09/12/2012 Sunday Politics Scotland


Andrew Neil and Isabel Fraser with the latest political news and debate. With shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna, Conservative Matthew Hancock and Nadine Dorries.

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Welcome to the Sunday Politics at the end of the week when we have


had an Autumn Statement with a distinct winter chill. A The


Chancellor said he would miss his debt target, that the country is


going to have to borrow even more and that we are looking at


austerity for as far as the eye can see. But business largely welcomed


the Autumn Statement, with its lower taxes on profits, tax relief


for investment and the binning of a rise in fuel duty. We'll ask the


Shadow Business Secretary if he agrees.


And, je ne regrette rien! I'm a Celebrity's Nadine Dorries tells us


she'd happily do it all again and lashes out at her tormentors.


The papers are full at of scurrilous lies about myself and my


family. In 7.5 years, I have never taken a single parliamentary day


away, not one. And on Sunday Politics Scotland,


we'll be asking if plans for unconventional gas exploration in


Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1844 seconds


Scotland are a cheap energy dream That is a huge achievement in


politics. Is that all for the greater good of the Conservative


Party or for Madine Doris? If you go ran my constituency with me, you


would think it was for the greater good of the constituency. Other MPs


are telling me they are hearing the same from schools in their


constituency. Many schools in some constituencies, the pupils do not


know the names of MPs, particularly Conservative MPs. But people now


know who I am. It was for the greater good of Madine Doris?


think it was for the greater good of the Conservative Party. It shows


that Tory politicians are not afraid to go out and engage with


people. What size will the Phoebe when you have to declare it on the


Members' Register? -- fee be. interview every day, MPs, male MPs


who have outside interests, have you ever asked them what their


parents are? I have never your asking a male MP? Per haps he


should listen to our programme more often. Would you like to have the


whip restored? Of course I would. One of the issues he named his I


had to speak to my association. I spoke to them last week and there


was a 100% vote. You always have to, out in the street with me on my


constituency to know what my constituents think. -- to come out.


Would you do another television programme? A I think it is a once-


in-a-lifetime thing. I do not think I am likely to be offered another


reality TV programme. There are suggestions that if the Tory whips


will not restore the whip or impose tough conditions, you might defect


to UKip? I think you must be about the 20th person that has asked me


that over the last year. I am looking forward to receiving the


Tory whip back. I am a Conservative. Is it your intention up to fight


your constituency in the next election as a Conservative? Yes. I


very much hope so. And you wouldn't rule out running as a UKip


candidate at the election? I am very much hoping that I will have


my whip a restored in the not-too- distant future and I will fight


this constituency as a Conservative MP because I love his constituency,


I have given of my life to it for the last seven years. Do you think


your political career is effectively over? No, not at all.


It might just be beginning. What is the political ambition now for


Nadine Dorries? I have always had cost us that I haven't that -- I


have always had costs that I have championed such as reducing the


time limit on abortions. I hope now that people will listen and know


who I am. This is this Sunday Good morning and welcome to Sunday


Politics Scotland. Coming up on the programme.


The Chancellor wants cheaper gas. Splits in the kirk over the


ordination of gay ministers. We will be live outside the Tron


Church in Glasgow as its breakaway members hold their final service


before being evicted by the Church of Scotland.


And would a new law to cut high hedges down to size end the misery


of warring neighbours? We cannot see anything of the


countryside and it would not spoil our neighbour's views if they were


The Chancellor's autumn statement had a distinct wintry feel, but he


tried to warm us up with the promise of cheaper energy bills. As


we reach for the thermostat, the UK Government's gas strategy set out


how to exploit so-called unconventional gas. Those are


deposits buried deep below the ground. However, pilot projects are


coming under fire as people object to pipelines running underneath


their homes and concerns grow about the potential environmental impact,


as Andrew Kerr has been finding out Data energy has been extracting


coal bed methane at its test sites. It wants to expand the programme.


am very excited about this. We have been watching the decline of the


North Sea gas and that is very concerning. I am delighted we have


a resource that we can bring it to continue with this country's


progress and development. Chancellor published his gas


strategy alongside the Autumn statement to make the best use of a


low-cost gas, unconventional gas such as coal bed methane and Schuil.


Fracking is used for shale gas extraction. -- coal bed methane and


This is No. 8 in the system. The company are keen to point out that


the wellhead is unobtrusive, it will pump the methane into a gas


pipeline which is currently under used at the moment because of a


decline in North Sea gas. A key benefit of this exploration is the


security of supply it could provide the UK, keeping prices stable.


Additional gas from the UK and security of supply, we would have


it available all year round. despite assurances about health and


safety from the company, local people are concerned. They have


lodged objections to the planned development. In this ballot, they


say the pipeline will go under their homes. They have been backed


in their objections by nearby home builders and Network Rail. They one


the developer to less -- they want Our concerns about water, about


contamination of water, about methane gas in the ad was fear,


about how methane may percolate through the ground levels and we


feel that not enough has been done to raise awareness in at their


local area. The application is licensed by the UK Government's


Department for Energy. The local council decide on the planning and


the Environment Agency makes sure that regulations are kept. People


hear what the Scottish government to intervene. Ministers told us


shale gas has and coal bed methane are not included in our energy


plans for our national energy modelling. Environmental groups say


it is not they did -- it is not needed in Scotland. It is not a


economically viable unless the price of fossil fuel is very high.


We do not need it because there are plenty of renewable resources.


During these cold dark days, tuba bills that would be welcomed. But


this controversial new process makes some people feel it will have


a real impact on their lives. Joining me now in the studio is co-


convenor of the Scottish Green Party, Patrick Harvie MSP, and in


our Oxford studio, Labour's shadow energy Minister, the MP, Tom


Greatrex. Before we go into this in detail,


what are the potential benefits? They have not been proved. There is


a lot of excitable commentary on both sides, but we do not know what


the potential actually is. We will not know until we have a proper


investigation. We just do not know. Some of the things that George


Osborne was saying last week are misplaced. Were you able to get


their reassurances that you think would lead into a secure and safe


supply? I think we could look at to extract unconventional gas. But it


has to be done in the right order. Suggesting that activities could


commence before a proper regulatory processes are in place, and there


are a lot of different elements to this, and many authorities involved


in this, planning authorities in Scotland around clear where their


responsibilities lie, so we need to clear all that up and get it into a


very clear place to give reassurance to those people who are


quite rightly concerned about this. There has been a very poor


experience in the US. Are there any reassurances at all that would


persuade you this is a good way to go? There are many question-marks


about the local environmental impact and with the UK Government


looking to create incentives to explore the possibility of this


kind of extraction across 20,000 square, just in that Scotland, it


is likely that there will be different answers to that question


in different parts of the country. But one thing does not change. One


factor does not change weather it is fracking, coal bed methane, or


North Sea gas. We are adding to the problems of fossil fuel. We cannot


afford to burn fossil fuels if we are serious about climate change.


Every member of the Scottish Parliament is supposed to be


serious about climate change. A new -- for gas would not only loch in


dependence on gas, it will, I believe, take away from the


momentum that has been built up around of renewable energy. It


would replace them will also with gas -- renewables. But it would


mean cheaper gas bills and energy security, which is an increasingly


problematic area. Will that not up a political balance? -- tip. I


think it is more likely to be around security of supply than


price. We used a lot of gas in terms of heating, despite moves to


district heating schemes and energy efficiency. If we can have an end


deja the supply as opposed to at importing more, that would be a


good thing. I'm not sure that I by the argument about price. That


seems to be an extrapolation of the experience in the United States. It


is more to do the security of supply. It may help to stabilise


the price. I share some of the concerns of Patrick Harvie has


expressed about the -- for gas -- the dash for gas. We are subject to


the fluctuations in gas prices. And that has fed through to consumer


bills that has caused the concern we have spoken about before.


terms of renewables, would it not be argued that gas is the least


worst of the fossil fuels and it could play a transition role?


does have a transitional role, but for a period of time, they will


continue to need some element of gas on the grid. Even at the UK


Climate Change committee accept some need for gas. But they are


very concerned that the UK Government is building far too much


gas into their assumptions about the future. The Scottish government


says that unconventional gas does not figure in their models, but


they consistently refused to rule out supporting unconventional gas


extraction in that Scotland -- in that Scotland. If we build into


much gas, we will still bust the climate targets, we will not be


able to achieve that trajectory. We do need some gas on the grid, but


it needs to be a declining trajectory. In Scotland, we can do


that with the growth in that renewables. We must not risk that


momentum. The responses from local communities, do you think some of


this has gone under the radar? Some of the papers today our leading


with the story and potential problems, but it has not had a huge


public profile. Are you surprised by that? I am surprised by that. I


have been talking about this for quite a long time now, but I think


the trigger has been the gas strategy. If we are ever going to


use this technology, there needs to be public understanding and you


will not get that until people understand the issues. That is why


I welcome a wider debate on this. Vast areas of Scotland could be


involved here. Is that the case? Yes, a very large number of people


have heard something about this, if they have an interest in climate


change, but most people will have heard nothing. There are huge


swathes of central belt Scotland, heavily populated areas, that are


under threat of this development. They will experience this as an


immediate threat and find that with the UK Government, potentially


Scottish government, lining up in favour of the technology and local


planners not really able to make use of the climate change argument,


it will lobby for the local planners to be able to approve or


not. It will be very hard for those communities to marshal a successful


Argoud unless the Scottish government is willing to change his


An acrimonious split in the Church of Scotland over the ordination of


gay ministers has resulted in a breakaway by one of the


congregation's best-known churches, St George's Tron in Glasgow.


Officers have been sent to secure property. We can cross to our


reporter who was absurd the church. What is happening this morning?


Good morning. Yes, it is a day of change for the congregation here at


the St George's Tron. Some of them have been attending church here


every Sunday for 60 years, but this will be the last time. There is


about 20 minutes ago of the last service. They moved the evening


service to the new building. It follows what has really been a


bitter and unholy row since the congregation here decided to leave


the Church of Scotland. They voted in June, as a result of last year's


decision by the kirk to allow ordination of gay ministers. They


say that is a contradiction of the Bible. As a congregation, we feel


very strongly that the Church of Scotland has walked away from God's


word, and we were not prepared to walk away with them. As a church


family, we voted to leave the Church of Scotland and sought to


find some way we could continue to make good use of this building. We


are a big congregation and there are lots of things going on all


week, and we really wanted to keep on serving the city of Glasgow from


here, but it just did not seem possible to come to an arrangement,


and so here is our last service today. What has been the reaction


from the Church of Scotland leadership to this?


It is more or less justified and explained. The row has escalated in


the last six months, culminating in this week with Sheriff officers


interrupting prayer. The church says it is trying to get back some


of its property of this breakaway - - that this breakaway group is in


possession of. They dismiss any claims of intimidating behaviour


and say they are trying to protect their interests. People the in the


congregation at St George's Tron have a different approach to that


and they say that this is scandalous for this to be done.


They claimed they put in something like �2 million, their donations


that have paid for the prayer books and so on, and they should get to


keep them and that the Church is being heavy-handed. It is


disgraceful. It seems like they have no grasp of the way the


gospels should affect Christians. We have sunk �2 million into the


building, but if we are asked about to walk away from it, we will do


that gladly. We'll still be here and make sure our -- we fulfil our


city's motto, they Glasgow will flourish. That is about what the


congregation is all about, reaching everybody in the city with the good


news of Jesus. The issue of the ordination of gay ministers and


homosexual marriage seems to be an issue right across society. It is


one, as we come up to Christmas, which needs some further dialogue.


Neither of B-sides were able to come to an agreement, and in the


end, they had to sort it out through legal means, and that is an


interesting precedent. Thank you very much.


Now, from our Edinburgh studio, we are joined by the kirk historian


Harry Reid. Thank you for coming in. Given the Church has not yet have


an official position on gay ministers, what do you make of how


both sides have been behaving here? Am afraid to say that I do not like


either side's behaviour. The congregation at St fraught as Tron


-- St George's Tron have been precipitate, but I think the Church


has been heavy-handed as well. This is supposed to be the season of


peace and goodwill, and we are seeing little of that in this


disputes. -- this dispute. There will be other congregations to want


to leave, I am afraid, and they will probably leave in a fairly


chaotic manner, so I am sorry to say I think it is going to get


worse. Would this BB be evangelical wing


of the Church that is more likely to leave now? Yes, the evangelical


wing. There are some people in the evangelical wing he won not at all


happy with the way St George's Tron have behaved. They think they have


been precipitate, so you always have a split within a split --


almost have a split within a split, but certainly in the Highlands


There are many congregations who, before too long, will certainly be


thinking about following St George's Tron. In all of this, do


you think that the Church of Scotland still speaks as the


national church, and if so, to whom does it speak? Excellent question.


I do not really think it does manage to speak to Scotland, or


indeed to speak for Scotland, the way it could do even one generation


ago. Obviously, the more split it becomes, the less authority it has


when it seeks to speak. I know that many people within the Church of


Scotland are worried that the Catholic Church does seem to be


able to speak with more authority, and indeed more clarity, on many


issues, possibly people don't agree with it, but at least it speaks


clearly and lively and people here. The Church of Scotland often seems


very confused, and it often seems rather slow in responding to things


that are happening. So, I think for various reasons, the Church has


lost the ability to communicate with the people of Scotland, and I


think its status as a national church is very much in question.


What about the sort of people who may set up another church,


potentially? Is that a realistic possibility? We have heard the St


George's Tron congregation put in �2 million of their own money. Is


there a possibility that they could genuinely be a completely separate


church set up? It is a possibility, and there have been plenty of


precedents in Scottish history. The greatest one, of course, was the


destruction in 1843. About 400 ministers and 40% of the membership


of the then Church of Scotland actually split, and there was a


quite amazing period of new church building, new Banks's -- manses,


and a new church was created. But things are obviously very now --


very different now. Something might happen, albeit on a much smaller


scale. But it is pretty unedifying if what you're talking about his


Christian witness, and people are talking about looking at this from


the outside. Do you agree? Yes. The Church of Scotland has always had a


tendency to split. It has a fissile tendency, is the phrase that some


people use. It does not look good to the wider public and it makes


things very difficult for ordinary decent churchgoers in their


congregations. My own view is that sooner or later, the Church will


have to accept that it is not the national Church of Scotland and to


allow a loose federation of congregations to form. Some of the


congregations are very strong. They are going well. There are plenty of


people still in the Church of Scotland your active and


enthusiastic members. I often say that the political parties in


Scotland would give anything for the membership of the Church of


Scotland, but the problem is that this membership cannot cohere as a


cohesive national body. It is an interesting dynamic which has


changed to die man -- dramatically over the years, where the laity and


the leadership is divided. I am not so sure about that, Isabel. I think


the problem is that the Church leadership keeps changing. The


moderate changes each year, just when he or she is getting into


their stride. A new one comes along and we'll have to get used to renew


on -- to a new one. The same in the presbytery. But I don't think there


is necessarily a split their. -- a split there. A lot of


congregations... OK, thank you. Possibly, it is lawyer's in all of


this. Now, we crossover for the lunch


Good afternoon. The President of Egypt, Brown -- Mohammed Morsi, has


withdrawn a degree he issued last month which meant that judges could


not to test -- contest his decisions. The decree sparked


protests and led to accusations that Mr Morsi was behaving like a


because Ho -- a dictator. Egypt was in for a long siege after


the opposition rejected President Morsi's latest concession. The army


has been bolstering defences outside the presidential palace as


the protests continued. The president needed some -- met some


opposition leaders yesterday, but most of them boycotted. The


Government agreed to withdraw the decree giving President Morsi


sweeping new powers. TRANSLATION: It is decided that the


constitutional decree issued in November is cancelled as of today.


But the President offered no compromise on the issue of a


referendum on the new constitution, which will still go ahead next


Saturday. The opposition protesters are still here in Tahrir Square


today. As far as they are concerned, the President has not agreed to


their main demand, which is the postponement of a referendum on the


new constitution, and they are determined to continue their sit in


as long as it takes. Protesters today are as angry as ever.


TRANSLATION: President Morsi's cancellation of his decree has come


late in the game. It should be the case that every time we demand


something, it comes only after bloodshed. Meanwhile, supporters of


the President have been protesting on the outskirts of Cairo. They


accuse the private media of being biased towards the President and


the Muslim Brotherhood. They are pressing the President not to make


any concessions. -- they are worried that the media is biased


against the present. -- president. Scotland Yard has contacted police


in Australia over the hoax call made by a Sydney radio station to


the hospital which was treating the Duchess of Cambridge. The nurse who


answered the call, Jacintha Saldanha, was found dead and is


believed to have taken her own life. An inquest is due to open this week.


The presenters of the radio show are said to be receiving


counselling. Senior Conservatives have formed a


group to campaign for gay marriage. Legislation to allow churches and


other religious venues in England and Wales to opt into holding


ceremonies is expected to be introduced in Parliament before


Easter. The Prime Minister has given his full backing to the


proposals, despite intense opposition from within his own


party. England's cricketers have won the


third Test against India by seven wickets. They needed just 41 runs


for victory after bowling out the home side for 247. England Mallaig


b series 2-1. Alastair Cook said his players have been outstanding.


There will be more news on BBC One at 5:35pm.


Good afternoon. Worship is drawing to a close this lunch time at a


Glasgow kirk where the congregation is splitting from the Church of


Scotland. The minister and members of St George's Tron in the city


centre voted to leave in a row over the appointment of gay ministers.


The Church of Scotland has established a commission to look


into the issue. Worshippers today said it is mixed emotions today.


Very sad, really, that the situation has come to this, that as


a church family, we are having our last service here this morning. We


are sorry it is finishing in this way and that it has not been


possible to come to some sort of arrangement with us.


The Scottish Conservative leader is amongst a group of prominent Tories


to have formed a group to campaign for same-sex marriage. Ruth


Davidson is backing the policy, which will be unveiled for England


and Wales this week. Many in the party's traditional wing to oppose


it. There are plans for a Bill to allow same-sex marriage in Scotland.


Off-peak train fares will rise by 1% below inflation from 2016. The


Scottish Government is writing a condition into the contract for the


next rail franchise to peg off-peak fares. ScotRail has said the cost


of its tickets would rise by 3.9% next month.


Hundreds of runners are taking part in this year's Santa Dash in


Edinburgh and Glasgow. The annual ritual turns the roads into a sea


of red to raise money for charity. People in Aviemore will have the


chance to don the Santa Claus kit in two weeks.


It is a bit of a mixed bag, as far as the weather is concerned this


afternoon. For much of southern and central parts of the country, it


will remain dry with lovely spells of sunshine. Further North, it is


generally cloudy with frequent showers for much of the far North


and the North East. These will be wintry on the hills, with one or


two wintry showers on love levels for the likes of Shetland. There


will be some brisk north-westerly wind in the West, and also a strong


to gale-force wind for part of the far North.


That is all for the moment. Back to Now we have heard of road rage, but


the latest kind of rage being complained about at Holyrood is


hedge rage. Disputes about how high a neighbour's hedge is may sound


trivial, but those who suffer say it has made their lives a misery.


They are hoping a bill at Holyrood will create a law that will end


their plight. Christine MacLeod reports.


Our living room window faces these leylandii trees. We cannot see


anything of the lovely Angus countryside. It would not spoil our


neighbour's views. Palmer has spent 13 years trying to get her


neighbours to cut back the hedge. Her efforts to communicate them it


with -- communicate with them personally have all failed. We did


not know how fast they were going to grow. When they did start


growing, we complained to our neighbours, ask them nicely if they


would cut them down. They declined. She says it has left her mentally


and physically drained. Her last hope is a change it to the law.


Under proposed legislation, if mediation fails, councils can be


cold him -- called in. Some councils are already welcoming the


idea. At the moment, a council has nothing they can do if and Labour


complains. The best we can do is recommend that they take out a


civil action against their neighbour, which creates more


problems. We think this will go vastly cut the number of complaints


we get because it will change people's behaviour. But some


lawyers need convincing of this, saying it a new a lot could be too


bureaucratic in practice and could prolong the agony of disputes and


also make them at more expensive are. They have introduced a system


which is multi- staged. There has to be an attempt at an agreement.


If that does not work, they have to go to the council. If you are


aggrieved at that decision, you can appeal. This new process, will it


speed things up or slow things down? I am not sure or convinced


that it will make things better. The Bill has the majority backing


of the Scottish government and is set to become law by next spring,


bringing Scotland into line with the rest of the UK which already


has legislation to tackle high hedges.


In our Aberdeen studio. .. In our studio, the SNP MSP who


proposed the bill Mark McDonald. can have such an impact on


individuals and given that Scotland is the only part of the UK that


does not have legislation in place to deal with this, it is long


overdue. How will it work in practice? Is it to do that location,


the height of the hedge? The light issue is the issue that we have


used in the legislation as the determining factor. In terms of


height, the one thing to get clear is it does not prescribe a height


which every hedge in height must comply with. If there is a dispute


that is and resort, an application can be made added will be Hedges of


the real heights above two metres that people have a dispute with. I


am not recommending that people Cup their hedges down where there is no


disappeared. I believe this legislation will help with disputes.


We have heard from a lawyer that this could be many stages involved


in this bill. It could extend the problems that people have to put up


with all this. It could also be very expensive. I was interested by


the comments the there. At the moment, there is not a resolution


to the process, so how can it slowdown any resolution to the


dispute? The options that were open to me was a solution involved with


a local authority, or one going through the courts? Accord based


solution would have led to a significantly higher costs. -- a


quarter court based. It is up for local authorities to decide what


their costs for will be. I do not think this is our piece of


legislation for revenue raising. The Scottish Parliament Information


Centre believes the cost could be around �500? A if you look at


evidence south of the border, we have looked at what is being


charged in England and Wales, it does be a up to several hundred


pounds with an average fee of five of around �350. Where there is cost


capping, everybody charges of the maximum they can charge. It is


expected that all reasonable steps will be taken to resolve matters,


could that not be difficult to define it legally? At what happens


if a council cannot get their money, they will have to go back to court?


I think it is important to look south of the border for instruction


as to how this might pan out. Down south, when the legislation came in,


most cases dealt with themselves because the ones legislation is


introduced, people tend to modify their behaviour. There were a


number of cases were complaints had to be made and enforcement notice


has given -- notices given. Only a very small number of cases did


local authorities get involved further. I am not going to


prescribe or one solution. It is for local authorities to determine


the best way to enforce this legislation and recover their costs.


Thank you very much. It is International Human Rights


Day tomorrow and that is when negotiations get under way on a new


action plan for Scotland. What do you think when you hear human


rights? A chancer's charter or the guarantor of a fairer society? Or


nothing to do with you? Human rights are running through every


area of our everyday lives whether it is welfare, housing, fuel


poverty, education, policing. The list is endless. The Scottish Human


Rights Commission says we still have big gaps in important areas


like health and fair pay and the new action plan will fire up some


solutions to that. And there is a big pat on the back today for the


work of the Scottish Commission. It has been singled out for praise by


the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi


Pillay. The Scottish Human Rights


Commission is one of the most dynamic human rights commissions in


Europe and currently chair of the European group of national human


rights institutions. It is helping draw up a national action plan for


human rights as a central means to ensure the implementation of the


universal human rights in practice. With me now in the studio is the


Chair of the Scottish Human Rights Commission Professor Alan Miller.


Do you think human rights always get the credit they deserve?


always. I think certain government ministers in the United Kingdom


often call for an -- for a repeal of the Human Rights Act. In


Scotland, in the time that I have been chair of the Scottish Human


Rights Commission, I have never had a door closed to me. I have found


everywhere I have gone and everyone I have worked with, a basic sense


of fairness and of decency and an increase recognition that human


rights has a place in that strengthening those in our society,


giving more guarantee and definition to what is fair in


Scotland. In health and social care, there is a very open welcome to


human rights strengthening the policy agenda there of increased


personal care. Him at Dumfries and Galloway, police were carrying out


our criminal exploitation a of foreign migrant workers and the


spokesman said our primary objective is to uphold the rights


of foreign migrant workers. That is different from what we hear from UK


ministers. Later this month, there is to be a report from another


commissioner set up by the UK Government as to weather to


introduce a Bill of Rights and replace the human rights act. My


view is that I do not think this side of the next UK election, I do


not think anything will, of that. It is Westminster rhetoric which


does not go down internationally or in Scotland. Tomorrow, when we are


getting people round the table, it will be a much more people centred


and practical, prioritised discussion. The practical


application of human rights in terms of discrimination, fear pay,


education, there are so many areas that we should be looking at


practically in Scotland. We have just finished doing a mapping of


their realisation of human rights in Scotland. What we have found is


that Scotland, particularly since devolution, has much to be proud of,


but could do better. In a traffic light system, our laws, get a green


light. Strategy is green to amber. But in red, where we had read his


in outcomes. How people are living under the welfare cuts. We have to


ensure that return good intentions into good practice. Some of these


are beyond the powers of Scotland because of the constitutional


arrangements. I think the National Action Plan from Scotland's pointed


you is that when these cuts are introduced by the UK Government,


there must be a human rights impact assessment done before these


decisions are made. There must be a flop budgetary analysis as to what


should be -- there must be a thorough budgetary analysis. People


who cannot find work still have the right to a life of dignity. When we


read about human rights, it is usually about a tabloid headline


relating to prisoners. I think there is a problem with that.


Certain sections of the press for historical reasons thought him and


writes it would be a threat to a free press. But now they are


finding out that human rights could be the best friend to the press.


But I think the influence of those sections of the press and


politicians can be overplayed. Most people understand that they do need


human rights. Any object of opinion poll that is done, asking people to


rate the Human Rights they think are important, there is widespread


report for free speech, fair trial, privacy, health care. People keep


saying about European Human Rights, but it is courts of law. It is not


European law, it is got here law -- it has got slot. The rupee and


convention in Scots law. Yes, you are right. -- the European


convention is Scots law. Now in a moment, we'll be discussing the big


events coming up next week but, first, let's take a look back at


the Week in Sixty Seconds. The Chancellor confirmed austerity


measures will go on 2018 to 2000 AD team. I welcome the fact that the


Scottish government's argument has been accepted by the Chancellor.


This evidence has been steering him in the face for two years. He


should have taken this decision earlier. Hunterston nuclear power


station gets and extend it lifeline -- extended.


Chanel showcased his latest collection in the move go.


And this is the first anniversary of the plan does. -- pandas.


And now let's take a look forward to the next seven days. Joining me


today is Professor Murray Pittock, the Vice Principal and Head of the


College of Arts at Glasgow University. And the writer and


commentator Katie Grant. Let's start with gas. It is in the


papers today and we had been covering it. Do you think the story


about unconventional gas supply is widely understood? No. I think some


people are showing anxiety about this already, but the indication is


that the implications have not been worked through. There is possibly a


lot more to come. I think the key issue here is that we are going to


be in our resources paradox soon. There is a need for greater


reduction in fossil-fuel views, but there is a greater need to exploit


for also fuels -- fossil fuels. have had a lot of coverage about


cost of our fuel bills. But this has not been married it together


with a new exploitation. It is a funny sort of thing that is going


on. I think we will see much more confusion about people who are


quite keen about the idea of renewables, but are terrified of


their own fuel bills. I think people will want to know more about


this unconventional gas exploitation. We are nervous about


it. Reread commentators at it is like seeing, if we only drive... --


reread commentators and it is like saying we should all be dry that 20


miles per hour. Prices keep rising. Some religious stories. Parliament


is like mural to Christians. These What Cameron is saying about same-


sex marriages in churches, about gay clergy, can that really be


equated to the obscenities, torture and persecution of Christians under


Nero? No. That is where the Catholic Church gets it extremely


wrong. When concentrating on religious issues, they come out


with wild statements, equating day marriage to slavery, peculiar


analogies drawn. Bidders but do the Church any credit. The Church has


an argument to make whether you agree with it or disagree with it,


but I do not think this is very helpful, and it makes the Church


look a bit bonkers. When I first saw this comment, I thought it was


about Cameron doing nothing in the face of a continuous recession. As


a statement to describe allowing minority group to campaign for a


gay marriage, it probably sounds completely in excess of the facts,


such as they are. In a sense, this goes back to your St George's Tron


story. There is still a desire, a clerical desire, that somehow


government should represent the UK or Scotland as a Christian country.


And the Government is not capable of doing that because it is a large


and secular society. But the annoyance comes out in exaggerated


rhetoric. But there is a lot of fear because everybody knows that


once you start down this road, there will be challenges. In the


end, gay marriages going to be accepted. It is going to be in the


churches, and that is going to be the law. It is a sign of the Times,


as Jesus himself said. We're going to see much more of this rather


frantic campaigning by the Church in order to make their point, and


the rhetoric will get wilder and wilder, or the where we go from


hero, I am not sure! I suppose the political influence of the church


is an interesting question. Despite the profile it has had to and the


pressure to reply, can you think of an instance in which it has had any


significance in Midlands recently? I'm thinking of Section 28, you


know what I mean. I think probably the Catholic Church has succeeded


in speaking for Scotland in the way the kirk of Scotland has ceased


Sidhu. But it has not had an effect on legislation. It has tended to


put a brick court on or create controversies. -- put a brake on.


In a way, you could say that it has held back developments or made them


go more slowly, but that -- has it stopped or reversed things? No. It


is difficult to do that in a secular context. Before we finish,


human-rights, does it have the profile up those who supported


might hope for? Auras are dominated by distorting headlines?


It is certainly dominated by headlines which get people very


cross. It might be helpful if it was matched by a day of


international human responsibilities. That is what many


people feel, that there are too many rights and too few


responsibilities. A focus on human rights is always going to be


reported a slightly skewed way. Briefly. Are you a human rights


supporter? You can hardly oppose human rights. What is interesting


is the degree of consent in Scotland about fairness and human


rights and the willingness to look at our national obligations, which


is starting to decay South of the border. It is an interesting


contrast. Thank you very much. That is all from us this week. I


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