15/09/2013 Sunday Politics North East and Cumbria


15/09/2013

Andrew Neil and Richard Moss with the latest political news. With Shadow Business Secretary Chuka Umunna and former Lib Dem leader Paddy Ashdown.


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now heading for the exit. We will hear from Nick Clegg on what it

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And freshly showered from the Great North Run and looking as fresh as

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daisies, the best and brightest Janan Ganesh, Helen Lewis and Iain

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Now, their leader is our Deputy Prime Minister. They are the junior

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government. They like the colour yellow and they have not won a

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general election since dinosaurs walked the earth. Now they are

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behind UKIP in the polls, so as walked the earth. Now they are

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party gathers for its annual bash this year in Glasgow, what is on

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their mind? Who are the people gathering at the Clyde this weekend?

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their mind? Who are the people Before they started drinking, we

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councillors in England and Wales, comrade. The first question we asked

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was, if the next election results in a hung parliament, which team would

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you rather go into coalition with, the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem

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councillors said Labour, two to the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem

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Tories or Labour? It is not for the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem

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to say. It is for the voters to say. We will decide depending on

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is on the table. Who would you rather play table football against?

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because I am winning. So in the winning 's which ones are heading

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popular policy was a mansion tax on house is worth more than £2 million,

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popular policy was a mansion tax on councillors. The next most popular

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policy was scrapping the Trident nuclear deterrent, supported by

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policy was scrapping the Trident of councillors. Then there was the

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reinstatement of the 50p top rate of income tax. 70% of councillors like

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the look of that. When it came to the idea of banning the burka in

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public places like schools and airports, 45% of councillors were in

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favour. Finally, a ban on topless Page three model is won the support

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of 33% of councillors. Why is it so popular, the idea of a mansion tax?

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It is a much fairer tax. We know there are people out there with

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It is a much fairer tax. We know expensive houses. Which of these is

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most important to you? Banning Trident. The cold war ended in

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1989. Another one was the idea of banning the burka in public places.

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whatever they like. If they want to banning the burka in public places.

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wear the birth or a kilt or if they anything. We are the party of jobs.

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Thank you. Last night, a fully clothed Nick Clegg rallied his

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troops, but if he was not around, who would Lib Dem councillors want

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instead? Business Secretary Vince Cable was most popular, with a third

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of the votes. In second place, the party's president, Tim Farron, with

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27%. 10% went to Danny Alexander, while the business minister Joe

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Swinson received 7%. The Energy Secretary Ed Davey scooped 6%, and

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in last place, Steve Webb, the pensions minister, who got 5%. If

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any of these councillors want to talk to me about it, I would be

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delighted to hear from them. Is talk to me about it, I would be

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certainly isn't. What do you think contenders. But our survey is not

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the only one that has got tongues wagging in Glasgow, because the

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the only one that has got tongues Dem leadership have commissioned

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their own poll which showed that 75% Dem leadership have commissioned

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of the country will never vote Dem leadership have commissioned

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the party, no matter what they do. Also meeting here this weekend,

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the party, no matter what they do. Democrats like to think they have

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got just as much va-va-voom, even if a big chunk of the country doesn't.

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Add, back in his hometown. So, the Much of their party thinks they

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Add, back in his hometown. So, the moving in the wrong direction.

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Earlier, I spoke to former party moving in the wrong direction.

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leader Paddy Ashdown. He has been put in charge of heading up the

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leader Paddy Ashdown. He has been election campaign. I asked him if

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the mood in Glasgow was grim. No. In many ways, as you know, Tory old

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commentator that you are just as I am a hoary old member at the other

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end of the camera, we have been midterm of a government, especially

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when you are in government and the country is going for in a deep

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economic crisis, has almost no relevance to where you might be

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economic crisis, has almost no the nipple come to consider how

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economic crisis, has almost no will vote in 600 days time -- when

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the people come to consider how will vote in 600 days time -- when

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will vote. We do not dismiss polls, but they are a snapshot of what

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will vote. We do not dismiss polls, indication of where we will be.

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will vote. We do not dismiss polls, guess is, for what it is worth,

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will vote. We do not dismiss polls, as we come to the election, the

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public will be in a very serious, probably frightened mood. Their

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public will be in a very serious, thoughts will be, who maintains

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public will be in a very serious, job, makes sure I don't have to

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public will be in a very serious, to higher mortgage? The coalition

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has delivered not only the required policies to make Britain's economy

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prosperous, but also its society fair. That is what people will want

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to see. I think coalition politics are here to stay and we have a role

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to play in it. But you are in a are here to stay and we have a role

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mood this morning. You tweeted that you were not happy with how the

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Observer newspaper handled your there anything we can do to help?

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There is probably something they arguments with the interview. The

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headline they chose to put on it late last night was outrageous,

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misrepresentative and in one case in Something about Ashdown wants a

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coalition with the Tories, or at Something about Ashdown wants a

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least they gave that in for us Something about Ashdown wants a

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inference. Let me make this point. election. I am in charge of the

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campaign. Any journalist who in these next two years says that any

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Liberal Democrat prefers anything else in terms of the outcome of

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Liberal Democrat prefers anything coalition but the result of the

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ballot box dictating that outcome, that any prefer one side to another

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coalition determined by the electors that any prefer one side to another

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in the votes, will get a bloody that any prefer one side to another

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time from me, no matter who they are. We take the warning. A survey

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of Lib Dem councillors shows that in coalition with the Tories. That

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of Lib Dem councillors shows that in clear sign that your activists want

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a change of direction. I don't think it is news that as a left-wing

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party, we find it more congenial with those on the left wing, but

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that is not the issue. You saw it election. We are servants of the

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ballot box. We do watch the British people require us to do to provide a

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of our country. I am sure you have stable government in the interests

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of our country. I am sure you have got the point by now. I have fought

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the Tories all my life. But when responsibility to amend the economic

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crisis, was this right for the determine who are going to be in any

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coalition, should there be one, determine who are going to be in any

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voters and nobody else. It is not about what we like. I understand

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that. But your own internal polls leadership are not taking the party

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with them on that. I don't think that is true. Nick Clegg has done

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what no other party leader has done. He took the coalition agreement

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what no other party leader has done. the party, and they voted for it. So

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it is not true to say that members different direction. I think we

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it is not true to say that members extraordinarily united. I did not

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expect them to be so under these pressures, but they have surprised

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me and made me joyful at the same time. The party has done what it

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done in local government for a long time. We may have our private likes

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and dislikes, but the thing that coalition is the ballot box. You

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have said that three times. I can say it again if you like. Please

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don't! What if your party votes say it again if you like. Please

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reinstate tuition fees as party policy afternoon? We will have to

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listen to that and act accordingly. You must listen to the voice of

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listen to that and act accordingly. party and take it into account in

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what you do. I am always quite answering hypothetical questions. I

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don't think it is likely to happen, but if it did, we would have to

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don't think it is likely to happen, distinguished Lib Dems was that

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don't think it is likely to happen, your party conference voted for

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something, it was in the manifesto. The manifesto is taken in its final

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form before the party for decision. The party will express views at

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form before the party for decision. stage in all sorts of ways. It did

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in my leadership, too. The manifesto is democratically agreed by the

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party at the time of the election, not before. The Tory conference

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party at the time of the election, be about how they think they have

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been vindicated, that austerity be about how they think they have

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worked, the economy is turning a corner. But Nick Clegg's conference

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announcements will be about plastic bags. Have you got the hang of this

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coalition think? Andrew, you can always be guaranteed to put things

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in the most discreditable form! always be guaranteed to put things

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is part of your charm. That was about to be a minor announcement in

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discovered beforehand. It has not the middle of his speech. But it was

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discovered beforehand. It has not been very popular in terms of how it

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has been received, but that is not the central message. That leads

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has been received, but that is not to what I think is the biggest

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election. Isn't the biggest danger that the Tories, not you, if there

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is an economic recovery, they will get the credit for it? I don't think

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think the electorate does gratitude. The only time people cast a thank

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Thatcher over the sale of council houses. We could have a different

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discussion over whether that was a good idea. But what you have done is

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the underpinning for the promise of government, we have stayed firm

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the underpinning for the promise of very tough economic policy. But

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the underpinning for the promise of you get the credit? What we have

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done by ourselves, which the Tories would never have done, is make sure

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that when the pain is felt, it is not the poor who feel it. We have

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seen the biggest shift of taxation, lifting the poorest in the country

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out of taxation, that has ever happened, including in the previous

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Labour government. You are presiding over the biggest squeeze on living

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standards in modern times. Because it is the biggest recession in

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modern times. When you speak to it is the biggest recession in

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2.5 million people who have been lifted out of taxation altogether

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because of the Liberal Democrats, tax cut. You may be able to make the

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because of the Liberal Democrats, connection, Andrew, you are a sharp

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economic crisis and difficulty for everybody. But it is clear that

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economic crisis and difficulty for the Tories had been by themselves,

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none of that would have happened. We have sought to shift the burden

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none of that would have happened. We from the poorest in this country. I

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am part of that. So when we go into the next election, the message will

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am part of that. So when we go into be that if you want to continue

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am part of that. So when we go into have a prosperous economy and a

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society, only the Liberal Democrats will deliver that. Tim Farron says

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want to diss him. Can you confirm he likes Ed Miliband and he does not

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want to diss him. Can you confirm that there will be no dissing of Ed

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Miliband? It is not much my style. I've never much liked comments about

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the other leaders. I do not intend to make it so in the future. Can I'd

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finish up on Syria? You said after the Syria vote that Britain was

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finish up on Syria? You said after hugely diminished country. Given it

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both sides on a course which could weapons without records to military

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action, would you like to withdraw these remarks and admit that you

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should be proud and happy with what Britain has done? No. You and I

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should be proud and happy with what know, because we are old observers,

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that that would never have happened underpinning of a threat to use

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resigned from that. We have no part to play in the fact that Assad and

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Putin have moved towards peace for to play in the fact that Assad and

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fear of military action. We decided exactly the opposite. Why would

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fear of military action. We decided liked to have seen our country join

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in with those who are serious about upholding an international law which

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left others to make sure that we talent, but instead we resigned

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left others to make sure that we moved towards peace. -- even the

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Maxis and Stalin. But if it had moved towards peace. -- even the

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would not have had the time to allow this to happen. It has avoided war.

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Job done, British Parliament. That would be true if it was accurate but

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it is not. The resolution proposed a delay, that we should wait until the

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inspectors came back. That time frame was absolutely nothing to

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inspectors came back. That time with the parliamentary vote. The

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vote was going to incorporate that. I do not think you can claim what

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vote was going to incorporate that. remember that diplomacy, which was

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not reinforced by the threat of military action, does not work.

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not reinforced by the threat of is when diplomacy runs with a grain

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of military action that it works. illustration of that, look at what

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is happening over the last two weeks. By regret to say that our

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country, which has always been in disengagement, had no part to play

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And you we would get to the Balkans eventually, and we did. His biggest

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challenge is if the economy is get some credit for the Lib Dems,

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when the Tories will want to halt it all. But his position is not to

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when the Tories will want to halt it the necessary axeman. That is George

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Osborne's role. Their role is to be Osborne's role. Their role is to be

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the chaser party, taking the edge off. They will because of me going

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on about the pupil premium and That is what you will hear from

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of the cuts. Will that work? They them, how they have taken the edge

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of the cuts. Will that work? They are in a pretty good position. Even

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if they have lost two thirds of are in a pretty good position. Even

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popular support, according to the polls, I do not know anyone in

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Westminster methinks that will be matched in their parliamentary

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representation. If they have 56 matched in their parliamentary

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now, they might lose a dozen but Strategically, they are in a better

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position than the reading of the polls would tell you. I think Nick

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Clegg's survival has been one of the stories of this Parliament. He is

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looking good at the comfort -- at the conference. When he was at his

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lowest after the AV referendum, people were saying he would survive

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I thought that was fanciful. Believe and lead us into 2015 and beyond and

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I thought that was fanciful. Believe it or not... Paddy Ashdown was

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wrong, you were wrong and... I wasn't. I'm underestimated how bad

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his rivals are. If you are Lib Dem member, however aggrieved you are

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with Nick Clegg, you do not think, wouldn't it be great if Christian

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was in charge? Nick Clegg is the best they have. -- Chris Huhne was

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in charge. Of course, the people do in charge. Of course, the people do

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government and it is a consequence of the way they vote, a different

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matter. If Janan Ganesh is right, and they lose 15 seats in the next

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pivotal in the next government. It Possibly the most amusing outcome

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would be a Labour or Tory overall majority, which would be hilarious

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for the look on Paddy Ashdown's face. The danger is they get trapped

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constantly in talking about the politics of coalition and of a hung

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parliament. And they are very puffed politics of coalition and of a hung

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parliament. And they are very puffed up and they enjoy Parliament and

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there is a possibility they will not be. While they are talking about the

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Polish and themselves, they are be. While they are talking about the

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talking about the issues facing be. While they are talking about the

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coalition. It was interesting that he said that we are a left-wing

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party, not a centre-left party or a centre party, but a left-wing party.

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I'm going to put myself in the firing line and say that there is a

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big split between the Tim Farron line who say they like Ed Miliband,

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and another one, Jeremy Browne in the Home Office saying that Labour

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are intellectually lazy. The risk clearly a clique around Nick Clegg

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who wants to be a synthetic party, but that is not where the membership

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who wants to be a synthetic party, activists are clearly of the left,

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not just the centre-left. They are very pro-immigration and they want

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strategy has to be to take the party to the centre. The something not

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happen at some stage? The poll suggests it is a left-wing party.

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happen at some stage? The poll Very left-wing. Other think the

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happen at some stage? The poll would have yielded -- would have

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yielded the same results before would have yielded -- would have

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2010 election. This is reflected by the arithmetic. Whichever party

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2010 election. This is reflected by biggest will most likely be the

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2010 election. This is reflected by in coalition with the Lib Dems.

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2010 election. This is reflected by Clegg's on latitude to choose is

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exaggerated by us. The choice is no parliamentary arithmetic. But if you

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remember the structure of the Lib Dems, they can tie themselves up in

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infighting. -- the choice is not stable. And Nick Clegg has had a

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good conference last year, and will have another one this year. The

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economy is better than it was a have another one this year. The

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ago. It could still go quite well for him. Yes, it is one of the

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ago. It could still go quite well stories of this Parliament, his

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survival and the way in which he has prospered. But there are a lot of

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campaigners, labour activists who have not forgotten what he has done

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in government and are determined to get him. It will be a tough year and

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a half. Tougher than he imagined. Now, not so long ago they were

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writing George Osborne's political obituary. Be on the Omni shambles

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budget of 2012 and a lacklustre performance of the British economy

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meant his reputation work -- was in the dirt. -- the omnishambles. But

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things have changed. The Chancellor is saying he has been vindicated. If

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runway, it looks as though the British economy has taken off,

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quarter. Forecasts for the rest British economy has taken off,

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the year have been revised up words. What's more, the office for National

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recession never actually happened. Unemployment is down in the three

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months to July and the number of spasticity rate since 1997. On

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Monday, George Osborne said his policies were bearing fruit. We

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Monday, George Osborne said his our nerve when many told us to

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abandon our plans. As a result, thanks to the efforts and sacrifices

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of the British people, Britain is turning a corner. The message for

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his Labour critics was clear. The Chancellor thinks he was right and

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Good afternoon. Good afternoon.Do you accept that the economy has

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turned a corner? I think it is good that a stalled recovery appears

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turned a corner? I think it is good get this in perspective. We have had

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three wasted years. We have the worst economic recovery in history.

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Debt is up and we have record youth programme if they feel better or

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worse off, compared to 2010, the majority will tell you they feel

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worse because, on average, wages are down by £1500 compared to May of

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2010. That is the situation. The one of the things we have seen

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talked about, Vince Cable has been talking about this as well, is what

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is happening in the housing market. It seems that much of the solution

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to powering the recovery in the It seems that much of the solution

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of George Osborne lies in sorting out the housing market but the

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problem is, we are at risk of being another housing bubble. Because

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problem is, we are at risk of being research that came out this week, we

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know that housing in the UK is three times more expensive than in the US.

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know that housing in the UK is three We know that house prices are rising

:26:29.:26:31.

five times faster than wages, but we also know that the government is

:26:31.:26:38.

five times faster than wages, but we building new housing at a slower

:26:38.:26:40.

rate, the slowest rate that we have complaining about a housing bubble,

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isn't that like Satan complaining about seven? -- seven. We all know

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that we cannot go back to business as usual. We need to build a new

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model of growth. But the housing bubble you talk about, it is not a

:26:57.:27:01.

bubble. It might turn into one. bubble you talk about, it is not a

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said the risk of a bubble. It is nothing like what happened on the

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I said, in 2009, we had the crash and we knew we needed to reconfigure

:27:12.:27:16.

the way that our economy works. Having an economy based on crisis is

:27:16.:27:24.

rebalance the economy. We saw the unemployment statistics this week,

:27:24.:27:28.

and it is welcomed overall, that unemployment has come down. At half

:27:28.:27:40.

up. And it went down in other parts. We know that we need to rebalance

:27:40.:27:45.

our economy, so that we do not just rely on consumption, but that we

:27:45.:27:51.

grow our productive sectors. And also that we grow our exports as

:27:51.:27:55.

well. We know we have a continuing deficit. We always have a trade

:27:55.:28:02.

deficit. There was never a trade surplus under Labour. Want to come

:28:02.:28:12.

onto what you have mentioned but would you scrap the help to buy

:28:12.:28:14.

scheme? We have not said that we would you scrap the help to buy

:28:14.:28:18.

scheme? We have not said that we would do that. Why not if it is

:28:18.:28:20.

causing the bubble? If you let me finish, on one hand what that scheme

:28:20.:28:27.

does at the moment, at the moment it is inhalation to a new scheme but

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tomorrow -- next year it will be in you do not sort out the supply of

:28:34.:28:38.

housing, then that is a recipe for the problems we have seen. Our

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argument is build more houses. Help more people to buy them by all means

:28:43.:28:45.

but if you do not have the supply more people to buy them by all means

:28:45.:28:48.

but if you do not have the supply you will end up with rising prices.

:28:48.:28:52.

That is obvious. Labour said that government austerity would prevent

:28:52.:28:54.

the return of growth. Austerity government austerity would prevent

:28:54.:29:00.

were wrong. We never said that growth would never return. What

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were wrong. We never said that said was that if you went for an

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were wrong. We never said that overly extreme deficit reduction

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recovery and you would choke growth. That is what we saw for three years.

:29:11.:29:17.

If you say, look at the US economy, it has grown at three times the

:29:17.:29:24.

If you say, look at the US economy, economy has grown at twice the rate.

:29:24.:29:27.

But the British economy is growing quicker than the American or German

:29:27.:29:31.

economy is now. But over time we have not seen that happen. But it is

:29:31.:29:36.

now. That may be the case. But my point is that those three years

:29:36.:29:41.

now. That may be the case. But my people undergoing huge stress and

:29:42.:29:44.

worry. It is good that we have growth back again but the question

:29:44.:29:48.

is, what kind of growth? What we have said... I'm going to come onto

:29:48.:29:54.

that but your credibility depends on your previous analysis. And there

:29:54.:29:57.

are doubts about it. This is what you said not that long ago. In

:29:57.:30:05.

You and the Labour Party said it had choked off growth. You were wrong.

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We were not wrong, because we had three years where the economy was

:30:33.:30:37.

not moving. Let's remind ourselves. Claude Osborne was predicting that

:30:37.:30:41.

the economy was going to grow by 6.9% between the start of this

:30:41.:30:46.

Parliament and now. It has grown by 1.8%. We did not say we would never

:30:46.:30:55.

have a return to growth. You never said that austerity would only

:30:55.:30:58.

temporarily delay growth. We have looked through your speeches and Ed

:30:58.:31:03.

Balls'. We can't find any reference to say this is simply delaying the

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recovery. You said austerity would choke off growth. If that is true,

:31:09.:31:13.

why has it returned now? Did we choke off growth. If that is true,

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it would choke off growth for ever? choke off growth. If that is true,

:31:18.:31:26.

We did not. You have changed your tune. I think your package at the

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top of this programme, to frame tune. I think your package at the

:31:29.:31:33.

around George Osborne, this is not a people's lives, and the people who

:31:33.:31:39.

deserve huge credit for the growth we are seeing are our country's

:31:39.:31:46.

businesses, who despite the tough economic times, have succeeded.

:31:46.:31:49.

businesses, who despite the tough are the ones who have powered this

:31:49.:31:49.

Westminster to take credit. But are the ones who have powered this

:31:49.:31:56.

blame the government for lack of growth. So therefore, when the

:31:56.:32:03.

growth comes, the government has to situation Britain is in now. We

:32:03.:32:09.

growth comes, the government has to the recovery still has to reach

:32:09.:32:12.

growth comes, the government has to parts of the country, but this is

:32:12.:32:16.

the OECD annualised growth in the G-7, the world's guest economies.

:32:16.:32:21.

That is looking pretty healthy. G-7, the world's guest economies.

:32:21.:32:29.

is a recovery. I am not denying G-7, the world's guest economies.

:32:29.:32:33.

we are seeing a stalled recovery, but who benefits from the growth? On

:32:33.:32:38.

average, your viewers have sustained a £1500 pay cut. That is the second

:32:38.:32:48.

biggest fall in the G20 since May 2010. Because we had the biggest

:32:48.:32:54.

financial services sector and took services are still in decline.

:32:54.:33:06.

the economy. They are not the only contributor to the economy. The

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point is, who benefits? Unemployment is falling, but we don't just want

:33:12.:33:15.

people to have any job, we want Out of the classroom and out

:33:15.:50:29.

exploring in the rain, a new school and a new term for these children.

:50:29.:50:36.

This Academy has just opened. Being close to nature is at the centre of

:50:36.:50:40.

much of what it does. That freedom is gets a parents and teachers. I

:50:40.:50:44.

love the fact that it is outdoor learning and they treat teachers

:50:44.:50:53.

as... They do all sorts. It is very imaginative. They didn't know which

:50:53.:51:00.

staff would be employed here, I think we can confidently say that we

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have 150 people interested next year and that we will take our phone

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number. For some, free schools are also a chance to end the monopoly

:51:09.:51:12.

that councils have traditionally had an education at local level. No

:51:12.:51:20.

longer have we got to worry about what the local authority provides,

:51:20.:51:23.

we can now have parents choosing for themselves to open, to bring about

:51:23.:51:28.

new educational provision and other parents will choose whether they

:51:28.:51:33.

want to take part. It will drag any standard up, but it will hopefully

:51:33.:51:37.

also raise the standards of the existing local authority educational

:51:37.:51:40.

provision. Since the introduction, free schools have sprung up around

:51:40.:51:44.

the country, including in the region. So far, five have opened in

:51:44.:51:49.

the north—east, including three this month in Newcastle, Darlington and

:51:49.:51:53.

Durham. Three more in the pipeline, including one in Cumbria and edgy to

:51:53.:51:59.

open next year. Free schools aren't free from controversy. Critics argue

:51:59.:52:02.

they will create more chaos in the classroom. Many free schools rely

:52:02.:52:09.

exclusively almost on the commitment of individual parents, which is fine

:52:09.:52:13.

while they are in the school, but begs the question about long—term

:52:13.:52:17.

sustainability. One of the things that we will see is a number of free

:52:17.:52:21.

schools close after a few years because there is not the same level

:52:21.:52:25.

of parental interest that there was at the outset. That means that we

:52:25.:52:28.

will have to pick up the pieces. Netted that oppositions to free

:52:28.:52:35.

schools that is causing concern. Recently, Labour's education

:52:35.:52:38.

spokesman said there would be no more free schools if his party gets

:52:39.:52:42.

into power at the next general election and that bad news for

:52:42.:52:46.

people hoping to open a free school in this field. Plans the school in

:52:46.:52:53.

Teeside have been delayed by planning difficulties. Parents are

:52:53.:52:55.

determined to make it happen, but unless it gets off the ground soon,

:52:55.:52:59.

there are fears it may not do so. We have spent three years working on

:52:59.:53:04.

this and it would be devastating, not just to ask, but to the entire

:53:04.:53:09.

community and the children and young people in our community for us to

:53:09.:53:12.

lose the school, regardless what the cause of losing it was, whether it

:53:12.:53:16.

is a change of Government or whether we cannot establish a site. The

:53:16.:53:21.

children attending them may be oblivious to the controversy but are

:53:21.:53:25.

happy to sing along. With more free schools on the way, the spat over

:53:25.:53:28.

what they will mean for education in the wrong run would end when the

:53:28.:53:32.

singing is over when the children go home.

:53:32.:53:34.

Some teaching unions still maintain a dim view of free schools. One of

:53:34.:53:38.

those is the NASUWT and its North East regional organiser Simon

:53:38.:53:44.

Kennedy is here now. You may not like these, but evidence is that

:53:44.:53:49.

parents do. It is just the educational establishment that has

:53:49.:53:52.

tried to stop them happening. I don't think that is the case. All of

:53:52.:53:57.

the service show that what parents want is a good, local school. That

:53:57.:54:02.

is what local authorities are delivering, time and again. That is

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what they are providing and these schools are unnecessary, they are

:54:09.:54:14.

very expensive and economic elite unjustifiable. They also don't have

:54:14.:54:20.

any proven track record. They have hardly started. Why if all of the

:54:20.:54:24.

schools are fantastic, we know some fail, why parents setting them up?

:54:24.:54:31.

—— why are parents. Durham free schools were set up on a site of a

:54:31.:54:38.

school that had to stop providing education for 11 to 16 as there was

:54:38.:54:43.

not allow children to justify it. The two local schools that are

:54:43.:54:47.

closest to it are both outstanding, one is the third best state school

:54:47.:54:52.

in the country... The point is they should have nothing to fear. They

:54:52.:54:55.

could school... A good school will survive. It is about improving the

:54:55.:55:07.

standard of education. This is about increasing competition, competition

:55:07.:55:13.

does not drive up standards. Where is your evidence? In Sweden, where

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this idea came from, they rolled back from the free schools because

:55:19.:55:28.

the competition actually created social division, Durham

:55:28.:55:35.

University's local recent... Sorry. We have to leave it there anyway.

:55:35.:55:39.

Nick Brown, Labour has made a mistake over this. They should just

:55:39.:55:45.

admit defeat. Yellow mac I don't agree, my responsibility as a Member

:55:45.:55:50.

of Parliament is to represent the interest of all of the parent and

:55:50.:55:55.

all of the children, not just some of them, the school system has to

:55:55.:55:59.

work for everyone who is in it. For the children that are going to come

:56:00.:56:03.

into it and it has two have delivered for the youngsters who

:56:03.:56:07.

have left and are starting their way in the world. This suggestion of

:56:07.:56:13.

exceptionalism, that some people should have something different and

:56:13.:56:16.

separate and in their own minds better, at the expense of the others

:56:16.:56:23.

and does not seem right. Allenby, the Liberal Democrats are a

:56:23.:56:27.

bit conflicted. The rank and file don't like it, what would you do if

:56:27.:56:30.

a group of parents came to you and said we want to set up this school?

:56:30.:56:36.

I would tell them what processes were and give them advice on how to

:56:36.:56:40.

use what is available. Coalition policy is a compromise, we got

:56:40.:56:44.

something that mattered to us which was the pupil premium to channel

:56:44.:56:48.

more money into schools. What would you say... I did, for example in the

:56:48.:56:56.

past when parents wanted to use a different system, I gave them the

:56:56.:57:01.

advice. I recognise that the way you have this parental backing and

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parental enthusiasm, this is something that you do want is to

:57:04.:57:09.

harness into education and if if you free schools can demonstrate things

:57:09.:57:12.

that the state system needs to learn, we can take a reasonably

:57:12.:57:17.

tolerant attitude towards it. Especially, as at the same time, we

:57:17.:57:21.

are achieving things we wanted in education. It does not answer any

:57:21.:57:28.

question. There are 2000, just over 2000, surplus places in the school

:57:28.:57:31.

system, the secondary school system, and 2500 in the primary

:57:31.:57:37.

school system. How can creating an extra school so that? Labour is in a

:57:37.:57:43.

bit of a mess, because it has led parents lead academies. It sounds

:57:43.:57:48.

like a free school. We are going to have to take the system as we find

:57:48.:57:52.

it and the last thing wants to do is to disrupt the education of

:57:52.:57:58.

youngsters. But parents...As they go through school, but the problem

:57:58.:58:02.

in Newcastle is that there are surplus places, there's not a need

:58:02.:58:06.

for more schools, it is making sure that the existing ones deliver for

:58:06.:58:09.

all of the children in the city. That will be our focus and our

:58:09.:58:12.

priority. Now, I bet at some point over the

:58:12.:58:16.

summer you were crying out for a concise and witty 60 second summary

:58:16.:58:19.

of the week's political news. Well, wipe your eyes, we're back and your

:58:19.:58:31.

wish is our command. Ian Lavery has warned his party

:58:31.:58:35.

could face financial meltdown if it breaks the traditional links with

:58:35.:58:39.

the unions. He says Ed Miliband's proposals are ill thought through.

:58:39.:58:43.

Paul Butler will be the new Bishop of Durham, his predecessor became

:58:43.:58:46.

Archbishop of Canterbury, no pressure there.

:58:46.:58:50.

Cumbria's hospitals have been given action money to help them...

:58:50.:58:57.

Hospitals across the North is like in other parts of the country are

:58:57.:59:01.

facing considerable pressure on the accident and emergency departments.

:59:01.:59:08.

Did the sexiest date set out —— Secretary of State set out the

:59:08.:59:14.

thinking on this hash—2—mac District will now the final say on

:59:14.:59:18.

plans and previous bid been blocked by the County Council.

:59:18.:59:26.

One executive spent £715 for a cab to take him and his cat to the

:59:26.:59:30.

airport, not the usual kind, expenses kitty. If my cat is

:59:30.:59:38.

watching, the bus is good enough for you. Nick Brown, were talking about

:59:38.:59:43.

union funding, you were a member of the GMP, we do more than more than

:59:43.:59:47.

£1 million from your party this week because of this discussion about

:59:47.:59:50.

union links. Do you think they were right to do so? Yellow mac it is a

:59:50.:59:55.

question for them. You must have an opinion. It is their money. What

:59:55.:00:03.

they have actually done is the money is expressed as the weekly levy that

:00:03.:00:13.

the members pay. For the GMP, it is three weeks in a year and they have

:00:13.:00:18.

reduced it to two. That is what has happened. The money goes to a

:00:18.:00:25.

general fund. I don't think it is coming... I think they are saying

:00:25.:00:29.

that they will put more money into general fund and less money into the

:00:29.:00:32.

political fund and that is a decision for the unions. Let's talk

:00:32.:00:37.

about Labour, are Ed Miliband's proposed reforms of the trade union

:00:37.:00:41.

links ill thought out? I don't know what they are, so it is early to say

:00:41.:00:46.

that they are ill thought out. They said that he wants to see more

:00:46.:00:50.

people paying the political levy joining in on the activities of

:00:50.:00:53.

individual members of the Labour Party, I agree. I would like to see

:00:53.:00:58.

that. Exactly how he intends to do it, I am unsure as I have not seen

:00:58.:01:03.

the proposal. Alan, should people be worried about this? The Labour

:01:04.:01:08.

leader was chosen by a trade union. I think people want big money taken

:01:08.:01:10.

out of politics. That's it from us. Don't forget if

:01:10.:01:17.

you have views on anything we've discussed today you can let rip by

:01:17.:01:21.

posting them to me on Twitter. The details are on the screen now. Next

:01:21.:01:25.

week, we'll be hearing from Labour leader Ed Miliband, and discussing

:01:25.:01:27.

whether Middlesbrough really needs another Ray Mallon. Could be lively.

:01:27.:01:31.

Now though, it's back to Andrew. deserves a programme all to itself.

:01:31.:01:44.

In a moment, more from our political Good afternoon. Nick Clegg says

:01:44.:01:51.

victory for either the Conservatives Good afternoon. Nick Clegg says

:01:51.:01:55.

or labour at the next election would put at risk the economic recovery

:01:55.:01:59.

is. Speaking in Glasgow at the Liberal Democrat annual conference,

:01:59.:02:00.

he said a coalition would allow Liberal Democrat annual conference,

:02:00.:02:04.

party to balance politics and enable the government to finish the job of

:02:04.:02:09.

repairing the economy fairly. It is my genuine belief that if we go

:02:09.:02:15.

repairing the economy fairly. It is coalition and Islands politics,

:02:15.:02:18.

repairing the economy fairly. It is dominating blood on their own, you

:02:19.:02:22.

will get a recovery which is neither fair nor sustainable. Labour would

:02:22.:02:24.

wreck the recovery, and under the fair nor sustainable. Labour would

:02:24.:02:28.

same commitment to fairness as ours, you would get the wrong kind

:02:28.:02:35.

Two 19-year-old woman arrested after a stabbing on Thursday have been

:02:35.:02:37.

released without charge. Police a stabbing on Thursday have been

:02:37.:02:41.

trying to discover if there is a link between the killing and a fire

:02:41.:02:45.

four hours later in which four Five people are being questioned in

:02:45.:02:51.

connection with that blaze. A Syrian government minister has described

:02:51.:02:54.

the agreement drawn up by America country's chemical weapons as a

:02:54.:03:00.

The minister claims the deals helps the Syrians out of a crisis and

:03:00.:03:06.

others war. The US Secretary of State John Kerry is in Israel to

:03:06.:03:08.

brief the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on the proposal. China

:03:08.:03:13.

and France have also welcomed the deal, which says Syria has until

:03:13.:03:17.

Friday to submit a competence of list of its chemical stockpile.

:03:17.:03:22.

Britain's Mo Farah has missed out on winning his first half marathon

:03:22.:03:26.

Britain's Mo Farah has missed out on He was taking part in the Great

:03:26.:03:29.

North Run between Newcastle and South Shields. Farrar, who was the

:03:29.:03:33.

favourite following his two gold Ethiopian's can mean many Serb

:03:33.:03:42.

favourite following his two gold Kenenisa Bekele in a sprint finish.

:03:42.:03:45.

A carnival atmosphere for the start was about the challenge. For others,

:03:45.:03:52.

walking it, so I have no time in simply dressing up for fun. I am

:03:52.:04:00.

walking it, so I have no time in mind. I just want to enjoy it and

:04:00.:04:02.

appreciate the crowds and have a fantastic time. For elite athletes,

:04:02.:04:08.

today's race was about who would be first over the line. Despite the

:04:08.:04:13.

wind and rain, large crowds turned out for the world's most popular

:04:13.:04:17.

half marathon, which attracts some of the finest women runners, two,

:04:17.:04:25.

including the Kenyan. There were high hopes for Britain's double

:04:25.:04:28.

Olympic champion Mo Farah, but after Shields, he was narrowly beaten

:04:29.:04:36.

Ethiopian's Kenenisa Bekele. It Shields, he was narrowly beaten

:04:36.:04:46.

thought I would come back and close the gap slowly. I managed to close

:04:46.:04:50.

it a little bit, but you can't take away what he has. Wheelchair athlete

:04:50.:04:56.

David Weir won his race for a fourth time. More than £200 million has

:04:56.:05:00.

been raised since the Great North That is it for now. There will be

:05:00.:05:16.

more news on BBC One at 6:35pm. So, did anything happen while we

:05:16.:05:19.

were away this summer? I thought heading now? Who better to answer

:05:19.:05:26.

than the best political panel we could cobble together for a tenner?

:05:26.:05:33.

Putting foreign affairs to one side for a moment, it seems that what

:05:33.:05:37.

happened mystically was that it became more apparent that some sort

:05:37.:05:41.

of recovery was underway at last, and that Mr Miliband still has not

:05:41.:05:48.

yet resonated with the British public. These things are a problem

:05:48.:05:54.

for Labour. Ed Miliband's mistake over the summer holiday was to take

:05:54.:05:56.

a summer holiday. And it looked over the summer holiday was to take

:05:56.:06:00.

the rest of the Labour Party had taken one too. They were not finding

:06:00.:06:04.

issues they could make their own. The only person who made an impact

:06:04.:06:09.

was Stella Creasy on online abuse. That is a huge problem, and it is

:06:09.:06:12.

partly down to the fact that there is this intense message discipline.

:06:12.:06:14.

They don't want to say anything is this intense message discipline.

:06:14.:06:18.

of line until they have got all their ducks in a row. It makes the

:06:18.:06:21.

party do at the moment. The terms of party do at the moment. The terms of

:06:21.:06:26.

trade have swung in David Cameron's favour, but the political rhetoric

:06:26.:06:30.

look at this headline from the is still with Mr Miliband. Let's

:06:30.:06:39.

look at this headline from the Sunday Telegraph. That headline

:06:39.:06:43.

might not be right, but the story is significant in that Mr Cameron is

:06:43.:06:46.

still in danger on his right flank significant in that Mr Cameron is

:06:46.:06:51.

doesn't need an enormous share of the vote to get an overall majority?

:06:51.:06:59.

Westminster group think. Of course Ed Miliband is in trouble. The

:06:59.:07:03.

Tories are reserved and. They are better organised, the economy is

:07:04.:07:08.

recovering. That poses difficulties for Labour, but if you look at what

:07:08.:07:15.

is happening on the ground, UKIP still pose a danger to Cameron.

:07:15.:07:18.

is happening on the ground, UKIP don't need to poll 15% in a lot

:07:18.:07:19.

is happening on the ground, UKIP those marginal seats, they just

:07:19.:07:21.

is happening on the ground, UKIP to get five or 6% of the vote, and

:07:21.:07:24.

that could potentially destroy the Tory lead. Lots of commentators

:07:24.:07:33.

that could potentially destroy the to say, this guy will never be prime

:07:33.:07:39.

minister, but it is possible that by default or by accident, in a very

:07:39.:07:45.

Miliband could end up as prime minister. It is still all to play

:07:45.:07:50.

for on both sides. If UKIP remains a threat to the Tory right flank and

:07:50.:07:55.

the Tories themselves are not really a national party any more, I am

:07:55.:07:58.

the Tories themselves are not really they will only target a few seats in

:07:58.:08:01.

Scotland, they don't get any big seats in the big cities of the north

:08:01.:08:05.

any more, they don't get the Ulster vote they used to get, so it is

:08:05.:08:09.

possible that Labour, which is more nationally based and has seats in

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the Midlands and the north and in Wales, so they could get in. I

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agree. The advantage of having a bad summer is that Ed Miliband can go to

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expectations. All he has to do is not dribble on the lectern, and

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expectations. All he has to do is will be written up as spectacular.

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expectations. All he has to do is He might not even use a lectin.

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position. The electoral vagaries of the system work in his favour. He

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still has a narrow poll lead, he is not out of the game at all. Of the

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three main party leaders, the only one who can be confident about being

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three main party leaders, the only in government after 2015 is Nick

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electorally. But if it is this bad for Labour at the moment, what will

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it be like if this recovery turns out to be real? It depends how much

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they succeed. Chuka Umunna was shifting the debate are living

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standards. They don't want to keep arguing about who called it right.

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Do people feel richer than they arguing about who called it right.

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in 2010? The data suggests that people don't feel richer than in

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2010. Because they are not.That people don't feel richer than in

:09:27.:09:33.

the basis on which Labour will fight the next election. It is clear that

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Labour are unclear on what to say or do next. They have just got to hope

:09:38.:09:42.

and pray that the economy is not as soundly based as it appears to be

:09:42.:09:45.

and that George Osborne is Tony Barber, who thought he fixed the

:09:45.:09:53.

just before the next crash. There are all sorts of uncertainties

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just before the next crash. There China, the bond market, the housing

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bubble might be blown up, and Labour just had to hope something goes

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wrong for Osborne. Chuka Umunna just had to hope something goes

:10:01.:10:07.

he would not get rid of help to just had to hope something goes

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There are all these criticisms about just had to hope something goes

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artificial schemes pumping up house prices, but he would not say that.

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It is tortuous. You see this again and again. When asked if Labour

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would repeal the bedroom tax, or the same thing with Royal Mail, it

:10:27.:10:28.

happens again. They will be falling on people who have not had a meal in

:10:28.:10:41.

coming out of the Labour Party. There is a kind and Gillette in

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coming out of the Labour Party. them to a politician's career. When

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they are under attack for a long time, the media get bored after

:10:47.:10:51.

they are under attack for a long while and switch the story. It

:10:51.:10:55.

happened to Osborne, who had a horrific 2012 and has recovered

:10:55.:10:59.

bad press as he is getting at the moment, because people find it

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tedious. Syria has been the big foreign-policy event this summer. It

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has remarkably led to a Soviet- American initiative to get Syria to

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give up its chemical weapons. The world will now expect the Assad

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regime to live up to its public commitments. As I said at the outset

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anything less than full compliance. John Kerry. Is this too good to

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anything less than full compliance. true? Even superficially, it is

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anything less than full compliance. very good. The only people who

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emerge with any sense of triumph are the Russians, who have had their

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emerge with any sense of triumph are biggest diplomatic coup. They are

:11:52.:11:56.

back on the stage again. B if you want to know why Putin even has

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back on the stage again. B if you because of moments like this. They

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were humiliated after the end of the Cold War, and a Nou Camp is a great

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power again. Then you have the Obama situation, because he has ended

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power again. Then you have the Obama where he wanted to end up. He has

:12:13.:12:16.

power again. Then you have the Obama concession from Syria, but the way

:12:16.:12:16.

he got there was so embarrassing. It concession from Syria, but the way

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made him look weak and erratic as a leader. There were contradictions

:12:20.:12:24.

between himself and his Secretary of State last week, and it has not

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between himself and his Secretary of him any good. I was in the States,

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and it was open season on him. I have never understood the idea of

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chemical weapons as a red line when you can massacre people in their

:12:41.:12:45.

thousands through other means. But chemical weapons are beyond the

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pale. The rebels are miserable. chemical weapons are beyond the

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have run out of time. I will have to ask you what you think about Syria

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next week, which gives you time ask you what you think about Syria

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prepare. Your book on Fred the shred is going well? It is.I am back

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tomorrow at noon with the Daily Politics at noon on BBC Two, where

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we will have more from the Liberal Democrat conference in Glasgow.

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we will have more from the Liberal is the start of our Daily Politics

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conference coverage. Next week, is the start of our Daily Politics

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will be back here at our normal is the start of our Daily Politics

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of 11am, when we will be joined is the start of our Daily Politics

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Grant Shapps. Remember, if it is Sunday, it is the Sunday Politics.

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