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Morning folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. The gloves are off,


it's all guns blazing as the parties fight it out over Chris


Huhne's vacant seat. Eastleigh is turning into one of these British


by-election humdingers. We'll be talking to the man leading the


Conservative campaign in our top story.


Ed Miliband wants to introduce a Mansion Tax. He also wants to


reintroduce the 10p tax rate. Policies at last I hear you say!


But are they any good? We ask the man who helped Ed get the top job,


Shadow Justice Secretary Sadiq Khan. That's the Sunday Interview.


David Cameron's off to India tonight. A space-age military power


to which Britain still gives aid. But not for much longer. In times


of austerity, should we be doling out more aid than ever? And does it


really work anyway? The two sides go head to head.


And on Sunday Politics Scotland. As Glasgow hosts the first screening


of Cloud Atlas, where now for the Scottish film industry - cheap


Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1930 seconds


location backdrop or haven for We should be transparent and tackle


corruption. If we do not know, we are not transparent. The British


government suspended aid to Uganda because of corruption. But we also


deliver aid in tough places, which are important for British interests


like Somalia and Afghanistan. It is a very good and cost effective way.


Bill Gates says cutting aid will do irreparable damage it to the global


economy, what do you say? It is more likely to do harm to people in


the aid industry. The best this is being carried on regardless of how


well it does. They are routinely dishonest about how much aid fails.


People resent it programmes when a those aid programmes go into the


pockets of local officials. Has any country or economy B drugs formed


by aid? -- been transformed. In Arthur, I stood in a market where


there were children dying all those years ago, and now it is a thriving


market. There are roads, mobile phones, health clinics. Growth


comes from private sector investment. Other Chinese building


these roads? Some of them, and some of them are being built by the


European Union. The tragedy of Jonathan's position is just that we


are making dramatic progress, he is building Skipton is -- scepticism.


Aid marketing tends to treat the public as idiotic. The that fear is


that people will not give money if they realise how difficult it is.


Some of the most of the cod and Many countries have succeeded


without it. Country is in Africa have done very well recently. I


agree it with you on that. Somalia... Somalia or, I have just


returned from there, nearly half the children are dying and that is


an emergency situation, a conflict. If we do not invest, there will be


complete for ever. Thank you for Good morning and welcome to Sunday


Politics Scotland. Coming up on the programme.


As the baby boomers approach pension age, they're quite


comfortable, thank you very much. It's the younger generation who are


left crying about their pension provision.


And I will be asking whether the debate on Scotland's political


future should include a greater role for women.


Film festivals, BAFTA awards, lots of screen success, but does the


Scottish film industry's future lie in location backdrop or home-grown


talent? If you are young enough, you do not


think about it. If you're old enough, you're probably worrying


about it. Pensions are a big problem. More people are drawing


them and fewer people are contributing. As the UK government


warns us to take more responsibility for our retirement,


there's a warning Scotland will enter the pension crisis before the


! These infants were the first of the baby boomers. I am considering


acquiring. I am one of the baby boomers, born


at start of the Sixties. But my generation could be in trouble.


becomes very difficult to make a significant return on any


investment once you are in your Kira Maclean it is a self employed


stained-glass artist. She says she has no intentions of planning for


retirement. I would rather invest in them tangible things, things I


can see and touch that I can transfer into profit for my


business. When it you of something, you find a way to make money out of


it. She will be at the age of retiring in 2050. In 1901, there


were 10 workers for every one pensioner. By 2010, there were


three workers for every pensioner. By 2050, that will drop took one.


It will be difficult. But government is trying to anticipate


what the problems are likely to be. That is why there is pressure in


the public sector to increase contributions. There are also moves


which will affect the state pension to increase the age of retirement.


Increasing the age of retirement does make a big difference to the


net exporter to pension liability of the state. -- net exposure.


this woman believes that women are disadvantaged. Women do not receive


equal pay generally. Their work lives are or interrupted as primary


care givers. Yes, I think women are at a disadvantage. When you are in


your twenties and thirties, you are not thinking about your pension. I


know I did not. And it is a bit dull. But if we do not start


thinking and planning for our retirement, there may not be enough


cash in the pension pot to pay for everyone in the future. The UK


Government is forcing employees and employers to put pension schemes in


place. Automatic enrolment is the big thing. From October 2012, the


largest employers in the UK started to place people into pension


schemes. With that came the responsibility that the employer


would pay something towards it. The taxman also adds 1% and the


employee has to add 4%. By 2000 abating, every employer in the UK,


over 1 million employers, will have put in place a pension scheme.


If these babies have grown up and made no provision for their future,


they might find themselves relying on the state pension and that might


be not much more than subsistence. Well, we asked if the UK Pensions


Minister Steve Webb or the Secretary to the Treasury Danny


Alexander could come on, but neither were available. So instead


we are joined by Labour's Gregg McClymont and in our Aberdeen


Studio, the SNP MP Eilidh Whiteford. Good morning. First of all, the


government gave details of the new simplified single two-tier system.


You said you were going to look at what they were proposing and assess


it carefully. Simplification is something which has been cold for


for many years but the big thing that has not been examined so far


is that there is a reduction in state pension over time. By 2050,


people will get less from the state than they are currently getting.


Which leads into the question of private pension provision. That is


something the Government are trying to a cat. Labour did not simplify


the system. -- are trying to do that. The changes made by Labour


were very important. But the danger in it simplification is that it


will obscure the reduction in state pension provision. The slack will


have to be taken up by private provision and that is not in a good


place at the warm-up. Eilidh Whiteford, you must welcomed the


simplification? There are still many unanswered questions. Some of


the initial analysis that has been done has suggested that in the long


term, a lot of people will be worse off, in particular women and part-


time workers. Women do tend to end less over their working lives, they


are more likely to take time out to look after children and they are


more likely to work part-time or. I think one of the big priorities has


to be that we do not simply leave women in poverty in old age, which


is a situation may have now. were debating this last month.


Women approaching pension age have a problem with the new system. But


is this system will not better for women? Perhaps, except you will


need 35 years' contributions to get full Stich -- full estate pension.


That is an increase from 30 years. The House of Commons has confirmed


that there will be less eligibility for the new state pension than


there is under the current system. That affects women in particular.


The UK Government power facing a tight financial settlement, how


would things be different in an independent Scotland? It would give


us the opportunity to tailor or pensions policy to the need in


Scotland. We have a distinct set of challenges. At the moment, we are


spending a lower proportion of our revenues than the rest of the UK.


You are speaking their about the Scottish government tailoring


pension provision, John Swinney had the opportunity to do that for


doctors and health workers and he decided not to, he decided to go


with the recommendation of the UK Government that their contributions


had to increase. It is unfortunate that we do not have a


representative of the UK Government here today. The UK Government made


it very clear that they would find them for any divergence -- fine. It


was made very clear that there was no room for manoeuvre by the


Scottish government in that respect. We need more powers to be able to


do that. But John Swinney had the power if he wanted to. If they did


not want those contributions to go up, he could have used the money


from the public pot. John Swinney with them have had to make cuts


elsewhere in the budget and, in effect, pay twice for those


contributions. He would have had to find the money out of another


budget, and budgets are very pressed, and he would have had to


pay the fine that the government were imposing. The long-term answer


to this is to have control of or pensions policies. Labour are a bit


quiet on this when it comes to the Scottish situation. I do not


recognise that description of paying twice. The Scottish


government could have chosen it not to follow the UK Government


position. It is chose not to do that. There are big challenges him


public sector pensions. People are living longer, they have to fund at


retirement over a longer period. Labour has put in place at a set of


public sector pension reforms which the coalition government ripped up


and impose a settlement. It is a tough call for politicians. We are


hearing some of the problems laid out there. Do politicians have to


say to people, your living standards are going to fall?


think the real challenge is to look at this in the long term. That is a


big challenge because of our changing demographics. But I think


the real challenge is for people who work in the private and


voluntary sector. Ever since Labour's attacks have laid on


private sector pensions -- Labour's tax raid, we have to look at the


longer term. We have to make this affordable, sustainable and fair.


Most of us do not want to be poor in our old age. Most of us want a


decent standard of living. But we have to understand that there is a


price to be paid for that and that people have the guarantees that if


they do save, they will have a standard of living that they have


saved four. A lot of private sector There is a big challenge. There is


a big shift at the moment. That was a Labour policy that the Government


has taken on. The key thing is that there must be value for money.


There is no confidence and private sector pensions. That means taking


on market reforms. We will have to leave it there.


Could the debate on Scotland's future be an opportunity to push


for a more equal society? That was the question posed at a conference


in Edinburgh this week - which asked if our European counterparts


have the right idea when it comes to getting more women into


politics? Hayley Jarvis went along to find out.


Delegates hoped that women soon will be war recognised for their


part in shaping Scotland's constitutional future. Where are we


now? At Westminster, 22% of MPs are women. Scotland fares much better.


35% up MSPs are women. But some say progress has stalled. Take Spain,


in 2007, legislation made it impossible for there to be 40 to


60% of candidates. Responses to women's issues are demands to


equality. That has been a strong impact. In the Republic of Ireland


it took a national crisis to meet this demand. It led to the


introduction of 30% female politicians and political parties.


That discussion was essential to the debate and it brought the issue


of women's under-representation into politics. The economic


meltdown also lead to a change in Iceland. And national reform was


established made up of equal numbers of men and women. There is


optimism of where this could lead. We are a society that has a less


likely repeat of the financial crash that we went through. When it


comes to deciding which candidate should be on the menu in the UK,


the political parties have to decide that. There is pressure to


make the mandatory. Gender quota has other building block. Ensuring


that women are present, that women are there is a really good starting


point. It is not the end, it is the beginning. It is quite as simple


thing to argue, although it is quite difficult to achieve.


constitutional convention has played a big part in promoting the


role of Women in the evolution. Will we expect to see something


someone now? It will be difficult in the next scene -- 18 months and


two years to get the agenda in the debate. The constitution has been


arid and under sold. It is dull and very, very heated. It is not having


more women in politics would have a trickle down and encourage more


equality in everyday life. Converting that from the debating


hall into real life will be the real challenge.


With me is the Chairman of the Scottish Human Rights Commission -


Professor Alan Miller. And in our Edinburgh studio is the


Constitutional Law expert - Professor Christine Bell. We are


facing economic change, it produces opportunities to consider where we


are when it comes to women in politics, whatever side of the


constitutional debate you find yourself on. That is right.


Interesting wake polls are showing that women are on a whole much less


decided about which way they are going to vote. In some senses, I


think that reflects people wanting to know what is it that this debate


and that either side of the debate is offering in terms of their nests,


political representation and in essence some capacity to deal with


some of the bread and butter issues the women are facing today.


doesn't matter what side of the debate you fall down on. There


seems to be a lot of discussion about women's role in politics


which there probably wasn't a few years ago? I think there was but I


think we stalled after that. Women are facing a dish proportionate


attack on budget cuts just now. Dass mack -- dish proportionate.


The point of it is, to enable women and everyone in society to have


equal access to internationally recognised human rights. The next


stage in the journey is increasingly going to be debated as


being providing international in recognised human rights like


economic and social rights, adequate housing, high standard of


healthcare. These are the sort of rights that need to be in our


constitutional framework, never the less whether that is constitutional


independence. Hearing about these rights that Allen is speaking about,


can you give me a snapshot of how things are just now, how women fare


in society and politics does now when it comes to these rights?


is that there is a failure in its representation. In public bodies,


there is still a big gender pay gap and also in terms of the economic


crisis and austerity measures. Just how women are being hit


disproportionately by these measures. Also, something that was


strongly reflected in the events of other last two days was that while


in many cases the policies that are quite good, there is a big gap


between having those policies and laws and actually getting them into


practice. So things like impact on inequality. Some of the measures of


representation, it is just difficult translating that into


practice. On that point about politicians and women leading


quangos. If there are a large number of female politicians, does


that be done to these non departmental bodies? Do women start


to think, there are opportunities there? I think it does in terms of


politicians. Sometimes you need different measures in the framework


that sets up non-departmental public bodies and political


representation. So there are ways to require. In Northern Ireland


where I originally come via, there is a community balance in non


departmental public bodies that is enshrined in the Northern Ireland


Act. Unfortunately in Northern Ireland that has been represented


as... It is possible to have a law that says on a constitutional level


that there has to be equality of representation and these should


reflect the society's reserve. was slaughter of representation


could we have in Scotland? -- sort. Either route is capable of


advancing the situation in Scotland. 60 countries around the world


already do that. It is possible under furthered evolution and


broadening the Scotland Act, to incorporate into law in Scotland,


those international rights that the UK has ratified but has been


criticised consistent by the UN to bring interlock and to allow people


to benefit from it in the UK and Scotland. A better campaign to


outline what proposals it has. people may say, all we have our


goods female presentation -- representation in Scotland. Some


people may say, or what is the issue here, women are well


represented in Scottish politics? lot of those gains may be on a


slightly backward track. There isn't really representation. The


Point Allen makes is important. It is about seeing women in the


positions and having an effect in their role in public life. It is


about achieving a broader and freer framework that deals with issues


that are not just of concern to women but society as a whole, such


as social economic rights. I am afraid we will have to leave it


there. Thank you very much for joining us.


Coming up after the news: We'll be looking at the State of the


Scottish Film Industry. Is Scotland just a location backdrop for big


blockbuster movies or can the local industry manage to grow and hold


onto its own talent? You're watching Sunday Politics Scotland


and the time is coming up for Midday. So let's cross now for the


news with Sue Thearle and Sally McNair.


Coming up after the news: We'll be looking at the State of the


Scottish Film Industry. Is Scotland just a Thearle and Sally McNair.


Malcolm Malcolm Walker said that local authorities gave contracts


based on cost. He insisted supermarkets went to great lengths


to ensure safety and were not responsible for the crisis. There


is a whole part of that industry which is invisible. That is the


catering industry. Local authorities award contracts based


on one think - price. If you are looking to blame someone, it is


invisible. It is schools, hospitals, prisons and local authorities that


are driving this down. Police in Northern Nigeria sake several


people have been kidnapped. A prison was targeted first before


the construction firm. A teenager has died after he was


shot in East London last night. The 19-year-old boy was attacked in the


street. A 32-year-old man was also shot and injured. He is in hospital


in a stable condition. An investigation has been started


after a woman was killed after being hit by a car. She was


watching that rally yesterday when a vehicle at the track and hit


spectators. Two other people including an eight year-old boy


were injured. A British teenager who was lost in


the Australian outback for more than three days says he was on his


last legs when he was eventually found. He went missing on Tuesday


after he left the cattle station to go jogging. He lost more than two


stone in weight. He stayed alive by drinking contact lens solution.


That is all the news for now. Good afternoon. Police have named


the woman who died when a car collided with spectators at the


annual Snow Man rally in the Highlands. Joy Robson was 50 and


from the Isle of Skye. An eight year old boy was injured in the


crash. The driver and co driver were not hurt. The rally in


Glenurquhart Forest near Loch Ness was abandoned by the organisers.


The Rural Affairs Minister Richard Lochhead wants retailers to review


their sourcing and purchasing policies. He said that product


testing was "the very least" they should be doing to reassure


consumers that the horse meat issue was not widespread. Mr. Lochhead


was speaking ahead of a meeting in London tomorrow with retailers,


processors and the UK Government. Figures obtained under Freedom of


Information legislation confirm the number of part-time places in


Scotland's colleges has fallen sharply since 2009. The Liberal


Democrats say their research suggests there's been a drop of


around 85,000 part-time places in the past four years. They blame the


shortfall on multi-million pound cuts in funding. The Scottish


Government say that budgets are higher than first planned, and


there are thousands more college places. Here's the weather now with


Good afternoon. The weather is looking fine across the country


this afternoon. It is going to remain dry with some lovely spells


a brightness and sunshine. There will be varying amounts of cloud


coming and going along West and coastal areas. High is generally of


around nine or ten Celsius, Perhaps 11 Celsius in the prolonged


sunshine. Wins will generally be light, just a fresh southerly


Coastal areas. That is all from the newsroom for now. The Glasgow Film


Festival's underway and the first UK screening of the Hollywood movie


"Cloud Atlas" will take place tonight. It's one of a raft of US


block-busters which chose Scotland as a location. But given the recent


success of some of our home-grown talent, is it too much to consider


whether these big films could be developed here too? Christine


Macleod's been trying to find out. Ion drive to understand why we keep


making the same mistakes. It has the power and infrastructure to


deliver to a cinema near you. In the past two years, Glasgow streets


have attracted many of its films. Cloud Atlas and World War has led


to name a couple. They have boosted helped put Scotland or on the map.


It was the Scottish on that one which stretched the boundaries of


possible to. This film was conceived, produced and delivered


I think to aim for Holyrood, that is quite an aim. But they could


have a healthy film industry like London house. We just need to


support our people and invest. think the dream is working on


features, being able to actually develop those and bring them


through to completion in Scotland. That would be fantastic. But this


art student believes it is not a short-term possibility. For her, it


means looking further afield. to go to London to look for an


internship. There is not enough work here. But the appeal of the


big time is not to the taste of all of her future talent. There are so


many individual voices and strong characters. I do not think we need


the Holyrood machine in order to have the industry. -- Holyrood.


Are Northern Lights is Scotland's first crowd feature from. Is this


the future? You can leave at the small but of the city behind you


and come out here and feel properly Scottish again. Know what I mean?


With me this afternoon is Allison Gardner, co-director of the Glasgow


Film Festival, and Nick Higgins, the driving force behind the new


film We Are Northern Lights which you have just seen in the package


there. First of all, We Are Northern


Lights is a unique film production, are you trying to work around the


traditional system? In some sense. In other ways, we are responding to


the reality out there. People have cameras already, the technology is


there. We wanted to enable people to bring that together into one a


wider vision of Scotland today. Could we be seeing more of this


walk new method -- more of this new method? I wonder if it is an


industry model. I like to see at part of a civic media culture where


people participate, where they make a video of responses to what is


going on in their community. What is at the state of the industry in


Scotland at the moment? We have seen that cloud source film, quite


innovative. What is the real behind-the-scenes look at the


industry? I think we punch above our weight in Scotland in terms of


talent. But it is difficult to get those big feature films are made.


It is the financing however. Digital is great. But it does not


mean that everything is good that his shot. There has to be an


editing process as well. But we do have Tullett here. When it you look


at the financing, how is that in Scotland just now? We used to have


Scottish Kareem, Creative Scotland. We are a small nation so we have to


co-produce. We have to have that investment to go out to the


international market and find partners. It is happening. The


Glasgow Film Festival is showing some. There are not sufficient


funds available at the moment. But we have to create our own domestic


market for that. That is what film festivals are fantastic for. There


are two aspects to this. Going to see our own films and learning


through making things. The trouble seems to be that the money still


lies in Holyrood. They filmed at World War Z here in Glasgow, but


Glasgow is being used as a cheap location backdrop, it is not see


him at the real Scotland? Perhaps. But lots of countries come to


Scotland to work here because of the talent. But there are so many


co-producers that countries are banding together. Holyrood and


studios are really the only people that have the money to make a big


film. He is, they do you Scotland, but it gives our cast and crew an


opportunity to work on a high end product. They get good experience.


What kind of crude to be happier in Scotland? So many Scottish film-


makers have to travel south to ply their trade. I am not going to


knock anything that brings more money into the economy for film-


makers, but I only make documentaries. I do not often work


with those sort of big news. Documentary is something that is


booming in Scotland. Animation is something that we have got a great


name for. Documentaries, we are becoming leaders in Europe. But for


that to be sustainable, we need more Scottish audience to pay to go


to see those films. Scotland as a market for films has not quite


established. We need to work on that. How do we do that?


difficulty is there is not... Multiplexes proliferate. We need to


support small theatres, community cinemas. It is a great way to


engage your community and see things that are different. You need


an outlet so that people can see things that are charming, different,


foreign-language. Looking at these different films, based purely


Scottish films, in a way, we are often situated in Scotland by


Holyrood dollars and we do not reflect our selves. We let other


people do the work for us. In some ways. Our project, We Are Northern


Lights, is a celebrity free zone. There is something about letting


people tell the truth of their own stories, that people still want to


go and see. That is how it cinema started. We still believe Bebo will


come and see the stories if they are told in an interesting,


engaging and passionate way. What other Scottish films will we see?


Shell, a very good Scottish strand at the Film Festival. We support


our industry by giving them an outlet to be seen in an


international film festival context. Are you positive about the future


of the industry? I am, but I do not think industry is the way to fame


at this. It is about our media and cinema culture. As people make


things, we learn how things are made and they will watch and you


different products as they come out. It is not just about the economy,


it is the part of the culture as well. With digital culture, that is


probably easier to achieve it. Cinema audiences are still up and


go to the cinema despite the effects of piracy. Yes, the cinema


is a growing industry. It is a cheaper form of entertainment. But


you cannot will make great films if you do not watch a great films. You


have to see at the diversity of product to make a great film.


you. In a moment, we'll be looking ahead


to the next seven days, but first, let's take a look back at the week


in Sixty Seconds. Holyrood was on holiday. But that


British government looked at their legal situation of an independent


Scotland. Scotland is separating from the United Kingdom. The United


Kingdom will remain in the same state. The fiscal Commission


working group established by the Scottish government said the pound


would prove best for an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK.


looked very hard at three options and Stirling fitted the bill best.


The Rural Affairs Secretary welcomed it a European Union wide


meet at testing scheme. Is it a bird, a plane? No, a spectacular


Let's now take a look at the big political events coming up in The


Week Ahead. Joining me this week is Professor


Ailsa McKay, the economist from Glasgow Caledonian University. And


in Edinburgh, the columnist and theatre critic Joyce McMillan.


Joyce McMillan, a very interesting discussion on film and the nature


of the Scottish film industry. What is your assessment of it? A cheap


place for occasion back drops or somewhere that is nurturing home-


grown talent? I think there are issues over how well we nurture


home-grown talent. For the last decade, the structures for


supporting things like the film industry in Scotland, the arts and


the creative industry, has that been in this long drawn-out


transition with many reports between the Arts Council, Film


Council and the new Creative Scotland has set up. Their new


Creative Scotland is a top does not have a happy start. There were a


lot of problems in the first couple of years. They are only now being


resolved. We are a long way from a solution as well. No country the


size of Scotland has a successful film industry. I think we are at


the beginning of being able to get it right. The people who work in


the industry are the ones who know where that help can be best placed


and they have to be consulted. Sadly, we have waited and wasted 10


years in tried to get that going. But there is still colossal


potential. Yes, it is a tough industry, one that is trying to


create and sell dreams but have to face hard cash realities. It is not


my area, but in terms of the media in general, your previous piece


about the equality conference indicated that there are a lot of


voices to be had out there. There was good coverage yesterday morning


of the conference and well informed and intelligent debate. It was


guided a bit by the presenter introducing the next piece by


saying, now a piece for the boys. - - stymied. That is irresponsible


journalism. This conference has not received a lot of coverage. There


is a constitutional flux, economic uncertainty, whichever side of the


debate you come down on, it is a good opportunity to discuss the


issue. There is never a long time to discuss the issue of why women


are poorly represented at public life. That comment yesterday


morning is typical of what happens. I think people would have said that


in the 1970s. But it is like the clocks have gone back. It is a good


moment to raise the subject, but it is a very difficult moment to


achieve anything with that. Unlike the devolution debate of the 1990s,


when you could have a constructive conversation of how you want to


that new parliament to be, which included a very wide range of


people, this time you have got a debate that is being structured by


the Unionist political parties to be divisive. The SNP started it,


unionist parties have made it worse. The debate divides Scottish Women,


Scottish civil society and makes it very difficult for any group who is


interested in NPower mode to have a say in the debate. -- empowerment.


Yesterday, the piece on Radio Scotland indicated that very well,


that women's voices are there, it is just how they are being reported.


You have to resolve disputes by moving beyond simple no or yes. We


have a responsibility to make that happen. At the conference yesterday,


there was an interjection from the floor saying, as a woman in


Clydebank, where do ago to buy my human rights? What do human rights


mean? What does it mean for women in Scotland? What difference will


constitutional change make? We need to be asking those questions.


talking about the debate, in several papers this week, has the


debate moved on? I think not. The UK paper was so peculiar in his


fear of what the union is that it takes things back rather than


forward. The idea that Scotland was extinguished by the union, which


appeared in that paper, it was not extinguished at all. It seems to me


that the paper... They are getting the legal advice they are paying


for. The Fiscal Commission, an interesting use of the pound.


dry, all of that process, not about policy. Thank you.


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