10/06/2012 Sunday Politics Northern Ireland


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Ed has been a week of celebrations and commemorations. The Culture

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Minister is here to put it into perspective. Joining us is Terry

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Welcome to Sunday Politics in Northern Ireland. It has been a

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week of celebrations, with the Olympic torch and the Jubilee.

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There is more to come. A visit by the Queen and the garden party at

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Stormont. The UK City of council -- City of Culture celebrations in

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Londonderry. Well that the Nabil long-term degeneration? -- will

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that create? There is some positive news coming, but the people of

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Derry want to see bricks-and-mortar. My guess -- Sharon O'Connor and

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Terry George. -- my guests are... 10,000 people have been invited to

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Stormont to celebrate the Queen's Jubilee. The news came at the end

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double we kept events -- the end of a week of events. Thousands came

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out to see the Olympic Torch will make its way through towns and

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cities. It has been a busy week for you following the torch. Were you

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surprised how many people came out? I was surprised by some of the very

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early morning starts and the numbers they are. The weather was

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not kind on some of the days, but I knew there was great support for

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the athletes. It was brilliant. People who have overcome great

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obstacles, many celebrities as well, but the focus was on people with

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disabilities and problems to have overcome them. In my own

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constituency, one of the torch- bearer has lost a son through

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suicide. He was carrying the torch for families who went through a

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similar experience. Many ordinary people have done extraordinary

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things. We now know the spirit is alive and well but in terms of

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long-term legacy, could we have done more? What we could have had

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if we had been more organised, could we have done that? I think we

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have done very well in the circumstances. We didn't have

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team's training, we didn't get the swimming pool, or the Vellow drome.

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-- velodrome. We do have nine team's training here, which is very

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good. -- teams. These have been hard to come by and we have done

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well. What about encouraging people to do sport, people grasping that,

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getting more athletes, so the next time they come round we will have

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some more representatives? It will have an effect. Not to be parochial,

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but in the work -- in north Belfast, we have legendary athlete. We have

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young girls getting involved in boxing. That is a good thing.

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about the Jubilee. There will be a huge party at Stormont. How do you

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feel about that? I found out about his garden party through the media,

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it has not been agreed by the Executive. I assume it has been

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concocted in discussions with the DUP. We need to remember Stormont

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is shared. I will not be going to the garden party or any other event

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associated with the Jubilee. I do respect the significance that the

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British Queen has here, but also respect that we are trying to

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promote shared services and a shared future. The fact this has

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been done without any discussion with ourselves jars of me.

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Martin McGuinness know about this? I'm sure he found out of the TV or

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radio like me. That is not the way to do business. They should be

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organised in conjunction with the ministers. Well nobody from Sinn

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Fein attend the party? I will not be attending the party. Despite the

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fact we need to create conditions of mutual respect, and I do respect

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a lot of people who hold the British Queen very dear, I do

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respect that. This may come as a surprise to some people that this

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has been organised without your knowledge, but is this not also a

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signal if he did attend of a real sense of commitment? Details are

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still emerging, and I have not been officially invited. Share futures

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and shared aspirations are done on the aspirations of trust, respect.

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A few weeks ago, it was put forward about meeting the Queen, has that

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been decided? It has not. Details are still emerging. Do you feel a

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real sense of unease about Martin McGuinness meeting the Queen?

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is about speculation. Martin McGuinness has provided excellent

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leadership, leading by example. Martin meeting the British Queen

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will be a decision made by our party. Some people felt you were

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out of step last year, but what the Queen dead in terms of laying a

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wreath for the Irish dead was a real step forward. Should that not

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be reciprocated? At the end of the day, we have made big strides. We

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have always made big strides. But we are a democratic party, and it

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will be a decision made by the party. Martin McGuinness has

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provided excellent leadership, continually. He will do that. Like

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myself, he is governed by the party. Would you be happy if he meets the

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Queen? Would you be happy if he met the Queen in Belfast? Let's be

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straight, I'm an Irish republican, I don't recognise the Queen is

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being the head of the Cid -- as being the head of the state. Terry

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George, there was some sense of tolerance of the Jubilee

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celebrations this week among nationalists and republicans. This

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sounds like it is not straightforward. It is all news to

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me, I just flew in from New York. I fully understand Sinn Fein's

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position. I am a republican and I believed in a reunited Ireland. On

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a personal level, I would have no problem meeting the Queen. I think

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the Pope has done more damage in my lifetime ban the Queen has. That is

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a personal opinion. There are bigger issues that Martin and Carol

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have to confront. They have taken giant Steps and should be

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congratulated. When we look back to the Silver Jubilee, you were in

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Northern Ireland. What sets do you get up the difference between that

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time then, when there was protesting and violence compared to

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what could happen this time? I was in jail, so I had no real

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perspective of it. To tell you the truth I cannot remember it. It

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certainly hasn't come up in my films. You mention your films, and

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the theme of reconciliation does not seem to be back straight

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forward, compared to your films. is never straightforward. It needs

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to be understood that what has been achieved in Northern Ireland, and I

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have said it before, what has been achieved by Sinn Fein, Ian Paisley,

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Gerry Adams, D P, is unique in major conflict around the world. --

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DUP. That they work it out between them is stunning. The people of

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Northern Ireland should not forget that. What they have achieved

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collectively is amazing. It was only achieved in South Africa by

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the defeat of the apartheid government. They sat down here and

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work out the peace settlement. To fixate on Martin McGuinness shaking

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the Queen's hand, Peter Robinson going to a Gaelic football match,

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this nit-picking by the media, it is so destructive in not

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considering the overall scope of the thing. At the end of the day,

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it is only to fill the air space that you are asking these questions.

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The Martin McGuinness handshake would be a mental thing, but to

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keep harking on about it, when there are day-to-day events in

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Stormont that are so unique and precious, it is destructive. What

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about Gary? There would be no chance of having a party for 10,000

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people for the Queen in Derry. of the most remarkable things is

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the level of community participation. It is really

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significant within the committee chamber, we have a measure of

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consensus and partnership. I think it is quite remarkable. I say it as

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someone who came through the period of history we are all live through.

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We have no problem marching together towards a shared future.

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The evidence is palpable within the city. If everyone doubts that, they

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should look. We have a remarkable story. Is it is distraction? It is

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something that will be very significant for a lot of people but

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I do think it is a distraction in terms of recognition of where we

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have come from, where we are now, where we intend to go. I do think

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at times, these issues are very sensitive, and I appreciate there

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is a lot of interest in them, but try to corner someone is not

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conducive. The fact that this garden party was announced in the

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media, people like me feel negative, and in that context, we may be

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asked to make a decision about who will meet the Queen of England, and

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it is not a good backdrop. Thank you.

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Now that Titanic celebrations have subsided, the focus is moving to

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Derry, host of the UK City of Culture 2013. The body responsible

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for regeneration is ILEX, who have been under fire recently for

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spending money without approval. There are concerns it has been slow

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to deliver on key projects. This is very's latest tourist attraction.

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In the middle of a recession, it is an optimistic man to invest in this

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new venture. Here is that man. -- Derry's latest. I went through

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Dublin when they had massive developments that led to the Celtic

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Tiger. The City is putting on a new base and it has impressed these

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tourists. There are great strides being made to unite the community.

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The city itself is very smart. were not met at the border with

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guns are. Otherwise, everywhere looks brighter. There is not much

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to look at here. The city's publicly-owned company, ILEX, had

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big plans, but they never came to pass. The company says they will

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construct many things next year. Across the bridge is another ILEX

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site. Everyone agrees this is a great shared space for dairy. --

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Derry. When you look below the surface, what is here? Only this

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building is occupied by the City of Culture office. Across the way,

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there are plans for a heritage museum. It will not be open until

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2015. In the meantime, we are rather restaurants and art

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galleries? We're rather jobs? have some very welcome development.

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But the people of Derry want to see bricks-and-mortar. It is time to

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get back to the plan. I hope and believe that can happen. This

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journalist has studied urban regeneration project across the UK.

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He says ILEX have been hampered by having too many masters. It has

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been responsible to numerous people and that has held it back. It is

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quite obvious to lot of people that the relationship between ILEX and

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the development committee is not good. The relationship between them

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and the city council is also bad. It adds to the bureaucracy but it

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is our job to make sure it tick the boxes. It manages but it is

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difficult. ILEX has spent over �40 million, and the budget for the

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next few years is �30 million. Some of that was spent on a consultation

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process, during which time, the recession kicked in. We had a plan

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into their them by but nobody owned it. It was not going anywhere. --

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we had a plan in 2005. I think the investment at that time will pay

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off. Some people are criticising the council for not leading the

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City of Culture bid. Actually, the Culture it was led by them. The

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original preparation came out of Derry City Council. We are

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effectively the leaders of the project. Was it a good idea to have

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a separate company? Absolutely. That was about maximising the

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leverage of external funds, encouraging charitable trusts and

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private sector organisations to get involved. It was about embracing a

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wider perspective from the Arts Centre. That is the purpose of the

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company and it has been successful. What about some of the criticism, a

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lack of facilities and some of the site's not being well enough

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developed, no chance of them being well enough developed? In terms of

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the development site, it is being used by the community, the bridge

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has been hugely successful. There are new cafes and museums, new

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things for people to do. The reality is, we will have the Turner

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Prize on that site, the Maritime Museum, the fundamental issues.

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There is a team effort in the city and we take issue with their not

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being good relationships between the city council and ILEX. There is

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a very strong team activity. It is working effectively. If you missed

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any of the comings and goings, here It was the Queen's Diamond Jubilee,

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in case you hadn't noticed. The woman herself was not actually here,

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at least not yet. Enjoying it. Looking forward to the impending

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visit of Her Majesty. We did have a visit from another VIP, the Olympic

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Torch was just about everywhere. There has been crowds on the

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streets. That has bright and everything up. It even crossed the

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border, just like this man. When I was told no Unionist leader had

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ever spoken in a formal sense in Leinster House, I was thinking that

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cannot be right. Another bit of history was made in Ballymena.

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very humble. It will send a message is all around but we need to work

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as a community. -- send out messages. The real reason you are

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in Northern Ireland is to promote your new soul. -- your new film.

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is a comedy. It stars Brendan Fraser. It has a lot of local

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people, shot in Belfast. It is a Belfast film, Belfast comedy.

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you find it easy to get films made here? Has it been easy to get

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