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It's Sunday morning, and this is the Sunday Politics.


Is the Prime Minister prepared to end Britain's membership


of the EU's single market and its customs union?


We preview Theresa May's big speech, as she seeks to unite the country


Is the press a force for good or a beast that needs taming?


As the Government ponders its decision, we speak to one


of those leading the campaign for greater regulation.


Just what kind of President will Donald Trump be?


Piers Morgan, a man who knows him well, joins us live.


And in the north-west, the NHS crisis here.


Plus, a promise to improve mental health care for the next generation.


And to help me make sense of all that, three of the finest


hacks we could persuade to work on a Sunday - Steve Richards,


They'll be tweeting throughout the programme, and you can join


So, Theresa May is preparing for her big Brexit speech on Tuesday,


in which she will urge people to give up on "insults"


and "division" and unite to build, quote, a "global Britain".


Some of the Sunday papers report that the Prime Minister will go


The Sunday Telegraph splashes with the headline: "May's big


gamble on a clean Brexit", saying the Prime Minister


will announce she's prepared to take Britain out of membership


of the single market and customs union.


The Sunday Times has a similar write-up -


they call it a "clean and hard Brexit".


The Brexit Secretary David Davis has also written a piece in the paper


hinting that a transitional deal could be on the cards.


And the Sunday Express says: "May's Brexit Battle Plan",


explaining that the Prime Minister will get tough with Brussels


and call for an end to free movement.


Well, let's get some more reaction on this.


I'm joined now from Cumbria by the leader


of the Liberal Democrats, Tim Farron.


Mr Farron, welcome back to the programme. The Prime Minister says


most people now just want to get on with it and make a success of it.


But you still want to stop it, don't you? Well, I certainly take the view


that heading for a hard Brexit, essentially that means being outside


the Single Market and the customs union, is not something that was on


the ballot paper last June. For Theresa May to adopt what is


basically the large all Farage vision of Britain's relationship


with Europe is not what was voted for last June. It is right for us to


stand up and say that a hard Brexit is not the democratic choice of the


British people, and that we should be fighting for the people to be the


ones who have the Seat the end of this process, not have it forced


upon them by Theresa May and David Davis. When it comes though dual


position that we should remain in the membership of the Single Market


and the customs union, it looks like you are losing the argument, doesn't


it? My sense is that if you believe in being in the Single Market and


the customs union are good things, I think many people on the leave site


believe that, Stephen Phillips, the Conservative MP until the autumn who


resigned, who voted for Leave but believe we should be in the Single


Market, I think those people believe that it is wrong for us to enter the


negotiations having given up on the most important part of it. If you


really are going to fight Britain's corner, then you should go in there


fighting the membership of the Single Market, not give up and


whitefly, as Theresa May has done before we even start. -- and wave


the white flag. Will you vote against regret Article 50 in the


Commons? We made it clear that we want the British people to have the


final Seat -- vote against triggering. Will you vote against


Article 50. Will you encourage the House of Lords to vote against out


Article 50? I don't think they will get a chance to vote. They will have


a chance to win the deuce amendments. One amendment we will


introduce is that there should be a referendum in the terms of the deal.


It is not right that Parliament on Government, and especially not civil


servants in Brussels and Whitehall, they should stitch-up the final


deal. That would be wrong. It is right that the British people have


the final say. I understand that as your position. You made it clear


Britain to remain a member of the Single Market on the customs union.


You accept, I assume, that that would mean remaining under the


jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice, continuing free movement


of people, and the free-trade deals remained in Brussels' competence. So


it seems to me that if you believe that being in the Single Market is a


good thing, then you should go and argue for that. Whilst I believe


that we're not going to get a better deal than the one we currently have,


nevertheless it is up to the Government to go and argue for the


best deal possible for us outside. You accept your position would mean


that? It would mean certainly being in the Single Market and the customs


union. It's no surprise to you I'm sure that the Lib Dems believe the


package we have got now inside the EU is going to be of the Nutley


better than anything we get from the outside, I accept the direction of


travel -- is going to be the Nutley better. At the moment, what the


Government are doing is assuming that all the things you say Drew,


and there is no way possible for us arguing for a deal that allows in


the Single Market without some of those other things. If they really


believed in the best for Britain, you would go and argue for the best


for Britain. Let's be clear, if we remain under the jurisdiction of the


ECJ, which is the court that governs membership of the Single Market,


continued free movement of people, the Europeans have made clear, is


what goes with the Single Market. And free-trade deals remaining under


Brussels' competence. If we accepted all of that is the price of


membership of the Single Market, in what conceivable way with that


amount to leaving the European Union? Well, for example, I do


believe that being a member of the Single Market is worth fighting for.


I personally believe that freedom of movement is a good thing. British


people benefit from freedom of movement. We will hugely be hit as


individuals and families and businesses. Mike I understand, but


your writing of leaving... There the butt is that if you do except that


freedom of movement has to change, I don't, but if you do, and if you are


Theresa May, and the problem is to go and fight for the best deal,


don't take it from Brussels that you can't be in the Single Market


without those other things as well, you don't go and argue the case. It


depresses me that Theresa May is beginning this process is waving the


white flag, just as this morning Jeremy Corbyn was waving the white


flag when it comes to it. We need a Government that will fight Britain's


corner and an opposition that will fight the Government to make sure


that it fights. Just explain to our viewers how we could remain members,


members of the Single Market, and not be subject to the jurisdiction


of the European court? So, first of all we spent over the last many,


many years, the likes of Nigel Farage and others, will have argued,


you heard them on this very programme, that Britain should


aspire to be like Norway and Switzerland for example, countries


that are not in the European Union but aren't the Single Market. It is


very clear to me that if you want the best deal for Britain -- but are


in the Single Market. You go and argue for the best deal. What is the


answer to my question, you haven't answered it


the question is, how does the Prime Minister go and fight for the best


deal for Britain. If we think that being in the Single Market is the


right thing, not Baxter -- not access to it but membership of it,


you don't wave the white flag before you enter the negotiating room. I'm


afraid we have run out of time. Thank you, Tim Farron.


The leaks on this speech on Tuesday we have seen, it is interesting that


Downing Street has not attempted to dampen them down this morning, in


the various papers, do they tell us something new? Do they tell us more


of the Goverment's aims in the Brexit negotiations? I think it's


only a confirmation of something which has been in the mating really


for the six months that she's been in the job. The logic of everything


that she's said since last July, the keenness on re-gaining control of


migration, the desire to do international trade deals, the fact


that she is appointed trade Secretary, the logic of all of that


is that we are out of the Single Market, quite probably out of the


customs union, what will happen this week is a restatement of a fairly


clear position anyway. I think Tim Farron is right about one thing, I


don't think she will go into the speech planning to absolutely


definitively say, we are leaving those things. Because even if there


is a 1% chance of a miracle deal, where you stay in the Single Market,


somehow get exempted from free movement, it is prudent to keep


hopes on that option as a Prime Minister. -- to keep open that


option. She is being advised both by the diplomatic corps and her


personal advisers, don't concede on membership of the Single Market yet.


We know it's not going to happen, but let them Europeans knock us back


on that,... That is probably the right strategy for all of the


reasons that Jarlan outlined there. What we learned a bit today is the


possibility of some kind of transition or arrangements, which


David Davies has been talking about in a comment piece for one of the


Sunday papers. My sense from Brexiteers aborting MPs is that they


are very happy with 90% of the rhetoric -- Brexit sporting MPs. The


rhetoric has not been dampened down by MPs, apart from this transitional


arrangement, which they feel and two France, on the one front will


encourage the very dilatory EU to spend longer than ever negotiating a


deal, and on the other hand will also be exactly what our civil


service looks for in stringing things out. What wasn't explained


this morning is what David Davies means by transitional is not that


you negotiate what you can in two years and then spend another five


years on the matter is that a lot of the soul. He thinks everything has


to be done in the two years, -- of the matter are hard to solve. But it


would include transitional arrangements over the five years.


What we are seeing in the build-up is the danger of making these kind


of speeches. In a way, I kind of admired her not feeding the media


machine over the autumn and the end of last year cars, as Janan has


pointed out in his columns, she has actually said quite a lot from it,


you would extrapolate quite a lot. We won't be members of the Single


Market? She said that in the party conference speech, we are out of


European court. Her red line is the end of free movement, so we are out


of the Single Market. Why has she sent Liam Fox to negotiate all of


these other deals, not that he will succeed necessarily, but that is the


intention? We are still in the customs union. You can extrapolate


what she will say perhaps more cautiously in the headlines on


Tuesday. But the grammar of a big speech raises expectations, gets the


markets worked up. So she is doing it because people have said that she


doesn't know what she's on about. But maybe she should have resisted


it. Very well, and she hasn't. The speech is on Tuesday morning.


Now, the public consultation on press regulation closed this


week, and soon ministers will have to decide whether to


enact a controversial piece of legislation.


Section 40 of the Crime and Courts Act, if implemented,


could see newspapers forced to pay legal costs in libel and privacy


If they don't sign up to an officially approved regulator.


The newspapers say it's an affront to a free press,


while pro-privacy campaigners say it's the only way to ensure


a scandal like phone-hacking can't happen again.


Ellie Price has been reading all about it.


It was the biggest news about the news for decades,


a scandal that involved household names, but not just celebrities.


They've even hacked the phone of a murdered schoolgirl.


It led to the closure of the News Of The World,


a year-long public inquiry headed up by the judge Lord Justice Leveson,


and in the end, a new press watchdog set up by Royal Charter,


which could impose, among other things, million-pound fines.


If this system is implemented, the country should have confidence


that the terrible suffering of innocent victims


like the Dowlers, the McCanns and Christopher Jefferies should


To get this new plan rolling, the Government also passed


the Crime and Courts Act, Section 40 of which would force


publications who didn't sign up to the new regulator to pay legal


costs in libel and privacy cases, even if they won.


It's waiting for sign-off from the Culture Secretary.


We've got about 50 publications that have signed up...


This is Impress, the press regulator that's got the backing


of the Royal Charter, so its members are protected


from the penalties that would be imposed by Section 40.


It's funded by the Formula One tycoon Max Mosley's


I think the danger if we don't get Section 40 is that


you have an incomplete Leveson project.


I think it's very, very likely that within the next five or ten years


there will be a scandal, there'll be a crisis in press


standards, everyone will be saying to the Government,


"Why on Earth didn't you sort things out when you had the chance?"


Isn't Section 40 essentially just a big stick to beat


We hear a lot about the stick part, but there's also a big juicy carrot


for publishers and their journalists who are members of an


They get huge new protections from libel threats,


from privacy actions, which actually means they've got


a lot more opportunity to run investigative stories.


Impress has a big image problem - not a single national


Instead, many of them are members of Ipso,


the independent regulator set up and funded by the industry that


doesn't seek the recognition of the Royal Charter.


The male cells around 22,000 each day...


There are regional titles too, who, like the Birmingham Mail,


won't sign up to Impress, even if they say the costs


are associated with Section 40 could put them out of business.


Impress has an umbilical cord that goes directly back to Government


through the recognition setup that it has.


Now, we broke free of the shackles of the regulated press


when the stamp duty was revealed 150 years ago.


If we go back to this level of oversight, then I think


we turn the clock back, 150 years of press freedom.


The responses from the public have been coming thick and fast


since the Government launched its consultation


In fact, by the time it closed on Tuesday,


And for that reason alone, it could take months before


a decision on what happens next is taken.


The Government will also be minded to listen to its own MPs,


One described it to me as Draconian and hugely damaging.


So, will the current Culture Secretary's thinking be


I don't think the Government will repeal section 40.


What I'm arguing for is not to implement it, but it will remain


on the statute book and if it then became apparent that Ipso simply


was failing to work, was not delivering effective


regulation and the press were behaving in a way


which was wholly unacceptable, as they were ten years ago,


then there might be an argument at that time to think well in that


case we are going to have to take further measures,


The future of section 40 might not be so black and white.


I'm told a compromise could be met whereby the punitive parts


about legal costs are dropped, but the incentives


to join a recognised regulator are beefed up.


But it could yet be some time until the issue of press freedom


I'm joined now by Max Mosley - he won a legal case against the News


Of The World after it revealed details about his private life,


and he now campaigns for more press regulation.


Are welcome to the programme. Let me ask you this, how can it be right


that you, who many folk think have a clear vendetta against the British


press, can bankroll a government approved regulator of the press? If


we hadn't done it, nobody would, section 40 would never have come


into force because there would never have been a regulator. It is


absolutely wrong that a family trust should have to finance something


like this. It should be financed by the press or the Government. If we


hadn't done it there would be no possibility of regulation. But it


means we end up with a regulator financed by you, as I say


many people think you have a clear vendetta against the press. Where


does the money come from? From a family trust, it is family money.


You have to understand that somebody had to do this. I understand that.


People like to know where the money comes from, I think you said it came


from Brixton Steyn at one stage. Ages ago my father had a trust there


but now all my money is in the UK. We are clear about that, but this is


money that was put together by your father. Yes, my father inherited it


from his father and his father. The whole of Manchester once belonged to


the family, that's why there is a Mosley Street. That is irrelevant


because as we have given the money, I have no control. If you do the


most elementary checks into the contract between my family trust,


the trust but finances Impress, it is impossible for me to exert any


influence. It is just the same as if it had come from the National


lottery. People will find it ironic that the money has come from


historically Britain's best-known fascist. No, it has come from my


family, the Mosley family. This is complete drivel because we have no


control. Where the money comes from doesn't matter, if it had come from


the national lottery it would be exactly the same. Impress was


completely independent. But it wouldn't exist without your money,


wouldn't it? But that doesn't give you influence. It might exist


because it was founded before I was ever in contact with them. Isn't it


curious then that so many leading light show your hostile views of the


press? I don't think it is because I don't know a single member of the


Impress board. The chairman I have met months. The only person I know


is Jonathan Hayward who you had on just now. In one recent months he


tweeted 50 attacks on the Daily Mail, including some calling for an


advertising boycott of the paper. He also liked a Twitter post calling me


Daily Mail and neofascist rag. Are these fitting for what is meant to


be impartial regulator? The person you should ask about that is the


press regulatory panel and they are completely independent, they


reviewed the whole thing. You have probably produced something very


selective, I have no idea but I am certain that these people are


absolutely trustworthy and independent. It is not just Mr


Hayward, we have a tonne of things he has tweeted calling for boycotts,


remember this is the man that would be the regulator of these papers.


He's the chief executive, that is a separate thing. The administration,


the regulator. Many leading light show your vendetta of the press. I


do not have a vendetta. Let's take another one. This person is on the


code committee. Have a look at this. As someone with these views fit to


be involved in the regulation of the press? You said I have a vendetta


against the press, I do not, I didn't say that and it is completely


wrong to say I have a vendetta. What do you think of that? I don't agree,


I wouldn't ban the Daily Mail, I think it's a dreadful paper but I


wouldn't ban it. Another Impress code committee said I hate the Daily


Mail, I couldn't agree more, others have called for a boycott. Other


people can say what they want and many people may think they are right


but surely these views make them unfit to be partial regulators? I


have no influence over Impress therefore I cannot say anything


about it. You should ask them, not me. All I have done is make it


possible for Impress to exist and that was the right thing to do. I'm


asking you if people with these kind of views are fit to be regulators of


the press. You would have to ask about all of their views, these are


some of their views. A lot of people have a downer on the Daily Mail and


the Sun, it doesn't necessarily make them party pre-. Why would


newspapers sign up to a regulator run by what they think is run by


enemies out to ruin them. If they don't like it they should start


their own section 40 regulator. They could make it so recognised, if only


they would make it independent of the big newspaper barons but they


won't -- they could make Ipso recognised. Is the Daily Mail


fascist? It certainly was in the 1930s. Me and my father are


relevant, this whole section 40 issue is about access to justice.


The press don't want ordinary people who cannot afford to bring an action


against the press, don't want them to have access to justice. I can


understand that but I don't sympathise. What would happen to the


boss of Ofcom, which regulates broadcasters, if it described


Channel 4 News is a Marxist scum? If the press don't want to sign up to


Impress they can create their own regulator. If you were to listen we


would get a lot further. The press should make their own Levenson


compliant regulator, then they would have no complaints at all. Even


papers like the Guardian, the Independent, the Financial Times,


they show your hostility to tabloid journalism. They have refused to be


regulated by Impress. I will say it again, the press could start their


own regulator, they do not have to sign... Yes, but Levenson compliant


one giving access to justice so people who cannot afford an


expensive legal action have a proper arbitration service. The Guardian,


the Independent, the Financial Times, they don't want to do that


either. That would suggest there is something fatally flawed about your


approach. Even these kind of papers, the Guardian, Impress is hardly


independent, the head of... Andrew, I am sorry, you are like a dog with


a bone. The press could start their own regulator, then people like the


Financial Times, the Guardian and so one could decide whether they wanted


to join or not but what is absolutely vital is that we should


have a proper arbitration service so that people who cannot afford an


expensive action have somewhere to go. This business of section 40


which you want to be triggered which would mean papers that didn't sign


up to Impress could be sued in any case and they would have to pay


potentially massive legal costs, even if they win. Yes. This is what


the number of papers have said about this, if section 40 was triggered,


the Guardian wouldn't even think of investigation. The Sunday Times said


it would not have even started to expose Lance Armstrong. The Times


journalist said he couldn't have done the Rotherham child abuse


scandal. What they all come it is a full reading of section 40 because


that cost shifting will only apply if, and I quote, it is just and


equitable in all the circumstances. I cannot conceive of any High Court


judge, for example the Lance Armstrong case or the child abuse,


saying it is just as equitable in all circumstances the newspaper


should pay these costs. Even the editor of index on censorship, which


is hardly the Sun, said this would be oppressive and they couldn't do


what they do, they would risk being sued by warlords. No because if


something unfortunate, some really bad person sues them, what would


happen is the judge would say it is just inequitable normal


circumstances that person should pay. Section 40 is for the person


that comes along and says to a big newspaper, can we go to arbitration


because I cannot afford to go to court. The big newspaper says no.


That leaves less than 1% of the population with any remedy if the


newspapers traduce them. It cannot be right. From the Guardian to the


Sun, and including Index On Censorship, all of these media


outlets think you are proposing a charter for conmen, warlords, crime


bosses, dodgy politicians, celebrities with a grievance against


the press. I will give you the final word to address that. It is pure


guff and the reason is they want to go on marking their own homework.


The press don't want anyone to make sure life is fair. All I want is


somebody who has got no money to be able to sue in just the way that I


can. All right, thanks for being with us.


The doctors' union, the British Medical Association,


has said the Government is scapegoating GPs in England


The Government has said GP surgeries must try harder to stay


open from 8am to 8pm, or they could lose out on funding.


The pressure on A services in recent weeks has been intense.


It emerged this week that 65 of the 152 Health Trusts in England


had issued an operational pressure alert in the first


At either level three, meaning major pressures,


or level four, indicating an inability to deliver


On Monday, Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt told the Commons


that the number of people using A had increased by 9 million


But that 30% of those visits were unnecessary.


He said that the situation at a number of Trusts


On Tuesday, the Royal College of Physicians wrote


to the Prime Minister saying the health service was being


paralysed by spiralling demand, and urging greater investment.


On Wednesday, the Chief Executive of NHS England, Simon Stevens,


told a Select Committee that NHS funding will be highly constrained.


And from 2018, real-terms spending per person would fall.


The Prime Minister described the Red Cross's claim that A


was facing a "humanitarian crisis" as "irresponsible and overblown".


And the National Audit Office issued a report that found almost half,


46%, of GP surgeries closed at some point during core hours.


Yesterday, Mrs May signalled her support for doctors' surgeries


opening from 8am to 8pm every day of the week, in order to divert


To discuss this, I'm joined now by the Conservative


MP Maria Caulfield - she was an NHS nurse in a former


life - and Clare Gerada, a former chair of the Royal College


Welcome to you both. So, Maria Caulfield, what the Government is


saying, Downing Street in effect is saying that GPs do not work hard


enough and that's the reason why A was under such pressure? No, I don't


think that is the message, I think that is the message that the media


have taken up. That is not the expression that we want to give. I


still work as a nurse, I know how hard doctors work in hospitals and


GP practices. When the rose 30% of people turning up at A for neither


an accident or an emergency, we do need to look at alternative. Where


is the GPs' operability in this? We know from patients that if they


cannot get access to GPs, they will do one of three things. They will


wait two or three weeks until they can get an appointment, they will


forget about the problem altogether, which is not good, we want patients


to be getting investigations at early stages, or they will go to


A And that is a problem. I'm not quite sure what the role that GPs


play in this. What is your response in that? I think about 70% of


patients that I see should not be seen by me but should still be seen


by hospital consultants. If we look at it from GPs' eyes and not from


hospital's eyes, because that is what it is, we might get somewhere.


Tomorrow morning, every practice in England will have about 1.5 GPs


shot, that's not even counting if there is traffic problems, sickness


or whatever. -- GPs shot. We cannot work any harder, I cannot


physically, emotionally work any harder. We are open 12 hours a day,


most of us, I run practices open 365 days per year 24 hours a day. I


don't understand this. It is one thing attacking me as a GP from


working hard enough, but it is another thing saying that GPs as a


profession and doing what they should be doing. Let me in National


Audit Office has coming up with these figures showing that almost


half of doctors' practices are not open during core hours at some part


of the week. That's where the implication comes, that they are not


working hard enough. What do you say to that? I don't recognise this. I'm


not being defensive, I'm just don't recognise it. There are practices


working palliative care services, practices have to close home visits


if they are single-handed, some of us are working in care homes during


the day. They may shot for an hour in the middle of the data will sort


out some of the prescriptions and admin -- they may shot. My practice


runs a number of practices across London. If we shut during our


contractual hours we would have NHS England coming down on us like a


tonne of bricks. Maria Caulfield, I'm struggling to understand, given


the problems the NHS faces, particularly in our hospitals, what


this has got to do with the solution? Obviously there are GP


practices that are working, you know, over and above the hours. But


there are some GP practices, we know from National Audit Office, there


are particular black sports -- blackspots in the country that only


offer services for three hours a week. That's causing problems if


they cannot get to see a GP they will go and use A Nobody is


saying that this measure would solve problems at A, it would address


one small part of its top blog we shouldn't be starting this, as I


keep saying, please to this from solving the problems at A We


should be starting it from solving the problems of the patients in


their totality, the best place they should go, not from A This really


upsets me, as a GP I am there to be a proxy A doctor. I am a GP, a


highly skilled doctor, looking after patients from cradle to grave across


the physical, psychological and social, I am not an A doctor. I


don't disagree with that, nobody is saying that GPs are not working hard


enough. You just did, actually, about some of them. In some


practices, what we need to see, it's not just GPs in GP surgeries, it is


advanced nurse practitioners, pharmacists. It doesn't necessarily


need to be all on the GPs. I think advanced nurse practitioners are in


short supply. Position associate or go to hospital, -- physician


associates. We have very few trainees, junior doctors in general


practice, unlike hospitals, which tend to have some slack with the


junior doctor community and workforce. This isn't an argument,


this is about saying, let's stop looking at the National health


system as a National hospital system. GPs tomorrow will see about


1.3 million patients. That is a lot of thoughtful. A lot of activity


with no resources. If you wanted the GPs to behave better, in your terms,


when you allocated more money to GPs, part of the reforms, because


that's where it went, shouldn't you have targeted it more closely to


where they want to operate? That is exactly what the Prime Minister is


saying, extra funding is being made available by GPs to extend hours and


services. If certain GP practices cannot do that, the money will


follow the patient to where they move onto. We have no doctors to do


it. I was on a coach last week, the coach driver stopped in the service


station for an hour, they were stopping for a rest. We cannot do


it. Even if you gave us millions more money, and thankfully NHS is


recognising that we need a solution through the five-day week, we


haven't got the doctors to deliver this. It would take a while to get


them? That's my point, that's why we need to be using all how care


professional. Even if you got this right, would it make a difference to


what many regard as the crisis in our hospitals? I think it would. If


you look at patients, they just want to go to a service that will address


the problems. In Scotland for example, pharmacists have their own


patient list. Patients go and see the pharmacists first. There are


lots of conditions, for example if you want anticoagulants, you don't


necessarily need to see a doctor, a pharmacist can manage that and free


up the doctor in other ways. The Prime Minister has said that if


things do not change she is threatening to reduce funding to


doctors who do not comply. Can you both agree, that is probably an


empty threat, that's not going to happen? I hope it's an empty threat.


We're trying our best. People like me in my profession, the seniors in


our profession, are really trying to pull up morale and get people into


general practice, which is a wonderful profession, absolutely


wonderful place to be. But slapping us off and telling us that we are


lazy really doesn't help. I really don't think anybody is doing that.


We have run out of time, but I'm certain that we will be back to the


subject before this winter is out. It's just gone 11:35am,


you're watching the Sunday Politics. We say goodbye to viewers


in Scotland, who leave us now Coming up here in 20


minutes: The Week Ahead. I'm Nina Warhurst, coming up


in the north-west... A promise to improve mental health


care for the next generation. And joining me to discuss that


and the rest of this week's news are Graham Evans,


the Conservative MP for Weaver Vale, and Lisa Nandy, who's the MP


for Wigan for the Labour Party. But before we move on to mental


health, this week 50 leading doctors wrote to the Prime Minister asking


that she secure long-term We are in a crisis,


and it is a humane crisis, because it is a crisis


which is affecting human beings and there is a person at the top


of the food chain is in denial Mark Holland there,


who is a doctor from Manchester. Graham, this topic is so toxic


that the health minister was meant to come on this programme


but had to cancel. Number ten apparently asked him


to because of that subject. Is the government in


denial about the extent It's no surprise


that we are in winter, but the National Health Service


is dealing with more The Tuesday after Christmas


was a record breaking number And it is winter time,


people come back on the new year and find that they're


not feeling well. And so, it is a very difficult time,


I'm not disputing that, but the government has worked very


hard in the NHS. We've committed ?10 billion


since the election, there will be It's clearly not


enough though, is it? You've got leading experts in every


field throughout health care saying Well, no, the Prime Minister hasn't


got her head in the sand. But we did ask the NHS before


the general election how much they needed, and they asked


for ?8 billion additional income, And we're actually going to be


supplying ?10 billion by 2020. Isn't that a figure that's been


disputed by Simon Stevens? Well, the figures have been


disputed, but we did ask I'm not an expert, they are asked


and that was the figure. Simon Stevens, the chief executive


of the NHS England has said that the Prime Minister


is stretching the truth when it I think that's it, that really


is Simon Stevens at his worst. As I say, we as politicians asked


Simon Stevens how much he wanted. We're committing


?10 billion by 2020. Let's have a look at the figures


leaked to us on the time ambulances have been left waiting


at some hospitals. On the 4th of January,


an ambulance was waiting for more The day before at North Manchester


General, it was almost nine hours. And on the 12th of December,


the longest turnaround time The Prime Minister denying that this


is a humanitarian crisis. You could argue, relatives of anyone


lay on a stretcher for nine hours Well, I don't accept that it's


a humanitarian crisis. I work in defence and security,


and if you look at what's going on in Syria and the civilians


in Aleppo and elsewhere in Syria, I'm not disputing for a moment that


we're going through a difficult time, but to say the Prime Minister


isn't on top of this, And we're all working hard


to work with the NHS Lisa, using language


like a humanitarian crisis as the Red Cross did,


is that overblowing the situation? I think it's fairly significant


coming from the British Red Cross. That is more used to working


in war-torn areas like Syria and the sorts of places that Graham


was just describing. The truth is that hospitals


and A in particular, are barometers for the health


of the wider health And what we've seen over the last


six years is not just huge cuts to hospitals,


not only Simon Stevens but also the Tory chair of the health select


committee has said that the government is not


putting in the funding We've also seen massive sweeping


cuts to social care, and that's meant many people,


particularly older people, are coming into hospitals


through the Ambulance Service It's social care,


its pressure on GP translating to red alert


across emergency services. I've visited some GPs this


morning ahead of the show. We're committing ?3.5 billion


to adult social care. And there are some examples of good


practice, and best practice. Where we see best practice


in the north-west, in Lisa's very own constituency in Wigan,


and also in Salford where they have integrated networks to get patients


out of hospital into... By constituency is a very


good example of this. Where we are consistently one


of the top performing hospital trusts in the region,


and outperform many But even my hospital trust


in the last few weeks has failed to meet those waiting time targets,


those four hour waiting time targets in A, as have


hospitals across the country. And the reality of that is


ambulances queueing at hospitals and people lying on trolleys


in hospital corridors, as they did when I was growing up


under a Tory government in this We urgently need to take


the politics out of this, Do you accept they need


to be cross-party talks? We need more money into the NHS,


and we need to be honest with people I grew up under a Labour


government in the 1970s, and the health system that under


a Labour government I would like to take politics out


of it, as Lisa says, to work together and stop


using the NHS as a We've committed ?10 billion


extra funding by 2020, but there is clearly more to do,


certainly in adult social care. But you think the reason


they will agree to the call that was made by three


of your own Tory colleagues and several Labour and Liberal


Democrat MPs this week, to set up cross-party


talks on the future Well, I can't talk


for the Prime Minister, but I think that's a good


suggestion, the politicians Certainly in the north-west


and as Lisa says, where you have examples of best practice,


in your constituency and elsewhere, For my constituency,


for Cheshire West and Chester. So you both agree the Prime Minister


needs to agree on cross-party She needs to put the funding


in place to care for people More elderly patients are increasing


the NHS costs and this week the government concentrated though


on young people, announcing plans There will be more teacher training,


more money for community health As Kevin Fitzpatrick now reports,


waiting times for treatment in parts of this region are among the worst


in the country. Mental health problems affect people


of all ages and all backgrounds. The Prime Minister describes it


as a hidden injustice, and wants to change attitudes


towards mental illness. So does Jake Mills from Liverpool,


who tried to end his And we're being kind


of facetious about it. If there was a disease that existed


that was killing more men in this country under the age of 49,


and it was preventable and treatable, we would


all be experts on it. Taken an overdose of


prescribed medication. Hospital psychiatric teams


are increasingly dealing with people in crisis,


and the level of Patients with depression


or anxiety weight eight days for treatment in Liverpool,


below the national average of 19. But greater Manchester is among


the worst in the country, 41 days in North Manchester,


46 in central Manchester. And more than seven weeks


in South Manchester. More young people particularly young


girls and young women There's an awful lot more self harm


and threat of suicide. So it's realy stepped up


in terms of demand at a time And the Moodswings charity


in Manchester, staff try to understand the underlying


causes of people's distress. Its chair claims mental health


services are under pressure, because too many people


are prescribed drugs or referred The answer is to look


at what we're doing, have a fundamental look


at what we're going and start to see having human problems,


rather than patients Jake Mills believes he's


proof that you can return from the darkest of places,


but many say that for mental health to get the same


recognition as physical health, Again, I think we all agree


that cases like Jake's are upsetting and there needs


to be more investment. But really, Graham,


?50 million across the country. Are we supposed to


take that seriously? Well, unfortunately mental health


has been the poor relation in the NHS and all parties were far


too long, and the Prime Minister... ?50 million, it feels


like it very much still is! The Prime Minister, one of her first


speeches was on mental health, and putting it as a priority


to the government in future. Again, if we can work


together cross-party on this to really get it there,


centrestage, because it has a huge impact on families


across the country. It's tough, isn't it Lisa,


because this is something that again breaches over into social care


and often diagnosis is the trickiest Yeah, so I really applaud


Theresa May for making this her first speech on health,


because too often as you said, it becomes the afterthought


or the poor relation. The problem is that when you look


at the concrete measures that she actually announced,


?50 million, just And not really compensating


actually for the money that was previously promised


and that never materialised. And there are some concrete things


that you could do to deal with this. For example, last time


George Osborne promised money for mental health,


that money never actually went into mental health


because cash-strapped trusts and clinical commissioning groups


were actually taking that money and using it to pay


for other priorities. And also, if we're salami slicing


things like children's centres, youth services, 15 million then


spread out, it's not going to mean Well, there is more to be done,


but at least we met In fact, to pay tribute to one


of your colleagues who is one of the first to stand up


and in Parliament. We discuss mental health


in Parliament, that wasn't And yes, there is a long way to go,


we have far more to do, It is at centre stage,


but there is an awful lot I mean, I would say that


actually this is a crisis. I would say that it's


going much further than... That is deeply offensive to people


who are waiting significant amounts There are some people in greater


Manchester who wait more than 90 days to see a counsellor


when they're in crisis. I've had cases in my constituency,


you will have done too. I had a young girl who was left


sitting in a waiting room when she was suicidal al night,


and then sent home. Not actually because of a lack


of a bed, but for lack of an ambulance to get her


to that bed. There are real, real problems facing


people now, and it is a crisis. We all have examples


in our constituencies, It was taboo subject up


until fairly recently. It's really good that the Prime


Minister is taking it as a lead, and I'm hoping in future we can


get more money. We cannot magic more


money out of the air. We need to have a stronger economy,


stronger economy and stronger NHS. We're going to have to stop,


because I know we're going to be coming back to this


throughout the year. That's the NHS and mental


health services. We're going to look now


at what else is in the political Stuart Pollitt has called on three


of our wisest minds to look ahead. Let's hope they do a better job


than last year's experts. 2016 wasn't exactly a great year


for political predictions, was it? We've gathered three experts to see


what 2017 has in store. First on the agenda,


the upcoming mayoral elections. Are they in danger


of being a bit dull? I think we probably know


who's going to win. I don't think Andy Burnham Steve


Rotherham will be too worried But they could still be


interesting contests. Do you see any possible challenge


to a Labour victory? It's very hard to see Labour doing


anything other than winning. But there is, there are questions


about the extent of the victory and very interesting to see


where the challenge comes from. It will be very interesting to see


what happens with the Ukip vote there, and also some


of the more fringe candidates. You know, the Women's Equality


Party, you know, did very well It might be interesting


to see how their greater Particularly in the


preferential voting system. Just to pick up on that I think


is well, about the challenge that will happen with the by-election


for Andy Burnham's seat, whether or not Ukip will present


a challenge within that In terms of Ukip, not sure that


I buy into this idea that Paul Nuttall is going to deliver


them lots of working-class I'd be amazed if Ukip ever


wins parliamentary seat Andy Burnham's seat, that's the one


they look at, isn't it? I accept there are certain


constituencies where they ought to be winning, given the profile


of Leave versus Remain But also, you know,


the Conservatives could really kind But also, don't write off


the Liberal Democrats. Tim Farron's put his eggs


into the pro-Europe basket. This is a crucial year


for the Liberal Democrats, not just in the north-west


but nationally, because they have to try and grab the agenda,


focus people's attention. You know, they might try


and define themselves We do have one fascinating contest


which will test all the parties, and that's the election


to Lancashire County Council in May. Because that's a council


that is under no overall control. Because if Labour fails to take


Lancashire County Council at this stage of the electoral cycle,


you know, that's a very damning It's also Cumbria, and in both


of those errors you've got no overall control and a mixture


of the Lib Dems and Labour being, It's really interesting to see how


that anti-Conservative There is a certain brand loyalty


to Labour here in the north-west. The problem for Labour is it's not


being replicated further afield. That brand loyalty also


is being stretched. 2017 is going to be volatile and


it's going to be a lot of change. And the Conservatives are very


much on the back foot. The next six months


are going to be key for them. I mean, the Conservatives have got


a very, very difficult year ahead. They're very divided


on whether they want to remain as part of the European single


market or not. They've got to come


to their conference here in Manchester on the 1st of October


this year, and be united The other thing that will be sorted


out this year of course is the electoral boundaries


in the north-west, I mean, that is one of the key


reasons why I don't think there'll be a general election in 2017,


is because the Conservatives want to make sure that the new


boundaries are in place. One thing I can be sure of,


that the three of you will be in for an interesting year no


matter what happens. Andrew Russell than saying


he doesn't think there will be I think there probably


will, actually. My feeling is, if I was Theresa May,


she wasn't elected by the country. She wasn't even elected


from Conservative Party members, she's inherited this situation


where we're leaving the European Union without any


planning whatsoever I think she probably has


to go to the country, and I think most likely if anyone


can predict anything about this very unpredictable year,


I would say that she will set out her sort of broad parameters


and then call a general election Even if we trigger Article 50


in March, is that not...? Well, she still not officially


committed to triggering Article 50 in March,


but I guess we'll Ought she trigger a general


election as well? This is one of the most


significant changes I'm not asking for


a general election. Because I've just about recovered


from 2015 marginal seat. I worked very hard


to reduce my majority! Majority MPs of all parties tend not


to want general elections. The great British public out


there are sort of referendum-ed and election-ed out,


so we don't really On a serious point, the threat


of a Corbyn government would be You mentioned what we've got to do


with Brexit in March. You need a very, very strong leader


at the helm during this very She has to get through Brexit


and 2017 is that year. We do not want any general elections


destabilising the economy. I would say there's


a better chance of having But, I mean, you're talking


to somebody who thought that it was most likely that


Yvette Cooper was going to win the Labour leadership contest


the first time round. Speaking of Jeremy Corbyn,


it has been a bumpy start This week, I met with him


at Westminster and asked him if he agreed with our viewers,


who told me he's out of touch with traditional Labour


voters on immigration. What I want to do is end


the undercutting of existing pay and conditions, the exploitation


of people in awful The north-west of England told


you with the Brexit vote, You're assuming that all those


who voted Brexit voted on one issue. There are many issues


people voted on. We need to have an economic


relationship with Europe in the future, that's what Labour


is committed to. That's why we're working


with colleagues across Europe. Paul Nuttall is the new leader


of Ukip, he is a plain northerner and he is,


his message is clear on immigration: Why shouldn't those voters


in the north-west turn to Ukip? I think what we have to do is ensure


that there is no more undercutting of existing working conditions,


no more people being brought in by agencies and forced


to work for those agency. That sounds to your viewers


like you are more worried about the rights of immigrants


than you are about their concerns, but the impact of immigration


on their community. It would have a very big effect,


because it would mean that people that have got agreed working


conditions in this country If we thought the beginning


of the week that Corbyn was going to moderate his views


on immigration, we were And then Tuesday's


speech came about. Was it a U-turn


from your perspective? I thought it was quite


welcome, actually. Because it was the first time


that the Labour leadership has come out and said we need to look


at reform of the system of free movement, but our priority


as we said from the very beginning is about as full access


to the single market as possible. Do you think he communicated


that very clearly? Because we're all left


scratching our heads thinking, I think there were certainly some


confusion over the way that But actually, this was the first


time that I've heard somebody at that very senior level


in the Labour Party say that we need some reforms


to the system of free movement. That's a lot more detail than we've


had from the Prime Minister so far, who is refusing to tell the British


public anything at all about what she plans


for post-Brexit Britain. Because for many young


people in my constituency, they can see the benefits


of being part of the single market, but actually the system that we've


got of free movement has enabled us for far too long to bring in migrant


labourer at the expense of young people in towns like mine,


who need investment in their skills And we ought to change that,


as Jeremy Corbyn... Protecting the rights of migrant


workers rather than encouraging Our message from the Labour Party


under Ed Miliband and now again under Jeremy Corbyn has always been


that we will not allow the companies to drive down terms and conditions


at the expense is of migrant workers and of people working


here in this country. A little bit of clarity would be


good, Graham, wouldn't it? From the government, so we know


which direction wing heading in. Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps fairly,


said to me, "I can't start talking about our policy until we know


what the government's doing". We want to reduce the number


of migrants coming here, but we need doctors,


we need nurses, we need We have a shortage of those people,


so it's vitally important for the continued growth


of our country that we do have the ability to


bring those people in. But we need to train


up our own people. You think where having to a two


tier system of visas? I think and skilled Labour


coming in, as Lisa alluded to in her constituency and indeed


in my constituency, we have young people who need to scale


up to take those jobs. Having unskilled migrants


coming in is a complete failure, but the government


is working on that. It's easy for employers


to bring in unskilled work. Some of the companies,


not all companies, down It's about skilling up our own


workforce, our own people. I'm sure all will become clear


in the next few months. It's planes, trains and automobiles


in this week's 60 Seconds. Anti-fracking protesters


forced a four hour road Demonstrators were walking


in front of lorries heading into the new Quadrilla site


at Little Plumpton. 11 miles away in Preston,


drivers have racked up fines of ?1 million in less


than three months. They've been caught out by a new bus


lane in Fisher gate. My daughter came up Chapel Street,


and by the time she was here, From roads to rail, and an MP


pointed the finger at Virgin for charging up to three times more


for a trip from London to Preston than to Lancaster,


despite the shorter journey. Virgin says more


people use the line. Virgin need to have a look


at the pricing structure. They also need to stop ripping


people off, because this Passenger numbers at


Liverpool John Lennon Airport are at their highest for five years,


but the local singer Rebecca Ferguson won't be using it


for a trip to Washington. She's decided not to sing


at Donald Trump's inauguration because of a dispute


over song choice. Thank you to my guests,


Lisa Nandy the MP for Wigan. And Graham Evans, the Conservative


MP for Weaver Vale. The Shadow Education


Secretary Angela Rayner We'll be looking at the impact


of changes to school funding. I'll hand you back


to Andrew in London. Now, if anyone thought Donald Trump


would tone things down after the American election


campaign, they may have The period where he has been


President-elect will make them think again. The inauguration is coming up


on Friday. Never has the forthcoming


inauguration of a president been In a moment, we'll talk


to a man who knows Mr Trump But first, let's have a look


at the press conference Mr Trump gave on Wednesday,


in which he took the opportunity to rubbish reports that Russia has


obtained compromising information You are attacking our


news organisation. Can you give us a chance,


you are attacking our news organisation, can you give us


a chance to ask a question, sir? As far as Buzzfeed,


which is a failing pile of garbage, writing it, I think they're


going to suffer the consequences. Does anyone really


believe that story? I'm also very much of


a germaphobe, by the way. If Putin likes Donald Trump,


guess what, folks, that's called The only ones that care about my tax


returns are the reporters, OK? Do you not think the American


public is concerned? The Wiggo, Donald Trump at his first


last conference. The Can will he change as President? Because he


hasn't changed in the run-up to being inaugurated? I don't think he


will commit he doesn't see any point in changing. Why would he change


from the personality that just one, as he just said, I just one. All of


the bleeding-heart liberals can wail and brush their teeth and say how


ghastly that all this, Hillary should have won and so on, but he


has got an incredible mandate. Remember, Trump has the House


committee has the Senate, he will have the Supreme Court. He has


incredible power right now. He doesn't have to listen to anybody. I


spoke to him a couple of weeks ago specifically about Twitter, I asked


him what the impact was of Twitter. He said, I have 60 million people


following me on Twitter. I was able to bypass mainstream media, bypass


all modern political convention and talk directly to potential voters.


Secondly, I can turn on the TV in the morning, I can see a rival


getting all of the airtime, and I can fire off a tweet, for free, as a


marketing man he loves that, and, boom, I'm on the news agenda again.


He was able to use that magnificently. Twitter to him didn't


cost him a dollar. He is going to carry on tweeting in the last six


weeks, he was not sleeping. Trump has never had an alcoholic drink a


cigarette or a drug. He is a fit by the 70, he has incredible energy and


he is incredibly competitive. At his heart, he is a businessman. If you


look at him as a political ideologue, you completely missed the


point of trouble. Don't take what he says literally, look upon it as a


negotiating point that he started from, and try to do business with


him as a business person would, and you may be presently surprised so


pleasantly surprised. He treats the press and the media entirely


differently to any other politician or main politician in that normally


the politicians try to get the media off a particular subject, or they


try to conciliate with the media. He just comes and punches the media in


the nose when he doesn't like them. This could catch on, you know! You


are absolutely right, for a start, nobody could accuse him of letting


that victory go to his head. You know, he won't say, I will now be


this lofty president. He's exactly the same as he was before. What is


fascinating is his Laois and ship with the media. I haven't met, and


I'm sure you haven't, met a party leader who is obsessed with the


media. But they pretend not to be. You know, they state, oh, somebody


told me about a column, I didn't read it. He is utterly transparent


in his obsession with the media, he doesn't pretend. How that plays out,


who knows? It's a completely different dynamic than anyone has


seen by. Like he is the issue, he has appointed an unusual Cabinet,


that you could criticise in many ways. Nearly all of them are


independent people in their own right. A lot of them are wealthy,


too. They have their own views. They might not like what he tweaked at


3am, and he does have to deal with his Cabinet now. Mad dog matters,


now the Defence Secretary, he might not like what's said about China at


three in morning - general matters. This is what gets very conjugated.


We cannot imagine here in our political system any kind of


appointments like this. Using the wouldn't have a line-up of


billionaires of the kind of background that he has chosen -- you


simply wouldn't have. But that won't stop him saying and reading what he


thinks. Maybe it will cause him some internal issues when the following


day he has the square rigged with whatever they think. But he's going


to press ahead. Are we any clearer in terms of policy. I know policy


hasn't featured hugely in this campaign of 2016. Do we have any


really clear idea what Mr Trump is hoping to achieve? He has had some


consistent theme going back over 25 years. One is a deep scepticism


about international trade and the kind of deals that America has been


doing over that period. It has been so consistent that is has been hard


to spin as something that you say during the course of a campaign of


something to get elected. Ultimately, Piers is correct, he


won't change. When he won the election committee gave a relatively


magnanimous beach. I thought his ego had been sated and he had got what


he wanted. He will end up governing as is likely eccentric New York


liberal and everything will be fine. In the recent weeks it has come to


my attention that that might not be entirely true!


LAUGHTER It is a real test of the American


system, the Texan bouncers, the foreign policy establishment which


is about to have the orthodoxies disrupted -- the checks and


balances. I think he has completely ripped up the American political


system. Washington as we know it is dead. From his garage do things his


way, he doesn't care, frankly, what any of us thinks -- Trump is going


to do things his way. If he can deliver for the people who voted for


him who fault this disenfranchised, -- who voted for him who felt this


disenfranchised. They voted accordingly. They want to see jobs


and the economy in good shape, they want to feel secure. They want to


feel that immigration has been tightened. If Trump can deliver on


those main theme for the rust belt communities of America, I'm telling


you, he will go down as a very successful president. All of the


offensive rhetoric and the argy-bargy with CNN and whatever it


may be will be completely irrelevant. Let me finish with a


parochial question. Is it fair to say quite well disposed to this


country? And that he would like, that he's up for a speedy


free-trade, bilateral free-trade you'll? Think we have to be sensible


as the country. Come Friday, he is the president of the United States,


the most powerful man and well. He said to me that he feels half


British, his mum was born and raised in Scotland until the age of 18, he


loves British, his mother used to love watching the Queen, he feels


very, you know, I would roll out the red carpet for Trump, let him eat


Her Majesty. The crucial point for us as a country is coming -- let him


me to Her Majesty. If we can do a speedy deal within an 18 month


period, it really sends a message that well but we are back in the


game, that is a hugely beneficial thing for this country. Well, a man


whose advisers were indicating that maybe he should learn a few things


from Donald Trump was Jeremy Corbyn. Yes, MBE. Mr Corbyn appeared on the


Andrew Marr Show this morning. -- yes, indeed.


If you don't win Copeland, and if you don't win


Stoke-on-Trent Central, you're toast, aren't you?


Our party is going to fight very hard in those elections,


as we are in the local elections, to put those policies out there.


It's an opportunity to challenge the Government on the NHS.


It's an opportunity to challenge them on the chaos of Brexit.


It's an opportunity to challenge them on the housing shortage.


It's an opportunity to challenge them on zero-hours contracts.


Is there ever a moment that you look in the mirror and think,


you know what, I've done my best, but this might not be for me?


I look in the mirror every day and I think,


let's go out there and try and create a society where there


are opportunities for all, where there aren't these terrible


levels of poverty, where there isn't homelessness,


where there are houses for all, and where young people aren't


frightened of going to university because of the debts


they are going to end up with at the end of their course.


Mr Corbyn earlier this morning. Steve, would it be fair to say that


the mainstream of the Labour Party has now come to the conclusion that


they just have to let Mr Corbyn get on with it, that they are not going


to try and influence what he does. They will continue to try and have


their own views, but it's his show, it's up to him, if it's a mess, he


has to live with it and we'll have clean hands? For now, yes. I think


they made a mistake when he was first elected to start in some cases


tweeting within seconds that it was going to be a disaster, this was


Labour MPs. They made a complete mess of that attempted coup in the


summer, which strengthened his position. And he did, it gave Corbyn


the space with total legitimacy to say that part of the problem is,


we're having this public Civil War. In keeping quiet, that disappeared


as part of the explanation for why Labour and low in the polls. I think


they are partly doing that. But they are also struggling, the so-called


mainstream Labour MPs, to decide what the distinctive agenda is. It's


one of the many differences with the 80s, where you had a group of people


sure of what they believed in, they left to form the SDP. What's


happening now is that they are leaving politics altogether. That is


a crisis of social Democrats all across Europe, including the French


Socialists, as we will find out later in the spring. Let Corbyn


because then, that's the strategy. There is a weary and sometimes


literal resignation from the moderates in the Labour Party. If


you talk to them, they are no longer angry, they have always run out of


steam to be angry about what's going on. They are just sort of tired and


feel that they've just got to see this through now. I think the


by-elections will be interesting. When Andrew Marr said, you're toast,


and you? I thought, he's never posed! That was right. A quick


thought from view? One thing Corbyn has in common with Trump is immunity


to bad news. I think he can lose Copeland and lose Stoke, and as long


as it is not a sequence of resignations and by-elections


afterwards, with maybe a dozen or 20 Labour MPs going, he can still enjoy


what. It may be more trouble if Labour loses the United trade union


elections. We are in a period of incredible unpredictability


generally in global politics. If you look at the way the next year plays


out, if for example brags it was a disaster and it starts to unravel


very quickly, Theresa May is attached to that, clearly label


would have a great opportunity potentially disease that higher


ground, and when Eddie the Tories -- Labour would have an opportunity. Is


Corbyn the right guy? We interviewed him, what struck me was that he


talked about being from, a laughable comparison, but when it is really


laughable is this - Hillary Clinton, what were the things she stood for,


nobody really knew? What does Trump stand for? Everybody knew. Corbyn


has the work-out four or five messages and bang, bang, bang. He


could still be in business. Thank you for being with us.


I'll be back at the same time next weekend.


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