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It's Sunday afternoon - this is the Sunday Politics. | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
Jeremy Corbyn wants to give everyone in Britain four | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
extra bank holidays - but is the Labour leader up | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
to being Prime Minister if he wins the election in just | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
Theresa May says she wants a stronger hand to deliver Brexit - | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
how will the Conservatives go about getting the bigger | :00:55. | :00:56. | |
I'll be asking Party Chairman, Patrick McLoughlin. | :00:57. | :01:03. | |
And I've been in Paris where voters are going to the polls in first | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
round of the French Presidential election - what could be the impact | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
on the EU and Brexit of this most unpredictable of contests? | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
And we'll bring you the latest from Battleground North West, | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
where there are more marginals than anywhere else. | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
Visits from three leaders in four days. | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
Will the Remain majority punish the Tories for the decision? | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
Or feel they may not like it but the Tories | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
And with me has always ready for the marathon task of covering a snap | :01:27. | :01:41. | |
general election, even working on bank holidays, the best and | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
brightest political panel in the business. David Wooding, Polly | :01:45. | :01:45. | |
Toynbee and Toby Young. So Labour's big announcement this | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
morning was a crowd pleaser. Four more rainy bank | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
holidays to enjoy - one for each of the patron saints | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
of England, Scotland, But Mr Corbyn probably won't be | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
getting the time off work if he wins And on The Andrew Marr Show this | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
morning he was asked what he would do as Prime Minister | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
if the security services asked him to authorise a drone strike | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
on the leader of Islamic State. What I'd tell them is, | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
give me the information you've got, tell me how accurate that is, | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
tell me what you I'm asking you about decisions you | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
would take as Prime Minister. Can I take you back | :02:19. | :02:27. | |
to the whole point? Is the objective | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
to start more strikes that may kill many innocent | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
people, as has happened? Do you think killing | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
the leader of Isis would be I think the leader of Isis not | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
being around would be helpful, and I'm no supporter or defender | :02:39. | :02:47. | |
in any way of Isis. But I would also argue that | :02:48. | :02:49. | |
the bombing campaign has killed a of whom were virtually prisoners of | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
Isis. So you've got to think | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
about these things. Mr Corbyn earlier. David, is his | :02:57. | :03:03. | |
reply refreshing damaging? It is damaging. He has clearly been | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
freaked to the fire already in the first week, there will be lots of | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
questions on his suitability as a leader and the damage it could cause | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
to our national security over the weeks ahead and Andrew Marr has cut | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
straight to the chase here. The other thing, of course, is the | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
letters of last resort, one of the first duties of a Prime Minister | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
when he walks into No 10 is to sign these letters on his own, on or -- | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
or on her own in a room, a very lonely moment, to decide whether he | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
should press the nuclear button and that goes in the Vanguard submarines | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
and is opened in the event of a strike and he has dodged a question | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
so many times. One must wonder what he would do that. He has to make | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
these decisions as Prime Minister. On the Isis point, refreshing or | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
damaging? It sure is his base, the people who support him, that's the | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
sort of thing they support info and maybe his tactic is that's all he's | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
going to get, that is what the polls seem to suggest, in which case they | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
will be pleased, and say yes, the man is a man for these who doesn't | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
press buttons and shoot people down. But if you want to win you have to | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
deal with your own weaknesses and reach out to other people. I think | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
most people would say that's not somebody who could defend the | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
country. I wonder if he was being totally honest in saying he would | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
consider it he would ask for more information. He has previously been | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
on the record as being against drone strikes in principle, he's | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
campaigned against them, he wants to abolish drones. I think Andrew Marr | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
let him off saying it was a drone strike rather than a Navy SEAL or | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
SAS operation and he had the fact that they could be collateral | :04:43. | :04:44. | |
damage. We that's not his position because he condemned the | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
assassination of Osama Bin Laden even though there was no collateral | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
damage. David is right on the Trident point, he fetched the | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
question. We heard Niall Griffiths on this very show saying Trident, | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
the renewal of Trident, would be in the next Labour Party manifesto. It | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
turns out now we don't know and when he was asked he said that remains to | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
be seen, his re-opened a can of worms. What he has said about | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
Trident which was extraordinary was, we will rebuild the submarines but | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
not have any nukes on them which is expensive and useless. And of course | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
the Labour Party were forced soon after that interview to put out a | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
statement saying it is Labour Party policy to renew Trident. So where | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
are we? Do we know what the party's policy is? It is to renew Trident | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
but he has started this review which involves looking at it all again. We | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
know he is a unilateralist to start with but whether he can force this | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
through is dubious. Does it matter, though, if the party policy is in | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
favour of Trident, if the leader is not? The potential Prime Minister is | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
not? They split three ways when they went to vote on it in the Commons. | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
The party agreed they were pro-Trident and when it came to the | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
vote they split three ways. I think it's difficult for them, it's always | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
been a really difficult issue for Labour. The question is whether you | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
want to seal off your negatives, whether you really want to try and | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
reach out to people. There are an awful lot of people who will like | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
what he said, there are an awful lot of people that think we have been | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
involved in terrible wars, we have wasted a lot of money and blood and | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
let's just get back from the whole thing, let's retreat from the world | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
and not try punching above our weight. There is something to be | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
said for that and it is a reasonable argument. He's been true to himself | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
on this. I think he is and Polly is right, lots of people will agree | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
with him, not enough to win a general election, the latest ComRes | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
poll shows Tories on 50% and Labour on 25 and as my colleague James | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
Forsyth in the Spectator said if this was a boxing match it would | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
have been stopped by now by the revelry. We are not stopping, we are | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
going on. So the political parties have had | :06:55. | :06:55. | |
to move into election mode Stand by for battle buses, | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
mail shots and your social media timeline being bombarded | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
by political propoganda. But none of this comes cheap - | :07:03. | :07:03. | |
Adam's been doing his sums. Democracy is priceless but those | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
planes, trains and automobiles used in the last election cost money | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
and we know exactly how much, thanks to the Electoral | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
Commission database. The Conservatives flew David Cameron | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
to every part of the UK in one day on a private plane costing ?29,000, | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
in-flight meals extra. They shelled out ?1.2 million | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
for adverts on Facebook. The most expensive item was their | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
election guru Lynton Crosby. They bought ?2.4 million worth | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
of advice and research from his firm Labour's biggest expenditure | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
was on good old-fashioned leaflets, costing ?7.4 million | :07:45. | :07:51. | |
to print and deliver. Hope they didn't go straight | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
into the recycling. Cheap for all the | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
enjoyment it gave us. To turn a normal minibus | :08:00. | :08:08. | |
into Harriet Harman's pink bus Nick Clegg toured the country doing | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
all manner of stunts transported although the party got a grand's | :08:11. | :08:17. | |
discount when it broke down. Ukip's then leader Nigel Farage | :08:18. | :08:30. | |
was accompanied by bodyguards Nicola Sturgeon's chopper | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
cost the SNP ?35,450. Plaid Cymru spent just over | :08:33. | :08:41. | |
?1,000 on media training And the Greens spent ?6,912 | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
promoting their tweets. It adds up to a grand total | :08:45. | :08:58. | |
for all the parties of ?37,560,039. Jabbing at my calculator that works | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
out at less than ?1 per voter. Adam Fleming there - | :09:03. | :09:09. | |
and joining me now is the man responsible for the Conservative | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
election campaigns - for the locals next month | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
and the general election in June - Welcome to the programme. The Crown | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
Prosecution Service is reviewing evidence from 14 police forces that | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
your party breached election spending rules on multiple occasions | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
in the last election. What are you going to do differently this time? | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
Well, the battle buses are part of the National campaign spend. You saw | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
them just on the shot that you did, all three parties had those battle | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
buses so that's why we believe they were part of the national spend and | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
it was declared that way. At least 30 people in your party, MPs and | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
agents, being investigated because they may not have been right to | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
include it in the national spend. Are you saying you are going to do | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
nothing differently this time? You asked me about last time and the way | :10:04. | :10:11. | |
the position is... Was. I asked you about this time. We will take a | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
careful count and make sure that everything that we do is within the | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
law. But as I say, the last election, all three parties had | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
battle buses. It is your party that above all has been investigated by | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
14 police forces. You must surely be taking stock of that and working out | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
how to do some things differently. You are being investigated because | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
you put stuff on the National Ledger which should have been on the local | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
constituency ledger. Are you looking at that again? All of the parties | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
had battle buses and they all put them on their national spend. I | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
don't think any of the parties put them on the local spend. The other | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
battle buses were not full of their party activists. Your party stuffed | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
these battle buses with activists and took them to constituencies. | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
That's the difference. And I ask again, what is different this time? | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
Are you going to run the risk of being investigated yet again? We | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
believe that we fully compliant with the electoral law as it was. What | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
will happen if one of these, or two or three or four or five of these 30 | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
people, Tory MPs, or agents running campaigns are charged during the | :11:22. | :11:28. | |
campaign? As I say I believe we properly declared our election | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
expenses. What happens if they are charged? You asking me a | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
hypothetical question, the importance of this election is about | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
who is in Downing Street in seven weeks' time. Let me clarify this, | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
you maintain that in 2015 you did nothing wrong with how you allocated | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
the cost and the activities of the battle buses and you would do | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
exactly the same this time round? What we did at the last election we | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
believe fully complied with the law. So the battle buses this time, | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
stocked full of activists, will still be charged to the national | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
campaign even when they go to local constituencies? Will they? We will | :12:03. | :12:10. | |
be looking at the way we do it, there is new guidance from the | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
Electoral Commission out and we will look at that guidance. It is not the | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
guidance, it is the lawful stop the Electoral Commission said that, if | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
you look at the report they did on us, they said there was one area | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
where we had over claimed, over declared, and another area we had | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
and declared. We haven't worked out what to do | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
yet, have you? We will get on with the campaign and | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
start the campaign and I'm looking forward to the campaign. | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
I'm trying to work out of the campaign is going to be legal or not | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
because last time it seems it could have been illegal. | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
I am sure the campaign will be legal. | :12:47. | :12:48. | |
You started the campaign warning about the prospect of, the coalition | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
of chaos. Mr Corbyn has ruled out a post-election coalition with the SNP | :12:54. | :13:01. | |
and so have the Lib Dems so who is going to be in this coalition? | :13:02. | :13:03. | |
Vince Cable said he was looking towards a possible coalition trying | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
to stop a Conservative government. Is not the leader of the Lib Dems. | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
He's an important voice in the Lib Dems. Who will be in it? Let's see | :13:09. | :13:15. | |
because of the Conservative Party is not re-elected with a strong | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
majority, what will happen? There will be a coalition stopping us | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
doing the things we need to do. Who will be in it? It will be a | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
coalition of the Labour Party, the SNP and the Liberal party. They have | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
ruled it out. I think they would not rule it out if that was the | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
situation. Like Theresa May not ruling out an election and then | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
changing her mind? The things the Prime Minister said were very clear, | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
once she had served Article 50 there was an opportunity, as we know | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
today, there is going to be the start of a new government formed in | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
France and in September we have the German elections. So it was quite | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
right that we didn't get ourselves boxed into a timetable. That is why | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
the Prime Minister took the view that they should be a general | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
election to give her full strength of an electoral mandate when it | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
comes to those negotiations. What about Mr Corbyn's plan for four new | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
bank holidays, good idea? I'm not... If we get Corbyn in No 10 Downing St | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
we will have a permanent bank holiday of the United Kingdom. We | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
will have fewer bank holidays of most other major nations, most about | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
major wealthy nations. What about at least one more? Well, look, he's | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
talked about four bank holidays. Today would be a bank holiday and | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
next Monday would be a bank holiday and the other week was a bank | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
holiday too. I don't think it's very well thought out. It sounded more to | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
me something like you get in school mock elections rather than proper | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
elections. Your party is the self-styled party of the workers and | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
you have no plans to give the workers even one extra bank holiday? | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
What we want to do is ensure Britain is a strong economy and building on | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
the jobs that we have created since 2010. We were told that by reducing | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
public expenditure unemployment in this country would go up, | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
unemployment has gone down and the number of jobs have gone up | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
substantially. But no more bank holidays? Well, we will make our | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
manifesto in due course but I don't think four bank holidays held in | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
April, March and November are very attractive to people. When Ed | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
Miliband as leader of the Labour Party suggested the government | :15:27. | :15:35. | |
should control energy prices by capping them, the Conservatives | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
described that as almost Communist and central planning. Do still take | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
that view? You'll see what we have to say on energy prices. I didn't | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
you about that, I asked you if you take the view... The Prime Minister | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
made a speech at the Conservative Spring conference in which she | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
outlined her dissatisfaction about people who are kept locked on a | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
standard tariff and those are the issues we will address in the next | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
few weeks when the manifesto was published. | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
Would that be an act of communism? You will need to see what we say | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
when we set out the policies. It could be. You could put a Communist | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
act into your manifesto? I don't think you'll find a Communist | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
manifesto in a Conservative manifesto which will be launched... | :16:23. | :16:25. | |
You are planning to control prices? We will address what we think is | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
unfairness in the energy market. Mr Jeremy Corbyn was reluctant this | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
morning to sanction a drone strike. You heard us talking about it | :16:34. | :16:40. | |
earlier against the leader of Islamic State if our intelligence | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
services identified him. What would it achieve? When the Prime Minister | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
gets certain advice in the national interests, she has to act been that. | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
We've seen with Theresa May in her time as Home Secretary and Prime | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
Minister, she's not afraid to take those very difficult decisions. What | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
we say this morning from Jeremy Corbyn was a his tans, a reluctance. | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
I don't think that serves the country well. What would it achieve | :17:05. | :17:11. | |
if we take out the head of Islamic State he's replaced by somebody | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
else. It brings their organisation into difficulties. It undermines | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
their organisation. It shows we'll take every measure to undo an | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
organisation which has organised terrorism in different parts of | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
Europe, the UK. I think it is absolutely right the Prime Minister | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
is prepared to take those kind of measures. Jeremy Corbyn said he | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
wasn't prepared to take that. Because he wasn't sure what it would | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
achieve. The Obama administration launched hundreds of drone strikes | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
in various war zones and we in the west are still under attack on a | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
regular basis. Mr Corbyn's basis was what would it achieve? It would | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
achieve a safer position for the UK overall. The war on terrorists. But | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
the Westminster attack, Paris has just been attacked again? There's | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
been attacks which have been stopped by the intelligence services. We | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
must do all we can to support them. The question was about drone | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
strikes. Whether it is drone strikes or other action, we have to be | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
prepared to act. Let's move on to Brexit. It is the major reason the | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
Prime Minister's called the election? Not the only within but | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
the main reason? It is one of the reasons. Now we start the two-year | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
negotiations and then a year afterwards. Also the way in which | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
certain people said they would try to use in the House of Lords or | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
House of Commons to prevent us making progress. I think you'll put | :18:41. | :18:47. | |
in your manifesto, it is the Government's policy, the Brexit | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
negotiating position will be no more freedom of movement. Leave the | :18:54. | :19:00. | |
single market and no longer under the jurisdiction Europe. You expect | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
every Tory MP to fight on that manifesto. What will you do with Ken | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
Clarke and Anna? They will have fought on their manifesto. They will | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
understand the Prime Minister has the authority of the ballot box | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
behind them. Will they fight the election on these positions? I'm | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
sure they'll fight the election supporting the election of a | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
Conservative Government and it's manifesto will quite clearly set | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
out... You know they're against these positions. Ken Clarke has a | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
prod tradition of expressing a certain view. Overall, the party's | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
manifesto, it is not just individuals like Ken Clarke, it is | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
what happens as far as the House of Lords are concerned, people said | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
they'd use the House of Lords to prevent certain measures. You're the | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
party chairman, will it be possible for people like Ken Clarke to fight | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
this election under the Conservative ticket without sub describing to all | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
-- subscribing to all of these Brexit conditions? Ken Clarke will | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
fight as Conservative candidates. That wasn't my question. I know | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
that. Will they be allowed to fight it on their own ticket and not | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
subscribe to what is in your manifesto? The manifesto will be | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
what the Conservative Party fights the General Election on. There will | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
always be cases where people have had different views on different | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
parts of the manifesto. That will be the guiding principles for the | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
party. Philip Hammond says your election promises in 2015, in your | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
manifesto not to raise taxes tied his hands when it came to managing | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
the economy. Do you agree with him? No. The simple fact is we have to do | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
the best things for the economy. We'll set out in our manifesto in a | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
few weeks' time, what the policies will be for the next Parliament. Can | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
I clarify, you don't agree with your Chancellor? What Philip was saying | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
was some of the areas we wants to address as Chancellor, what the | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
party will do, it will set out all the issues we're fighting on. It | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
will set out clearly the choice we have in this country. That's the | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
important thing. Let me put the question to you again. Philip | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
Hammond said this week your election promise in 2015 not to raise taxes | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
had tied his hands when it came to managing the economy. I ask you, do | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
you agree with him? You said no. Philip expressed his view as to what | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
he would like. What I'm saying is in a few weeks' time we'll set the | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
manifesto which will set the policies, agreed with the the | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
Cabinet. He's Chancellor. Doesn't he determine what the economic part of | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
the manifesto is? We'll talk about that in due course. Will you have a | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
lock on the taxes that you locked in 2015 on income tax, VAT, national | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
insurance? That will be decided. You'll see that when we publish the | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
manifesto in a few weeks' time. Will you rule out the possibility taxes | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
may have to rise under a future Conservative Party? Conservative | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
Government. We've taken four million people out of tax. Now, on average, | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
people are paying ?1200 less tax than they were on the same salaries | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
in 2010. I'm very provide of that. I can assure you, the Conservative | :22:28. | :22:29. | |
Party will want to see taxes reduced. It is the Labour Party | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
which will put up taxes. We have the evidence where this he did so. | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
Council tax went up by over 100%. You haven't reduced the tax burden | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
as a percentage of the GDP is now going to reach its highest level | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
since the mid-180s which was when Conservatives were in power. The tax | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
burden in this country under your Government is rising? We've more | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
people paying taxes which is something, because we've a growing | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
economy and more people... What about the tax band? You said you | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
reduced the tax burden on your own Government's figures is rising? We | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
have reduced the tax burden. The threshold at which people start | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
paying. These are tax rates not the tax burden. It is rising. The tax | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
rates have been reduced. You said tax burden. Perhaps I misspoke. Tax | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
rates have been reduced. We'll leave it there. No doubt we'll speak again | :23:29. | :23:36. | |
between now and June Is France now about to make it | :23:37. | :23:37. | |
a hat-trick of shocks The prospect terrifies | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
the governing elite in Paris. But they're no less scared | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
in Brussels and Berlin, given what it could mean | :23:46. | :23:47. | |
for the whole EU project, never mind the huge potential impact | :23:48. | :23:49. | |
on our own Brexit negotiations. 11 candidates are contesting | :23:50. | :24:09. | |
the first round of the presidential Only the top two will go forward | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
to the run-off on May 7th. For the first time since General De | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
Gaulle created the fifth Republic in 1958, it's perfectly possible that | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
no candidate from the ruling parties of the centre-left or the | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
centre-right will even make it The election has been dominated by | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
the hard right in the shape of the who's never been elected | :24:31. | :24:37. | |
to anything and only started his own party | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
a few months ago. And the far left in the form | :24:45. | :24:46. | |
of Jean-Luc Melenchon, a former Trotskyite who has surged | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
in the final weeks of the campaign. The only candidate left from the | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
traditional governing parties is the centre-right's | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
Francois Fillon and he's been struggling to stay in | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
the race ever since it was revealed that his Welsh wife was being paid | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
at generous public expense for a job I've just come across | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
this magazine cover and it kind of sums up the mood | :25:08. | :25:22. | |
of the French people. It's got the five main candidates | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
for President here but it calls them the biggest liar, the biggest cheat, | :25:26. | :25:28. | |
the biggest traitor, the most paranoid, the biggest demagogue, | :25:29. | :25:31. | |
and it says they are the winners The four leading candidates, | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
Le Pen, Melenchon, Macron and Fillon, or in with a chance | :25:35. | :25:44. | |
of making it to the second round. Only a couple of points separates | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
them in the polls, Frankly, no one has a clue what's | :25:49. | :25:50. | |
going to happen. Of the four, there is a feeling that | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
two of them may be President But the two of them may not find | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
themselves in the second round. Somebody said to me that the man or | :26:03. | :26:15. | |
woman on the Paris Metro has as much a chance of knowing | :26:16. | :26:28. | |
who will win as the greatest experts Because the more expert you are | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
the more you may be wrong. The country has largely | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
stagnated for over a decade. One in ten are unemployed, | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
one in four if you are unlucky Like Britain in the '70s there is | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
the pervasive stench There are three keywords that come | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
to mind. Anger, anger at the elite, and in | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
particular the political elite. And an element of | :26:59. | :27:05. | |
nostalgia for the past. These three words were decisive | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
in the Brexit referendum. They are decisive in | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
the French election. Identity and security has been | :27:16. | :27:26. | |
as important in this election France is a proud nation, it worries | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
about its future in Europe It seems bereft of ideas about how | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
to deal with its largely Muslim migrant population, huge chunks of | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
which are increasingly divorced It is quite simply exhausted by | :27:43. | :27:45. | |
the never-ending Islamist terrorist attacks, the latest only days before | :27:46. | :27:56. | |
voting in the iconic heart of this If Fillon or Macron emerge | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
victorious then there will be continuity of sorts, though Fillon | :28:00. | :28:10. | |
will struggle to implement his Thatcherite agenda and Macron will | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
not be able to count on the support of the French parliament, the | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
National Assembly, for his reforms. But if it's Le Pen or Jean-Luc | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
Melenchon then all bets are off. Both are hardline French | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
nationalists, anti the euro, anti the European Union, anti-fiscal | :28:28. | :28:30. | |
discipline, anti the market, Either in the Elysee Palace | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
would represent an existential Brexit would simply become | :28:34. | :28:42. | |
a sideshow, the negotiations could just peter out as Brussels | :28:43. | :28:51. | |
and Berlin had bigger fish to fry. We're joined now from | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
Paris by the journalist 8th Welcome to the programme. | :28:56. | :29:07. | |
Overshadowing the voting today was yet another appalling terrorist | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
attack in Paris on Thursday night. Do we have any indications of how | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
that's playing into the election? That initially people thought this | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
has been almost foiled in that the police were there as a ramp up. One | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
policeman was killed. But the terrorist did not spray the crowd | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
with bullets. It was seen as not having much of an effect on the | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
election. This has changed. We now know the policeman who was killed, a | :29:37. | :29:43. | |
young man about to the promoted, he was at the Bataclan the night of the | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
terror attack. He was a fighter for LGBT rights. The fact he was | :29:49. | :29:55. | |
promoted, happy within his job, he has this fresh face. Sudden, he's | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
one of us. It took perhaps 48 hours for the French to process this. But | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
now they're angry and this may actually change the game, at least | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
at the margins. To whose advantage? I would say the two who might | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
benefit from this are Marine Le Pen, she's been absolutely | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
anti-immigration, anti-anything. And made no bones about it as she | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
immediately made rather strange announcement in which she'd said if | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
she'd been president none of the terror attacks which happened in | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
France would have happened. Francois Fillon has written a book two years | :30:37. | :30:44. | |
ago called Combating Islamic Terrorism he's has an organised plan | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
in his manifesto. Unlike Emmanuel Macron who stumbled when he was | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
asked the evening this happened what he thought, he said, I can't dream | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
up an anti-terror programme overnight. The question, of course, | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
that arrows was this is not the sort of thing that's just happened | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
overnight. It's been unfortunately the fate of France for many years. | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
Let me ask you this finally, what ever the outcome on May 7th in the | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
second round, who ever wins, would it be fair to say French politics | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
will never be the same again? Yes. Absolutely it's a very strange | :31:22. | :31:24. | |
thing. People have no become really excited about this. You cannot go | :31:25. | :31:28. | |
anywhere without people discussing heatedly this election. The anger | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
that was described is very accurate. Very true. There was this feeling as | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
for the Brexit voters and the Trump voters, vast parts of the people | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
were being talked down to by people who despised them. This has to | :31:44. | :31:50. | |
change. If it doesn't change, we cannot predict what the future will | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
be. We'll know the results or at least the ex-the Poll London time | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
tonight at 8.00pm. Thank for joining us from the glorious heart of your | :32:01. | :32:02. | |
city. Now, the Green Party currently has | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
one MP and they'll be contesting many more seats in June | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
as well as hoping to increase their presence on councils in | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
the local elections on 4th May. Launching their campaign | :32:13. | :32:14. | |
on Thursday, co-leader Caroline Lucas made | :32:15. | :32:16. | |
a pitch to younger voters. When it comes to young | :32:17. | :32:18. | |
people they've been But one crucial way they've been | :32:19. | :32:20. | |
betrayed is by what this generation and this government and the previous | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
ones have been doing when it comes We know we had the hottest year | :32:26. | :32:28. | |
on record last year, you know, you almost think what else does | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
the environment need to be doing All the signs are there | :32:34. | :32:35. | |
and it is young people who are going to be bearing | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
the brunt of a wrecked environment and that's why it's so important | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
that when we come to making that pitch to, yes, the country at large | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
but to young people in particular, I think climate change, | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
the environment, looking after our precious resources, | :32:49. | :32:50. | |
has to be up there. And I'm joined now by the Green | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
MEP, Molly Scott Cato. Welcome back to the programme. | :32:56. | :33:09. | |
Promised to scrap university tuition fees, increase NHS funding, rollback | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
cuts to local councils spending, how much would that cost and how would | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
you pay for it? Like the other parties we haven't got a costed | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
manifesto yet, it's only a few days since the election was announced so | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
I will come back and explain the figures. You don't know? Like every | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
party we have not produced accosted manifesto yet, we produced one last | :33:28. | :33:33. | |
time but public spending figures have changed so we're not in a | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
position to do that but we will be in a week or so. What taxes would | :33:37. | :33:41. | |
you like to consider raising? We would consider having higher taxes | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
for the better off in society. I think we need to increase the amount | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
of tax wealthier people pay. How do you define better off? I'm not | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
entirely clear what the precise number would be but I think 100,000 | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
people would pay a bit more, 150,000 quite considerably more but the real | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
focus needs to be on companies avoiding paying taxes. I work on | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
that a lot in my role in the European Parliament, we see an | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
enormous amount of tax avoidance by companies moving profits from | :34:10. | :34:12. | |
country to country and we need European corporation to make that | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
successful. It has not made much difference yet. We have made lots of | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
changes. Google turned over $1 billion and only paid 25 million in | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
taxes last year. There was a significant fine introduced by the | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
competition commission on Apple and in the case of Google we must change | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
the laws so that people cannot move profits from country to country. | :34:35. | :34:40. | |
Everybody wants to do it. But you couldn't face a big spending | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
programme on the ability to do that. You'd have to increase other taxes. | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
If you look at the cost of free student tuition, tuition fees and | :34:48. | :34:50. | |
also maintenance grants to students, that would come in at about 10 | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
billion a year. One way of paying for that would be to remove the | :34:55. | :34:57. | |
upper threshold on National Insurance, bringing in 20 billion a | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
year, that's the order of magnitude we are talking about. It is not | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
vast, and some of the proposals we have... That would be an increase on | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
the better of tax? National Insurance on people earning... | :35:10. | :35:16. | |
People earning above 42,000. You would have another 10% tax above | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
42,000? I can't remember exactly how much the National Insurance rate | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
changes by. But in government figures it would be 28 billion | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
raised. I think it is up to 45, a bit more you pay a marginal rate of | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
40%, you would have them pay a marginal rate of over 50%? We would | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
put the National Insurance rate on higher incomes the same as it is on | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
lower incomes. If you are a school head of an English department on 50, | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
60,000 a year you would face a marginal rate under U of over 50%? | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
It is not useful to do this as a mental maths exercise but if you | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
look at other proposals would could have a landlord licensing system, | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
longer term leases on properties, so young people particularly, but also | :36:02. | :36:04. | |
older people who rent, could have more security which needn't cost | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
anything. We could insist on landlords paying for that. The | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
mental arithmetic seems clear but we will come back to that. How is the | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
Progressive Alliance coming? It is going well, I have heard of a lot of | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
interest at local level. Winterset this in contest, context, lots of | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
progressives are concerned about the crisis in public services, prisons, | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
social care system, and also about the Tories' hard extreme Brexit they | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
are threatening. You want the left to come together? Theresa May has | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
given us opportunity, she has taken a risk because she has problems with | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
backbenchers, she doesn't think she can get through Brexit with a small | :36:42. | :36:44. | |
majority so there is an opportunity and we are saying progressives must | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
come together to corporate, Conservatives are effective at using | :36:49. | :36:50. | |
the first-past-the-post system and we have to become effective as well. | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
Do you accept this Progressive Alliance cannot become the | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
government and Mr Corbyn is the Prime Minister? How could it happen | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
otherwise? I think that is a secondary question. For me the | :37:04. | :37:06. | |
primary question is who do people choose to vote for? Aluminium | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
government afterwards comes after the election. In most countries that | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
is the case. I understand that but we have the system we have and you | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
accept this Progressive Alliance cannot be in power and thus mystical | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
Burmese Prime Minister? Personally I think Mr Corbyn is less of a threat | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
to the country than Theresa May, she has shown herself to be an | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
authoritarian leader and she has said she doesn't want to have | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
dissidents, which I would say is reasonable opposition, and what we | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
are suggesting at the moment is there is a way of avoiding that very | :37:37. | :37:38. | |
hard Brexit and damage to public services. You'd be happy to pay the | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
price of having Mr Corbyn as Prime Minister? I do not see that as a | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
price. People have the choice of Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May as | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
Prime Minister, that's the system that works. You would prefer Mr | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
Corbyn? I would but votes are translated into seats and the | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
Progressive Alliance is a step towards that. | :37:58. | :37:59. | |
It's just gone 3:50pm, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :38:00. | :38:01. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, Wales | :38:02. | :38:03. | |
and Northern Ireland who leave us now. | :38:04. | :38:04. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead. | :38:05. | :38:17. | |
I'm Nina Warhurst, in Battleground North West, | :38:18. | :38:19. | |
where there are more marginals than anywhere else. | :38:20. | :38:21. | |
Visits from three leaders in four days. | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
Whoever wins those seats will win the election. | :38:25. | :38:26. | |
We've got so many marginals in this region that, you know, | :38:27. | :38:29. | |
you won't be able to escape politicians for several weeks now. | :38:30. | :38:37. | |
And if that doesn't excite you, perhaps this week's guests will. | :38:38. | :38:39. | |
Debbie Abrahams is the Labour MP for Oldham East and Saddleworth and | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary, David Rutley the Conservative MP | :38:43. | :38:44. | |
for Macclesfield, and John Pugh the Liberal Democrat for Southport. | :38:45. | :38:54. | |
Who saw that coming? We had a nice Easter weekend and then choose the | :38:55. | :39:04. | |
morning came. It wasn't expected on Monday morning but I think it was | :39:05. | :39:07. | |
the right decision. I have spoken to people in Macclesfield over the last | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
few days but I didn't expect the timing. I knew it wasn't going to go | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
to 2020 but it is disappointing that the Prime Minister decided to be | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
really politically opportunistic. She has failed to get the terms | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
around Brexit negotiation and this is seen as a party's best chance. We | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
will come shortly to whether it is opportunism. I can only assume there | :39:33. | :39:41. | |
is an ulterior motive. Maybe it is the expenses scandal from the last | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
general election, I think 30 Conservative MPs are under | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
investigation. Or maybe very tough decisions about to be made on the | :39:52. | :40:01. | |
NHS, and the best way to make those decisions is to call a general | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
election, get a big majority and go from there. | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
The Prime Minister, Theresa May, bobbed to Bolton on Wednesday, | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
a town with one of our closest marginal seats, to | :40:12. | :40:13. | |
There's no one definition of a marginal, but it can be | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
considered a seat with a majority of less than 11%. | :40:18. | :40:19. | |
That means a swing of 5.5% or less from the current MP to its nearest | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
challenger would see it change hands. | :40:26. | :40:26. | |
Here are the seats the Conservatives will be targeting. | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
Chester, where that 0.2% difference translates to just 93 votes. | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
Wirral West, where they were surprised to lose | :40:35. | :40:36. | |
A bit further down there's Southport, John's constituency. | :40:37. | :40:43. | |
Look towards the bottom, Ivan Lewis's seat Bury South | :40:44. | :40:45. | |
They've both been Labour since they swung that way in 1997. | :40:46. | :40:54. | |
Labour will of course want to hold on to those seats, | :40:55. | :40:57. | |
but here are the areas they'll be hoping to gain. | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
Bury North, that's David Nuttall's seat and has just 1% in it. | :41:01. | :41:02. | |
Bolton West, which was a 2015 gain for the Conservatives. | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
Almost all the rest swung to the Conservatives | :41:06. | :41:07. | |
And we will be looking closely at the Lib Dem targets shortly. | :41:08. | :41:15. | |
Why did the Prime Minister head to the North West the moment | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
Well, it wasn't by chance, as Gill Dummigan explains. | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
Smiles on stand-by and slogans at the ready, a carefully compiled | :41:25. | :41:26. | |
crowd was every bit as enthusiastic as the PM would have | :41:27. | :41:29. | |
Thank you for that great north-western welcome and it's great | :41:30. | :41:36. | |
to be here in Bolton, fresh from the House of Commons, | :41:37. | :41:38. | |
fresh from winning a vote in the House of Commons which has | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
approved my decision to hold a general election | :41:42. | :41:44. | |
As Theresa May was whisked back to Westminster, | :41:45. | :41:53. | |
experts predicted many more high-profile visits. | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
The north-west will decide the election. | :41:57. | :41:57. | |
We've got more marginal seats here in the north-west | :41:58. | :41:59. | |
than any other in England and all the parties can have some | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
Remember that Labour captured some Conservative marginals in 2015 | :42:04. | :42:08. | |
Equally, the Conservatives took seats of Labour, like Bolton West. | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
You won't be able to escape politicians for several weeks now. | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
Marginals that include one of the closest in the country. | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
The Conservatives would need to peel away just 47 votes from Labour | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
It is hard at the minute but I have got faith that | :42:23. | :42:29. | |
It's that 2% that might be able to catch me. | :42:30. | :42:41. | |
And if the Conservatives here want to fight for that vote, | :42:42. | :42:43. | |
the local MP says he is already one page ahead of them. | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
I am in permanent campaign mode anyway. | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
Over the weekend I was talking to constituents, knocking | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
But in a shoot-out between the party leaders, | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
who would they support back in Bolton? | :42:59. | :43:01. | |
I'm going for Theresa May because, like she says, he can only lead | :43:02. | :43:08. | |
a political demonstration but he can't lead his party. | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
I definitely think he relates closely to, you know, | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
I think she's a strong leader, not just because she's a woman, | :43:20. | :43:26. | |
but she's strong, and I think she'll do country well. | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
Labour, but then obviously it depends on issues | :43:32. | :43:33. | |
Those are my main two priority things. | :43:34. | :43:40. | |
All the parties have until the 8th of June to get voters | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
2015, you won three, lost three. What can people go to breakthrough | :43:44. | :44:02. | |
in the north-west this time? The north-west is important and we are | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
fighting every single seat. I am pleased the Prime Minister came. All | :44:07. | :44:09. | |
of the country is important for us. We will fight for every seat and | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
every vote because we want to make sure we have the strongest | :44:14. | :44:21. | |
leadership we have. She talks about leadership, Brexit, stability, but | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
in places like Chester where they have recently set up a poverty | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
commission in Wirral, they are easier targets, people are just | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
about managing. Things are moving well in general terms across the | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
north-west. We have a massive improvement in employment across the | :44:41. | :44:47. | |
country. 2.8 million jobs created since 2010. Are you not concerned of | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
those people in those marginals are struggling? We have to have jobs and | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
that's why we have to have a strong economy and that's why we are | :44:58. | :44:59. | |
pushing to get Theresa May re-elected with an increased | :45:00. | :45:10. | |
majority. The Prime Minister has called this to get an increase | :45:11. | :45:19. | |
mandate. Your plan is to stand down. The parties are fighting for a | :45:20. | :45:26. | |
different kind of Brexit. There is enthusiasm for the general election | :45:27. | :45:34. | |
Liberal Democrats. We had 10,000 new members since the election was | :45:35. | :45:41. | |
called, 1.6 million in donations. We are not suggesting that we renege on | :45:42. | :45:48. | |
their original decision that the public made but that there is proper | :45:49. | :45:56. | |
scrutiny. Beyond Brexit, people will ask who is Tim Farron? Every Lib Dem | :45:57. | :46:04. | |
leader in history has only got well known during the course of a general | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
election. People will learn a lot about him and they will like what | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
they learn. We will speak to you shortly, Debbie. | :46:15. | :46:16. | |
Well, the Labour leader was also here yesterday. | :46:17. | :46:19. | |
"Jezza for PM" if you didn't catch that. | :46:20. | :46:21. | |
Jeremy Corbyn started his day with a bit of phone bashing | :46:22. | :46:23. | |
in Manchester before heading to Warrington and Crewe, | :46:24. | :46:25. | |
two of those areas we've mentioned as marginal seats. | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
But not all his party are as supportive as Debbie Abrahams. | :46:29. | :46:31. | |
With apologies for the sound, here's what the MP for Barrow | :46:32. | :46:33. | |
and Furness, John Woodcock, said on Facebook this week. | :46:34. | :46:36. | |
I am intending to seek renomination from my local Labour | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
and co-operative parties to be their official | :46:43. | :46:44. | |
candidate but I will not countenance ever voting to make | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
Jeremy Corbyn Britain's Prime Minister. | :46:49. | :46:59. | |
He said he doesn't believe Jeremy can be the Prime Minister. He says | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
he doesn't believe Jeremy Corbyn believes he can be Prime Minister. | :47:05. | :47:10. | |
How do you win seats like those when people across the Labour Party are | :47:11. | :47:13. | |
not bind the leader? The point you made when you were asking David just | :47:14. | :47:20. | |
all about what this means and what seven years of austerity means to | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
the country, is so important. That would be my response. Our economy is | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
not working in the north-west. It is doing well in London and the South. | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
How can you sort out their economy when you can't sort out your own | :47:35. | :47:39. | |
party? There are a few MPs who haven't necessarily supported | :47:40. | :47:49. | |
Jeremy. As few? It is a vocal few. He is a very principled and decent | :47:50. | :47:55. | |
man. Have a look at the policy platform that we have which is so | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
progress of which is about reaching out to all parts of the country and | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
all people, particularly people on low and middle incomes who have been | :48:05. | :48:11. | |
dealt a bad blow by this government. We have women and children living in | :48:12. | :48:20. | |
poverty. One into -- on in two in my constituency. People will say that | :48:21. | :48:29. | |
Labour MPs to not trust Jeremy Corbyn to lead the party. You're | :48:30. | :48:38. | |
making a generalisation. We had a constructive PLP meeting. | :48:39. | :48:49. | |
You're making a case but are you couldn't have a picture of Jeremy | :48:50. | :48:55. | |
Corbyn in your literature? I am planning mine. It's our ton a simple | :48:56. | :49:09. | |
question. How is it in the national interest to be calling an election | :49:10. | :49:15. | |
at this time? To strengthen the government's hadn't in our | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
negotiations. It will not make the blindest difference. I would agree | :49:21. | :49:27. | |
that Jeremy Corbyn is a very decent man and normally the question is | :49:28. | :49:35. | |
whether a good Leader of the Opposition become a good Prime | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
Minister. Nobody is saying he is even a good Leader of the | :49:40. | :49:40. | |
Opposition. I think he is not. Two years ago the Liberal Democrats | :49:41. | :49:49. | |
lost four of their six Since then they've appointed one | :49:50. | :49:52. | |
of our Cumbria MPs as leader, Tim Farron meeting excited | :49:53. | :49:56. | |
party members here. This week he visited the Manchester | :49:57. | :49:58. | |
seats of Withington, one of those they lost, | :49:59. | :50:00. | |
and Gorton, as he got his party's So can they regain Withington | :50:01. | :50:03. | |
as well as seats like The daffodils have all | :50:04. | :50:06. | |
but disappeared on the green in Chorlton but could a yellow | :50:07. | :50:16. | |
revival be on the way? If it is then the Lib Dems must win | :50:17. | :50:18. | |
constituencies like this, Manchester Withington, | :50:19. | :50:21. | |
for two key reasons. Firstly this is a seat they held | :50:22. | :50:23. | |
until just two years ago and secondly this is largely | :50:24. | :50:25. | |
pro-EU, pro-Remain territory. Uneven surfaces are often just | :50:26. | :50:34. | |
as dangerous as potholes. No matter how uneven they may be, | :50:35. | :50:36. | |
John Leech isn't wasting any time He was the MP for this | :50:37. | :50:39. | |
seat from 2005 to 2015, The polls are not really a sure | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
thing for you, are they? I don't pay too much attention | :50:44. | :50:51. | |
to the polls but the polls Labour are going down, | :50:52. | :50:54. | |
the Liberal Democrats are going up. That is all good news for us | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
in Manchester Withington. His Labour opponent has | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
been out and about, too. They're not helping | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
the area at all, are they? Theresa May has called this election | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
because she wants a big majority so she can carry on with more cuts | :51:08. | :51:10. | |
to the NHS, schools Manchester faces a ?300 million | :51:11. | :51:13. | |
per year cut in our budget because of the Lib Dem support | :51:14. | :51:17. | |
for the Tory government. Ron's been cutting hair | :51:18. | :51:24. | |
here for nearly half a century. What do his customers care | :51:25. | :51:26. | |
about in this election? You think health, education will be | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
more important than perhaps Europe? Yeah, I think our | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
customers, health and... Europe is a thing | :51:35. | :51:39. | |
but your home matters. My parents grew up with Labour | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
but over the years I have seen the change with Labour, | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
how Labour has gone, and the Conservatives were more | :51:49. | :51:51. | |
appealing to what we wanted, the values that we | :51:52. | :51:53. | |
liked at that time. I have never really | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
looked into the policies This year I am not sure | :51:57. | :51:58. | |
because of Jeremy Corbyn. Around here it is that | :51:59. | :52:06. | |
Lib Dem/Labour battle, then. But not that far away, | :52:07. | :52:10. | |
Tim Farron's team have Tory Two years ago it turned Tory, | :52:11. | :52:13. | |
along with neighbouring Hazel Grove. The Lib Dems need these seats back | :52:14. | :52:22. | |
but it could be tricky. Normally I vote Conservative | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
and I probably will this time. Yeah, I would vote Ukip, | :52:26. | :52:35. | |
to be honest, for this country. Most of the seats where | :52:36. | :52:42. | |
the Liberal Democrats are in a good second place are actually facing | :52:43. | :52:45. | |
Conservatives. We have a very good chance | :52:46. | :52:46. | |
of winning back a whole raft of seats that were lost | :52:47. | :52:49. | |
to the Tories but in seats where the Liberal Democrats | :52:50. | :52:52. | |
are fighting Labour I think we have a very strong message, | :52:53. | :52:54. | |
particularly in areas that voted They put the cat among the pigeons | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
in 2010 but will relying on Remain-supporters be enough | :52:58. | :53:04. | |
to make voters here pick You said you don't want to work | :53:05. | :53:21. | |
through the nightmare chaos of the exit of the next Parliament? It is a | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
very unattractive menu. Is this not when your party needs you most? I | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
have personal reasons for sending down but I think if I came back I | :53:32. | :53:41. | |
would be part of a larger corporate of Lib Dem MPs. People have seen a | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
true Conservative government now and they know the difference between | :53:48. | :53:54. | |
that and the coalition. Do you think you have been forgiven? I think | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
people understand things like the pupil premium. The Lib Dems did a | :54:00. | :54:02. | |
lot of good things. We are having a debate of the triple lock now. | :54:03. | :54:08. | |
People have to remember that was introduced by a Lib Dem minister. | :54:09. | :54:19. | |
When you look at places like Cheadle and Manchester Withington, these | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
places voted to stay in the EU, Liberal Democrat party line is about | :54:23. | :54:28. | |
another referendum. Ironically this election which is supposed to | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
increase the mandate leaves you vulnerable in places like that. | :54:33. | :54:38. | |
Speaking to colleagues in Cheadle and his Grove, they're not seeing a | :54:39. | :54:41. | |
surge in Liberal Democrat support there. They would say that. When I | :54:42. | :54:48. | |
have been out there is no major search in Liberal Democrats. Explain | :54:49. | :54:56. | |
the additional members. I am genuinely not seeing a surge. These | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
need much of an improvement. In his need much of an improvement. In his | :55:03. | :55:09. | |
growth as well. The Lib Dems have a lot of ground to make up and any | :55:10. | :55:13. | |
vote that goes for them anyway, they can't form a government. It will | :55:14. | :55:20. | |
have to form a coalition of chaos. We were talking about the health and | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
social care act of 2012. A devastating impact, part of the | :55:26. | :55:29. | |
problems we're seeing now with the NHS and care crisis, they relate | :55:30. | :55:36. | |
back to that bill and that was a Lib Dem... In terms of 3 billion spent | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
in reorganisation is being backtracked. You would be spending | :55:42. | :55:48. | |
the same. We would want to make sure there was integration between health | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
and social care about that structural reorganisation. The NHS | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
has had enough of that. In Manchester we are going to provide a | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
way to achieve that. You delegated to earlier and less than the actual | :56:04. | :56:12. | |
costs. That is duplicitous. How can we trust this government? You let | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
the NHS town by billions of pounds he had in debt. ?2.45 billion, the | :56:18. | :56:24. | |
highest level of debt the NHS compared to 300 million when we were | :56:25. | :56:32. | |
in power. He ran out of money in 2009. The conservative solution is | :56:33. | :56:39. | |
quite clear in the stability and information plans which were | :56:40. | :56:41. | |
revealed last year and then heaven away. They involve eroding A in my | :56:42. | :56:50. | |
constituency and others. Massive reconfiguration taking place after | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
the general election. We have a lower level as a percent of GDP | :56:56. | :57:04. | |
spent on NHS in 1997. The previous Labour government... We have seen a | :57:05. | :57:12. | |
?10 billion investment in the NHS. Let's be practical. These are | :57:13. | :57:17. | |
national issues. If we are talking about marginal seats where you want | :57:18. | :57:30. | |
to get red ones on the green seats, calling people who earn ?70,000 of | :57:31. | :57:35. | |
the rich, seven places Tory targets, they could swing that way. In terms | :57:36. | :57:44. | |
of corporation tax, the government is promising to reduce that to 17%, | :57:45. | :57:51. | |
it is already the lowest in the G-7. It shouldn't be about... There are | :57:52. | :58:00. | |
Tory targets winning to Labour in 1997 under Gordon Brown and Tony | :58:01. | :58:06. | |
Blair. Does he not need to be targeting the middle ground, Jeremy | :58:07. | :58:16. | |
Corbyn? We need to make sure across low and middle income groups, we | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
have an offer for them. It is low and middle income houses that have | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
been affected. I will be making the case, as will all my other | :58:26. | :58:32. | |
colleagues. Levels of wages are the loyalists since the recession. The | :58:33. | :58:37. | |
former Shadow Chancellor has said that Labour's plans would lead to a | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
doubling of national insurance and council tax and VAT. Not a promising | :58:43. | :58:47. | |
start. We will have a fully costed plan. It is an double. We have one | :58:48. | :58:55. | |
in seven pensioners living in Baba Thiam to your government. The | :58:56. | :59:00. | |
highest level of end work poverty we have ever had. Nearly one million | :59:01. | :59:07. | |
zero hour contracts. One in three of my constituents are less than the | :59:08. | :59:11. | |
living wage. Why should people vote Lib Dem? We need an honest debate on | :59:12. | :59:18. | |
taxation. What the discussion has revealed is that there is a gap in | :59:19. | :59:24. | |
NHS finances. We have to have an honest discussion about how taxation | :59:25. | :59:27. | |
will be raised to pay for it. We shouldn't treat people as fools. A | :59:28. | :59:34. | |
sensible confrontation with the true facts. | :59:35. | :59:35. | |
Let's remind ourselves of some of what's happened in the first few | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
George Osborne is standing down after 16 years as MP for Tatton. | :59:40. | :59:47. | |
The former Chancellor is about to start his new role as editor | :59:48. | :59:49. | |
of the London Evening Standard but could be back. | :59:50. | :59:55. | |
I might be leaving the House of Commons for now but I haven't | :59:56. | :59:58. | |
given up on those values of openness, tolerance, diversity, | :59:59. | :00:01. | |
enterprise which make this country so great. | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
The Liverpool mayor Joe Anderson announced he'd | :00:06. | :00:09. | |
The current MP, Steve Rotheram, is running for mayor | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
Meanwhile, greater Manchester's mayoral candidates slugged it out | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
in a debate for BBC North West Tonight. | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
Labour's Andy Burnham then said he is standing down as MP for Leigh. | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
Simon Danczuk said he expects to defend his Rochdale | :00:27. | :00:28. | |
He was suspended by the party after exchanging lewd | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
And Gorton's getting in line with the rest of the country. | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
The by-election there following the death | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
of Sir Gerald Kaufman has been put back to general election day. | :00:41. | :01:01. | |
Though hear from candidates from other parties, including Ukip and | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
the Green Party, over the next few weeks. | :01:07. | :01:07. | |
And next week we'll have the candidates for mayor | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
on issues like the NHS. Run out of time. Andrew, back to you. | :01:10. | :01:18. | |
Now, Ukip have made their first significant policy announcement | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
of the election campaign today with a call for a ban on wearing | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
But is it a policy that will meet with the approval of the man | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
who bankrolled the party's last general election campaign? | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
Hello, Andrew. Let me see if I can clarify some things, are you a | :01:38. | :01:45. | |
member of Ukip? I a patron of Ukip so I don't stop being a member. So | :01:46. | :01:52. | |
you are still a member? I am, apparently for life. Are you still | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
hoping to bankroll Ukip? Not at the moment. Why is that? The internal | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
problems we have had in Ukip have been aired, and a lot needs to | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
happen in the party in terms of professionalising it and I think it | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
is ill-prepared for this general election. Are you going to run in | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
Clacton? I will be if selected. For Ukip? Yes. Have you been to Clacton? | :02:17. | :02:23. | |
I've been with Nigel Mansell on the campaign. You will run for a | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
constituency you've only been in once? Yes, why does that surprise | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
you? You know nothing about it. I've just recently decided to become the | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
candidate there. Did you know where it is? Of course I do, your piece | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
the other night was completely wrong. I said I knew where it was | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
but I didn't know much about it. Maybe the people of Clacton will | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
regard you as a carpetbagger? Why? Because you have never been there. | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
Most politicians are carpetbaggers and I will be there for the right | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
reasons. I thought it was because of your visceral hatred of Douglas | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
Carswell. He only lasted 24 hours after I announced my candidacy so we | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
will see what happens. The main thing I am going to Clacton on | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
Monday to meet the Ukip councillors, see what the issues are and see if | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
they want me as a candidate. They may not want me. Who do you think | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
you will be up against? The potential Conservative candidate. | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
Who in Ukip? I don't suppose anyone in Ukip will stand against me, I | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
wouldn't have thought. Really? I would have thought. Money talks! Why | :03:37. | :03:43. | |
do you say that? You talked about having a pirate radio station to | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
blast into Clacton so it is not covered by the election rules. | :03:48. | :03:49. | |
You've been talking about financing a sort of right-wing Momentum | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
movement. I just wonder, has politics now just become a | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
Richmond's hobby? From my perspective the reason I'm | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
interested in it is if you have looked at what has happened in the | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
country, it's clear the Conservatives will have a massive | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
majority. -- has politics become a rich man's hobby. Only putting up | :04:11. | :04:17. | |
candidates not against Brexit MPs. Is Ukip over? I don't think so. The | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
electoral maths is interesting because first-past-the-post | :04:24. | :04:25. | |
effectively could help Ukip in this example. Ukip got one MP with 4 | :04:26. | :04:36. | |
million votes. What we are seeing is the total collapse of Labour. In | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
that situation there are certain seats up north in Hartlepool and | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
other seats like that, the total collapse of the Labour Party could | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
help Ukip to win a few seats. Is Ukip over? It looks that way, yes. | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
They haven't made much of a dent in Labour's vote in the north, they | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
don't really have a defining issue anymore and all the polls we have | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
seen published since the election was called show Ukip vote is going | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
to the Conservatives. Is Ukip over? It always happens when the | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
Conservative Party goes far to the right, really hard Brexit, there is | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
no space for BMP, Ukip and all of that. Are you associating the BNP | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
with Ukip? Or that, movements to the right of the Conservatives get eaten | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
up one the Conservatives move as far right as Theresa May has done. I | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
think what your enterprise shows is how it's really time to reform | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
funding of political parties. It is disgraceful that very rich people | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
can move in and bankroll the Brexit campaigned to the extent that they | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
did. We need proper state funding of parties. The union is bankrolling | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
Labour. I assume the reform would include trade unions? Indeed. Ukip | :05:49. | :05:55. | |
has lost its talisman in Nigel Farage, it was a one-man party, I | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
have to say, people like Tim. Having voted for Brexit its reason to be | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
has gone. It will still take votes from Labour and the Conservatives | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
but probably only from the don't knows. There are seats in certain | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
places where if enough Tories back Ukip dated when. Hartlepool is an | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
example. Were the Tories will never win. The demise of Ukip has been | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
forecasted many times before but I don't see a Tory candidate winning | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
in a place like Hartlepool. So we could see, and I think we will see, | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
the total collapse of the Labour vote. We shall see. The leader of | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
the party of which you say you are still a patron, Paul Nuttall, said | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
he would ban the Burcea and the niqab in public, what is your view? | :06:39. | :06:46. | |
-- the niqab and the Burcea? I'm not in agreement with that. If it is a | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
security issue at airports or public transport it could be acceptable but | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
I'm not in favour of curtailing people's writes. You have gone | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
further than him, haven't you? You tweeted you wanted to ban Muslim | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
immigration. In my view the problem we have had with the lack of | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
integration in certain communities has come about through mass | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
open-door immigration. If you are a must win you wouldn't be allowed in? | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
What I said in the tweet was I think they should be a ban on | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
immigration... You said Muslim immigration. That's what I believe. | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
If you are a world famous doctor coming to help one of our big | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
teaching hospitals in this country because you are a Muslim you could | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
not get in? We have to start somewhere, there are huge problems | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
in areas where 20% of the population don't speak the language, they | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
haven't integrated. You should read the rest of the tweet, it is control | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
of immigration from a 10-year ban on unskilled immigration. The first | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
thing you said was to ban Muslim immigration, it is in black and | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
white. I have said that, I do not dispute that. I was questioning | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
that. There is my answer, you cannot tell somebody's will adjust freedoms | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
but what you can do is stop adding to the problem. Doesn't that sound a | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
bit like the BNP? It's as like BNP and like Trump. Its, we hate | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
Muslims, fine, if that is what you are standing for, that is clear. The | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
final word is we have had open-door mass immigration from the | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
Conservative Party, we've had it from the Labour Party and its fine | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
if you are in north London to say these things, if you live in Oldham | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
and your community has been radically changed and you have a | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
whole population not integrating in, not speaking the language, something | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
has got to be done. We had better leave it there. Thank you for coming | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
in. I am en route to Clacton. We will see how you get on there. | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
Now, Lib Dem leader Tim Farron was on TV earlier today | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
and he was asked again about an issue that he's been | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
asked about repeatedly - his attitude to homosexuality. | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
when they asked you whether gay sex was a sin. | :08:48. | :08:57. | |
Come on, Robert, I've been asked this question loads | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
few days and I have been clear, even in the House of Commons, | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
It's possible I'm not the only person getting tired | :09:04. | :09:13. | |
Probably, but then why don't you just close it down? | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
Toby Young, why does he get into such a mess over this? I mean, he is | :09:18. | :09:29. | |
leader of the Liberal Democrats. Its 2017. I guess the reason he keeps | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
refusing to answer that question is because what the implication is that | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
he does think that homosexual acts are sinful, and he cannot bring | :09:38. | :09:44. | |
himself not to say that, or to say what Robert Peston and others want | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
him to say because he is an evangelical Christian who converted | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
at the age of 20, 21, and clearly he really struggles with this issue and | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
I think it will be really difficult for the Lib Dems to promote, or even | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
Lib Dem candidates like Vince Cable, to promote the idea of the | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
Progressive Alliance even though Tim has ruled it out, if he is not | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
prepared to say I don't think homosexual acts are sinful. What is | :10:07. | :10:15. | |
your view? It is disastrous if that is what he really thinks but Preston | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
did not push the hard. I'm not sure he understood the difference about | :10:19. | :10:20. | |
the question between gay sex and being gay. I think he just thought | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
he was going on saying I'm not anti-gay. He needs to command | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
immediately and clarify it. If you are right and he does actually think | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
it is a sin he is in real trouble. There is a slight parallel with what | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
police said before about Jeremy Corbyn, how his unilateral nuclear | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
policy would appeal to the hard core of the left. The problem for Tim | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
Farron with what he is saying here, while he is an evangelical | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
Christian, this will not appeal to traditional Liberal Democrats. An | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
LGBT community member cannot possibly vote for an MP who believes | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
that a sexual act between homosexuals is sinful. He has not | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
made that clear. Of course, he wants to stop Brexit as well so he is | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
neither liberal nor democratic. He will have seven weeks to make it | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
clear because I am sure he will be asked again. We have the chairman of | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
the Conservative Party on earlier, Polly. An important figure for the | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
Tory campaign. What did you make of what he said? I don't think he will | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
have him on very often, he didn't do brilliantly. I think they will bring | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
back chemical Ali, Michael Fallon, he can say anything with a straight | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
face, he can say black is white. Michael Fallon, chemical Ali? Why do | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
you say that? He can absolutely say black is white. For instance if you | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
look back at what he said, you challenged him about the energy | :11:45. | :11:51. | |
policy, when Ed Miliband came out with it, he said any kind of freeze | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
would stop investment, the lights will go out. You have him on, he | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
will say the exact opposite. He is magic at that. But I don't think | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
your guy today was up to the job. If Michael Fallon was chemical Ali, or | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
we should say chemical Fally, Patrick was more like comical Ali. | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
The whole Iraq war is rushing back at me. He is the warm up comedian, | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
there is another six weeks to go, just getting things started. What | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
did you think? I don't think he was too bad, it was difficult for him to | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
say exactly what was in the 2050 manifesto is going to be replicated | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
in the Conservatives' manifesto during this general election, he | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
doesn't want to be seen rowing back on stuff but on the other hand I | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
don't think he can conceal the fact they will be far fewer commitments | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
in this Conservative manifesto than in the last one, as you and I know, | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
it was full of rash promises last time because they thought they would | :12:50. | :12:58. | |
have to trade a lot of them away in the negotiations with the Liberal | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
Democrats to form a second coalition so they are saddled with policies | :13:02. | :13:03. | |
they don't particularly want to be hemmed in by. The forthcoming | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
Conservative manifesto will be much lighter and shorter with fewer | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
commitments. Different? Some stuff jumped from the 2050 manifesto? I | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
think so but we will see a commitment to run schools to | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
overcome that hurdle in the next parliament and I don't think, in | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
spite of what you think, Polly, that it will be a hard tack to the right. | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
I think if anything the mood music of the Conservative manifesto will | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
be a centrist inclusive one. The mood music will be because the | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
specifics would be there. She is good at saying governing for | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
everybody and the many and not the few but when you look at the hard | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
facts of what her and Hammond's budget looks like, you look at her | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
hard Brexit, it's a very different story. Or that, the music has | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
stopped for this week! Thank you. I will be back next week at the normal | :13:50. | :13:57. | |
time of 11am on Sunday morning. On BBC One The Daily Politics is back | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
at midday tomorrow and we will be on every day next week on BBC Two. | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
Remember, if it's Sunday, it is The Sunday Politics. | :14:06. | :14:34. | |
There'll be a couple of hours of just fantastic music, really, | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
all the Ella classics, as well as some very special guests, | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
we have Mica Paris, Imelda May, Dame Cleo Laine | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
'There's a side to Rory that the public doesn't see. | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
'Rory has suspected for some time that he may have ADHD. | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
Here we have the first hydrogen bomb that went into service with | :14:53. | :15:02. |