09/06/2013 Sunday Politics Scotland


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undercover journalists how he could help further the interests of the

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arithmetical solar Power party. He denies breaking any rules.

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Protests this week in Hertfordshire as the global heavyweights of

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politics, business and the military meet behind closed doors in a luxury

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hotel. The bosses of Google and Yahoo, we will discuss the

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conspiracy theories and the reality. And here in Scotland - the Scottish

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Conservatives met in Stirling this weekend to draw their battle lines

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2045 seconds

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for the union, but what about the the whole thing. I have 3 million

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radio listeners every day, which is a low number. I make films and put

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them online for free like, and that is because of the establishment...

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Ten years ago, I would have said, listen to all this stuff that he

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believes that people put the cancer virus into vaccines in order to

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create eugenics. I would have said that was mad. The problem is that

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conspiracy theories like this are believed... Lesson, I am here to

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warn people. Our government is building camps where they

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disappeared people now. You have a rest for public safety unlike in

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prison. You are the worst person I have ever interviewed. You are

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watching the Sunday Politics. Welcome to Sunday Politics Scotland.

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Coming up on the programme: Sink or swim - as the Tories meet in

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Stirling, they're urged to follow their leader.

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Will there be any last minute stay of execution for the local courts

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recommended for closure? And how a play written for the last

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King of Scotland is still raising political questions 500 years on.

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A new phrase was coined in Scottish politics this weekend -

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self-indulgent chihuahuas. That's how the former Conservative leader

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Annabel Goldie described those taking swipes at her successor, Ruth

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Davidson. Her critics weren't happy at the way she handled the debate

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over more powers for Holyrood. Our political correspondent, Glenn

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Campbell, was at the Tory conference in Stirling.

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This is where Scotland spot for and secure its independence 700 years

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ago. This weekend, the Conservatives have chosen to meet year-end

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sterling to renew their opposition to independence and to step up their

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fight to keep Scotland in the UK in the 21st-century. But while the

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conference speeches have focused on the unity of the country, there are

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signs of disunity within the country. Those like Lord Forsyth are

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furious that Ruth Davidson has Utah on the powers of the Scottish

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parliament and has set up a commission to see how it could be

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extended. Others said she lacked the courage to hold a full debate on

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devolution here that conference. has shown that weak leadership over

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this issue and it would be much more forward looking to embrace the idea

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of open debate on this issue and then people with robust views on

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either side could make their views known. He was a strong supporter of

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the leadership bid by model Fraser who has long supported Hollywood

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raising more of the money it spends, which continues to be a source of

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Tory divisions. Clear divisions between those like model Fraser who

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have argued for fiscal autonomy and those who say that the new powers

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are far too much and that has yet to be resolved. Ruth Davidson has

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powerful supporters who gave her unscripted endorsements. I back her

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every step of the way. I have every confidence that under your

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leadership we will go from strength to strength. She is our special one,

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though unelected leader. -- our elected. Annabel Goldie is said to

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have dismissed the critics as self-indulgent Chihuahua owners. The

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party chairman said the annual conference is never a loving.

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not been to a Scottish Conservative party conference will there has not

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been somebody complaining about something. It is the background

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noise we have and I would rather we did not have it but I am very

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accustomed to it. We have to focus on issues that matter to real people

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and that is not the internal workings of the Conservative party.

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Which is why Ruth Davidson spoke about education and caterers and her

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confidence surveys. She also addressed new members of hard

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devolution commission to devise Tory alternative is independence for

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Scotland. With me in the studio is the Leader of the Scottish

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Conservative, Ruth Davidson. Thank you for joining us. A lot of concern

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about your decision not to the Labour Party members to debate the

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constitution and more powers. that overshadow the conference?

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There was lots of wide-ranging debate but the thing about debates

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at confidence is you have to have a motion to debate on. You do not gain

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anything by having Paul or opposites having a bit of a bunfight. We have

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a huge range of views across party on the constitution and they have

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tried to set up a serious commission were serious people working on it.

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We can take soundings from all of our members and, with the package of

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proposals. There are huge range of views and you used to have one view

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on powers on Hollywood, your line in the sand, and a lot of disappointed

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party members thought you would keep that. A lot of party members who

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voted for Murdo Fraser, so perhaps a lot of disappointment in the party.

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I was not always a full throated supporter of fiscal economy as Murdo

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Fraser was. The debate has changed in Scotland than within the Scottish

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Parliament. We have seen a majority government break the Parliament and

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some of the oversight, so we have to look at some of the

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responsibilities, but for me the important thing is that we have a

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stable and devolved settlement for Scotland. If we win next year, what

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we cannot have is the separatists coming back in five years or ten

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years and asking for yet another referendum, because we do not have a

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stable sense of government. I want the best proposals for how to meet

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the aspirations of the people of Scotland. We have to find a

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conservative way to deflect that's all we can have that stable set-up

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and do not find ourselves in the set-up we have had again and again,

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because that does not address the very important things for the people

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of Scotland like education, that we want to talk about. Proposing more

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powers for Scotland in the way you have done, your main backer, Lord

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Forsyth, he was not even at the conference. Are you still on

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speaking terms or have you apologised? I am still on speaking

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terms, of course I am, but in terms of the phrasing, I have not proposed

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new powers and have not put forward any limits or guidance. This is for

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Lord Strathclyde and he will take people from the worlds of politics

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and who are constitutional experts, and they will go off and do their

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work. They will not be set goals by me. This is about serious people

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doing work and coming up with proposals that we can take and adopt

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as Conservatives. I am not saying that you are reading it but you seem

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to give a definite example of what you would like. You got the biggest

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cheer when you said you wanted to use those powers to lower tax.

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tax-raising powers are coming already in 2016. The Parliament was

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set up in 1989 with responsibility for around 10% of taxes but it has

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responsibility for spending about 70%. The gap is wider than most

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federal systems around the world, such as Germany or Canada. I am sure

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that is in nearly other Lord Strathclyde will look at. The

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changes in 2016 will bring back then but we have to look at the

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mechanisms created and how we want to use them. I want to lower taxes

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and have been saying that for more than a year now. Do we think the

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powers that are coming are the correct balance of powers, the ones

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that will be enacted in 2016, so that is one area I am sure we will

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look at. I am not telling him what to do though. What about other

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powers that could be devolved such as welfare benefits and cold weather

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payments? I am not trying his hand is not pointing him in the direction

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of results I want to see. This is about helping people who have real

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experience and expertise in areas of politics and constitutional affairs,

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so that we can find a be involved settlement that is stable. Surely

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you will help to divide the commission and where they are going?

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They have to get back to me before the referendum so they have a

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timetable but I am letting them get on with their work and I look

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forward to the report when it comes. You took such a pro-tax avoiding

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stands, throwing the dead meat out to the traditional Tory supporters.

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Were you saying they had to come with you and you had to modernise

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the party? You were very firm with the party members. This is something

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we introduced last year, our aspiration to bring taxation down by

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1p in the pound. We have referred to it several times. It is no

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Conservative party policy that we will work towards bringing forward

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the reduction in taxation in the 2016 manifesto. In terms of the

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party change, I have changed a lot. I have changed the way in which we

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run and we are structured. Change can be painful and that can be

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difficult but the reason I have made these changes is to make us a much

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better fighting machine so we are able to take forward the policy

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provisions. Yes, I was telling people that I understand the

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concerns but look at election results. Goodness knows we need to

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have some changes to make ourselves a feather force. On the policy of

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school vouchers, it sounded pretty radical. Is this not going to

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destroy the education system? the things I referred to is where

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our children are being failed. Where one third are weak or

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unsatisfactory, you have two address the problem. We think choice is the

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best way to address that and we said we wanted to give schools the

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opportunity to opt out of local authority control. We wanted other

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establishments to be able to set up through philanthropists or other

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organisations so there would be diversity. The logical extension is

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to allow parents to move between these different models. Having the

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money following the Child is a system that works. If you think of

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the system in Denmark, they have a voucher system as do the Netherlands

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and Sweden. It is not new but it is something that I think is the next

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logical extension, to a low parents to choose the model that best suits

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their child. Demonstators gathered outside Holyrood this week demanding

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a reprieve for the ten Sheriff Courts ear-marked for closure. MSPs

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on the Justice committee will vote on the issue on Tuesday. The move is

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designed to save millions of pounds. Critics say it brings down the gavel

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on 500 years of local justice. Our home affairs correspondent Reevel

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Alderson has more. This Sheriff Court to cheer its last case in

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November if the proposal is going to go ahead. It is one of ten new

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foreclosure. The Courts service says there is very little business in

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Kirkcudbright. In 2012 there were just seven trials were evidence was

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heard. 22 summary trials and 127 civil cases. When others close it

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good bring about travel problems for many of the accused. A lot of

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witnesses and accused in courts need to use public transport so they will

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be the most affected by this. these heard budget cuts and capital

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spending going down were driving these reforms. Scotland's most

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senior judge told the Justice committee there was more to than

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that. It is a good case for having centres of specialisation and

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excellence and for making the most efficient use of resources that you

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can. The government insists closures could actually improve the

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administration of justice in Scotland. Many of Scotland's courts

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are not fit for justice in the 21st century, this is a better use of the

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shrinking budget to concentrate funds on a smaller number of

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well-equipped courts. In all, ten Sheriff Courts are scheduled to be

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closed with those transferred to another court in the area. Cases

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from Arbroath, as an example, we'll go to for further. Haddington's

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business in East Lothian will be sent to Edinburgh Sheriff Court

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while Dumfries will always with cases heard in Dumfries. The SNP

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majority in the Justice committee could see these proposals going

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through. Kenny McAskill is away this weekend saw to discuss this we have

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Lewis McDonald in our Aberdeen studio and in Edinburgh the SNP's

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Christine DeLeon. First to lose my Donald in Aberdeen. -- Graham. We

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need to save money and the example is that business could be used to

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where there is not enough business going on. We now that Aberdeen

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Sheriff Court is missing its target of dealing with trials in 16 weeks

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by a hall seven-week. Almost 50% short of what it should be achieving

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because it has too much business going on and it cannot deal with

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what it has. The idea that we close and neighbouring court and mood that

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business to Aberdeen clearly will have an effect. This is a complete

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misconception on which these proposals are based. It has been

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said that Aberdeen could almost do with the work away. Is this

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something you are choosing to focus on because you can attack the women

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next to you on this? She said last week she had not made up her mind so

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I will try on Tuesday to persuade her. I think the situation of

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Aberdeen and Stonehaven could be repeated up and down the country.

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Closing date will and using Inverness and double peak times

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there. The same effect is what will improve the efficiency of the courts

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and what will make it worse? We think many of these proposals will

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simply make things worse. You are in a difficult position here, on

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Tuesday you were convened, you can speak freely now, what is your

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edition? -- what is your position? think it would be wrong to close ten

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Sheriff Courts when this is the position that I should just defend

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my own particular area. I will make my decision based on the evidence

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that comes before the committee. Unfortunately Lewis McDonald left

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before the senior judge in Scotland gave his evidence. We questioned him

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thoroughly on whether this would be a detriment to access to justice and

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he said that was not the case, it is a way forward. We must make these

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decisions based on the evidence and the debate next week, that is

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exactly what I will do. As a good constituency MSP I take it you have

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in lobbying Kenny McAskill? I wanted to make sure that people did not

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have its business going to Edinburgh, I have campaigned for

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Abdallah Justice Centre and I think that should take place, I hope it

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will. -- I Dalla justice centre. -- Gala. They must weigh the evidence

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and I fully understand the position, the Scottish Court service and the

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judge in Scotland who is at the top of the tree, his evidence must be

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looked at when people decide to to make their vote. The SNP have a

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majority in the committee. We have yet to hear from SNP members what

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they will do. We know that when the Labour Party put down a debate for

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this last month there was a split. There is a lot still to leave for. I

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was in the committee invite when the judge gave his evidence and he said

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these changes were driven by a desire to save costs. You did not

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stay to question him. I did, one of my colleagues may have left when you

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thought I did. It has instead that Haddington Sheriff Court is so keen

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to be kept open that there will be alternative ways to pay for the

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running cost. On that point, Christine? I am very sympathetic but

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we have to look at the fight, there was a comment made in the clip about

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access to justice, we are going to be using more videoconferencing so

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the people of Stonehaven can give their evidence through video link to

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Aberdeen Sheriff Court. I apologise, Lewis, I actually think you did stay

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and it was your colleague who left. People are attached to courts, is

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that true? It is not like your local library or health centre, able

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really see the inside of the court. People perhaps merely wished to see

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the inside of the court but people do value the access of the community

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to justice. I think everyone values the fact that justices to be done in

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the leases where the crimes have been committed. I think there is a

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significant year for local communities. Will there be a

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reprieve? I do not know, there is a lot still to be said, I hope people

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will base their evidence -- the decisions on the evidence. That is

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all you can do when you are on a committee. Coming up after the

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news, what relevance does the 16th century we have on a country in a

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countdown to an independence referendum? We will find out coming

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up after the news from London. You are watching Sunday politics

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Scotland from the BBC. Now we will cross to Tim Wilcox and after that

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Reporting Scotland W Stewart. -- to clarify how much people know

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about evidence gathered by an American spy firm via the biggest

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Internet companies. It has been said people should not worry about being

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spied on. I authorise operations most days of the week by this

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organisation so I know how they work. The idea that they are sitting

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working out how to circumnavigate UK law is fanciful and nonsense. I

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think I can give the poor that assurance. -- give people that

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assurance. Tim you'll was secretly filmed by Sunday Times investigators

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posing as staff from a green energy company looking to hire him. He said

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he posed as someone getting evidence for the committee. An MP and

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committee chairman across the table from undercover reporters, another

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set of lobbying allegations. Were you able to ask him questions

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afterwards? I told him in advance what to say. He denies the claims

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and was due to go on television to talk about this until he changed his

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mind. Earlier this morning Tim you'll agreed to do a live interview

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with us but just in the last hour he ruled out citing node reasons. David

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Cameron once famously said lobbying with ED next big scandal and has

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promised a new law to set up a registry of lobbyists for the end of

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July. The problem for him is well this end the undercover reporters

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with secret cameras? Nelson Mandela has been receiving treatment for a

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long condition. He remains stable. Let's go to our reporter in

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Pretoria, what is the latest on his condition? We are waiting for the

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health up eight from the Edison -- presidency here. Nelson Mandela's

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doctors have not announced any major changes since yesterday. There are

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reports that some of his close relatives have been into hospital

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here to see him. There is no sense of a bedside vigil. Many South

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Africans are urging him to fight on what also you get the sense that

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many people are very aware that he is old and frail. The rad

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increasingly discussions about the need for nature to take its course

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and for Nelson Mandela to be allowed to rest and enjoy his last days or

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is or however long it is in Nice. -- in peace. That is all from me for

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now. An investigation is underway into the cost of a fire at

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construction site of Glasgow Hydro into the site at the River Clyde.

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The operators of the �125 million venue said it was too early to

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assess the impact of the fire. Yesterday afternoon flames were seen

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coming from the edge of the domed roof of the building. Firefighters

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were called to the scene. Hospital staffing levels are to be

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boosted by the addition of more than a dozen new consultants across

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Scotland. 14 full-time posts and four part-time jobs are being

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created with a �3 million fund set up by the Scottish Government. The

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positions will run for the next three years, divided amongst all

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health boards except Shetland, Orkney and the Western Isles.

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Now for the forecast with Judith and we should see some breaks in

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with our next bulletin at 6:10pm this evening. I'll hand you back now

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to Andrew. A rarely performed 16th century

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morality tale about good governance may not seem relevant to 21st

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century audiences. But the team behind a new production of The

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Satire of the Three Estates beg to differ.

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There's much than satire to Sir David Lyndsay's famous play, .

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is a corrupt elite and when they call up Parliament, they ask the

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common man in and they come in and say, this is what happens to us in

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the Parliament not only lessons but enacts laws and makes changes in

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order that the pool of people are no longer tour. It is a revolutionary

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play. It is also really confirmed. This famous revival in 1948 was the

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first in centuries. The scale of the show with its huge cast and six hour

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running time our old barriers. The player returns to win it first began

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as a piece of entertainment for James Fett. -- James V. It is the

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only surviving play from Renaissance Scotland. There is one from much

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later but imagine if we do not have any Shakespeare or anything else.

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This does for Scotland what Shakespeare and all the rest do for

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Britain. Even for those who have been in previous productions, this

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is an important production at an important moment. It is about a BB

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King who has to be taught how to govern as a theatre and political

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king. The places get to him first. -- vices. With the referendum coming

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up on independence, he could not detect a better time. The questions

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it asks about government and identity remain as relevant today

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almost 500 years on. So who has been making the news in

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politics? Let's take a look at that now.

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With me in the studio to discuss the week that was and what's in store

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next week, author and commentator, David Torrance and the blogger

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Stephen Gethins. Let's pick up on our interview with

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Ruth Davidson. She is making the newspapers today, rather

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eye-catching, down but not out. You were that conference this weekend,

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what was the atmosphere like? pretty downbeat. The attendance was

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small. The venue seems to get smaller every year and there was an

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overwhelming sense of a party going through the motions. Even the Prime

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Minister's appearance was perfunctory. Her speech, even though

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there was good stuff in it, the crucial section explaining to the

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party about why she has gone down the path of more powers was met with

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silence. You are obviously watching this from a slightly different

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perspective. What did you make of how the Scottish Conservatives that

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this? The Tories seems to be all over the place because they have a

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membership who do not want to move and a party that is very unpopular.

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I find it remarkable that the big attraction was Alistair Darling, who

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thinks their economic policies are mad. The three unionist parties are:

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Listening around for other powers and it is interesting how far they

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have gone down that road? Is a tablet? They have given a very clear

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is the year on where we are going with the independence referendum.

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The other parties are struggling by saying that the status quo was not

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very good but they are not seeing what the alternative is. They seem

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to be hiding behind the commission but we have had lots of commissions.

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We are never quite sure what is going to come up. Stephen mention

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the appearance of Alistair Darling. Did you stay for that? It was the

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highlight of the conference. The SNP had been relentlessly press

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releasing us saying he would be the darling of the conference and was

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through! It says a lot that the highlight was a former Labour

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Chancellor but he did a good pitch launching forces together as a

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subset of the better together campaign. He wants to send a signal

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that he does not really like Tories even if he was speaking at the

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conference. There were a lot of banks from the SNP but they are

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saying that it is cross-party. -- digs. This politician said the Tory

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economic policy was absolutely mad but he wants them to keep deciding

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on the policy for Scotland! It is still a bit rich. I have a clear

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memory of the Scottish Parliament when the SNP worked closely with the

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Scottish Conservatives, who helped them to pass for budgets, so the

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idea it is only Labour and the Lib Dems who are in cahoots is

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ridiculous. The public like to see politicians working together. There

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was a minority government and I was a special adviser, and you work

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across parties. Mainly with the Tories. One final thought, it is an

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anniversary this year. The 1980s the election was one of the great

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turning points in UK politics. -- 1983. That was when Labour knew they

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had to change. Talking to Scottish Tories, they had 21 MPs and about

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29% of the vote in Scotland but compare that to know. David makes up

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the point. The last election when the Tories did any good in Scotland.

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It is notable for that fact. Anyone in the recent intake we might back

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years? In Westminster? There are a lot of great figures such as Greg

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the climate who is currently pensions spokesman. Who is currently

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pensions spokesman. There are a few that are prominent but I am not sure

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Political magazine presented by Andrew Neil and Andrew Kerr.


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