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It was a short, sharp campaign and now the Ulster Unionists have a new | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
leader. Join me in half an hour when I'll ask Mike Nesbitt to put | :01:24. | :01:34. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2164 seconds | :01:34. | :37:39. | |
some flesh on the bones of his Hello and welcome to The Sunday | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
Politics in Northern Ireland. The three-week contest to become Ulster | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
Unionist leader came to a dramatic climax yesterday. More than 600 | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
party members gathered to cast their votes at a hotel on the | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
outskirts of Belfast. The bookies put Mike Nesbitt ahead right from | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
the close of nominations. And they were right. He won a decisive | :37:57. | :38:03. | |
victory. We'll hear from him shortly. Also on the programme: | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
Remember enterprise zones? The Chancellor has brought them back. | :38:05. | :38:13. | |
But why are there none in Northern Ireland? There has been more rapid | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
progress in England, Scotland and Wales and some of these ideas could | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
apply to Northern Ireland. calls for one MLA to leave his post, | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
another to leave his party and a third to deliver. A baby, that is. | :38:24. | :38:34. | |
It's been a busy week. But first, with me for the next 20 minutes are | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
Liam Clarke, political editor of the Belfast Telegraph, and | :38:36. | :38:45. | |
Professor Graham Walker from Queen's University. Many other | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
delegates we spoke to yesterday said that it was because Mike | :38:48. | :38:54. | |
Nesbitt was good in the media. Is that what it boiled down to? People | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
I spoke to, 10 people coming out of the hall, most of them had been up | :38:58. | :39:04. | |
their mind before they went to vote that they did comment on Mike's | :39:04. | :39:10. | |
speech, they said that he walked around the podium, he was fluid and | :39:10. | :39:17. | |
he was a good communicator. One comment at John was that he was | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
like a Traditional Unionist speech, rousing, but it was a polished | :39:20. | :39:27. | |
performance that they needed. history of the party has always | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
been division over the Liberal agenda. Can this be a fresh start | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
for the Ulster Unionist Party? will have to be. The main challenge | :39:36. | :39:41. | |
is to stop the slide into the margins of politics. The UUP has a | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
long history of covering Northern Ireland and the long history of | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
being the centre of initiatives to resolve the conflict. The party has | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
a great problem in adjusting to not being at the centre of things and | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
this leadership issue is crucial. He will be the third Ulster | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
Unionist leader in as many years. But can he unite the membership? | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
Before we hear from Mike Nesbitt, how did his victory go down among | :40:08. | :40:17. | |
the party faithful? Today is fantastic for us, there is a lot of | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
excitement and they did not know if anybody has realised. Mike Nesbitt | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
will be fantastic. I hope he we energises the people to come out | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
and vote because a lot of Unionists are not voting and we need to bring | :40:31. | :40:36. | |
more young people into politics. is a very good media performer. He | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
declared his campaign early, which helps, and he is a very strong | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
leader with great personal qualities and he made a great | :40:44. | :40:50. | |
effort in going around the country. Both candidates are very positive | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
and they would bring great things to the party but they chose John | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
mainly on his speech and his conviction in wanting to bring | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
opposition into the party and trying to bring an alternative to | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
people. Mike Nesbitt, some delegates we spoke to said that | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
even though they voted for you, there was more substance with John | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
McCallister. When will we get real policies from you? I did not hear | :41:17. | :41:23. | |
John's speech. I cannot comment. was standing for opposition. | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
Actually, there is no opposition so he was standing on taking the | :41:28. | :41:33. | |
Minister out of the executive. I will be clear, we need to be more | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
cohesive as the inept and coherent inner cities. What does it actually | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
mean in real terms? What are you doing that is different from the | :41:42. | :41:49. | |
DUP? You want to ask these questions today and I want to say | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
that what we did 14 years ago is now over. It was the heavy lifting | :41:53. | :41:59. | |
that brought peace. We had a vote yesterday which said that the party | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
accepts that is over and the challenge and what the electorate | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
is looking for is who will do the next heavy lifting? And the big | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
challenge is delivering the social justice agenda in the Belfast | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
Agreement which has not been delivered, bringing about a shared | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
future and that is where we will draw a line between ourselves and | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
the Democratic Unionist Party. previously said Holmes, not houses | :42:22. | :42:29. | |
and homes to be enjoyed. That was described as some as motherhood and | :42:29. | :42:35. | |
apple pie. What is wrong with being aspirational? What I would like us | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
to do is return to where we were a decade ago and become contributors | :42:40. | :42:46. | |
to the Treasury. To do away with the block grant. Why not aim for | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
that? If we're going to grow the private sector, why not have it as | :42:50. | :42:56. | |
good as in the golden era? What DUP policies do you a pose and really | :42:56. | :43:05. | |
differ from? Shared a verses shared out future. Something broader | :43:05. | :43:12. | |
between us. Look at this week, there was a debate over whether | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
George Galloway's shocking success was the final proof that the | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
electorate in the UK are now totally disconnected from Korea and | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
professional politicians and if that is the case, we are in a | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
position where we have an act as someone who isn't a career | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
politician and we can become attractive. He is very well-known, | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
the targeted at particular area and some people say the same things | :43:35. | :43:42. | |
about you! Was that not good politics? To get a good turnout and | :43:42. | :43:47. | |
a decisive vote? Is that not but I was supposed to do? To come out | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
with a large mandate? It's interesting about the turn out | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
because we were told in the run-up to the leadership vote that there | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
were 2000 party members that could vote but only 663 voted yesterday. | :44:02. | :44:11. | |
Around that figure. You were elected on 30% turnout? Tom Eliot | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
had 930 turnout. The it is down. That was a Wednesday night and | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
people had not paid their subscriptions this year and over | :44:20. | :44:26. | |
100 people turned up who did not have a vote. The new people you're | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
talking about, if you cannot motivate those party members across | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
Northern Ireland, to come to Belfast and vote for you, it isn't | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
that decisive, he won in terms of the people who were there. 1400 | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
people stayed at home. If you want to say to the members of the party | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
that what happened yesterday was not good enough, do that, but I am | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
happy. When it comes to the education committee and what you | :44:52. | :44:58. | |
will do in the future, when you step down? I do anticipate that. | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
When you see yourself as being bigger and Minister? Not in the | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
short term but I would anticipate going in before the next election, | :45:06. | :45:11. | |
it would be good for the leader to be in the executive but that is a | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
very long way down the line and there is plenty of movement and | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
objectives to accomplish between now and then. World Danny Kennedy | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
stay? He will be the first person to know the answer to that. | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
have not told them, but you will not say that he will stay? He will | :45:28. | :45:33. | |
be the first to know. When it comes to Unionist unity, during the | :45:33. | :45:39. | |
campaign you commented to the Newsletter there was a soft No two | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
Unionist unity in terms of electoral pacts. But you said | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
yesterday that there is no such thing as Unionist unity. Are you | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
finally saying, we are the Ulster Unionist Party, we are not the DUP | :45:52. | :45:59. | |
and there will be no arrangements at elections. We are. I said after | :45:59. | :46:02. | |
the Westminster election, when we had the alliance with the | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
Conservative Party, that in future we would always stand as the Ulster | :46:07. | :46:11. | |
Unionists, with our own name and believes, and that is where it is. | :46:11. | :46:17. | |
In politics, never say never, but I cannot imagine any circumstances | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
when it would be good for the party and pro-Union people and for | :46:21. | :46:26. | |
politics to have an electoral pact. He said yesterday you wanted | :46:26. | :46:32. | |
electoral success. Which suits could you possibly win back? If you | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
had given the near 600 people who turned up a blank sheet they would | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
have written down Upper Bann and South Antrim for Westminster. | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
woes are the top priorities? would say those other seats that | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
you would are automatically say would be topping the list to look | :46:48. | :46:53. | |
at. I have not started doing that, I have a lot of things to do. I am | :46:53. | :46:59. | |
concerned about the cohesion of the party, yesterday with 81% going for | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
one vision. There is huge cohesion. We will build on that and move into | :47:03. | :47:10. | |
coherence and the message. And look at enhancing the European vote and | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
what to do after local government, what we will target to get more | :47:14. | :47:19. | |
councillors. Liam Clarke, it is interesting the distinction between | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
the DUP and the Ulster Unionists. Is there any point in the Ulster | :47:23. | :47:29. | |
Unionist Party now? That is what might have to struggle to establish. | :47:29. | :47:35. | |
He did say in an interview when a speech by Peter Robinson was quoted | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
to him, he thought he might have said that himself. The UUP are on | :47:41. | :47:48. | |
the DUP ground, can Carson -- it is sometimes hard to see any | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
distinction. There is bad blood between the parties but I do not | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
know that you will get any distinct message to the voter. I was struck | :47:56. | :48:03. | |
by Mike saying that the party was like a business. And prop it was | :48:03. | :48:10. | |
par. I do not know if that conveys any great distinction from the DUP. | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
What I'm saying is that you can have the best policies but if you | :48:15. | :48:20. | |
don't have control of the leaders, what is the point? I want our party | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
to serve the people but you need to be in government. When you go to | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
the doors coming to the next election, when you say that I want | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
you to vote for me, you have to have something different to offer. | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
If you go back to Tony Blair in 1927, they would do the health | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
service differently and cut red tape. You must have policies? -- | :48:42. | :48:49. | |
1997. When he was that my position, 24 hours into the job, he said this | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
party was not fit to govern and we have to take a party that people | :48:53. | :49:00. | |
believe isn't electable and make it electable. It is about politics and | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
also organisation and we need better policies and communicators | :49:04. | :49:10. | |
but better organisation and better resources. When I first announced | :49:10. | :49:14. | |
they were standing for Westminster, the first blog that I read was Mike | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
Nesbitt could turn out to be a good politician but that does not matter. | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
We don't know who the DUP will put up against him and that doesn't | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
matter, he will not win because the DUP have a better electoral machine. | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
And they did win. That is the bottom line? It is knocking on | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
doors and getting members and councillors into the grass roots? | :49:37. | :49:42. | |
The UUP has lost touch with a lot of people, particularly end less | :49:42. | :49:48. | |
well-off constituencies. A recent report highlighted the low | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
educational attainment rates in Unionist working-class areas, for | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
example. There is a huge challenge. And maybe you would need to put | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
forward some distinctive policies to address particular issues like | :50:00. | :50:05. | |
that. Another question that came to my mind is that you mentioned | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
yesterday looking across the water at Scotland, England and Wales and | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
of course one of the great questions emerging is the future of | :50:12. | :50:17. | |
the Union. There is a great challenge for you in showing how | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
Ulster Unionism can relate to that debate, particularly around the | :50:22. | :50:27. | |
Scottish question and the question of any referendum in Scotland. | :50:28. | :50:31. | |
will you campaign in terms of? Leave the Scots to make up their | :50:31. | :50:37. | |
own mind? The if I take that first point, there was a radio debate | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
about how we have not delivered on social justice since 1998. I grew | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
up in leafy suburbs in North and East Belfast and that been | :50:46. | :50:50. | |
relatively easy for me to be here today. If I was born one mile down | :50:50. | :50:55. | |
the road, closer to the city centre, you might never have heard of me. | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
What I am thinking as we are not connected and what any to do is | :50:59. | :51:04. | |
find a family who will adopt me for 24 hours and live in an area of | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
social deprivation because they think it is important to get some | :51:07. | :51:11. | |
feel for what it is like. The last two weeks, we have been debating | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
about whether we should be in or out of government at Stormont, | :51:15. | :51:20. | |
Stormont isn't relevant to a lot of people and there is a big debate on | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
the future of the union and there has not been any better time to | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
debate the benefits of the UK and we have to get out there and | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
promote that. Not just across Northern Ireland but into Scotland | :51:32. | :51:42. | |
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and Wales and particularly into England. Thank you all very much. | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
What have England, Scotland and Wales got that we haven't? | :51:46. | :51:49. | |
Enterprise zones, for a start. The Chancellor revived the scheme last | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
year in a bid to boost economic development across the UK. So why | :51:52. | :51:55. | |
hasn't the Executive asked the Treasury for money to set them up | :51:55. | :52:05. | |
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here? Yvette Shapiro has been London's Canary Wharf is the most | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
successful of the 40 enterprise zones set up across the UK in the | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
1980s. Companies locating in North Belfast's Duncrue Industrial Estate | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
30 years ago got a rates exemption and other incentives. One of those | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
attracted to the area was this major sportswear retailer. Units | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
went very quickly in those days, the late '80s and early '90s. The | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
rates holiday was up until the mid '90s so people wanted to take | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
advantage of this and the area grew very quickly. Most people who | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
located here have been successful. We've been here for almost 25 years. | :52:44. | :52:49. | |
We started here, we grew here and we intend to stay here. Economist | :52:49. | :52:51. | |
John Simpson watched the development of the zones in Belfast | :52:51. | :52:57. | |
and Derry. Those enterprise zones of the 1980s had the effect When we | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
look back on it, what they did was they shifted business from one part | :53:00. | :53:07. | |
of the city to another. They moved business rather than brought in new | :53:07. | :53:12. | |
business so they weren't really deemed to be a success. There may | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
be mixed views, but the Tories have revived this Thatcherite idea, | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
offering tax breaks, rates holidays and speedier planning approval for | :53:18. | :53:25. | |
firms locating in enterprise zones. 24 enterprise zones are going ahead | :53:25. | :53:31. | |
across England. We look forward to the first in Northern Ireland. | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
There has been much more rapid progress in England, Scotland and | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
Wales on enterprise zones and I think some of these ideas could | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
apply to Northern Ireland. We should try to use every tool in the | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
box but it's very much a devolved responsibility as to whether to go | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
ahead. This has been on offer since the budget last year. Privately, | :53:46. | :53:48. | |
Northern Ireland Office officials say they're surprised that the | :53:49. | :53:51. | |
Executive has not sought funding for enterprise zones in Northern | :53:51. | :53:56. | |
Ireland. But local ministers are currently locked in talks, not only | :53:56. | :54:06. | |
on reducing corporation tax but on a looming economic problem. Under | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
current rules, companies that want to expand in Northern Ireland can | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
receive grants from Invest Northern Ireland. Because the province has | :54:14. | :54:20. | |
what is called 100% status for regional aid. But under proposals | :54:20. | :54:25. | |
from Vince Cable, that could be removed. Meaning that only | :54:25. | :54:29. | |
companies based in economically deprived areas of Northern Ireland | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
will receive financial assistance. The minister says the time is not | :54:32. | :54:38. | |
yet right to set up enterprise zones here. The Treasury came | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
forward to say they will give us the power to vary capital | :54:41. | :54:45. | |
allowances in certain zones and that would be great, we will use | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
that money, but we cannot do that at present because we do not know | :54:48. | :54:53. | |
what the story is in relation to the regional picture so it is like | :54:53. | :54:57. | |
the chicken and the egg. That is why we have been pushing the | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
Treasury hard to make some decisions in relation to | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
rebalancing the Northern Ireland economy. What will they do about | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
Corporation Tax? But some of the key business organisations are more | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
in tune with the Secretary of State on this issue, urging the Executive | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
to explore the possibilities. need a number of micro enterprise | :55:13. | :55:19. | |
zones. To redress the economic imbalance of Northern Ireland, | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
particularly West of the River Bann with many areas effectively star at | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
other investment for quite a very long period of time. It can also be | :55:28. | :55:33. | |
applied to helping regenerate town and city centres. It is important, | :55:33. | :55:40. | |
it is some time when it to focus on in terms of having enterprise zones. | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
It's the traditional cry of a leader in waiting. I will deliver. | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
And, as it turned out, John McCallister did, though not the way | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
he expected to. Here's Stephen Walker's political week in 60 | :55:49. | :55:55. | |
seconds. Health grabbed the headlines with a call for the | :55:55. | :56:03. | |
minister to become a political casualty. His head should roll. He | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
is the person who has not delivered. But he stayed put and instead took | :56:07. | :56:17. | |
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a swipe at the Alliance Party. McCartney, in true star, dead be | :56:17. | :56:23. | |
here for a very opportunistic way. -- did be here. Political geography | :56:23. | :56:30. | |
got MLAs excited, with some unexpected language. He did not win | :56:30. | :56:36. | |
the occupied Six Counties?! Ballycastle said goodbye to horses. | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
The UUP said cheerio to David McNarry for nine months. John | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
McAllister's nine-month wait was over as he delivered a very young | :56:42. | :56:50. | |
unionist. The baby arrived into my arms. There was a beautiful moment. | :56:50. | :57:00. | |
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100 years on, we remembered our most famous ship. Just one final | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
word. Interesting, some of the points that Mike Nesbitt put | :57:06. | :57:11. | |
forward. His Danny Kennedy out of his job? He signalled that he isn't | :57:11. | :57:17. | |
sure. He has to think about it. I do fear that Mike Nesbitt isn't | :57:17. | :57:22. | |
very keen on this idea of DUP ministers attending the DUP | :57:22. | :57:28. |