
from the Labour Party, and chased by the media. | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
Do you want to apologise for causing any offence? | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
While Ken was indisposed, Jeremy Corbyn was trying not to let | :05:36. | :05:43. | |
the issue occupy his local election campaigning, even if he had been | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
forced to suspend one of his closest allies. | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
It's not a crisis, there is no crisis. | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
Where there is any racism in the party, it will be dealt with, | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
I have been an anti-racist campaigner all my life. | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
I suspect that much of this criticism, that you're saying | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
about a crisis in the party, actually comes from those | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
who are nervous of the strength of the Labour Party at local level. | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
But it has been a damaging week for Labour, whose leadership | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
promised to get a grip on anti-Semitism. | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
Ken Livingstone insisted he had nothing more to say. | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
I've got to do the washing now, doing some work on the pond, | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
Well, Ken Livingstone didn't stay quiet for long. | :06:25. | :06:34. | |
In fact yesterday morning he appeared on the London radio | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
After the broadcast, he had this to say to | :06:38. | :06:46. | |
If people have been offended, I'm really sorry about that. | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
But they're not offended because I said the truth, | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
exactly the same thing as the Prime Minister of Israel said | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
48 hours earlier, they've been offended by the scrutiny | :06:55. | :06:56. | |
of embittered old Blairite MPs stirring up all these | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
accusations of anti-Semitism, when I said on the programme 80 | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
Labour Party Jewish members have a letter in the Guardian | :07:05. | :07:06. | |
today saying they've never experienced anti-Semitism | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
We've had a handful of people who have said things | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
They have been suspended or expelled immediately by Jeremy. | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
It is filled with people campaigning against racism and anti-Semitism. | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
Speaking on BBC One earlier this morning, | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
the new Israeli Ambassador to the UK, Mark Regev, | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
said a line has been crossed in the anti-semitism row | :07:28. | :07:29. | |
Of course people have the right to criticise the government of Israel - | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
If you follow the very vigorous public debates | :07:37. | :07:44. | |
we have in my country, you'll know that every | :07:45. | :07:46. | |
government position is open to debate in the parliament, | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
in the press, in a very, very robust civil society. | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
It's not about criticising Israel, it's about demonising | :07:52. | :07:52. | |
The comments we've heard over the last two or three weeks | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
that were made public, it has nothing to do | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
with criticising this or that particular Israeli policy - | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
it's demonising and a vilification of my country, and its | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
But Jeremy Corbyn's close ally Diane Abbott told Andrew Marr | :08:07. | :08:15. | |
that Labour doesn't have a problem with anti-semitism. | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
The reality is that there have been 12 for incidents in the period | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
when Jeremy's leader, and some of those remarks predate | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
200,000 people have joined the party. | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
What is your message to him now should he apologise properly? | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
Have you ever known Ken apologise for anything? | :08:37. | :08:38. | |
No, but this might be the time to start! | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
Ken's remarks were extremely offensive. | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
He was suspended within hours, there's going to be an investigation | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
and the party will decide what happens to Ken. | :08:48. | :08:55. | |
We did ask the Labour Party for an interview with someone | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
from the Shadow Cabinet, but no one was available. | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
We're joined now from Exeter by the former Labour culture | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
Welcome to the programme. In your view how big a problem does Labour | :09:05. | :09:19. | |
have with anti-Semitism? Well, in a week where the Conservatives are | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
doing terrible damage to our education system, the National | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
Health Service and are themselves apart on Europe, I would not want to | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
be on your programme on Sunday talking about this. In a way I agree | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
with Diane Abbott, I don't think we have a massive problem but the way | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
we have mishandled this whole crisis, which has been going on for | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
weeks, although Ken Livingstone has done his best to make it worse, the | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
way we have handled the crisis has made it seem worse than it is. What | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
do you make of Ken Livingstone's claim this is just basically a group | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
of embittered old Blairite MPs trying to undermine the new order? | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
I've seen you would include you in that. | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
One of the first people to call for Ken Livingstone to leave the party | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
was John Lassman, the head of Momentum, on the hard left. I think | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
the popular left-wing commentator Owen Jones was also very quick to | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
call for Ken Livingstone's resignation so to try to describe | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
this as some Blairite... , it looks more like some left on left battle. | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
I am increasingly of the view Ken Livingstone is a Conservative Party | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
spy who has been planted in the Labour Party and has now emerged to | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
do as much damage as he possibly can to the Labour Party. That is | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
certainly the view of my loyal Labour Party members and activists | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
and voters who came up to me asking what was going on. They were | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
outraged by his comments and defeat comes back into the party, they | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
won't vote for the party. Jeremy has finally gripped it this week with | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
the inquiry but we have got to act quickly and decisively. Has Jeremy | :11:01. | :11:10. | |
Corbyn let it drag on? There have been very sensible voices across the | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
political spectrum in the Labour Party who, for several weeks if not | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
months, have been raising concerns about this and calling for quite | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
simple and sensible solutions to wait. I think if they had been | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
listened to earlier, we could have nipped this problem in the bud. I | :11:26. | :11:35. | |
hope it has now been gripped but it will be judged on what we do. | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
Parties are judged on what they do, not what they say. The leadership | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
have said all the right things, we now need to see action. What is the | :11:45. | :11:51. | |
difference between Ken Livingstone's attitude to Israel and the Jews and | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's attitude to Israel and the Jews? I'm not quite sure I'm | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
qualified to comment on either of their attitudes to Israel and the | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
Jews. All I know is someone who has been a very strong friend of | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
Palestine, a supporter of the two state solution, the Labour Party has | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
a proud tradition of believing and supporting Israel as a state with | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
the right to exist but I think there is a problem on parts of the left. | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
They don't seem to recognise where criticism... Legitimate criticism | :12:25. | :12:32. | |
crosses over to hatred for Israel and anti-Semitism. The Labour Party | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
supports absolutely Israel's right to exist. We always have and I hope | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
we always will. We also support a Palestinian state and if we allow | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
ourselves to be diverted from that sensible position which is held by | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
all progressives all over the world, that will be a very dangerous path | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
in my view. Are you clear in your mind that Ken Livingstone and Jeremy | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
Corbyn support Israel's right to exist? I cannot speak for them, I | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
can just speak for myself. I am not inside their brains and I think | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
anybody who tried to get inside Ken Livingstone's brain would find that | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
a very challenging process. So you are not sure your leaders support | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
Israel's right to exist? The Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn I am sure | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
100% support Israel's right to exist, but these are questions the | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
leader can speak for on behalf of himself. The chance would be a nice | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
thing but we are grateful to speak to you. In your view, I know there | :13:36. | :13:48. | |
is due process to follow, should Ken Livingstone be rejected from the | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
Labour Party? Countless Labour Party members and supporters came up to me | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
on the streets of Exeter yesterday where we are fighting very important | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
and tough local council elections on Thursday to say that if he came | :14:02. | :14:09. | |
back, they wouldn't vote for us If he was brought back, what would be | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
the reaction amongst your colleagues? I think they would be | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
dismayed. There is genuine anger about the damage this has done at a | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
time when the Conservatives should be on the ropes. We should be 2 % | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
ahead in the opinion polls, we are behind, facing very difficult local | :14:29. | :14:36. | |
elections. We are not being an effective opposition because the | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
talk is all about turmoil in Labour. Labour people are furious about | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
that, they want the leadership to get a grip, they want to be an | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
effective opposition and they want to make sure we win the next | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
election and the elections across the UK and in London. Thanks for | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
joining us. Apologies for the quality of the sound. Nick Watt how | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
much is this being used by those opposed to Jeremy Corbyn to | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
undermine his leadership? Yes, certainly the majority of the PLP | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
don't support his leadership. A significant number of them would | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
like to get him out, hope to do so after the European referendum. That | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
had appeared to go away and now we have this crisis so maybe it will | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
come back but I think those people who want to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
are not rubbing their hands and saying doesn't this make him look | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
awful. They are, as most people in the Labour Party are, horrified by | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
what this makes the Labour Party look like to the electorate as a | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
whole and would like to deal with it. If you have two senior figures | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
running after each other on stairways, whatever the cause, that | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
looks dreadful for voters but then the issue you are talking about is | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
supremely sensitive issue of anti-Semitism and the people I talk | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
to who want to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn just hate what is going and | :16:02. | :16:08. | |
feel that it is very dangerous and sensitive territory for the Labour | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
Party. Where does it go from here? It depends whether the party decides | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
this is just an embarrassment that can be got over. This is when Jeremy | :16:16. | :16:22. | |
Corbyn's leadership stopped being funny, it is serious and it is not | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
an accident or the mistake of judgment that meant he didn't get | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
rid of Ken Livingstone immediately. They are very old allies, they go | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
back a long way and you have to understand that this juncture of | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
reality, the perception is so confused. I started my life on the | :16:40. | :16:46. | |
Trotskyist left. I knew people, in fact I was in Hornsea when Jeremy | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
Corbyn was on the council there These people socialise with each | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
other, marry each other, they never go outside of their very closed self | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
referring political activist circle. So that picture that Jeremy Corbyn's | :17:02. | :17:08. | |
first white painted of him standing over a photocopier eating baked | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
beans, we all knew that person in the 1970s. These people live within | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
their closed political frame of reference, that's why there was this | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
horrendous misunderstanding of the significance of what Ken Livingstone | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
had done and said. When they called John Mann in, they insisted the | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
whip's office called him in to be disciplined as if there was some | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
kind of moral equivalence between what Ken Livingstone had said and | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
what John Mann had said in reprimanding him, that is another | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
reflection of how out of touch they are. People will wonder why the | :17:43. | :17:49. | |
Labour Party, which has a long historic track record of fighting | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
racism, introduced legislation going way back to the 1960s on something | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
like this, why does it now have to have an investigation into racism | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
and a code of conduct on racism Because they have at the very least | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
turned a blind eye to this kind of behaviour, I would imagine for about | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
30 years now. I'm only surprised that other people are surprised by | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
this incident. In the 1980s people like Ken Livingstone were giving | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
views not just on Zionism but on the foreign policy issues that were | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
strident to say the least. When Frank Dobson was installed rather | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
than Ken Livingstone as London mayoral candidate, a huge part of | :18:35. | :18:44. | |
the soft left took Ken's side, now we have this disproportionate | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
punishment of John Mann versus Ken. For a pattern of my lifetime there | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
is an indulgence towards this behaviour and the only surprised | :18:56. | :18:57. | |
that it has taken this amount of time for it to manifest in a crystal | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
clear crisis which I imagine makes the average swing voter look upon | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
Labour as something unpalatable Will it have an effect on Thursday's | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
elections? Sadiq Khan is nervous it will have an effect on him as the | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
candidate for London mayor. He nominated Jeremy Corbyn but has done | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
a good job of distancing himself from him. And he was one of the | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
first to criticise him. He did it immediately. He is nervous but it is | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
probably too late to affect the campaign. OK. | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
After their disastrous results in last year's General Election | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
the Liberal Democrats are hoping for some better luck this week. | :19:41. | :19:42. | |
Their leader, Tim Farron, says the local elections are utterly | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
critical for the party's "survival, revival and rebirth", | :19:46. | :19:46. | |
as they go in defending just over 300 seats in England. | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
But has Mr Farron's leadership over the past year made any difference | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
The last general election left the party in a sorry state, | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
going from 57 MPs down to a measly eight. | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
The result caused former leader Nick Clegg to resign the very | :20:03. | :20:04. | |
next day, triggering a party leadership election. | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
Two candidates went head-to-head - the then Party President Tim Farron | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
and former Care Minister Norman Lamb. | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
I am up for this, you are up for this, I am optimistic | :20:19. | :20:27. | |
but it will take hard work and bloody mindedness. | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
Over the last year, it's been an uphill struggle for Mr Farron, | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
having to prove to the political classes that, even with eight MPs, | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
his party is still a force to be reckoned with. | :20:38. | :20:39. | |
Although the Lib Dems successfully used their hundred-odd peers | :20:40. | :20:41. | |
to defeat the Government in the Lords over tax credits, trade | :20:42. | :20:52. | |
union reform and child refugees, | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
Lord Rennard's resignation from the party executive | :20:56. | :20:57. | |
and the legal action over the election of MP | :20:58. | :20:59. | |
Alistair Carmichael only made the journey more challenging. | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
And next week, Mr Farron will once again be put | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
Both the big parties are polling badly, it couldn't be a better time | :21:08. | :21:25. | |
for a Lib Dem could -- come back, could there? You have summed it up | :21:26. | :21:35. | |
very nicely. The general election result last May was obviously | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
devastating, and I am going to argue it was devastating for the country | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
as it was for the Liberal Democrats. You think of these issues going on | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
at the moment, the attack on junior doctors, the Balkanisation, even | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
potential privatisation of our school system across the UK, the | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
heartless approach to orphaned refugees in Europe, and yet we are | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
talking about divisions within the Labour Party. They are indeed the | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
most ineffective official opposition probably in British political | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
history. What would come back look like? It would look like a 50% | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
increase in our membership and gaining more council by-election | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
seats and more votes in those by-elections than any other party, | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
which incidentally is exactly what is happening. There is a real sense | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
we are finding people on the doorsteps being very ready to listen | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
to our message. We have got to fight for attention and to get onto the | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
stage at all. The results last May but us in that position but I am an | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
optimistic kind of person. We have an enormous challenge on our plate, | :22:44. | :22:55. | |
we have a Tory government which is very arrogant, taking for granted | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
the fact they are in office, being all the more arrogance because their | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
official opposition is shambolic, and the desperate need for the good | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
of Britain to be a Liberal Democrat revival. Given that you are doing so | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
well in local government by-elections, you must hope to do | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
much better on Thursday than the 331 English councillors you currently | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
have? I think I would be in dangerous territory if I start | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
giving you figures but I am increasingly confident we will do | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
much better than we did last May. The sense I am getting on the | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
doorstep around the country is positive, people listening. Lots of | :23:34. | :23:36. | |
people who are progressive, centre-left voters who feel utterly | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
disappointed with the Labour Party as a movement at the moment. And | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
many people switched off by the Conservatives, one example of that | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
was a councillor in Yeovil who is a case worker for the Conservative MP | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
there who defected to the Liberal Democrats, actually having to give | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
up her job in the process because she realised that what the Tories | :23:58. | :24:05. | |
were offering last May is not what they are delivering. We have started | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
down the road of serious unfairness, taking money away from people with | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
disability, people dependent on the NHS and care services, and behaving | :24:15. | :24:21. | |
in an inhuman way towards the child refugees. Will you add to your tally | :24:22. | :24:32. | |
of council seats? I hope so. I hope so and I couldn't tell you either | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
way. You have been telling me how good you are doing in the local | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
government by-elections, why wouldn't you do just as well on | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
Thursday? I am telling you things that have happened, I'm not capable | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
of telling you things that will happen. Let me come onto your key | :24:49. | :24:56. | |
message. Your key message for the local elections is you are pledging | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
to fight unnecessary cuts to university services, how credible is | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
that when you spent five years in power with the Tories presiding over | :25:06. | :25:07. | |
these cuts? We spent five years writing the | :25:08. | :25:16. | |
economy and protecting front-line services from those cuts. What | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
happened is over five years we help to get the country in a position | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
where the books were all but balanced. We got to a crossroads | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
where we make a decision as a country, do we carry on cutting or | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
is this the time we say, we have stabilise the financial situation, | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
now it is the time to go easy and to put money into front-line services? | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
You will see at this point in time we have a Conservative government | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
that has chosen to give away tax cuts to the wealthy at a time it is | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
passing on cuts through local government to social services, to | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
schools, highways and so on. We say politics is about choosing. At this | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
point, having got the economy from the brink, this is the point of | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
government, and if the Liberal Democrats are in government, we | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
would be choosing not to give tax cuts to the wealthy but supporting | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
public services such as those run by local authorities. When you were in | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
power, in government, you close to 350 libraries, closed 350 youth | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
centres and around 600 sure start centres. Now you are posed as the | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
anti-cuts party, no one will believe you? When we were in government we | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
prevented the Conservatives making far greater cuts. One of the great | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
sadness is for me, or an irony is it has taken the last 12 months of | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
seeing what the Conservatives do without us to see what a difference | :26:43. | :26:50. | |
we made. They managed to do that with you in power. And now you are | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
trying to tell the voters who are against all these cuts, cuts you | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
presided over in government. I am not Jeremy Corbyn, I won't come onto | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
this programme and say you never need to make tough decisions in | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
government. We were very clear over those five years we were acting in | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
the national interest to balance those books. | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
Whether you blame Labour or the banks, the mess was there. We | :27:17. | :27:24. | |
responded responsibly. But one of the issues we should be talking more | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
about this week but sadly Labour's internal divisions has taken it off | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
the front pages is the junior doctors scandal. Remember, just over | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
a year ago it was my colleague Norman Lamb who prevented that | :27:38. | :27:40. | |
contract being written in the first place. It was only the Conservatives | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
getting into power on their own without us which meant they pushed | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
forward on that cart to our national health service. If forcing of | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
schools to turn into academies, something we blocked. Further cuts | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
to the police, we blocked, the Conservatives are now putting in | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
place. We were the party that believed we should live within our | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
means, in our ability to fund public services on the basis of how wealthy | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
the country is. Over five tough years the Liberal Democrats helped | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
balance the books and get us out of the financial crisis. We say you | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
don't then make more cuts you don't need to. You didn't lose the books, | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
Mr Farron. You left behind a deficit of about ?80 billion. Let me just | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
finally ask you this, you have five members in Holyrood, five in the | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
cabinet is amply, two in the London assembly. Of the seats up for grabs, | :28:37. | :28:45. | |
three and 31 councillors. If you don't improve in at least a couple | :28:46. | :28:47. | |
of these areas, does your leadership come under pressure, doesn't have | :28:48. | :28:55. | |
consequences for you? -- 331 councillors. You set out the case | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
clearly at the beginning of this interview, in the last couple of | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
months we have been coming back from a devastating result for us. I don't | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
expect it to be an overnight success, but my sense is as I have | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
been knocking on doors is you find a warming towards a Liberal Democrat | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
message. A sense if you vote Liberal Democrat, makes a difference. That | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
you have people working on the ground in your local community to | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
get things done. So you will do better? I just want to know if you | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
will do better or not? I am no more others since sales and new, but I'm | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
optimistic about how we will do this week. It feels more positive than a | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
year ago. With a shocking Tory government, arrogant as it is, and a | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
Labour opposition so shambolic, this is a moment where the Liberal | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
Democrats need to recover and I m hopeful this week we will. Tim | :29:47. | :29:48. | |
Farron, thank you for your time Well that's the Liberal Democrats, | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
what about the Conservatives? Their local election campaign has | :29:52. | :29:53. | |
been relatively low key these last few weeks, | :29:54. | :29:55. | |
with the small matter of an EU referendum campaign taking | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
up most of their time. You could say with Labour | :29:59. | :30:00. | |
in the spotlight the pressure is off the Conservatives | :30:01. | :30:03. | |
in the English local elections. These set of seats were last | :30:04. | :30:05. | |
up for grabs in 2012, when George Osborne's so-called | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
'omnishambles budget' had hit the headlines and the Tories slumped | :30:09. | :30:10. | |
to winning only 884 seats, However, Ukip are targeting | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
Conservative seats and significant losses to Mr Farage's party could be | :30:15. | :30:22. | |
a sign the referendum campaign isn't What's more, there's been | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
a lot of friendly fire in the last few months, | :30:26. | :30:32. | |
with councillors across the country criticising government policy | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
on a range of issues, including turning all schools | :30:36. | :30:36. | |
into academies, more directly elected mayors and reductions | :30:37. | :30:38. | |
in the grants from It is not just the EU | :30:39. | :30:40. | |
that the Conservative Party And the Conservative's Local | :30:41. | :30:48. | |
Government Minister Brandon Lewis joins me now from Chelmsford in | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
Essex. Let me go straight to this business | :30:54. | :31:05. | |
of forced academies in England. The Tory Cabinet member for Oxfordshire | :31:06. | :31:12. | |
County Council says she will have to suck it up, but she thinks you have | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
gone bonkers. Why have you gone bonkers? We haven't. I have to say, | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
from my own experience, if I look at what I have seen in East Anglia and | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
Great Yarmouth, the academies have reformed education. It is a good | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
step forward, about making those schools autonomous, giving them | :31:35. | :31:36. | |
independence. I understand councillors who have been involved | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
in education want to continue to be involved in education. We have to do | :31:40. | :31:44. | |
what is right for the pupils to get that improvement in educational | :31:45. | :31:47. | |
standards. She is not against academies but against you forcing | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
every schools to be academies. Plenty others share her concerns. | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
Why don't you listen to your own people? We are listening to people. | :31:56. | :32:03. | |
What we are saying is... You have to have a two way conversation. | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
Academies have the ability to improve education. I have seen this | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
first hand myself, with vast improvement in the offer of | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
education for pupils. We have to put the pupils first. This is about | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
making sure young people today are getting the best education, the best | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
life chances to move forward and benefit from economics, growth and | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
jobs for security. This is about making sure we do what is right for | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
the pupils and to make sure they are getting the best education. We | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
believe by putting schools in direct control of their destiny is the best | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
way to give pupils the best opportunity. Whom are academies | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
responsible accountable? I didn t hear that. Whom are academies | :32:46. | :32:54. | |
accountable to? They have shown across the country having that | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
independence, the knowledge of the teachers, the headteachers who run | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
those schools and know what is best in that area... Who are they | :33:03. | :33:09. | |
accountable to? It is important they have the opportunity... I asked to | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
whom are they accountable? Ofsted will judge schools and Ofsted goes | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
in and looks at schools and gives a review of what the school's position | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
is and if it needs to improve, Ofsted is very clear. It is | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
transparent, there is no secret and is well covered in the press local | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
and national when schools have a challenge. No local accountability? | :33:31. | :33:40. | |
I have never seen the school that has had a bad Ofsted report be able | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
to keep it secret. It is a public thing and therefore there is a clear | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
responsibility for the people in that school to move things forward, | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
improve things. And looking at what is right for the pupils. You don't | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
want now to have parent governors, so even if you get a bad Ofsted | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
report, how do the parents hold that school accountable if under the | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
white paper you propose they shouldn't be parent governors? | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
Actually there can be parent governors. What it says is there | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
doesn't have to be. There can be parent governors. I have seen | :34:14. | :34:16. | |
academies in my own constituency and elsewhere where parent governors are | :34:17. | :34:20. | |
important. Key to this is making sure the school itself, with the | :34:21. | :34:26. | |
headteachers and the teachers themselves, who know what is best to | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
move education board, have the opportunity to do that. This is | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
about looking what is right and best for pupils, to get the best possible | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
education, the best start in life. Let's look at local government | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
spending now. You have slashed grants to local government over the | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
years. Paul Carter, Conservative leader of Kent Council, he says the | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
tank is now an empty and we really are, to use another analogy, | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
scraping the barrel. Councils, even Tory councillors are saying under | :34:58. | :35:00. | |
your government they are now scraping the barrel. Local | :35:01. | :35:08. | |
government accounts for about 2 % of all public expenditure. We have | :35:09. | :35:11. | |
never been shy about being clear it has to play its part in dealing with | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
debt and deficit. Over this parliament we will see local | :35:16. | :35:17. | |
government in a very strong position. What local government can | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
do and what it is doing when you look Oxfordshire, the Midlands, the | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
North, East Anglia sharks, is making sure they are efficient. -- East | :35:27. | :35:36. | |
Anglia. It is under pound cheaper than Liberal Democrat equivalents, | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
showing really good efficiencies to deliver good quality front line | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
services. At the same time. Paul is an excellent leader, but Lemi - let | :35:46. | :35:52. | |
me be clear, local government surpluses has gone up from 13 to ?22 | :35:53. | :35:59. | |
billion. That is a testament to the efficiencies local governments have | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
shown. It shows there is capacity to go further and also bearing in mind | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
the grant from central government is a small part of the finance for | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
local government. It comes from as a tax, rates and new home tax. Why | :36:13. | :36:19. | |
does he he now Xavi cuts would have a real impact, are having a real | :36:20. | :36:26. | |
impact on people and communities? It is a Conservative saying this? We | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
have to live within our means and make those difficult decisions. They | :36:32. | :36:38. | |
deliver the best decisions to do that. We have seen those | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
efficiencies. Councils are ?80 a year cheaper than the Labour | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
equivalent. Or local authorities, particularly the district councils, | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
though smaller local councils, as Great Yarmouth is doing, should see | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
how they can share chief executives to make sure the efficiencies can | :36:56. | :37:01. | |
deliver good front line services, dozens of councils across the | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
country from Oxfordshire through to Staffordshire, East Anglia and the | :37:07. | :37:09. | |
Midlands are doing this. We can see more of that. There is more | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
opportunity for that. It doesn't just a liver efficiencies by better | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
front line services. When you have been making these funding cuts, why | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
have they disproportionately fallen on Labour areas, which tend to be | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
poorer, and not Tory areas which tend to be richer? Why have you hit | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
the poorer parts of this country with your cuts? With the best of | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
respect, I think the framing of that is slightly misleading. Let's get to | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
the core of what's going on. One of the worst hit councils in the | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
country has been my own in Great Yarmouth. The reason for that goes | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
back historically, before they left power Labour cut the fund that hit | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
councils with the poorest background. And those are the same | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
authorities that have the highest spending power. They had more to | :37:56. | :38:02. | |
spend per household than the equivalent Conservative verities. | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
More needs. Labour led councils like Liverpool, even if they just | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
collected the council tax, it would be ?500 per house better off | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
roughly. We need to make sure these efficiencies are there. The average | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
cup per household in the Tory area is calculated to be ?68 per person | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
per household by the end of this parliament. The Labour councils per | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
household is ?340. You are picking on the poorer parts this country. We | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
also have to bear in mind the spending power in the first places | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
much higher. Because they had more than they needed to spend on. That | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
is why their spending power can be up to ?1500 more in some places than | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
the equivalent smaller district area. They still do have higher | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
spending power per household. And that is why extra money, an extra | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
?300 million was put in for those transitional works, because as we | :39:01. | :39:03. | |
get to the end of this parliament, the change we made to put more money | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
in with a focus on social care, those authorities start to get more | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
money coming through again. Thank you for joining us, Brandon Lewis. | :39:12. | :39:14. | |
It's just gone 11.40am, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :39:15. | :39:16. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland who leave us now | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead. | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
First though, the Sunday Politics where you are. | :39:23. | :39:32. | |
Issues of faith, race and identity are dominating the mayoral campaign, | :39:33. | :39:39. | |
Labour's candidate, Sadiq Khan, today admits that the row which blew | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
up over Ken Livingstone's comments this week could cost him support - | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
especially among Jewish voters in the capital. | :39:48. | :39:53. | |
But the Conservative candidate, Zac Goldsmith, is having difficulty | :39:54. | :39:55. | |
shaking off the claim this has been one of the nastiest | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
We'll talk to him in a moment, after Andrew Cryan reports. | :39:59. | :40:10. | |
A huge turnout for Boris Johnson in Bexley helped the Conservatives | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
win City Hall in both of the last two mayoral elections, | :40:14. | :40:15. | |
so with just days to go, where better for the candidate this | :40:16. | :40:23. | |
year, Zac Goldsmith, to try and get out the vote? | :40:24. | :40:26. | |
Before this election campaign, Zac Goldsmith was | :40:27. | :40:28. | |
probably best known as an environmental campaigner. | :40:29. | :40:29. | |
He used to edit a magazine called The Ecologist and made his name | :40:30. | :40:40. | |
as an MP opposing the expansion of Heathrow Airport. | :40:41. | :40:42. | |
But those aren't the issues that this election is really | :40:43. | :40:44. | |
I'm standing to build more homes, to help Londoners earning average | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
incomes get the keys to their first home. | :40:49. | :40:50. | |
I'm going to protect the transport budget to keep London moving | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
And I'm going to make sure London is safe. | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
I will give the police the tools, the backing, and the resources | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
On housing, he says he wants to build 50,000 new homes a year | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
and make sure Londoners get what he calls first | :41:05. | :41:06. | |
He's promised to freeze council tax but won't make a similar | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
promise on transport fares, saying it's vital | :41:10. | :41:11. | |
that the capital gets the new infrastructure | :41:12. | :41:13. | |
But at West Ham football club this week, for an event | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
for Show Racism The Red Card, his Labour rival, Sadiq Khan, | :41:17. | :41:19. | |
told us he thought Zac Goldsmith's plan for Londoners was one | :41:20. | :41:22. | |
We have had for the last eight years a Conservative mayor, | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
for the last six years a Conservative Prime Minister, | :41:29. | :41:30. | |
Londoners are being priced out of our city because of | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
We pay the most expensive public transport fares in all of Europe. | :41:35. | :41:40. | |
It is quite clear Zac would accept TfL's plans to increase | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
Now, Zac Goldsmith has always said he wants to fight a positive | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
campaign that focuses on issues and not personalities, | :41:48. | :41:49. | |
but according to lots of people actually what he's done is used | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
the Conservative Party machine to attack his rival, Sadiq Khan | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
In particular they say that he has spoken at the same events as Islamic | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
extremists, and in his own words, the Labour candidate has said that | :42:00. | :42:05. | |
when he worked as a human rights lawyer he represented | :42:06. | :42:07. | |
We need a better explanation from the Labour candidate | :42:08. | :42:14. | |
of what he's been doing in seeming to support these characters. | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
But that line of attack has drawn criticism, | :42:21. | :42:22. | |
The veteran political journalist Peter Oborne is a lifelong Tory | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
but says the nature of Zac's campaign will mean he's voting | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
Sadiq Khan is as mainstream as you come. | :42:31. | :42:38. | |
He fights anti-Semitism, he voted for same-sex marriage. | :42:39. | :42:40. | |
You know, he's against extremism, and he's been portrayed as some | :42:41. | :42:43. | |
untrustworthy radical in the literature of Zac Goldsmith. | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
If you can't vote for Sadiq Khan as a Muslim elected leader, | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
what Muslim is there you ever can vote for? | :42:56. | :43:01. | |
This is why it's a very important election. | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
It's very important that Londoners vote out Zac Goldsmith | :43:07. | :43:08. | |
There's also been criticism of Zac Goldsmith's leaflets, | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
some of which have seemingly targeted specific religious | :43:13. | :43:14. | |
Other leaflets called Sadiq Khan a radical, which was seen by some | :43:15. | :43:20. | |
It's very obvious what I was referring to when I described him | :43:21. | :43:26. | |
as a radical candidate, as part of a radical process that | :43:27. | :43:29. | |
has enveloped the Labour Party and taken our politics | :43:30. | :43:31. | |
We have now an opposition party which is much more extreme | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
But is Sadiq Khan really standing on a radical platform? | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
When compared to Zac Goldsmith's own one-page summary | :43:43. | :43:44. | |
of his policies, it appears to be almost the same offer. | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
Looking at the one-page policy platform, it's amazing how similar | :43:50. | :43:51. | |
The only real difference is that Zac Goldsmith is promising no | :43:52. | :43:58. | |
council tax increase, whereas Sadiq Khan is promising no | :43:59. | :44:00. | |
Other than that, it's almost the same platform. | :44:01. | :44:10. | |
But perhaps the biggest question that will be answered this week | :44:11. | :44:13. | |
is whether Zac Goldsmith's approach will be enough to persuade enough | :44:14. | :44:15. | |
of his supporters to vote and make him the next | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
Welcome. Let's talk about the whole campaign first. A few years ago you | :44:19. | :44:33. | |
said in a newspaper interview that the idea of you standing for mayor | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
would be a suicide mission. Is that how it is proving? It is a | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
completely new experience to me it couldn't be more different fighting | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
a constituency election where you talk to everyone. It is a big city, | :44:48. | :44:54. | |
a .5 million people, ?600 billion economy, it is huge so it is a very | :44:55. | :45:04. | |
different kind of campaign but it has been a magnificent experience | :45:05. | :45:06. | |
and I feel very positive about campaigning. We have three days to | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
go but I feel the more people I talk to, the great -- the greater the | :45:10. | :45:17. | |
momentum is. I was quite struck by this, I think people have had quite | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
enough of white mares, has but also been proved in this campaign? You | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
don't look like the capital? What does the capital look like? It is | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
one of the most diverse cities in the world and that it's a strength. | :45:33. | :45:38. | |
Strip away that diversity, London would be a very pale imitation of | :45:39. | :45:44. | |
what it is. There is no one person that can capture London by that | :45:45. | :45:48. | |
definition. They were heartfelt comments, I forget when, three years | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
ago, standing for mayor was not even close to being on my radar. Alice | :45:55. | :46:04. | |
Thompson Conservative columnist says Zac Goldsmith fails to convince us | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
that he wants to be in City Hall, he doesn't look like he cares whether | :46:09. | :46:15. | |
he wins. You are not convincing anyone you could bleed. I could be | :46:16. | :46:21. | |
accused of many things, but I have always stuck by my principles as an | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
MP and that's why I'm often described as an independent minded | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
campaigning MP. I was returned in the last election with the biggest | :46:30. | :46:37. | |
increase, you can't get a better reference than that from your | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
constituents. How was it that after we have had a Conservative mayor for | :46:43. | :46:46. | |
two turns and a Conservative government controlling, doing what | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
they can with London, it doesn't look as if you are breaking through | :46:51. | :46:56. | |
or there is a record the voters are reacting to. I don't agree with | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
that. The only thing you have to go buy are couple of opinion polls I | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
am on the ground talking to voters every day, I do public meetings | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
which are standing room only in every part of London and the | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
reaction is positive. It is true people are not engaged with this | :47:17. | :47:22. | |
campaign until recently. Does there lie the reason, we will come onto | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
that in a moment. Boris Johnson has been on the campaign trail with you | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
a lot. It is a nightmare scenario that you had to follow him as a | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
personality but he doesn't have a particularly good record you can | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
defend? He is unique in British politics, you see, you have a few | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
clips there. I have been on the Trail with him many times, he is | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
swamped, no one else in British politics has that reaction. Anyone | :47:52. | :47:57. | |
who tries to stand as Boris Mark two is heading for a crash. Unless you | :47:58. | :48:05. | |
are going to tell me 5000 affordable homes is good enough... Is it good | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
enough last year? If you look at his record as a whole it is a good | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
record. He was left it at a time when recession clouds were hovering | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
over London, he viewed the world with confidence in London which | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
London badly needed at the time If you were inheriting this, the last | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
year of a royalty, how can you account for just affordable homes? | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
I'm not going to pretend enough homes have been built but equally he | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
build more homes than Ken Livingstone did. Not social homes, | :48:39. | :48:46. | |
council homes. The gap between supply and demand is so wide and now | :48:47. | :48:52. | |
that you can the burning of really significant salary... I didn't want | :48:53. | :48:57. | |
to interrupt but why would anyone believe the Conservative candidate | :48:58. | :49:00. | |
would be the person coming up with the answers? People will look at my | :49:01. | :49:08. | |
manifesto, I hope, I am incredibly proud of it. It is a comprehensive | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
plan for tackling the big challenges London faces. It is a detailed | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
costed, bullet-proof manifesto. People will look at my record, I | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
don't make promises I cannot keep which is why I have done well as a | :49:23. | :49:28. | |
constituency MP. I wonder whether you will accept... I need to make | :49:29. | :49:35. | |
this point. We are four days away from an election, people will not | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
judge anyone on the back of promises, they are cheap in | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
politics, but they will look at our records and I encourage anyone to | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
compare my record with any of my rivals'. How is it that you want to | :49:52. | :49:58. | |
be judged on your record, that you completely failed to persuade the | :49:59. | :50:04. | |
Chancellor of the Government to deprive London transport of ?2. | :50:05. | :50:10. | |
billion to take it away from its budget at this time for investment | :50:11. | :50:13. | |
for improvements for the Tube network, how did you do that? I | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
successfully challenged the Chancellor's attempt to remove 2 | :50:19. | :50:30. | |
million from the Met's budget. I am not talking about the police, how | :50:31. | :50:37. | |
did you not stop them from removing ?2.8 billion over the next four | :50:38. | :50:48. | |
years... I have won some really significant battles for London, not | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
least protecting the police budget. But you know how fundamentally. . | :50:54. | :50:59. | |
Sadiq Khan was nowhere to be seen. I have pledged to protect the | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
transport budget, it makes that pledge even more important. We | :51:04. | :51:09. | |
cannot afford to billion pound fares offer for London, if we did it would | :51:10. | :51:15. | |
decimate the transport budget. Of course you know if you are going to | :51:16. | :51:19. | |
be maintaining that investment, you know fares have to go up to pay for | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
it according to the business plan for TfL so you must here and now | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
clarified that fares must go up under you. In any promise, any | :51:30. | :51:36. | |
action plan for London you have a set of priorities and my number one | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
priority is to protect the transport budget. If I don't, London will | :51:41. | :51:49. | |
grind to a standstill. We know you might want to protect the budget, | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
for the reasons I have given you about the money that has been | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
withdrawn... After protecting the budget, which is the overwhelming | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
priority, that is the commitment I have made. After that I will bear | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
down on cost at every opportunity and hunt for the inefficiencies in | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
TfL, of which there are many but I cannot give you affairs promise So | :52:13. | :52:18. | |
you know it is possible under Zac Goldsmith. You will be a very honest | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
politician that it is possible these fares will go up? Anything is | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
possible which is why I cannot make a pledge on fares, my pledge is that | :52:27. | :52:31. | |
I will grow the transport network because if I don't we won't solve | :52:32. | :52:39. | |
the housing crisis. Talking of Boris Johnson as we were, and on the big | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
issue of this weekend, Boris Johnson says there is an ideological | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
continuum between the views of Ken Livingstone, the position of Jeremy | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
Corbyn and the views of Sadiq Khan which some have taken to indicate | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
Sadiq Khan is anti-Semitic in some form. You were asked about this on | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
the Today programme and it was suggested Sadiq Khan has never been | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
anti-Semitic and you didn't answer clearly. Can you be clear... I don't | :53:07. | :53:13. | |
believe Sadiq Khan is anti-Semitic. I was ambiguous because I cannot | :53:14. | :53:17. | |
tell you what he has been saying 20 years ago but I can tell you... You | :53:18. | :53:26. | |
cannot add that. My answer is I don't believe he is anti-Semitic. Do | :53:27. | :53:32. | |
you believe Boris Johnson's comments were unfortunate, you disassociate | :53:33. | :53:38. | |
yourself? I don't think that is what he said. He didn't describe Sadiq | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
Khan is anti-Semitic. He described Sadiq Khan, Ken Livingstone, Jeremy | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
Corbyn and John McDonnell as being part of the same package, the same | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
Labour Party. This was in relation to him describing a virulent | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
anti-Semitism. It is the same programme, here's an architect of | :53:59. | :54:01. | |
what has happened to the Labour Party, and from the top to the | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
bottom it has a massive problem with anti-Semitism. Baroness Warsi says | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
that the can't isn't an acceptable enough Muslims to stand for mayor, | :54:12. | :54:18. | |
if so which Muslim is, social certainly thinks she knows what he | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
was saying. I think Boris Johnson is right, there is a package of which | :54:25. | :54:27. | |
Sadiq Khan... Of course he will wriggle to separate himself from Ken | :54:28. | :54:33. | |
Livingstone today but two weeks ago they were on the same platform. You | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
have made it clear again you have no evidence or anything to suggest that | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
Sadiq Khan in any way shares his views. I am not going to accuse | :54:43. | :54:50. | |
Sadiq Khan of that. He had to act quickly but I wish he had acted | :54:51. | :54:54. | |
quickly last time Ken Livingstone made these comments. I think you | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
will find Ken Livingstone in the end, having initially been suspended | :55:00. | :55:03. | |
from office, was reinstated so he was on the right side of the | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
argument. If you are defending Ken Livingstone... Guess what, I don't | :55:10. | :55:15. | |
have to defend anyone either way. Have you found at any stage in your | :55:16. | :55:23. | |
research any evidence of Sadiq Khan saying, doing, being extremist in | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
any way? Right, he's not extreme and you set up last night? What's wrong | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
with a lawyer defending unsavoury characters? These are the words of | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
Sadiq Khan himself, what's wrong with that? | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
When Jeremy Corbyn was standing for leadership you was attacked by | :55:42. | :55:48. | |
people like Yvette Cooper for defending people with extreme views. | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
Her view was you should not do that, these people should have no | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
association with the Labour Party. That same question has been linked | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
to the Sadiq Khan. Why are you citing Yvette Cooper? You need to | :56:01. | :56:03. | |
tell the viewers, Yvette Cooper not long ago said something that was | :56:04. | :56:10. | |
completely racist... It would puzzles me that she would except | :56:11. | :56:12. | |
people like me and everyone else asking this question to apply a | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
lower set of standards for Sadiq Khan. Just quickly again. We need to | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
pick it a little bit. Is there anything wrong with a lawyer | :56:21. | :56:26. | |
defending unsavoury characters? Are good lawyers just the preserve of | :56:27. | :56:32. | |
the super-rich? The links described in relation to Sadiq Khan go very | :56:33. | :56:38. | |
far and very deep. Some of them relate to his work as a lawyer and | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
some to an MP. But for someone who chooses to show a platform with a | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
person who talks about throwing Jews in the sea and running them... I | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
don't think it would be appropriate. The viewers won't know what you re | :56:53. | :56:58. | |
referring to. The person that did or didn't say that isn't here to review | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
that. As a lawyer, to choose to represent someone involved in | :57:03. | :57:09. | |
9/11... I have said it is not appropriate, these individuals are | :57:10. | :57:12. | |
not here to defend or give any sense of context... People are saying | :57:13. | :57:18. | |
that is exactly what you're trying to do here. Are sending a message. | :57:19. | :57:25. | |
There are many, many examples of Sadiq Khan having shared platforms | :57:26. | :57:31. | |
with, given oxygen to and made apologies for people with extreme | :57:32. | :57:34. | |
views. That is a legitimate question to ask. The idea that someone | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
standing for Mayor of London with a big security remit to expect those | :57:40. | :57:42. | |
questions not to be asked and that person to close down questions with | :57:43. | :57:47. | |
the use of words like... Does the London less safe? I think he has | :57:48. | :57:54. | |
appalling judgment. Does he make it less safe? If you are sharing | :57:55. | :57:58. | |
platforms and giving oxygen to people who do that, is not safe | :57:59. | :58:05. | |
thing to do. Is he saved to run London's transport system? There are | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
many other reasons... Housing? All the important about the job, it | :58:10. | :58:15. | |
doesn't make unsuitable? There are many reasons I think why Sadiq Khan | :58:16. | :58:22. | |
is unreasonable for the job. I would love to talk about housing, I think | :58:23. | :58:25. | |
his transport policies don't add up. I would love to talk about that | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
When we consider the people with whom you have attempted to smear | :58:30. | :58:38. | |
Sadiq Khan by association with, he opposes their views, he has fallen | :58:39. | :58:44. | |
out with them. He has taken the view controversial in the Muslim faith, | :58:45. | :58:48. | |
agreeing to same-sex marriage. Is it legitimate? I am asking you a | :58:49. | :58:54. | |
question. You are suggesting is not legitimate to ask questions about | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
people with links to people... When he does that? I am not suggesting | :58:59. | :59:06. | |
Sadiq Khan has dodgy views, I think he is opportunistic, has appalling | :59:07. | :59:09. | |
judgment and shouldn't have done the things he has done. But it is a | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
matter of judgment, not opinion I think I am entitled, as is anyone | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
else who raises questions, to raise those questioned. You are. I think | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
it is wrong to suggest there is something racist about asking | :59:23. | :59:27. | |
questions of a person because they are a Muslim. Let's keep it on | :59:28. | :59:31. | |
judgment. The judgment that is good enough, OK for you and the | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
Conservative Parliamentary candidates to meet people, to meet | :59:36. | :59:41. | |
such people, told Muslim forums in south London. Why is it OK for you? | :59:42. | :59:46. | |
You have to explain your question. You have met individuals who you | :59:47. | :59:53. | |
cite is being Sadiq Khan's... You have been out on the trail with me. | :59:54. | :59:58. | |
I think you are talking about a selfie? He went on the trail with | :59:59. | :00:03. | |
me, you saw a clip, I do hundreds or thousands of selfies everyday. I | :00:04. | :00:08. | |
can't do a security check on each of them. What I would not do is share a | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
platform with someone on the wrong side of the ideological battle we | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
are engaging an. I would share a platform to challenge them but not | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
in and any other context. And I wouldn't do a selfie with someone if | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
I knew they were. The Conservative candidate, the were inviting him and | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
to bring his friends. I cannot answer that. It was a public meeting | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
I was invited to speak out. I enjoyed speaking at it, in | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
encouraging young Muslims to get involved in politics. Which Sadiq | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
Khan does a lot, and this was his constituency. And that is good | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
stuff. Fine. It is different and sharing a platform and apologising | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
for someone who says thing... This is his constituency. What is your | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
excuse, going into an area you have nothing to do with? It is not | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
apologising for views that are completely boring. If someone were | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
to say we want to drown Israel's Jews in the sea... You mentioned it | :01:10. | :01:19. | |
again. The concern is... He has never permitted any violence or | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
terrorism in any form. Let's talk about the wider forum... I was | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
quoting someone who is appalled as I am. A final thought, an FT editorial | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
this week, that if you are going to lose, would it not be better that | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
you didn't do it with dishonour and people are going to remember this | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
campaign question what I reject the premise of what you're saying. It is | :01:43. | :01:49. | |
not dishonourable to ask a question, as is my background, the things I | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
have said has been pored over by Sadiq Khan's team. That is fair | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
enough. If I have said something in the past, which I don't believe I | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
have, which I ought to explain now, go for it, that is what happens in | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
politics. There is no dishonour asking questions about other | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
candidates. But the overwhelming part of my campaign has been about | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
what I would do as Mayor of London. Thank you for being here today. | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
You can see a full list of all the candidates standing | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
in the Mayoral election on the screen now. | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
And further information is available on the BBC London website. | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
What will Labour's anti-Semitism row mean for the party's election | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
Is Jeremy Corbyn facing a possible challenge to his leadership? | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
And what are the Leave and Remain teams plotting for the | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
Elections to the Scottish Parliament, the Welsh Assembly, | :02:42. | :03:06. | |
English local areas, and London now. Labour is fighting in all of these | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
areas. How do we judge Mr Corbyn's party performance? I think you need | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
a symbolic victory in London. In many ways it will matter less than | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
doing well in English local council elections. Councils are your | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
campaigning base for a general election in four years' time. It is | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
a much more sexy office, the London mayor. It's the Khan wins I think it | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
gets him out of trouble, gets Joe Clee Corbyn out of some trouble | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
deservedly or not. The result I m beginning to think might end up | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
being historic is in Scotland. If the Conservatives finished second, I | :03:44. | :03:55. | |
think it establishes two things One, the idea that a left-wing | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
Labour Party can recover some of the ground lost to the SNP, a very | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
popular idea in the leadership contest last summer, will suffer. | :04:02. | :04:03. | |
And more significant is if the Tories finished second, it will | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
confirm Ruth Davidson as the most interesting, maybe the most talented | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
politician of the Next Generation and there will be a lot of pressure | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
from the London branch of the Tory to tempt her down. To take away the | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
only winner the Tories might have had in two generations question what | :04:19. | :04:26. | |
yes. She could be a potentially compelling UK wide figure. At the | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
end of the day, if Jeremy Corbyn holds on to London, which the polls | :04:34. | :04:41. | |
tell us he will, then he is OK. I think the Tories must be praying | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
that he will be OK. He is the gift that goes on giving. Is it in the | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
Tory interest the Tories not to hold on to London? I think it is in Tory | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
interests that Jeremy Corbyn survives as leader, no one else | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
could be as good further Tories except maybe the Shadow Chancellor. | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
The people who are not paying terribly close attention to the | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
detail of this row, even though they must be aware of the vague issues, | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
there is a conclusion beginning to surface that the Labour Party is | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
being done by crazy people. If they choose the Shadow Chancellor, who is | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
a much harder character, would be a much more muscular version of Jeremy | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
Corbyn and probably less incompetent looking, more impressive as a | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
personality, that means that the hold of the hard left of Labour will | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
be embedded for a political generation, another three or four | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
years. That would be a different problem for the Tories, because they | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
wouldn't just be able to make him look Ludogrets. How has it come | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
about? This is the first electoral test for the government. A year on | :05:51. | :05:59. | |
from the last election and usually we judge them by how is the | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
government faring? How is it beginning to lose about? And yet the | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
yardsticks all seem to be about Labour, not the Tories. They have | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
been about Labour for the last 2 hours, since they got into this | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
crisis over the row on anti-Semitism. Before that the only | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
thing we were talking about is the referendum. The reason we are not | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
focusing so much on the Conservatives on how they are doing | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
is David Cameron hasn't taken any interest in these elections on | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
Thursday. He is absolutely focused on the EU referendum. For him it is | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
a matter of life or death, whatever he says. He loses the referendum on | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
the 23rd of June and that is the end of his premiership and the of George | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
Osborne and the right life of the party will be in the descendants. | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
But Thursday, what is about Thursday is still London election is the | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
least significant election. When you want to know how is Labour going to | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
do in the general election you need to look at Scotland and the English | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
locals and Wales. But London will be symbolically the most significant | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
election, because if as we assume Sadiq Khan wins, as Janan was | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
saying, that will take the I've got a victory my back pocket box and | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
Jeremy Corbyn will for the moment soldier one. You mentioned how these | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
elections, as important as they are, have been overshadowed by the EU | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
referendum on the 23rd of June. The Leave and Remain campaign have been | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
putting out commercials, let's take a look. | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
At the end of the war, Britain created the NHS. | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
It protects us throughout our lives - but it's in danger. | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
Remaining in Europe will create an extra 790,000 UK jobs by the time | :07:43. | :08:05. | |
There we go. The first one to Leave and second Remain. The poll suggests | :08:06. | :08:17. | |
they are winning the argument on the economy. But private polling | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
suggests the NHS and immigration do well for Leave. What's going on | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
here? They've looked at private polling and concluded on the economy | :08:29. | :08:35. | |
Remain has a lead which is more or less insurmountable. On immigration | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
Leave have an insurmountable lead. Rather than engage in a futile | :08:42. | :08:49. | |
attempt to win back credibility on economy or immigration is better to | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
spend everyday folks think the debate on your home territory. That | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
is why I think if on the ballot in seven weeks' time the average voter | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
sees the question as, what is the best way controlling immigration? | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
Leave Will win. If the question is how do you preserve economic | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
stability then Remain will win. By this time next week when the | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
Thursday election results will have been analysed and so on, the EU | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
referendum campaign starts proper. All the way until June 23. Does the | :09:25. | :09:31. | |
Remain side not have a problem, it seems to have fired a lot of its | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
ammunition already? It does, with that 200 page Treasury report. We | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
have around two of the Treasury report. Ten years ago it was looking | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
at the long-term consequences of an exit from the European Union. There | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
is another report to go. That is the immediate consequences, which will | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
basically say there will be a mighty recession and the pound would go | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
through the floor. But remember we have two phases of the campaign We | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
have about two and a half or three weeks after the local elections Up | :10:00. | :10:07. | |
until that point government can put out any election document it wants, | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
it can get civil servants to write in favour of the European Union 28 | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
days, from the end of May until the 23rd of June it means ministers can | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
say what they like but they cannot use government machinery and | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
government publications. You will watch a great blast from the | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
government side in the three weeks after the local elections. | :10:28. | :10:36. | |
The remaining side have made claims about what the jobs will be, but | :10:37. | :11:18. | |
this doesn't surprise me at all I find the British the most resilient | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
people against being threatened amongst any in the world. During the | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
election campaign, every time Nicola Sturgeon said we are going to lock | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
David Cameron out of Downing Street, I heard a chorus from British people | :11:34. | :11:42. | |
saying oh yeah. Last night was the famous White House correspondents | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
dinner, it is a time for comedy comedy acts even from the | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
politicians. The president began by talking about his visit here. Let's | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
listen. Even some foreign leaders, | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
they've been looking ahead, Last week Prince George showed up | :11:57. | :11:58. | |
to our meeting in his bathrobe. Although, while in | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
England I did have lunch with Her Majesty The Queen, | :12:02. | :12:16. | |
took in a performance of Shakespeare, hit the Links | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
with David Cameron. Just in case anybody is still | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
debating whether I'm black or not... The president there showing he has | :12:26. | :12:44. | |
great comedic timing as well. He can be a stand-up man when he steps down | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
from the White House. You have been to the Westminster dinner, it is not | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
quite on the same scale. It is not. The most important thing this year | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
is George Osborne, the year before it was Ed Miliband, their speech is | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
on the record but not filmed. George Osborne delivered what was generally | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
perceived as a very good joke because he told jokes at his own | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
expense. This quite funny one about now I am on the 52-macro diet, I had | :13:12. | :13:25. | |
to eat my words after the Budget. You are now off to Newsnight so we | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
whipped together to get you a farewell present and there it is. | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
But you only get that if you win a competition! That is how kind we are | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
to you. Enjoy it because you won't get anything like that on Newsnight. | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
The Daily Politics will be back on Tuesday at midday on BBC Two | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
and I'll be back here on BBC One next Sunday at 11 | :13:48. | :13:49. | |
We will have all of these local election results. | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
Remember - if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:55. | :14:40. | |
and discover the fascinating secret lives of buildings. | :14:41. | :14:52. | |
The cruck blades are wobbly in a very symmetrical manner | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
because each is cut from the same tree trunk. | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
This was a very simple but strong form of construction | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
Home Season starts with At Home With The British with me, | :15:02. | :15:06. |