17/02/2013 Sunday Politics Scotland


17/02/2013

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Morning folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. The gloves are off,

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it's all guns blazing as the parties fight it out over Chris

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Huhne's vacant seat. Eastleigh is turning into one of these British

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by-election humdingers. We'll be talking to the man leading the

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Conservative campaign in our top story.

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Ed Miliband wants to introduce a Mansion Tax. He also wants to

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reintroduce the 10p tax rate. Policies at last I hear you say!

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But are they any good? We ask the man who helped Ed get the top job,

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Shadow Justice Secretary Sadiq Khan. That's the Sunday Interview.

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David Cameron's off to India tonight. A space-age military power

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to which Britain still gives aid. But not for much longer. In times

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of austerity, should we be doling out more aid than ever? And does it

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really work anyway? The two sides go head to head.

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And on Sunday Politics Scotland. As Glasgow hosts the first screening

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of Cloud Atlas, where now for the Scottish film industry - cheap

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1930 seconds

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location backdrop or haven for We should be transparent and tackle

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corruption. If we do not know, we are not transparent. The British

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government suspended aid to Uganda because of corruption. But we also

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deliver aid in tough places, which are important for British interests

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like Somalia and Afghanistan. It is a very good and cost effective way.

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Bill Gates says cutting aid will do irreparable damage it to the global

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economy, what do you say? It is more likely to do harm to people in

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the aid industry. The best this is being carried on regardless of how

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well it does. They are routinely dishonest about how much aid fails.

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People resent it programmes when a those aid programmes go into the

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pockets of local officials. Has any country or economy B drugs formed

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by aid? -- been transformed. In Arthur, I stood in a market where

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there were children dying all those years ago, and now it is a thriving

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market. There are roads, mobile phones, health clinics. Growth

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comes from private sector investment. Other Chinese building

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these roads? Some of them, and some of them are being built by the

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European Union. The tragedy of Jonathan's position is just that we

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are making dramatic progress, he is building Skipton is -- scepticism.

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Aid marketing tends to treat the public as idiotic. The that fear is

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that people will not give money if they realise how difficult it is.

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Some of the most of the cod and Many countries have succeeded

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without it. Country is in Africa have done very well recently. I

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agree it with you on that. Somalia... Somalia or, I have just

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returned from there, nearly half the children are dying and that is

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an emergency situation, a conflict. If we do not invest, there will be

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complete for ever. Thank you for Good morning and welcome to Sunday

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Politics Scotland. Coming up on the programme.

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As the baby boomers approach pension age, they're quite

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comfortable, thank you very much. It's the younger generation who are

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left crying about their pension provision.

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And I will be asking whether the debate on Scotland's political

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future should include a greater role for women.

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Film festivals, BAFTA awards, lots of screen success, but does the

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Scottish film industry's future lie in location backdrop or home-grown

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talent? If you are young enough, you do not

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think about it. If you're old enough, you're probably worrying

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about it. Pensions are a big problem. More people are drawing

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them and fewer people are contributing. As the UK government

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warns us to take more responsibility for our retirement,

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there's a warning Scotland will enter the pension crisis before the

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! These infants were the first of the baby boomers. I am considering

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acquiring. I am one of the baby boomers, born

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at start of the Sixties. But my generation could be in trouble.

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becomes very difficult to make a significant return on any

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investment once you are in your Kira Maclean it is a self employed

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stained-glass artist. She says she has no intentions of planning for

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retirement. I would rather invest in them tangible things, things I

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can see and touch that I can transfer into profit for my

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business. When it you of something, you find a way to make money out of

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it. She will be at the age of retiring in 2050. In 1901, there

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were 10 workers for every one pensioner. By 2010, there were

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three workers for every pensioner. By 2050, that will drop took one.

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It will be difficult. But government is trying to anticipate

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what the problems are likely to be. That is why there is pressure in

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the public sector to increase contributions. There are also moves

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which will affect the state pension to increase the age of retirement.

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Increasing the age of retirement does make a big difference to the

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net exporter to pension liability of the state. -- net exposure.

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this woman believes that women are disadvantaged. Women do not receive

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equal pay generally. Their work lives are or interrupted as primary

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care givers. Yes, I think women are at a disadvantage. When you are in

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your twenties and thirties, you are not thinking about your pension. I

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know I did not. And it is a bit dull. But if we do not start

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thinking and planning for our retirement, there may not be enough

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cash in the pension pot to pay for everyone in the future. The UK

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Government is forcing employees and employers to put pension schemes in

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place. Automatic enrolment is the big thing. From October 2012, the

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largest employers in the UK started to place people into pension

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schemes. With that came the responsibility that the employer

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would pay something towards it. The taxman also adds 1% and the

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employee has to add 4%. By 2000 abating, every employer in the UK,

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over 1 million employers, will have put in place a pension scheme.

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If these babies have grown up and made no provision for their future,

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they might find themselves relying on the state pension and that might

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be not much more than subsistence. Well, we asked if the UK Pensions

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Minister Steve Webb or the Secretary to the Treasury Danny

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Alexander could come on, but neither were available. So instead

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we are joined by Labour's Gregg McClymont and in our Aberdeen

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Studio, the SNP MP Eilidh Whiteford. Good morning. First of all, the

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government gave details of the new simplified single two-tier system.

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You said you were going to look at what they were proposing and assess

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it carefully. Simplification is something which has been cold for

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for many years but the big thing that has not been examined so far

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is that there is a reduction in state pension over time. By 2050,

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people will get less from the state than they are currently getting.

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Which leads into the question of private pension provision. That is

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something the Government are trying to a cat. Labour did not simplify

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the system. -- are trying to do that. The changes made by Labour

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were very important. But the danger in it simplification is that it

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will obscure the reduction in state pension provision. The slack will

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have to be taken up by private provision and that is not in a good

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place at the warm-up. Eilidh Whiteford, you must welcomed the

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simplification? There are still many unanswered questions. Some of

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the initial analysis that has been done has suggested that in the long

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term, a lot of people will be worse off, in particular women and part-

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time workers. Women do tend to end less over their working lives, they

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are more likely to take time out to look after children and they are

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more likely to work part-time or. I think one of the big priorities has

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to be that we do not simply leave women in poverty in old age, which

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is a situation may have now. were debating this last month.

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Women approaching pension age have a problem with the new system. But

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is this system will not better for women? Perhaps, except you will

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need 35 years' contributions to get full Stich -- full estate pension.

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That is an increase from 30 years. The House of Commons has confirmed

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that there will be less eligibility for the new state pension than

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there is under the current system. That affects women in particular.

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The UK Government power facing a tight financial settlement, how

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would things be different in an independent Scotland? It would give

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us the opportunity to tailor or pensions policy to the need in

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Scotland. We have a distinct set of challenges. At the moment, we are

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spending a lower proportion of our revenues than the rest of the UK.

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You are speaking their about the Scottish government tailoring

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pension provision, John Swinney had the opportunity to do that for

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doctors and health workers and he decided not to, he decided to go

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with the recommendation of the UK Government that their contributions

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had to increase. It is unfortunate that we do not have a

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representative of the UK Government here today. The UK Government made

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it very clear that they would find them for any divergence -- fine. It

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was made very clear that there was no room for manoeuvre by the

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Scottish government in that respect. We need more powers to be able to

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do that. But John Swinney had the power if he wanted to. If they did

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not want those contributions to go up, he could have used the money

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from the public pot. John Swinney with them have had to make cuts

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elsewhere in the budget and, in effect, pay twice for those

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contributions. He would have had to find the money out of another

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budget, and budgets are very pressed, and he would have had to

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pay the fine that the government were imposing. The long-term answer

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to this is to have control of or pensions policies. Labour are a bit

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quiet on this when it comes to the Scottish situation. I do not

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recognise that description of paying twice. The Scottish

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government could have chosen it not to follow the UK Government

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position. It is chose not to do that. There are big challenges him

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public sector pensions. People are living longer, they have to fund at

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retirement over a longer period. Labour has put in place at a set of

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public sector pension reforms which the coalition government ripped up

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and impose a settlement. It is a tough call for politicians. We are

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hearing some of the problems laid out there. Do politicians have to

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say to people, your living standards are going to fall?

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think the real challenge is to look at this in the long term. That is a

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big challenge because of our changing demographics. But I think

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the real challenge is for people who work in the private and

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voluntary sector. Ever since Labour's attacks have laid on

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private sector pensions -- Labour's tax raid, we have to look at the

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longer term. We have to make this affordable, sustainable and fair.

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Most of us do not want to be poor in our old age. Most of us want a

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decent standard of living. But we have to understand that there is a

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price to be paid for that and that people have the guarantees that if

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they do save, they will have a standard of living that they have

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saved four. A lot of private sector There is a big challenge. There is

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a big shift at the moment. That was a Labour policy that the Government

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has taken on. The key thing is that there must be value for money.

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There is no confidence and private sector pensions. That means taking

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on market reforms. We will have to leave it there.

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Could the debate on Scotland's future be an opportunity to push

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for a more equal society? That was the question posed at a conference

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in Edinburgh this week - which asked if our European counterparts

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have the right idea when it comes to getting more women into

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politics? Hayley Jarvis went along to find out.

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Delegates hoped that women soon will be war recognised for their

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part in shaping Scotland's constitutional future. Where are we

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now? At Westminster, 22% of MPs are women. Scotland fares much better.

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35% up MSPs are women. But some say progress has stalled. Take Spain,

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in 2007, legislation made it impossible for there to be 40 to

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60% of candidates. Responses to women's issues are demands to

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equality. That has been a strong impact. In the Republic of Ireland

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it took a national crisis to meet this demand. It led to the

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introduction of 30% female politicians and political parties.

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That discussion was essential to the debate and it brought the issue

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of women's under-representation into politics. The economic

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meltdown also lead to a change in Iceland. And national reform was

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established made up of equal numbers of men and women. There is

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optimism of where this could lead. We are a society that has a less

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likely repeat of the financial crash that we went through. When it

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comes to deciding which candidate should be on the menu in the UK,

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the political parties have to decide that. There is pressure to

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make the mandatory. Gender quota has other building block. Ensuring

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that women are present, that women are there is a really good starting

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point. It is not the end, it is the beginning. It is quite as simple

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thing to argue, although it is quite difficult to achieve.

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constitutional convention has played a big part in promoting the

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role of Women in the evolution. Will we expect to see something

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someone now? It will be difficult in the next scene -- 18 months and

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two years to get the agenda in the debate. The constitution has been

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arid and under sold. It is dull and very, very heated. It is not having

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more women in politics would have a trickle down and encourage more

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equality in everyday life. Converting that from the debating

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hall into real life will be the real challenge.

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With me is the Chairman of the Scottish Human Rights Commission -

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Professor Alan Miller. And in our Edinburgh studio is the

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Constitutional Law expert - Professor Christine Bell. We are

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facing economic change, it produces opportunities to consider where we

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are when it comes to women in politics, whatever side of the

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constitutional debate you find yourself on. That is right.

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Interesting wake polls are showing that women are on a whole much less

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decided about which way they are going to vote. In some senses, I

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think that reflects people wanting to know what is it that this debate

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and that either side of the debate is offering in terms of their nests,

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political representation and in essence some capacity to deal with

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some of the bread and butter issues the women are facing today.

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doesn't matter what side of the debate you fall down on. There

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seems to be a lot of discussion about women's role in politics

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which there probably wasn't a few years ago? I think there was but I

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think we stalled after that. Women are facing a dish proportionate

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attack on budget cuts just now. Dass mack -- dish proportionate.

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The point of it is, to enable women and everyone in society to have

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equal access to internationally recognised human rights. The next

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stage in the journey is increasingly going to be debated as

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being providing international in recognised human rights like

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economic and social rights, adequate housing, high standard of

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healthcare. These are the sort of rights that need to be in our

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constitutional framework, never the less whether that is constitutional

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independence. Hearing about these rights that Allen is speaking about,

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can you give me a snapshot of how things are just now, how women fare

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in society and politics does now when it comes to these rights?

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is that there is a failure in its representation. In public bodies,

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there is still a big gender pay gap and also in terms of the economic

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crisis and austerity measures. Just how women are being hit

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disproportionately by these measures. Also, something that was

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strongly reflected in the events of other last two days was that while

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in many cases the policies that are quite good, there is a big gap

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between having those policies and laws and actually getting them into

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practice. So things like impact on inequality. Some of the measures of

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representation, it is just difficult translating that into

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practice. On that point about politicians and women leading

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quangos. If there are a large number of female politicians, does

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that be done to these non departmental bodies? Do women start

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to think, there are opportunities there? I think it does in terms of

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politicians. Sometimes you need different measures in the framework

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that sets up non-departmental public bodies and political

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representation. So there are ways to require. In Northern Ireland

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where I originally come via, there is a community balance in non

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departmental public bodies that is enshrined in the Northern Ireland

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Act. Unfortunately in Northern Ireland that has been represented

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as... It is possible to have a law that says on a constitutional level

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that there has to be equality of representation and these should

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reflect the society's reserve. was slaughter of representation

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could we have in Scotland? -- sort. Either route is capable of

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advancing the situation in Scotland. 60 countries around the world

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already do that. It is possible under furthered evolution and

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broadening the Scotland Act, to incorporate into law in Scotland,

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those international rights that the UK has ratified but has been

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criticised consistent by the UN to bring interlock and to allow people

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to benefit from it in the UK and Scotland. A better campaign to

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outline what proposals it has. people may say, all we have our

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goods female presentation -- representation in Scotland. Some

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people may say, or what is the issue here, women are well

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represented in Scottish politics? lot of those gains may be on a

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slightly backward track. There isn't really representation. The

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Point Allen makes is important. It is about seeing women in the

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positions and having an effect in their role in public life. It is

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about achieving a broader and freer framework that deals with issues

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that are not just of concern to women but society as a whole, such

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as social economic rights. I am afraid we will have to leave it

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there. Thank you very much for joining us.

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Coming up after the news: We'll be looking at the State of the

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Scottish Film Industry. Is Scotland just a location backdrop for big

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blockbuster movies or can the local industry manage to grow and hold

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onto its own talent? You're watching Sunday Politics Scotland

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and the time is coming up for Midday. So let's cross now for the

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news with Sue Thearle and Sally McNair.

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Coming up after the news: We'll be looking at the State of the

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:00:36.:00:39.

Scottish Film Industry. Is Scotland just a Thearle and Sally McNair.

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Malcolm Malcolm Walker said that local authorities gave contracts

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based on cost. He insisted supermarkets went to great lengths

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to ensure safety and were not responsible for the crisis. There

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is a whole part of that industry which is invisible. That is the

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catering industry. Local authorities award contracts based

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on one think - price. If you are looking to blame someone, it is

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invisible. It is schools, hospitals, prisons and local authorities that

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are driving this down. Police in Northern Nigeria sake several

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people have been kidnapped. A prison was targeted first before

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the construction firm. A teenager has died after he was

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shot in East London last night. The 19-year-old boy was attacked in the

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street. A 32-year-old man was also shot and injured. He is in hospital

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in a stable condition. An investigation has been started

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after a woman was killed after being hit by a car. She was

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watching that rally yesterday when a vehicle at the track and hit

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spectators. Two other people including an eight year-old boy

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were injured. A British teenager who was lost in

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the Australian outback for more than three days says he was on his

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last legs when he was eventually found. He went missing on Tuesday

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after he left the cattle station to go jogging. He lost more than two

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stone in weight. He stayed alive by drinking contact lens solution.

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That is all the news for now. Good afternoon. Police have named

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the woman who died when a car collided with spectators at the

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annual Snow Man rally in the Highlands. Joy Robson was 50 and

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from the Isle of Skye. An eight year old boy was injured in the

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crash. The driver and co driver were not hurt. The rally in

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Glenurquhart Forest near Loch Ness was abandoned by the organisers.

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The Rural Affairs Minister Richard Lochhead wants retailers to review

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their sourcing and purchasing policies. He said that product

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testing was "the very least" they should be doing to reassure

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consumers that the horse meat issue was not widespread. Mr. Lochhead

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was speaking ahead of a meeting in London tomorrow with retailers,

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processors and the UK Government. Figures obtained under Freedom of

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Information legislation confirm the number of part-time places in

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Scotland's colleges has fallen sharply since 2009. The Liberal

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Democrats say their research suggests there's been a drop of

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around 85,000 part-time places in the past four years. They blame the

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shortfall on multi-million pound cuts in funding. The Scottish

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Government say that budgets are higher than first planned, and

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there are thousands more college places. Here's the weather now with

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Good afternoon. The weather is looking fine across the country

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this afternoon. It is going to remain dry with some lovely spells

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a brightness and sunshine. There will be varying amounts of cloud

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coming and going along West and coastal areas. High is generally of

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around nine or ten Celsius, Perhaps 11 Celsius in the prolonged

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sunshine. Wins will generally be light, just a fresh southerly

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Coastal areas. That is all from the newsroom for now. The Glasgow Film

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Festival's underway and the first UK screening of the Hollywood movie

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"Cloud Atlas" will take place tonight. It's one of a raft of US

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block-busters which chose Scotland as a location. But given the recent

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success of some of our home-grown talent, is it too much to consider

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whether these big films could be developed here too? Christine

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Macleod's been trying to find out. Ion drive to understand why we keep

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making the same mistakes. It has the power and infrastructure to

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deliver to a cinema near you. In the past two years, Glasgow streets

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have attracted many of its films. Cloud Atlas and World War has led

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to name a couple. They have boosted helped put Scotland or on the map.

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It was the Scottish on that one which stretched the boundaries of

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possible to. This film was conceived, produced and delivered

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I think to aim for Holyrood, that is quite an aim. But they could

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have a healthy film industry like London house. We just need to

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support our people and invest. think the dream is working on

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features, being able to actually develop those and bring them

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through to completion in Scotland. That would be fantastic. But this

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art student believes it is not a short-term possibility. For her, it

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means looking further afield. to go to London to look for an

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internship. There is not enough work here. But the appeal of the

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big time is not to the taste of all of her future talent. There are so

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many individual voices and strong characters. I do not think we need

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the Holyrood machine in order to have the industry. -- Holyrood.

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Are Northern Lights is Scotland's first crowd feature from. Is this

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the future? You can leave at the small but of the city behind you

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and come out here and feel properly Scottish again. Know what I mean?

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With me this afternoon is Allison Gardner, co-director of the Glasgow

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Film Festival, and Nick Higgins, the driving force behind the new

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film We Are Northern Lights which you have just seen in the package

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there. First of all, We Are Northern

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Lights is a unique film production, are you trying to work around the

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traditional system? In some sense. In other ways, we are responding to

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the reality out there. People have cameras already, the technology is

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there. We wanted to enable people to bring that together into one a

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wider vision of Scotland today. Could we be seeing more of this

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walk new method -- more of this new method? I wonder if it is an

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industry model. I like to see at part of a civic media culture where

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people participate, where they make a video of responses to what is

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going on in their community. What is at the state of the industry in

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Scotland at the moment? We have seen that cloud source film, quite

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innovative. What is the real behind-the-scenes look at the

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industry? I think we punch above our weight in Scotland in terms of

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talent. But it is difficult to get those big feature films are made.

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It is the financing however. Digital is great. But it does not

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mean that everything is good that his shot. There has to be an

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editing process as well. But we do have Tullett here. When it you look

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at the financing, how is that in Scotland just now? We used to have

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Scottish Kareem, Creative Scotland. We are a small nation so we have to

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co-produce. We have to have that investment to go out to the

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international market and find partners. It is happening. The

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Glasgow Film Festival is showing some. There are not sufficient

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funds available at the moment. But we have to create our own domestic

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market for that. That is what film festivals are fantastic for. There

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are two aspects to this. Going to see our own films and learning

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through making things. The trouble seems to be that the money still

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lies in Holyrood. They filmed at World War Z here in Glasgow, but

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Glasgow is being used as a cheap location backdrop, it is not see

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him at the real Scotland? Perhaps. But lots of countries come to

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Scotland to work here because of the talent. But there are so many

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co-producers that countries are banding together. Holyrood and

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studios are really the only people that have the money to make a big

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film. He is, they do you Scotland, but it gives our cast and crew an

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opportunity to work on a high end product. They get good experience.

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What kind of crude to be happier in Scotland? So many Scottish film-

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makers have to travel south to ply their trade. I am not going to

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knock anything that brings more money into the economy for film-

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makers, but I only make documentaries. I do not often work

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with those sort of big news. Documentary is something that is

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booming in Scotland. Animation is something that we have got a great

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name for. Documentaries, we are becoming leaders in Europe. But for

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that to be sustainable, we need more Scottish audience to pay to go

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to see those films. Scotland as a market for films has not quite

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established. We need to work on that. How do we do that?

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difficulty is there is not... Multiplexes proliferate. We need to

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support small theatres, community cinemas. It is a great way to

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engage your community and see things that are different. You need

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an outlet so that people can see things that are charming, different,

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foreign-language. Looking at these different films, based purely

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Scottish films, in a way, we are often situated in Scotland by

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Holyrood dollars and we do not reflect our selves. We let other

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people do the work for us. In some ways. Our project, We Are Northern

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Lights, is a celebrity free zone. There is something about letting

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people tell the truth of their own stories, that people still want to

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go and see. That is how it cinema started. We still believe Bebo will

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come and see the stories if they are told in an interesting,

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engaging and passionate way. What other Scottish films will we see?

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Shell, a very good Scottish strand at the Film Festival. We support

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our industry by giving them an outlet to be seen in an

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international film festival context. Are you positive about the future

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of the industry? I am, but I do not think industry is the way to fame

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at this. It is about our media and cinema culture. As people make

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things, we learn how things are made and they will watch and you

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different products as they come out. It is not just about the economy,

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it is the part of the culture as well. With digital culture, that is

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probably easier to achieve it. Cinema audiences are still up and

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go to the cinema despite the effects of piracy. Yes, the cinema

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is a growing industry. It is a cheaper form of entertainment. But

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you cannot will make great films if you do not watch a great films. You

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have to see at the diversity of product to make a great film.

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you. In a moment, we'll be looking ahead

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to the next seven days, but first, let's take a look back at the week

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:15:34.:15:38.

in Sixty Seconds. Holyrood was on holiday. But that

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British government looked at their legal situation of an independent

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Scotland. Scotland is separating from the United Kingdom. The United

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Kingdom will remain in the same state. The fiscal Commission

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working group established by the Scottish government said the pound

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would prove best for an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK.

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looked very hard at three options and Stirling fitted the bill best.

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The Rural Affairs Secretary welcomed it a European Union wide

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meet at testing scheme. Is it a bird, a plane? No, a spectacular

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Let's now take a look at the big political events coming up in The

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Week Ahead. Joining me this week is Professor

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Ailsa McKay, the economist from Glasgow Caledonian University. And

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in Edinburgh, the columnist and theatre critic Joyce McMillan.

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Joyce McMillan, a very interesting discussion on film and the nature

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of the Scottish film industry. What is your assessment of it? A cheap

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place for occasion back drops or somewhere that is nurturing home-

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grown talent? I think there are issues over how well we nurture

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home-grown talent. For the last decade, the structures for

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supporting things like the film industry in Scotland, the arts and

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the creative industry, has that been in this long drawn-out

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transition with many reports between the Arts Council, Film

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Council and the new Creative Scotland has set up. Their new

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Creative Scotland is a top does not have a happy start. There were a

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lot of problems in the first couple of years. They are only now being

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resolved. We are a long way from a solution as well. No country the

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size of Scotland has a successful film industry. I think we are at

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the beginning of being able to get it right. The people who work in

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the industry are the ones who know where that help can be best placed

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and they have to be consulted. Sadly, we have waited and wasted 10

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years in tried to get that going. But there is still colossal

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potential. Yes, it is a tough industry, one that is trying to

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create and sell dreams but have to face hard cash realities. It is not

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my area, but in terms of the media in general, your previous piece

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about the equality conference indicated that there are a lot of

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voices to be had out there. There was good coverage yesterday morning

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of the conference and well informed and intelligent debate. It was

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guided a bit by the presenter introducing the next piece by

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saying, now a piece for the boys. - - stymied. That is irresponsible

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journalism. This conference has not received a lot of coverage. There

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is a constitutional flux, economic uncertainty, whichever side of the

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debate you come down on, it is a good opportunity to discuss the

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issue. There is never a long time to discuss the issue of why women

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are poorly represented at public life. That comment yesterday

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morning is typical of what happens. I think people would have said that

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in the 1970s. But it is like the clocks have gone back. It is a good

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moment to raise the subject, but it is a very difficult moment to

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achieve anything with that. Unlike the devolution debate of the 1990s,

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when you could have a constructive conversation of how you want to

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that new parliament to be, which included a very wide range of

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people, this time you have got a debate that is being structured by

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the Unionist political parties to be divisive. The SNP started it,

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unionist parties have made it worse. The debate divides Scottish Women,

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Scottish civil society and makes it very difficult for any group who is

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interested in NPower mode to have a say in the debate. -- empowerment.

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Yesterday, the piece on Radio Scotland indicated that very well,

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that women's voices are there, it is just how they are being reported.

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You have to resolve disputes by moving beyond simple no or yes. We

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have a responsibility to make that happen. At the conference yesterday,

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there was an interjection from the floor saying, as a woman in

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Clydebank, where do ago to buy my human rights? What do human rights

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mean? What does it mean for women in Scotland? What difference will

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constitutional change make? We need to be asking those questions.

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talking about the debate, in several papers this week, has the

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debate moved on? I think not. The UK paper was so peculiar in his

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fear of what the union is that it takes things back rather than

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forward. The idea that Scotland was extinguished by the union, which

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appeared in that paper, it was not extinguished at all. It seems to me

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that the paper... They are getting the legal advice they are paying

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for. The Fiscal Commission, an interesting use of the pound.

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dry, all of that process, not about policy. Thank you.

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