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to Sunday Politics. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
agreed by Dublin, I'll be asking sale of its Northern portfolio | 0:00:36 | 0:00:43 | |
that inquiry should be | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
There are calls for more leadership plans are. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
is used to appoint | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
my guests are Professor Peter throughout, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:02 | |
Sinn Fein says it needs to be on are still to be agreed. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:26 | |
Mary Lou McDonald, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Welcome to you, thanks very much from our Dublin studio. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
the details still that an inquiry is indeed happening, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:40 | |
to be completely happy for your party | 0:01:40 | 0:01:52 | |
and the Labour Party | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
investigation to happen into Nama, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
Project Eagle, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
the Northern loan portfolio. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
but to concede an investigation literally no other option | 0:02:05 | 0:02:17 | |
that has adequate scope, that has an investigation | 0:02:17 | 0:02:24 | |
perhaps, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
approach, that the inquiry or | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
that that's under consideration. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:41 | |
north, they were in Britain | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
Sometimes this story has been very, very thorough investigation. | 0:02:48 | 0:03:06 | |
were in the north, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
an awful lot of that bare. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
Nama was created by a creature of the Dublin government. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:22 | |
so the decision-making and the... by subsequent government | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
at the heart of this, haven't you? | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
what did or did not happen here | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
you like it or not, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
cannot compel witnesses | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
There are two jurisdictions here, in that inquiry. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:53 | |
two jurisdictions, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
that out, | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
accountable - | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
cannot compel them | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
fundamental problem you've got. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
monies that were lost are Yeah, just to finish my last point, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:46 | |
partition creates a problem for us. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:52 | |
for our part within Sinn Fein, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
joint First Minister, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
to be all-Ireland. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
at any level or in any capacity | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
to support and to participate in absolutely enthusiastic | 0:05:09 | 0:05:17 | |
But let's put it this way - | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
who are asked to cooperate | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
well, I suppose at a minimum | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
draw conclusions from that. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
if we are all agreed, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
specifically in relation that we have a problem, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:45 | |
and I hope we are - | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
we have seen revealed through | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
but anybody who believes in good not just to the taxpayer, | 0:05:51 | 0:06:01 | |
that we need to get to | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
telling me how you're going | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
that we all think need to be answers to these questions | 0:06:06 | 0:06:12 | |
I mean, there's not Dublin to answer those questions? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
all-Ireland investigation work. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
you in the first instance is that | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
to us here in Dublin, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
an investigation, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
of the key players | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
or have Dublin-based entities actually Dublin-based, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:43 | |
you're quite right to point out, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
have a question to answer | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
established by the Taoiseach, so, or away from an investigation | 0:06:49 | 0:06:56 | |
when she says the primary concern Minister's got it right | 0:06:56 | 0:07:02 | |
in this jurisdiction | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
of what did or did not happen we will have a clearer view | 0:07:04 | 0:07:12 | |
such an inquiry might actually by whomsoever wants to conduct | 0:07:12 | 0:07:23 | |
get involved. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
that Arlene Foster | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
Of course there are criminal that description of events. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:43 | |
that would arise from them. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
and simply wait for all of that that we sit on our hands | 0:07:47 | 0:08:01 | |
inquiries and investigations | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
are being pursued | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
It's not impossible at all for us enforcement authorities. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:25 | |
with an investigation in Dublin, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
have led from the front. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
Let me cite also Mairtin O' Martin McGuinness. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:39 | |
Michael Noonan and has made it | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
department will cooperate fully. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
all of us... OK. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
cooperation on a voluntary basis, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
OK. I want to ask you issue around compellability. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:03 | |
where there was a lot Fein's two-day think-in last week | 0:09:03 | 0:09:09 | |
timescale for standing down | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
and under what circumstances he knows exactly when | 0:09:12 | 0:09:20 | |
Gerry has... remains the leader. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:28 | |
No, no. We have a plan, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
Mark, for us as a national party | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
It's about building our capacities and delivering as we are. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:42 | |
No, but he was talking about having here also. Crucially... | 0:09:42 | 0:09:48 | |
When is he going to go? | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
ending partition and Irish unity. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:58 | |
a statement, I think, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
He will not be the leader will not go on forever. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:10 | |
Yeah, he talked about liking the in transition and as and when... | 0:10:10 | 0:10:17 | |
And you see when we make that we support him. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:55 | |
it's interesting to speculate. it... Good. ..but, you know, | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
Thank you. ..Dublin there, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
Mary Lou McDonald. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
Patricia, first of all, Pete Shirlow and Patricia MacBride. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:09 | |
There is a fundamental difficulty on compellability. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:17 | |
on this island. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
in a formal inquiry | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
But the reality of operations everyone concedes is a difficulty. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:33 | |
are cooperating on matters like | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
fuel laundering. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
There's no reason why in terms of investigations. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:47 | |
cooperate on criminal matters | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
if that exists. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
if you look at things like | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
Location of Victims' Remains, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
inquiry into the Project Eagle sale. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
What about political cooperation, working cooperatively cross-border. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:20 | |
which aren't being different issues here | 0:12:20 | 0:12:35 | |
a cross-border commitment | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
public committees, etc. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
First of all, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
no crime has yet been proven. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
maybe that has been important, which is trial by media, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:53 | |
actually here is | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
You can't prosecute somebody for which have different laws. | 0:12:55 | 0:13:08 | |
are the legislations | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
That's the issue. It's not... in both parts of the island. OK. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:17 | |
particular political party, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
and hear lots more from you a OK, we'll come back to both of you | 0:13:20 | 0:13:29 | |
a special legal procedure to Deputy First Ministers used | 0:13:29 | 0:13:39 | |
With me now is the Green BBC journalist David Gordon. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:45 | |
what are they? I think it's a reservations about this appointment, | 0:13:45 | 0:14:00 | |
the Assembly in this appointment, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
So it's been made in a vacuum Commissioner of Public Appointments. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:11 | |
a statement in which it says The Executive Office has issued | 0:14:11 | 0:14:18 | |
across Europe and America in Dublin, in London, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:47 | |
and asked him to do the job. on the shoulder | 0:14:59 | 0:15:14 | |
Why are we not having a about Nama. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:21 | |
We've seen recently just in the a north-south inquiry. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:39 | |
and we've all had an from the Executive Office | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
I mean, this is the be summed up in one sentence. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
I think the fuss is about What's the fuss about? | 0:15:55 | 0:16:02 | |
and I think if you even look at who use of public money | 0:16:10 | 0:16:16 | |
journalist, he's a digger. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
against effective challenge. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
they can bring him into the tent, they can employ David Gordon, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:43 | |
is that you're all frit | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
you're terrified now because | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
I think it's the opposite. Arlene to be working for the executive. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:55 | |
she's challenged, she loses her rag, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
OK, let's just bring in Arlene. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:20 | |
Well, there's an element here, there and everywhere else." | 0:17:20 | 0:17:30 | |
"Well, why would it not be all right have to sort of think, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:37 | |
because all it does is sift out to do that | 0:17:37 | 0:17:44 | |
I think that the problem with to make this appointment? | 0:17:45 | 0:18:06 | |
there you go, the best person for the job, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:21 | |
which is, or a George Orwell book, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:32 | |
That's one of the most unmannerly, of North Korea. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:42 | |
It made accusations about people. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
"you did things like this whenever in charge, you're not in charge, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
The document should've been coming out of transition needs. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:14 | |
That was what was issued statement, I think. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:26 | |
a lot of points to pick up on here. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
"is a political decision, of David Gordon | 0:19:30 | 0:19:39 | |
Yeah. And this is something that Get over yourselves. | 0:19:39 | 0:20:27 | |
As a paediatric pathologist | 0:20:27 | 0:20:48 | |
says it will investigate | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
A DUP MLA reveals Northern Ireland property portfolio. | 0:20:51 | 0:21:15 | |
is likely to be up at Stormont it says about what the mood | 0:21:46 | 0:22:10 | |
to not just simply be an opposition for the opposition | 0:22:10 | 0:22:35 | |
responding to a government a politics which is about | 0:22:35 | 0:23:24 | |
Join me for Stormont Today, that's for this week. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:33 |