18/03/2012 Sunday Politics North East and Cumbria


18/03/2012

Andrew Neil and Richard Moss with the latest political news and debate. With guests John Cridland of the CBI, Sir Simon Jenkins of the National Trust, and Stephen Hammond MP.


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In the North East: the Government's health reforms are being piloted

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here. Yet we cannot get GPs to tell us why they are working or why they

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1713 seconds

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Coming up in North East and Cumbria: government health service

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changes are being piloted here. Yet doctors seem to have taken a vow of

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silence. What do people who used it NHS make of the tall? And looking

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ahead to the Budget are in North Tyneside MP, and Conservative peer.

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Businesses and holidaymakers would like to see the chance will scrap a

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plan to raise taxes on flying. Passenger duty is due to increase

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next month, a further hike in as many years. In fact it has trebled

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on some flights since 2007. Campaigners say it is damaging

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attempts to revive the North East economy. The rise will see the tax

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on economy flights to Europe -- increase. A bigger increase for

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flight to the US. And the larger one to Australia. -- largest.

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Horrendous. But it is the taxes which are the bulk of an air fare.

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It is quite something. If the Government want to get money out of

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Oz they will do. Everything has to be paid for but we do all want

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cheaper flights if we can. Travelling the world the way I do I

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can assume you this is one of the best country still have an. Some

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may be the taxes to don't do harm. -- the best country to live and.

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The greatest burden is on airlines and who may not come into the North

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East. If they put their airlines and other locations rather than

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hear that will weaken our competitiveness. Some argue that a

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tax is a small price to pay to help planet. It is a carbon tax designed

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to discourage a high carbon emitting form of transport.

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Although the medicine is painful the illness of climate change does

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far more damage to our national and global economy than a carbon tax.

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Of course if you run an airport you do not like these taxes and I'm

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sure that it director of Corporate Affairs at Newcastle Airport is

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about to tell me that! But surely you accept it helps the environment.

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The aviation industry has to work hard to move forward with environ

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mental performance and it is in its best interests to do so. So I think

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there will be action on fuel- efficient aircraft going forward.

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But are you really arguing that people will be put off flying by

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what is on paper a few Pounds extra? We find it has had a bigger

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impact on the regions. People have less money and are more price

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sensitive. Therefore demand has been impacted. That is why we're

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asked the Government to look particularly at the impact

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regionally. In effect you want an advantageous deal? Heathrow may

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have one type of tax and here, another? Yes. The most congested

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airports should have a higher rate of tax and then the less congested

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airports, I e, the regional airports, law. We think that will

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help to rebalance the economy. Coming back to be environmentally

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argument, that is not good. There must be action from a global point

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of view. All governments, on the environ mental issues of all forms

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of transport. That should be global, not a UK level. Are you telling me

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that airlines are not coming to Newcastle because of this barrier?

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It is a barrier. It is not a case of their planes queuing at the door

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to come to Newcastle, we knock at their door and then try to argue

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that the economy is large enough to support those services. Michael

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Bates, I know you have just written to from Greece. How should we look

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at this tax? It is a very environmentally friendly way to get

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from Athens, to walk! It is easy to say, let's not raise passenger

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duty... But we all say... It is about helping the environment and

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cutting the deficit. The key thing is that Newcastle is a terrific

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airport expanding its services. But last year we froze air passenger

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duty for the year. Unlike other countries there is no VAT on

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domestic flights. So I think that airlines can be helped but also we

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must have to take some of the pain to pay for the deficit. A study

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this week, albeit by the travel industry I admit, so that you scrap

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these taxes you can create 90,000 jobs. That outweighs the money

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going into the Treasury and makes economic sense, doesn't it? This is

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the balance. That is why the Labour government introduced this tax and

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we have only inherited it. We must balance goes to demands. But that

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is not happening. Newcastle Airport has additional services. It is

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dying on its feet. It is doing remarkably well and getting

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international trade. I think it is all there. Listen, it is not easy

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and there is never any popular way to help the environment of cut the

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deficit but I think we have got the balance about right. Do you agree?

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Record export levels so it does seem that the one thing these air

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passenger duties is not affecting as export. -- es export. And other

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tax -- this is another tax that. People doing things on their lives.

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�1 per flight to Europe? There are variations depending on where

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people are travelling. You referred to the report that has come out

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from the travel industry. It seems ludicrous that we could have over

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�4 billion worth of money in the economy as opposed to �2 billion in

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tax. The two things just do not weigh up. And the job as you, that

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is at an important one. But I feel strongly that we should import a

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world -- support our local airport. It is really important. The Green

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Party make the point that it is far more damaging to our economy to not

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have a decent air taxes. The end result will be climate change and

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disaster. We mentioned before improving the green credentials of

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air flights and putting money into that. But what message does it send

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out if you cut their duty just as soon as the travel industry put

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pressure on you? You are saying that ordinary people should not be

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able to use their planes to fly away on their holidays. How would

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they reach Australia or New Zealand? Trying to use this excuse

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of saying it is about the environment when there are things

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that can be done, and especially when it has been proven that we

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could make more money for the region by reducing the tax - it

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just does not add up. Thanks for that very much. The state of the

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economy locally is the subject of a special programme tomorrow evening

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on BBC One in which a studio audience will talk about how the

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crisis has affected them. There will also be details of new

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research into the prospects for economic growth in the region. That

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is tomorrow evening at 11:05pm. Now, GP commissioning will see family

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doctors handed picks laces of the NHS budget. Cumbria is already

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piloting the scheme. -- Devon large slices. You would think that

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doctors would be falling over themselves to tell us how good it

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is. As we report, they seem to be strangely silent. Doctors and

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nurses are familiar territory for these toddlers. Plans for a radical

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overhaul the NHS will almost certainly affect their future lives.

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But do parents know any more than the toddles do? If something is

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broken, you fix it. But if it is not broken there is no need to

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change something completely. Really silly. Personally I am happy. I

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suppose they will do whatever they are going to do anyway. Family

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doctors hearing Cumbria have already been piloting the proposals.

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GPs control most of the local NHS budget and decide on where to spend

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the money to buy care for their patients. This GP was keen to talk

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last year about why the system works so well. He even went to

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London to meet David Cameron for the launch of the reforms. But now

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our requests for an interview are being turned down. The primary care

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trusts say that he will not be available until the outcome of the

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bell is more clear. Other GPs who have approached say that they will

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not speak either. But one senior professional has spoken out about

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his opposition. What is very disturbing is that this paves the

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way for private health insurance and to have two tears of healthcare

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side by side in the same hospital. Private beds and public beds.

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Cumbria doctors and nurses who have declared their support for the

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changes are now proving hard to track down. But the Government is

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bullish about their silence. They have given strong support in the

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past. I am not sure where you're coming from. I believe that the GPs

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in North Cumbria at the forefront of these reforms. I cannot comment

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on what the Primary Care Trust are saying but that doctor was a strong

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supporter of our proposals. these mothers remain aware that

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changes to the NHS are on the way but how they will affect day-to-day

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access to doctors and hospitals is Let's deal with the fact that we

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cannot talk to these doctors. I do not expect you to have a detailed

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idea of why not. But surely it is a sign the reforms are not

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progressing as well as hoped. not know why oh why people will not

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speak. But I am looking at the big picture. Everybody appreciates that

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the health service needs to be reformed. The number of people over

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the age of 85 is going to double in the next number of years. Clearly

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we are seeing an number of things - the Labour Party already recognised

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there had to be reform and introduced a private contribution

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to the health service in the last parliamentary term. The realised

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you need to cut bureaucracy and give more power to doctors to

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commission services. So many ways we're saying, there is reform, but

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there is also an element of protecting funding and we want to

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make sure that things are free at the point of access. You say

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everybody accepts the need for reform. But does mother's did not.

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Why fix it if it is not broken? Because we had a ridiculous

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situation where bureaucracy was expanding. Six managers for of the

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doctor. We today money to the people in need it, like the people

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in your film. These people will not benefit from this wealthy? Your

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scaremongering is irresponsible. -- they will not benefit, while they?

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These are scarce resources and should be directed to actually

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doing things that improved people's health. But when you think about it,

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what Labour did was improve the health service and -- enormously.

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We cut waiting times. We had more staff in hospitals. New hospitals.

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And whatever people say about Labour there was a commitment. Yes,

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we know that reform must continue but the way the Government are

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doing it, a few years' time, those same women may be ruing what the

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Government has done. But all that happened with Labour reforms - and

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you cannot put privatisation back in the box - you introduced it.

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is probably the opposite. When we brought in the opportunity for

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privatisation it was not on the same scale. It was to help of the

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capacity Barton of the health service. That reduced when the

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capacity built under Labour created a completely different ball game. -

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- the capacity warden. The point is that you have not taken the medical

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profession of patients with you. Why not, if things are so good?

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Speaking as a member of the House of Lords it is always difficult to

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see the need for reform from the inside. We have put a cap of 49% on

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it. We are crucially taking money away from administration and

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bureaucracy and giving it to people know how it ought to be spent. That

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is something that Labour supported and did before the last election

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and now they are opposing it. was different circumstances. Not an

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unlimited cap. There were Foundation trusts. And the issue

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about the private patients money being more for the opportunity of

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private treatment, it was about 2%, the cap at the time. So Labour did

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not actually going to privatisation in the same way that the

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opportunities being created now. will not get you to agree so we

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will leave it at that. Thank you. Time for my colleague to cram the

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political week into 60 seconds. It was bad news for the 450 workers at

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this pharmaceutical company Newcastle whip -- coup were told

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that the company was closing. Gateshead and Middlesbrough failed

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in their attempt to win city status. The Conservatives are widening the

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net in their search for Durham Police Commissioner candidates. But

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it was the policing of the Liberal- Democrat conference that helped put

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Nick Clegg on the spot. I sincerely hope that the Deputy Prime Minister

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enjoyed our famous North East hospitality. Could he now tell the

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House when the 3,000 extra police he promised at a general election

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will be in their posts? And this new earth sculpture has been

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The search for police commissioner of candidates - his membership of

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the Conservative Party so bad that you have to drag people off the

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streets? We're just trying to open it up to people with no background

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in politics. People want a breath of fresh air. These are new posts

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in a new system which will connect policing with the local community.

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As we have seen with elected mayors, sometimes having people who are

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fresh, come from a new perspective, can bring dynamism to the post.

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Labour-run the other hand seemed to be clinging to a former MP and lots

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of councillors. We want people with a knowledge of their region and to

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think we conserve their region in a different way. Giving people a

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choice of somebody who is absolutely new and has no political

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links is fair enough. In the end people will make a vote, let's just

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hope that the party's produce good candidates. Budget next week, what

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is what the one thing the Chancellor should do for the North

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East and Cumbria? Corporation tax and keeping the success we are

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having in manufacturing. Something that people are asking me about is

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the cost of fuel. People are concerned and would like to see it

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go down. Especially a lot of our businesses. Do you think either of

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you will get you wish? I think I might have a bit more luck! I would

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hope so, as part of the Government! 50% tax rate? To yes or no. Wealth

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Andrew Neil and Richard Moss with the latest political news and debate.

Andrew Neil interviews John Cridland, Chairman of the CBI on what businesses want from Wednesdays Budget. Sir Simon Jenkins, Chairman of the National Trust, and Stephen Hammond MP go head to head over the Government's plans to change planning laws affecting the countryside.


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