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It's Sunday afternoon - this is the Sunday Politics.


Jeremy Corbyn wants to give everyone in Britain four


extra bank holidays - but is the Labour leader up


to being Prime Minister if he wins the election in just


Theresa May says she wants a stronger hand to deliver Brexit -


how will the Conservatives go about getting the bigger


I'll be asking Party Chairman, Patrick McLoughlin.


And I've been in Paris where voters are going to the polls in first


round of the French Presidential election - what could be the impact


on the EU and Brexit of this most unpredictable of contests?


Here: What does Theresa May's snap election mean for


We'll take a look at what's at stake for the political parties


across the region as voters weigh up their options.


Or feel they may not like it but the Tories


And with me has always ready for the marathon task of covering a snap


general election, even working on bank holidays, the best and


brightest political panel in the business. David Wooding, Polly


Toynbee and Toby Young. So Labour's big announcement this


morning was a crowd pleaser. Four more rainy bank


holidays to enjoy - one for each of the patron saints


of England, Scotland, But Mr Corbyn probably won't be


getting the time off work if he wins And on The Andrew Marr Show this


morning he was asked what he would do as Prime Minister


if the security services asked him to authorise a drone strike


on the leader of Islamic State. What I'd tell them is,


give me the information you've got, tell me how accurate that is,


tell me what you I'm asking you about decisions you


would take as Prime Minister. Can I take you back


to the whole point? Is the objective


to start more strikes that may kill many innocent


people, as has happened? Do you think killing


the leader of Isis would be I think the leader of Isis not


being around would be helpful, and I'm no supporter or defender


in any way of Isis. But I would also argue that


the bombing campaign has killed a of whom were virtually prisoners of


Isis. So you've got to think


about these things. Mr Corbyn earlier. David, is his


reply refreshing damaging? It is damaging. He has clearly been


freaked to the fire already in the first week, there will be lots of


questions on his suitability as a leader and the damage it could cause


to our national security over the weeks ahead and Andrew Marr has cut


straight to the chase here. The other thing, of course, is the


letters of last resort, one of the first duties of a Prime Minister


when he walks into No 10 is to sign these letters on his own, on or --


or on her own in a room, a very lonely moment, to decide whether he


should press the nuclear button and that goes in the Vanguard submarines


and is opened in the event of a strike and he has dodged a question


so many times. One must wonder what he would do that. He has to make


these decisions as Prime Minister. On the Isis point, refreshing or


damaging? It sure is his base, the people who support him, that's the


sort of thing they support info and maybe his tactic is that's all he's


going to get, that is what the polls seem to suggest, in which case they


will be pleased, and say yes, the man is a man for these who doesn't


press buttons and shoot people down. But if you want to win you have to


deal with your own weaknesses and reach out to other people. I think


most people would say that's not somebody who could defend the


country. I wonder if he was being totally honest in saying he would


consider it he would ask for more information. He has previously been


on the record as being against drone strikes in principle, he's


campaigned against them, he wants to abolish drones. I think Andrew Marr


let him off saying it was a drone strike rather than a Navy SEAL or


SAS operation and he had the fact that they could be collateral


damage. We that's not his position because he condemned the


assassination of Osama Bin Laden even though there was no collateral


damage. David is right on the Trident point, he fetched the


question. We heard Niall Griffiths on this very show saying Trident,


the renewal of Trident, would be in the next Labour Party manifesto. It


turns out now we don't know and when he was asked he said that remains to


be seen, his re-opened a can of worms. What he has said about


Trident which was extraordinary was, we will rebuild the submarines but


not have any nukes on them which is expensive and useless. And of course


the Labour Party were forced soon after that interview to put out a


statement saying it is Labour Party policy to renew Trident. So where


are we? Do we know what the party's policy is? It is to renew Trident


but he has started this review which involves looking at it all again. We


know he is a unilateralist to start with but whether he can force this


through is dubious. Does it matter, though, if the party policy is in


favour of Trident, if the leader is not? The potential Prime Minister is


not? They split three ways when they went to vote on it in the Commons.


The party agreed they were pro-Trident and when it came to the


vote they split three ways. I think it's difficult for them, it's always


been a really difficult issue for Labour. The question is whether you


want to seal off your negatives, whether you really want to try and


reach out to people. There are an awful lot of people who will like


what he said, there are an awful lot of people that think we have been


involved in terrible wars, we have wasted a lot of money and blood and


let's just get back from the whole thing, let's retreat from the world


and not try punching above our weight. There is something to be


said for that and it is a reasonable argument. He's been true to himself


on this. I think he is and Polly is right, lots of people will agree


with him, not enough to win a general election, the latest ComRes


poll shows Tories on 50% and Labour on 25 and as my colleague James


Forsyth in the Spectator said if this was a boxing match it would


have been stopped by now by the revelry. We are not stopping, we are


going on. So the political parties have had


to move into election mode Stand by for battle buses,


mail shots and your social media timeline being bombarded


by political propoganda. But none of this comes cheap -


Adam's been doing his sums. Democracy is priceless but those


planes, trains and automobiles used in the last election cost money


and we know exactly how much, thanks to the Electoral


Commission database. The Conservatives flew David Cameron


to every part of the UK in one day on a private plane costing ?29,000,


in-flight meals extra. They shelled out ?1.2 million


for adverts on Facebook. The most expensive item was their


election guru Lynton Crosby. They bought ?2.4 million worth


of advice and research from his firm Labour's biggest expenditure


was on good old-fashioned leaflets, costing ?7.4 million


to print and deliver. Hope they didn't go straight


into the recycling. Cheap for all the


enjoyment it gave us. To turn a normal minibus


into Harriet Harman's pink bus Nick Clegg toured the country doing


all manner of stunts transported although the party got a grand's


discount when it broke down. Ukip's then leader Nigel Farage


was accompanied by bodyguards Nicola Sturgeon's chopper


cost the SNP ?35,450. Plaid Cymru spent just over


?1,000 on media training And the Greens spent ?6,912


promoting their tweets. It adds up to a grand total


for all the parties of ?37,560,039. Jabbing at my calculator that works


out at less than ?1 per voter. Adam Fleming there -


and joining me now is the man responsible for the Conservative


election campaigns - for the locals next month


and the general election in June - Welcome to the programme. The Crown


Prosecution Service is reviewing evidence from 14 police forces that


your party breached election spending rules on multiple occasions


in the last election. What are you going to do differently this time?


Well, the battle buses are part of the National campaign spend. You saw


them just on the shot that you did, all three parties had those battle


buses so that's why we believe they were part of the national spend and


it was declared that way. At least 30 people in your party, MPs and


agents, being investigated because they may not have been right to


include it in the national spend. Are you saying you are going to do


nothing differently this time? You asked me about last time and the way


the position is... Was. I asked you about this time. We will take a


careful count and make sure that everything that we do is within the


law. But as I say, the last election, all three parties had


battle buses. It is your party that above all has been investigated by


14 police forces. You must surely be taking stock of that and working out


how to do some things differently. You are being investigated because


you put stuff on the National Ledger which should have been on the local


constituency ledger. Are you looking at that again? All of the parties


had battle buses and they all put them on their national spend. I


don't think any of the parties put them on the local spend. The other


battle buses were not full of their party activists. Your party stuffed


these battle buses with activists and took them to constituencies.


That's the difference. And I ask again, what is different this time?


Are you going to run the risk of being investigated yet again? We


believe that we fully compliant with the electoral law as it was. What


will happen if one of these, or two or three or four or five of these 30


people, Tory MPs, or agents running campaigns are charged during the


campaign? As I say I believe we properly declared our election


expenses. What happens if they are charged? You asking me a


hypothetical question, the importance of this election is about


who is in Downing Street in seven weeks' time. Let me clarify this,


you maintain that in 2015 you did nothing wrong with how you allocated


the cost and the activities of the battle buses and you would do


exactly the same this time round? What we did at the last election we


believe fully complied with the law. So the battle buses this time,


stocked full of activists, will still be charged to the national


campaign even when they go to local constituencies? Will they? We will


be looking at the way we do it, there is new guidance from the


Electoral Commission out and we will look at that guidance. It is not the


guidance, it is the lawful stop the Electoral Commission said that, if


you look at the report they did on us, they said there was one area


where we had over claimed, over declared, and another area we had


and declared. We haven't worked out what to do


yet, have you? We will get on with the campaign and


start the campaign and I'm looking forward to the campaign.


I'm trying to work out of the campaign is going to be legal or not


because last time it seems it could have been illegal.


I am sure the campaign will be legal.


You started the campaign warning about the prospect of, the coalition


of chaos. Mr Corbyn has ruled out a post-election coalition with the SNP


and so have the Lib Dems so who is going to be in this coalition?


Vince Cable said he was looking towards a possible coalition trying


to stop a Conservative government. Is not the leader of the Lib Dems.


He's an important voice in the Lib Dems. Who will be in it? Let's see


because of the Conservative Party is not re-elected with a strong


majority, what will happen? There will be a coalition stopping us


doing the things we need to do. Who will be in it? It will be a


coalition of the Labour Party, the SNP and the Liberal party. They have


ruled it out. I think they would not rule it out if that was the


situation. Like Theresa May not ruling out an election and then


changing her mind? The things the Prime Minister said were very clear,


once she had served Article 50 there was an opportunity, as we know


today, there is going to be the start of a new government formed in


France and in September we have the German elections. So it was quite


right that we didn't get ourselves boxed into a timetable. That is why


the Prime Minister took the view that they should be a general


election to give her full strength of an electoral mandate when it


comes to those negotiations. What about Mr Corbyn's plan for four new


bank holidays, good idea? I'm not... If we get Corbyn in No 10 Downing St


we will have a permanent bank holiday of the United Kingdom. We


will have fewer bank holidays of most other major nations, most about


major wealthy nations. What about at least one more? Well, look, he's


talked about four bank holidays. Today would be a bank holiday and


next Monday would be a bank holiday and the other week was a bank


holiday too. I don't think it's very well thought out. It sounded more to


me something like you get in school mock elections rather than proper


elections. Your party is the self-styled party of the workers and


you have no plans to give the workers even one extra bank holiday?


What we want to do is ensure Britain is a strong economy and building on


the jobs that we have created since 2010. We were told that by reducing


public expenditure unemployment in this country would go up,


unemployment has gone down and the number of jobs have gone up


substantially. But no more bank holidays? Well, we will make our


manifesto in due course but I don't think four bank holidays held in


April, March and November are very attractive to people. When Ed


Miliband as leader of the Labour Party suggested the government


should control energy prices by capping them, the Conservatives


described that as almost Communist and central planning. Do still take


that view? You'll see what we have to say on energy prices. I didn't


you about that, I asked you if you take the view... The Prime Minister


made a speech at the Conservative Spring conference in which she


outlined her dissatisfaction about people who are kept locked on a


standard tariff and those are the issues we will address in the next


few weeks when the manifesto was published.


Would that be an act of communism? You will need to see what we say


when we set out the policies. It could be. You could put a Communist


act into your manifesto? I don't think you'll find a Communist


manifesto in a Conservative manifesto which will be launched...


You are planning to control prices? We will address what we think is


unfairness in the energy market. Mr Jeremy Corbyn was reluctant this


morning to sanction a drone strike. You heard us talking about it


earlier against the leader of Islamic State if our intelligence


services identified him. What would it achieve? When the Prime Minister


gets certain advice in the national interests, she has to act been that.


We've seen with Theresa May in her time as Home Secretary and Prime


Minister, she's not afraid to take those very difficult decisions. What


we say this morning from Jeremy Corbyn was a his tans, a reluctance.


I don't think that serves the country well. What would it achieve


if we take out the head of Islamic State he's replaced by somebody


else. It brings their organisation into difficulties. It undermines


their organisation. It shows we'll take every measure to undo an


organisation which has organised terrorism in different parts of


Europe, the UK. I think it is absolutely right the Prime Minister


is prepared to take those kind of measures. Jeremy Corbyn said he


wasn't prepared to take that. Because he wasn't sure what it would


achieve. The Obama administration launched hundreds of drone strikes


in various war zones and we in the west are still under attack on a


regular basis. Mr Corbyn's basis was what would it achieve? It would


achieve a safer position for the UK overall. The war on terrorists. But


the Westminster attack, Paris has just been attacked again? There's


been attacks which have been stopped by the intelligence services. We


must do all we can to support them. The question was about drone


strikes. Whether it is drone strikes or other action, we have to be


prepared to act. Let's move on to Brexit. It is the major reason the


Prime Minister's called the election? Not the only within but


the main reason? It is one of the reasons. Now we start the two-year


negotiations and then a year afterwards. Also the way in which


certain people said they would try to use in the House of Lords or


House of Commons to prevent us making progress. I think you'll put


in your manifesto, it is the Government's policy, the Brexit


negotiating position will be no more freedom of movement. Leave the


single market and no longer under the jurisdiction Europe. You expect


every Tory MP to fight on that manifesto. What will you do with Ken


Clarke and Anna? They will have fought on their manifesto. They will


understand the Prime Minister has the authority of the ballot box


behind them. Will they fight the election on these positions? I'm


sure they'll fight the election supporting the election of a


Conservative Government and it's manifesto will quite clearly set


out... You know they're against these positions. Ken Clarke has a


prod tradition of expressing a certain view. Overall, the party's


manifesto, it is not just individuals like Ken Clarke, it is


what happens as far as the House of Lords are concerned, people said


they'd use the House of Lords to prevent certain measures. You're the


party chairman, will it be possible for people like Ken Clarke to fight


this election under the Conservative ticket without sub describing to all


-- subscribing to all of these Brexit conditions? Ken Clarke will


fight as Conservative candidates. That wasn't my question. I know


that. Will they be allowed to fight it on their own ticket and not


subscribe to what is in your manifesto? The manifesto will be


what the Conservative Party fights the General Election on. There will


always be cases where people have had different views on different


parts of the manifesto. That will be the guiding principles for the


party. Philip Hammond says your election promises in 2015, in your


manifesto not to raise taxes tied his hands when it came to managing


the economy. Do you agree with him? No. The simple fact is we have to do


the best things for the economy. We'll set out in our manifesto in a


few weeks' time, what the policies will be for the next Parliament. Can


I clarify, you don't agree with your Chancellor? What Philip was saying


was some of the areas we wants to address as Chancellor, what the


party will do, it will set out all the issues we're fighting on. It


will set out clearly the choice we have in this country. That's the


important thing. Let me put the question to you again. Philip


Hammond said this week your election promise in 2015 not to raise taxes


had tied his hands when it came to managing the economy. I ask you, do


you agree with him? You said no. Philip expressed his view as to what


he would like. What I'm saying is in a few weeks' time we'll set the


manifesto which will set the policies, agreed with the the


Cabinet. He's Chancellor. Doesn't he determine what the economic part of


the manifesto is? We'll talk about that in due course. Will you have a


lock on the taxes that you locked in 2015 on income tax, VAT, national


insurance? That will be decided. You'll see that when we publish the


manifesto in a few weeks' time. Will you rule out the possibility taxes


may have to rise under a future Conservative Party? Conservative


Government. We've taken four million people out of tax. Now, on average,


people are paying ?1200 less tax than they were on the same salaries


in 2010. I'm very provide of that. I can assure you, the Conservative


Party will want to see taxes reduced. It is the Labour Party


which will put up taxes. We have the evidence where this he did so.


Council tax went up by over 100%. You haven't reduced the tax burden


as a percentage of the GDP is now going to reach its highest level


since the mid-180s which was when Conservatives were in power. The tax


burden in this country under your Government is rising? We've more


people paying taxes which is something, because we've a growing


economy and more people... What about the tax band? You said you


reduced the tax burden on your own Government's figures is rising? We


have reduced the tax burden. The threshold at which people start


paying. These are tax rates not the tax burden. It is rising. The tax


rates have been reduced. You said tax burden. Perhaps I misspoke. Tax


rates have been reduced. We'll leave it there. No doubt we'll speak again


between now and June Is France now about to make it


a hat-trick of shocks The prospect terrifies


the governing elite in Paris. But they're no less scared


in Brussels and Berlin, given what it could mean


for the whole EU project, never mind the huge potential impact


on our own Brexit negotiations. 11 candidates are contesting


the first round of the presidential Only the top two will go forward


to the run-off on May 7th. For the first time since General De


Gaulle created the fifth Republic in 1958, it's perfectly possible that


no candidate from the ruling parties of the centre-left or the


centre-right will even make it The election has been dominated by


the hard right in the shape of the who's never been elected


to anything and only started his own party


a few months ago. And the far left in the form


of Jean-Luc Melenchon, a former Trotskyite who has surged


in the final weeks of the campaign. The only candidate left from the


traditional governing parties is the centre-right's


Francois Fillon and he's been struggling to stay in


the race ever since it was revealed that his Welsh wife was being paid


at generous public expense for a job I've just come across


this magazine cover and it kind of sums up the mood


of the French people. It's got the five main candidates


for President here but it calls them the biggest liar, the biggest cheat,


the biggest traitor, the most paranoid, the biggest demagogue,


and it says they are the winners The four leading candidates,


Le Pen, Melenchon, Macron and Fillon, or in with a chance


of making it to the second round. Only a couple of points separates


them in the polls, Frankly, no one has a clue what's


going to happen. Of the four, there is a feeling that


two of them may be President But the two of them may not find


themselves in the second round. Somebody said to me that the man or


woman on the Paris Metro has as much a chance of knowing


who will win as the greatest experts Because the more expert you are


the more you may be wrong. The country has largely


stagnated for over a decade. One in ten are unemployed,


one in four if you are unlucky Like Britain in the '70s there is


the pervasive stench There are three keywords that come


to mind. Anger, anger at the elite, and in


particular the political elite. And an element of


nostalgia for the past. These three words were decisive


in the Brexit referendum. They are decisive in


the French election. Identity and security has been


as important in this election France is a proud nation, it worries


about its future in Europe It seems bereft of ideas about how


to deal with its largely Muslim migrant population, huge chunks of


which are increasingly divorced It is quite simply exhausted by


the never-ending Islamist terrorist attacks, the latest only days before


voting in the iconic heart of this If Fillon or Macron emerge


victorious then there will be continuity of sorts, though Fillon


will struggle to implement his Thatcherite agenda and Macron will


not be able to count on the support of the French parliament, the


National Assembly, for his reforms. But if it's Le Pen or Jean-Luc


Melenchon then all bets are off. Both are hardline French


nationalists, anti the euro, anti the European Union, anti-fiscal


discipline, anti the market, Either in the Elysee Palace


would represent an existential Brexit would simply become


a sideshow, the negotiations could just peter out as Brussels


and Berlin had bigger fish to fry. We're joined now from


Paris by the journalist 8th Welcome to the programme.


Overshadowing the voting today was yet another appalling terrorist


attack in Paris on Thursday night. Do we have any indications of how


that's playing into the election? That initially people thought this


has been almost foiled in that the police were there as a ramp up. One


policeman was killed. But the terrorist did not spray the crowd


with bullets. It was seen as not having much of an effect on the


election. This has changed. We now know the policeman who was killed, a


young man about to the promoted, he was at the Bataclan the night of the


terror attack. He was a fighter for LGBT rights. The fact he was


promoted, happy within his job, he has this fresh face. Sudden, he's


one of us. It took perhaps 48 hours for the French to process this. But


now they're angry and this may actually change the game, at least


at the margins. To whose advantage? I would say the two who might


benefit from this are Marine Le Pen, she's been absolutely


anti-immigration, anti-anything. And made no bones about it as she


immediately made rather strange announcement in which she'd said if


she'd been president none of the terror attacks which happened in


France would have happened. Francois Fillon has written a book two years


ago called Combating Islamic Terrorism he's has an organised plan


in his manifesto. Unlike Emmanuel Macron who stumbled when he was


asked the evening this happened what he thought, he said, I can't dream


up an anti-terror programme overnight. The question, of course,


that arrows was this is not the sort of thing that's just happened


overnight. It's been unfortunately the fate of France for many years.


Let me ask you this finally, what ever the outcome on May 7th in the


second round, who ever wins, would it be fair to say French politics


will never be the same again? Yes. Absolutely it's a very strange


thing. People have no become really excited about this. You cannot go


anywhere without people discussing heatedly this election. The anger


that was described is very accurate. Very true. There was this feeling as


for the Brexit voters and the Trump voters, vast parts of the people


were being talked down to by people who despised them. This has to


change. If it doesn't change, we cannot predict what the future will


be. We'll know the results or at least the ex-the Poll London time


tonight at 8.00pm. Thank for joining us from the glorious heart of your


city. Now, the Green Party currently has


one MP and they'll be contesting many more seats in June


as well as hoping to increase their presence on councils in


the local elections on 4th May. Launching their campaign


on Thursday, co-leader Caroline Lucas made


a pitch to younger voters. When it comes to young


people they've been But one crucial way they've been


betrayed is by what this generation and this government and the previous


ones have been doing when it comes We know we had the hottest year


on record last year, you know, you almost think what else does


the environment need to be doing All the signs are there


and it is young people who are going to be bearing


the brunt of a wrecked environment and that's why it's so important


that when we come to making that pitch to, yes, the country at large


but to young people in particular, I think climate change,


the environment, looking after our precious resources,


has to be up there. And I'm joined now by the Green


MEP, Molly Scott Cato. Welcome back to the programme.


Promised to scrap university tuition fees, increase NHS funding, rollback


cuts to local councils spending, how much would that cost and how would


you pay for it? Like the other parties we haven't got a costed


manifesto yet, it's only a few days since the election was announced so


I will come back and explain the figures. You don't know? Like every


party we have not produced accosted manifesto yet, we produced one last


time but public spending figures have changed so we're not in a


position to do that but we will be in a week or so. What taxes would


you like to consider raising? We would consider having higher taxes


for the better off in society. I think we need to increase the amount


of tax wealthier people pay. How do you define better off? I'm not


entirely clear what the precise number would be but I think 100,000


people would pay a bit more, 150,000 quite considerably more but the real


focus needs to be on companies avoiding paying taxes. I work on


that a lot in my role in the European Parliament, we see an


enormous amount of tax avoidance by companies moving profits from


country to country and we need European corporation to make that


successful. It has not made much difference yet. We have made lots of


changes. Google turned over $1 billion and only paid 25 million in


taxes last year. There was a significant fine introduced by the


competition commission on Apple and in the case of Google we must change


the laws so that people cannot move profits from country to country.


Everybody wants to do it. But you couldn't face a big spending


programme on the ability to do that. You'd have to increase other taxes.


If you look at the cost of free student tuition, tuition fees and


also maintenance grants to students, that would come in at about 10


billion a year. One way of paying for that would be to remove the


upper threshold on National Insurance, bringing in 20 billion a


year, that's the order of magnitude we are talking about. It is not


vast, and some of the proposals we have... That would be an increase on


the better of tax? National Insurance on people earning...


People earning above 42,000. You would have another 10% tax above


42,000? I can't remember exactly how much the National Insurance rate


changes by. But in government figures it would be 28 billion


raised. I think it is up to 45, a bit more you pay a marginal rate of


40%, you would have them pay a marginal rate of over 50%? We would


put the National Insurance rate on higher incomes the same as it is on


lower incomes. If you are a school head of an English department on 50,


60,000 a year you would face a marginal rate under U of over 50%?


It is not useful to do this as a mental maths exercise but if you


look at other proposals would could have a landlord licensing system,


longer term leases on properties, so young people particularly, but also


older people who rent, could have more security which needn't cost


anything. We could insist on landlords paying for that. The


mental arithmetic seems clear but we will come back to that. How is the


Progressive Alliance coming? It is going well, I have heard of a lot of


interest at local level. Winterset this in contest, context, lots of


progressives are concerned about the crisis in public services, prisons,


social care system, and also about the Tories' hard extreme Brexit they


are threatening. You want the left to come together? Theresa May has


given us opportunity, she has taken a risk because she has problems with


backbenchers, she doesn't think she can get through Brexit with a small


majority so there is an opportunity and we are saying progressives must


come together to corporate, Conservatives are effective at using


the first-past-the-post system and we have to become effective as well.


Do you accept this Progressive Alliance cannot become the


government and Mr Corbyn is the Prime Minister? How could it happen


otherwise? I think that is a secondary question. For me the


primary question is who do people choose to vote for? Aluminium


government afterwards comes after the election. In most countries that


is the case. I understand that but we have the system we have and you


accept this Progressive Alliance cannot be in power and thus mystical


Burmese Prime Minister? Personally I think Mr Corbyn is less of a threat


to the country than Theresa May, she has shown herself to be an


authoritarian leader and she has said she doesn't want to have


dissidents, which I would say is reasonable opposition, and what we


are suggesting at the moment is there is a way of avoiding that very


hard Brexit and damage to public services. You'd be happy to pay the


price of having Mr Corbyn as Prime Minister? I do not see that as a


price. People have the choice of Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May as


Prime Minister, that's the system that works. You would prefer Mr


Corbyn? I would but votes are translated into seats and the


Progressive Alliance is a step towards that.


It's just gone 3:50pm, you're watching the Sunday Politics.


We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, Wales


and Northern Ireland who leave us now.


Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead.


Hello, and a warm welcome to your local part of the show.


This week, what else but the general election?


Theresa May's decision to call a snap poll has left many voters,


We'll all have to endure more electioneering,


But could this poll change the political landscape


And, as if one big election wasn't enough, we'll also take a look


at whether local elections in our region on May 4th will give


And with me in a crowded studio to discuss all that


are Anne-Marie Trevelyan, the Conservative MP for Berwick,


Workington Labour MP Sue Hayman, Jonathan Arnott, UKIP's North East


MEP, and, yes you can yell house now, we also have Sunderland Lib Dem


Well, at the start of this week we were wondering what we might talk


Now, of course, we're having to pack it all in.


So on June 8th, or just after, we'll have a clearer picture of how


the political geography of our region has been affected


Sue Hayman, as Theresa May made her announcement, what was your feeling?


I said that I welcomed it because now voters have got an opportunity


to vote for a Labour government that will stand up for ordinary people,


shout out for everybody in this country to have a proper opposition


against a Tory government that really has been failing working


people. Do you think all the parties are as enthusiastic as you say you


are? We get into elections to fight them to wind and that is what we


will do. Anne-Marie Trevelyan, any vertical party would be tempted, it


would be pointers to say you wouldn't be, but let's not pretend


this is about the national interest. This is about the Conservatives


sensing Labour blood. The Prime Minister has been clear that there


is a political dimensional, and despite the fixed in Parliament act,


it shows Labour have come forward so that when there is a need to get the


clarity from the electorate, and that is what the Prime Minister


wants. She also wants a huge Conservative majority. If that is


what the electorate choose to give her so she can move forward with


Brexit with real clarity and that support the height, that would be


fantastic. Niall Hodson, even how about 2015 was for you in this


region, I assume you want a chance to bounce back from what was a near


death experience. We are straight out of the blocks, we have all our


candidates in place, we are raring to go and we have been out on the


campaign trail this weekend. It is all systems go. Do you sense you


have been forgiven for being in coalition with the Conservatives?


Time has moved on so quickly since then, so much has happened, it is


almost in relevant. There are completely different issues on the


table. It is looking at a situation now where the noble Democrats could


take a great deal of seats from the Tories and we are only party in a


position to do so. Jonathan after it -- Jonathan Arnott, the Conservative


government is delivering potentially the kind of Brexit that your voters


would want. It could not have come at a worse time for the party, could


it? I am a Democrat, I believe in elections. I want the people to have


as much of a say as possible. Of course there are questions of trust.


When a Prime Minister tells you time and time again they will not be a


snap election and then calls one, that is the kind of politics that


people don't want. But I think when you look at the areas in which Ukip


are doing well in, Ukip are on the up, and I think they are still on


the up in those areas. You know, I think if you believe in democracy,


then actually having an election is never going to be a bad thing. Apart


from that point I made, Theresa May saying there was not going to be won


and then doing it, that does not go down well. We will see.


Just after Jimmy Yates will have a clear idea of how our medical


geography has been affected in our region. The election could be a


bruising one for Labour. So could some Labour seats fall


to the Conservatives? And will UKIP break


through or break apart? Luke Walton has been


to a key battleground in Teesside where Labour faces


a particularly fierce contest. Market day in Guisborough,


the town has been trading for centuries and is also a place


where political control has been It is part of a constituency


that has been labour for the past 20 years,


but being conservative before them. And there's mixed opinions


about going to the ballot box again. You get sick of them


because they promise you the earth I don't welcome it,


but I think it will be a good Why, because it will


decide some things? I think it will, people get sick


of all the elections and everything but at the end of the day,


if it brings the country together, The Conservative lead in the polls


means Labour have faces a hard sell in this campaign,


and in this constituency, it will have to do it


without the sitting MP Tom He announced this week


he is standing down, due to what he says are irreconcilable


differences with Jeremy Corbyn. And he is not the only one


with doubts about the Labour leader. You have only got to look at


Tom Blenkinsop who is not standing. Marjorie has been a Labour voter


for more than 50 years. Like I say, we have been Labour


all our lives, but Jeremy Corbyn, when I watch on television,


he irritates me. But for businessman Abdul,


the Labour leader's anti-establishment style


is a positive. I personally think he is a breath


of fresh air for politics. He is honest, straightforward,


a regular guy. The other establishment,


it is all a bit too complex and too Pitching the right product,


whether yellow, red or blue is important for political parties


as it is for market traders. For Theresa May, the promise


is strong Brexit. For some of her opponents,


a break with austerity. So what is the issue that will seal


the deal with voters? The EU is the most important


at the present moment. A strong government is going to get


the country the best deal possible. Working people get tax


taken off them a lot I think the whole


situation is wrong. So you think working


people need a better The marginals being defended


by Labour include Hartlepool, With Workington also


potentially vulnerable. Battleground seats being defended


by the Conservatives include Copeland, Carlisle


and Stockton South. In a region long a Labour


stronghold, it is the party The Labour Party is still


across the region in a strong position in most seats and is likely


to win most seats, but they are being more strongly


challenged in more places than they have been


in living memory. but elsewhere it is the colours


in Middlesbrough South, but elsewhere it is a different


party colours of Ukip and the Lib Dems which are adding


to an unpredictable Less than seven weeks before


voters take their pick. The Conservatives took your


neighbouring constituency of Copland. This election is going to


be about limiting losses rather than about really trying to get into


government, isn't it? The only poll that matter is what it will happen


on May the 4th in the local elections and in the General


Election on June the 8th. Theresa May once this election to be just


about Brexit, but it won't be. To me that is a smoke screen because they


are trying to hide the huge cuts that have been made to public


services which affect the most vulnerable people in society the


most. There is so much more to this collection that people will be


looking at. The pulse can be wrong, but you are 20 points behind in the


polls which would suggest some of these seeds you could almost write


off. Your seat would go Conservative, are you worried about


it? Well, polling does not necessarily mean what a result is


going to be. I am going to fight hard for my seat, I have worked hard


since I was elected two years ago. You should not be in that position


where you should have two defend your seat, you should be trying to


win Stockton South, Carlisle, but the reality is you will be defending


your seat in Cumbria are not looking to win any others. This election is


about choice. For a Labour government it will stand up for


working people, and a Tory government that has failed. Well you


will not address directly the point. Anne-Marie Trevelyan, you one last


time with a good majority, but the Lib Dems may be thinking you can


harness all the remaining voters in your constituency. I got in in 2015


and have worked hard, I have secured funding to bring new investment into


Eric and another of practical investment issues, so I hope the


local electorate will give me the chance to continue working hard.


Tony Blair today said he believes anyone who voted to remain should


look at me at who is standing and not vote on an MP who will vote on


the Brexit deal and just wave it through. That is you, isn't it? Tony


Blair is entitled to encourage... But you are not going to question


the Brexit deal, are you? I believe that we should be leaving the EU,


which we will now do. I believe we need to take back our own laws,


leave the single market, so we are no longer under the jurisdiction of


the European Court of Justice. Brexit to me means having control of


our laws and our borders. That is what the Prime Minister is heading


towards. Jonathan Arnott, if you are honest, one seat is going to


interest you, which is Hartlepool. The rest of them, you might as well


forget. I think we will do well in Hartlepool, of course, but remember


that in 11 of the constituencies across the region Ukip other party


in second place. It does beg the question, if Labour have a huge


meltdown, then we could be the beneficiaries. It would be foolhardy


to put all our eggs in one basket. Was 2015 the high watermark? I don't


dispute Hartlepool is a target for you, but the rest of them, you will


just make waves. In 11 of those we are the party in second place, and


that does make a big difference. Our number one target in this region is


going to be the seat that we can win. We don't know who the candidate


is going to be yet, there will be a hustings on Wednesday night. I may


or may not be there. I am not committing to anything live on-air.


We have got some great people. Niall Hodson, the problem is, your party


is fighting a battle here because six out of ten voters in the


north-east backed Brexit in the referendum, and you are going to be


the party saying you will stop it. Which means four out of ten didn't.


Sue is right to say this is not just about back said. We are potentially


giving the reins to an extremely right-wing Tory government and


giving them free rein if they get such a large majority to do whatever


they like. That comes down to affecting our welfare state, the


NHS, local councils. It is a serious matter beyond Brexit. I think it


suits Theresa May to have this as a Brexit election. But the danger is


that you harvest some of the Remain voters, hand the victory to a


pro-Brexit Conservative. If you want to stop exit in this region, you


vote Labour. That is rubbish. You need to vote Liberal Democrat. We


heard earlier this week, an MP saying this is an election Labour


can't win. The Liberal Democrats do expect to win seat and we need them


in order to percent opposition to in order to percent opposition to


the Tories. Helen Goodman said this election is not going to be about


who is Prime Minister or who is in government. It strikes me as


something a lot of Labour MPs might do, to say this is a personal vote


for me, your neighbour John Woodcock has already said he will not support


Jeremy Corbyn. That is a bizarre message to go into this election


with, isn't it? I am going into this election to win my seat again, and


government because that is what we government because that is what we


get into elections to do. We do welcome Jeremy Corbyn with open arms


to your constituency? I will have to wait and see if he wants to come all


this way up to the west Cumbria. I am happy to welcome anyone who wants


to support me in this election. Will you put on your leaflet that you


would like him to be the next by Minister? We are looking at what our


leaflets will say at the moment, I can't say what will be on our


leaflet and what won't be. There was a dispute about whether he is a


liability on the doorstep, so was he a liability in a constituency like


West Cumbria where the nuclear industry is so important? Jeremy


Corbyn came up to Copeland, as did many other frontbenchers and what


are we hard. It was a disappointing result, I cannot deny that.


Anne-Marie Trevelyan, if Labour does manage to shift the election agenda


away from Brexit, let's talk about the state of the health service,


school funding, the fact that we might create jobs but pay has gone


down, there could be more difficulties for your party. What


worries me most is about issues regarding the defence of the nation


and the fact that Jeremy Corbyn still can't decide how he would look


after and use our Armed Forces. That sort of chaotic leadership is


terrifying, and therefore there is... What about the NHS? We have a


lot more nurses in the NHS than we had two years ago. We are moving in


the right direction. We are getting older, complex medical needs will


grow and we will need to increase the number of medical students


coming into the system, but we are continually growing that bill. These


are issues we must continue to talk about.


Well, amidst all the excitement about the general election,


it's easy to forget that there are also important local polls


But frankly we aren't going to let you forget.


But given this week's events, will they just be a barometer of how


the General Election might go or will local issues be to the fore.


Here's David Macmillan with a round-up of what's happening


where, and what's at stake via the medium of ice cream.


The red one, the blue one, the purple, orange or green one.


It is a choice we will be making over the next two months.


The local elections are always seen as an indicator of how the parties


are doing nationally, but it is rare to have it in such


sharp focus as it will be this year with the General Election


They will tell us whether this northern Labour heartland


is seriously flirting with the Conservatives.


We have flirted with the switch from Labour to something else,


we have elected monkeys, are we going to be prepared to move


Here in County Durham, Labour are defending a big majority.


In North Yorkshire, the Conservatives have


Labour have run a minority administration in Northumberland,


and in Cumbria they have been in coalition with


There are two mayoral elections as well, in Labour


held North Tyneside, and the new Tees Valley Metro Mayor.


So what issues are on people's minds in County Durham as they prepare


There is homelessness that needs tackling.


The facilities are getting closed or undermined.


And the dominant issue in recent years has been austerity.


They are going to be judged on the very, very difficult


decisions they have made about cutting wages


for members of staff, closing very popular services,


libraries, leisure centres, so people are going to be making


that sort of local judgment on how well the councils have responded


There's an array of delicious things to choose from here


Whoever is leading our councils on May 5th will hope they have more


palatable choices to make over the next four years than local


authorities have faced over the last four.


Anne-Marie Trevelyan, these council elections are being fought in the


context of years of budget cuts, everyone accepts that, but


particularly the budget cuts have been worse here, and people will be


entitled to say it is a Conservative government that has ensured that


north-east councils have suffered. We have changed the way funding is


going, so business rates are coming to councils, and councils have been


asked to look at doing a cover services, so Northumberland county


council and so on are doing more at office services using taxpayers


money as efficiently as possible. The last four years have been a tale


of reduced budgets and councils have been forced into difficult


decisions, and they come from cuts that have come from your government.


I am afraid that across-the-board there were needs to make but cross


the board. There is a question of raising business rates, and that is


improving because the system in place is better and encourages the


council to support business. The council is more proactive than


before, the council is supporting the industry because they know they


will seek money coming in. And there is an increase of the social care


budget will stop. This will be another tough election for you, Sue


Hayman potentially, because of those budget funding cuts have come from


above are haps, Labour will get the blame for individual decisions


because the perception is they could have done something different. In


Cumbria, the Labour Party is in coalition with the Lib Dems, and we


have had huge cuts to the local government and spending budgets in


Cumbria. Anne-Marie Trevelyan talked about business rates, and that will


be all we will be relying on seeing because the government is farming


out support to local councils. Funding used to be done by need. You


could apply for what you needed. Did you accept that Labour must take the


blame for some of the decisions that have been taken in cutting services?


The Labour Party and the Lib Dems worked together, they work a budget


that will do the best they can with the existing funds for the local


people of Cumbria. One of the things you have to accept is in a county


like Cumbria, it costs a lot more to deliver services like social care,


and that is not taken account of any more. We will talk to our guest


again in a moment, but I did want to talk to the Green Party who says


they offer a unique toys to voters. We are not left, we are not


right, we are green. We are not tied to


any fixed ideology. Whatever will reduce the impact


of climate change and improve quality of life is what the Greens


go with, and we prefer evidence based tried and tested policies,


instead of knee jerk reactions. Jonathan Arnott, you were meant to


be the main rivals for Labour in this region, but there are dozens of


seats in the selection whether I know Ukip candidates. It is not the


sign of a major party. I could sit here and I could make a lot of


excuses, I could talk about our best ideas not being opened and so one,


or whatever, but you are right, it is not good enough. That is honest,


fair enough. Niall Hodson, even your party is struggling to build up


enough support to field more candidates. Even though you are the


second largest party. Durham is a difficult council. It is tricky and


four us in the north-east, it is a matter of rebuilding, getting back


to where we were pre-2013 particular. But we do have a lot of


candidates up and we do hope to make steady gains across the elections.


As we have been doing over the past couple of years. Jonathan are not,


do you hope you will get seats on the council because there is no


chance of you controlling any of them. Yes, I think we have a number


of seats where we expect to do pretty well. Also, you mentioned


Hartlepool earlier, we have got a by-election coming up that we have


got some incredibly good responses coming back and we hope to do


incredibly well in that. I would say that there are a couple of seats in


the south-east and Northumberland where we think we could win. Thank


you. I'm off to brush up


on my majorities. Something I often do


on a Sunday evening. Next Sunday we'll have a special


debate between the candidates who want to be Tees Valley's


first elected mayor. on issues like the NHS. Run out of


time. Andrew, back to you. Now, Ukip have made their first


significant policy announcement of the election campaign today


with a call for a ban on wearing But is it a policy that will meet


with the approval of the man who bankrolled the party's last


general election campaign? Hello, Andrew. Let me see if I can


clarify some things, are you a member of Ukip? I a patron of Ukip


so I don't stop being a member. So you are still a member? I am,


apparently for life. Are you still hoping to bankroll Ukip? Not at the


moment. Why is that? The internal problems we have had in Ukip have


been aired, and a lot needs to happen in the party in terms of


professionalising it and I think it is ill-prepared for this general


election. Are you going to run in Clacton? I will be if selected. For


Ukip? Yes. Have you been to Clacton? I've been with Nigel Mansell on the


campaign. You will run for a constituency you've only been in


once? Yes, why does that surprise you? You know nothing about it. I've


just recently decided to become the candidate there. Did you know where


it is? Of course I do, your piece the other night was completely


wrong. I said I knew where it was but I didn't know much about it.


Maybe the people of Clacton will regard you as a carpetbagger? Why?


Because you have never been there. Most politicians are carpetbaggers


and I will be there for the right reasons. I thought it was because of


your visceral hatred of Douglas Carswell. He only lasted 24 hours


after I announced my candidacy so we will see what happens. The main


thing I am going to Clacton on Monday to meet the Ukip councillors,


see what the issues are and see if they want me as a candidate. They


may not want me. Who do you think you will be up against? The


potential Conservative candidate. Who in Ukip? I don't suppose anyone


in Ukip will stand against me, I wouldn't have thought. Really? I


would have thought. Money talks! Why do you say that? You talked about


having a pirate radio station to blast into Clacton so it is not


covered by the election rules. You've been talking about financing


a sort of right-wing Momentum movement. I just wonder, has


politics now just become a Richmond's hobby? From my


perspective the reason I'm interested in it is if you have


looked at what has happened in the country, it's clear the


Conservatives will have a massive majority. -- has politics become a


rich man's hobby. Only putting up candidates not against Brexit MPs.


Is Ukip over? I don't think so. The electoral maths is interesting


because first-past-the-post effectively could help Ukip in this


example. Ukip got one MP with 4 million votes. What we are seeing is


the total collapse of Labour. In that situation there are certain


seats up north in Hartlepool and other seats like that, the total


collapse of the Labour Party could help Ukip to win a few seats. Is


Ukip over? It looks that way, yes. They haven't made much of a dent in


Labour's vote in the north, they don't really have a defining issue


anymore and all the polls we have seen published since the election


was called show Ukip vote is going to the Conservatives. Is Ukip over?


It always happens when the Conservative Party goes far to the


right, really hard Brexit, there is no space for BMP, Ukip and all of


that. Are you associating the BNP with Ukip? Or that, movements to the


right of the Conservatives get eaten up one the Conservatives move as far


right as Theresa May has done. I think what your enterprise shows is


how it's really time to reform funding of political parties. It is


disgraceful that very rich people can move in and bankroll the Brexit


campaigned to the extent that they did. We need proper state funding of


parties. The union is bankrolling Labour. I assume the reform would


include trade unions? Indeed. Ukip has lost its talisman in Nigel


Farage, it was a one-man party, I have to say, people like Tim. Having


voted for Brexit its reason to be has gone. It will still take votes


from Labour and the Conservatives but probably only from the don't


knows. There are seats in certain places where if enough Tories back


Ukip dated when. Hartlepool is an example. Were the Tories will never


win. The demise of Ukip has been forecasted many times before but I


don't see a Tory candidate winning in a place like Hartlepool. So we


could see, and I think we will see, the total collapse of the Labour


vote. We shall see. The leader of the party of which you say you are


still a patron, Paul Nuttall, said he would ban the Burcea and the


niqab in public, what is your view? -- the niqab and the Burcea? I'm not


in agreement with that. If it is a security issue at airports or public


transport it could be acceptable but I'm not in favour of curtailing


people's writes. You have gone further than him, haven't you? You


tweeted you wanted to ban Muslim immigration. In my view the problem


we have had with the lack of integration in certain communities


has come about through mass open-door immigration. If you are a


must win you wouldn't be allowed in? What I said in the tweet was I think


they should be a ban on immigration... You said Muslim


immigration. That's what I believe. If you are a world famous doctor


coming to help one of our big teaching hospitals in this country


because you are a Muslim you could not get in? We have to start


somewhere, there are huge problems in areas where 20% of the population


don't speak the language, they haven't integrated. You should read


the rest of the tweet, it is control of immigration from a 10-year ban on


unskilled immigration. The first thing you said was to ban Muslim


immigration, it is in black and white. I have said that, I do not


dispute that. I was questioning that. There is my answer, you cannot


tell somebody's will adjust freedoms but what you can do is stop adding


to the problem. Doesn't that sound a bit like the BNP? It's as like BNP


and like Trump. Its, we hate Muslims, fine, if that is what you


are standing for, that is clear. The final word is we have had open-door


mass immigration from the Conservative Party, we've had it


from the Labour Party and its fine if you are in north London to say


these things, if you live in Oldham and your community has been


radically changed and you have a whole population not integrating in,


not speaking the language, something has got to be done. We had better


leave it there. Thank you for coming in. I am en route to Clacton. We


will see how you get on there. Now, Lib Dem leader Tim Farron


was on TV earlier today and he was asked again


about an issue that he's been asked about repeatedly -


his attitude to homosexuality. when they asked you whether gay sex


was a sin. Come on, Robert, I've been


asked this question loads few days and I have been clear,


even in the House of Commons, It's possible I'm not the only


person getting tired Probably, but then why don't


you just close it down? Toby Young, why does he get into


such a mess over this? I mean, he is leader of the Liberal Democrats. Its


2017. I guess the reason he keeps refusing to answer that question is


because what the implication is that he does think that homosexual acts


are sinful, and he cannot bring himself not to say that, or to say


what Robert Peston and others want him to say because he is an


evangelical Christian who converted at the age of 20, 21, and clearly he


really struggles with this issue and I think it will be really difficult


for the Lib Dems to promote, or even Lib Dem candidates like Vince Cable,


to promote the idea of the Progressive Alliance even though Tim


has ruled it out, if he is not prepared to say I don't think


homosexual acts are sinful. What is your view? It is disastrous if that


is what he really thinks but Preston did not push the hard. I'm not sure


he understood the difference about the question between gay sex and


being gay. I think he just thought he was going on saying I'm not


anti-gay. He needs to command immediately and clarify it. If you


are right and he does actually think it is a sin he is in real trouble.


There is a slight parallel with what police said before about Jeremy


Corbyn, how his unilateral nuclear policy would appeal to the hard core


of the left. The problem for Tim Farron with what he is saying here,


while he is an evangelical Christian, this will not appeal to


traditional Liberal Democrats. An LGBT community member cannot


possibly vote for an MP who believes that a sexual act between


homosexuals is sinful. He has not made that clear. Of course, he wants


to stop Brexit as well so he is neither liberal nor democratic. He


will have seven weeks to make it clear because I am sure he will be


asked again. We have the chairman of the Conservative Party on earlier,


Polly. An important figure for the Tory campaign. What did you make of


what he said? I don't think he will have him on very often, he didn't do


brilliantly. I think they will bring back chemical Ali, Michael Fallon,


he can say anything with a straight face, he can say black is white.


Michael Fallon, chemical Ali? Why do you say that? He can absolutely say


black is white. For instance if you look back at what he said, you


challenged him about the energy policy, when Ed Miliband came out


with it, he said any kind of freeze would stop investment, the lights


will go out. You have him on, he will say the exact opposite. He is


magic at that. But I don't think your guy today was up to the job. If


Michael Fallon was chemical Ali, or we should say chemical Fally,


Patrick was more like comical Ali. The whole Iraq war is rushing back


at me. He is the warm up comedian, there is another six weeks to go,


just getting things started. What did you think? I don't think he was


too bad, it was difficult for him to say exactly what was in the 2050


manifesto is going to be replicated in the Conservatives' manifesto


during this general election, he doesn't want to be seen rowing back


on stuff but on the other hand I don't think he can conceal the fact


they will be far fewer commitments in this Conservative manifesto than


in the last one, as you and I know, it was full of rash promises last


time because they thought they would have to trade a lot of them away in


the negotiations with the Liberal Democrats to form a second coalition


so they are saddled with policies they don't particularly want to be


hemmed in by. The forthcoming Conservative manifesto will be much


lighter and shorter with fewer commitments. Different? Some stuff


jumped from the 2050 manifesto? I think so but we will see a


commitment to run schools to overcome that hurdle in the next


parliament and I don't think, in spite of what you think, Polly, that


it will be a hard tack to the right. I think if anything the mood music


of the Conservative manifesto will be a centrist inclusive one. The


mood music will be because the specifics would be there. She is


good at saying governing for everybody and the many and not the


few but when you look at the hard facts of what her and Hammond's


budget looks like, you look at her hard Brexit, it's a very different


story. Or that, the music has stopped for this week! Thank you. I


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