12/05/2013 Sunday Politics North East and Cumbria


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$$CLEAR $:/STARTFEED. $$CLEAR Hello and a very warm welcome to

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your local part of the show. Coming up: Was there anything to get

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excited by in the Queen's Speech? I will be asking the MPs for

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Middlesbrough and Stockton. Also, as benefit cuts start to bite and

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there's less money in people's pockets, what impact will it have

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on local shops and businesses? I have been to Teesside to find out.

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But let's start with the Queen's Speech. It only lasted seven and a

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half minutes. Does that mean the Government has run out of steam? Or

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are they focussing on what matters? But the devil will be in the detail,

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but it was looking thin from where I was standing. Time will tell, but

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I did not think there was a great deal in it. We will get into the

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detail in a moment. It may have it may have been overshadowed somewhat

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by the departure of a certain football manager, but the coalition

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does believe the Queen's Speech will be welcomed by voters. Berwick

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MP Sir Alan Beith said tougher rules on immigration showed the

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Government had its priorities right. I believe the Government is making

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steps and the right direction in this area. Critics point to what

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was not in a speech, in particular a minimum price for alcohol and the

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introduction of plain packaging on cigarettes. Labour's health

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spokesman Andy Burnham was visiting Gateshead on Thursday and said the

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failure to include such measures showed the Government wasn't taking

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public health -- Public Health in places like the northeast seriously.

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They are dancing to the UK option. I think this is a major mistake.

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UKIP tune. The Government also promised a crime bill which

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criminalises forced marriage and includes new laws on dangerous dogs.

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Northumbria's police commissioner Vera Barid welcomed some aspects of

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the bill, but said she had concerns two. I wish they were not getting

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rid of the ASBO. I think they could have been improved instead of

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scrapped. The government also plans a shake-up of probation. Other

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significant bills will see the state pension age increase took 67

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and a �72,000 cap introduced on social care costs. Are these

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responses purely to the pressure from it you Cheb? I don't believe

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they are. -- pressure from UKIP. I don't believe they are. I believe

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the Government is responding to public concerns. We are reducing

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immigration by one third already. More can be done. A Home Secretary

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can tackle this important issue. Account imagined a constituent

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talking about tobacco packaging. These are major problems in our

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region. Driving up the cost to people for alcohol is not something

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the Government should be doing at difficult times. Even if it helps

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save lives? Are on tobacco packaging, there is not enough

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evidence that this makes a difference. In Australia, it has

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become a fashion accessory. It also makes a counterfeit cigarettes

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easier to produce. The coalition has picked on things that it

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believes constituents might be concerned about. We have seen crime

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produce consistently since 1995. Long may that continue. I am not

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sure that is a priority. What worries me is that deterioration of

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economic circumstances. That is a real issue for us. You have touched

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upon the immigration issue. What is a real concern to me is the

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exploitation of migrant workers who are being exploited and wages are

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being driven down. You can understand upset regarding wages

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being driven down by that method. There is also upset regarding

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health and housing. It makes an attractive story to a son that

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people coming to this country seeking asylum or refuge, the red

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carpet is rolled out for them and they're getting preferential

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treatment. My discussions with those people, it could not be

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further from that position at all. They are not treated in that way. I

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met with people a fortnight ago in Middlesbrough for were struggling

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so much to keep a roof over their heads and to keep food on the table.

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It was a terrible story and one we should revisit of some intelligence

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and compassion, instead of headline-grabbing. The economy is

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the crucial issue. What does the Queen's Speech do about that?

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of the big measures coming forward will be the employment allowance.

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That will mean employers will have to pay less national insurance. It

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is being brought in in 2015. The North East did extremely well with

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the regional growth money. We are looking at rolling back red tape

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and making it easier for people to do business. These are not

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overnight fixes. But there are a number of important measures under

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to show the government is serious about growing the economy. Jobs and

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employment affect people every day. Do you accept that the Government

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is serious about getting people back to work? The jobs crisis is

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enormous. Her when they talk about the regeneration of this region and

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the economy doing well, I look at that acid test of the number of

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people claiming jobseeker's allowance and the figures do not

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make happy reading. 14%. It is abysmal. Labour keep talking about

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a jobs guarantee. That is for people who are unemployed for two

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years. Where are these jobs coming from? It is about giving employers

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a confidence to take people on knowing that it is properly funded.

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It is not a jobs guarantee unless you can persuade employers it is

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worth that? It is about guaranteeing funding for young

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people and those who have been unemployed for over two years.

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We're now seeing people who have contributed all their lives due tax

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and national insurance who are perhaps in the 50s and now they are

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out of work. It is not realistic. Labour have come out with a raft of

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measures that would cost nearly �30 billion. The bridge either borrow

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more or increased taxes. We need to deal with the debt problem and

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bring the deficit down. This government has done that year on

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year since they came into power. They are properly funded. We are

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looking at sharing the load fork -- sharing the load more fairly. Four

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up him to suggest the economy is in a healthy position, debt is

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increasing and increasing. credits, child benefit, the new

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under-occupancy charge. These are all ways in which the Government is

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cutting the welfare bill to try and control public spending. And that

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inevitably means there is less money in some people's pockets. How

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much less? Well, research by Sheffield Hallam University

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suggests by 2015 the northeast's economy will lose �940 million a

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year. I went to Middlesbrough to find out what impact that might

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have,. This woman was a chef until recently. Since April, she has lost

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�30 from her housing benefit because the government say they

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have spare bedrooms. I am having to cut back on gas and electricity. I

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can only afford to do one load of washing each week. The price of

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food has gone up. The way things are going, I think I will be

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evicted. I cannot afford this any more. She is not alone. Thousands

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in Middlesbrough have seen benefits Cup since April. For every pound

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lost from benefits in Middlesbrough, that is �1 fewer to be spent in

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local businesses. Some here believe they are already seeing the impact

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of VAT. Takings in this newsagent are down �2,000 from the same month

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last year. They believe welfare changes are making customers spent

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less. We have seen a decrease in our sales regarding alcohol and

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things which people would class as luxury items. People are having to

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pay the bills. That comes first. have more changes to come, local

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businesses could take more hits. The Sheffield Hallam University

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study estimates welfare reform will take billions of pounds out of the

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UK economy over the coming years. Middles Brough is predicted to lose

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�720 million a year -- �720 for every working adult. There are

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similar figures for other parts of our region. For shopping areas like

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this, that could be lethal. A There are a lot of businesses in a small

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area here. If one does not have much business, the other want. If

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the pub does not have many people in, that affect us because they

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come here for cigarettes and crisps. The Government insist welfare

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reform will help not harm the economy, by encouraging people off

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benefits and into work. This man has already made that move. He now

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has an apprenticeship. It is fantastic. I am planning a holiday.

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Before, I was on the dole and I only had limited money. You

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couldn't do anything. Now I am working here, I go out with friends

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and do whatever I want. There are Job Centre referred him to a local

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training company. Their boss is convinced that getting people to

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earn their own money is the key to economic revival. We all need money

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in our pockets to spend time with family and friends. That gives

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people hope. Thousands of others in the North East remain a out to work

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and on benefits. If that has not changed, hundreds of millions of

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pounds will disappear from an economy that is already flat lining.

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I am joined now by Professor Steve Fothergill from the Centre for

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regional, economic and social research at Sheffield Hallam

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University which has been looking at the impact of benefactor -- of

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benefit cuts on the local economy. How do we compare with the rest of

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the UK? 19 bn in total is likely to be taken out of the UK economy by

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these benefit reforms. There will be a big difference across the

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country because clearly the numbers on benefits are much larger in some

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parts of the country than in others. For those who are in work and on

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benefits, it is those on low pay in some of the weaker local economies

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we are talking about. It is predominantly the old industrial

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regions that face the biggest hits. Part of South England will escape

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rather lightly. There has been a lot of publicity in recent weeks

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about the so-called bedroom tax. That is just a small part of the

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jigsaw. The really big ones are reforms to capacity benefits. They

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will come in over the next three years. Reforms to the disability

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living allowance. Often the same people claim of benefits. Those

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will have a huge impact because we have huge numbers of out of work

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adults on sickness and disability benefits. Once this be compensated

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by people been encouraged to go out to work? If we were in an economy

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that was burning and the Rules of jobs, then increasing the incentive

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you would think would move more people into work. But that is not

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the national situation. The big hits in terms of benefit reforms

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are going to be in places where it is hardest to find work. Places

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like Middlesbrough are, Hartlepool, Sunderland and South Tyneside. This

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will simply intensify the scramble for the few available jobs. Do you

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believe this is a mistake? What is the alternative? We are not setting

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out in this report to say whether these reforms are a good or bad

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idea. In principle, I would suspect the best way to get the benefit

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bill Brown is to get jobs to be created in the labour market so

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that we don't need to support so many people on out of work benefits.

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There is short-term pain here, but there could be long-term game if

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this incentivising his work. -- if this is incentivising people to

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return to work. We want work to pay. Everyone would agree with that.

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That has to be the target. This excellent report points out that we

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are a way of getting people into that position just now. There are

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not the jobs for people to go to. This is the damage being caused to

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them in the local economy. �12 million is being taken out of the

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economy every year in my region. The work programme to get people

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back into employment is simply not effective. It is not just the

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impact on the people, but also businesses that is important.

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cannot use this in a vacuum. �1 spent less on benefits is being

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kept in the pockets of people paying tax. The challenge we face

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is that welfare need to pay. Under Labour, people were paid more to

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remain on welfare than in work. It was running out of control under

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Labour. The cannot make these changes that incentivising work if

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the jobs are not there. It is a cycle, the way the economy works.

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The reality is well for a spending is out of control and needed to be

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reformed. Labour might oppose that reform, but I think the vast

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majority of people support it. It will ensure that work always pays.

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This money would have to be taken out of the economy in other ways.

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It was taxpayer money. Any welfare regime has to be reviewed to

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continually. There is opposition because the Conservative-led

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government are standing up for the wrong people. Where are other

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priorities? It is not with the poor and vulnerable people. It is not

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about getting jobs going. Every time a Conservative government

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comes into power, they favour the rich and condemn places like the

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North East of England to to poverty. Nobody from Labour has said which

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ones would be reversed if they came into government. We would not have

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introduced the bedroom tax. If you think it is immoral, you would say

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that you would not do it? Were we're not in government. We're

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saying this is not an effective way of addressing welfare reform. It is

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grossly unfair. The Queen's Speech was about a fairer society. I am

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yet to see any evidence of that. Shh didn't you be standing up to

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some of your colleagues? Your constituency will have -- will be

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affected by this and parts of the South of England will not. A I want

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to help. If we do not reform welfare, it will become

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unaffordable. We have had years and years of welfare spending going up

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and up in places like Middlesbrough are and not seeing any benefit from

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it. The economy has not healed. This is about creating a system

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that is fair when at work will always pay. Labour will not reform

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or repeal any of this. It has been an exciting week for a

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former social worker from South Tyneside. With that and the rest of

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the political news here is the week in 60 seconds.

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The team reviewing high death-rate in hospitals across England has

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turned its attention to Cumbria. The NHS Trust in that region is

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under review, along with 13 others. The first woman to represent the

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seat of South Shields has been sworn in. Councils in Teesside and

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Durham are all over �70 million in unpaid council tax. Durham comes

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off worst. Stockton is owed just under �4 million. A memorial to the

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Bevin Boys has been unveiled. That is all from us. There is lots

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more on my blog on the BBC website. And on Twitter you can choose to

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