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It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics. | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
The local election results made grim reading for Labour. | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
With just a month to go until the general election, | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
will promising to rule out tax rises for all but the well off help | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
The Conservatives have their own announcement on mental health, | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
as they strain every sinew to insist they don't think they've got | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
But is there still really all to play for? | :01:01. | :01:07. | |
And tonight we will find out who is the next | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
President of France - Emmanuel Macron or Marine Le Pen - | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
after an unpredictable campaign that ended with a hack attack | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
And in the North West: Cuddles from Corbyn for one | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
of Labour's two mayors, but was the leader to blame for this | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
potential impact in marginals next month. If Ukip support continues to | :01:24. | :01:31. | |
evaporate... And joining me for all of that, | :01:32. | :01:38. | |
three journalists ready to analyse the week's politics | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
with all the forensic focus of Diane Abbott | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
preparing for an interview, and all the relaxed, | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
slogan-free banter of Theresa May It's Janan Ganesh, Isabel Oakeshott | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
and Steve Richards. So, the Conservatives are promising, | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
if re-elected, to change mental health laws in England and Wales | :01:57. | :02:03. | |
to tackle discrimination, and they're promising 10,000 more | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
staff working in NHS mental health treatment in England by 2020 - | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
although how that's to be Here's Health Secretary | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
Jeremy Hunt speaking There is a lot of new | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
money going into it. In January, we said we were going | :02:18. | :02:25. | |
to put an extra ?1 billion Does this come from other parts | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
of the NHS, or is it No, it is new money | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
going into the NHS It's not just of course money, | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
it's having the people who deliver these jobs, | :02:36. | :02:42. | |
which is why we need Well, we're joined now from Norwich | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
by the Liberal Democrat health This weekend, they've launched | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
their own health announcement, promising a 1% rise on every income | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
tax band to fund the NHS. Do you welcome the Conservatives | :02:53. | :03:04. | |
putting mental health onto the campaign agenda in the way that they | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
have? I welcome it being on the campaign agenda but I do fear that | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
the announcement is built on thin air. You raised the issue at the | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
start about the 10,000 extra staff, and questions surrounding how it | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
would be paid for. There is no additional money on what they have | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
already announced for the NHS. We know it falls massively short on the | :03:28. | :03:34. | |
expectation of the funding gap which, by 2020, is likely to be | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
about 30 billion. That is not disputed now. Anyone outside of the | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
government, wherever you are on the political spectrum, knows the money | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
going in is simply not enough. So, rather like the claim that they | :03:47. | :03:56. | |
would add 5000 GPs to the workforce by 2020, that is not on target. | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
Latest figures show a fall in the number of GPs. They make these | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
claims, but I'm afraid they are without substance, unless they are | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
prepared to put money behind it. Your party's solution to the money | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
problem is to put a 1% percentage point on all of the bands of income | :04:16. | :04:26. | |
tax to raise more money 20-45. Is that unfair? Most pensioners who | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
consume 40% of NHS spending, but over 65s only pay about 20% of | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
income tax. Are you penalising the younger generations for the health | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
care of an older generation? It is the first step in what we are | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
describing as a 5-point recovery plan for the NHS and care system. | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
So, for what is available to us now, it seems to be the fairest way of | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
bringing in extra resources, income tax is progressive, and is based on | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
your ability to pay for your average British worker. It would be ?3 per | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
week which is the cost of less than two cups of coffee per week. In the | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
longer run, we say that by the end of the next Parliament, we would be | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
able to introduce a dedicated NHS and care tax. Based, probably, | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
around a reformed national insurance system, so it becomes a dedicated | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
NHS and care tax. Interestingly, the former permanent secretary of the | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
Treasury, Nick MacPherson, said clearly that this idea merits | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
further consideration which is the first time anyone for the Treasury | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
has bought into the idea of this. Let me ask you this. You say it is a | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
small amount of tax that people on average incomes will have to pay | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
extra. We are talking about people who have seen no real increases to | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
their income since 2007. They have been struggling to stand still in | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
terms of their own pay, but you are going to add to their tax, and as I | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
said earlier, most of the health care money will then go to | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
pensioners whose incomes have risen by 15%. I'm interested in the | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
fairness of this redistribution? Bearing in mind first of all, | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
Andrew, that the raising of the tax threshold that the Liberal Democrats | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
pushed through in the coalition increased the effective pay in your | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
pocket for basic rate taxpayers by about ?1000. We are talking about a | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
tiny fraction of that. I suppose that you do have to ask, all of us | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
in this country need to ask ourselves this question... Are we | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
prepared to pay, in terms of the average worker, about ?3 extra per | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
week to give us a guarantee that when our loved ones need that care, | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
in their hour of need, perhaps suspected cancer, that care will be | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
available for them? I have heard two cases recently brought my attention. | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
An elderly couple, the wife has a very bad hip. They could not allow | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
the weight to continue. She was told that she would need to wait 26 | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
weeks, she was in acute pain. They then deduct paying ?20,000 for | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
private treatment to circumvent waiting time. They hated doing it, | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
because they did not want to jump the queue. But that is what is | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
increasingly happening. Sorry to interrupt, Norman Lamb comedy make | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
very good points but we are short on time today. One final question, it | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
looks like you might have the chance to do any of this, I'm told the best | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
you can hope to do internally is to double the number of seats you have, | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
which would only take you to 18. Do you think that promising to raise | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
people's income tax, even those on average earnings, is a vote winner? | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
I think the people in this country are crying out for politicians to be | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
straight and tenet as it is. At the moment we heading towards a | :08:03. | :08:09. | |
Conservative landslide... -- tell it as it is. But do we want a 1-party | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
state? We are electing a government not only to deal with the crucial | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
Brexit negotiations, but oversee the stewardship of the NHS and funding | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
of our schools, all of these critical issues. We need an | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
effective opposition and with the Labour Party having taken itself off | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
stage, the Liberal Democrats need to provide an effective opposition. | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
Norman Lamb, thank you for joining us this morning. Thank you. | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
Labour and Tories are anxious to stress the general election | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
result is not a foregone conclusion, whatever the polls say. | :08:43. | :08:43. | |
Order you just heard Norman Lamb say there that he thought the | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
Conservatives were heading for a landslide... | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
But did Thursday's dramatic set of local election results | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
in England, Scotland and Wales give us a better idea of how the country | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
Here's Emma Vardy with a behind-the-scenes look at how | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
Good morning, it's seven o'clock on Friday, May 5th... | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
The dawn of another results day. Anticipation hung in the air. | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
Early results from the local elections in England suggest | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
there's been a substantial swing from Labour to the Conservatives. | :09:15. | :09:16. | |
While the pros did their thing, I needed breakfast. | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
Don't tell anyone, but I'm going to pinch a sausage. | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
The overnight counts had delivered successes for the Tories. | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
But with most councils only getting started, | :09:26. | :09:26. | |
there was plenty of action still to come. | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
It's not quite the night of Labour's nightmares. | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
There's enough mixed news in Wales, for example - | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
looks like they're about to hold Cardiff - that they'll try and put | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
But in really simple terms, four weeks from a general election, | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
the Tories are going forward and Labour are going backwards. | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
How does it compare being in here to doing the telly? | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
Huw, how do you prepare yourself for a long day of results, then? | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
We're not even on air yet, as you can see, and already | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
in Tory HQ this morning, there's a kind of, "Oh, | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
I'm scared this will make people think the election's just | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
I think leave it like that - perfect. | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
I want the Laura look. This is really good, isn't it? | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
Usually, we're in here for the Daily Politics. | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
But it's been transformed for the Election Results programme. | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
But hours went by without Ukip winning a single seat. | :10:28. | :10:39. | |
The joke going around Lincolnshire County Council today | :10:40. | :10:45. | |
from the Conservatives is that the Tories have eaten | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
We will rebrand and come back strong. | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
Morale, I think, is inevitably going to take a bit of a tumble. | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
Particularly if Theresa May starts backsliding on Brexit. | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
And then I think we will be totally reinvigorated. | :11:01. | :11:02. | |
There are a lot of good people in Ukip and I wouldn't | :11:03. | :11:05. | |
want to say anything unkind, but we all know it's over. | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
Ukip press officer. Difficult job. | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
Ukip weren't the only ones putting a brave face on it. | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
Labour were experiencing their own disaster day too, | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
losing hundreds of seats and seven councils. | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
If the result is what these results appear to indicate, | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
Can we have a quick word for the Sunday Politics? | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
A quick question for Sunday Politics - how are you feeling? | :11:33. | :11:40. | |
Downhearted or fired up for June? Fired up, absolutely fired up. | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
He's fired up. We're going to go out there... | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
We cannot go on with another five years of this. | :11:48. | :11:49. | |
How's it been for you today? Tiring. | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
It always is, but I love elections, I really enjoy them. | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
Yes, you know, obviously we're disappointed at some of the results, | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
it's been a mixed bag, but some opinion polls | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
and commentators predicted we'd be wiped out - we haven't. | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
As for the Lib Dems, not the resurgence they hoped for, | :12:08. | :12:09. | |
After a dead heat in Northumberland, the control of a whole council came | :12:10. | :12:17. | |
The section of England in which we had elections yesterday | :12:18. | :12:26. | |
was the section of England that was most likely to vote Leave. | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
When you go to sleep at night, do you just have election results | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
The answer is if that's still happening, I don't get to sleep. | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
There we go. Maybe practice some yoga... | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
Thank you very much but I have one here. | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
With the introduction of six regional mayors, | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
Labour's Andy Burnham became Mr Manchester. | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
But by the time Corbyn came to celebrate, the new mayor | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
We want you to stay for a second because I've got some | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
I used to present news, as you probably know. | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
I used to present BBC Breakfast in the morning. | :13:05. | :13:06. | |
The SNP had notable successes, ending 40 years of Labour | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
What did you prefer - presenting or politics? | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
And it certainly had been a hard day at the office for some. | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
Ukip's foothold in local government was all but wiped out, | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
leaving the Conservatives with their best local | :13:27. | :13:28. | |
So another election results day draws to a close. | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
But don't worry, we'll be doing it all again in five weeks' time. | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
For now, though, that's your lot. Off you go. | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
Now let's look at some of Thursday's results in a little more detail, | :13:40. | :13:51. | |
and what they might mean for the wider fortunes | :13:52. | :13:53. | |
In England, there were elections for 34 councils. | :13:54. | :14:05. | |
The Conservatives took control of ten of them, | :14:06. | :14:07. | |
gaining over 300 seats, while Labour sustained | :14:08. | :14:09. | |
While the Lib Dems lost 28 seats, Ukip came close to extinction, | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
and can now boast of only one councillor in the whole of England. | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
In Scotland, the big story was Labour losing | :14:21. | :14:22. | |
a third of their seats, and control of three councils - | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
while the Tories more than doubled their number of councillors. | :14:26. | :14:27. | |
In Wales, both the Conservatives and Plaid Cymru made gains, | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
There was some encouraging news for Jeremy Corbyn's party | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
after Liverpool and Manchester both elected Labour mayors, | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
although the Tories narrowly won the West Midlands mayoral race. | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
We're joined now by who else but elections expert John Curtice. | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
You saw him in Emma's film, he's now back in Glasgow. | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
In broad terms, what do these local election results tell us about the | :14:54. | :15:06. | |
general election result? First we have to remember what Theresa May | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
wants to achieve in the general election is a landslide, and winning | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
a landslide means you have to win big in terms of votes. The local | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
election results certainly suggest Theresa May is well on course to win | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
the general election, at least with four weeks to go, and of course | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
people could change their minds. We all agree the Conservatives were | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
double-digit figures ahead of Labour in these elections. However, whereas | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
the opinion polls on average at the moment suggest there is a 17 point | :15:36. | :15:42. | |
Conservative lead, and that definitely would deliver a | :15:43. | :15:44. | |
landslide, it seems the local election figures, at least in | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
England, are pointing to something close to an 11 point Conservative | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
lead. That increase would not necessarily deliver a landslide that | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
she wants. The truth is, the next four weeks are probably not about | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
who wins this election unless something dramatic changes, but | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
there is still a battle as to whether or not Theresa May achieves | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
her objective of winning a landslide. She has to win big. The | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
local elections as she is not sure to be there, and therefore she is | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
going to have to campaign hard. Equally, while Labour did have most | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
prospect of winning, they still at least at the goal of trying to keep | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
the conservative majority relatively low, and therefore the Parliamentary | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
Labour Party are alive and kicking. Interesting that the local election | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
results don't produce a landslide if replicated on June 8th, but when I | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
looked at when local elections had taken place a month before the | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
general election, it was in 1983 and 1987. The Tories did well in both | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
local elections in these years, but come the general election, they | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
added five points to their share of the vote. No reason it should happen | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
again, but if it did, that would take them into landslide territory. | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
Absolutely right, if they do five points better than the local | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
elections, they are in landslide territory. We have to remember, in | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
1983, the Labour Party ran an inept campaign and their support ballet. | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
In 1987, David Owen and David Steele could not keep to the same lines. -- | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
their support fell away. That underlines how well the opposition | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
campaign in the next four weeks does potentially matter in terms of | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
Theresa May's ability to achieve their objective. It is worth | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
noticing in the opinion polls, two things have happened, first, Ukip | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
voters, a significant slice going to the Conservatives, which helped to | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
increase the Conservative leader in the bowels. But in the last week, | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
the Labour vote seems to have recovered. -- in the polls. So the | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
party is not that far short of what Ed Miliband got in 2015, so the | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
Conservative leader is back down to 16 or 17, as we started. So we | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
should not necessarily presume Labour are going to go backwards in | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
the way they did in 1983. I want to finish by asking if there are deeper | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
forces at work? Whether the referendum in this country is | :18:12. | :18:13. | |
producing a realignment in British politics. The Scottish referendum | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
has produced a kind of realignment in Scotland. And in a different way, | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
the Brexit referendum has produced a realignment in England and Wales. Do | :18:23. | :18:30. | |
you agree? You are quite right. Referendums are potentially | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
disruptive in Scotland, they helped to ensure the constitutional | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
question became the central issue, and the 45% who voted yes our been | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
faithful to the SNP since. Although the SNP put in a relatively | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
disappointing performance in Scotland on Thursday. Equally, south | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
of the border, on the leave side, in the past 12 months and particularly | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
the last few weeks, the Conservatives have corralled the | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
leave vote, about two thirds of those who voted leave now say they | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
will vote Conservative. Last summer, the figure was only 50%. On the | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
remain side, the vote is still fragmented. The reason why Theresa | :19:08. | :19:17. | |
May is in the strong position she is is not simply because the leave vote | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
has been realigned, but the remain vote has not. Thank you for joining | :19:22. | :19:29. | |
us. You can go through polls and wonder who is up and down, but I | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
wonder whether the Scottish and Brexit referendums have produced | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
fundamental changes. In Scotland, the real division now is between the | :19:39. | :19:45. | |
centre-left Nationalist party and the centre-right Unionist party. | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
That has had the consequence of squeezing out Labour in the | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
argument, never mind the Greens and the Lib Dems. In London, England, | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
Wales, the Brexit referendum seems to have produced a realignment of | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
the right to the Tories' advantage, and some trouble for the Labour blue | :20:06. | :20:14. | |
vote -- blue-collar vote. It works for the pro Brexit end of the | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
spectrum but not the other half. In the last century, we had people like | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
Roy Jenkins dreaming of and writing about the realignment of British | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
politics as though it could be consciously engineered, and in fact | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
what made it happen was just the calling of a referendum. It's not | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
something you can put about as a politician, it flows from below, | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
when the public begin to think of politics in terms of single issues, | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
dominant issues, such as leaving the European Union. Rather than a broad | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
spectrum designed by a political class. I wonder whether now Remain | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
have it in them to coalesce behind a single party. It doesn't look like | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
they can do it behind Labour. The Liberal Democrats are frankly too | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
small in Parliament to constitute that kind of force. The closest | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
thing to a powerful Remain party is the SNP which by definition has | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
limited appeal south of the border. It is hard. The realignment. We | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
don't know if it is permanent or how dramatic it will be, but there is | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
some kind of realignment going on. At the moment, it seems to be a | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
realignment that by and large is to the benefit of the Conservatives. | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
Without a doubt, and that can be directly attributed to the | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
disappearance of Ukip from the political landscape. I have been | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
saying since the referendum that I thought Ukip was finished. They | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
still seem to be staggering on under the illusion... Some people may have | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
picked up on Nigel Farage this morning saying that Ukip still had a | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
strong role to play until Brexit actually happens. But I think it's | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
very, very hard to convince the voters of that, because they feel | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
that, with the result of the referendum, that was Ukip's job | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
done. And those votes are not going to delay the party -- to the Labour | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
Party because of the flaws with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, they are | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
shifting to the Tories. I agree. The key issue was the referendum. It has | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
produced a fundamental change that few predicted at the time it was | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
called. Most fundamental of all, it has brought about a unity in the | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
Conservative Party. With some exceptions, but they are now off | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
editing the Evening Standard and other things! This is now a party | :22:28. | :22:34. | |
united around Brexit. Since 1992, the Tories have been split over | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
Europe, at times fatally so. The referendum, in ways that David | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
Cameron did not anticipate, has brought about a united front for | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
this election. In a way, this is a sequel to the referendum, because | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
it's about Brexit but we still don't know what form Brexit is going to | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
take. By calling it early, Theresa May has in effect got another go at | :22:55. | :23:01. | |
a kind of Brexit referendum without knowing what Brexit is, with a | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
united Tory party behind her. We shall see if it is a blip or a | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
long-term trend in British politics. Now let's turn to Labour's big | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
campaign announcement today, and that was the promise of no | :23:11. | :23:12. | |
income tax rise for those earning less than ?80,000 - | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
which of course means those earning more than that could | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
face an increase. Here's Shadow Chancellor John | :23:19. | :23:19. | |
McDonell on the BBC earlier. What we are saying today, anyone | :23:20. | :23:29. | |
earning below ?80,000, we will guarantee you will not have an | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
increase in income tax, VAT or national insurance contributions. | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
For those above 80,000, we are asking them to pay a modest bit more | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
to fund our public services. A modest bit. You will see it will be | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
a modest increase. Talking about modest increases, so we can have a | :23:47. | :23:53. | |
society which we believe everyone shares the benefits of. | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
We're joined now by Shadow Justice Secretary Richard Burgon, in Leeds. | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
Mr McDonnell stressed that for those earning over 80,000, they would be | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
paying more but it would be modest. He used the word modest 45 times. | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
But there is only 1.2 million of them. -- 4-5 times. So that would | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
not raise much money. This is about the key part of this tax policy for | :24:19. | :24:25. | |
the many, not the few. We are saying that low earners and middle earners | :24:26. | :24:28. | |
won't be paying more tax under a Labour government, which is not a | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
policy the Conservatives have committed to yet. As John McDonnell | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
also said in his interview earlier, if there is a tax rise on the top 5% | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
of earners, earning over ?80,000, it would be a modest rise. I am trying | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
to work out what that would mean in terms of money. If it is too modest, | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
you don't raise much. What will happen is the Labour Party's | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
manifesto, published in the next couple of weeks, wilfully set out | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
and cost it. I can't make an announcement now. -- will fully set | :25:04. | :25:13. | |
out and cost it. Moving on to the local elections, Mr Corbyn says he | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
is closing the gap with the Tories. What evidence is there? John Curtis | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
just said there was an 11% gap in the results, Labour 11% behind. The | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
polls before that suggested Labour were anything up to 20% behind. Was | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
it a great day for Labour? Certainly not. Is there a lot to do between | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
now and June? Sure, but we are relishing every moment of that. | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
Comparing equivalent elections in 2013, the Tories increased their | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
share of the vote by 13%. You lost 2%. That's a net of 15%. In what way | :25:48. | :25:57. | |
is that closing the gap? We have gone down to 11 points behind. Am I | :25:58. | :26:04. | |
satisfied? Certainly not. Is Labour satisfied? Certainly not. A week is | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
a long time in politics, 4-5 weeks is even longer. The local elections | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
are over, the general election campaign is starting, and we want to | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
put out there the policies that will improve the lives of low and middle | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
income earners. And also many people looking to be well off as well. You | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
lost 133 seats in Scotland. Are you closing the gap in Scotland? The | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
journey back for Labour in Scotland, I always thought, wouldn't be an | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
easy one. Since the council election results and Scotland that we are | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
comparing this to, there has been an independence referendum and the | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
terrible results for Labour in the 2015 general election. So it is a | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
challenge, but one hundreds of thousands of Labour members are | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
determined to meet. That is why we're talking about bread and butter | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
policies to make people's lives better. These local elections took | :26:57. | :27:03. | |
place midtown. Normally mid-term was the worst time for a government. -- | :27:04. | :27:10. | |
took place midterm. And the best for an opposition. That is a feature of | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
British politics. So why did you lose 382 councillors in a midterm | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
election? As Andy Burnham said when he gave his acceptance speech after | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
his terrific first ballot result win in Manchester, it was an evening of | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
mixed results for Labour. Generally bad, wasn't it? Why did you lose all | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
of these councillors midterm? It is not a welcome result for Labour, I | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
am not going to be deluded. But what I and the Labour Party are focused | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
on is the next four weeks. And how we are going to put across policies | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
like free school meals for primary school children, ?10 an hour minimum | :27:50. | :27:55. | |
wage, the pledge not to increase tax for low and middle earners, 95% of | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
earners in this country. And saving the NHS from privatisation and | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
funding it properly. These are just some of the policies, including by | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
the way a boost in carers' allowance, that will make the lives | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
of people in Britain better off. Labour are for the many, not for the | :28:13. | :28:19. | |
few. But people like from political parties aspiring to government is to | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
be united and to be singing from the same song sheet among the leaders. | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
You mentioned Andy Burnham. Why did he not join Mr Corbyn when Jeremy | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
Corbyn went to the rally in Manchester on Friday to celebrate | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
his victory? First of all, Andy Burnham did a radio interview | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
straight after his great victory in which he said Jeremy Corbyn helped | :28:42. | :28:44. | |
him to win votes in that election. Why didn't he turn up? As to the | :28:45. | :28:51. | |
reason Andy Burnham wasn't there at the meeting Jeremy was doing in | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
Manchester, it was because, I understand, Andy was booked into | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
celebrate his victory with his family that night. I don't begrudge | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
him that and hopefully you don't. The leader has made the effort to | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
travel to Manchester to celebrate one of the few victories you enjoyed | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
on Thursday, surely you would join the leader and celebrate together? | :29:12. | :29:17. | |
Well, I don't regard, and I am sure you don't, Andy Burnham a nice time | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
with his family... -- I don't begrudge. He made it clear Jeremy | :29:22. | :29:28. | |
Corbyn assisted him. I can see you are not convinced yourself. I am | :29:29. | :29:35. | |
convinced. The outgoing Labour leader in Derbyshire lost his seat | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
on Thursday, you lost Derbyshire, which was a surprise in itself... He | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
said that genuine party supporters said they were not voting Labour | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
while you have Jeremy Corbyn as leader. Are you hearing that on the | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
doorstep too? I have been knocking on hundreds of doors this week in my | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
constituency and elsewhere. And of course, you never get every single | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
voter thinking the leader of any political party is the greatest | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
thing since sliced bread. But it's only on a minority of doorsteps that | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
people are criticising the Labour leader. Most people aren't even | :30:15. | :30:19. | |
talking about these questions. Most people are talking about Jeremy | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
Corbyn's policies, free primary school meals, ?10 an hour minimum | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
wage. Also policies such as paternity pay, maternity pay and | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
sickness pay for the self-employed, that have been hard-pressed under | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
this government. So I don't recognise that pitch of despondency, | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
but I understand that in different areas, in local elections, | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
perspectives are different. That was Derbyshire. The outgoing Labour | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
leader of Nottinghamshire County Council said there was concern on | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
the doorstep about whether Jeremy Corbyn was the right person to lead | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
the Labour Party, and even Rotherham, loyal to Mr Corbyn, won | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
the mail contest in Liverpool, he said that the Labour leader was more | :31:04. | :31:09. | |
might on the doorstep. -- the mayor contest. Does that explain some of | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
the performance on Thursday? I am confident that in the next four | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
weeks, when we get into coverage on television, that people will see | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
further the kind of open leadership Jeremy provides. In contrast to | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
Theresa May's refusal to meet ordinary people. She came to my | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
constituency and I don't think that a single person who lives here. And | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
also she is ducking the chance to debate with Jeremy Corbyn on TV. She | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
should do it and let the people decide. I don't know why she won't. | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
Finally, the Labour mantra is that you are the party of the ordinary | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
people, why is it the case that among what advertisers call C2s, D | :31:50. | :32:02. | |
and E', how can you on the pulse of that social group, how can you do | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
that? Our policy is to assist, protect and improve the living | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
standards of people in those groups and our policy is to protect the | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
living standards of the majority... They do not seem to be convinced? We | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
have four weeks to convince them and I believe that we will. Thank you | :32:21. | :32:22. | |
for coming onto the programme. But the wooden spoon from Thursday's | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
elections undoubtedly went to Ukip. Four years ago the party | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
won its best ever local government performance, | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
but this time its support just Ukip's share of the vote | :32:34. | :32:35. | |
plunging by as much as 18 points, most obviously | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
benefiting the Conservatives. So is it all over for | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
the self-styled people's army? Well we're joined now | :32:43. | :32:44. | |
by the party's leader in the Welsh Assembly, | :32:45. | :32:46. | |
Neil Hamilton, he's in Cardiff. Neil Hamilton, welcome. Ukip | :32:47. | :32:57. | |
finished local elections gaining the same number of councillors as the | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
Rubbish Party, one. That sums up your prospects, doesn't | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
it? Rubbish? We have been around a long time and seemed that I'd go | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
out, go in again, we will keep calm and carry on. We are in a phoney | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
war, negotiations on Brexit have not started but what we know from | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
Theresa May is that in seven years, as Home Secretary and Prime | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
Minister, she has completely failed to control immigration which was one | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
of the great driving forces behind the Brexit result. I'm not really | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
looking for any great success in immigration from the Tories, and a | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
lot of people who have previously voted for Ukip will be back in our | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
part of the field again. They don't seem to care about that at the | :33:44. | :33:48. | |
moment, your party lost 147 council seats. You gain one. It is time to | :33:49. | :33:54. | |
shut up shop, isn't it? You are right, the voters are not focusing | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
on other domestic issues at the moment. They have made up their | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
minds going into these negotiations in Brussels, Theresa May, as Prime | :34:02. | :34:07. | |
Minister, needs as much support as she can get. I think they are wrong | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
in this respect, it would be better to have a cohort of Ukip MPs to back | :34:12. | :34:17. | |
her up. She was greatly helped by the intervention of Mr Juncker last | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
week as well, the stupidity in how the European Commission has tried to | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
bully the British government, in those circumstances the British | :34:28. | :34:29. | |
people will react in one way going the opposite way to what the | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
Brussels establishment one. She has been fortunate as an acute tactician | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
in having the election now. I struggle to see the way back for | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
your party. You aren't a threat to the Tories in the south. Ukip voters | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
are flocking to the Tories in the south. You don't threaten Labour in | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
the north. It is the Tories who threaten Labour now in the north. | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
There is no room to progress, is there? The reality will be is that | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
once we are back on the domestic agenda again, and the Brexit | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
negotiations are concluded, we will know what the outcome is. And the | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
focus will be on bread and butter issues. We have all sorts of | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
policies in our programme which other parties cannot match us on. | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
The talk is putting up taxes to help the health service, we would scrap | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
the foreign aid budget and put another ?8 billion in the health | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
service, no other party says that. These policies would be popular with | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
the ordinary working person. Is Paul Nuttall to blame on the meltdown of | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
what happened, no matter who is leader? These are cosmic forces | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
beyond the control of any individual at the moment, it is certainly not | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
Paul Nuttall's .com he's been in the job for six months and in half that | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
time he was fighting a by-election -- certainly not Paul Nuttall's | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
fault. We have two become more professional than we have been | :35:57. | :35:59. | |
recently. It has not been a brilliant year for Ukip one way or | :36:00. | :36:05. | |
another, as you know, but there are prospects, in future, that are very | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
rosy. I do not believe that the Tories will deliver on other | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
promises that they are now making. The Welsh assembly elections are not | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
until 2021, you are a member of that, but at that point you will not | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
have any MEPs, because we will be out on the timetable. With this | :36:22. | :36:27. | |
current showing he will have no end', you could be Ukip's most | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
senior elected representative. That would be a turnout for the books! -- | :36:34. | :36:41. | |
no elected MPs. The Tories are not promoting the policies that I | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
believe them. You will see that in the Ukip manifesto when it is | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
shortly publish... Leaders talk mainly about the male genital | :36:51. | :37:00. | |
mutilation and is -- female and burqas. No, when the manifesto | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
launched, we have a lot of policies, I spoke moments ago about it, but | :37:06. | :37:12. | |
also on foreign aid. Scrapping green taxes, to cut people's electricity | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
bills by ?300 per year on average. There are a lot of popular policies | :37:17. | :37:25. | |
that we have. We will hear more from that in the weeks to come. | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
Paul Nuttall said "If the price of written leaving the year is a Tory | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
advance after taking up this patriarch course, it is a price that | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
Ukip is prepared to pay". That sounds like a surrender statement? | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
It is a statement of fact, the main agenda is to get out of the EU and | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
have full Brexit. That is why Ukip came into existence 20 years ago. | :37:49. | :37:54. | |
When it is achieved, we go back to the normal political battle lines. | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
Niall Hamilton in Cardiff, thank you very much for joining us. | :37:59. | :38:02. | |
It's just gone 11.35am, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes - we'll be talking about the French | :38:08. | :38:17. | |
Coming up in the North West: Cuddles from Corbyn for one of Labour's | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
mayors but is the leader to blame for this man's success | :38:24. | :38:26. | |
I must admit, I have voted Labour in the past but I am | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
And we're joined in the studio by the second of Labour's | :38:33. | :38:40. | |
Andy Burnham is no longer the MP for Leigh, but the first elected | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
But very keen to keep her seat at Westminster is Seema Kennedy, | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
the Conservative candidate for South Ribble. | :38:49. | :38:49. | |
Congratulations to both of you. Had of Liverpool City Region shortly. | :38:50. | :38:59. | |
Congratulations to both of you. Had it been a weekend of celebrations | :39:00. | :39:06. | |
for both of you? I have two admit, the odd beer last | :39:07. | :39:12. | |
night was taken. But work, too. I pointed my deputy mayors yesterday. | :39:13. | :39:19. | |
Getting straight to work as well. By the Conservative Party in | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
Lancashire, not a bad result. We had some really good results | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
across Lancashire and people worked their socks off. We only had a few | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
hours rest because we have a general election campaign that we are | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
determined to work very hard for. Were you surprised? In places like | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
south Trafford and those wards where you would not expect a Labour win? | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
Overwhelmed is where would describe it. Handling that people went out in | :39:46. | :39:48. | |
such numbers to give me their support. I have been around Greater | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
Manchester for a long time so people know me so perhaps that helped at a | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
have given me a very clear mandate and what I would say back to them is | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
I am so grateful to them. Whenever you anything by halves in life. I | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
give everything I have got and I will give you have got to loading | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
Greater Manchester now. We got it renders opportunity before us and I | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
will attempt to use it to the full. We will come on to your benefit | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
promises in just a minute. -- manifesto promises. | :40:18. | :40:19. | |
Let's start with the election of two Labour mayors. | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
Andy Burnham won the Greater Manchester contest with 63 | :40:23. | :40:24. | |
The Conservative Sean Anstee more than 40 points behind - | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
And Steve Rotheram won just under 60 percent of the vote | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
in the Liverpool City Region - that's Merseyside plus Halton. | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
Again, the conservative candidate the only other to make it | :40:35. | :40:36. | |
Stuart Pollitt reports now on whether the voters | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
were as excited as Andy Burnham here. | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
On a day when the metro mayor votes in the north west were the brightest | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
spots on the British political landscape for Labour. | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
Steve Rotheram elected here with 59% of the vote. | :40:54. | :41:05. | |
In Greater Manchester, the ballot papers piled | :41:06. | :41:07. | |
The two Labour strongholds did hold firm for the party. | :41:08. | :41:18. | |
But less than one in three people actually voted. | :41:19. | :41:26. | |
The old rugby league rivals Saint Helens | :41:27. | :41:33. | |
and Wiggin are only a few miles apart. | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
Despite different elections, here it was the Liverpool | :41:37. | :41:38. | |
Down the road in Wigan for Greater Manchester turnout was | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
Why did you think it was worth doing? We need somebody to look | :41:42. | :41:52. | |
after us down in the North instead of the self getting the best things. | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
Giving the Meier can make a difference? I'm not totally | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
convinced, to be honest. I'm not sure I agree with the Liverpool | :42:01. | :42:10. | |
region. More powers for the mayor in Wigan | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
did not want a much bigger tanner. And there we are on the body here | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
but I still think it has an impact. To think you will make a difference | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
Hopefully. You don't think the Meier Hopefully. You don't think the Meier | :42:23. | :42:24. | |
will make any difference? No. | :42:25. | :42:31. | |
Not that interested. I forgot about it, personally. | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
That's a very honest answer. People knew who was going to win and | :42:38. | :42:40. | |
people didn't realise how important these posts well. People were not | :42:41. | :42:46. | |
interested. They did not understand the role of the city region Meier. | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
So the first task that Steve Rotherham and Andy Burnham will have | :42:52. | :42:54. | |
will be to show to the city region voters why then matter and what | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
difference they are going to make. This was a clear victory for the two | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
Labour candidates but it was a long way from a vote of thanks for these | :43:05. | :43:05. | |
new posts. Our Merseyside reporter Andy Gill | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
spoke to Steve Rotheram and asked him what he planned to do | :43:09. | :43:10. | |
first. The idea now with that mandate is to | :43:11. | :43:19. | |
implement the manifesto that I put forward and it has got some bold | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
ideas in it. We want to, you know, be able to wrestle some further | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
powers from central Government that will help us do some of the things | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
that we won. But also, to get a fair share of resources. | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
What is going to be your priority when you take office? | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
There is no one priority. The programme is there and we're looking | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
at what we can do in the short-term, what we can do in the medium and | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
long-term. But I think some of the day that we will be able to do it to | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
look first at transport infrastructure and the integration | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
of our transport systems. We got some fantastic things but it needs | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
to be not as together and you can only do that given the powers of a | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
Metro mayor and the bus built that has gone through Parliament and were | :44:01. | :44:03. | |
looking to CB can take buses back into public control. | :44:04. | :44:06. | |
It topped in your speech about the Conservatives. The Conservatives | :44:07. | :44:08. | |
have come second. What do you make of that? Someone | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
had to come second. They came along way back in second. The had a good | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
candidate, I have to say, and they put up a spirited fight. But there | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
is bound to some people who don't support Labour and their eagle of | :44:21. | :44:27. | |
choice was the Tory party. Hopefully that won't be replicated in five | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
weeks' time in a national general election. | :44:32. | :44:31. | |
Was that because of Jeremy Corbyn, Was that because of Jeremy Corbyn, | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
do you think? Was he an asset or a disadvantage for you? | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
Jeremy is Marmite and he laughs about but it is the truth. In some | :44:41. | :44:46. | |
areas, affluent areas of our city region, sometimes it was too good to | :44:47. | :44:47. | |
get the message over because they get the message over because they | :44:48. | :44:50. | |
did not really appreciate what Jeremy was trying to achieve but it | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
is because the Labour Party have not had a fair crack at the work. If you | :44:56. | :44:58. | |
look at what has happened with the aid has been about Corbyn. And it is | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
about policies we can win and policy to policy on the doorstep Labour | :45:05. | :45:05. | |
policies came ahead of anyone else. That start with your manifesto | :45:06. | :45:14. | |
pledges. Pledged to give a roof of every head by 2020, focusing on the | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
homeless. How do you make that happen? | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
It is a difficult challenge, of course. Was the single biggest issue | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
of the election because people have seen the rising number of people | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
huddled in our doorways and the people of Greater Manchester being | :45:32. | :45:34. | |
as they are, they do not like to see. They want something to be done. | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
It starts tomorrow. A major announcement tomorrow. I'm | :45:39. | :45:41. | |
fulfilling my commitment to donate 15% my salary to create a new | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
homelessness bun. It is not about roofs overheads, is | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
it? Haven't spoken to people, the reasons why people are on the | :45:51. | :45:52. | |
streets are many and varied and complex. | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
Buy a roof over every head we're ending rough sleeping. Shelters | :45:58. | :46:00. | |
every communities so that people do not need to be outside braving the | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
to make sure everyone has want and to make sure everyone has want and | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
shelter we will do that. The bigger challenge is to end homelessness, | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
which is about mental health services being better than they are, | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
drug and alcohol services, other ideas needed to deal with a much | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
bigger problem. Employment in mental health | :46:23. | :46:24. | |
services. That's in the context of austerity under ?5 billion budget | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
which is limited. Some experts are already saying. | :46:31. | :46:33. | |
Where will the money come from? We need a housing policy that is more | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
focused on building truly affordable housing. Rather than homes at the | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
more desirable end, let's say. All of those things are needed but you | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
write about the money. The money situation will be very difficult and | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
I will be challenging my colleagues to say, give us a fair deal. I will | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
bring but differently are bringing social care International service | :46:56. | :46:58. | |
which is what I want to do, we can spend the money very differently. | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
Build support around people in their hands are not the people trapped in | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
hospital which cost a lot of money for the NHS. | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
Will you be asking for more money? Is six billion and for this region? | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
The wrong thing to do would be immediately complaining about not | :47:16. | :47:17. | |
having enough. If first got to show that you can manage what you've got. | :47:18. | :47:22. | |
And I will do that. But, yes, it cannot be right that we have got | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
schools in Greater Manchester sending begging letters home to | :47:27. | :47:28. | |
parents, it cannot be right that our parents, it cannot be right that our | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
police still been cut crime is rising. So I will be making these | :47:33. | :47:34. | |
arguments very loudly when it comes arguments very loudly when it comes | :47:35. | :47:39. | |
terms of their election manifesto. terms of their election manifesto. | :47:40. | :47:44. | |
Does the need to be more money made available when we strike these | :47:45. | :47:47. | |
devolution deals? And it is right to focus on results | :47:48. | :47:55. | |
because resources are important. This idea of integrating health and | :47:56. | :47:58. | |
social care, let's hope this successful. And I wish him really | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
the best in this because it has got to be the future of how we manage | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
health and social care in an ageing society. | :48:08. | :48:10. | |
A big responsibility. And I absolutely intend to leave the | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
point-scoring in Westminster. I want to work with people who are prepared | :48:15. | :48:17. | |
to support where Greater Manchester want to go in the future. | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
Let's talk about your victory on the steps of the conference centre. | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
Jeremy Corbyn was there a few hours later. At what point did you know he | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
would be in Manchester? We made it clear to his team earlier | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
in the week that I would not be at a rally, because I went straight to a | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
number of events after the count. What was more important than | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
standing there with the leader of the parties for weeks before the | :48:44. | :48:47. | |
election? I had a plan to get on with the job. | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
I appointed to people to deputy mayor positions. | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
There were photographs of you enjoying yourself. | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
My campaign team were quite amazing and it was right and proper. | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
But is it right and proper that you campaign on a Labour ticket with a | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
Labour rosette and you have been a member of the parties due 14, would | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
not been the right thing to do to stand by the party leader and say, | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
this your next Prime Minister. To be honest, the idea that this is | :49:18. | :49:24. | |
an issue frustrates me. Because this trivia of politics. | :49:25. | :49:27. | |
Were you at a rally were you not? Is it trivial when you've got MPs who | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
could lose their seat and people in their constituency will have voted | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
for US may, is it trivial for you to not stand by the party leader. | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
People voted for me to get on with the job. As a favourite candidate. | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
People clearly voted me across all political divides. And I want to be | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
a mayor body. I made it clear would be getting straight on with the job | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
and that is what I have done. You cannot put their selection into the | :49:58. | :49:59. | |
general election campaign and consider it a part of that. It was | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
separate stop but you represented the Labour Party. | :50:04. | :50:09. | |
A Labour MP said at your bed, we're going to be annihilated at this | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
election. Would it have been damage limitation? | :50:14. | :50:20. | |
It is a devolved situation. It is about doing what we need to do here. | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
I had a very clear schedule set out earlier in the week. | :50:26. | :50:28. | |
Which was more important. Jeremy knew that I would not be | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
there. He is doing sterling work here holding the line but the point | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
is clear. If you vote for a Labour candidate on the 8th of June would | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
necessarily end up with a sensible, moderate person like him, you're | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
going to end up with Jeremy Corbyn, and John McDonnell. People know | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
that. They're telling that on the doorstep and I'm sure they said the | :50:52. | :50:54. | |
same to him. This is an issue of who or not is an issue. | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
Can I ask you about devolution, because George Osborne was the | :50:59. | :51:01. | |
architect of this purity was very proud of it. We feel licensed the | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
new cabinet has come in there is lukewarm enthusiasm for this. | :51:06. | :51:10. | |
I do not agree at all. I think the prime Minster has made it very clear | :51:11. | :51:17. | |
that she is completely committed to the powerhouse. She was in my | :51:18. | :51:21. | |
constituency on Monday. We know she wants to be a prime Minster that | :51:22. | :51:24. | |
rules for everybody. We've got to have representation. | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
She does not talk about devolution with the same enthusiasm. | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
She stopped talking about the northern Para house. It was all | :51:34. | :51:39. | |
about the West Midlands and all of a sudden the northern powerhouse was | :51:40. | :51:40. | |
out of fashion. I don't agree. We still have Minster | :51:41. | :51:46. | |
and we have strong representation. I hope you're right. Of course. If | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
you look at the situation in the north-west revealed hundreds of | :51:51. | :51:53. | |
thousands more people in work, without loads more... | :51:54. | :51:57. | |
I will set a clear test and I will say this to the Prime Minister. In | :51:58. | :52:00. | |
your manifesto you should explicitly make clear that Crossrail for the | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
North, west to east rail across the North should be a higher priority | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
than Crossrail to London. That is a very, very easy... | :52:09. | :52:14. | |
We were told we would have an answer in March but we still don't. | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
I don't know what to be in the manifesto by the Government has | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
shown it is committed to building more and more infrastructure and | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
spending. We had more money invested in the north-western 's 2010. | :52:27. | :52:29. | |
From metro mayors to county councils, where the picture | :52:30. | :52:31. | |
In Cumbria, the conservatives gained 12 seats - up to 37 - | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
overtaking Labour as the largest party after it lost 10. | :52:36. | :52:37. | |
The Conservatives are six short of a majority. | :52:38. | :52:39. | |
The Lib Dems gained one and there are two fewer independents. | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
In Derbyshire, there was a huge swing from Labour | :52:43. | :52:47. | |
to the Conservatives as they took control of the county council there. | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
And after four years of minority Labour rule, | :52:53. | :52:54. | |
the Conservatives are back in charge of Lancashire - gaining 11 seats. | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
UKIP bucked the national trend there by taking a seat. | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
And Lancashire - as ever - is a key battleground in next | :53:02. | :53:08. | |
Phil McCann's been to see if the tide there is turning | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
The Conservatives are circling in Fleetwood. | :53:12. | :53:14. | |
And the county council election results here in North Lancashire | :53:15. | :53:17. | |
It is as certain as the tide that this marginal seat will be a major | :53:18. | :53:29. | |
battle ground in the general election which is why the kind | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
against the conservative made around here and the County Council | :53:33. | :53:34. | |
elections will be so worrying for Labour. | :53:35. | :53:36. | |
Labour lost one of the two county council seats representing Fleetwood | :53:37. | :53:39. | |
Labour MP Cat Smith beat the Tories by just 1200 | :53:40. | :53:46. | |
in the constituency that represents this seaside town and Lancaster. | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
But were people thinking of county or country | :53:50. | :53:51. | |
The library, the museum. They try to take it all away. | :53:52. | :54:02. | |
admit, I have voted Labour in the admit, I have voted Labour in the | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
past but I'm afraid Corbyn is a joke. | :54:08. | :54:10. | |
he? It does not come over to the he? It does not come over to the | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
people, Oregon. Not like the other lass. It is | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
clearly been the national situation that has affected the results all | :54:18. | :54:20. | |
over the country and in Lancashire as well. It opens up, you know, the | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
seat in Lancashire like Fleetwood, where we are. And possibly even a | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
few others. These are swing seats that the Tories will be having their | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
ion. The Deputy speaker represents truly | :54:36. | :54:38. | |
with the majority of order half thousand. Labour's council but was | :54:39. | :54:41. | |
greeted possibly constituency like here in Clayton. City councillors it | :54:42. | :54:48. | |
was not the wash out some were expecting. | :54:49. | :54:50. | |
Across Lancashire it is a little bit grim for the Labour Party. We are | :54:51. | :54:54. | |
clearly now in opposition territory. But in Chorley we held our own. | :54:55. | :55:00. | |
I had a number of conversations about national issues with people | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
and there is a lot of support for two reasons. | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
Was a lot of it Brexit as well? Chorley voted Brexit. A lot people | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
wanted to make sure we got a good Brexit deal. | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
Which runs us to another party that might face trouble. Ukip. This is | :55:14. | :55:20. | |
the only Ukip County Council in the whole country. Many voters have | :55:21. | :55:23. | |
abandoned them for the Conservatives including this format Ukip | :55:24. | :55:26. | |
candidate. The Tories have stolen the Ukip | :55:27. | :55:35. | |
boats. Unless Ukip can come up with another like to run up the flagpole, | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
I don't see a lot of future. All that makes it more likely that | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
two main parties will be the ones scavenging for beds next month in | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
places like this. -- scavenging for votes. | :55:49. | :55:51. | |
And joining us from Lancashire is Geoff Driver, whose return | :55:52. | :55:54. | |
as leader of the council now just needs rubber stamping. | :55:55. | :55:56. | |
Congratulations. A great result for the Conservatives. I was in frequent | :55:57. | :56:02. | |
ahead of the elections, people across there. We know there is a | :56:03. | :56:09. | |
projected funding gap of ?153 million by 2021. You sure you want | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
this job? I'm sorry, the sound is really bad. | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
I did not hear that. Do you definitely want the job? Bearing in | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
mind that you'll need to make cuts of ?153 million by 2021? | :56:24. | :56:33. | |
That's the deficit and that is the first thing we will have two tackle. | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
We've got our plans. With actually suggested we will invest more in | :56:38. | :56:40. | |
some of the services and we will do that. Of course, it will not be easy | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
and we cannot wait to get on with the job. | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
What other plans? Where do you make those savings? | :56:50. | :56:51. | |
Well, the first they will do is look at the way the County Council | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
finances expenditure. There is a history in the County Council of not | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
making the best use of the zone resources and stop making the best | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
use of the way local Government expenditure should be financed and | :57:04. | :57:05. | |
that is the first thing we'll be looking apple. The second thing is | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
to eliminate all the ways that is going on. Tens of millions of pounds | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
are being wasted on political league motivated schemes, one engaging | :57:15. | :57:17. | |
outside consultants, we can save money in that direction and thirdly, | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
we are looking to work more closely with our colleagues and district | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
councils because I am absolutely certain that tens of millions of | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
pounds can be saved every year if the local authorities work together | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
to provide the best services of the people of Lancashire in the most | :57:33. | :57:34. | |
appropriate way. Very quickly. It has been said that | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
Manchester is looking at it repaired because of finances, we see and ends | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
to that? There is a problem there and I have | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
been pressing Government along with a lot of colleagues at a local level | :57:49. | :57:53. | |
to ensure that the Government really does understand exactly what the | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
problems are and perhaps more importantly, exactly how those | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
problems can be so. It is not just a case of giving more money to local | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
authorities in a general way, they need to look very closely at what | :58:07. | :58:11. | |
the needs of individual local authorities are and how each local | :58:12. | :58:14. | |
authority is best placed to meet those needs. | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
Many thanks and congratulations again. Let's start with that. The | :58:19. | :58:22. | |
reality of Government cuts, the reality of us territory is that | :58:23. | :58:25. | |
conservative council leaders are having to pick up the pieces and | :58:26. | :58:28. | |
close libraries, swimming pools. That is what is happening because of | :58:29. | :58:30. | |
a conservative comment. a conservative comment. | :58:31. | :58:34. | |
The Government recognises the pressure on the social care system | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
and that is why things like complete integration of health and social | :58:39. | :58:41. | |
care, that has been trialled in Manchester, I think that is the way | :58:42. | :58:45. | |
forward. There was more money put in in the last budget. And there's an | :58:46. | :58:51. | |
opportunity for councils if they want to put more council tax for | :58:52. | :58:57. | |
social care. Will have to see what's on the manifesto but nobody says | :58:58. | :59:01. | |
this is an easy thing to solve. With an ageing society, more people | :59:02. | :59:03. | |
living with chronic conditions, it is a challenge for the future. We've | :59:04. | :59:08. | |
worked well together, parliamentarians and the County | :59:09. | :59:11. | |
Council, and I'm sure we will carry on doing that in Lancashire. | :59:12. | :59:17. | |
The Labour Party saying an answer for social care provision is to | :59:18. | :59:20. | |
increase taxation for those earning ?80,000 or more. In the glory days | :59:21. | :59:25. | |
for the Labour Party that was not a policy they would have gone with | :59:26. | :59:27. | |
because it is pretty bristling voters. | :59:28. | :59:32. | |
We did something very similar. We raise National Insurance for the NHS | :59:33. | :59:35. | |
in the early part of the last decade in the public accepted it. I think | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
they would accept this policy because the NHS cannot carry on the | :59:40. | :59:46. | |
basis that it is currently working. The social care funding that has | :59:47. | :59:49. | |
been provided as sticking plasters to be honest. I have long argued for | :59:50. | :59:54. | |
a very radical, long-term solution to the funding of social care and | :59:55. | :59:57. | |
again, I would ask all three main parties to put forward genuine | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
proposals for social care in their manifesto. We cannot carry on in | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
this basis. The collapse of social care is leaving older people trapped | :00:06. | :00:08. | |
in hospitals and is tracking down the NHS with it. | :00:09. | :00:11. | |
It has got to be addressed. In these money, does it? What can we expect | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
in the manifesto? The amount of money put into the NHS | :00:18. | :00:24. | |
from 2015 is ?10 billion. I don't what is going to be in the manifesto | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
but we need to look on the outcomes as well. People are living... | :00:29. | :00:38. | |
We're hearing the Royal College of physicians saying that lives are at | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
risk. The Prime Minister does not want any | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
of this to be debated at the election for Bush is that it is all | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
about Brexit and leadership. This is at a point when we have got schools | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
sending him begging letters. I don't agree with that is all about | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
us on the doorstep, I have conversations with my constituents | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
about health care, about education, and just want to address the thing | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
about school funding. You have got to organise, and this has been | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
recognised the existing system... We will have to wrap it up there. | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
Thank you very much. housing associations and investment, | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
but we have run out of time, thank you. Andrew. | :01:16. | :01:26. | |
Four weeks to go until polling day on the 8th of June, what will the | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
party strategies be for the remaining four weeks? Let's begin | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
with the Conservatives. Do they just try to continue to play it safe for | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
four weeks? Yes, with this important qualification. Theresa May Corp this | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
election to get her own personal mandate partly, partly because she | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
thought she would win big but to get her own personal mandate. Therefore, | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
she needs to define it. In her own interests and to do with | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
accountability to the country. So clearly, they will not take risks | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
when they are so far ahead in the polls. What they do say in the | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
manifesto matters in terms of the space that she has in | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
the coming years to define her leadership against David Cameron 's. | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
She is a free figure, partly on the basis of what she says as to how big | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
she wins. They cannot just play it safe and repeat their mantra of | :02:24. | :02:33. | |
strong and stable leadership, if she is going to claim her own mandate, | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
they need the top policy? Yes, and what is unusual about this is that | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
the manifesto matters far more because of what they need to do with | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
it afterwards, than in terms of whether it is going to win anybody | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
over now. Clearly, the strategy is yes, we do have two layout out a few | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
things, there are interesting debates as to whether, for example, | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
they will still commit to this ambition of reducing immigration to | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
the tens of thousands, we do not know the answer yet. It is a | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
question on whether she is setting herself up for difficulties later | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
on. It will be a short manifesto, I would venture to guess? It is in her | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
interests to be as noncommittal as possible, that argues for a short | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
manifesto but what does strike me about the Conservative campaign, | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
aside from the ambiguity on policy, is how personal it is. I think | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
Theresa May, in her most recent speech, referred to "My local | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
candidates", rather than Parliamentary candidates, very much | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
framing it as a presidential candidate in France or the USA. Not | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
a rational on her part. Everything I hear from the MPs on the ground and | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
the focus groups being done by the parties, is that a big chunk of the | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
population personally identify with her. If you can wrap up Middle | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
England into a physical object and embody it in a person, it would be | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
her. Although Jeremy Corbyn's unpopularity accounts for a big | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
slice of her popularity, she has done a good job of bonding with the | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
public. We never saw that coming! But you may well be right. That is | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
happening now. Labour say it wants the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
to play a more prominent role in the Labour campaign, he was on The | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
Andrew Marr Show this morning and he was asked if he was a Marxist, he | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
denied that he was. It surprised me as I had seen tape from before | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
saying that he was proud of it. Let's look now and then. Are you a | :04:32. | :04:39. | |
Marxist? I believe that there is a lot to learn... Yes or no? I believe | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
that there is a lot to learn from reading capital, that is recommended | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
not only by me but measuring economists as well. I also believe | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
that in the long tradition of the Labour Party... We need to demand | :04:53. | :05:00. | |
systemic change. I am a Marxist. This is a classic crisis of the | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
economy. A capitalist crisis. I've been waiting for this for a | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
generation! That was from about four years ago. No, I'm not a Marxist, | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
yes, I am a Marxist... I've been waiting for the Marxist revolution | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
my whole life... Does this kind of thing matter? Yes, but in fairness, | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
I think he is a really good interviewee. The Shadow Cabinet have | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
untested figures in a national campaign. None have ever been | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
exposed at any level to a national media campaign that they are about | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
to experience. He is the best interviewee. In fairness to him, | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
when he gave that clip four years ago, I bet he never dream that he | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
would be in a senior front bench position. But the background is | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
clear. They are of the left, and I think they would all have described | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
it. Jeremy Corbyn would have done, he is close to being like Tony Benn. | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
There are about four Labour campaign is being fought in this election. | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
Their campaign, the old Shadow Cabinet, campaigning in | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
constituencies, but not identifying with that campaign. There is the | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
former Labour leader Tony Blair. Is it damaging? I think so, if they | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
could be damaged any further, I could see all of the Labour MPs with | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
their heads in their hands. What I am hearing from Labour MPs is that | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
there is not one of them who do not feel that they have a horrendous | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
battle on their hands. These will be very individual local campaigns, | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
where local MPs are winning despite the party leadership and not because | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
of it. Already, talk is turning to what happens next. Is there anyway | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
that Jeremy Corbyn, giving a horrendous set of general election | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
results as many anticipate, may stay on all the same? It is not clear | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
that even if the polls are right, that Mr Corbyn will go? John | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
McDonnell implied it might not be the case but previously, he said it | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
would be. What do you make of reports that the Labour strategy is | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
not, I cannot quite believe I am saying this, not to win seats but | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
maximise a share of the vote. If they do better than Ed Miliband with | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
30.5% of the vote, they believe they live to fight another day? Yes, it | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
reminded me of Tony Benn's speech after the 1983 election where they | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
said as bad as the Parliamentary defeat was there were 8 million | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
votes for socialism. A big section of public opinion voted for that | :07:36. | :07:44. | |
manifesto. I wonder whether that is Corbyn's supporters best chance of | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
holding onto power. Whether they can say that those votes are a platform | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
on which we can build. That said, even moderate Labour MPs and | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
desperate for a quick leadership contest. I hear a lot of them say | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
that they would like to leave it for one year. Maybe have Tom Watson as | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
an acting Labour leader. He would still have a mandate. Give the top | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
party a chance to regroup and get rid of some of its problems and | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
decide where it stands on policy. Most importantly, for potential | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
candidates to show what they are made of, rather than lurching | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
straight into an Yvette Cooper Coronation. 30 seconds on the | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
Liberal Democrats, their strategy was to mop up the Remain vote. | :08:26. | :08:33. | |
Uncertain about the Brexit party in demise. Ukip. The remain as have a | :08:34. | :08:40. | |
dilemma, the little Democrats are not a strong enough vessel with 89 | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
MPs to risk all ongoing for them -- the Liberal Democrats. Labour do not | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
know where they stand on Brexit. There is not a robust alternative | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
vessel for what is now a pro-Brexit Conservative Party. At the moment. | :08:57. | :09:04. | |
Four weeks to go, but not for France... | :09:05. | :09:06. | |
France has been voting since early this morning, and we should get | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
a first estimate of who will be the country's next President | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
Just to warn you there are some flashing images coming up. | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
The choice in France is between a centre-left liberal | :09:17. | :09:18. | |
reformer Emmanuel Macron and a right-wing nationalist | :09:19. | :09:20. | |
Marine Le Pen - both have been casting their votes this morning. | :09:21. | :09:22. | |
The two candidates topped a field of 11 presidential | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
hopefuls in the first round of elections last month. | :09:26. | :09:27. | |
The campaign has been marked by its unpredictability, | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
and in a final twist on Friday evening, just before | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
campaigning officially ended, Mr Macron's En Marche! group said | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
it had been the victim of a "massive" hack, | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
with a trove of documents released online. | :09:44. | :09:45. | |
The Macron team said real documents were mixed up with fake ones, | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
and electoral authorities warned media and the public that spreading | :09:49. | :09:50. | |
details of the leaks would breach strict election rules. | :09:51. | :10:01. | |
I'm joined now from Paris by the journalist | :10:02. | :10:02. | |
As I left Paris recently, everybody told me that there was the consensus | :10:03. | :10:16. | |
that Mr Macron would win, and win pretty comfortable you. Is there any | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
reason to doubt that? -- pretty comfortably. I don't think so, there | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
have been so many people left and right, former candidates who have | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
decided that it was more important to vote for Macron, even if it was | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
agreed with him, then run the risk of having Marine Le Pen as | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
president. I think the spread is now 20 points, 60% to Macron, 40% to Le | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
Pen. So outside of the margin of error that it would take something | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
huge for this to be observed. If the polls are right and Mr Macron wins, | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
he has to put together a government, and in May there is a Coronation, | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
then he faces parliamentary elections in June and could face a | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
fractured parliament where he does not have a clear majority for his | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
reforms. He could then faced difficulties in getting his | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
programme through? I think that right now, with how things are | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
looking, considering you have one half of the Republican party, the | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
Conservative Party, they are making clear sides, not only that they want | :11:27. | :11:33. | |
to support Macron but are supporting him actively. It means looking at | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
the equivalent of the German party, the great coalition. Depending on | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
how many seats established parties keep in the house committee may very | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
well have a Republican Prime Minister, rather than having an | :11:47. | :11:58. | |
adversarial MP, he may have someone who is relatively unknown outside of | :11:59. | :12:06. | |
France, and a young woman. Contended that lost the Parez mayorship three | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
years ago. She is a scientist and has been secretary of state. She | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
would be an interesting coalition Prime Minister. Finally, Marine Le | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
Pen, if she goes down to defeat a night, does she have the stomach and | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
ambition, and the energy, to try it all again in 2022? She has all of | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
that. The question is, would they let her? How badly would she lose? | :12:37. | :12:43. | |
Her niece, now 27, a hard-working and steady person, unlike Marine Le | :12:44. | :12:50. | |
Pen, who flunked her do paid -- debate, her niece may decide that | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
2022 is her turn. Yet another Le Pen! All right, we will see. Just | :12:55. | :13:02. | |
five years to wait, but only a few hours until the results of the | :13:03. | :13:04. | |
election tonight. And we will get the exit polls here | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
on the BBC. Given the exit polls will give as a pretty fair | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
indication of what the result is going to be tonight. That will be on | :13:14. | :13:15. | |
BBC news. That's all for today. The Daily Politics will cover every | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
turn of this election campaign, And we're back here on BBC One | :13:20. | :13:21. | |
at our usual time Next Sunday. Remember - if it's Sunday, | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
it's the Sunday Politics. Our crack team of experts | :13:27. | :13:28. | |
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