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The regional pay row at our largest hospital. And the license for | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
Somerset's badger cull trial is issued, but political controversy | :01:31. | :01:41. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2130 seconds | :01:41. | :37:12. | |
Hello. Coming up on the Sunday Politics in the South West... The | :37:12. | :37:19. | |
licence for Somerset's badger cull has been issued, Bobby controversy | :37:19. | :37:23. | |
continues as councillors speak out against the plans. I am joined by | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
Tudor Evans, Labour leader of Plymouth City Council, and Julie | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
Girling, Conservative MEP. First up, health workers in Plymouth who have | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
been drawing up plans to fight proposals for regional pay. | :37:36. | :37:41. | |
Derriford Hospital says it needs to save �45 million over the next | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
three years. It has joined with 19 other NHS trusts in the region to | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
look at pay and conditions. Unions fear that could lead to workers | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
facing pay cuts of up to 20%. You hear a lot of people saying we | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
are all in this together, but it seems to be be people on the front | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
line and those delivering the front care who seemed to be hit hardest. | :38:03. | :38:08. | |
We asked the Prime Minister whether he approved of NHS trusts in the | :38:08. | :38:14. | |
south-west looking at regional pay. It is an issue for them. NHS trusts | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
have a choice of looking at the national framework are looking at | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
local arrangements. We should allow them to manage the NHS as they see | :38:23. | :38:27. | |
it effectively. Do we take it from that that he | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
sees this as a good idea, and do you? The idea has been on the table | :38:32. | :38:38. | |
for many years. I represent the South West, always the most | :38:38. | :38:45. | |
expensive place to live. London and the south-east get regional Pate in | :38:45. | :38:53. | |
effect already. The south-west is or was number two on that list. We | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
need to look at where the South West might benefit from regional | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
pride. Do you think networkers down here will benefit, and where will | :39:02. | :39:09. | |
the extra money come from? -- do you think the workers. The idea is | :39:09. | :39:16. | |
to save money. It does not mean there is going to be an extra �45 | :39:16. | :39:22. | |
million available. That is true. Doing that as part of the overall | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
strategy for being more efficient and saving money is not a bad thing. | :39:26. | :39:32. | |
It is wrong to assume... But there is a pay freeze across the board. | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
Any savings must presumably come from pay cuts. The unions are | :39:36. | :39:41. | |
suggesting we could be up to 20%. That is scaremongering, to said | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
they could be up to 20%. When the pay freeze comes off, which it will, | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
they will have to negotiate. The unions will be asking for more | :39:51. | :39:57. | |
money. That is the context in which this should be seen. They will be | :39:57. | :40:02. | |
looking for increases. This is not a bad thing to bring him to do next. | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
Do you agree with that, it is actually a positive outcome? I went | :40:08. | :40:18. | |
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to that meeting bad you showed on your front. -- that you should. The | :40:20. | :40:27. | |
motion was carried unanimously, because we know there any move to | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
regionalised play is actually a race to the bottom. Do you think | :40:31. | :40:38. | |
there will be pay increases? course not. They are private every | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
-- privatising their health service. People coming in need to make a | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
profit on reducing budgets. The only way they can do that is pay | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
the staff less. You are against it? Of course. It would be disastrous | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
for the health service, a race to the bottom for public sector pay. | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
This idea that we need to cut the public sector to make a private | :41:01. | :41:08. | |
sector competitive is nonsense. is an issue that is going to run. | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
Labour do not think there will be unions asking for pay increases | :41:11. | :41:19. | |
when the freeze ends, that is interesting. | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
There are plans to privatise some of Cornwall's public services and | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
they are proving unpopular. 5,000 people have signed a petition | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
against the scheme which would see libraries among other things part | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
run by a private company. The council leadership says it will | :41:33. | :41:40. | |
save millions of pounds and create hundreds of jobs. Vital services | :41:40. | :41:46. | |
could be cut, say sceptics. It is apparent -- plan considers | :41:46. | :41:52. | |
believe will save millions a year and create 500 new jobs. BT and an | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
American firm are in the running to form a partnership with the council | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
to provide services such as libraries, Pedro and benefit | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
payments, transferring council staff to the new partnership in the | :42:04. | :42:14. | |
process. -- services such as library services and pay roll. | :42:14. | :42:20. | |
would be against the majority of the council and a great swathe at | :42:20. | :42:25. | |
the general public. They have not only ignored us but ignored the | :42:25. | :42:31. | |
people. But is a dangerous thing to do for democracy. One couple from | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
Perranporth to be petition to more than 1,000 people. They say the | :42:35. | :42:45. | |
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vast majority signed up. Were they surprised? No, they were not | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
surprised but they were extremely surprised that the executive has | :42:49. | :42:56. | |
the power were to do that, as was I. That is viewed with incredulity by | :42:56. | :43:01. | |
almost anyone, once you spell out what has happened. The fact but it | :43:01. | :43:06. | |
is legal is astonishing. It is not rocket science but if something | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
goes into privatises hands, whether it is part shared or not, companies | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
want to make a profit. If they do not make a profit, jobs will go, | :43:15. | :43:20. | |
places will be closed, and we may not have as many libraries or a non | :43:20. | :43:26. | |
stop shops or whatever they are going to take out to stare -- share | :43:26. | :43:32. | |
services. In Somerset, a joint venture do not go quite to plan. | :43:32. | :43:38. | |
This is a classic example of how not to do public procurement. | :43:38. | :43:45. | |
South West MP directors' anger at a company, South West One. It led to | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
a �2.1 million overspend this year alone. The they are not saving the | :43:50. | :43:55. | |
money they said and it is becoming obvious but it is a tissue of | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
fabrication. Cornwall Council says it is there were not all | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
partnerships have been successful and they have learnt not to make | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
that the mistakes. They are confident it will be a good deal | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
for the county. The us is an exciting opportunity to create new | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
business in Cornwall but is not seasonal, will create good jobs and | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
it will be written into contract, we are expecting 500 new jobs to be | :44:20. | :44:26. | |
created, as a minimum. The commitment will be written into the | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
contract, with penalties attached if the jobs are not created. | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
final decision to transfer council services to a new firm is due to be | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
made next month. Thanks to the petition, the issue is likely to be | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
debated before then. How much outsourcing does Plymouth | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
City Council do, for example? Are people in Cornwall right to be | :44:48. | :44:58. | |
scared? For gave me, they are next door neighbours and I should not | :44:58. | :45:03. | |
comment on private grief. Everybody out sources, or council steerage to | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
a lesser or greater extent. If you think about our. Social care, for | :45:07. | :45:14. | |
example, we buy in care from a range of providers. -- adult social | :45:14. | :45:20. | |
care. Outsourcing is not anything new. Were this is a departure is | :45:20. | :45:26. | |
the scale. It is the size and range of services being put out all in | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
one go. That is what has created the alarm for so many people in | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
Cornwall and within Cornwall Council. You were in local | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
government before you became an MEP. How is a bet these kinds of | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
outsourcing can supposedly saved money while at the same time create | :45:42. | :45:51. | |
500 jobs, how was it possible -- possible? It is economy of scale. | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
You can get real productivity gains by joining up what is called back | :45:55. | :46:02. | |
office function. Where it can lead to job growth in an area is that | :46:02. | :46:09. | |
you can find, if Plymouth was doing it, they might in fact be employing | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
people in Plymouth who are paying the benefit cheques in London. In | :46:14. | :46:20. | |
many cases, but is very beneficial for regions like the south-west, | :46:20. | :46:25. | |
where people want to live and work. The skill base, in many cases, is | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
there or is being built. Does that happen in Plymouth? We work in | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
partnership. There is an audit partnership between three | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
neighbouring authorities. And the authorities provide services to | :46:40. | :46:45. | |
each other to share costs and save money. This is different, because | :46:45. | :46:51. | |
this is bringing a one provider to do a number of... You would not do | :46:51. | :46:57. | |
it to this scale? The Cabinet are making this decision without | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
reference to anybody else. They are saying but is because they must. It | :47:00. | :47:05. | |
is not about mast, they could ask the council to participate and | :47:05. | :47:12. | |
share the blame. My information is, and councillors are saying they | :47:12. | :47:21. | |
have not seen figures, they have not been shown figures. How can | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
councillors avoid problems like that in Somerset, such as we showed | :47:25. | :47:34. | |
in the front, where the contract went wrong? -- in the film. | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
Councillors are members of the community, they are not necessarily | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
business people, they do not necessarily have the skills | :47:41. | :47:46. | |
themselves. What it is imperative they do is make sure they get the | :47:46. | :47:53. | |
advice. I do not have any detail on what is happening in Cornwall. I | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
would be surprised if the Cabinet had made that decision without | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
getting that level of advice. The Somerset issue is well known | :48:00. | :48:05. | |
throughout the country as having been a problem. Lessons have been | :48:05. | :48:11. | |
put known -- learnt. Lots and shared learning information has | :48:11. | :48:18. | |
been sent out. It does not always work. In Cornwall, been collections | :48:18. | :48:25. | |
have been heavily criticised, but was outsourced. Serco were | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
criticised, railway services were criticised. Why did the Tories | :48:29. | :48:35. | |
think privatisation is better? not think they do. It is not just | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
Conservative councils who are at source at all. Some of the most | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
vigorous councils who are at source are not conservative. It is a mixed | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
bag and it is not a party political issue, it is about combatants and | :48:47. | :48:54. | |
council level. Some councils are good, some are less good. We will | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
come back to you after the next topic. | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
The natural England has issued a licence to allow the culling of | :49:01. | :49:05. | |
badgers in West Somerset. It means up to 70% of badgers in that area | :49:05. | :49:09. | |
will be killed with the aim of preventing the spread of TB in | :49:09. | :49:14. | |
cattle. Pilot,s are also due in Gloucestershire, were some farmers | :49:14. | :49:22. | |
have voted to not allow becoming of badgers on their land. Some local | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
farmers try to do the same thing. It has been a tough year for this | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
former. He found out his herd had contracted TB at the worst possible | :49:31. | :49:39. | |
time. My wife died on 16th April and I went down on 17th April, | :49:39. | :49:49. | |
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shattered. I did not have my best friend of 48 years with me, it was | :49:50. | :49:56. | |
awful. Bovine TB is a foreigner problem, but to go early in the | :49:56. | :50:03. | |
south-west, with 40% of heard tapping an instance of the disease | :50:03. | :50:08. | |
in 2010. Eco-trials will involve laying bait and shooting badgers at | :50:08. | :50:17. | |
night. -- the cull trials. There is debate as to whether this will stop | :50:17. | :50:27. | |
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me -- the disease. It could cut instances of bovine TB by 16% but | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
there are questions about the scientific evidence. Trials are | :50:34. | :50:40. | |
planned for Costa Show and Somerset. This time could fall into the pilot | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
area and councillors are concerned. Were have had leaflets from | :50:44. | :50:48. | |
organisations who were protest and spent every night for six weeks in | :50:48. | :50:51. | |
the area with loudspeakers, musical instruments, trying to disrupt the | :50:52. | :50:59. | |
cull. This week Stephen and his fellow independent councillor put | :50:59. | :51:05. | |
forward a motion asking the council to ban Colling on its land, even | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
though the council owns very little and in the, Derry, like this car | :51:10. | :51:19. | |
park. -- very little land in the cull area. Badgers move about. The | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
council ended up voting to remain neutral, because the Conservative | :51:25. | :51:32. | |
leader argued there was not the expertise to make a judgment. | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
is a lot of information made available to us. I am not | :51:37. | :51:44. | |
sufficiently skilled to determine from that which is the best way to | :51:44. | :51:51. | |
deal with bovine tuberculosis. councils in Gloucestershire's pilot | :51:51. | :51:59. | |
area have voted against killing badgers on council owned land. | :51:59. | :52:05. | |
Others are angry that their area has not done the same. They were | :52:05. | :52:11. | |
not combatant? Are they confident to look at planning issues or | :52:11. | :52:18. | |
economic regeneration issues? Taunton Deane Borough Council will | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
write to the farming minister to Roger their concern. It will urge | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
the government to devote resources to finding a humane solution to the | :52:28. | :52:35. | |
programme -- problem of bovine TB. This cull is politically toxic, | :52:36. | :52:41. | |
that is why we are still having pilates. No one wants to be the | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
minister in charge of standing up in front of the TV cameras saying | :52:44. | :52:49. | |
they are going to kill 70% of Britain's Burgess. Would you say | :52:49. | :52:55. | |
this will run and run? It is a controversial issue. What we have | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
got here is, let's be clear, but cull is aimed at discovering | :53:00. | :53:10. | |
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whether it is it reasonable to'-- 3 should. -- to shoot the badgers. It | :53:16. | :53:21. | |
is to find out if it is a reasonable way to do that. Will | :53:21. | :53:25. | |
protesters will be caught in crossfire? Protesters have done | :53:25. | :53:29. | |
everything they can do to stop it. They have been to the High Court. | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
They need to accept that all of the legal redress, all of the legal | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
Brits are now closed, and if they are irresponsible enough to start | :53:38. | :53:44. | |
banging drums and blowing whistles and lighting in darkness, when | :53:44. | :53:51. | |
people are trying to shoot badgers, there could be a terrible accident. | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
It has to be absolutely clear that it is the responsibility of those | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
people to refrain from that behaviour. The idea of shooting | :54:00. | :54:06. | |
badgers in car parks is totally wrong, isn't it? It is run anywhere, | :54:06. | :54:15. | |
to be honest. At this week's Labour conference we heard that the | :54:15. | :54:22. | |
science does not support this action anywhere. That is an opinion. | :54:22. | :54:30. | |
The science clearly is mixed. point is that there is a lot of the | :54:30. | :54:38. | |
farming community with the Conservative Party and they are | :54:38. | :54:45. | |
struggling at a local level. The science is not equivocal about that. | :54:45. | :54:51. | |
If we forget the science for the moment, I am interested in this | :54:51. | :54:54. | |
subject Ahmed being politically toxic. Labour had various trials | :54:54. | :54:59. | |
and never achieved anything. We did not kill the badgers and we are not | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
going to either. You ploughed �50 million into killing by just over | :55:03. | :55:11. | |
10 years but never did anything about it. A lot of people will find | :55:11. | :55:17. | |
this whole thing distasteful, to be honest, when you know that the | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
science is... They might also have said that Labour should not have | :55:22. | :55:27. | |
ploughed �50 million into killing? Let's focus on what is about to | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
happen rather than blaming us for what did not happen. Do you want | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
people running around the south- west with a shot guns, blowing | :55:36. | :55:45. | |
badgers up in car parks? I have to interrupt. To say that people will | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
be running around the area with a shot guns, it is not a shot on | :55:49. | :55:55. | |
trial. Nobody will be out with a shotgun. But would be unsuitable. | :55:55. | :55:59. | |
Yes, they will be shot, but not with a shot guns. They will not be | :55:59. | :56:06. | |
done roaming the area. The region - - the reason it is toxic is because | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
the lack of attempting -- attention to detail, the emotive language, it | :56:11. | :56:19. | |
is much more serious than that. Before we move on, an update from | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
Ann Widdecombe, who last week told us better-off pensioners like her | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
should not get the winter fuel allowance. One of our guests | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
suggested she give the money back. It turns out she already does. She | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
gives her an allowance to the Devon Community Foundation which last | :56:35. | :56:43. | |
winter helped 250 people who could not afford to keep themselves warm. | :56:43. | :56:53. | |
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Now, 60 seconds. Overweight children should be given | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
Free School moves to improve their eating habits said the Totnes MP. | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
85% of children who are obese will become obese adults. It is time to | :57:04. | :57:09. | |
address it. Train passengers were told they | :57:09. | :57:12. | |
would have to wait even longer for improvements as the government's | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
tendering process went off the rails. | :57:16. | :57:24. | |
In Dorset, Virgin's plan to take over NHS services was questioned by | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
the mayor of Lyme Regis. We need to know what this will do for us | :57:28. | :57:33. | |
rather than for them. People living near a proposed | :57:33. | :57:38. | |
incinerator outside Ivybridge were upset by the Environment Agency's | :57:38. | :57:42. | |
support for the plans. The Devon parlays woman who was | :57:42. | :57:47. | |
banned from Twitter for her comments about student drinking was | :57:47. | :57:56. | |
backed by air can't serve her. -- backed by a counsellor. | :57:56. | :58:02. | |
A busy week. Let's let's get this issue of | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
giving obese children free school meals. This is something that | :58:07. | :58:13. | |
Totnes MP NDP is pushing for. Is it something you would support? -- | :58:13. | :58:19. | |
Thomas MP and GP. For someone who has eaten all the pilots -- pies, | :58:19. | :58:27. | |
we would be better restoring that sports schools partnerships. Have | :58:27. | :58:32. | |
we to get proper p going again, that would be far more useful. -- P. | :58:32. | :58:37. | |
There is a link between obesity and poverty, so this could be an | :58:37. | :58:45. | |
educational programme? Be it sounds very top dance. -- it sounds very | :58:45. | :58:53. | |
top down. I know she is a GP but I do not like her social programmes. | :58:53. | :59:00. | |
In his this their nanny state? Ghosh, not often accused of that. I | :59:00. | :59:04. | |
actually have great respect for Sarah. She has expertise and I'm | :59:04. | :59:11. | |
listening to her. An idea around trying to help children make better | :59:11. | :59:15. | |
choices with what they eat is no different than an idea around try | :59:16. | :59:25. | |
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to make the government -- trying to make adults more aware of food | :59:26. | :59:31. | |
labelling. Why not help children? It is how you do it, the devil is | :59:31. | :59:36. | |
in the detail. Surely children from wealthy families does not deserve | :59:36. | :59:42. | |
three means? Maybe they deserved a free meal if that is going to make | :59:42. | :59:47. |