11/03/2012 Sunday Politics North East and Cumbria


11/03/2012

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In the North East and Cumbria: The two Teesside doctors who have

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run 40 miles to the Liberal Democrat conference in Gateshead.

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1807 seconds

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It is to lodge their protest over Hello and a warm welcome to your

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local part of the show. Coming up: these hospital consultants have run

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from Middlesbrough to Gateshead to show their opposition to the

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coalition's NHS plans. We will hear from them and get our response from

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Cumbrian MP Tim Farron, who is at the Spring Conference. My guests

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are Labour MP Julie Elliott and conservative campaigner Graham Robb.

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Lots of economic news this week. The good was Nissan's's decision to

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build a new model at its Wearside plant, bringing 400 new jobs. Nick

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Clegg was keen to be in Sunderland on Friday. He was also at one of

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Nissan's suppliers Unipres. It is hoped 1,600 jobs will be created in

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the supply chain. Vince Cable describes this as a clear vote of

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confidence in the UK's manufacturing sector. Julie Elliott,

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is this a sign of good things to come? Hopefully it is. Nissan are

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exceptional, growing in the strengths of this region. Hopefully,

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the rest of the world, with changes in currency and problems countries

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are having, manufacturing is becoming more of an option. We have

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the track record, the skills, an excellent history in manufacturing

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and we have some very cutting edge manufacturing companies in the

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North East. Reduces yes policies are working? -- would you suggest

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policies are working? Nissan are investing on the basis of that

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grant. And that is good, but we need more. Graham Robb, record

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exports for North East businesses, good news, but 50% were from the

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sun. Is there no danger of too many eggs in one basket? -- 50% were

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from Nissan. We need to look at growing the private business sector.

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If you look at headlines, there have been 44,700 new jobs announced

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by local firms and the North East, not just big firms, may be small

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businesses. As those jobs go from announcement to hiring, you are

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seeing a real enterprise culture re-emerging. You talked about the

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Regional Growth Fund. Millions has been allocated to the North East

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firms from that fund. It is about factories, manufacturing, targeting

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public investment. Not as much as there was for other complex,

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bureaucratic systems... It is not all roses. We have had some bad

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news. It is not all roses at there are public sector job losses. When

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you look at the number of jobs created in the future from just the

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firms given funding, you are talking about 16,000 direct jobs

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and 26,000 indirect jobs. We will have to leave that at the moment.

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The Liberal Democrats are in Gateshead this weekend for their

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conference. But not everyone gave them a friendly welcome. Hundreds

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of people joined a trade union rally in Newcastle yesterday,

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marching to protest at cuts to local services. One of the most

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difficult issues is the Health Bill. Many would like to see it ditched.

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We will get the view of Cumbrian MP Tim Farron. But first, I went to

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Teesside. These men are usually doctors fighting cancer, but with a

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secret identity as St pounding campaigners battling the NHS bill.

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This dynamic duo have run across . The Royal College of Nurses have

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come out against it, various groups. The Government just is not

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listening. You have to go to extreme measures. The doctors ran

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42 miles from Teesside to Gateshead as part of their protest. They are

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believing that these plans should be blocked for the good of patients

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at the party. It will be disastrous, the NHS will be privatised over

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time, it will be hugely unpopular and will finish off the Liberal

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Democrats long term. It is electoral suicide and they should

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listen to NHS professionals. Redcar could be one place where the

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backlash could be felt. Their candidate took the seat from Labour.

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Going into Government was always going to be a gamble for the

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Liberal Democrats. You could get some losses with everyone mac.

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There are some worrying signs for the party in Redcar and their

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honeymoon with voters is well and truly over. Mrs John Hannon, who

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used to be a Lib Dem, quitting after 2010. -- this is. He won a

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by-election for Labour. Now he is convinced the tide is turning

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against his former colleagues. think there will be an up row with

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NHS reforms. I do not think people from the Liberal Democrats expected

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to be in this position. The people who brought us in in 2012 assure

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that the Liberal Democrats have more or less joined the Tory party,

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becoming their Withdean boys. That is what the people think. The Lib

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Dems have not been swept away just yet, continuing to do community

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campaigning they are so famous for. The party insists supporting red

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card is holding up. But even amongst these activists, opinion is

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divided on NHS reforms. My concern is the element of profit. We do not

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want to go down an American style health care system. There were some

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concerns in the first instance. Last spring, at the party

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conference, we raised some concerns and amendments. I think it is

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developing into something potentially effective. And the Dems

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will tell you being in Government is about difficult choices. -- and

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Lib Dems will tell you. But there are protests within and without the

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party telling them they could be about to make a huge mistake. Mark

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Denten is at that conference. We have had the result of the vote

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on the NHS in the last hour. have. Nick Clegg has walked past me.

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Activists have given him a battering, voting to remove a

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section backing health reforms. One described it as a High Speed Train

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crash. I have been getting reaction of the party President Tim Farron.

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We know the Health Bill is something we would not have drawn

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up in power on our own. But Reid at less than 20 for a present of the

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vote. -- but we got less than 20% of the port. Andrew Lansley brought

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in a bill last January which many people were concerned about. It

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would bring in even more marketisation than Labour brought

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in. We have spent 14 months dismantling it. Y are you going to

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the wire, risking your reputation over something not in the

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agreement? People talk about that, many of the things governments do

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is reacting to events, such as Libya. I am not happy with the bill.

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One thing we have to deal with is that the NHS is getting costlier

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and costlier. That is for good reasons, we are living longer with

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better medicines. People in your constituency will not have read

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this. You are saying, just us, this will privatise the NHS. -- trust us.

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I have no doubt that is what it will do. You get irritated when in

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my position. I love Andy Burnham, but when he was Secretary of State

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for Health, he privatised GP services across the North East,

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privatised surgery for instance. This is about doing the best thing

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for the National Health Service. You think doctors are wrong that

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this will be a disaster and destroy the NHS? And do not think so. One

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person living here do not understand what this is. We have a

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public NHS which is paid for by the tax payer and will be free at the

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point of use. What we have insured is that, at this is far from

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perfect, we have ensured that marketisation will be put in its

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box. The competition there will benefit patients. When contracts

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come up bought out of hour GP services, the cheapest but will

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Midlands Today -- the cheapest it will win, thanks to Labour. With us,

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it will be the best. Howe is the political marriage going? It is a

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very peculiar thing. It is important you behave in a

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collegiate way. I am a northerner, spending four years at university

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here. I know that the relationship with the Conservative Party for

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most of us born in this neck of the woods is not good. But with

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arithmetic across the country, if you have to former Conservative --

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form a coalition, you have to work with them. Tim Farron talking to

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Mark Denten. Julie Elliott, do you believe this is a better bill?

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Not at all, it is an nonsense. It is a marginal bill, with them

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voting for everything in his bill, not voting against it in the

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chamber. It is absolute hypocrisy. Graham Robb, the problem for

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Liberal Democrats and Conservative is every single problem in the NHS

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over the next few years will be blamed on that bill. You have major

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sells a hostage to fortune. That is a good political point. There are

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two things at this art. It makes GPs the kingmakers indeed -- in the

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NHS. You could have done that within the NHS. It enshrines that,

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seeing GPs do not have to buy from established NHS organisations. I

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have a close relative who has late- stage cancer, sadly. When she has

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got to see doctors at nurses in the NHS, it has been brilliant. Other

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things have not been. Things like tests that take a long time. GPs

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could get them from other areas. When she has gone to the hospital,

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the Macmillan Cancer Cure system is there, ready to help, but only

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through voluntary arrangements. -- care system. This means that GPs

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can contract with organisations, which has to be a good thing. Some

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of the hyperbole about privatisation is inappropriate.

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Labour did bring the private sector into the NHS. Was that a mistake?

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It was broad hint marginally. This is a wholesale privatisation. -- it

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was brought been marginally. GPs have to come to grips with changes

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happening, going out to anybody. There will be little if any

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monitoring of organisations. Their ethics of the organisations might

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be completely adrift to the ethics and history of the NHS. This has

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not been sold well. I would agree with that. What she is saying is

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not true. Monitoring will be done. There will be proper

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responsibilities. GPs are not a wholesale against it. 90% are

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against. There are 44,000 GPs and not many voted -- not many signed

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against it. Only 2,600 out of 44,000. I have not met a GP in

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favour. There was one on the radio on Friday. What are you for in the

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NHS? We are for a publicly funded health service that is there at the

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point of need without question of profit. I am not saying the health

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service and systems we had were perfect. Everything needs to change

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for changing the. There was no need to bring in legislation like this.

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Thank you. Now, a new case is being made for

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regional government in the North, eight years after John Prescott's

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plans were comprehensively rejected by voters in a referendum. The

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Hannah Mitchell Foundation held its public launch in Bradford on Friday.

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It called for a radical voice for the North, including directly-

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elected regional government. Supporters say the prospect of

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Scottish independence makes the case for a Northern parliament

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stronger. But many MPs who backed the idea in 2004 are wary of

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reopening the debate. But what about the voters? Fergus Hewison

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spoke to people in Darlington, where nearly nine out of 10 voted

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against a regional assembly in 2004. Are not independence, but the

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evolution would make sense. There is an imbalance of finance

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and others. We tried it once and turned it down. I do not honestly

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think it will work any better this time. It is a good idea. We will

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always have a say. Things are different down there to up here. It

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would be a good idea. And non scientific survey, surely. Do you

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think this idea has come and 2012? Let Labour advocated, it is

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political suicide. This is politicians talking shop. What we

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need a more factories, not another talking shop. Is this a serious

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point? Vince Cable said, imagine a situation where you had Alex

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Salmond, our First Minister for the North, with 15 million people

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behind him going to Ten Downing Street. He would be hard to ignore.

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It should be hard to ignore 30 MPs from the North. Vince Cable put the

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Green investment Bank of Scotland, a bad idea. I would like people in

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this region arguing for that. record for that locally. -- I

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argued for that and vocally. I sponsored meetings, did interviews.

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It was actually one of the things we could not put in a regional bid.

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There were a number across the region. We are being sidetracked.

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You were one campaigner burnt by this. Has this change? I do not

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think there is -- this is the time to revisit this. I believe in it,

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but the vote was overwhelming. I believe that you are looking at a

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period of 20 years before a book issue can be revisited. Maybe have

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a serious work with Labour MPs from this region backing this? I have no

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problem with people opening up the discussion. But in the North East,

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I am more interested in trying to raise the profile of the region,

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raise the profile to bring jobs and investment. She is quite right. She

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knows from experience. The problems is that frustration can build up.

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In Scotland, we have something like that. There could be frustration if

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this carries on. That is how democracy works. We need more of

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MPs for this region. I would say more Conservatives. Just because

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the Labour Party lost the election we should not have a super regional

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expensive regional Government. People might feel it will be

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ignored. It is up to the North to shout loudly at make its case. The

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Regional Growth Fund we talked about, a large proportion of that

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comes to the North. Sadly, a lot of Transport spent close to the South.

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There are swings and roundabouts. Julie Elliott, do you think this

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will happen? Hopefully in future, but not at the moment. It is a

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missed opportunity. For now, we do not even have to Regional

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Development Agency. That brought more investment than the Regional

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Growth Fund. We need mechanisms to bring in investment. Thank you very

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much. We like to get full value for money

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from Mark. So he has just run all the way from the Sage to do his

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regular gig, bringing us the rest of the week's political news in 60

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seconds. And he is not even out of breath.

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The North East will not be home to the new Green investment Bank.

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Sunderland, Durham and Teesside for all bidding, but ministers decided

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to get water it in Edinburgh. Somebody up will have two councils,

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one for the North and south, according to one Carlisle MP, and

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writing to Eric Pickles board reviewed. Many services for

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disabled people will close. It will get other jobs. Some ministers do

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not believe that will happen. not convinced that the people in my

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constituency are other parts of the North East will gain employment

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easily. And aluminium sector will close at the end of the month with

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many losing their jobs. And the former Redcar MP has confirmed she

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wants to be the newly elected Northumbria Police Commissioner.

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She is hoping to be Labour's candidate, amongst others. That is

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about all from us. BBC Newcastle's bricks to sue or

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comes from the European Parliament in Strasbourg on Tuesday.

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Euro MP Martin Callanan will be taking listeners' calls after nine.

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Andrew Neil and Richard Moss with the latest political news, interviews and debate, including work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith and chief secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander.


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