04/03/2012 Sunday Politics North East and Cumbria


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Will the coalition agreed to scrap red tape in the Budget to making

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And in the North East and Cumbria: Do it yourself - from village halls

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to libraries to swimming pools, the hard-up councils asking local

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1780 seconds

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people to take over their services. Coming up, no quick fix for the

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North East economy, warns Lord Heseltine. And are you up to you

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run your own library or a swimming pool? We report on people taking

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over from hard-up councils. And with me Newcastle MP Chi and Ian

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Swales. PC Rathband was found dead at this

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week at his home in live. He was shot and wounded and blinded by

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Raoul Moat in 2010. This is what the Prime Minister said on Thursday.

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David was an extraordinarily brave man and after his horrific injuries

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he did an enormous amount for charities and other injured police

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officers and for families who had lost members in the line of duty.

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We have to do everything we can as a country to make sure that those

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who are wounded or fall in the line of duty, that the families are

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properly looked after and they are properly commemorated. Chi Onwurah,

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it is hard for us to know the circumstances behind this but what

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does this say about the support we have for people like PC Rathband

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who at the simplest was himself a victim of crime? He was a tragic

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victim of crime and his death is the responsibility of Raoul Moat

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and Raoul Moat primarily but we have to see if we can do more to

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support those who do need such tragic circumstances in the line of

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duty, and also victims of crime generally, because he had a very

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dark journey to face. He faced it with tremendous courage. He did so

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much for others with charity. But in the end it seemed he could not

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face continuing with his suffering, and that we really need to make

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sure we can do everything we can for aeons Wales, there has been a

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suggestion of a memorial, perhaps in a Newcastle, it for PC Rathband.

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A memorial is an excellent idea. He was an extremely brave man. He has

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effectively fallen for the community of the North East. Just

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as we Brits in memorials for others who give their lives in the service

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of the area, I think we should in I hope that his charity, the Blue

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Lamp charity, continues and continues to do good work, which is

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so needed for people who find themselves in those circumstances.

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This is a tragedy for his family, friends and colleagues.

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Some businesses in the North East did quite well last year bidding

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for money for the Government's new Regional Growth Fund, yet ten

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months on three-quarters of the firms have not got hold of the cash

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yet. According to Labour, that is holding back the creation of vital

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new jobs. I spoke to Lord Heseltine, in charge of the fund, and asked

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him first on his view of the current state of the region's

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economy. The my own reading, we are beginning to see a rather more

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optimistic note for the rows, but the important thing is that when

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the growth comes it comes from the private sector. The Iraqi

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Government schemes -- and there are Government schemes which will

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create jobs in the private sector in the North East. We were able to

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make some very good awards. We have now got another �1 billion and I'm

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sure we will get good bits from the North East for that that there is

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not a short fix and it is a complete delusion, and I have seen

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politicians pretend an opposition politicians always say, we would be

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doing this or that, but they got us into this mess in the first Test.

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It would help the North East if those grants had actually been paid

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out. Around 75 % have not been paid out. This is a complex issue and I

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am concerned about it. First, the Government money follows in private

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money, so it the private money gets suspended for a lot of the public

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money goes in afterwards. So the real test is how many schemes have

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actually started? Some months ago I came up to Newcastle and saw

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schemes that were getting under way. But when you make these grants

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Committee you really sit there and think that ten minutes down the

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line three-quarters of the businesses you were giving grants

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to would not yet have got the money? They're very important point,

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and it was all of us. I spent a lot of time looking at it. The

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companies themselves are often either hesitant or have not really

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worked out the detail or just want to delay, or in some cases, have

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not get permission from their parent companies. So it is taking

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longer and I am the first to say it. I do not like that, but it does not

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basic -- alter the basic underlying point that the money will flow and

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it will improve jobs in the private sector.

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Paul Woolston is here from the North-Eastern Local Enterprise

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Partnership. Lord Heseltine suggests some of these delays are

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down to the businesses themselves. Is that fair? We would all like the

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money to be flowing quicker. However, when you ran a competition

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and you have to decide who is going through the next phase, you need to

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do diligence and for some businesses, they will be having to

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profile when they spend the money before they can take the grant, so

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I would like to see it coming through quicker but it is not a

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straightforward process. Is it holding back the generation of

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jobs? It will if it continues to have delays, but I think the

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important thing is back particularly for the North East, we

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did better than we thought we might, more than our fair share, and we

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wanted to get it coming through as soon as possible. We were not to

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involved in Stage 1 and 2 and we would like to be more involved in

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stage three. A lot of people will not know what the role of the Local

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Enterprise Partnership is. I would tell you about who we are and what

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we are trying to achieve. And we are a business-led bought and we

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are committed to the concept of partnership so that might be

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business-to-business, but business to public services, to local

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authorities, on our board we have the leaders of each of the local

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authorities and the elected local mayor for North Tyneside and they

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have been fully supported -- supportive of what the board

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members wanted to achieve. I have to hurry you a little bit, but I

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suppose one of the accusations against you, even by the DEC

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picture of this fund, is that Teesside has got ahead of the game

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and there has actually been quite a bit of squabbling within your Local

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Enterprise Partnership. I am not sure where he gets the notion of

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squabbling. I have not seen that. The board has been very United and

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focused, working exceptionally hard. I do not think it is very helpful

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to compare ourselves with Tees Valley. I would like in 12 months

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he to be comparing us to an equivalent in Germany or the United

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States. Teesside has been helpful to us but I do not think that is a

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useful comparison. Ian's Wales, returning to the

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regional growth fund, Lord Heseltine, he expressed concern

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about some of the delay. There is absolutely no delay in the

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Government spending the money when the companies are ready to receive

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it. The biggest problem, as Lord has There are two and Lord -- large

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chemical plants and one of them there are holes in the ground and

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it is now ready to go up and the other one hasn't even started. It

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is his stage the companies are at in making the investment so I have

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no doubt that all those schemes that were awarded many will get is

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as fast as they needed. Chi Onwurah, given that there is not as much

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money around as before, it is already creating jobs, isn't it?

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is creating very few jobs, because of the delay. I think it is really

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wrong to Glenlee companies. These are often small companies who are

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not in the business of doing due diligence themselves. To blame them,

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compared to Whitehall, who have a very small number of people working

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on getting the money out to them is so wrong. You have to be careful

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how it is spent and do the Czechs slow. You have to have the people

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to do that and the resources. One of the problems small businesses

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have in getting funds is that there is so much of his bureaucracy

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associated with it. Whitehall should be doing much more to speed

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that flow through. We have had some criticism of the North-Eastern

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Local Enterprise Partnership, what marks out of ten would you give it?

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I think Paul has been doing a fantastic job with very very little

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resources. When the LEP started it did not even have an office. I am

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not sure if it still does. When you compare that with the two Brits for

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billion pounds at the RDA North East had -- �2.4 billion., they are

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doing a good job but they do not have the resources and it will take

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much more input from businesses as well as the politicians in the area.

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Ian, there seems to be less criticism of the Tees Valley but

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these organisations have very little money compared to one of the

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East. The Tees Valley partnerships made a fantastic start. They were

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showcasing what they have already done and they were busy leading

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investors in London to do more and I'm delighted with the progress

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they have made. The can you put a figure on the number of jobs they

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have created? What evidence is there? The number of successful

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bids into the Regional Growth Fund is an obvious one. There are dozens

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of bits across the South region that have gone through into the

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Regional Growth Fund and they have been instrumental in making it

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happen. We also have Enterprise Zones across Teesside and three in

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my constituency alone, and they have been working really hard to

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make the case for that. Chi Onwurah, it is in a her -- in Labour's

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interest to be negative. I know that the North East has the highest

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level of unemployment across the country. I know that the long term

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these unemployment went up by 150 % and I know that we have lost

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800,000 private sector jobs as well as 24,000 public sector jobs in D

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last 18 months. This Government needs to take action, needs to do

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it in the Budget... Are there any signs of hope? The Government is

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taking action and we do not like to talk about good news. For 22 months

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running out manufacturing employment has increased every

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month in the North East. The manufacturing economy is getting

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going again. We have a net trade surplus already and there are lots

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of good sector stop thank you very much.

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More than 100 village falls across County Durham could be given to

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local people are this week. It is the latest attempt to hand services

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that used to be run by councils, like leisure centres and rivals,

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over to the people that use them. But the DIY approach could have its

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limits. Keeping children safe from the

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traffic. It is certainly an important job, but could the work

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done by a professional lollipop lady like Helen be done by

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volunteers instead? That was the money-saving idea considered by the

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council here in Darlington. One that was eventually dropped because

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of opposition from the public and parents. I think that the need for

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professional people like this is clear. I do not believe in

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volunteers. It is a job that needs to be done for the schoolchildren.

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You would be worried that they would not turn up if it is an

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unpaid job. The idea of volunteer crossing patrols might have got the

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funds down but increasingly, our councils are calling on us to take

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over local services and facilities. So have we got what it takes to

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take the DIY challenge? Welcome to the New Town Hall

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toolkit, complete with people power to have let down spending, and here

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in the North Yorkshire village of Great Ayton, locals took the do-it-

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yourself approach when the council threatened to close down the

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library. Volunteers will take over in May. We have over 70 volunteers.

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Plenty of people to run the library. What sort of jobs will they do?

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They will be working providing books service, helping people with

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computing, doing everything the library did, and hopefully more. We

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had to do more in the wake of our out-of-hours activities, all sorts

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of things. But this is not a simple case of residents going it alone.

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The Community Library will still get his books supplied by the

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county council, and some funding from the parish council.

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And money is the big issue at the next stop on my proper job tour are

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the North. The community centre here is one of scores of buildings

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the county council wants to transfer to local groups, as part

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of the cancer's response to funding cuts. Villagers here say the centre

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must open for activities like his parents toddler group but they

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worry about the added cost of repairs and maintenance. We are a

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small population. You have not got the same facilities for fundraising.

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The council have said they are setting up a team to help people

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through the transfer and should try to find funding for them and things

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like that. If that comes off, it will be great. If it does not, then

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we do not know where we are going. So the uncertainty is one of the

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big things. The message from this community and others, yes, we will

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give it a go to save services and facilities. But like all DIY jobs,

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fixing it will take more than enthusiasm alone. Otherwise it

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could all come unstuck. Just me, you would never want our

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reporter to put it low shelves! Doesn't this actually sound like a

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good solution? Places stay open, council save money. What is

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certainly good is involving local communities in the delivering of

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services. Newcastle City Council, for example, is looking at co-

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operative models to ensure that local people did take part in bat

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and doing that as much as possible, but also, remember, it should not

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be an excuse for getting rid of services and getting rid of people.

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They are professionals delivering these services, often, for the

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right reasons. But a community centre, it would be best for local

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people to run it? If they have the time, but many communities,

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certainly in Newcastle, in my constituency, do the people have

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the time to give enough time there to be a co-ordinated and well run

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rate -- managed community service? There should be involvement and

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that is what community delivery is about and co-operative do from but

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there needs to be the money and management there to make sure there

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is consistency and professionalism. Ian, we saw people in quite a well-

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to-do area running a library but can you imagine that happening in

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poorer areas of your constituency? I agree that there is an issue that

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certain communities might not have been build community leadership

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needed to win things and I do think councils need to redeem auction at

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very carefully but I also believe that we often do not give people a

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chance and French can is a good example. The neighbourhood centre

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there is largely run by the community. -- Grangetown. Is this

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thought-out process about him his best to run the services or is it

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an act of desperation by some councils? Bake one to hand them

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over to the community because they do not have the money to run them.

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Money is tight and you can see what councils are going down this road

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but as one or two of the examples showed, it is not always bad news.

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I have been on a committee that is owned by the council and the amount

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of activity that goes on is fantastic and it is all run by

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volunteers. There are no council staff involved at all. It can work.

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Isn't this test for communities, if they want to take it over it will

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survive and if there is no real interest, it will go to the wall.

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Communities in Newcastle and the cost -- coast of the North East

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have been supporting the services. What I find insulting is that this

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Government with the Big Society have invented volunteering.

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Tomorrow I will have three constituency surgeries across

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Newcastle, and I want to make sure that those libraries where they

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take place are professionally staffed, because it is so important

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to get people into libraries. have run out of time. Let's take a

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look at the rest of the week's Newsnight. We thought about giving

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him just half a minute to see how he would cope, austerity and all

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that, but that seemed to mean. So he is the week in 60 seconds.

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The consultation over the future of this aluminium smelter in line Rice

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has ended. No arrests come forward and it is expected to close with

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the loss of 500 jobs. The mayor of horrible has six -- sacked all six

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Labour councillors for failing to support his Budget.

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The Redcar MP has urged the Prime Minister to ensure wind farms do

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not get built. There are plans for 120 metres high wind turbines

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between two beautiful villages which are less than a mile apart.

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Does the Prime Minister agree that such giant turbines should not be

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built so close to residential areas? Northumberland council has

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backed a �100 million loan to North Cumbria Healthcare Trust. It will

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allow the trust to expand its complex.

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Land next to a nature reserve will not be built and after all.

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Newcastle cancer has revised its plans for reducing building in

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That is all for now. Next Sunday we will be live at the Liberal

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Democrats Conference. If in the meantime, keep an eye on my blog.

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There is more on their about the difficulties facing elected mayors

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