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Morning, folks, welcome to the Sunday Politics. And in-out EU | :00:38. | :00:44. | |
referendum before the general election? We talk to the Tory rebel | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
demanding one next year, that is our top story. As government ministers | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
prepare to decide how the press should be regulated, what will be | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
the impact of this week's row should be regulated, what will be | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
between the Daily Mail and Ed Miliband? | :00:58. | :01:05. | |
You are talking about the colour of peoples faces?! | :01:05. | :01:12. | |
In the South West: Concern government help for home | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
buyers could push up house prices. And councils are told to stop using | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
parking charges as a money spinner. He will try to force a vote in the | :01:17. | :02:01. | |
October. Home Secretary Theresa He will try to force a vote in the | :02:01. | :02:08. | |
was asked about his plans on the BBC earlier this morning. I think he has | :02:08. | :02:17. | |
got it wrong, I think what we need to do is to negotiate the settlement | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
with the European Union and then put that to the people me to decide | :02:20. | :02:26. | |
whether to be in or out. Is this a flea bite or a real threat? I think | :02:26. | :02:34. | |
the next election, a Conservative Party that will be offering people | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
that renegotiation, a new settlement with Europe, looking to the future | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
and putting that to the British people in and in or out referendum. | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
And what the amendment possibly could do, as James Wharton, who | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
And what the amendment possibly putting the Referendum Bill through | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
Parliament has said, is it could jeopardise that bill. Adam Afriyie | :02:53. | :03:00. | |
joins us now from Millbank studio. Good morning. If the referendum | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
would be held next October, it would have to be an in-out question based | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
the status quo? There wouldn't be time for a full renegotiation. I | :03:08. | :03:15. | |
disagree. By having a referendum in 2014, it gives us 12 months to | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
renegotiate, but it kick-started negotiations, because the European | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
Union, if they wish us to remain members, would need to accommodate | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
and make changes so that they would members, would need to accommodate | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
and make changes so that they would persuade the British public to stay, | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
strengthens the Prime Minister's hand, and 12 months is ample time | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
for that kind of negotiation. You might think that, but Germany has | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
not even got a government at the moment, why should they meet our | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
timetable? This is going to be incredibly, located renegotiation. I | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
think, basically, 80% of people incredibly, located renegotiation. I | :03:46. | :03:53. | |
a referendum. More than 50% what a election. British businesses need | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
certainty, and we could carry on taking a scan down the road for | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
ever, but I have struggled with taking a scan down the road for | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
conscience over this one. I do not want to cause trouble, but it is | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
essential that Parliament and MPs have the opportunity to search their | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
souls and give people a referendum this side of the election. That | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
would also bring certainty and clarity for the future, and like I | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
said, it strengthens the Prime Minister's hand if it is successful. | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
You right in the Mail on Sunday Minister's hand if it is successful. | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
the people are not convinced there even will be a referendum, so they | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
don't trust David Cameron? I think the headline was not the headline I | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
wrote for that piece. What I am You are saying that the British | :04:32. | :04:39. | |
people are not convinced. Look, there are too many uncertainties | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
here - they may not be convinced the Conservatives will win the election, | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
I hope we will, they may not be convinced the renegotiation will be | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
good enough, that there will be convinced the renegotiation will be | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
referendum. Do you trust David That is why we need to bring the | :04:53. | :04:59. | |
referendum forward, there is time to negotiate, and we tidy up the issue | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
that has been hanging around for too long. Do you trust David Cameron to | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
deliver a referendum in 2017? I Minister, and of course I trust | :05:07. | :05:17. | |
deliver a referendum in 2017? I referendum? There as only variables | :05:17. | :05:17. | |
in between. What I am doing with referendum? There as only variables | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
this amendment, is to try to be referendum? There as only variables | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
is that Parliament and every MP referendum? There as only variables | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
the opportunity decide whether they want to be sure of a referendum | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
within this parliament, or maybe leave it to the vagaries of what may | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
within this parliament, or maybe happen in 2015. Supposing you got | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
your way, how would you vote? Like Michael Gove, I would vote for us to | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
leave as of today, but there will be Michael Gove, I would vote for us to | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
an enormous amount of pressure on European Union leaders to come | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
forward with proposals. If they European Union leaders to come | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
to say, the mandate is not ever closer political union, it is ever | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
closer trading harmony, giving us closer trading harmony, giving us | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
more border control and control closer trading harmony, giving us | :05:56. | :05:57. | |
our legal system, I might change my mind. But this is what needs to | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
happen - if we have a referendum in happen - if we have a referendum in | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
negotiations to be kick-started happen - if we have a referendum in | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
people to argue in or out, and the end result is a stronger Prime | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
Minister. Is it true that you have end result is a stronger Prime | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
Minister. Is it true that you have got about 80 MPs supporting this? It | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
certain, and I think we will see it on hold over the next three or five | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
weeks. He will have to ask each individual MP. I am asking you, | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
is your motion! There will be other motions coming forward, and I know | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
cross-party, for people who want the British public to have a say in | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
2014. You know it is not going to get through, the whips will stop | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
this from happening. One of the successes, apparently, of your | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
party's Manchester conference was that you were not divided over | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
Europe anymore, the Europe issue was settled. Here you are bringing it | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
Europe anymore, the Europe issue was back to life and pouring petrol | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
Europe anymore, the Europe issue was unlicensed troublemaker of the | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
Tories? The only struggle I have had is not a fight with my party but | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
Tories? The only struggle I have had with my conscience as to whether or | :07:06. | :07:07. | |
not I would give Parliament and with my conscience as to whether or | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
British people an opportunity to have a say in 2014. I wrestled with | :07:10. | :07:16. | |
it, and I decided I wanted people to have that opportunity. It is for | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
each individual MP to search their soul, speak to constituents and | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
decide whether they want that. You decided it would get you in the | :07:22. | :07:28. | |
headlines again. Oh, you are so cynical, Andrew! I have no ambition | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
publicity seeker. All I seek is cynical, Andrew! I have no ambition | :07:30. | :07:38. | |
would not be able to sleep at night if I did not bring forward this | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
opportunity for Britain to have if I did not bring forward this | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
say. We have left it far too long. Nobody under the age of 56 has had a | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
say. Thanks for joining us, good luck with this continuing struggle | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
with your conscience! I will move the seat around and addressed the | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
panel, what do you make of it? The party managers must be furious with | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
him. I think what this confirms party managers must be furious with | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
that David Cameron is incredibly lucky in his enemies. His most | :08:02. | :08:10. | |
prolific critics, Nadine Dorries, Peter Bone, Adam Afriyie, even if | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
you are very anti-Cameron, you will not think, man, if only they were in | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
charge of the party! I think the party managers are not too alarmed. | :08:18. | :08:24. | |
They do not take him seriously? No, is not as if the James Wharton bill | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
is a work of genius, it is riddled with flaws, anomalies and loopholes. | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
It purports to guarantee that a referendum will take place in the | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
next Parliament. My understanding of theoretically impossible and that | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
all the future government would theoretically impossible and that | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
is cancel out that bill with another bill. He does have a point that | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
Cameron's plan for a referendum bill. He does have a point that | :08:45. | :08:51. | |
nothing like as likely to happen... dangerous. The problem for David | :08:51. | :09:00. | |
Cameron is twofold. One, if Ed Miliband says he's going to support | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
Adam Afriyie, it will go through. Unlikely that Ed Miliband would | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
Adam Afriyie, it will go through. that, but what he might do is say to | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
his MPs, ignore this. It may well be significant number of Labour MPs do | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
not turn up, and then what you have Conservative backbenchers, and in | :09:16. | :09:22. | |
that war you might well find that through, and then the Prime Minister | :09:22. | :09:28. | |
has real trouble, because Adam Afriyie says, the Prime Minister | :09:28. | :09:36. | |
membership, up what basis and with which mandate? He would not be able | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
to get agreement with Nick Clegg or Ed Miliband, so you would be looking | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
think he is a Labour mole, that Ed Miliband, so you would be looking | :09:41. | :09:49. | |
what I have come to, a Daily Mail style conspiracy theory, it could | :09:49. | :09:50. | |
not be more perfect. The prospect of style conspiracy theory, it could | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
a referendum on the EU at the same time as Scottish independence is | :09:55. | :10:02. | |
has told us he could not sleep at conscience. We could send him some | :10:02. | :10:09. | |
pills, I suppose. We know he's going to sack all those lieutenants were | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
going around and saying he is the great future and the next leader of | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
the Conservative Party. He denied doing that! He would be amazed to | :10:16. | :10:22. | |
hear you say that, this is a crisis conversations in corridors, quite an | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
operation to get letters into Graham Brady, he said to have letters, | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
operation to get letters into Graham 46, but at the moment this campaign | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
is being run by Lieutenant of Adam They are disaffected and not happy | :10:35. | :10:44. | |
under David Cameron's leadership. There is a whole army of them! I am | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
pleased he has outmanoeuvred the awkward squad, and now James Wharton | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
is saying, you're going to kill awkward squad, and now James Wharton | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
bill. I do not think they are very competence lieutenants. The main | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
episode is it will unify a large Conservative Party behind David | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
Cameron. On what they hope is a settled position. We still hope | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
Cameron. On what they hope is a be talking to John Prescott, who is | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
in hole, if you see him, pointing in the direction of the BBC studios! Do | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
you want to buy a house? Can you afford the mortgage repayments but | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
not the 20% or 30% deposit the mortgage provider is demanding from | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
you? The Government says it has mortgage provider is demanding from | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
scheme designed for you which is in launching next week, help to buy, | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
re-emergence of 95% mortgages, remember them?! But is the policy | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
really good for home-buyers or the British economy? Here is Giles. | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
Never mind who lives in a house British economy? Here is Giles. | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
this, who can afford to buy a house these days? The Government would | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
this, who can afford to buy a house like many more people to be able to | :11:53. | :11:54. | |
without putting down a crippling like many more people to be able to | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
without putting down a crippling amount of money as a deposit, and in | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
the spirit of rights to buy, the government has launched help to | :11:59. | :12:04. | |
the spirit of rights to buy, the confusingly it is the name for two | :12:04. | :12:04. | |
been running since April. Help to government are bringing it in early. | :12:04. | :12:25. | |
Let's get in on the inside and take a good look around at what this | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
scheme actually has to offer. And why the Government thinks it really | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
works. Help to Buy 1 was an equity loan scheme. The idea, nice, is | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
works. Help to Buy 1 was an equity it was for new build only, up to a | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
value of £600,000. But it is Help to value of £600,000. But it is Help to | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
Buy 2 that everyone is looking into right now. It is for any property up | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
to a value, again, of £600,000. right now. It is for any property up | :12:51. | :12:58. | |
time the Government is guaranteeing that it will take on the first | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
losses should the home owner in that it will take on the first | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
future failed to make their mortgage payments. Don't worry about that, if | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
you are a buyer, you are going to be concerned about coming up with the | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
5% deposit and 95% mortgages will be available again in participating | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
banks and building societies. And a housing prime mover. You cannot | :13:18. | :13:27. | |
get training to 5% mortgage anymore, 90% even, so there are couples in | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
our country who have good jobs, decent incomes, they could afford | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
the mortgage payments but they failure in our banking market. So | :13:33. | :13:42. | |
Jonathan, but I guess for you this is not Homes Under The Hammer, but a | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
main impact of this scheme will is not Homes Under The Hammer, but a | :13:45. | :13:51. | |
to push up prices, who does that benefit? Mostly rich and all the | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
people who own their houses. Plus the banks, of course, because it is | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
a subsidy for them. Who loses? People who want to buy a house in | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
the future. Moreover, it is a bit odd that the Government says it | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
the future. Moreover, it is a bit not OK to borrow to finance schools | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
or roads, but it is fine for the effectively, in order to guarantee | :14:11. | :14:23. | |
housing market. 2.3 million? I do not think Help to Buy covers that. | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
But enter a would-be buyer, will they now be seeing a plethora of | :14:27. | :14:34. | |
help to buy mortgages? In a word, no. David Cameron has brought the | :14:34. | :14:41. | |
months, and banks were not ready at that stage. Two banks have committed | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
to fund the scheme, the Lloyds group and the RBS group, so lenders like | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
Halifax, RBS and NatWest. They will be doing the scheme, but even once | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
the scheme is up and running you are probably find 95% mortgages on the | :14:53. | :15:01. | |
high street because of the guarantee the government is offering. People | :15:01. | :15:10. | |
might say this is how we got into a mess in the first place. Why would | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
the government want to make those products available then now? It | :15:14. | :15:20. | |
the government want to make those more what investment banks were | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
doing in the background that caused performed extremely well through the | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
depths of the downturn. Is this performed extremely well through the | :15:28. | :15:35. | |
game changer? Yes, I have done my best to save over the last few years | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
but this has enabled me to make best to save over the last few years | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
first purchase. How frustrating best to save over the last few years | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
it just renting? Very frustrating, you are throwing away money hand | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
over fist, and now I can take that enthusiasm raises a question back at | :15:53. | :16:01. | |
the flat. If you are looking for a 95% mortgage, you don't really care | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
economy, you are thinking, great, I can buy a house. Yes, if I was a | :16:07. | :16:14. | |
house buyer or a bank, I would be pleased, but it will do longer term | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
economic damage. The tricky steps the government are trying to pull | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
off is that home-buyers might be so grateful for the opportunity to | :16:25. | :16:32. | |
off is that home-buyers might be so their own homes that they reward the | :16:32. | :16:32. | |
Government with the vote, while their own homes that they reward the | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
the same time the Government tries to sidestep consequences that such a | :16:35. | :16:52. | |
Now Conservative MP Margot James, and Allister Heath, editor of City | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
It is said by the critics that this scheme will cause a housing bubble. | :16:57. | :17:04. | |
Where is the evidence? House prices are more varied. Housing not just in | :17:04. | :17:18. | |
London remains overvalued and the problem with this scheme is that it | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
will pump up house prices, it will therefore houses will become even | :17:22. | :17:31. | |
more overvalued. That is a dangerous territory, last time it ended in | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
tears, and now the Government is taking on the risk of that policy. | :17:35. | :17:42. | |
What do you say to that? We have a real problem, it takes people on | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
average until they are 38 years real problem, it takes people on | :17:44. | :17:55. | |
property. The problem is not that they cannot afford it, but they | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
cannot afford the deposit. We have got to do something to allow people | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
to get their feet on the property ladder and I don't agree it will | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
cause a boom in house prices. It would if we were not building any | :18:08. | :18:23. | |
have had a record this year, 12 months to right now, the record | :18:23. | :18:34. | |
have had a record this year, 12 the last ten years. These are not | :18:34. | :18:34. | |
the statistics I have seen, but the last ten years. These are not | :18:34. | :18:41. | |
new supply is coming up. It is starting to creep up. We don't see | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
enough house building, need to build more houses and that is a solution | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
to this problem. You are right, people cannot afford to buy homes | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
and the reason is there are not enough good quality homes in the | :18:54. | :19:00. | |
deposits are so high is because secondly the Government has passed | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
laws to make the banking system secondly the Government has passed | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
prudent, telling them to put more wrong. Now suddenly the Government | :19:08. | :19:16. | |
is not happy with the outcome of its own rules and is trying to create | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
these subsidies to circumvent the rules it has put in place. It is not | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
a subsidy. Don't forget banks have to pay a charge in order to take | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
part in this loan scheme and that the... You are guaranteeing the | :19:32. | :19:39. | |
money. Yes, but the fear is worked out on a commercial basis. The | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
taxpayer is protected. Why? You out on a commercial basis. The | :19:42. | :19:49. | |
guaranteeing £12 billion worth of mortgages per year. Yes but the | :19:49. | :19:55. | |
change in the whole mortgage basis has been made a few years ago in | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
response of the crash. They made the distressed test on people applying | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
for mortgages much higher and you twice... So it will not be like | :20:03. | :20:13. | |
these self certification mortgages handed out in America that caused | :20:13. | :20:20. | |
the sub-prime crisis? Pigment bit like that but the banks are rightly | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
asking for bigger deposits, they know there is a big chance house | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
prices could fall if interest rates eventually, so they are demanding | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
bigger deposits. The Government eventually, so they are demanding | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
circumventing this is being passed eventually, so they are demanding | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
on to the taxpayers which is why it is a dangerous policy. Instead they | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
should be massively accelerating Planning permission is much easier | :20:46. | :20:55. | |
to get now, we have seen a 49% increase in planning permission | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
to get now, we have seen a 49% a new building over the last year, a | :20:58. | :20:59. | |
huge increase. In the figures I a new building over the last year, a | :20:59. | :21:05. | |
recently, they showed new start a new building over the last year, a | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
the 12 months to the autumn were only about 110,000 which is the | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
figure you inherited, which was only about 110,000 which is the | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
an all-time low in 2010. New house built in the last quarter are third | :21:18. | :21:24. | |
up on the time last year. You have relaxation of planning laws and | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
up on the time last year. You have other policies the Government put | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
into effect last year to take effect and it is coming through now. I | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
agree, if we weren't building more houses, if the construction sector | :21:36. | :21:42. | |
advantage of the increased demand, there would be a risk. David Cameron | :21:42. | :21:49. | |
says you are snob and it is only snobs who dislike Help To Buy. They | :21:49. | :21:57. | |
don't have the bank of mum and dad, people like that will finally get on | :21:57. | :22:04. | |
the housing ladder. That is complete nonsense. We need a sustainable | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
housing market where there is a large amount of construction, like | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
in the 1930s for example, where large numbers of proper family homes | :22:12. | :22:19. | |
were being built for people. House prices were pushed down and people | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
could afford houses. You are now encouraging people to take out a 95% | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
mortgage, I thought that was a bad idea, so supposing interest rates go | :22:30. | :22:39. | |
struggle, and supposing house prices fall by more than 5%, I am now faced | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
with negative equity and soaring interest rates that I cannot afford. | :22:44. | :22:49. | |
95% mortgage, if you can afford interest rates that I cannot afford. | :22:49. | :22:55. | |
repayments, you will be fine. What happens when interest rates rise? | :22:55. | :23:01. | |
They have got to rise a lot before you get into trouble. People are | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
already affording rent which is you get into trouble. People are | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
lot higher than mortgage payments. You will not be able to get into | :23:09. | :23:16. | |
this scheme unless you can afford repayments double what they are | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
this scheme unless you can afford the moment. The Conservatives should | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
limelight last week but there was an unwelcome intruder in the shape | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
limelight last week but there was an row between Ed Miliband and the | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
Daily Mail. Just over a week ago the claiming that Ed Miliband's Father | :23:33. | :23:41. | |
Ralph hated Britain. They showed a picture of his father's gravestone | :23:41. | :23:48. | |
with the caption, grave socialist. They then removed the photo and | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
with the caption, grave socialist. Ed Miliband the right to reply on | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
printed an editorial alongside it saying they stood by every word | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
printed an editorial alongside it published an fair headline. It also | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
reporter had gate-crashed a private memorial service for Ed Miliband's | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
uncle in a London hospital, for which the paper has now apologised, | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
but Ed Miliband has called on the hard look at the way his papers | :24:15. | :24:24. | |
but Ed Miliband has called on the run. This comes a week before a | :24:24. | :24:31. | |
but Ed Miliband has called on the Joining us now from Hull, John | :24:31. | :24:31. | |
Prescott. Does this row between Joining us now from Hull, John | :24:31. | :24:43. | |
reinforce the case for tough, new certainly influences the opinion | :24:43. | :24:50. | |
about that but that is more of Paul Dacre's doing. Ed Miliband rang | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
about that but that is more of Paul while I was in Strasbourg making | :24:53. | :24:54. | |
sure my complaints were nothing while I was in Strasbourg making | :24:54. | :24:59. | |
do with press regulation and he while I was in Strasbourg making | :24:59. | :25:05. | |
right. This argument is not about politicians and media people, it is | :25:05. | :25:07. | |
about ordinary people that love politicians and media people, it is | :25:07. | :25:16. | |
and dealt with. All of these cases affected individual people and they | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
are the ones that need to have justice in this matter. Next week we | :25:21. | :25:27. | |
will be hearing whether the Privy Council will be reporting on the | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
proposal to replace it. Are you agreeing then that what the mail did | :25:33. | :25:49. | |
with its Miliband article was a matter of judgement? Yes, and the | :25:49. | :26:02. | |
with its Miliband article was a conclusion that the relationship | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
between the press, the police and politicians should be governed, | :26:05. | :26:13. | |
between the press, the police and proposal given by half the press | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
industry that that does not meet the Leveson requirement and I suspect | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
the Privy Council this week will have to reject that, and I hope | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
the Privy Council this week will will because it is not consistent | :26:26. | :26:28. | |
with the Leveson report which the Prime Minister said he supported. | :26:28. | :26:34. | |
You attacked the mail in your column today but your paper went through | :26:34. | :26:41. | |
the Cameron family bins to see what nappies they used for their disabled | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
son. Isn't that far more offensive than what the Daily Mail wrote about | :26:45. | :26:47. | |
Ralph Miliband? It probably is, than what the Daily Mail wrote about | :26:47. | :26:56. | |
couldn't defend that. I have had Haven't we all? Yes, but we are | :26:56. | :27:09. | |
editors who acts unilaterally. Paul Dacre is running this thing in the | :27:09. | :27:23. | |
judgement and some accountability which the press have accepted the | :27:23. | :27:33. | |
old PCC is no good. They are playing for time because if they reject | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
old PCC is no good. They are playing this week there is 12 months until | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
you can consider a parliamentary alternative and then you are near | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
the election and you begin to bully the leaders. That is how they have | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
been successful in putting off recommendations. Maybe my memory is | :27:48. | :27:58. | |
fading but did you or anybody else in the Labour Party object to the | :27:58. | :28:04. | |
Sunday Mirror's behaviour? I didn't know about it. I would just say | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
Sunday Mirror's behaviour? I didn't is wrong if that is what they did. | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
As you said, you have the same position when they go through your | :28:11. | :28:17. | |
rubbish bins, I think that is wrong. We have Leveson set up by the Prime | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
Minister to look at the cultures and practices and the unilateral action | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
of editors and he came forward with Parliament under a compromise of the | :28:25. | :28:39. | |
frankly, but we have agreed to go frankly, but we have agreed to go | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
Government set up in charge at the same time rushed through the press | :28:44. | :28:51. | |
box? It looks like a fix, like they are using the Royal Charter as a | :28:51. | :28:59. | |
means of delaying everything. They have now said they are going to | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
introduce their own independent charter. This industry does not | :29:02. | :29:08. | |
introduce their own independent accountability. We know Alistair | :29:08. | :29:09. | |
Campbell and Ed Miliband's officers accountability. We know Alistair | :29:09. | :29:14. | |
are working closely on the assault of the Mail. What is the endgame for | :29:14. | :29:24. | |
this? Is it the head of Paul Dacre? He is not an acceptable character to | :29:24. | :29:36. | |
me, and he needs to be taking account. When Ed Miliband rang me it | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
was to say, don't let these arguments drift into press | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
regulation, he wanted the argument of decency. Are you and Ed Miliband | :29:44. | :29:58. | |
after Paul Dacre's head? No, he can stay there. It is like with Murdoch, | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
after Paul Dacre's head? No, he can we were not attacking him but what | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
is papers were doing. To that extent, what they are doing about | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
ordinary people, not just big politicians who can look after | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
themselves. We know, with the bad cases he had to deal with, they | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
might get libel action, which the press say, but they pretty well | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
destroyed their lives. That is about judgment. If you say, as Paul Dacre | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
got good judgment? I would say no, he will have to live with it. | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
Thank you for joining us, he did not even have to go to the BBC studios, | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
we sent a truck there for him. What is the endgame in this? Whether the | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
Labour Party is trying to make this an issue press regulation are not, | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
this is where it is going. We have the criminal trial involving Andy | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
Coulson coming up, the Privy Council discussing press radiation before | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
the end of the year, and the question is, what is political | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
impact? My hunch, it is an unfashionable view, is that the | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
total at yum elated political impact of the Leveson story over the past | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
several years, hacking and everything, is close to zero, | :31:02. | :31:09. | |
because most voters do not care, and those who do care believe that all | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
parties are roughly complicit in being too close to editors and | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
proprietors. You said that Adam Afriyie was a Labour mould, with a | :31:18. | :31:24. | |
smile. Is the Daily Mail also a Labour mole? This has been a dream | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
for Ed Miliband, I took on Murdoch, I am taking on the energy companies | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
and now the evil Daily Mail! I think... I should say I used to work | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
for the Daily Mail, but when they printed the right of reply, they | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
surrounded it with a big two fingers up at Ed. If they had not done | :31:42. | :31:44. | |
surrounded it with a big two fingers that, they would not be in this | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
position. The poll in the Sunday Times this morning shows 72% think | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
the Daily Mail was wrong and backed Mr Miliband's demand for an apology. | :31:53. | :31:58. | |
If you come to define and your dad, people are naturally going to do | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
this, but it took all the coverage away from the Tory conference, the | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
media loves covering itself, here we are doing it again, this has been a | :32:05. | :32:12. | |
dream for Mr Miliband. The political significance of this is that David | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
Cameron said in the House of Commons that he wanted to try to find some | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
common ground between the three party Royal Charter and the | :32:18. | :32:24. | |
so-called press industry version. What the Daily Mail has done is | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
ensured that the Prime Minister is not going to be able to do that. | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
What is going to happen this week is that the press Royal Charter has to | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
be considered first, and that will probably be rejected. The Privy | :32:35. | :32:42. | |
Council will reject it. Then the three party Royal Charter will come | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
up, but meanwhile the press will set up their own regulatory body because | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
the Royal Charter is not a proper statutory underpinning, they will be | :32:51. | :32:52. | |
able to go ahead with that. There statutory underpinning, they will be | :32:52. | :32:57. | |
will be the legal basis for the oversight of the oversight body, and | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
it will basically just be an ambassador that will not be | :33:01. | :33:07. | |
resolved. As you say, no-one much cares about this outside of the | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
profession and a few media watchers. But this has been great politics for | :33:10. | :33:18. | |
Ed Miliband. It is only great politics if he scores a great | :33:18. | :33:25. | |
victory. I take your view that people are cynical about it. But the | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
narrative is, I am the chap who stands up to vested interests. But | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
all those vested interests are people that you would expect a | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
left-wing politician to want to take on. It is also more significant | :33:36. | :33:45. | |
about who he has stood up for, and the person he has studied for is his | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
father. Maybe people thought of him as a Marxist, now they think of him | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
as war hero. He gets to the crux of matters, you know! You are watching | :33:54. | :34:00. | |
the Sunday Politics. Coming up in just over 20 minutes, I will be | :34:00. | :34:01. | |
speaking to Godfrey Hello, I'm Martyn Oates. | :34:02. | :34:19. | |
Coming up on the Sunday Politics in the South West: | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
The councils being told to stop using parking charges as a cash cow. | :34:22. | :34:28. | |
And for the next 20 minutes I'm joined by Adrian Sanders, the | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
Liberal Democrat MP for Torbay and Councillor Richard Westlake, leader | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
of the Labour group on Devon County Council. | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
Welcome. This week it emerged that Devon and | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
Cornwall's Police and Crime Commissioner is spending 12% more | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
on his staff than the old Police Authority. Meanwhile, a former | :34:43. | :34:50. | |
Conservative leader of Devon County Council said introducing Police | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
Commissioners was a mistake. I was chairman of the Devon and Cornwall | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
police authority and it worked extremely well. I can't think that | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
Policing has improved one iota since the commissioners were | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
appointed. The commissioners are alien to our system in Devon and | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
Cornwall. It emanated in not —— it emanated in America and we were far | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
better as we were. If you have senior Tories | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
criticising the existence of Police And Crime Commissioner has, it has | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
come to something. Were we better the way we work? I think we were. | :35:24. | :35:30. | |
Simon Day should be listened to. He has years of public service to the | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
people of Devon and the south—west and he knows what he is talking | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
about. I think he is right. This new system was supposed to make | :35:39. | :35:46. | |
them more accountable to the public and the public are having to pay | :35:46. | :35:55. | |
more for less police. Part of making the police more visible and | :35:55. | :36:01. | |
consulting nor is one of the reasons for having this. I think | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
the police authority did its fair share of consulting in the past. I | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
don't think it is justified at a time of austerity when we are | :36:10. | :36:18. | |
having bobbies taken off the beat. The most important thing is | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
operational capacity. If you need more people in the backroom been | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
clearly this experiment is not working. Labour was not a fan of | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
the police commissioners, should you be committed to getting rid of | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
them if you why elected after the next general election? We should | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
certainly have a look at it. The election cost £100 million which | :36:37. | :36:43. | |
everyone agrees was a fiasco. Really we are not seeing yet what | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
we were told we were going to get on the tin. It is very important | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
that we have to look at this. The whole problem is that if you want | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
to change things and you change it again, then you always have a cost. | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
That is a real worry. What people are telling me and I am sure they | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
are saying the same to Adrian is we want to see police on our streets, | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
looking after us, walking the streets and fighting crime. That is | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
what they are talking about. The other area they are concerned about | :37:12. | :37:19. | |
his PCF those who do a fantastic job. PCF sos they give so much to | :37:19. | :37:30. | |
the community and that thing that is so important. | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
The Prime Minister has announced that the government is bringing | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
forward the second phase of its Help To Buy housing scheme. But | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
with tens of thousands of people on waiting lists for affordable homes | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
in the region, campaigners say much more radical action is needed to | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
tackle the housing crisis. Tamsin Melville reports. | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
If a first—time buyer was buying that, whereas before they would | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
need... Business has been picking up for this estate agent recently | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
but he is not sure that the Government subsidising mortgages is | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
the answer took housing issues. The main problem we have with house | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
prices in Cornwall as a we are in a small and popular and sought—after | :38:04. | :38:08. | |
geographical area and what we need is more properties built. The Help | :38:08. | :38:14. | |
To Buy scheme was announced in this year's budget. It allows homeowners | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
with a small deposit to get a 95% mortgage. It is backed by a | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
government guarantee and will now be available on new and existing | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
properties in England, worth up to £600,000. As prime minister I am | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
not going to stand back while people's aspirations to get on the | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
housing ladder and own their own home is been trashed, that is why | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
we need to act. Critics say would not enough houses to go round the | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
Government's strategy to help buyers could fuel a housing bubble. | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
This development near Falmouth is under way but in Cornwall alone | :38:47. | :38:52. | |
there are nearly 13,000 homes with planning permission that remain | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
unfilled. With recent reports the south—west is alone in seeing a | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
fall in new build, some argue their needs to be a radical change in | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
thinking. There are plenty of plots, if you like, with planning | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
permission that simply do not go ahead because we have managed to | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
confuse social housing on the one hand with market housing on the | :39:13. | :39:18. | |
other. In my view it would be much better to separate them completely | :39:18. | :39:24. | |
so that affordable housing for rent and shared ownership is one thing | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
and market housing is something different. He believes there is | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
nothing standing in the way of local communities having the homes | :39:32. | :39:37. | |
at prices they can afford. It should be financed by a combination | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
of the Local Enterprise Partnership and local authority pension funds. | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
There is no need for any more government grants and no need for | :39:45. | :39:52. | |
any more public spending. Those who lead the local enterprise | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
partnerships say it is not that simple. They are not all things to | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
everything. We will have a small amount of money to invest but it | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
needs to be strategically invested to get the best value for money | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
that we could possibly have. Throwing all of that at an area of | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
market failure such as affordable housing is not the answer to our | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
budgets. Here there has not been much interested help to buy so far | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
but with a long—term housing solution seemingly a long way off, | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
there are hopes it could get the market on track. | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
Tamsin Melville reporting and Cornwall Conservative MP George | :40:25. | :40:31. | |
Eustice joins us to discuss. Welcome to the programme. Figures | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
from the National House Building Council show that new builds in | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
Cornwall are static or in decline. That is against the background of | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
20% increase across the country last year. It is pretty poor and | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
pretty worrying, isn't it? The Government has a number of policies | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
to increase housebuilding and we have a home shortage and we have | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
people who are unable to get a home of their own. The new homes Bonas | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
has been quite important to encourage local authorities to take | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
the right approach. When we do read —— when we do new—build we should | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
focus on brownfield sites first rather than green field sites like | :41:09. | :41:15. | |
my conserve —— constituency. Would you accept Labour's recitation that | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
you have got the balance wrong with the emphasis you are placing on | :41:19. | :41:25. | |
building rather than facilitating people buying existing houses? We | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
have got the balance right. These figures do not suggest it. We | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
abolish the regional spacial strategies that Labour had that | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
were putting unsustainable housing targets on Cornwall. In my own | :41:36. | :41:42. | |
patch we have plans to build 11,000 houses when there is only 8,000 now | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
and we scrapped the targets and told the local authority was up to | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
them to decide what they needed and they have halved the housing target. | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
We have got it right in terms of planning. We should support people | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
when it comes to buying their new home. One I bought my first flat 10 | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
years ago 95% mortgages were normal. It was easy to buy a flat. The did | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
not have to have huge savings. The reality now with that unless you | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
are very wealthy or you have wealthy parents, you are denied the | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
opportunity to own your own home. That cannot be right and we have to | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
support people and help them by making these 95% mortgages which | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
used to be normal available to young people now. Labour makes | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
great play of the fact we are building fewer houses now since the | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
1920s. I have looked into the figures and it appears to be true. | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
The problem is the advice is coming from you in a Labour when | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
housebuilding flat line when you were in government as well. Why do | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
you have the solution now? It is quite important to realise that we | :42:43. | :42:49. | |
do need to have affordable housing. I will say that in terms of council | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
housing we came to this very late and it was at the end of the Labour | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
government that we actually started to see an increase in have —— in a | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
council house building. We have seen in the last three or four | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
years a complete shutdown in some ways because of all the problems we | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
have had with planning regulations and the change in the spatial | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
strategy so we are not seeing... You think has a housing is the way | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
forward? It is true that government facilitated small house will —— | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
some small amount of council house building. You can I have complete, | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
you have got to have a mixture. For councils to have the opportunity | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
for them to develop especially affordable housing which is the key. | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
What we are seeing now is young couples who cannot get on to the | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
housing ladder. What they do do, however, is they are paying rent | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
that is far more than what a mortgage would have been. That is a | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
real problem. Should we build more council housing? We should set the | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
build more affordable housing, more rented accommodation. We are | :43:51. | :43:56. | |
talking about regulated rent, secured Tennessee housing. If we | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
could change the laws on private rented, we could open up the market | :44:00. | :44:07. | |
where people can rent on seven—year or 14 year agreements and that is | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
not something we have here. The private sector could be used to | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
build some of that. The important thing, and I despair when I hear | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
the chairman of the early be not recognising the importance of | :44:18. | :44:20. | |
affordable housing, of keeping skilled people in our labour market | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
and attracting people in to invest in the area. Instead they move away | :44:25. | :44:32. | |
and that is no good for our economy. The LEP has other responsibilities | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
and this discussion has demonstrated that it is pretty | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
complex. Most people I have discussed it with have said there | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
is no one solution and the exception to that seems to be one | :44:42. | :44:47. | |
person who thinks there is. Anything that offers a solution | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
needs to be investigated. We get caught up in a numbers game. It is | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
about meeting local housing need. We are in a high property price | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
area with lower than average wages. We need more affordable housing | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
than would otherwise be the case. Leaving it up to the market I am | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
afraid has put us in the position we are in at the moment. Just | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
bringing George back. On this silver bullet. A I remember | :45:13. | :45:18. | |
discussing this with him about two years ago when he was the first | :45:18. | :45:24. | |
chairman we had a of the MEP for a brief period. It is an interesting | :45:24. | :45:29. | |
idea. What he was saying was let us not chuck public money at this but | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
have their Local Enterprise Partnership facilitator Newmarket | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
way you might get pension funds who are fearful of where they are going | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
to invest their money in a credit crunch, get them to invest in large | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
housing estates where they can have a guaranteed income over a period | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
of time and er thing that is an interesting idea and others have | :45:47. | :45:52. | |
also mentioned this. I think there is scope for this. It is a shame | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
that the Local Enterprise Partnership did not recognise the | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
benefit and the importance of housing to the Cornish economy of. | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
The business community were reluctant to get involved in this | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
because they did not understand the relevance of it but if you are a | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
construction company or a plant hire company that having a vibrant | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
construction industry is important. Thank you very much, we have to | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
leave that there. This week there was more talk about | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
putting up council tax in Cornwall. Cash—strapped authorities have few | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
other options for raising revenue. And one which the Government now | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
says they shouldn't be abusing is parking charges. John Henderson | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
reports. Paying for parking is right up | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
there with the things we love to hate. I see it as a tax on | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
motorists. The impact that it is happening on our local communities | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
I think it is having a detrimental effect. Generally it is ridiculous. | :46:42. | :46:47. | |
It is too dear. If I want to go and pick up a newspaper it costs me a | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
pound to park. Some news from Liskeard. They could be from any | :46:51. | :46:57. | |
car park in the region. It is not cheap to park here, £1 for up to | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
two hours and if you have a £2 coin then there is no change. Perhaps it | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
is one of the reasons why Cornwall council is making eye—watering | :47:06. | :47:12. | |
amounts from its car parks. Eye— watering equals just under £800, | :47:12. | :47:16. | |
put in Cornwall in the top 10 nationally when it comes to profits | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
from car parks. Regionally Cornwallis way out in front. Exeter | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
and Torbay make half as much but are still pretty flush. Others are | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
not doing too badly either, even those near the bottom are making a | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
profit and those riches have not gone unnoticed. What this is about | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
is it is about raking in pretty large sums of money to fill the | :47:37. | :47:43. | |
council coffers. The law is pretty clear. It says there you are not | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
allowed to do that. Cornwall council has said without the | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
largesse from its car parks it would have to cut services and | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
raise council tax. Yes, we are in the top 10 and they don't think it | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
is a surprise. The money we get from parking of course helps us to | :47:59. | :48:04. | |
maintain our car parks and our roads and Allestree lives, our | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
hedges and all the services that people of Cornwall rely on. We do | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
make a surplus and it is put to good use otherwise we would have to | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
find the money from somewhere else. It is a similar story in Torbay | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
where the council openly admits it is trying to maximise income at a | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
time when budgets are tied. Latest figures show the car parts raise | :48:25. | :48:31. | |
£3.7 million a year. Officers say any surpluses put back into the | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
council's overall budget and can be used in the same way as council tax | :48:34. | :48:39. | |
income. They introduced parking meters in 2009 and they bring in | :48:39. | :48:44. | |
over £1 million a year, money it is using to help pay for pension a bus | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
travel. The rules regarding on— street parking revenue are less | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
flexible and some councils have found themselves in trouble. We saw | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
in the High Court a few months ago that Barnet council was found to | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
have acted illegally by setting parking charges not to manage | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
congestion or cover their parking costs but to raise general revenue. | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
We have every sympathy with cash— strapped councils but we have no | :49:08. | :49:11. | |
sympathy with them if they think they can essentially tax motorists | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
to make up the shortfall. Putting up parking charges is tempting for | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
councils, partly because it appears so easy compared to raising council | :49:20. | :49:26. | |
tax. But there are risks. With the government promising to get tough | :49:26. | :49:29. | |
and the public suspicious about where all the money goes. | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
John Henderson reporting. Earlier I spoke the the Local Government | :49:34. | :49:36. | |
Minister Brandon Lewis and asked him for the Government's message to | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
councils like Torbay and Cornwall which openly admit they're using | :49:39. | :49:45. | |
parking charges as a revenue stream. What we say to them is you have to | :49:45. | :49:48. | |
look really carefully at how you develop your area in the future. | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
First the you should not be making profits from parking charges, that | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
is clear. Councils in the future are funded primarily through | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
business rates. We have changed the system this year so any growth in | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
business rates goes back to the district councils directly and a | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
benefit with every little bit of growth. To see a town—centre grow | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
and see business rates grow, we need to see retail rates in the | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
High Street grow. We need to get more people into the High Street | :50:15. | :50:18. | |
and the town centres and parking charges can be a disincentive to | :50:18. | :50:23. | |
put people off coming year. We want people in the town centres and | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
councils should one people there. The best way to do that is to have | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
really good, sensible, attractive parking policies. Actually this is | :50:31. | :50:36. | |
a lot more carrot and stick. Eric Pickles says you should stop doing | :50:36. | :50:39. | |
it because it is bad per se, but this is rather a different argument, | :50:39. | :50:44. | |
this is an incentive. Absolutely, it is both. It is absolutely an | :50:44. | :50:49. | |
incentive. Get more people endure Townsend and your high streets and | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
that will attract more people to your shops which is more money for | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
the council. He declared council should not overcharge for parking | :50:55. | :51:00. | |
charges. That is not what they are about. And they are there to make | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
sure people park sensibly and reasonably. He it is not really | :51:04. | :51:06. | |
what people should be doing but there is nothing to do to stop it | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
other than offering an incentive. We offer an incentive and we are | :51:10. | :51:13. | |
making it clear to councils that we are looking closely at it. We want | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
to make sure that high streets and town centres are attractive places | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
for people and parking charges are part of that. Do you accept the | :51:21. | :51:26. | |
councils are saying that we have throws and council tax, as we have | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
been asked to do and we need to get the money somewhere. If we stop | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
making this money from parking we must put council tax up. The best | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
way for councils to see an increase in their income is an increase in | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
business rates. An increase in business rates comes from more | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
business is doing better and be more successful in the High Street | :51:44. | :51:48. | |
and the town centres. I come back to the secular but positive | :51:48. | :51:52. | |
argument. That means week or more people in town centres and high | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
streets and the easiest way to attract them is have a good offer | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
and a huge part of that is an attractive parking policy. Just to | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
be clear, you accept that councils need to be persuaded by this | :52:02. | :52:06. | |
initial incentive rather than being forced by government. We have been | :52:06. | :52:11. | |
clear to councils that they should not use the parking charges to will | :52:11. | :52:15. | |
raise charges. But effectively they are. They should not be doing that. | :52:15. | :52:20. | |
The law allows them to so clearly they will have their finances are | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
tight. Actually the law is really clear. Parking charges are not | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
supposed be a punitive tax and parking notices are not supposed to | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
be a punitive tax. But the law says if the council brazenly uses ate | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
they are on the wrong side of the law but if they say they have a car | :52:38. | :52:43. | |
park which is self— financing and they have a large surplus the | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
making do what they like with the money, so they are likely to do | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
that. That is where councils will lose out because shoppers will not | :52:49. | :52:54. | |
go into town centres. But you cannot legally stop them doing it? | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
The ultimate issue is about whether people are in the town centres. If | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
they are not then councils lose out because they look shops and | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
business rates and none of us want to say that. They should want to | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
attract people into the town centres with good, attractive | :53:08. | :53:11. | |
sensible parking structures. Thank you very much. | :53:11. | :53:18. | |
Adrian, are you with the the government and the motorist or the | :53:18. | :53:24. | |
council's? I am with keeping vibrant town centres. If Torbay is | :53:24. | :53:29. | |
now getting £1 million from the parking meters they put in, that is | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
£1 million that is not going into shop tills. If I was running the | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
council then I am not sure if I would be able to do anything | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
differently because of being a cash—strapped unitary authority. | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
This is quite a complex issue. If you have a town or parish council | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
that set the precept and it can be spent directly on whatever you want | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
which is why you find car—parking charges are not a cash cow in those | :53:54. | :53:59. | |
areas. If you are a unit tree you have statutory duties so you have | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
to pay for them and what goes over goes towards things like parking | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
and gardens and all the rest of it and the only thing you really | :54:05. | :54:10. | |
control income wise beyond your council tax is car parking charges. | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
Richard, you obviously do not write council but you sit on a council | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
and are involved in these decisions. Well, the off—street parking is a | :54:18. | :54:24. | |
city council in Exeter and the on— street is the county council. | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
Yesterday I was reading through some papers and I noticed that it | :54:28. | :54:36. | |
was about to perform million pounds —— £2.4 million. That we have in | :54:36. | :54:43. | |
parking charges. The problem that Eric Pickles did not say was over | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
the last four years we have had £100 million taken out of our | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
budget and now we have been told we have another £100 million being | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
taken out of our budget so it is balancing how we actually maintain | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
enforcement and maintain our roads and structure and them worry I have | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
is the fact that we are not going to be able to do those things in | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
future. That was another issue we did not get time to get round | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
Now our regular round—up of the political week in 60 seconds. | :55:10. | :55:18. | |
Confirmation that the region is to lose all of its direct flights to | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
London is met with dismay by businesses. I cannot say that I can | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
support further growth within Cornwall at this stage. Meanwhile | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
train passengers to the capital will continue to travel courtesy of | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
First Great Western for the next two years. No problem with First | :55:35. | :55:39. | |
Great Western, it is the agreement with the Government and the lack of | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
any investment in Bristol and the next three years. Buses, roads, | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
libraries and support for vulnerable people are all in the | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
firing line in Cornwall at the Council reveals next year's draft | :55:49. | :55:54. | |
budget. In Devon day—care centres face closure. For those people who | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
need the kind of care that only day centres can offer and a respite for | :55:59. | :56:06. | |
carers, they are essential. And councils across the region asked to | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
stop employing staff on zero hours contracts. I really do feel we | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
ought to stop it and make sure that people have fixed—term contracts on | :56:15. | :56:22. | |
decent wages. So, Adrian, broadly, more bad news | :56:22. | :56:28. | |
for the transport sector. It is a problem for us being on the | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
periphery of the United Kingdom and is vital to have good transport | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
links. The three ingredients of success are a skilled workforce, | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
affordable housing and good transport links. Richard, Exeter is | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
a little better served than the rest of the region but still it is | :56:42. | :56:49. | |
an issue. It is a very serious issue. With First Great Western, | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
the announcement of the 20 three— month extension, but however, that | :56:52. | :56:59. | |
23 months are in limbo and we need to know what is going to happen and | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
we need to see investment in our railways. Thank you very | :57:02. | :57:04. | |
we need to see investment in our We are getting into a discussion of | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
more affordable homes needed, but we have no time. Andrew, back to you. | :57:08. | :57:17. | |
Our next guest is no stranger to controversy, a former UKIP MEP he | :57:17. | :57:22. | |
recently lost his party's whip after a series of outbursts including | :57:22. | :57:44. | |
receiving aid as 'Bongo Bongo Land' and joking that a group of UKIP | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
women who didn't clean behind their fridges were 'sluts'. Now he sits in | :57:47. | :57:52. | |
independent but remains a UKIP party member. Here's a flavour of recent | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
events in the political life of Godfrey Bloom. How you can possibly | :57:55. | :58:10. | |
be giving £1 million a month... Bongo Bongo Land. I got 6000 e-mails | :58:10. | :58:16. | |
within 12 hours, only 47 were not agreeing with me so you are the | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
within 12 hours, only 47 were not that is out of touch. Everybody | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
knows me, a bit like the Marmite joke, they love me or they hate | :58:23. | :58:27. | |
knows me, a bit like the Marmite but I have always told me like it | :58:27. | :58:36. | |
is. I made a joke and said that women who did not clean behind the | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
French were sluts and everybody laughed along, including the women. | :58:40. | :58:46. | |
I have had hundreds of e-mails, saying, God Almighty, can't you | :58:46. | :58:51. | |
I have had hundreds of e-mails, a joke any more? I am long in the | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
correctness and I understand UKIP have moved on and they are doing | :58:54. | :59:07. | |
well, and I wish them well. This, with no black faces on it. You are | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
picking people out for the colour of with no black faces on it. You are | :59:10. | :59:17. | |
their skin? You disgust me! Perhaps the way they are doing things now is | :59:17. | :59:25. | |
disgrace me. We are joined now with a suitable distance between us by | :59:25. | :59:31. | |
the independent MEP for Yorkshire and the Humber, Godfrey Bloom. You | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
said this weekend that you have and the Humber, Godfrey Bloom. You | :59:35. | :59:40. | |
be a complete sociopath to be in politics, are you a sociopath? No, I | :59:40. | :59:50. | |
am just an ordinary bloke from the rugby club likes to tell it as it | :59:50. | :59:52. | |
is. I did not come into politics to rugby club likes to tell it as it | :59:52. | :59:56. | |
save my country from the clutches of the awful, evil... That is why I am | :59:56. | :00:03. | |
in politics, and that is why I member, and I will still be voting | :00:03. | :00:15. | |
ability... Do you accept that your conference? We were both born in | :00:15. | :00:21. | |
ability... Do you accept that your same year, we are too old to worry | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
about regrets. Let's look forward and see... Never mind the year I was | :00:25. | :00:31. | |
born, what is the answer to my country and intent to do the best I | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
independent for my country, and country and intent to do the best I | :00:35. | :00:43. | |
re-elected. They are the only game in town, the only party that will | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
get as out. Shouldn't you have been liability? You hijacked the party | :00:48. | :00:56. | |
conference. That is a matter of perception. We have heard nothing in | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
the last two years but it is a one-man band, a Nigel Farage party, | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
and I can make a joke at a fringe meeting and collapse the whole | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
thing. This doesn't say anything Andrew. It tells you about your | :01:09. | :01:19. | |
journalism - it is not about UKIP or me, it was the journalists' reaction | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
to a small joke at a meeting. And also Nigel Farage's reaction - is | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
myself, unless I had a commended. Personality, the most unbelievable | :01:30. | :01:43. | |
force of personality to collapse a party conference. Nigel Farage has | :01:43. | :01:56. | |
been a friend of mine for 20 years, and may I remind you that in June | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
and July UK was slipping in the polls, and when I made my statement | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
about overseas aid, we went back to liability, I never was, I am a vote | :02:06. | :02:14. | |
getter. As you know, there is a correlation, but let me show you | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
what Nigel Farage had to say about you on the BBC. Let's blunder clip | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
of that. We are not here to win friends amongst the liberal elite, | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
and Godfrey's problem was that he manifesto. Don't you need to reflect | :02:30. | :02:39. | |
that you are too outrageous, too politically incorrect even for UKIP? | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
Well, you see, to a certain extent I politically incorrect even for UKIP? | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
have been gagged on other subjects. I am a libertarian, I wanted to | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
have been gagged on other subjects. about flat tax. I thought David | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
Aronowitz wrote a very good piece in the times on drugs, and I have been | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
gagged to speak about any of these things because they are not part of | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
it, so I tend to speak about other things. Maybe they have outgrown | :03:02. | :03:11. | |
machine, and they have to get rid of the Victor Meldrew wing. You might | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
have a point, but I am speaking the Victor Meldrew wing. You might | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
you from Hull, and if you look at Barnsley, and very recently in | :03:17. | :03:23. | |
Scarborough and Whitby in the buy legends, 25%, so how you see things | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
in the bubble, it is not like how we see it appear in Yorkshire. You | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
in the bubble, it is not like how we like the one who was sitting in | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
in the bubble, it is not like how we bubble! Is UKIP unravelling? Of | :03:35. | :03:35. | |
course it isn't, we are getting bubble! Is UKIP unravelling? Of | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
of the vote in by-elections, of course it is not. Boy, wouldn't | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
of the vote in by-elections, of main parties and the establishment | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
love to see that! But I am sorry, it is not happening. Will you stand as | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
an independence against UKIP in is not happening. Will you stand as | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
European elections? Almost certainly elections were next week, I could | :03:55. | :04:08. | |
do not think I will go that route. Will you stand as a UKIP candidate | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
again? We do not know, probably Will you stand as a UKIP candidate | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
but I shall certainly be trying Will you stand as a UKIP candidate | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
help UKIP as best I can. You both share a flat, I understand, in | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
Brussels, neither of you clean behind the fridge. Other than the | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
fact that the place is probably quite murky, you have got a chance | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
to talk to each other and get back into his good graces, haven't you? I | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
am sure we will be having a beer before the month is out. So Godfrey | :04:34. | :04:44. | |
take it? For those of you who were shrugged! Thank you very much for | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
joining. A great pleasure. I will have to move my own share, you do | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
not have the sea Jeremy Paxman doing that! Nobody votes for UKIP because | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
they think they are a smooth, slick, absence of PR polish is the reason | :05:00. | :05:07. | |
for their popularity, so these are skirmishes are not a problem, and | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
more than that, Godfrey Bloom does make Nigel Farage look better. Even | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
in that clip from Andrew Marr, he juxtaposition with someone like | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
Godfrey Bloom than he has done before. I mean, he did hijacked | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
Godfrey Bloom than he has done conference, it was a disaster, they | :05:25. | :05:26. | |
got tonnes of publicity but not conference, it was a disaster, they | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
kind they wanted. But you have to journalists. I thought he was sexist | :05:29. | :05:37. | |
long before anyone else, he used to have an incredible page on his | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
website entitled Godfrey Bloom: Misogynist, and the proof that he | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
photographed with a girls' rugby characters in politics. He does | :05:47. | :05:53. | |
photographed with a girls' rugby Nigel Farage look better, but is sin | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
was to say things you said before but to ruin the party conference. It | :05:55. | :06:02. | |
sounds like he is coming back. A beer in Brussels and he will be | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
sounds like he is coming back. A on the UKIP ticket. Sitting having a | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
beer in that built the Chechen, on the UKIP ticket. Sitting having a | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
sounds like it may be what the deal is that he comes back into UKIP | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
sounds like it may be what the deal does not stand as an MEP at the | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
European Parliamentary elections. -- in that built the kitchen. It is | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
right to say the electorate are sophisticated and they know what | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
this party is for, what characters Godfrey Bloom said for people to | :06:25. | :06:33. | |
electorate know what they go using UKIP four. They are using it as | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
electorate know what they go using vehicle to beat over the head the | :06:37. | :06:37. | |
three established parties. They vehicle to beat over the head the | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
probably do it in the European elections and give them first place. | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
The big question is what happens in problem that Nigel Farage was making | :06:44. | :06:56. | |
The big question is what happens in an Andrew Marr this morning is that | :06:56. | :06:56. | |
he wants to copy the tactics of an Andrew Marr this morning is that | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
he wants to copy the tactics of Paddy Ashdown, get elected and | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
councils, build up a Parliamentary base, and to do that you do need | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
Commons next week, and there is base, and to do that you do need | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
ministerial reshuffle on the cards, that is the rumour in Westminster. | :07:05. | :07:06. | |
David Cameron has spoken of the that is the rumour in Westminster. | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
David Cameron has spoken of the extraordinary talent pool of women | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
among his ministers, so could he bring more of them into the cabinet? | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
He was talking about it earlier bring more of them into the cabinet? | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
week. I think we are getting there in Britain, but we have a long way | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
businesses in Britain, there are not boardroom. If you look at politics | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
in Britain, there aren't nearly enough women around the Cabinet | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
table. So I think, in every walk of life, whether it is the judiciary, | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
whether it is politics, business, there is a lot further to go. Before | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
the last election, we only had there is a lot further to go. Before | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
women Members of Parliament. We there is a lot further to go. Before | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
have around 50, so we have made there is a lot further to go. Before | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
big change, but it is still 50 out of 300, not nearly enough. So we | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to say, if you don't have women in | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to places, you're not just missing | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to missing out on a lot more than | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to of the talent, and I think she | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to probably has a point. The prime | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
need to do more. My wife likes to there going to be a reshuffle? I | :08:14. | :08:15. | |
think you are right to say there there going to be a reshuffle? I | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
will be a lot more women, they need to change the ratio of women to | :08:19. | :08:25. | |
will be a lot more women, they need called Dave who went to maudlin | :08:25. | :08:33. | |
college. So obviously they are not fishing in the biggest talent pool, | :08:33. | :08:43. | |
but there are numbers. Esther McVey has been selling a very difficult | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
brief in work and pensions, you could see people being given bigger | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
roles. Helen is pretty sure. We could see people being given bigger | :08:48. | :08:55. | |
told it is not a Cabinet level reshuffle me it is under Secretary | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
level, so maybe you could put Esther McVey into the Cabinet. Margot | :08:58. | :09:05. | |
James, who you had here not that long ago, she is very impressive. | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
What is impressive is that some long ago, she is very impressive. | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
like Andrea Leadsom, who is really impressive, worked in the City, | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
like Andrea Leadsom, who is really smart, really big on important | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
intervention, she should still be in there, but she fell out with George | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
Osborne when she dared to criticise him a few years ago over Ed Balls | :09:23. | :09:33. | |
you are doing it on talent, Andrea expectation, if he does not do this | :09:33. | :09:41. | |
now, a tonne of bricks will fall on him. He has got no excuse not to | :09:41. | :09:48. | |
promote women, because the 2010 intake was disproportionately female | :09:49. | :09:56. | |
in terms of talent. The question of the Tories and the struggle with | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
women voters is a very deep and historic one. You have to remember | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
that for most of the post-war period they had an advantage electorally | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
amongst women voters. Many times Conservative government without | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
amongst women voters. Many times women of this country. This began to | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
change in the mid-1990s, and the question is, why has that happened? | :10:14. | :10:21. | |
personalities at the top are now much more hostile to women, or less, | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
personalities at the top are now Brent doubled to female voters? | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
personalities at the top are now is such a deep historical trend | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
personalities at the top are now I do not think one reshuffle will | :10:29. | :10:35. | |
change it. -- or less competent civil. The English party conference | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
season is over, do you share the consensus view that Ed Miliband | :10:40. | :10:47. | |
season is over, do you share the out best of the three party leaders? | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
I think I probably do, but his overall approval ratings are still | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
minus 20, whereas Cameron's minus ten. And the more the recovery seems | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
minus 20, whereas Cameron's minus to take place, and some of the | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
latest figures are quite amazing, they certainly surprised me, you | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
wonder whether Labour's tactic is right to put all their eggs into the | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
living standards basket. I was looking at car sales, which are | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
booming. If people start to feel better, and they don't yet, but | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
booming. If people start to feel they were, it is tougher to go on | :11:22. | :11:30. | |
about living standards. George Osborne's... You have Ed Miliband | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
making a great thing about living standards, but then they say under | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
their breath, this is global forces, outstripping wage increases. And | :11:37. | :11:43. | |
you're absolutely right, as the economy improves, presumably that | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
will be dealt with, but Miliband's argument will be that there are | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
people suffering, and even if the economy recovers, they will still | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
forces, it is difficult to blame the government for that. Body being | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
noticed now, there is nothing worse for the leader of the opposition | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
than to be not noticed. -- but he is being noticed now. It seems that he | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
in many ways has set the political weather. Look at the number of | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
references to the Labour leader weather. Look at the number of | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
Mr Cameron's speech. And in Mr Obama's speech on a similar topic, | :12:18. | :12:25. | |
living standards. Was the mentioning Ed Miliband?! Oh, he was using the | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
same language, he has not gone that far. If I were Ed Miliband, I would | :12:31. | :12:37. | |
be more worried now, because Labour through the kitchen sink at their | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
conference. They came out with the biggest policy announcements they | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
could, compulsory apprenticeships, the energy freeze on prices, and it | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
generated a poll boost which has fizzled away within ten days. I | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
generated a poll boost which has not know where they go from here. | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
What is significant with Ed Miliband conference beaches, he has set the | :12:57. | :13:04. | |
one nation Britain, and the problem with those speeches is people say, | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
they are fine, they are academic, but what does it mean? What you | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
they are fine, they are academic, now is an intellectual framework | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
that translates into policies. The polls to watch are not the ones | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
after the conferences, but at the end of the month when it has also | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
pulled down. They will tell us where we are going. We will have to go | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
ourselves now. Thank you to our guests. The Daily Politics will | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
ourselves now. Thank you to our back tomorrow at noon on BBC Two, | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
and I will be back on BBC One this time, same time, next week. If it is | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
Sunday, it is the Sunday Politics. | :13:37. | :13:39. |