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The moulds and did in Belfast as Gerry Adams begins his fourth day in


custody. He may have got egg on his face this


week but Nigel Farage is a serious threat in this non-'s elections. I


will ask the Conservatives how worried they are.


And we are on the trail of Nick Clegg.


You were voted the best looking party leader.


We will talk to the party's deputy leader as he faces oblivion in the


European elections. Coming up on Sunday Politics


Scotland: Alex Salmond's speech in Belgium argued for a speedy


accession to the EU if Scotland votes for independence.


The UK government says that won't happen. We'll look at who's right.


debate what it means for London. And with me, as always, the best and


the brightest political panel in the business - Nick Watt, Helen Lewis


and Janan Ganesh. They'll be throwing metaphorical rotten eggs


into the twittersphere. First this morning - Gerry Adams,


President of Sinn Fein, has spent a fourth night in police custody after


he was arrested in connection with the killing of Jean McConville more


than 40 years ago. Sinn Fein has claimed that the arrest is


politically motivated coming, as it does, during local and European


election campaigns. Northern Ireland's deputy first minister,


Martin McGuinness, has indicated he might review the party's support for


policing in the province if Gerry Adams is charged. The Jean


McConville murder was one of the most notorious cases of the


Troubles. The widowed mother of ten was


kidnapped from her home The widowed mother of ten was


The IRA denied involvement but in 1999 admitted it had murdered her


and several others, known as the Disappeared. Before his death, the


former IRA commander Brendan Hughes Disappeared. Before his death, the


pointed the finger at Gerry Adams, claiming:


In April this year, either Bell was charged with aiding and abetting the


murder. -- Ivor Bell. Gerry Adams has always insisted he is innocent


of any part in the abduction and killing all burial of Mrs


McConville. We were hoping to speak to the


Northern Ireland Secretary, Theresa Villiers, but having agreed to do an


interview with us this morning, she pulled out. But we are joined from


Belfast by Sinn Fein's Alex Maskey. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. And


the police just doing their job by questioning Gerry Adams? Gerry Adams


said publicly some time ago that he was available to speak to the


police, but that is not what this is about at the moment, because what we


have here is clearly evidence in our mind of political interference in


what should be due process. Gerry Adams made it clear some time ago he


wanted to speak to the police, it was available at any time, and yet


that request was not taken up until three weeks into an election and we


believe that was deliberately orchestrated by a small number of


people. What evidence can you present this morning that proves


that claim? The direct circumstances Gerry Adams finds himself in at the


moment, take that in stark contrast when they have dealt with members of


the British Army for instance... That is just circumstantial. The


PSNI know that the soldiers involved in that and a number of other


high-profile killings of citizens here, and not one of those people


has been arrested. In fact any of the people who were interviewed were


interviewed by request. There was a stark contrast, in terms of how they


have dealt with the British military involving state killings. We haven't


got too much time. Sinn Fein said it would review its support for the


PSNI if Gerry Adams is charged. That sounds like political interference


in the police process. It's not because we have a clear mandate from


the people who elect us. Policing has been an important part of the


peace process here for many years, Sinn Fein plays an important role in


local policing partnerships. We negotiate to make sure we have


powers transferred here to elected representatives in the north. It is


a long way to go before we have policing highly accountable, and


making sure they deliver a very impartial service. How will he react


if Gerry Adams is charged? I am still trying to get a clear answer.


If Gerry Adams is charged, will you withdraw support for the Northern


Ireland police service? We view this as a serious situation and a serious


ongoing situation and we will monitor how this pans out. We have a


very important role to play to support the police service here. We


have done consistently, worked with them on a daily basis, but we will


not accept political interference by a small number of people in the


police who are undermining the police. We will not accept political


policing. If there was evidence, and I emphasise the word if, because we


have seen none, but if there were evidence to justify Gerry Adams


being charged, why should he not be charged? It is my understanding from


the family of Gerry Adams that there has not been a single shred of


evidence put forward. I understand that, but if there was evidence, why


should he not be charged? You put that caveat yourself and then you


expect me to speculate, there is no way I will do that. The fact of the


matter is there hasn't been one single shred of evidence put to


Gerry Adams in the last few days, in fact what has been put to him is a


range of issues of newspaper cuttings, books, statements made


from people, including from people who didn't want their statements


released until they have died. who didn't want their statements


was charged, again I emphasise the word if, does the police process


fall apart? The police process is a fragile entity, it requires work and


we have been saying this publicly and privately with the Irish and


British and privately with the Irish and


process has to be nurtured and developed. We are not out of the


woods yet. From a Republican point of view we have been working flat


out. I just wanted a quick answer to my question, is a yes or no? What


question I asking me? Is the peace process in jeopardy? It is fragile


and I am not going to have words put into my mouth but I don't want to


use. It has to be worked out and nurtured. Thank you for joining us.


Nick Watt, you were a Northern Ireland correspondent like myself in


days gone by. Where is this going to go? It shows how challenging the


peace process is because on the one hand you have the unspeakable pain


of the McConville family, but you also have the danger of not having


mechanisms to deal with the past. South Africa is a good example, you


have to have some mechanism to deal with the past because if you don't,


you are going to have, as Sinn Fein have now, someone in a police cell


but you don't have the arrests of the Bloody Sunday soldiers.


Paramilitary prisoners were released after two years... We have seen no


action against somebody accused of the Hyde Park bombings, it is not a


one-way street. We have the decommissioning of IRA weapons by


the IRA, therefore destroying crucial evidence. You have these


inconsistencies because you don't have an mechanism for dealing with


the past, but doing that is really difficult because of the pain of


real people. Don't you get a feeling that here in London they are hoping


he will not be charged? Definitely because it would be nice if


everything went away, but the civil case of the family is taken out of


the hands of the police. You can see here a real failure in Westminster


to see this as anything other than settled. David Cameron we know sees


himself as a chairman. I was speaking to a friend in Northern


Ireland who said he has never met Gerry Adams and I think this is very


revealing. They consider this as a settled issue that will not trouble


Westminster again. It would be, but the relatives of the disappeared


don't want it to be settled. This points to the reality that the


Belfast agreement probably had to be done, but the moral price at which


it was purchased was far greater than we were willing to admit during


the euphoria. For a country that prides itself by the rule of law to


tolerate the early release of prisoners and former pal and


military -- paramilitaries, I think was a very serious matter. As for


the PSNI, it only exists because its predecessor failed to command the


confidence of the nationalist community. It is a very big deal if


even the PSNI ends up falling into the same trap. We have to is leave


it there I'm afraid. It was the the same trap. We have to is leave


campaign launch on Friday, and what did David Cameron focus on? Burning


local issues like the state of our roads, rubbish collection or


local issues like the state of our Prime Minister re-iterated again his


promise of an in-out referendum on our membership


promise of an in-out referendum on And it's being reported this morning


that he will share And it's being reported this morning


Nigel Farage in a pre-general election debate. Here's what


Nigel Farage in a pre-general UKIP leader had to say


Nigel Farage in a pre-general issue when he was on the Marr Show


this morning with Ed Miliband. David Cameron very often makes these vague


promises, then doesn't deliver afterwards. I don't think he has any


intention of allowing me into any of these debates. Perhaps Ed Miliband


wants to debate? We have got to have the TV debates as we did join the


last general election. I think David Cameron is doing everything he can


to wriggle out of them. It is up to the broadcasters but whether they


invite Nigel. My main desire is that the debates go ahead. We are joined


now by Grant Shapps. Will he be included? The debates were not


without problems, they took place during the campaign period and


disrupted the flow of the campaign, taking it out of the regions, people


getting to speak to the leaders so a longer period for that would be


helpful. I think they are good idea and they should go ahead, but all of


the negotiation about who is involved is yet to happen. So it is


not a done deal that Nigel Farage will be included? That needs to be


negotiated with the TV companies. The Conservatives believe we should


have debates, but exactly the format and the timing, all of the -- that


will be debated in the autumn, but first we have European elections,


the Queen 's speech and a Scottish referendum. The local election


campaign was launched on Friday. Why did you talk more about Europe than


local councils? Both are important. The local elections are critically


important for people, their local services. It is easy to forget, for


example, that the council tax has been largely frozen since this


Government came to power, a big contrast to Dublin under the


previous Labour government. So why did you go on and on about Europe?


Let me show you the poster used to launch your local election campaign.


There it is, and in-out referendum on Europe, the day of the local


elections, where is the word local? Is it in small print? I hear what


you're saying, I am happy to be here to talk about the local elections.


But you are right, they are on the same day, and not many people know


that only by voting conservative can you get an in-out referendum. --


Conservative. UKIP cannot deliver, we can, it is the same date, so


people... This was the launch of the local election campaign. Why does


the Prime Minister have to keep on promising something he has already


promised? The actual referendum would be in 2017. He promised it


before, he keeps repeating it because he knows people don't really


trust him. I think it is a question of the fact that, actually, unless


you remind people that the pledges there, that the only way to get an


in-out referendum is to vote for it, this is a critical moment at


which we need people to vote for that referendum if they want it. It


is not the case, as I saw this morning, being said by Nigel Farage,


that a referendum was promised before and not delivered. There was


no referendum in the last manifesto. There will be in the next one. There


was a cast-iron guarantee, in the Sun in 2006. Let's just clear that


up... Once the Lisbon Treaty... In the Sun article, he said, we will


have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Clearly, because that treaty


had been passed before the general election, it is difficult to have a


referendum on something in the past. We joined Europe in the 1970s,


having a referendum on that! Look, that is about the future. Our


relationship with Europe is absolutely critical. Most people in


this country feel, I was not old enough to vote in that referendum,


most of those who voted, they voted for a Common Market, that is not


what we have got. We want to continue the work we have been doing


in the EU Budget, what did UKIP do? They voted against it. We want more


of those powers brought home, and we will put it to a referendum, and


people will have to vote Conservative to get it. We have been


looking at new research, almost two thirds of Conservative members are


considering voting for UKIP, almost two thirds. I have a simple message


here, which is this. If you vote for UKIP... Can we have it up? 30% are


likely, 30% are possible. That is why it is important we are making


these arguments. If you vote for UKIP, you are voting to take us


further away from returning powers to this country, further from a


referendum. It is support for Ed Miliband becoming Prime Minister,


and he will do exactly what Labour have always done - hand away powers,


and away the rebate for nothing in return, giving Europe even more so


over the day-to-day affairs in Britain. Why are so many people


considering voting UKIP? It is to hold your feet to the fire, they do


not trust you on a referendum, so they will vote UKIP to force you to


tap in your line. We have a very tough line. If I had said four years


ago that this government would manage to cut the overall EU


budget, would take us out of the bailout fund that Labour got us


into, passing a law that no more powers can go to Europe without a


referendum, if I had said that, people would say, I do not believe


it will happen. Not only have we done these things, we are promising


and in-out referendum, and the only way to get it is to vote


Conservative. Nigel Farage has said, we can't change anything in


Europe, and it is no wonder that the president of the European Commission


has said, we love having these UKIP MEPs, because they don't turn up and


vote, apart from when they vote against the cut in the budget. It


goes beyond UKIP in your party, because this research also showed


that those Conservative members most likely to vote for UKIP, they said


they do not feel valued or respected by their own leadership, and they


regard David Cameron as ideological eat more remote from them than UKIP.


What I would say is look at that list... Let me take that step


further. What people need our series solutions to serious


further. What people need our series people vote for a UKIP MEP, I will


say, which one of the 40% of people vote for a UKIP MEP, I will


MEPs who got in for UKIP last time are you voting for, the ones above


MEPs who got in for UKIP last time to jail? 40% have ended up not


delivering. People have a right to know what to expect when they vote


in these elections. They can look at our record at home, and this goes to


the point you have our record at home, and this goes to


we have done in Britain to get this economy back on track, recover from


Labour's recession. We are prepared to take those decisions


Labour's recession. We are prepared well. Presumably, active


Conservative members, they know that, so why do they


Conservative members, they know going up and down the country


they are on the doorstep, last weekend


they are on the doorstep, last local elections... Why


they are on the doorstep, last on UKIP? When I meet somebody who


says that, not necessarily a member... Have you met members of


say they will vote UKIP? No, but a vote for UKIP is... Do not do it,


you will end up with Labour having more control, handing away powers to


Europe. 51-year-old meeting members who say they will vote UKIP, you


must be out of touch. -- if who say they will vote UKIP, you


not meeting members. Some of your members are thinking of voting UKIP.


I spend huge amount of time travelling around, I just told you


about this action day in Enfield, where we had an enormous turnout.


Those members were on the doorsteps pointing out that you can only get


reform in Europe by voting Conservative. Labour and the Lib


Dems will not deliver, UKIP can't, Conservatives will. You have not got


that message across, because a YouGov poll shows, on Europe, who


has the best policies? Tories 18%, Labour 19%, UKIP 27%. On the


economy, Tories 27%, Labour 23, UKIP 4. Why don't you shut up about


Europe and talk about the economy? Look, on the 27th of May, we have


European elections, as well as local elections. If I don't talk about the


European elections, you would say what you said at the beginning about


not talking about the local elections! These are serious


elections, and the point I am tried to make is that the issues at stake


are not peripheral, they are not unimportant. Our MEPs have been


battling to cut red tape from a European level on small businesses,


the same thing this government has been doing for small businesses


domestic league, where for example every small business owner watching


this show knows they have got ?2000 back in employment announced on


national insurance contributions. We are doing it at home, we are doing


it in Europe, and it is important to tie that together. Ireland that Mr


Cameron saying, you should stop banging on about Europe... -- I


remember. This is before the last general election, as in days for the


remember. This is before the last Lib Dems, 18%. Even then, you didn't


win the election, and now you are only three or four points ahead, it


doesn't look good for you, does it? Even then, the poll did not turn out


to be what it was on the day. No, that is what happens, that is the


voting intentions now! You are in a worse position than a year before


the last election, which you didn't win. We are almost proving the point


that you can take a clip at any moment in time, not sounding like a


politician, but the only poll that matters is on the day. In just over


a year's time, people will have a completely different picture to look


at than these opinion polls. We have an economy from being a basket


case, the great Labour recession knocking 7% of this economy, hurting


every family, to a point where we the fastest-growing economy in the


developed world. In a year's time, I hope people will see that we are the


people who've taken the difficult decisions, got the economy to the


right place, more security for you and your family. Do not give the car


keys back to the people who crashed it in the first place. If I had a


pound for every time I have heard that! It is clearly not getting


through. On the Pfizer attempted of AstraZeneca, Mr Miliband called this


morning for a tougher public interest test such big takeovers. Do


you agree with that or not? Let me be absolutely clear, if there is any


kind of joining, we are in favour of British jobs, British aren't deep,


expanding our pharmaceutical sector. -- R But what Mr Mallon and wants


to do with rent caps, he is anti-business. -- Mr Miliband. He


wants to take us back to the bad old those. -- bad old days. Should there


be a bigger public interest test? We have seen some takeovers that people


have criticised, but others, like Bentley, Land Rover, which have been


very successful. Should there be a tougher test?! We will have tests


that ensured this get-together becomes a great Anglo-American


project, or it doesn't happen, but the Miliband approach is simply to


be anti-business, anti-jobs and anti-job security. Grant Shapps,


thank you. A challenging week for the Liberal


Democrats with a local election campaign overshadowed by another row


with the Conservatives about knife crime. Adam has spent the day with


Nick Clegg on the campaign trail. crime. Adam has spent the day with


How nice! Nick Clegg is taking me on a political mini break to the


Cotswolds. Yes, we are getting the train. He wants to highlight what


his party is doing in local government, and a personal passion


of his in Europe. Graham Watson, the Lib Dem MEP for the south-west, has


been running a campaign to have prunes recognised as a laxative. Is


that Lib Dems battling for Britain in Europe? It is not our front page


manifesto commitment! It is one of many things that Graham does, he


does many other things. In fact, he is a good example of an MEP who took


a pioneering role, for instance, in making sure... There is the proven


world, but also the crime-fighting role. -- prune. He has done work to


make sure that when British criminals flee justice, we can bring


them back. And he has promoted prunes! First stop, a gorgeous


country pub, but it turns out everyone is a journalist or a very


on message activist. Dark days, being a Lib Dem in the last few


years? Strangely not. If you find you are a Lib Dem deep down, you do


not get that disheartened, because you know that, locally, you are


doing so well for the people that you live next door to that,


actually, I find I am almost impervious to what happens on a


national level. I am mayor of Cirencester. Have you taken any


leadership lessons from Nick Clegg, inspiring new in your leadership of


Cirencester? I think what he has demonstrated his patience. It has


been a tough time, he has taken a lot of flak, and as the mayor of a


town, lots of people agree with you and a fair few don't. You are a full


on mayor, he is just a Deputy Prime Minister, do you outrank him? I


don't think so, he is in government, I am not. So our there any normal


people in here? We are from Swindon, you cannot get more


abnormal. Are you a big fan of his? No! What has he done wrong? I don't


believe in his views at all. Where has he got to? Nigel Farage would


have had a pint! At this time in the morning a copy was more appropriate.


I have no time for a drink of any kind, because now we are off to look


at a local traffic blackspot. This is amazing, like a Lib Dem election


leaflet brought to life, Lib Dems pointing at a road. High-vis


jackets! Next we had to giggle full bath, but there will be no Regency


sightseeing for us, oh no, Nick is taking us to an abandoned


wilderness. We have just had a health and safety briefing, we have


been told to look out for dive-bombing seagulls and an angry


fox. That is the sort of thing Nick Clegg has to put up with. He wants


to talk about the economy but he has to dodge the day's beat new story,


letters leaked by a Tory suggesting that Lib Dems are soft on knife


crime. Isn't that a new kind of warfare? I just think it is silly.


They may think they are clever by catching some headlines but they are


not helping people who worry about knife crime, like I do. We work


together... knife crime, like I do. We work


Coalition! This is a co-working space where different businesses


share the same office. My time with the Deputy Prime Minister is


to a close. We haven't talked about the most important story of the


week, that you were voted the most important story of the


likely to be a good cook. Right, this is news to me and I can


guarantee you this is news to me and I can


opinion polls has this is news to me and I can


confirmed. Just as well because the more serious polls don't look great


for him or his party. Goodbye, and thanks for the offer of a ride


home! He is still walking. Malcolm Bruce


joins us now. According to Lib Dem briefing documents, you are likely


to choose -- lose a big chunk of your MEPs. If you lose a lot, what


would that say about a party that boasts of its pro-Europe


credentials? It would be disappointing because we have the


most hard-working MEPs. The worry that we have is that people think


the European Parliament is not important but it takes decisions


that affect us. They would be disappointing for Britain as well as


the Liberal Democrats. Isn't the problem that the more you bang on


about your pro-European credentials, the more you slip in the polls? I do


think so, we have two weeks to go and we are campaigning extremely


hard. You are forced in the polls. I can tell you there are people out


there who do believe Britain should stay in the EU and they are worried


that other parties will take us out. The Liberal Democrats are clear, we


want to stay in, we will work for reform and do it effectively. If you


lose the Liberal Democrats, Britain's influence in Europe will


be weakened. Your track record in Europe shows you have been


spectacularly wrong again and again. In your 2009 manifesto you said the


European Central Bank and the euro have been tried and tested over ten


years providing a clear picture of the benefits of Eurozone membership


and that proved to be nonsense. It was nonsense everywhere. Every


developed bank in the world was tried and tested and failed. Europe


may not be perfect, but the question people have to decide is if we are


going to leave Europe and be isolated on RM, or use our influence


to reform it from inside. We have allies, you work with them, that is


something the The reason we were wrong to some


extent is that the euro, when it was set up, did not follow any of the


rules and regulations. That's why we never recommended that Britain


should join at the outset because the criteria had not been met. I was


the spokesman at the time and I made that clear.


Because your track record is important. British monetary


sovereignty is not all it is cracked up to be. This is what you said. How


wrong can you be? Hello-mac I said that we were in


favour in principle of having a single currency and a single market.


But we have always argued that it had to abide by strict gritty area.


It hasn't done so and that is one of the reasons that it has failed. --


strict criteria. Your 2010 manifesto did advocate it.


It said, we believe it is in Britain's long-term interest to be


part of the euro. If the single market -- there will


come points when the UK may well benefit... Only in the long run. In


the circumstances we are in at the moment, there is no recommended


timescale for joining the euro. Despite the Eurozone crisis, which


has caused a loss of millions of jobs, countries that were teetering


on the brink of bankruptcy with the Eurozone now facing stagnation and


some countries on the brink of deflation, you still will not rule


out Britain joining? Hello-mac we are ruling out Britain


joining in the near future. We are working, in the present


circumstances, as a partner in the coalition governments to secure


economic covering. That is our current track record.


What would the climate look like when it was right for Europe --


Britain to join the euro? Until you have a strong enough and


cohesive enough Eurozone in which all the countries can meet that kind


of criteria, written is better off out.


It can only happen by consent and we have made it clear that any


circumstances in which any further powers can be transferred from the


UK to the EU, we would support a referendum. We put that into law in


the present Parliament. But you have said they would have to


be a much more distinct fiscal and monetary policy. You said that if


that was the case Britain would join.


No, I said that all of the member states would have to agree to these


criteria. We do not envisage joining in the present circumstances or in


the foreseeable future. Why won't you just give us a


referendum on in or out? Why won't you just give us a


be context. What David Cameron is doing is dangerous.


be context. What David Cameron is member states are not keen on the


be context. What David Cameron is on the instigation of just one


member states, on the instigation of just one


to agree to rules that we will not agree to abide by.


to agree to rules that we will not Do you want in or out?


Our argument is that you need to have a context. To have a referendum


against no background whatsoever is to put it out of context. We are one


year away from the general election. We have


that... Went back so there is still a


Eurozone crisis? We are in the process of recovering.


The reality is that the whole of the Western world has gone through


The reality is that the whole of the very deep crisis. The UK is coming


out of bed and the Eurozone very deep crisis. The UK is coming


coming out of it. Greece has been able to borrow back on the market


again in recent weeks, which is a sign of recovery and success. It is


in our interest that the Eurozone succeeds. But that doesn't mean we


have to be part of it on the same conditions as everyone else. I will


tell you that the Lib Dems work to conditions as everyone else. I will


deliver the UK's interests. If we are not bear, the UK's interests


will be undermined. are not bear, the UK's interests


When Max you are Politics.


Good morning and welcome to Sunday Politics Scotland. Coming up on the


programme.... After the First Minister's speech in


Brussels arguing the case for a speedy EU accession in the event of


a Yes vote, we look at the potential terms and ask what role do small


countries play in Europe? I would say that our role, even


though we are a small country, is quite significant.


And Business Improvement Districts - do they help


And Business Improvement Districts - centres or do we need to think about


public space differently? Good morning. The First Minister


Alex Salmond was in Belgium this week to argue the case for Scotland


to be swiftly granted full membership of the European Union if


there's a 'yes' vote in the independence referendum.


The Foreign Secretary, William Hague, said that could not be


guaranteed and predicted long, complex negotiations, resulting in a


worse deal for Scotland. So, who's right? Our political correspondent,


Glenn Campbell, reports from Brussels.


Welcome to the Belgian city of beer and bureaucracy. Brussels is not


only famous for brewing, that it is also home to the institutions of the


EU. If there is a Yes vote in September, the Scottish government


would not only have to open negotiations on independence with


the UK Government in London, they would also have to send a delegation


here to Brussels. Not to step Coffey and eat waffles, but to sit down


with the member states of the EU to negotiate independent Scottish


membership. The current EU commission president has made that


sounds like a nonstarter. I believe it is going to be


extremely difficult if not impossible. A new member states


coming out of one of our countries, getting the agreement of the


other... This analyst is not as optimistic


about Britain's -- Scotland's prospects.


Spain has internal problems with Catalonia where Madrid has sought to


prevent Catalonia from seceding from the unitary states. They might seek


all possible ways in trying to delay its Scottish advancements in this


area and so as not to create a precedent.


In Bruges, the First Minister argued this week that oil-rich, fish rich


Scotland would be readily accepted into the EU because the alternative


would not be in anyone's best interest.


They would be denied access to Scottish waters, and as a result


Norwegian waters. 160,000 EU workers, students and voters in


Scotland is would suddenly be uncertain about their status. This


alternative is clearly absurd. What would they make of that at


European Commission headquarters? In the


organised. How do smaller states make a difference within the EU?


They have got to have a different strategy. They try and get on the


winning side. With other like-minded states. They succeed when they are


organised, flexible, so that they know their way around. They can


anticipate what is going to be on the agenda. They try and influence


policy and they try to adopt April European attitude. -- pro-European.


They select the issues on which they want to intervene. Thank you.


The effects of the recent economic downturn are evident in town centres


up and down Scotland. Many high streets have been reduced to rows of


betting shops, charity shops and money shops alongside boarded up


units. One attempt at encouraging growth has been the development of


Business Improvement Districts - or BIDs - which were introduced here in


2008. Six years on and after millions of pounds of Scottish


Government and private sector investment, are they working? Some


traders say the rewards are obvious while others resent the additional


levies on their businesses. Megan Paterson reports. Chasing trains,


not haggis, is the tag line for this form. -- firm. I have looked round


all the other high street and Dunfermline was the option. As a wad


of investment. Other high streets are dying of weird as Dunfermline


are putting any lot more money. -- dying off. Melissa opened her second


shop year after starting in Dundee. Compare to Dundee, where I had no


help, I have received a ?5,000 plant extend the business further round


the back. We now have an installed beauty parlour, and a make-up artist


as well. The local business improvement district was set up


after able to on local businesses five years ago. It now faces a


renewal ballot. The team behind it is convinced that still has a role


to play. We have made a lot of inroads. First with Aberdeen and


other towns. We want to grow and increase the festivals that we do,


to bring more people to the towns. The economic climate that they were


born into, you need more time to cement all of the work that has


started. Business Improvement Districts have been working in


Scotland since 2008. 23 are around the country. They are voted in by


local businesses. They have created 52 jobs. They have benefited from


?17.8 million of private investment. Businesses in these areas pay an


extra levy on their rates to help fund investment. Those feeling


across the country. So do opinion on success. Some traders here in


Clarkston are questioning the benefits. It confuses me. The ?900


at reappearing, some of the ideas the committee are coming up with, I


thought the council would cover that. Hanging baskets... I thought


those were things the local government recover. It seems to be


that we are being punished. -- would cover. But East Renfrewshire council


says it has been a stew with careful to ensure that the levy isn't used


for these services. The bed has helped shop fronts and local events.


Clarkston will hold a renewal ballot next year. So far, all six of the


original bids have chosen to extend. That is viewed by some as a signal


of success. There is a desire to have this investment. To bring the


benefits into local businesses. That is a communication rule forbids


within that, to ensure that they do tell both consumers traders and


others what is occurring and we are the benefits happen.


others what is occurring and we are many of them will be renewed. So


they are as great as the towns they seek to improve. Forecasting that


many more teams will be in place by 2020 saw more of a variety is


guaranteed. I'm joined now by the minister for


local government and planning, Derek Mackay, and by the architect Malcolm


Fraser. Derek... Have these Business Improvement Districts been a


success? I think they have. Something is not without minor


controversy but they are on the whole they have added to vibrancy.


They have given extra to help deliver regeneration. We have 24 in


place. The l'amour and development at the moment and I wouldn't cut it


was to come forward and villages as well. How do you measure success


when it comes to this? They all do different things. Some are about


environmental improvement. Someone about promotion and others the


night-time economy. Someone about building the cover projects together


so they are very diverse and what they do. You can measure success by


what they say they will do. Are they taking on work that some of the


councils would do? We had a completely the money is spent on


flower and Christmas lights. You would expect the local authority to


pay for that? It should be additionality. It should not be


replacing that, which the council should be doing. It should be the


added extra. It should be a case of trying to rejuvenate our town


centres. The council should not walk away from their responsibilities but


adding to it. Is this the right way to rejuvenate our town centres? We


need to be considering, the optic and the renewal. -- uptake. I think


this is a really interesting way for local communities, business


communities, to come forward. They have a stake in neighbourhoods. I


wonder what all the renewal of the beds themselves as a measure of


success? Some people might feel as though that there's nothing much


more they can do other than apply for this money that is being


offered? I don't have a problem with that. Businesses are taking more


responsibility and we need to see local community groups take over


property and start clubs, businesses. We need local government


to be taking more responsibility for the health of their communities.


Moving schools out, moving libraries out of town... We need everybody to


take that civic responsibility. It sits alongside central government


responsibility. We need more communities in Scotland to be caring


about the place the island. -- they place they are in. Maybe the


premises that are being lying empty meet for different purposes? We have


different purposes. They are changing some of the uses. They have


very specific projects to demonstrate what we can do. Other


planes and towns will have to change. It was just retail before


but the world has changed with digital technology. Towns will


change and a jazz we go forward. Is it easy for town centres to make the


kind of change that you talking about? Sometimes the field of view


of bureaucracy can get in the way. They can tighten up and certain


other areas. -- in certain other areas. I think these rates changes


are very welcome. We propose a father power for local authorities


to create even more local release teams so that began father


incentivise people to open up more properties. What is your view about


how we use town centres? Shopping is obviously popular and people lament


the fact that they are not as they used to be, do we need a change of


use? You do not find the local shops, art galleries, different


things do they neatest thing up? -- need to spring up? No matter how


many places where you have out-of-town shopping complexes, the


no parts, places to walk and meet people and discuss things. Town


centres do. We should stop being pessimistic and start being far more


optimistic about how they are places of the future. We're going to see


those sort of dismal places that you can only get two with cars, those


other places of the past. -- are the places. We need to be more open to


those changes. Is there not a danger that that vibrancy you talk about


has been lost? People want at the high street at the moment and think


they are not particularly vibrant? 20 years ago I moved into an office


in old town of Edinburgh and the place was dead. Nothing happening.


Now the local businesses complain about the rates but that is because


it is an extremely attractive place to be. National headquarters want to


be the and national businesses. Edinburgh has a huge amount of


attractions. More than anywhere else, but everywhere has a community


and historic buildings. We need to be far more aware that change


happens. Edinburgh has changed beyond recognition. For some people


that might look as if it is changing slowly? Not many town centres are


like Edinburgh. The shops boarded up for years. It is a mix across the


country. Some towns have been a real success. In Kilmarnock, where I


launched the government response, the high street was 100% occupied.


Much lies behind that. I would like that to happen across the country.


Success will only be delivered on the ground if we have local people


picking up the tools to do the job. There is no question that people


want their towns and cities to succeed. We have to work together.


The puppets maybe has change of what went on before. Money is important.


It is. The beauty of business improvement districts is that the


lady is local but it can be supplemented by... That unlock some


of the potential. That is not just about money, but resources are part


of that as well. There is a mix to help deliver a new face for town


centres across the country. Thank you for joining us. Let's cross for


the news. You're watching Sunday Politics


Scotland. Let's cross now for the news with Andrew Kerr.


Good afternoon. The Sunday Herald has become the first newspaper to


back a Yes vote in the independence referendum. The front page states


"Sunday Herald says Yes". The accompanying graphics are designed


by the artist and writer Alasdair Gray. The editorial lays out the


reasons for their support but says reporting will remain balanced.


A man's been arrested in connection with the death of a forty year old


man in Glasgow yesterday. The forty-year old died following an


incident at Springburn Shopping Centre. A 29-year old man is due to


appear in court on Tuesday. The benefits of a good quality


nursery education can last into secondary school, according to new


research. The Scottish Government paper says children with no


pre-school attendance aren't as sociable, don't concentrate as well


and have poorer thinking processes. The number of hours three and four


year olds are entitled to go to nursery for free increases in


August. More than 14,000 women and children


are taking part in the Race for Life in Glasgow this lunchtime. The X


Factor winner Alexandra Burke started the annual 5K run, which is


in aid of a cancer charity. They set off from the Green and made their


way around the city centre. Now a look at the weather forecast,


here's Judith. Good afternoon. I think it's


noticeably milder today. This afternoon, it is fairly damp,


especially across western Scotland. Also running across the northern


isles as well. Percent sure and Easter in Scotland it will remain


dry with some brightness coming through the clouds. -- for central


and eastern Scotland. Quite breezy across the northern isles. That's


it. Thanks Andrew. Now in a moment,


we'll be discussing the big events coming up this week, but first,


let's take a look back at the week in sixty seconds... Now it's time to


have a look at the Sunday papers and what's happening in the week ahead.


I'm joined here in the studio by Ian Smart, lawyer and blogger, and by


Kate Higgins, who writes the Burdz Eye View blog.


Good afternoon. Let's start with the Sunday papers. The Sunday Herald has


declared its support for the Yes vote in the referendum. Is this a


game changer? I don't think it's a game changer


but it is a really important signal. There is only one direction that


this debate can go and that is toward yes. I think you have to


admire the Sunday Herald's honesty in coming out with a clear editorial


position. The message is there for other newspapers to follow suit.


People who claim not to, or organisations which claim not to


have an editorial position, and yet the evidence appears quite


different. It is a welcome move. Everyone supporting a Yes vote will


welcome it. Do you anticipate that other


newspapers may follow suit? The Sunday Herald has supported the SNP


at the last two elections so it is perhaps not a surprise will stop the


interesting thing about the Sunday Herald is that it is the first paper


to declare for either side. The paper that people are really


interested in is what the Sun is going to do. The Sun is a great


unknown. Do you believe that newspapers will


actually influence how people vote? I have my vote -- I have my doubts.


Circulation of the Sunday Herald is less than small local newspapers. I


don't think people will make up their minds based purely on what


this newspaper says. The Sunday Times has been talking to


David Trimble, former First Minister of Northern Ireland. He has been


talking about what a Yes vote might mean across the Irish Sea. He talks


about the ghost of increased violence in the province. Some would


say that a Yes vote is a reason to pursue change through the democratic


process. The ripples from Scotland could spread far and wide.


Absolutely. That is why the world is watching and taking a keen interest


in what is happening in Holland. I feel for David Trimble. I listened


to this interview yesterday morning. He was keen to point out to the BBC


in Scotland that they had misinformed people with their online


headline. He was not talking about a Yes vote is stirring up trouble for


the peace process. But that it might have consequences for the political


process. I am sad to say that that's misleading headline is still in


evidence on BBC Scotland online this morning. What he actually said was,


yes, that he could see - and this is a man who knows how important words


are in late political process that he could see how a Yes vote might


influence things one way or another. He also said that if Scotland vote


yes in September, it would be the first ever occasion of a peaceful


democratic vote for independence. That also might influence how


politics is taken forward in Ireland.


In the Sunday Times, he says he thinks there would need to be a


referendum to settle this issue in Northern Ireland. The issue of a


united Ireland. But we know what the outcome of a


referendum in Northern Ireland would be. At one point there was a


suggestion that the Republicans might out breach the Protestants,


but we are living in a modern age. It is almost inconceivable that


Northern Ireland would vote to join the Republican any circumstances.


For goods or ill. David Cameron is signalling that he


might get involved in a debate ahead of the lack -- ahead of the election


that would involve Nigel Farage. There are many caveats to his


acceptance, including the inclusion of others in the debates.


I think there are two points about how much the media are prepared to


put wind into Friarage and UK's sales. They are a political


relevance here in Scotland is, but. They have ruled nothing in and


nothing out, unlike the position with regard to debating Prime


Minister against First Minister. They have ruled that out and it


suggests that David Cameron worries more about his own political careers


in the future of Scotland. Ed Miliband said this morning that


he would be happy to be involved in a debate with Nigel Farage, but said


that he thought it was up to the broadcasters to decide who was


invited. Does this place David Cameron in a difficult position?


The argument is that the referendum is a decision for people who live in


Scotland. I have said from the start that Alex Salmond has painted


himself into a corner. If we get into the closing stages of the


referendum, if he chooses to sulk and not come out and debates, he


will just look scared. He has made his point that David Cameron should


debate with him and he is not taking the bait. At some point you will


have to give up. How much is this general election


can't paint overshadowed by the referendum?


I think it is overshadowed in terms of who


I think it is overshadowed in terms for. It is also pivotal


I think it is overshadowed in terms SNP's position is for


I think it is overshadowed in terms within Europe. People want to


consider all the issues when they come to choose how to vote. It is


going to be a fascinating election, particularly for people like us, to


see who takes that vital sixth place, weather or not you can does


make headway in Scotland. And weather Lib Dems do lose out.


Thank you both very much for joining us. That's all from us this week.


We're back at the slightly earlier time of 11.30am next week. Until


then, goodbye.


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