28/10/2012 Sunday Politics Scotland

station in the capital. Gary Glitter was brought out of his

home in central London and taken into custody early this morning. He

was arrested as part of Operation Yewtree, off the police

investigation into the stream of allegations Jimmy Savile and others.

A former pop star, has already served position -- prison sentences

for a child offences in Britain and Vietnam. His name has also been

mentioned in connection with Jimmy Savile. Lord Patten has told a

newspaper that the scandal as but the BBC's reputation on the line.

The corporation was dedicated to finding out that truth. Labour says

the investigation set up by the BBC are not enough. Her we need one

overarching enquiry. It should be independent because there are big

lessons to be learned here, not just for the BBC, although the

epicentre was that the BBC, but elsewhere. The police in --

investigation has produced over 300 alleged victims. In the days ahead

police are expected to make several more arrests.

An independent think-tank is suggesting that a crackdown on gang

culture if in a response to last year's riots may have backfired.

The Centre for Social Justice claims that in some cases arrests

led to more violence. It calls on the authorities to prevent

youngsters joining gangs in the first place.

A BBC investigation has found some care homes in England that had been

awarded a five star ratings by independent companies are failing

to meet the essential requirements. In the United States, president

Obama has held a conference call with emergency chutes to print --

prepare for one of the biggest arms to hit the eastern seaboard for

many years. Hurricane Sandy is that already 1000 kilometres wide and

after lunch all it is likely to collide with a winter storm from

the West. State of emergency is in place across most of the East Coast.

That is all the news for now. There will be more news on BBC One at

five past sex. -- 5 Pass six.

Good afternoon. Scottish Ministers want more powers to deal with

drink-driving. The SNP Government is to cut the limit, but also wants

to be able to conduct random testing and bring in tougher

measures for young drivers. It is now planning to cut the limit

from 80 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood if down to

50 milligrams. But SNP Ministers now say that has not gone far

enough. The Scottish Justice Secretary has asked Westminster for

a further responsibilities which would allow police to carry out

random breath testing as well as being able to make penalties for

the offence even tougher. And Scottish Ministers also won powers

to cut their drink-drive limit for or even further fir Newt a

qualified drivers. -- or a newly qualified.

The drink-drive limit will be staying as it is an England wells

north of the border Scottish Ministers say more action is needed

to tackle the problem. The Chief Secretary to the tragedy

-- Treasury, Danny Alexander, says the First Minister Alex Salmond as

more questions to answer about his conduct over legal advice and

Scotland's membership of the European Union. Why was it that he

allowed thousands of pounds of taxpayers' money was invested in

preparing a court case to prevent him releasing legal advice that

turned out do not exist on Scotland's EU membership. There are

rules about public finance in this country which means you should not

waste taxpayers' money. This is one of the most extraordinary episodes

of the most extraordinary episodes we have seen so far. If time for

the weather: After a bright start to the weekend yesterday, we are

ending on Saddam not. Fairly breezy as well. -- on a damp

note. Temperature Wise, around nine or ten degrees in the south-west.

Into the rest of the evening, the rain clears away and showers

continue in the north-west. Tonight it should be frost-free. That is

the forecast for now. It is back to The NHS needs to make millions of

pounds of savings. Audit Scotland says the health service needs to

focus on long-term planning, and the way its finances are organised

makes that difficult. After years of growth the health

service is facing a leaner times. The NHS must save �270 million this

year, nearly 50 million less than last year it still challenging. It

is a sign NHS Scotland is not in a half a % rise in energy prices cost

�2 million for the largest Health Board, Greater Glasgow and Clyde.

Even so, Audit Scotland van or Health Board broke even in the

financial year 2011-12. But the report sheds light on how it that

was done and says the focus on balancing the books every year may

skew priorities. The risk for the short term is that changes are

really needed to meet the challenges available in the future

and the demographic changes we know are coming can be squeezed out. The

annual focus can make the changes harder. We know that in order to

break even each year, some wards were having to move money across

the system. Others were relying on savings and a handful relied on

extra support from the Scottish Government. We think it would

increase transparency that was made more apparent in the accounts.

Scottish health boards say they will meet their targets this year

but said that may become harder to achieve. This expert in public

finance degrees and highlights a backlog in building and equipment

maintenance that is built up to a estimated billions of pounds.

dangers of efficiency savings are the huge amount of bad luck

expenditure on maintenance. There are huge budgetary pressures that

will not go away. The short-term pressures are there and exist so

you can say it is a nice idea over the long term but the pressures on

the health boards are on the short term. At Holyrood the sometimes to

polarised debate about health spending... The health budget is

predicted to decline in real terms for the next three years at the

Scottish Government maintains the Budget is going up and that

investments are taking place to help patient care. It says there is

currently a realistic increase in spending. If you spend any time

with nurses, with the ambulance service, with patients themselves,

you will hear stories of the NHS scribbling. -- Sproat -- struggling.

The NHS staff do a great job but they cannot keep doing it with

fewer resources and increased demand. If you look at the number

of people treated by the NHS every year, if you look at the waiting

times for performance, the improved treatments, the number of

operations we are doing, all of that is performing far better than

it has ever done, so to say that the National Health Service in any

way is in any kind of crisis is total nonsense. There are

challenges that we are rising to the challenges. All parties

recognise times are tough. The question is how best to cope and

the answer really matters. End your health spending of �11.5 billion --

annual health spending, is about a third of the entire Scottish budget.

With me is Theresa Fyffe, the Scottish director of the Royal

College of Nursing, and Ian Mullen, the former chair of NHS Forth

Valley. Theresa Fyffe, two characterisations we heard there

from the Scottish Government and the Labour Party. One saying there

is no crisis, another saying this is an alarm call. What you think?

The first thing we need to do is acknowledge that the staff, doctors,

nurses, managers who are delivering good health outcomes for patients,

but they're doing that against a backdrop of increasing financial

restraints and what the NHS board are doing to balance the books are

not sustainable. The what way? Things like keeping a vacancy open

for a number of months, or trying to reduce the workforce. Nurses may

be having to continue to provide the same service with less staff

and less resources. That cannot continue because that has an impact

on the well-being and stress of those staff. And this is a result

of the way that the budgets are run on an annual basis, that there is

not enough thought to the long term? When you are running annually

and you have a savings target to meet you have to find those savings

and they tend to be on a short-term basis. What the hell sports are

struggling to do, there's some have done that, is fined and release the

money to be able to do a significance service redesigned

that might bring in the savings they require, so short term, it

does not allow that approach to happen. Ian Mullen, you have done

it. You have been in charge of his money and had to wrestle with these

problems. Is it difficult? course, but I think auditors always

look at a very small part of any system and examine it, and that is

what Audit Scotland have done in this particular case. They have

looked at the financial performance of the NHS and they have not looked

at the big picture because that was not their role here, and what they

have said is that three of the health board's required additional

financial support, which is repayable and that financial

support was based on some quite specific problems for those three

boards. But they were unhappy people did not know about that.

They have to uncover it, basically. I think... I think anyone reading

the annual accounts of those three health boards would see that they

had support. What they would not have seen was the detail of that

and that is precisely what Audit Scotland have done. But is also

important to remember that there were other -- and nine other votes

which produced services, so overall, NHS Scotland break even. -- nine

other boards. In doing that it is also important to realise that in

achieving that breaking point, the health service has continued to

provide a very high quality of service. When I was appointed ten

years ago as an NHS chair, people were waiting two-and-a-half years

for hip replacements, for example. Now it is nine weeks, and that is

still being achieved under this financial regime. Sure, but do you,

for Theresa Fyffe, think we have yet had an honest debate about how

we're going to continue to afford this level of care? I do not think

so. I understand what Ian is saying which is why I said at the

beginning that the performance of the NHS in Scotland has been very

good. But the public has to understand we will have financial

constraints that will increase and if we're not able to demonstrate

where the shift of funding in the system is, that transparency about

where money is being used, where it goes, what is being spent on in

health, the public will not understand that there is actually

choice and perhaps the toughest choices in the future. By u talking

about -- are you talking about big ticket items, flagship policies?

believe so. The public at the moment might say, for example,

there has been the recent debate about three prescriptions, whether

we can have for theirs. You are saying we cannot? I am not saying

so at all. -- about whether we can afford those. We are concerned that

the efficiency and productivity that can be delivered in the health

service, already much has been done about that, but when you try, for

example, to find funding for a new innovation, for example, in the

Western Isles I have brought in the use of digital pence. -- has a 35 %

productivity. In a nutshell. They give the ability to electronically

collect data. The communities have nurses that are able to collect

that data. We cannot get the funding for that and we do not know

why it is not available because it did not transparent. Ian, is the

problem not a tussle between the short and long term? I do not

except to research's point that the public do not face -- understand

financial restraint. Perhaps they do not understand that it means

that at some point something has to give? Actually, I bear the scars of

dozens of public meetings and when we have gone and discussed the

services we were going to provide and how we wanted to change, and it

may be simple to have the discussion with the public about

changing things like reducing tattoo removal and so forth, but

when you start to talk about reducing expensive services such as

infertility, there was a real problem, so I am all for being as

open as possible to the public. I think that is very important that I

do go back to the fact that the health service is still currently

providing a range of high quality services, even in the current

financial situation. I think you both agree on at any weight. Thank

you Bose very much indeed. Music, according to one of

Scotland's most talented performers, is like daily medicine. Dame Evelyn

Glennie made her name as a virtuoso percussionist, a superb achievement

for anyone, all the more remarkable considering she is profoundly deaf.

Now after her stunning role in the opening ceremony at the London

Olympics, she is performing a new show in Glasgow and banging the

drum for musical education in schools.

On the threshold a factory in her native North East, Evelyn Glenlee

delights the audience. -- Dame Evelyn Glennie. These amazing

talent was encouraged by supportive teachers at school in Aberdeenshire

and that London Royal Academy of Music. She says she feels music as

vibrations in the air and her deafness does not really affect her

life very much. Her contribution to the UK music scene was recognised

in this performance at the London Dame Evelyn Glennie is in Glasgow

this weekend performing at the Tramway with dancers. But would her

career have flourished in today's education system? A recent study of

5,000 pupils by Strathclyde University found that not one with

a physical disability was being taught how to play a musical

instrument. Three at a four councils also charge for music

lessons and a report claims deprived children are missing out

on the chance to become the next Dame Evelyn Glennie.

I caught up with Dame Evelyn Glennie yesterday and she began by

explaining to me how vital her own education was to her musical

development. People just sang and played whatever instruments

happened to be in the House. We were not looking for the next X

Factor winner or something. Music was an extension to a family

environment. Families are very fragmented nowadays and it is hard

to get that seamless line between a family life and education. And it

really was the case where families knew what was going on in schools

and I really felt that, and the staff were able to feed the

information and in a way to almost be able to give a more bespoke

education for individuals. Now it is very hard to do that when you

have the mother here and the father there and goodness knows, the

fragmented structure. It is far more difficult to do that. So it is

a challenge for the current education system to provide the

kind of support that you had in a different environment? I think that

is true, coupled with the fact that we have just exploded with

technology and so on and although there is more communication that

happens, we can all communicate with each other far more quickly

and more easily than actually ever before, and in a way we are all

experiencing music more than we have ever done before, but

everything is in a much more isolated way. And in a way, there

is also this feeling of we expect something to happen. That has done

something to us. I feel we have lost the journey of being able to

achieve something. And I feel this is something that is affecting our

education system, the way that the teachers interact with pupils. It

is really listening and finding out what is it that makes that

individual tick. So you would say you got good support at school but

I suppose it is suffering now due to cuts. How important you think it

is to make sure that all children at are included when it comes to

the arts in school? It is vital. For me there is no debate on this.

It is absolutely crucial. The one thing about Alan academy, the

school are Renter as a secondary school, was that it was a former

integrated school. You had hearing impaired people, sight impaired

people, people with all sorts of challenges. And the motto, as it

were, are the headmaster, and all of the staff menders -- members,

was that every pupil belonged to every single department of that

school and I remember several youngsters being part of the

musical department, including me, and I was accepted like any other

child of a hat. And that psychologically was so important,

and we see this time and time again. If we take something like Japanese

music and we see the power of that, with, for example, adults who have

experienced brain damage or are the challenges in their lives, there is

no compromise musically. This is something that, for example,

Strathclyde University has really explored, and is happening up and

down the country. Do not leave it too late for something to happen.

We need to feed the youngsters immediately and I truly mean

immediately. But we also need to support the families as well, to

give the families that understanding of why music is so

important and the participation is I would also like to talk about you

or involvement in the Olympics? wanted to depict the industrial

revolution. I was very happy an honour to be involved with this.

That was a terrific example of teamwork and by that I mean

teamwork from the whole technical crew working behind the scenes. But

also the fact that 99% of the people we saw perform off, and

certainly drumming in my part, where volunteers. People who had

never picked up a pair of drumsticks before. I cannot tell

you the impact that that has had on people. In a way we are seeing this

with the wonderful work that Gareth Malone is doing with the workplace

choirs and different environments. We are seeing the power of music in

that kind of way. What this country, the British Isles has done, is

really, we have got such richness and our culture, traditional

culture, music and dance and art and so on, we have been able to do

-- in the past to hold on to that. We have made it part of our lives

and we are losing that now because it has not been fed into our

schools if, and that has had a big name -- big impact. We are finding

foreign students coming into our music institutions. We do not have

enough home-grown talent. In terms of the Olympics, some people talked

about it bringing the United Kingdom together. Can I ask your

opinion on whether you are British a Scottish? What do you think as we

approach the referendum and a couple of years' time? I am very

proud to be British, very proud to be Scottish and very proud to be

European. I would like to hold on to the Britishness. If I think we

have a wonderful culture that we all share together, we really do.

As a musician, I am seeing that we are really sharing our wonderful

cultures, are Welsh culture, R Irish culture, English culture,

Scottish culture - bringing that in a musical way that is very special

that has influenced me and my profession. I do not want to lose

any of that. I do not want to lose the fact that I am a British person

and very proud of that. Dame Evelyn Glennie.

It is that time of the day when we take time to analyse the top

stories coming up. And this may I am joined by two

members of the newly farmed referendum committee at Holyrood.

The former Conservative leader, Annabel Goldie, and for the SNP,

Stuart Maxwell. Stewart Maxwell, Dame Evelyn

Glennie will not be voting for you. She lives in England, but it

appears she would not be voting yes what she said was that we should

hang on to what we have been called the Social Union, the cultural

aspects the unite the people of these isles. If I think there are

many things on the cultural side, including music, that we share,

that we carry on. What we're talking about here is whether we

carry on the political union. We can carry on the social aspects are

valued by the people of these islands, but in terms of political

decision-making, we should bring about an independent Scotland.

you will carry on to try and win her over? Annabel Goldie, what do

you think what Dame Evelyn Glennie said there. I thought it was a

refreshing reflection on a different part of culture. A

everything that is meaningful to her in her life, she sees is being

completed by being part of a United Kingdom structure. We're supposed

to be talking about what is coming up this week. It will involve

touching on what has happened on -- already. Alex Salmond caught out on

EU legal advice says the Independent on Scotland --

Independent on Sunday. The paper is suggesting that there was some

legal advice. It was not a blank sheet of paper, that Alex Salmond

was told that negotiations would be required on EU membership. What is

the truth of this? There has been a lot of a calling this week and I

think that is unfortunate. It does not help anyone understand what are

complicated and important decisions they have to make. What the truth

is I think is clear - all Government publications and the

First Minister mention that in the interview that started this off,

they go through the local -- proper process. No specific legal advice

was sought on the very specific question of EU membership because

governments cannot publish that kind of information. The you except

that at the very least the impression was given for many

months that the Scottish Government had legal advice, not least up --

because on this programme he said, yes, when he was asked? There is

another 27 words beyond that which was missed out. But the point was a

whole debate over this year has proceeded on the basis that there

was some legal advice. It turns out that Nicola Sturgeon all the needs

as a lord advocate for his position as she can tell us there is no

legal advice. Why did she not do that months ago? We had the

Edinburgh agreement in place. The point is that before you have the

process laid down, agreed by both governments, so we know precisely

what the process will be leading to independence, a legally binding

arrangement, then we can see the context into which the rest of the

UK an independent Scotland would then move forward, you cannot get

legal advice and that question. think his solution to the Edinburgh

agreement as a red herring. If it was that important why did the SNP

delay publishing their findings of the consultation? Alex Salmond

created an impression in the minds of the public they he had legal

advice about Scotland's status as an independent country in the EU.

He must have known that impression was helpful to has cause. What he

did not do was disabuse the public of all we now know what to be

erroneous perception of that there was a vice. He affirmed the

perception there was advice with this decision to go to the quarter

of --... Court of Session. M must have been the most expensive fake

Levi in history. The Ministerial Code is clear - you can never

confirm or deny the existence of legal advice. All governments of

all colours have done exactly the same thing. The Edinburgh agreement

was in place and that was a point at which you could seek the

specific legal advice. She then we asked the officers were there are

none of she had come as an -- or not whether she had permission to

publish that information. With respect, that is rubbish. The

Edinburgh agreement is nothing more than a stage and a process. From

May of last year we knew we would have a referendum. If your

Government was in a position to make that call. The timing was

somewhat in that what we knew we were going to have it. Now whatever

happens in between on the discussions of having the vote is a

matter of profound interest to their Scottish people, including

issues on something as important as membership of a EU, have you got

legal advice on? If let's speak on Trident. Annabel Goldie, should in

the UK Government set down with the Scottish Government and thrash out

how they would cope of Scotland where independent? I think if you

are going to select that aspect then you would have to suggest that

the UK Government should expected to set down and thrash out every

consequence on a lot of independence will stop shouldn't

it? I don't agree with that. There is no room for complacency but I

don't think there was support for independence. Let the Scottish

people have their say and once they have had their say respond to that.

Stewart Maxwell, the problem is that people do not know what it

will look like, an independent Scotland off in terms of Trident?

The SNP and Government have been clear on our position of nuclear

weapons. That is crystal-clear. The Scottish Government has made it

clear if there next year we will have a white paper which will

publish all of the detail laying out the prospect is that we will

fall to. Giving the detail on many of these questions a year in

advance of the votes. That is the time when many of the questions

will be answered. I think it is important we now move on to the

proper debate about the substance of these issues and raise their

game of opposition politicians on the name-calling and Spears.

sentence will stop the SNP leadership as the SNP membership to