12/01/2014 Sunday Politics Northern Ireland


12/01/2014

Mark Carruthers looks at the political developments of the week and questions policy makers on the key issues.


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Find out later in our week in 60 Seconds.

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foundation to build on? What are we to make

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foundation to build on? What are we that he's gone home, amid

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disagreement and retribution? Sinn Fein and the SDLP have backed the

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package, the two unionist parties haven't, while Alliance is

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supportive of some proposals but very unhappy with others. In a

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moment, I'll be talking to representatives of the five main

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parties, but first our correspondent, Martina Purdy,

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examines the political drama over the latest proposals to tackle

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flags, parades and the past. Richard Haass, you are very welcome.

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This is a very serious attempt to find a solution. I would not be here

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unless that. I believe that the process is on life support.

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Some commentators have displayed -- declared the Haass process dead, and

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are already on the postmortem. We have a process that runs for many

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years, and are too many issues needing to be solved. Even one of

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those issues being resolved would have been a miracle, but expecting

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three of the issues to be done in that time frame was a nonsense right

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the start. Others have a more optimistic prognosis. I think there

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is still life there. The emphasis is on the local parties to find a

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remedy to the problems in the process. That requires all of them

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to buy in. Whether that means that there will be discussions or

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full-scale negotiations, we are yet to see.

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In the meantime, the drama can be excruciating. Some parties seem to

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be re-trench in now. It sends a bad example out internationally. It is

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embarrassing to explain this to my colleagues. On the back of the

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conference that we did a few months ago, will we are now having to say

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that we cannot get our act together, and that sends a bad message.

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that we cannot get our act together, complained about the process.

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that we cannot get our act together, is a code of conduct, and they say

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that the balance is against the state forces and do not like the

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fact that the word terrorist is not in the tech will stop Richard Haass

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is saying that it is unrealistic to expect everything that you want in

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negotiations. I do not understand why anyone would

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ink that is not moving ahead would be preferable. I think it is unfair

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to the victims and survivors who deserve better full is. I think it

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is very bad for Northern Ireland. Republicans want Haass indicated,

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not more negotiations, but are being urged to return to the table with

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Unionists. If there is a consensus to spend some time ironing out the

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issues, fine. You want to avoid where basic issues are opened up and

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renegotiation is an excuse not to go ahead and stop that will become

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apparent soon enough. Some expect that the DUP call for

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more talks is about buying more time. People are concerned about the

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electoral advantage, and the whole next year.

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They have their eye on that prize, and they would love to win East

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Belfast back. The problem for the DUP is the extent to which there are

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Dale tales wagging on that dog, and the concern about the feeling in the

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heartland areas and whether that will cause electoral damage. Even

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loyalists believe the Haass proposals for a much-needed

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examination of victims issues. All is not lost stop we try to get what

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we thought were reasonable suggestions.

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Someone listen to and not. But we do feel that there is an opportunity to

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move forward. Martin McGuinness is that there is a destructive elements

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who do not want to move on. That is a bit rich.

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who do not want to move on. That is Martin McGuinness is

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who do not want to move on. That is responsible. Some warned about

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division, and street violence like this unless it on flags.

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I think there will be more negativity, more disillusionment and

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cynicism. Probably that will end up in Wall Street having more tensions

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involved. -- many street. I worried that the two Divinity School parts.

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And there are economic consequence is. -- the two communities grow

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apart stop some of the things are happening near our office is, so it

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is obvious that people are concerned.

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It is regrettable, to say the least stop church leaders have urged our

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politicians not to give up. As politicians are due to meet next

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week, one of the options is to implement Haass in stages.

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Well joining me now are Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly, the SDLP's Alex

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Attwood, Jeffrey Donaldson from the DUP, the Ulster Unionist Party

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leader, Mike Nesbitt and the Alliance Party's deputy leader,

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Naomi Long. Welcome to the programme. Naomi, can

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be clever one thing. Did your party endorse or reject this package? --

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can we clear up. We reserved our chance to be highly

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critical of what was in the document, because people expect from

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our party that would we are very strong about our future, and honest

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about our assessment of the package and what it will deliver. We were

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very honest about that. It was clear listening to Doctor Haass that he

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interpreted that you rejected the package. That may have been his

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interpretation, but I was very clear in the room and that is not what we

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did. The package fell well short of what we had called for, which was an

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ambitious document that addressed all

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ambitious document that addressed commission and stop us

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ambitious document that addressed progress. In the past, I have agreed

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with Richard Haass and we have a obligation to move it forward. On

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parades, I agree with his analysis, some improvements made and a way to

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go. Richard Haass was clear that the

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parties who did not sign up to the deal that the parties who did not

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sign up need to clarify why they did not do so full. Why did the DUP not

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sign up? We want the best. Where I do agree

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with Richard Haass is that it has to be good for victims and survivors.

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He says not signing up is not good. It's quite specific about that. Yes,

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but I want the best for them, and what is on the table at the moment

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is not stupid and a even a 90% of people in the right fact that

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government cannot acknowledge that, by that, in the case still have a

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ways to go to address what is have in mind of evil is clear in the

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document that there was something in the document for everyone including

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Unionists. You failed to clear the bar.

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It does require compromise. How do you compromise on something as the

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fact that 90% of the deaths in Northern Ireland were caused by

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terrorism and Doctor word-mac cannot even -- Doctor Haass cannot even

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acknowledge that. If he went and talked to the victims of

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described the victims of that atrocity but did not include that it

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was an act of terrorism, he would be chased out of New York.

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But you are also turning your back on some things that Richard Haass

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say are good for unionism, that should be what you want.

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We are not turning our back on anything. We need dialogue to turn

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the gap. We have made progress in terms of how we would deal with the

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past. We have made progress on parades. And on flags, we didn't get

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agreement there. But the opportunity is to take forward a discussion that

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everyone can getting gauged in. There are positives there. -- can

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get in gauged in. The DUP is not walking away from the table. -- can

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become involved in. What is agreed, and what needs to be

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discussed? All the five parties of the executive wanted Richard Haass

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to do this. We wanted to be able to do this. He listened to everyone and

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brought us closely guarded from the outside. -- closely gathered. All

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the parties were involved. We brought him in. There was a

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statement from the four churches saying that we should agree to the

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implication and we have had something that we are glad to hear

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about. That night it was not clear, but it is very clear now. We have

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three parties here, we should implement the proposals.

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She still wants negotiation on other points. Let me be clear. I believe

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that what is in the document should be implemented, but I worry that

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when we go to implement on parades, there

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need to close the gap. What Richard Haass has given us is a prescription

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for more torque, but I do not think it is a good prescription.

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You are playing with words. Naomi did not say renegotiate. She said

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let's implement this. Are there difficulties? Yes, there are. He

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said that 80 or 90% happy with the programme. When you are talking

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about five parties, if we could all say that, we would be doing very

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well will stop that was during the process.

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So a revised position then. He has made that clear. We do have an

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agreement. Now, the British and Irish governments need to get

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involved and talk about it in terms of implementing it. They need to say

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whether they are for or against the agreement. The bottom line is that

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what you have to do surely is reaching agreement with the

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Unionists, not with Richard Haass. At the moment, you and Richard Haass

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are singing of the same song sheet, but the Unionists are not there. The

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Unionists have to explain why they are not there. I have difficulties

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with this as well. Even within the British system, within the system

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they defend, the Welsh language act is protected, the Scottish language

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act is protected and there seems to be this pathological hatred of

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Irish. In the hall, this is a document we can move on with. That

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is what three of the parties are seeing. This is a political

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agreement. Every single agreement we have had, the biggest difficulty was

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implementation. We are dealing with three issues which were already

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dealt three issues which were already

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were 80 or 90% there. Then what changed? I said the ten or 20% not

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over the line represented serious issues for us. Gerry Kelly is

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misrepresenting my position. It was an initiative from the First

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Minister and Deputy First Minister. The other three parties bought into

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it. Who would not agree to enter into a process that would see better

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outcomes on these issues? The most important and significant

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intervention since Richard Haass went home came on Friday when the

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Irish foreign affairs minister, in response to the -- to the debate on

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who was responsible for the car bombs, said it was an act of

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terrorism against innocent victims. If it is good enough for Dublin, why

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isn't it good enough for bloody Friday in Belfast? The British were

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involved in that. Was it terrorism? I am not talking about who was

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responsible. You asked me a question. Terrorism can come from

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governments as well. Let's move on. Is it worth sinking the entire

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process which Richard Haass says would be good for everyone in

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Northern Ireland on the basis of trying to get Jerry Kelly to sign up

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to your narrative and use of language? It is not my narrative. It

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is the rule of law. The 2000 Terrorism Act gives a definition of

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terrorism. I uphold the rule of law. Richard Haass says this would be

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good for victims and survivors. Richard Haass says this would be

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proposals. They didn't want it. You are the leader of a political party

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which represents an awful what of people. Some of them are victims.

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Are you not have a mandate to take difficult decisions and then explain

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them to people who support you and don't support you based on the

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decisions you have taken? That is political leadership. I have agreed

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with the victims I have spoken to that it was not a good deal because

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it was airbrushing terrorism out of history. My leadership was to say I

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would not allow that to happen. You are not undermined by your party

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Executive? You didn't find the rug pulled from under your feet? A lot

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of people think that happen. The words of the motion are the words

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that I wrote. We have some optimism because we have a meeting on Tuesday

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of the five parties. I think that should happen and it should be a

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quiet conversation. The big story this week is not the fallout from

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Haass, it is the fallout from closure of accident and emergency

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units. You can't pretend that Haass isn't also a huge issue. Let's do it

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quietly and get on with it the way we are supposed to do, at Stormont.

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Dealing with the issue of language, Gerry Adams has recently described

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some IRA activities as murder. I don't have any issue with saying

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that there was terror imposed on this island by paramilitary

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organisations. Did this document deliver a possibility for both sides

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to agree on those issues? Everybody agrees the position of greatest

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strength in agrees the position of greatest

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mentioned the comments made by the minister in Dublin. He also said

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that his understanding of Haass was the Irish state, if there was a

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truth and recovery process, would have to give all the information.

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That demonstrated the Irish government is now thinking about the

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implementation of Haass. That is something the British government

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should now think about. Are they prepared to say that when it comes

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to Haass and its implementation, all British records will be made

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available. Those are the questions we should be concentrating on, in

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order that we don't let down the victims and survivors again. They

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have suffered the most and they deserve the most. What compromises

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did the SDLP make? Unionists said they were not prepared to make the

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compromises which were being demanded of them. What did you give

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up on that was geared to you? We have been loyal defenders of the

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parades commission. Another is described the parades commission as

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cheerleaders for sectarianism, the SDLP access it as the rule of law

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the parades commission. We had conversations with Jeffrey Donaldson

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that we were prepared to look again at the architecture around parading.

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But the other parties could not compromise on that important access

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between rights, responsibility and relationships which was at the core

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of resolving the dispute on parades. So we did compromise. There are

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issues in this document were rethink through implementation we can get

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even better. But do not know put in jeopardy the best chance since 1998

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to deal with some of the biggest issues we have never faced up to the

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four. There has been a lot of discussion over the last ten days

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about what went wrong and discussion over the last ten days

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two governments? Do we need to see David Cameron and Enda Kenny step in

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to be more proactive? My reservation about the proposals on flags are

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that if we couldn't even discuss those issues when they were on the

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table, how do you take that forward? The governments need to be

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involved. They are not by standards. They are protagonists in

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the troubles and the need to be involved. I think we are starting to

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see some evidence of that happening. I am sceptical about how hands only

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want to be. Important thing Richard Haass said was that more time will

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not solve this, it is more of leadership that is required. I don't

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want the parties to be involved in another process which will be

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rehashed the last six months. I think the public are tired of our

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arguments. They want to see delivery. The real progress will be

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who can deliver these agreements. We cannot resolve this unless we can

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get some issues off the table. Some parties want to implement what is

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there and you want to renegotiate what is there. How do court that

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circle? There isn't agreement. You can't implement something that is

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not agreed. There needs to be agreement between the five parties.

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Don't yet have an agreement. For people to talk about implementation

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when we don't have an agreement is an very best premature. We need to

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close the gap on whether our areas where there is not agreement. I

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believe that can be done. Based on the discussions we had during those

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talks... Jerry Kelly has said he does not except your narrative.

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talks... Jerry Kelly has said he narratives. One of the things which

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came out of narratives. One of the things which

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acceptance by all that there is not a single narrative. Unfortunately

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Mike continually wants to say there is a single narrative. If it is good

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enough for Aidan Gilmour and Irish government and for Gerry Adams to

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use the term murder in relation to some of the activities of the IRA,

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why isn't it good enough for you? I didn't say it wasn't good enough for

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me. Mike has reduced this down. Terrorism is mentioned in the

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document. One of the issues is language. We are prepared in all of

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this to deal with the issue of language. I repeat this again and

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again. There are a series of narratives. He is confusing

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narrative and facts. Those car bombs were acts of terrorism. Let's end on

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looking to the future rather than the past. Give us a timescale for

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sorting this out. Tuesday will tell a tale. Peter Robinson once a

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working group to resolve differences. Martin McGuinness once

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a working group to implement Haass. They have to work jointly and it is

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up to them to implement this. Will the British government confirm that

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whatever they are prepared to fund and show leadership, I think that

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will be a position of strength. Irish government have already shown

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leadership. We need to leave there. No doubt we will need to return to

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these important issues in the future.

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Thank you all very much. I'm joined from London by the Secretary of

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State, Theresa Villiers. Thank you for

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State, Theresa Villiers. Thank you was recently made we will come back

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to in a moment. Has the time now come for the two governments to step

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up to the plate and take ownership of this issue? Both governments have

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been supportive and involved from the outset. Before this process was

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set up, myself, my predecessor and the Prime Minister continually

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pressed and encouraged the Executive to move forward on a range of issues

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to help heal sectarian issues. We were delighted when these proposals

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were published. I thought it was a good idea to have this further

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process on three of these enormously difficult issues. Throughout, I have

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worked with the parties in Northern Ireland to support that process and

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encourage everyone to find a way to move forward on these difficult

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issues. You deliberately adopted an arms length approach during

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negotiations. They have failed. If you want to avoid political drift,

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you need to re-engage ready quickly. I am engaged and will continue to

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being gauged. I think it is wrong to say that it has failed. Even with

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the robust discussion you have just had. A lot of the parties are seeing

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the parties are saying there is a willingness to continue the

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conversation. What came out from the discussion you have had is that the

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meeting between party leaders on Tuesday will be very important. That

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is an opportunity for them to keep this process alive and keep working.

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I think there is a lot to be said for trying to narrow down the issues

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of difference between the parties to try to focus on a further discussion

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to see if we can get this agreement across the line. I suppose my

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question is, if that something you expect the parties to do on their

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own in a room around a table? Or are you an Irish government going to

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help facilitate that discussion? They didn't manage to sort those

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issues with Richard Haass that on their own?

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We are prepared to facilitate, but we will only get a solution if there

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is a cross-party agreement within Northern Ireland. In many senses,

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that was the whole point of devolution, so that decisions on

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crucial issues like this could be made by the people elected by the

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people of Northern Ireland. Explain what you mean when you say that you

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want to encourage and facilitate agreement and discussion. What does

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that mean? Does that mean that you will chat discussions of that is

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necessary, that she will call them together, or you will sit on the

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sidelines and let them get on with it on their own?

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If I was asked to comment cherry process, I would. -- to chair a

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process. I hope that they will respond to the many comments in

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Parliament this week when MPs from across the house and size to how

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important it was to seize this opportunity. I think considerable

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common ground was built up between the parties, even the parties who

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cannot accept proposals yet seem willing to continue to have a

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conversation to try and resolve those outstanding issues. That is

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the important thing for the party leaders to bear in mind. If those

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issues were easy to resolve, they would have been fixed years ago.

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What about Alex Attwood's specific point, are the British Government

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prepared to fund and implement the Haass proposals? The British

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Government says that the proposals should largely be funded by the

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block grant, which we already provide to Northern Ireland. We

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already provide other funds to the Irish government. If they want to

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come to the British Government, and ask for more funding, we will

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come to the British Government, and Alex act would -- Alex Attwood be

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promised that he asked for, because we think that the funding should

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already come from the ground that they already get from the executive.

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I am joined by Alison Morris from the Irish News and Neill clerk from

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the Belfast Telegraph. That was a very clear answer from Alex

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Attwood's question. No additional funds at this stage. These

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potentially expensive bodies would have to be paid from by the block

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grant. She's did not say no, she said at

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this stage. There is some room, but it was one thing that was not

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counted for when they did the Haass negotiations. It was not considered

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how much it would cost to implement. It was all right not counting the

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cost during the Good Friday negotiations because Tony Blair was

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there to foot the bill with the booming economy. Stopping violence

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is something that the economy should focus on, and it is a bit disturbing

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that it is not being focused on at the moment, they are focusing on

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whether or not words like terrorism are included.

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Is it surprising that it is the language that is dividing people at

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the moment? You do not get the sense from the

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two Unionist representatives, they are painting themselves into a

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corner. It is unlikely that you could get Sinn Fein to agree to the

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word terrorism. It was said that the people who were acting illegally had

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to bear the greatest responsibility for the Troubles.

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We have parties who want to implement and others who want to

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negotiate. Where did we go from here? It will be very interesting to

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see the outcome of the leaders meeting. We did find out there was

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an issue involving the use of meeting. We did find out there was

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brought relief to the survivors and victims, I think many of them will

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be disappointed that the issue of language is halting what could give

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them a recovery process. It is a good example of politics in

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Northern Ireland, that if it is good for one side the other side you not

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think it is good for them. Is it that simple? I think that once Sinn

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Fein agree to it, it is difficult for the DUP to give it to their

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electorate. People wanted to bring it into the commission and give them

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an opportunity to get rid of it before the next elections. What they

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have done is halt that process. We will hear more from you soon. We

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will look at the political week gone past in 60 seconds.

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Heavy rain and strong winds brought fears of flooding and there were

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stormy seas to navigate. The idea that this agreement can keep on

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being negotiated and sometimes positions will change dramatically

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and the parties will change dramatically is not realistic.

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Tributes were paid to Paul Goggins who died on Wednesday. I first met

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him when he was Northern Ireland Minister, and he was outstanding.

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There was a major incident at the Royal Victoria Hospital due to a

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backlog of patients in a Haass. We -- in A Mac. We have had an

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unreasonable amount of patience. And might we see Richard Haass again?

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Would you come back if it sorted it out once and for all?

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The few final thoughts from Alison Morris and Liam Clarke. That laugh

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was very telling. He is not Morris and Liam Clarke. That laugh

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if he would come Morris and Liam Clarke. That laugh

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impression that Richard Haass would intervene again, but not on that

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long-term basis. Was he ruling himself out about being axed back --

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asked back? I do not think there is a point in him coming back. The

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parties need to agree with each other, not with Doctor Haass. They

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need to get the Unionist parties on board and the few concerns that the

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Alliance Party have. Will we ever going to see

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agreement? They agreed the devolution of policing and justice

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before an election. It is possible that if the politicians want to do

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it that it would, but the mood is not very good at the moment, and we

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have Monday and Tuesday's meeting. What would you be hoping for in that

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meeting? Any sort of group that is setup is currently seen as a

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delaying tactic. The concerns have to be met before the election. That

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way, they can say that they are working on the issues, without

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committing themselves to anything. And he for joining us on the

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programme. That is it for today. I will be back tonight. Mont Today.

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Thank you for joining us. Goodbye. -- for storm want today.

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